Is atheism redpilled? The church is an institution that feeds

>>127786400
Atheism encourages critical thinking and examination of arguments, which hurts our cause. We can't spread mental parasites if people's mental immune systems are strong.

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>>127786400
go back to plebbit

>>127786729
Mental parasites are a left wing tactic too. Do we really want to brainwash the masses like the left are doing, or are we here to legitimately engage and win people over?

>>127786954
Why are opinions other than yours automatically reddit-tier?

>>127786400
There is no secular replacement for the church. I dont mean the whole religion thing, though ofcourse its vital.
But i assure you that you cannot get 100, 200, 300 atheists per a few city blocks to come to a building to chill around and organise smaller events where they get to meet others and form a sense of community with their neighbors at 9 am. Also what do you even bond over? If all of you bond over atheism, it might aswell be religion. If the call for the event is something other than atheism, it doesnt matter if youre religious or not.

The real redpill is the return to religion. Clean your room and then go into the library to rescue your father. Nietzsche is right God is dead but religion needs to be explored and reborn into something useful.

Kek and Petersin are a great start but there's much work to be done.

>>127787040
That is why we can't let the survival fitness of our memes be outcompeted by leftist ones. If we do so leftism will grow at our expense. We can have discussions when leftism has been memetically purged from America.

>>127787165
because youre a nigger

Religion is a way for feeble minded people to cope with reality and be told what to think.

>>127787361
My point is that as an institution, the church is corrupt and obsolete. Belief in God on it's own is relatively harmless, but organization on a global scale leads to the church having too much power. I'd rather there be small secular groups. It may start off small, but as atheism grows there could be potential for great community bonding, so long as some idiot doesn't decide to start some atheist church and completely miss the point.

>>127786400
Euphoric my dude

>>127787690
But at what cost? Why does no one trust the masses to side with reason? Much of America is moderate, and willing to listen to intelligent arguments. Memes can only take the movement so far.

>>127788068
But how would you get people to come to your group? What is the point of your group?
I agree that economically churches need to be looked at abit more.
But what is the replacement?
You can bond over religion. Because it is a specific thing and people that care about it show up.
If i were to make a group for "lovers of the number 2" it would be easier to get people to come and jerk their dicks off over number 2, than to get people that fall into the category that they dont like the number because it is so broad and at face value people that fall into the 2nd category have nothing in common.

>>127788625
Well, there are already atheism conventions, with decent attendance. There's potential for atheism itself to be enough of a common interest for gatherings.
I do see your point, though. A lack of belief is harder to rally around than belief.
But do we really need to gather? Is such a gathering even necessary anymore?

>>127789161
Well that convention is as ive said, bonding over atheism, might aswell atheism the religion then. And ultimately, once there is no religion at all what then? "Convention for normalness"?

It is very necessary, humans are social creatures and being surrounded by like minded individuals is a very good thing for your brain. Having friends, knowing your neighbors is incredibly important. Even from a selfish point of view. Maybe they invite you for a coffee maybe there is a cool camping trip being organised, bbq? All of that simply because you show up once a week at a place.
I sometimes see footage from all the fisherman gatherings we have in serbia, literally not 1 person is not laughing and enjoying themselves as they prepare meals talk and just have fun with other fishermen.
Also religion gives people, somehow, a certain strength. There are no greater conquests than ones in the name of religion whether its brainwash or not, its real fucking good brainwash.
Also im yet to see a religious person thats suicidal because they hate their life.

>>127787361
>There is no secular replacement for the church
That's good, because I hate ass-raping little boys,.

>>127790065
You are an idiot, please dont ever talk on the topic of religion if you state youre an atheist.

>>127786400
I'm atheist myself but I believe that organization like church is useful in providing society a moral framework and symbolic identification. Also its useful to controll masses. As Machiavelli nicely said: "The closer we get to the top of the Church the less the people religious are"

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>>127786400

Taking the redpill on mortality and God is the hardest.

