Is free speech bullshit?

>>127805896
Free anything is bullshit

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Should hate speech be banned?

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>>127805998
>free helicopter rides.

>>127805896
>Canada isn't any less free
>If Trump ran in Canada he'd be in jail!

>>127805896
>Michael Oman Reagan

lol that fuccboi removed all his pro-ANTIFA tweets after the Bikelock incident, but we all know he's been involved in ANTIFA violence in Portland. Scientist my ass, we comin for you boi.

>>127805896
>The American people elected Donald Trump, it's who they wanted.
>"He would have been arrested in Canada for hate speech!"
>This is supposed to be a positive.

>>127805896
If you're paying to use the internet, It's paid speech, not free speech.

>>127805896

do they give a blue check to any idiot these days?

the irony of him paraphrasing what trump said as "mexicans are rapists" and then saying there is zero value in protecting lies meant to rip apart human society is...ironic.

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>Canadians are not less free.

>>127805896
Opinions are bullshit

Cold hard facts aren't

>>127805896
>Canada is not less free.
HAHAHAHAHAHA No. we really are less free I fucking hate this commie hell hole god damn I hate muslims and trudeau FUCK

What fucktards get to define 'hate speech'? Fuck you and your thought police.

>>127806065
>lies meant to rip apart human society
>human society


Gotta love globalist dog whistles

>>127805896
>We should be more like canada

If I wanted to be like canada I'd sell myself to China.

>>127805896
the eternal Canadian

>>127805896
you have two choices:

>people are allowed to have opinions

>people are sent to jail for having opinions

which sounds better

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>>127806578
>human society

Oy vey, you believe sovereign nations should enforce their legal borders? Your hate speech is inciting violence and ripping apart human society, apologize!

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>>127806686
Onnnniiii-chaaaan that was a low blow!

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>freedom is not being able to say what you want
>borders restrict citizens freedom

This is an adult brain formulating these opinions and then typing them in a public forum for the world to see.

>>127805896
>I can say fewer things therefore I have more free speech

he should work for Trudeau

>is censorship the ultimate red pill?

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>I just had my entire family arrested for saying 'they have to go back'!

>>127805896
>Is free speech bullshit?
Only if you think slavery is freedom.

>>127805896
Liberals define anything they don't like as hate speech.

>>127805896
Yes, absolutely. It's the safety valve that makes burgers all talk and no action against their treacherous ruling class.

As a Canadian I can say we are 1000% less free. Your fee fee's do no matter people.

>>127806065
Yes but only if i get to decide what hate speech is.

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>Time for a little red progressive reeducation!

Report to your nearest forced diversity training camp or go directly to the work camp.

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>>127805896
>Having more freedoms makes you less free
>Building walls to keep people out turns you into a prison

You can't fix these people. They're willing to build a bizarro world in their heads and live in it rather than accept their ideas are unpopular in key states.

This isn't mental gymnastics, this is outright doublethink. Not even memeing, these people have crossed the point of no return.

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>>127808825
Having more freedom to restrict others does, in fact, make the people less free. Your line of argument is to distinguish between legislation and the effects of a market with strong de facto restrictions on who gets to produce and who gets to consume. It's pathetic how burgers fantasize about having the whip hand as if they ever would outside of vidya.

>>127805896
bullshit in that it doesnt really exist...unless your speaking against a conservative in which it absolutely exists.

>>127806065
>>127808641
Why is it liberals have this fundamental incapability to distinguish between illegal and legal immigration? Furthermore, when Trump talked about the illegals, many whom are rapists, why did liberals insist Trump was talking about all Mexican immigrants?

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>>127805896
>Canadians are not less free

>>127805896
The fact that you are asking that is retarded.

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>>127805896
>you'll have more free speech if you just let us ban your speech

>>127809381
It's only a pretended inability to distinguish. What they really want is an oversupply of cheap, docile, compliant labor. Liberalism doesn't work without people to write off as unworthy.

