Even The Alt Right Left White Nationalism Behind

>>127793558
The alt-right is not a thing, it's a label made up by the lamestream media to try and neatly and nicely box something up that they couldn't actually comprehend. There is no "alt-right," and if you ask anyone to define it you're going to get a different answer every time. Just become some people adopted the monkier doesn't legitimize it either, because once again if you look at every person that labels themselves as alt-right, you're going to get a million different ideologies.

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>>127793996
1st post is the fucking best post, also
>>127793558
>alt-right leader Brett Stevens
Literally, fucking who?

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>>127794351
I think he means this guy

>>127793558
>Brett Stevens
Literally who? Anyway, it's true that some sort of white homogeneous empire spanning Europe and her white colonies is a fucking dumb idea. Sweden for the Swedes, fuck off.

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>>127793996
>The alt-right is not a thing, it's a label made up by the lamestream media

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>>127793996
>to try and neatly and nicely box something up that they couldn't actually comprehend

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>>127793996
This bullshit shareblue lie again....

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>>127793996
> There is no "alt-right," and if you ask anyone to define it you're going to get a different answer every time.

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>>127793996
>Just become some people adopted the monkier doesn't legitimize it either,

Brett is the biggest ethn-nat alive though, he just doesn't think white-nat is good because it's just an intra-white universalism.

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>>127793996
>because once again if you look at every person that labels themselves as alt-right, you're going to get a million different ideologies.
The bare minimum for being Alt-Right is:
>Being Jew-wise
>Being HDB-wise
>Being gender-wise

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>>127793558
>leftists still butthurt about the election!

THEY'RE GOING ALL OUT!!!

Fuck off back to tumblr, faggot OP.

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>>127793996
>see pic

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>>127793996

>>127793558

Alt-Right leader here

Ethnic nationalism is what we stand for, as well as individual freedom within that ethnic nationalism

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ethnic nationalism has been at the core the whole time.

>>127796249 >>127794351
Here is recognition of Amerika by /pol/:
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amerika.org/
Stevens was in this game for a long time.
>>127793558
Furthermore you're omitting the crux of Steven's argument: there is , Portuguese Nationalism, Scottish Nationalism, Irish Nationalism, English Nationalism, French Nationalism, Spanish Nationalism- even Castilian nationalism within that- Basque Nationalism, French Nationalism, German (and perhaps even Prussian) Nationalism, Austrian Nationalism, Polish Nationalism, etc. "White Nationalism" is inorganic. That doesn't exclude White brother cultures from working together to create wonderful things and societies, and to destroy their common enemies, but it doesn't mean we can and should create this artifice called the "White Nation";it cheapens the idea of the Nation.

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Reddit liberal faggot on board !!

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>>127796973
This. To him,bund identity> local community identity>ethnic identity>national identity>racial identity
>>127797719
Kek take my shitty OC.

>>127796677
take common filth off there and it will be perfect.

>>127793558
It's good for elections to neutralize the race baiting.

>>127793558
race is literally the only political issue that matters in todays political climate. whites arent just going to just keep viewing themselves as the only people without interests in todays world

>>127793558
It's not, it's the number one defense against Jewish subversion and anyone who says otherwise is a fool. How many times are you good Goys going to fall for the-

"Don't worry, Goy I-I mean guy. Civic Nationalism is the way to go! Surely your race doesn't matter". While he peppers non-whites into your group who will ultimately destroy your movement.

Americans btfo

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>>127798196
Fixed

>>127798537
>race is literally the only political issue that matters in todays political climate.
Stevens doesn't disagree.
>whites arent just going to just keep viewing themselves as the only people without interests in todays world
Stevens doesn't disagree.
The argument is that "White Nationalism" must be subjugated to more organic forms of Natioanlism, but we can continue to fight for our common interests just the same.

>retards it think Brett is defending race nationalism
He's saying you're wrong. Most of your nations have more than one ethnic group and therfore are not nations.

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>>127798537
>race is literally the only political issue that matters in todays political climate.
it really is, and that sucks. If we just lived in a fucking homogeneous high trust society we could discuss and work on actual issues instead of constantly having to deal with intrasocietal tribalism that is INHERENT to every single multiracial society that has ever existed.

>>127793558
It seems to only mean something to americans.
I want British nationalism, ie; only British people allowed to live/work/own property in Britain.

No black or brown people are British, so it would be whites only put not just any whites, just British people in Britain. Amazing that this is some kind of 'extreme' concept now.