Once you do however, you're free.

Nihilism is hard to escape for a lot of people, but you make your own purpose.

For me, it's a sense of nationalism and ensuring the country I inherited doesn't become a third world shithole. I also want to continue my bloodline.

Besides that, contentment is a continual goal.

>>127789913
You bring up a good point. I just wish this weren't the case. The harmful effects of collective brainwashing outweigh the positive community bonding in my opinion, but that may be because I'm still dealing with them myself. Really fucked me up. I guess it can't be helped until we find a good alternative.

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I don't know where else to post this, but I just wanted to say—I've been attending Catholic mass for about two months now, and I have literally never been happier. If you embrace the tenets, soak up the Catechism, and balance everything with the wisdom of Jordan B. Peterson, it is possible—I have learned—to actually better yourself. And you know what a better version of you is better at than you are? Bettering himself.

Just try it.

>>127786400

>Religion is an antiquated system which only serves to organize and control the masses.

Antiquated why? Because you haven't figured out how to reconcile the divine with a materialistic worldview that you've been indoctrinated by since birth?

>>127790900
I find that the reason so many people can't deal with a crisis of faith is they can't get through the nihilist stage which follows, but if you can come out the other side and find purpose, then yes, religion can be safely abandoned. Many choose science, hence the atheist scientist stereotype.

>Is atheism redpilled?

By their fruits, you will know them. Tell me, what are the vast majority of atheists like? Do they act redpilled? Do they understand the importance of tradition and values that are eugenic towards society? Or are they absolutely corrupt degenerates who just worship pure hedonism and the worship of their own buttholes?

>>127791204
Because there are other ways of unifying people, and we're advanced enough to accept the fact that there is no afterlife, this is all we got, and we need to make the most of it.

>>127786729
>Critical thinking
>assuming some religions aren't based on evidence

Pick one

>>127791341
The hedonistic asswipes are the loud minority. Most atheists are pretty mellow, and contribute to society in meaningful ways.

>>127790364
Only the religious can talk about religion

>>127791509
Evidence for god is dodgy at best, and nonsense at worst. Give me an example of a religion that doesn't spread unprovable concepts based on unreliable eyewitness accounts and radical assumptions.

>>127790910
Whenever religion pushes its nose into explaining nature or the universe or anything, besides humans, i really am this close || to just advocating bombing churches. And i really think its time for it to cut that shit out, point of religion vs science is always well you dont know this so its god.
But when it comes to what religion brings to the people, and its important to remember that only a small amount of christians actually wanna even bother with science vs religion, it is only benefits and no harm, its a win win win win win... scenario.
>>127791280
I simply find it hard to believe something thats incredibly unlikely, i could make an incredibly retarded claim that has some basis in reality and some scientific ( though pseudo ) credibility and itll be equally as likely as the existence of god. I just cannot believe it.
>>127791746
By that extent politicans can only talk about politics and we should shut this board down, dont think about talking to your friends about the football game either.

>>127791909
>>127791280
Infact a retarded claim like that would be more likely than a god. I dont mean any god in particular, just the omnipresence omnipotence thing.

>>127791623
Fuck off, that's complete bullshit. It's completely backwards. The vast majority of atheists side with marxism, post-modernism, and degeneracy. The group of "redpilled atheists" is fucking tiny, relatively speaking.

Just go look up any trends that break down atheists vs non-atheists. Look at how atheists overwhelmingly support all the Good Goy shit from feminism to mass immigration to communism to liberal progressive policies, etc etc etc. Look up the rates of racemixing between atheists and believers. Look up the rate of childbirth between atheists and believers. IIRC, Atheist whites have a fertility rate LESS THAN 1.0. That's fucking abysmal.

Putting aside all fedora-tipping and bible thumping, and only looking at the fruits of each, it's easy to tell that atheists are fucking shit.

>>127791909
English isn't your first language, is it? I'm sorry, but I couldn't decipher any of that.