>>127809268
>more freedom to restrict others
What does this even mean? If I have the freedom to enslave you, then the universal freedom from slavery obviously doesn't exist. There are therefore less freedoms in this society. Less freedoms -> less free
You're thinking of 'freedoms' the wrong way. I suspect you're a proponent of positive rights, as well. Only people who've never tasted real freedom think like this, and it's truly sad.

>>127809268
>Having more freedom to restrict others does, in fact, make the people less free.
That's incorrect, retard. If they have the same "freedom to restrict" that I have, we're both the same amount of "free."

Go piss up a tree, leftist mongoloid.

>>127805896
Free speech exists to protect minority views.
When I say minority views I don't necessarily mean non-white, I mean unpopular views.
Being racist is currently unpopular and unfashionable and thus needs protection.

>>127809268

>Implying anything anybody says restricts others
>implying words have power besides those we give them
>implying words perform actions sua sponte
>implying you're not a weak-minded idiot

>>127805896

What is the point of free speech if it doesn't defend "hate speech"? Seriously, what other speech is it intended to protect then?

>>127806686
You can't. They already bought you.

It has to be preserved to stop the possibility of false flagging. You could easily shut down 4chan as a hate site by just throwing some Hitler around

>>127809811
>inb4 somebody mistakes a violent threat/call to action for protected speech

>>127809268

>strong de facto restrictions on who gets to produce and who gets to consume.

>It's pathetic how burgers fantasize about having the whip hand

marxist immigrant college student confirmed.

>>127806150
Kek

>>127808825
Mental defectives.
They can't even be reasoned with.

>>127809663
They have the same freedom at law, but they don't have the same effective freedom to do so. One who hasn't gotten enough gibs from the gubmint to employ people can't exactly exercise employment discrimination.
Suck on oligarch dick, you zit-faced Randite zealot.
>>127809811
I interpreted above anon was making the general case that only freedoms as written in the bible constitution matter, not the effective ability to exercise them.
>>127810015
Not an argument.

>>127805896

>Canada is not less free

>We will put politicians in jail for promoting policies different to what the incumbant governing party promote

Well...That's certainly Activated My Pistachios.

>>127805896
It is. Communists don't deserve free speech.

>>127806065

Can he name a single country with more free speech than the U.S. and a better health care system?

>>127810190
At least they put politicians in jail at all.

>>127805896
>We should do this because the dog fuckers are doing it! I MEAN LOOK, LOOK AT WHAT THE DOG FUCKERS ARE DOING, SUCH EXEMPLARS, SO PROGRESSIVE, LOOK!

>>127805896
Being able to express your political views without fear of persecution from the state is very important in order to maintain a non totalitarian regime, I admire Americans who are currently working to protect their free speech laws by opposing those that seek to destroy them.

>>127810166
>They have the same freedom at law, but they don't have the same effective freedom
OOOH! They don't have the same [bullshit term I just made up]!

What a great argument, you filthy retard. Seriously, kill your entire family, then yourself.

>>127809984

Good point, but misplaced here.

>>127810166
>One who hasn't gotten enough gibs from the gubmint to employ people
I'm sorry, what? This might be the most retarded thing I've ever read on /pol/. Explain to me how exactly you think the market economy works, because I think you've got some gaps that need filling.

>>127810459
3/10 too obviously wrong to respond

>>127810166

I know those are sentences, but I'm not sure they're actually statements conveying any meaning.

>>127810514
Don't corporations mean it when they say they need all these gibs from local communities to set up shop there? Or is that just cynically getting the communities to pay for their own jobs?

>>127806394

Also this.

>There are migrants from Mexico who rape

If stating this fact divides the country, then perhaps you need to address the root cause of the problem and not hope that suppressing facts makes the problem go away.

Someone needs to let this man know that science denial is not the answer.

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>>127805896
yeah it's total bullshit man
same goes for things like "liberty" and "justice" and "equality"
all that shit the slave owning "founding fathers" made up is stupid and we should just get rid of it desu

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>>127805896

>>127810349
>Free speech
No
>Better health care
Well even my country's healthcare is top tier and we get plenty of people coming here for cheaper healthcare. We have free government provided healthcare as well as private healthcare.

