Does this "Rage Against the Machine" guy have a point?

>>127761538
No

You can find another job

Or work from home

Or not live on the welfare of someone elses labor

Or get a white-collar job

Or become a housewife

Or hell, become a politician

Rich, coming from a singer/musician who is a walking contradiction

Sorry, but in this society you have to work to live

Hell, go full varg for all I care

>>127761913
>guy says you have have the right to be a wage slave or die
>you respond with "no, you can continue being a wage slave in different ways"

>>127762261
>Be me in nature
>Must fight to survive
>See that animals don't die nicely for me
>Find out plants don't tell me which are poisonous or not
>Even water doesn't let me know if it's safe to drink
>Die
>This isn't fair, I'm no nature-slave

>>127763022
tbfh

>>127761913
You forgot the fact that you can always start up your own business

>>127763900
Not if you lack the capital to do so because you've been a wagecucked "cost" to muh important respectable people for too long.

>>127761538
The guy sounds like a idiot and a looser, typical ANTIFA material.

No concept of owning your labor.

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>waaahh i dont want to work or pull my weight or input into society wahhhh
>i want to laze around all day doing jack shit and live off other peoples labour wahhh

These people do realise that in a communist/socialist/anarchist society they still have to fucking work right?

>>127761538
Says the man whose mammy paid his Harvard tuition

>>127761538
labor used to be humans only means of protectig themselves from the horrors of the chaotic natural world, now that we've tamed nature and basically eradicated all the horrible things that it brought into our lives, labor is passe and no one can see the point anymore

this idiot has no idea what freedom means because he has no idea what it is to be eternally enslaved by fear of the world, by things that ACTUALLY want to kill you. his idea of freedom was formed in a world where one of the most oppressive things you could experience was slow broadband or your favorite burrito moving off the dollar menu

when this prick goes and works to earn his keep, and i mean WORK, not learning how to make neat sounds and then finding someone powerful and soulless enough to sell music like it was food so he can be a trendy millionaire, then I will consider what he knows about labor and freedom to be relevant

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>>127764469

In any society for that matter. In any world, universe, reality or existence for that matter. Unless you get somebody to work for you, while you leech the fruit of their labour.

It's called being a NEET and I guess a lot of people in this thread are just that, of would like to be.

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>>127761538
>>127762261
>>127764048

>>127764897
>first world problems
I agree in principle. Work or die is nature's way. We've become soft as fuck.

>>127763022
everyone who uses wageslave unironically btfo forever

>>127761538
commie loser

>>127761538
He, and others who make this sort of argument, are merely unhappy with mortality and the nature of life.

Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

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>>127764469
In older societies you could contribute without being an utter wagecuck.

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>>127764938
It's not about an aversion to work, it is the type of labour that is allowed that irks the modern men.

>>127764048
>kickstarter, patreon
I wonder how many socialists have donated to these

>>127765556
Give one concrete example. I'll wait.

>>127761913

>making iphone apps that keep track of how much your turds weigh is "work"

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>>127761538
He's a fucking retard if he actually said that and anyone else who agrees. Is he crying because the record company he sold out to controls the product he makes?
The fuck is wrong with people?
>You can work and make money
>You can not work and starve
NO SHIT

>>127761538
Mostly, yes. Capitalism is more "free" than communism, but you are only free to play according to a very specific set of societal rules. It's just an edgy point

>>127765556

Make an example, you lazy fucking tacoshit. Go back to Mexico if you want to take siestas all day long.

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>>127761538
He's a fucking retard. The opinions of movie stars/singers are worth less than the average person.

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>>127766248
A concrete example this is not.

>>127765527
GTFO with bible-arguements.

>>127761538
hes a living testament to the wonders of a free market, liberal society. his band makes music people are willing to pay for because they are talented and have something to say
but he needs to bitch and whine about 'the machine' because the band that makes him his living is literally called
>'rage against the machine'

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>>127761538
this nigga went to u of m and is talking about freedom to starve

>>127766084
Bullshit. Life isn't a fucking playground. Through your history you've had to fight very hard to survive, now we live in this fantastically rich and easy world and pussies complains all the time because it's not perfect

>>127766479
Nice hat

>>127761538
>I'm changing the established definition of freedom to mean someone else has to take care of me.

>>127761538
Yeah. Slightly profound words from an artist of all people.

>>127764335
That. He's a half-witted commie who can barely play pentatonic scale

>>127763022
nicely put anon

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>>127765825
>>127766201
In previous societies one could manage to contribute by establishing service of providing security to mercantile trading industries. Such efforts were needed to prevent the labours of the simple laborers from going to waste.

>>127766628
Notice that they haven't done anything worthwhile since they made it big/mainstream. Really tickles the synapses.

>>127766248
>liberalism
The U.S. could have taken a more hardline right-wing stance to avoid subversion. However, the country was doing fine around the break of the 20th century.
>christianity
The Holy Roman Empire worked for a surprisingly long time (about 900 years), despite being heavily broken up into duchies and microstates and by religion, having survived ruthless wars, only to be beaten militaristically because of the unable Austrians who maintained a monopoly on power in the region.
>national socialism
It was defeated in a war, despite having well enough provisions to win it, had they made the right decisions. Alas, they erred, and even now they're paying the price.

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>>127766866
Being a mercenary is still work. Hard work.

>>127766628
the best part was when their bassist was "raging against the machine", by climbing the side of the stage at the mtv awards show because they didn't get an award

>>127766479
It's not a Bible argument. The verse is just a truism that hammered the point home. The main point being that life requires work and resources to sustain. To dislike that, is to dislike the nature of life itself.

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>>127766866

>establishing service of providing security to mercantile trading industries

So working in security? Become a mall cop, you retard.