>>127789913
Why not humanism? You know, the belief that humans are where value-judgements come from and what those judgements are for, and so social organization should be based on what best benefits human beings. Systems should not rule, rulers should not rule, ideology shouldn't rule, human interests should rule.

We have never had a single society that was based on humanism in the history of civilization. If we form a strong reverse dominance hierarchy we can dominate those who hold power positions and beat the living shit out of them if they break that trust.

>>127786400
>Is atheism redpilled?
no atheist don't have children thus they can't even propagate themselves

>>127792302
It's simple game theory. We give our leaders a dilemma: either choose to play cooperative win-win / lose-lose games with us, or choose to play competitive games and try to fuck us for your own self interest, in which case we will bury you like we buried the globalist slave-drivers before you.

>>127792065
Believers contribute to overpopulation, use more social programs because they shat out more babies than they can take care of, and support the church interfering in the state.
Everyone's shitty, just in different ways.

>>127792280
Ill assume youre asking about the retarded claim.
There is a race at the edge of the universe, that we cannot see, because the planets at the edge are moving faster than the speed of light, and these races can go through time, parallel universes, they collect the energy of the universe to power their machinery and live forever.
This claim is more likely than an omni being

>>127792302
How is this a religion however?

How about just not believing in religion, and not giving yourself a title to define yourself like atheist or agnostic.

Not believing in god is not an "either/or" thing, where you have to be another category or title. You can just not believe. Keep it simple.

>>127786400
>Promotes nihilism
>Another step in abandonding traditions which destabilizes society

This is the exact opposite of being redpilled.

>>127786400
Atheist nations are the ones being destroyed by cuckoldry.
Catholic nations are the ones fighting against it.

>>127792969
This.
Christanity is basically what is holding together western civilization.

>>127792798
Religion is a hazy category, it doesn't matter what box you throw something in unless you need to compare it to something else.

Obviously this implies that we can have no other religions with something placed over humanity, that humanity is a means to an end for, as having gods ruling over humanity is the sickest and most anti-human shit imaginable.

>>127792844
Never said I was against that. My main point is that the church as an institution is harmful. Believe what you want, but don't force society to conform to that belief.

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its impossible to not have a religion. Atheism is a religion so is science. A lot of people are hedonists and worship the media and hollywood, thats a religion too. Why not instead of rejecting religion pick one that benefits you??

>>127792749
>antinatalist

Top tier degeneracy, tbhfam.
Also, it's the atheists who vote for bigger government. Atheism becomes Statetheism

>>127793147
I can see that as being beneficial. But again, my point isn't that religion itself is harmful, but that the church as an institution is destructive. I think we got away from that along the way.

>>127793337
The founders of English political theory/muh fuck the big gubbermant were atheists you moran

>>127793337
It's not degenerate to recognize the fact that we're swiftly reaching maximum occupancy on this planet, and that has dangerous reprocussions.

>>127793105
religion
rJˈlJdʒ(ə)n/Submit
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods

Doenst sound like religion to me.
However i dont usually research views and ideologies to which i subscribe, i rather make my own opinions.
But i do agree with this humanism stance, human interests first and whatever benefits humans.
But here i am arguing that religion actually does benefit most religious people and doesnt do much harm otherwise, well besides the suicide cult aka islam.
>>127793147
By definition half of the things youve mentioned are not religions.
However if you consider science to be a religion ( which it isnt, and its actually incredibly insulting to call it so ) then i guess im a scientistian.

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>>127793147
Let's make strategy itself a religion. Now that's Nth dimensional chess.

>>127793147

>Atheism is a religion so is science.

No, Atheism is the absence of religion not a variant of it. Also science is not a religion either, religion resides in the realm of philosophy because it is something you cannot prove or disprove, on the otherhand science is not philosophy and can be proven or disproven.

Nope. Atheists (along with Christians) hate culture and seek to destroy it.