>>127805896
Why is this faggot pinging my radar today?

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>>127805896
>Canadians are not less free
>Contradicts that two posts later

>>127810792

Right.

But you don't have more free speech.

So his point is moot.

>>127809984
Honest question, America is based on the American Revolution, a "violent threat/call to action". So America cannot, logically, uniformly ban such speech, correct? It would be a matter proving it justified.

>>127805896
What was considered "hate propaganda" in Nazi Germany? Just curious.

>>127810738
I know this is a satirical post,
but treasonous faggots that actually believe this
need to fucking move or die.

>>127811103
Sure it can. Pulling up the ladder after the privileged make it over the wall is the very stuff America is made of.

>>127805896
free speech is an anglo concept and only really works amongst anglos themselves.

>>127810639
>everyone is either a worker or an employer
>all employers are megacorps
>all workers are being exploited

Did you know that over half of the USA's working populace work for small businesses with under 500 employees?
Did you know that over half again of these small businesses are home-based?
Did you know that these small businesses don't receive gibsmedats from government, government bleeds them dry with regulation?
Did you know the problem with corporatism is government intervention in the market, not individuals and corporations playing the game and creating growth?

>>127811125
he's right, the only people who were intended to have liberty justice and equality were other whites, and it should stay that way. non-whites are not going to extend you the same courtesy, so you either remove it from them first, or they will do it to you.

>>127805896

>Canada isn't less free
>use the incorrect pronoun or say something mean about Muslims, and you get arrested

Michael needs to be stabbed by the train defender of free speech.

>>127811103
I'd definitely argue that the revolution was in retaliation to overbearing violence on the part of the Crown. Not all violent calls to action are protected, but that doesn't mean none of them are. Violence is justified when it isn't aggressive.

>>127805896
>removing freedom is not removing freedom
>when you are free to express yourself, you are not free to express yourself
>>127806065
>free speech protects the majority who advocate hateful violence
>only the "alternative" right are upset about freedom of speech
>statistics and facts are racist
>tfw your entire argument are based on strawmen and contradictions

>>127805896

>I want to live in a free country but I don't want to be offended.

You're an idiot.

You are giving tremendous power to the state to protect your stupid feelings.

>>127810166

Are you high? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and thinking you're just high and not retarded. You don't actually understand what freedom or a market economy is do you?

You don't need gibs from the government. Just forgo luxury and save your money and make smart investments. Life isn't fair but you have the freedom to save money, freedom to invest money, and freedom to take financial risks

>>127811409
its not a race issue, and bring race into make it a weaker argument.
read the federalist papers and shit. It lays a good argument.

>>127811594
>but I don't want to be offended.
It's really just a strategy to exterminate whites, that's the actual impetus behind it. They're only offended because it allows whites to maintain some semblance of political power.

>>127810639

Corporate tax rates are extremely high. Corporations pay back more than they take out. It's called an investment

Become successful, start a company, grow it, if it's an economic benefit that'll boost the area you'll get tax breaks to produce there too. You're free to do so. You just have to acquire the resources which every one of those business owners (or their ancestors) did

>>127806150
>>127806188
>>127810190
Seriously who wrote this shit?

>"Canadians aren't less free just because we have hate speech laws!"
>"By the way, the man whose views are apparently shared by the majority of your population would be in jail before he even ran in our system."

Fucking tyrannical kikes.

>>127805896
Free speech IS cancerous

It gave rise to the cucks and racists who infest and burden society with their subhuman ways

Only a privileged intellectual elite should have free speech and total control over the lower classes

>>127811859
i just made an argument, so you can make a counterargument instead of telling me to go read something.

Countries where you can be imprisoned for saying something mean

China
North Korea
Canada
Britain
Germany

>>127811103

You can say we should revolt but actual sedition is different. Same way you can't incite a riot

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>>127811409
>he's right
well i was being blatantly ironic...

>>127812171
oh haha my bad, i thought the other guy was being serious

>>127806065
>people have more free speech without crushing healthcare debt
Penny for your thoughts, amirite?