>>127793996
To all the ones who did post in regards to this guys comment. We don't fucking care if you're movement exists, or not lots of people are against the Alt-right (Shitty movement with little to no traction, and continuously tries to legitimize itself here). Even those on the far-right, I think you're movement is stupid and a waste of time.

You're also all fucking pretentious douche bags, who keep spamming /pol/ with garbage threads like these. No one cares if you don't like White Nationalism or not. Fuck off and go suck Spencer's dick or something.

>>127799053
There is no one British ethnic group so you can't have nationalism.

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>>127793996
It does exist, it isn't an official movement or political party buts its a blanket term that combines all of the nu-right parties and groups. Libertarians have nothign in common with national socialists but lots of people come together which is why this blanket term has been created. While I think the idea of it is wrong it does in fact 'exist'.

The problem with the alt-right is that those involved in it have adopted this mindset of appealing to the lowest common denominator, and as a result they begin to stray from their ideals. You can't get a true redpilled thing going through the standard political system, but these retards believe it and this is why their ideals have degraded.

>>127799311
Britons are very homogeneous group, as are the Welsh and Scottish. The Irish may legitimately claim they have at least two nations between them.

>>127798938
I don't think he agrees with this watered down bs. Ethnic group is the only nation. Mutt people who have no such ethnic group heritage are just globalist by definition.

>>127799703
Yeah so the British are illegitimate until the release Scot and Welsh from the UK. Otherwise you're globalism.

>>127799624
>a blanket term that combines all of the nu-right parties and groups. Libertarians have nothign in common with national socialists
You don't seem to realize that a purge of sorts occurred over the past 2 years: Ancaps, especially of the non-Hoppean sort, have been axed, as have been Milo faglovers and the Alt-Lite sycophants, and autistic MGTOW/PUA/MRA types. Yes, it is still a blanket term, but we agree on far more than we disagree on, and out disagreements can largely be resolved with balkanization.

>>127800225
Yeah but the problem still persists, when you wanna involve normalfags then you end up degrading your ideology, and the same shit people warned you about for years has happened. There is a much larger movement of le MAGA hat wearing normalfag kekistanis then there are actual fascists and shit now.

Paco please fuck my daughters I'm a civic nationalist! Thank you my brother and also Sikhs are bro tier and based!

>>127799963
There is more to national identity than mere statehood. The Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth , for example, protected both Polish (and component, e.g. Silesian) and Lithuanian identities, while using the superstate to protect common interests.
>>127799828
I can fish for his articles, but his ideal form of nationalism comes in the form of the Norse settlers of Greenland: they practiced sustainable fishing, hunting, and foresting, and they acted largely as a unit.

>>127800590
Have you ever heard of the Paradox of Strong Religion? The religious sects which require more discipline get fewer followers, but the followers they do attract are more fervently attracted. Once cuck views on gender are broken, you cannot go back, and so on for race, and so on for Jews. Unlike wayward religious cults, though, we actually have a chance for amassing not only fervent comrades, but numerous as well. Why? This election cycle woke people up to the gaslighting by the media, politicians, and academia, how POC and the Left view them as enemies, and how their worldview has been built on lies to increase alienation. What does the Alt-Right offer? Truth and authenticity (for the most part).

>>127801454
But the problem is exactly that: It appeals to the election.

Democracy is entirely a farce that keeps real change from occuring, having a bunch of faggy millennial with some low tier redpilling is only going to get you another generation of slightly-more based cuckservatives. Sure you gain a few real redpilled people, but when the movement is muddied up with a bunch of people that won't fight for anything you get garbage. Any group that attempts to go through the mainstream political system will either not go anywhere or have its ideals corrode.

>>127793996

Alt-right was a common term in use for years before the election and the MSM touched it, you're an idiot and shouldn't talk about things you're ignorant of. No clue who this brett stephens fag is though.

>>127802113
>having a bunch of faggy millennial with some low tier redpilling is only going to get you another generation of slightly-more based cuckservatives
That's why there's the two-pronged approach. One prong is above-ground, and deals mostly with cucks and normalfags: protests, rallies, open ops, elections, redpilling, etc. This is to get slightly-more-based-conservatives. The other prong is below-ground, and deals with creating parallel institutions and our own communities- this is most heavily being done in Cascadia and Dixie in the US, Castilia in Spain, and the Vendee in France.

>>127802711
How do you plan on dealing with the significant difference in ideology between the mass of cuckservative racists and the actual redpilled lads in charge?