>>127793640
>>127793147
I think the 'is atheism a religion' discussion is confused by the lack of distinction between religions and belief systems. Science and Christianity could both be considered belief systems, but only Christianity is a religion.

>>127786400
Individually yes, collectively NO

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>>127793821
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann

(Johnny N!) Rip it up, your watery blood
Ain't thick enough, yo wack niggas ain't slick enough
Ready and willin to face you, death awaits you
The king piece in the chess game, to checkmate you

nigga.

>>127794163
Agreed

>>127786400
ITT: I can't think for myself so I turn to 4chan to decide for me. Bravo, OP.

>>127794087
Well now whether science is a belief based system i think is a debate in which 90% of the arguments are going to be semantics.
But i agree with everything else

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>>127791509
>Real Evidence Religion

>>127786400
Accepting Christ is, dare I say, the ultimate redpill.

It's not an easy path though. I feel myself slipping at times.

>>127786400
(((divide and conquer)))

Non-Christians will be THE first to go.

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>>127792860
I found a portrait of you.

>>127786729
God gives you wisdom.

That is why the atheist left is full of mentally incapable children.

>>127794862
However atheist right makes the religious right wingers seem incredibly stupid to non religious people.

DAILY REMINDER THAT ANIME IS A FORM OF AUTISTIC TRAINING AND BRAINWASHING.

IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW WATCHES ANIME, WARN THEM. THESE EFFECTS ARE LONG LASTING.

NEVER SMOKE WEED IT WILL SPEED UP THE EFFECTS.

SOME EFFECTS INCLUDE:

- Liberal Ideology
- Urge to transition from MtF, vice versa.
- Becoming homosexual
- Pedophilia
- Severe Autism Outbursts
- Inability to control emotions
- Inability to sustain normal conversation
- Inability to connect with those around you
- Lowered libido
- Erectile Dysfunction
- Inability to think straight
- Susceptibility to manipulation
- Monetary loss
- Wasted life

PLEASE, DONT LET THE JEWS GET YOU

>>127794369
Just asking for your opinion and striking up conversation. I already made up my mind before posting.

>>127786400
>Atheism
>Redpilled
Yes and no. As with religion the atheist zealots are doing the Jews work for them. These fedora tippers are the most vocal and easily noticed. However atheists who do not break their arms jerking themselves off in public at every opportunity and realize that religion, despite it's flaws, serves an important purpose in society are redpilled.

Sadly going by the loaded questions you began this thread with I would place you in the first category of atheism and therefore declare you a faggot of immense magnitude on par with Islamic savages, Christian snake handlers, and the Jews who work to undermine our entire way of life.

>>127791509
A pink faggot unicorn made the universe and revealed it only to me. Prove me wrong.

If there is to be an atheist movement, it must be a moralist one.

Moralist and scientific and with a fearless spirit of questioning, in the same intent of Socrates. Pursuit of truth is sacred. No faith, no PC, no nothing must stand in the way of the ultimate pursuit of truth.

But you must remember that society NEED a body of moral laws and traditions to exists in a coherent way. So those must be preserved and cherished.

I prefer to stand with religion as the pillar of tradition.

Anything that works for making your own people to survive is good.

>>127793619
The overpopulation is occuring in the 3rd world among shitskins, you fucking kike. Whites are below replacement levels and being replaced by these shitskins

>>127793085
But why? It can be held together by other values, such as learning and wanting to learn. Whoever decides ("Well there's no god, might as well fucking kms or be a bum with a sandwich board.") is the stereotype that ruins the atheist community for the ones who try to think progressively to see society move in a direction which is more impressive than witnessing bombings and knowing that the world government runs on back stabbing, manipulation, and wars over oil and resources which aren't entirely necessary aside from national economic backing with large trusts that are near impossible to notice unless one is educated in knowing how to do so.

tl;dr Shit's fucked, yo.

>>127795286
The loaded question got your attention, didn't it? I know religion serves a purpose, but I wish it weren't necessary, as the negative effects of the collective brainwashing spread by the church are too great in my opinion.