>>127805896
What? Of course we're less free in Canada, this guy is full of shit.

>>127805896
Free speech exists, you can say whatever you wish, however consequences for your free speech is another thing, this is the part you aren't told about when you are having 'muh freedoms' drilled into you at an early age.

>>127809381

Does it matter in the long run though? I'd actually rather they DO conflate illegal and legal immigration, since it makes people oppose legal immigration instead of supporting illegal immigration.

Legal immigration is a much bigger demographic threat than illegal immigration is at present.

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>>127806892
In what universe are Germans who can't buy violent games buy guns say anything about the holocaust and get arrested for racist posts on Facebook more free than Americans? Because we can buy kinder eggs? These college liberals think of Europe as some multicultural utopia when in reality everyone here hates each other and segregates themselves

>>127805896
>>127806065
>Wah I can't debate someone when they are wrong
>Wah I don't like it when people say mean things
>Wah he shouldn't be allowed to say that
>Wah why can't I say this thing now
Because if you restrict a freedom you end up losing it yourself you dumb faggot. Its a consequence of living in such a free society and by the looks of it we been doing it the best and from that we have become the best. Get use to it or stick your head in the sand.

>>127812592
free means freedom from consequences or control

Why is the progressive left so tone deaf when in comes to free speech? I've never seen such a bunch of so-called enlightened intellectuals become so enraged over sarcasm, satire, and tasteless humor. They just silo all that shit under hate speech.

>>127811523
Was the violence of the Crown simply an attempt to put down a coalition of radicals and economic interests (wanting free trade and expansion westward) threating the Crown and its agents?
And is the government being controlled by a hostile, self interested, degenerate cabal out to oppose white interests and systematically replace whites, rise to the level of justified incitement?
I guess I'm just saying, it's a grey area.

(Not FBI. Stay prudent, stay in the realm of ideas and advocacy comrades).

>>127810639

Trust me, no one gives companies jack nor shit for setting up in certain locations, with the possible exception of nigger-owned businesses in certain states.

free speech == free covfefe

>>127806892
Fucking hell we aren't free here.
People are fucking fined when they say that islam is a barbaric religion

>>127812856
Because they are by and large intellectually dishonest and push their positions through propaganda and coercion.

>>127805896
"Free speech doesn't make you more free"

"If you tried to run for office with those ideas we will throw you in prison"

Wew lad.

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>>127805896
take the bluepill, UNLEARN RACISM

>>127811859
Constitutionalism is a White Anglo-American tribal value. It's absolutely a racial and cultural issue, and you're a fool if you think otherwise.

>>127805896
1.Canada's supreme court is encouraged, by whatever current controlling factions, into judicial activism. The court constantly makes decisions that contradict the previous courts decision on the same exact thing, especially free speech.

2.Canada is technically still a segregated nation. They have federal laws that define special class of people to be protected in some way and by that separated. Now this is linked to 1. During the early and mid 20th century jews were protected from certain speech acts, Today nobody cares about jews so much but muslims now have those protections.

3. However the only thing that has stayed consistence is the idea that private property has no space in free speech. That it is to say there are NO places in Canada where the government cannot judge a speech act of some kind. You can't even talk shit in your own home, in canada

Canada's freedom of speech sucks because it wishy washy all the time. It has no character and becomes a mcguffin for whatever hot topic in society. Because of this fickleness Canada is nation that rambles on. The people make no impact on the world, they say nothing because freedom of speech is meaningless to them, it's only serious when it suites them.

>>127813057

Sorry Finland. I could march the streets all day saying pretty much any fucking thing I want about any religion and nobody can do a goddamn thing about it. Gotta love that 1st Amendment. Maybe you need a revolution.

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>>127805896
We have way less freedom in Canada when it comes to free speech. Sure, for the most part when you're in your own home you're fine to say whatever, but if you ever say anything offensive in public, say in a grocery store or something, people will literally call the police on you and try to detain you, shit's fucked, and in many cases you'll end up serving prison time.