>>127799224

/pol/ falls under the umbrella that alt-right describes. it's not a club with memebers and leaders, it's just a general description of the marketplace of ideas in the new ethno-nationalist, far-right zeitgeist.

There are plenty of good reasons to not take on a name or identity with a specific ideology; it makes you easier to attack and classify. /pol/ has historically never identified as alt-right and never should. The terms that describe this amorphous rightist zeitgeist are going to change over time, and so will the movement.

But- if you genuinely think /pol/ isn't a part of what "alt-right" currently describes, you're delusional, like some leftists going "HEY DONT LABEL ME MAN, I'm not a COMMUNIST, I just believe in a global revolution of the proletariat seizing the means of production".

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Keep your eyes on the target. Everything else can be fixed later.

>>127793558
every time someone leaks a fast and furious sequel i die a little inside

>>127796714
truth.

>>127800957
>theres more to nation
No, as Brett said. The only nation is the ethnic group. So mixed people in America and Europe without one single lineage are not eligible for nationalism.

White nationalism is a failure because white is just a color and has no other connotation. European ethnic groups are real but too many mutt-bastard Americans and Eurostizos have lost theirs and want to replace it with commonwealth identities that aren't real. You can't form these commonwealths until you've formed their constituent nations.

>>127802174
Brett is at the leading edge of the alt-right. He's pretty much BTFO'ing the weak racial nationalism that is pervasive in the alt-right now that newcomers are fadding in.

His point should be well received by real ethnically homogeneous whites. But people who are half Anglo and half Swedish or half French and half German are just globalist fodder who can't into nationhood.

He's exposing the fundamental reason why the whole white preservation movement doesn't work and can't work. Because the majority of "whites," aren't ethnically pure and therefor aren't really white at all. They're just mutts who have no group.

I don't know what his solution is to the mutt problem but probably most of them will die out anyway since they have no natural community.

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>>127796996
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>>127796677

very good posts to bad idiots aren't even bothering to read.

Where did all the shills go? LOL

>>127805351
Not much to shill about here really. Brett is destroying the mutts here and nobody seems to understand it or argue against it.

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>>127793558
>The Alt Right Left
Wait, wouldn't the left and right cancel each other out and you'd be just left with Alt?

>>127797798
>That doesn't exclude White brother cultures from working together to create wonderful things and societies, and to destroy their common enemies, but it doesn't mean we can and should create this artifice called the "White Nation";it cheapens the idea of the Nation.
It makes perfect sense in America where most whites are significantly mixed. We can't be anything but white. We'll support European Whites due to kinship and whatnot, but that doesn't mean that we expect them to assimilate into one grey blob.

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You're all stupid. See, they'll be looking for army guys.

>>127793558
>one more retard with a blog telling everyone how things SHOULD be
How about these faggots actually do something once in a while.

>>127806772
>It makes perfect sense in America where most whites are significantly mixed. We can't be anything but white.

No, that just means you can't have nationalism and you're stuck in limbo. There's no hope for you. White isn't valid for all the reasons Brett listed. You can't be cohesive with a group that broad, nobody will support one another.

>We'll support European Whites due to kinship and whatnot, but that doesn't mean that we expect them to assimilate into one grey blob.
Europe doesn't need your "support." The Europeans who are pure have ethnic nations to act as a backbone. Mutts in Europe from mixing are just as boned as Americans.

Basically mutts are cursed and will always seek the bastardization of ethnic groups and the few who wise up to that like the "white nationalists," will be driven out by other mutts.

>>127807211
He's actually just telling you how things ARE, not how they SHOULD be. Australia is another one of those mutt nations with no single ethnic group identity. You're just as fucked as the American mutts but not quite as badly since there are fewer European groups mixed into your "whites."

>>127807468
>muh special identity
Who gives a fuck. Identities can be formed. France, Spain, Rome, UK (to some extent) were all mutt nations and they became world powers. America will continue to rule the world and they've been mutts for a long time.

Besides, this BS guy only counter-signals WN because he's pro-kike.

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>>127808626
>Besides, this BS guy only counter-signals WN because he's pro-kike.

That's exactly what mutt-people say. Brett explains clearly that mutts project their failures on pure ethnic groups like ashkenazi jews who are much more coherent and therefor competitive. The long-run course in all mutt nations is to be ruled and replaced by pure ethnics that build actual ethnic nations.

>>127796677
It's weird thinking that roughly two thirds of those TRS podcasts no longer exist.