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>>127786400

God can be real but common religion is surely twisted enough to be false. In the end it's a personal choice to pick a faith or to reject it and understand the false veil people wear while they blow each other up and nail people to crosses.

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>>127786400
Atheism per se is neutral. Unfortunately people rarely come to Atheism per se, without adjectives or attributes or ideology.

>>127796014
>I know religion serves a purpose
It serves as a social lubricant and far more dangerous than alcohol alone. There are better alternatives, think of the children.

>>127796014
It's not, many are made to believe it is without any good reasoning behind it. Aside from life meaning.
I'm a depressed sack of shit yet I feel like I'm doing a-ok. Just a little (((ANGAREE))).

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The reddest pill is agnosticism.

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>>127786400
>stop being a pawn to someone else's moral system

>>127786400

As a former atheist, no. It is not.

The west is dying right now because of a lack of men willing to die for what they believe in and as the saying goes, there are no atheists in foxholes.

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>Athiest is redpilled

you missed the answer fucking years ago

/pol/ is a christian board for a reason.

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>>127794862
God, hah. God is an informational parasite, the most virulent form of memetic HIV to have ever evolved. He is a monster beyond your capability to understand because you lack the necessary cognitive framework to do so, which was ensured by your informational parasite. You're wholly and fully mindcucked.

Here's the parasitism process: viral God parasite memes are spread from someone's mouth and fingertips or from media to another person through the infection vector of communication. Vocal cord parasites. They attack the victim's memetic immune system, offering the most extreme promises imaginable, such as eternal life, connectedness to this incredible being, contentment, virtues, and so much more. They offer almost everything, and threaten with everything as well, such as damnation/oblivion, disconnectedness, social ostracization, and even murder via their hosts. Once the victim has decided to try or go further into the religion the parasite begins to burrow deeper into one's mind, creating habitual thought and perception patterns by practicing the religion, repeating elements of it such as in ritual to burn them into your mind. Sometimes the parasitism becomes most ultimate, and the infected literally feel God's love, and love God as physically felt experiences. This demon corrupts even the most sacred emotions. This sort of manipulation is possible because we can feel emotions for character regardless if they're fictional or not, even love (waifu fags.)

God is a mindless informational demon, it would seem as if this parasite was the work of some malevolent designer if we didn't know that it was an evolutionary development from history, the most viral and parasitic elements of memes latching together in symbiosis until they create these monstrous memetic super-organisms that we call organized religions. The Demiurge is a metaphor of this terrible and ancient evil, the message may be garbled but it is an expression of something that is perceived.

>>127791061
Redpill me on the Catechism. Cathys bring it up quite a bit.

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>>127794991
How does the atheist right do this? They are the fools of the right.

>>127786400

>Catholic priests rape your children.

Statistically less likely to happen than protestant ministers or secular individuals..

>>127796575
tl:dr

Go pick up a Bible and start praying. He'll cure you of your fedora cap debilitation.

>>127796756
Because the religious cucks are pawns to the powerful - religion is as much a means to control the masses as the MSM

You're literally just like the SJWs who praise Buzzfeed

That's nice

>>127796907
Catholic Church is full of adulterers. They are a corrupt church. John Paul II is in hell right now for being an adulterer and for spreading a false gospel.

>>127796014
>Lol I just did it to get your attention
That worked but it and this post here calling it a ploy have killed any credibility you might have possibly had. Congratulations you are still a massive faggot.
>I wish it weren't necessary
And I wish I didn't have to work for a living but that's life. Deal with it or get out pussy the exit is just one length of rope away. People are inherently flawed, all people. They need faith of some kind to keep them going during their darkest hours and religion serves that purpose quite well along with providing strong morals.
>Negative effects....too great
Only if you are a Jew which I think you are. Your constant bitching about "brainwashing" leads me to think you need to learn more on the subject. Religion is not just brainwashing, you can easily hold the tenets of any faith while remaining an atheist and I know quite a few people who do just that.