Few years ago a friend of mine was in an electronics store, he was trying to buy something on sale, I forget what, a computer part or a camera or something, and just as he's about to grab the last one off the shelf some black girl runs up full speed and grabs it, so he says "what the fuck? you stupid nigger" and she actually calls security, they detain him, won't let him leave the building, and call the cops. He pleaded not guilty but ended up serving 3 months in jail and 3 months community service. I'm deadly serious, calling someone a "stupid nigger" in Canada gets you 6 month sentence.

pic unrelated, is the equivalent of a US Senator in Canada.

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>>127805896
>free speech hurts my feelings

>>127809268
But I am not personally restricting immigrants from entering by living in a walled country. I don't have the freedom to do this, my sovereign country does and will if enough voters want it to.


And only the ones that actually gain legal entry matter. Illegals should be escorted out and have no freedom until they get repatriated

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>>127812650
>Legal immigration is a much bigger demographic threat than illegal immigration is at present.

Very true. We're undergoing demographic replacement via LEGAL immigration.

>>127813195

Then why does the entire world want to come to White Anglo-America? Either they want White Anglo-American constitutional freedoms, or they want to destroy White Anglo-American constitutional freedoms.

>>127805896 (OP)
Yeah yeah we know, you must protect the feels of jews and shitskins above everything else.

>>127813311
We do need a bloody revolution.
The god damn foreigners and traitors need to be removed.

>>127806065
fuck no.

>>127805896
Many people worry about what they say here in Canada... we really do not have free speech anymore :(

>>127805896
Honestly Canada should continue to exist only to serve America as a reminder of the consequences of liberalism

>>127814105

Kek...

How do you propose removing them without a revolution?

>>127806279
If they're on the left, yes. Twitter added a new algorithm to make verified users more important than non-verified and then gave out that status to everyone on the left in an attempt to make their views seem more dominant as their tweets rise to the top.

>>127815195
By fucking killing them.
I support the idea of a revolution

>>127815839

Sorry... I misread as "we don't". My bad.

>>127805896
>hate speech laws make you more free because Trump can't win if there are hate speech laws

Their entire world revolves around Trump, doesn't it?

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>>127805896

Not like we were warned about this bullshit decades ago or anything...

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The term hate speech makes me irrationally angry

>>127805896
What a faggot.
Is that against Canadian law?

>>127805896
We don't really have free speech in America.

>>127812870
The crown is forceful/aggressive by definition. Taxation is theft, etcetera. When your stuff is being stolen by your local community to fund things you can see and appreciate, you can kinda deal with it. When your stuff is being stolen by an entity that lies far across the sea to fund a war you don't even care about, that's another story.

>>127806065
>rapists are coming in through mexico
into
>mexicans are rapists
so who is doing the hate speech?

>>127805998
Stealing is technically free, paco

>>127817492

Uhh... Short of threatening or libeling someone, what are you prevented from saying?

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>>127805896
The solution to a very vocal super-minority demanding things entirely against the principles this nation was founded upon isn't too cave in but to tell them to fuck off. So, kindly, fuck off.

>>127805896
I feel less free

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>>127805896
It's not a leaf but ill be damned if it ain't a leaf thread

>>127805896
>>127806065

>There are laws restricting some speech in Canada — you know what? Canadians are not less free.
>People have less free speech in an environment where all speech is protected than they do in a place where it is restricted
>When someone says something offensive — there is ZERO value in protecting speech that can hurt feelings
>If I redefine "controlled speech" to mean "free speech" then I can make it seem like restrictions are liberties!

Remember goy, freedom is slavery.

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>>127809268
>restrict free speech to keep free speech from being restricted by free speech

>>127805896
>Justin From Canada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEritqrMSoM

>>127811111
check'd

>Hate propaganda.
>According to my personal morals.

Woah... I am spooked.

>>127805896
Hate Speech does not even exist: The definition is artificial and malleable.

>>127805896
I vaguely remember making some mocking memes about this guy. He must talk a lot of bullshit

>Canadians are not less free
>If Trump ran in Canada he would have been charged with a criminal act
>Canadians are less free