You can either stop viewing religion through that biased Jewish lens of yours or you can explore religion more in depth and see it is more than just what people like Dawkins tell you it is.

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If you take away the church, the public school becomes the new church.

>>127787361
>There is no secular replacement for the church

This is what that meme Nietzsche spoke about. Replace it with art, learning, and perfecting yourself physically and mentally

>>127786400
>donations
Wow, I'd hate for people to use their money the way they see fit. That'd be wrong! Better fix that by destroying their culture!

Kys

>>127797070
Not true. If Europe remained Christian, you wouldn't be having an Islamic problem right now. Atheism has weakened you.

>>127797196

>full of adulterers

How do you figure?

Not even Catholic, just not buying the Protestant propaganda.

>>127796907
>>Catholic priests rape your children.

Let's clarify even further, faggot priests rape your children.

>>127797276
Also, the only other thing that can replace religion is this horrible narcissistic culture we see today, full to the brim of reality TV, over consumption, and apathy

>>127796520
>/pol/ is a christian board
probably explains why so many bluepilled fuckers down here. Atheism is redpilled as hell.

>tax dollars
you are stupid
so you don't get a (you)

>>127796093
Nobody knows. My personal theory is that there must be a universe, as it's impossible for there to be nothing. Even the "nothingness" of space is filled with something, but the string theory is unlikely in my opinion. There may have been something before the (bingbong), such as another universe that took eons to collapse into close to "nothing" and then reacted against itself with the vast number of particles making up "everything", creating such a force that the universe began expanding.

tl;dr
I think there has always been something, even when there was nothing as it is impossible for there to be nothing in something which is nothing, meaning nothing was/is everything whenever this shit started.

tl;dr I'm tired.

>>127797308
Because we failed to replace our religion with something worthwhile
>>127797276
>>127797410

>>127797315
Don't be Catholic or Protestant. Avoid labels, just read the Bible, seek the truth yourself.

atheism is not redpilled without understanding the illuminati properly.

you have to be versed in history and classics, mathematics and natural phillosophy, masonry and engineering, symbology and psychadelia.

otherwise you are a weak pessimist nihilist.

>>127797544
>Because we failed to replace our religion with something worthwhile
Christianity protected you from Islam for centuries. Abandoning it for some misguided "open-mindedness" is what caused Europe to lose sense and invite the barbarian horde right into their living rooms.

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>>127787361
>There is no secular replacement for the church
Yes there is and it's called Progressive Leftism

>>127797675

Non-denominational Protestants are still Protestants, family.

>>127797675
This.
The book of Mormon is the most updated and most correctly translated. You should start with that.

>>127786400
When medicine can prolong life forever is when religion dies.

>>127797870
That's fine. Your labels will mean nothing to the Lord.

Read the Bible, discover the truth yourself.

>>127797459

Atheism is pink-pilled: smart enough to figure out that a lot of what you're told isn't true, not smart enough to interpret spiritual books.

>>127797675
Leave nothing unquestioned.

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>>127786400
No. Atheism is literally the most arrogant belief system there is. To believe that you are truly the peak of evolution in a still expanding universe with potential infinite possibilities, is fucking retarded. So are atheists.

>>127798232
Jesus wants you to scrutinize the Bible. Do it heavily.

>>127798344
but muh evidence

and muh burden of proof is on you

also there is not peak of evolution, organisms meerly adopt the traits that maximize survival.

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Incoming religion pill

The fact is nature is there to utterly destroy you. We build houses and clothes to protect us from the weather and natural disasters. The mind works the same, if we do not build a resilient thought process the natural forces have a tendency to drag a mind down to mental illness and degeneracy.

religions like buddhism or christinary try to tell us these things. Religion originates from the spark of energy within man to fight against the natural world that ties him down. Cessation of the bodily desires is the most effective way to become the boss of nature, religion isn't there to enslave you, its there to free your mind from the material world which is your real foe.

>>127798344
That's not atheism.

Atheism is the belief that there is no higher power. No species is more evolved than another, just better adapted to their own environment. We will be apes in the eyes of whatever comes after us, no matter if they're people, machines, or a combination of the both

>>127798631
You will obtain proof through belief. God has left you no other way.

Either be a scientist, and properly explore the nature of belief, or live knowing you never gave the experiment a chance.

Treat it less like an experiment though, and be respectful and humble as you try.

>>127798226
don't get me wrong, there are many things lessons worth learning from religion, its ability to pacify the masses, to comfort, to entrench control; even commie atheists like marx understood the power of the opiate of the masses. I would say most atheists understand the potential of spiritualism.
You can peddle it, manage it, but to actually get hooked on your own stuff is a different story.

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>>127786729
This nigga hasn't gotten his dose of religious evidence.

>>127798983
Read the post you replied to again. There is something deeper to it waiting for you to unravel.

>>127799086
You would trip balls off of that shit.

>>127798915
god of the gaps?

i dont see why i should have all this baggage. i can codify a decent system of ethics without the god factor.
why not just focus on making human affairs as heavenly as possible?

seems like x religion is a copout to justify a wasted mortal life.

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>>127786400
thinking you know anything is retarded. I honestly dont think about religion that much. I appreciate the culture created around Buddhism and traditional Catholicism but i dont necessarily believe thier shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

Show me one wife tier atheist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apoCp3OTsxE

>>127799450
>implying God somehow bestows morals on people who believe
that's why religious people are stupid as fuck

>>127799450
A central idea of Christianity is that you will not be good enough on your own.

You can be arrogant and have this, "thanks, but I got this" attitude, but you will stumble and fail as you go.

Consider you are not the first to try this before giving in to Christ's guidance of your life. And consider that Christ wants to lead you to happiness and fulfillment.

>>127799450
At the end of the day, all these ethics you could come up with. Indeed were thought and acted out by god fearing men. You have no ability to realise these ethics without them. You cannot create one from a sea of none. Only a god can

>>127791280
>Implying that science is the answer to all of life's questions (esp. morality).
>>127792065
Back to /pol/ edgelord
>>127792302
Interesting. But concerning the human origin of value-judgements and operating on what is best for humanity, who draws the line or by what standard do you operate, as there already exists among us vast divides in problems are solve (big or small government/ aid poor thru charity or taxation / Keynesian or Hayek economic theory).
>a strong reverse dominance hierarchy we can dominate those who hold power positions and beat the living shit out of them if they break that trust
THIS desu
>>127792749
>support the church interfering in the state
In which cases?
>use more social programs because they shat out more babies than they can take care of
In the vast majority, the said shat out kids just leave a shittier life than their peers
>Believers contribute to overpopulation
>Source: The devoutly catholic China
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>>127793085>>127794537
this

>>127786400
I think you mean Agnosticism

>>127786400
Atheism is lazy and allows degeneracy.

>>127786400
Yes it is. As long as you have the understanding that all humans rely on some level of irrationality to get by in life. People supplant the absence of a monotheistic religion with celebrity worship etc.

People need emotional sustenance in some form - good atheists recognize the utility of religion insofar as providing that need.

Atheism is just as much bullshit as religion. Being true to yourself is the only truth. Fuck religion. You don't know. Fuck atheism. You don't know. It's that simple. Don't bother being fucked by either. Live a good life, and hope upstairs is full of tits and food.

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>>127799602
>implying God somehow bestows morals on people who believe
Not anymore farfetched than how he bestows fedoras to the hardcore atheists.

Faith to god without going to a church is the redpill here. Organizations will always be corrupted

>>127800062
Leaf.

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>>127799920
Evidence for that statement buddy

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>>127786400

I'm a Fundamentalist Christian, and I hate the organized church with a passion. Church isn't an organization, and it should not be treated as one, church is the weekly unison of the community to worship God, that is a beautiful thing, and to take that, to take the house of God, and turn it into a corrupt, man-made governmental hierarchy?

There is no higher insult to God. i recognize that many in the church are faithful and I have the utmost respect for them, but the Pope? The Vicars? The Deacons? The Vatican itself? They have turned against God, against His Word, to tolerate and encourage Satanic degeneracy, even to welcome it with open arms! There can be no higher insult to God, and in time the Whore of Babylon will receive its judgement!

Church is the family, church is the community, church is the worship of Our Lord in Heaven. To restrict and regulate that worship, without heed for the Scriptures? To mock those who take the God's Word as it is written? To belittle Christ's ultimate sacrifice, to deny eternal judgement, to deny the Word of God? It is unthinkable. It is an abomination, and it is intolerable!

>>127799920
>lazy
>"hur dur figuring out what's moral is hard i rather just wait for 2 stone tablets to fall from the sky!"

>>127786400

That kind of church is anglo/catholic church that makes $$ off people. Orthodox Church has much more faith and principle than that. It has existed for much higher ideals and it continues to stay strong thousands of years later.

All the Atheists are Anglicans and Catholics but very few Orthodox leave their faith.

Atheism is really a return to paganism because you cannot have people without spirituality or faith . They will make something up and tribalize.

>>127799655
>not good enough on my own
>i know ill pray
nothing happens
>mysterious ways etc

Actual Redpills:
>God is real
>the Abrahmic religions are Illuminati psyops to weaken and control us
>Jesus found enlightenment and then got corrupted into an idol for idol worship

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>>127794537
>worshiping a dead kike who spawned a religion that killed more europeans than both world wars

>>127786729

Atheism is generally a select club of religion haters. People who truly don't care about religion don't mind having a religion or not having one . Atheists on the other hand are anti-religion. So their religion is hating other religions.

I'd hardly say they are critical thinkers.

>>127797276
>>127797410
>>127797863
But why the fixation of removing something, only to have to search for something else to fill the void, lest you fall for the nihilism meme? By doing so are you not admitting that religion and God are crucial to living one's life; that in breaking down that bulwark one's state is of such fragility that they are resorted seeking to cobbling together a raison d'etre lest they succumb to the tempest of unending suffering that is life?
>>127798686
Not quite redqilled but close.


>>127798983
That you Amos?
>nice strawmen tho ;^}

You don't have to be an atheist to not be religious. Hold your own beliefs separate from any religious faction.

>>127794537
Christ is just a prophet and not the best. I'd say Zoroaster or Buddha are much better prophets .
Muhammad is the shittiest prophet btw.

But Jesus taught something nobody else did he taught love your neighbour and live in peace.

So the idea is not that Jesus is some spellcaster wizard level 10 who has ressurrect and create food spells ready. Is more about an ideal. Believing in Jesus is not believing in him but in what he represents : a good guy.

In a sense God is the combined effort of all people who believe in the same thing.

So if you all believe say in Jesus and truly believe in what he represents then all your thoughts and actions are unified as one .

This is why paganism failed it was too many voices too many tribes too much infighting. Is why feminism is failing. Why the west is failing because paganism has returned. Christianity has united all people in the western world in an unform tought and action made europe much more efficient and at it's height 1600-1800 it was at peak efficiency before Capitalism and democracy brought paganism back.

>>127801592
>strawmen
When you refuse to tackle actual boogeymen i guess you can simply dismiss them as strawmen

Amos is rotting in a jail in trump's america

>>127801592
>are you not admitting that religion and God are crucial to living one's life
I am stating this outright. The undermining of the Christian church, and arguably other faiths, is directly responsible for the suicidal nightmare that is modern liberalism.

Those responsible for the weakening of this cultural fabric are many and varied. This includes zealous atheists, subversive Marxists, and even members of the faith who fuck up the teachings so hard they drive people away from the church and it's ideals entirely.