>>127765825
>>127766201
How old?

>Be me
>Start my own business with a vhs recorder I found at a pawn shop
>Start making soft core cuck porn
>Copy tapes one at a time to betmax
>Sell them to blockbuster
>end product is exactly what I want
>???
>Profit

>>127766379
Falsehood.
Capitalism tells you one thing only - own yourself and what is yours. That includes your heritage, your history, your land, and your people.

>>127762261
Dude. A wage slave is a person who is paid to do whatever the boss says. In other words, they are a slave but they are being compensated with a wage.

A lead software developer who for which ever reason is on a wage (instead of a salary for those juicy overtime numbers) can tell their boss to fuck off and as long as he is doing his primary job well, nothing will happen to him.

You seem to think that we should be getting everything for free. But there is no society where you get things for at all levels.

>like, freedom means the freedom to get a job and be a slave, dude

this faggot is great at guitar but i notice he doesn't give his millions away to the commie cause, why is that?

>>127766702
Didn't say this is not the case

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>>127766414
It's an example of what an economy is capable of when your remove the shackles of Jewish usury. These wage-cuck vs NEET threads always fail to mention usury and rent-seeking, the 800 pound gorilla in modern economics.

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>>127767143
But work well fulfilling to a man. The service was quite needed, while modern acts of security industry >>127767260 are quite trite.

>>127766843
That Know Your Enemy solo tho, there's some 3nps legato work in there, bruv

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>>127766702
Some prefer the fight to the mediocrity of modern nihilistic hedonism.

Jews. That's all I have to say. Until we've dealt with the Jews we won't be going anywhere but further down into the gutter.

>>127767179
No, it was because he lost the award to Limp Bizkit. That's just righteous indignation

>>127767576
I think money lending can be a valuable service worthy of compensation. However, when they can just create the money out of thin air, it becomes cheating.

>>127762261
What amazes me is that people fail to understand that simply existing as a poor fag in the states you still have the energy equivalent of 200 slaves from modern technology that yo7 didn't have 100 years ago. Don't want to be a wage slave? Go work in a farm and work dawn to dusk as Gods slave to grow your own sustenance. You Stupid faggot

>>127766722
Huh?!?

>>127767383
And it's done a fine job so far right? Topkek. China is more of an actual nation than any western country and they're fucking communists.

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>>127767961
He's falling back onto the fedora argument.

>>127767943
What you fail to realize is that our country is so fucking jewed that ALL of our money is debt. The federal reserve has to increase the size of our national debt every time it increases the size of the money supply.

>>127761538
So really what is the alternative? In the capitalist system you at least have a modicum of choice. You can quit and find a new job, or start your own business. In commie utopia it's decided that your are suited to making doorknobs at the doorknob factory, but you all collectively own the machines so hooray?

>>127765556
Other societies, like North Korea, Stalinist Russia, or the Khmer Rouge?

Not only in centrally planned societies are people true slaves, but millions starve to death, either simply on account of the inefficiency of central planning, or planned purges of particular groups.

>>127761538
>in the end, the product doesn't belong to you
>threatens legal action against people who use his product without permission
What did he mean by this?

>>127767970
False yet again.
China long ago ditched its communism and replaced it with a market economy - the only difference being that they kept their people in shackles, exploiting them for low wage labour.
Western countries were doing just fine economically under capitalism, until the Jews decided government intervention would let them control the goyim more precisely. That's why you have welfare to buy low-information voters (democracy is good, goy), that's why there's taxes (can't have people spending that money on their families, goy), that's why there's debt and inflation (oy vey, who'd ruin the country if it wasn't for us?)
How does this government control benefit whites, who evolved to be rugged survivors in smaller packs, when it incentivises them to be the exact opposite of what they truly are?

>i shouldn't have to do anything to get fed
Why do communists want to be pets?

>>127761538
So he wants the freedom to force others to provide for him instead?

>>127763022
/all wages leave threads and communist theory forever

>>127768556
Older, not other you daft fuck. Don't simple assume a person's position in an argument before they provide it.

>>127768364
Government fucking up? Better blame it on free enterprise, goy. All part of the plan.

>>127761538
>Having a job is a form of oppression

Doesn't understand economics, gotcha.

>>127762261
>Guy says you have the right to be a wageslave or die

Yeah, let's clarify that: You have the right to work for a living or die. In nature, you have the right to find food or starve.

Your problem isn't with "capitalism" it's with life. Period. Life is struggle to live. That's not unnatural and it isn't evil, your faggot idol is literally bitching that you have to work for a living.

Sorry, but either you work for a living or someone else works for you. Guess which is more unfair?

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>>127768415

>>127761538
No. He plays guitar. He's fucking stupid.

>>127767954
And yet you have to work longer hours doing meaningless tasks and you end up even more tired from the soul-sucking environment.

The reality is that even in feudalism people worked less hours than in industrialism. And the nature of farming work is that it takes skill and physical capacity, so you end the day much more satisfied.

Or grow your own damn food.

>>127763022
this

>>127768364
I get it. Money would actually be better if it literally grew on trees, because at least there would be input costs (growth, harvest, so forth).

>t. Millionaire

>>127761538
I don't understand what lefties think freedom is? Not having to work?
If these faggots want to practise communism and run a business where everyone shares things equally, there's nothing stopping them. There are no laws against running a coop business, as far as I'm aware.

>>127761538
No, he is an edgy theator fag who is also a hyprocrite

>>127766479
Stop your anti-Christian bullshit, kike.

>>127761538
>Listening to these communist faggots

If you want to eat you have to earn. 10000 years ago you hunted that shit farmed that shit or starved. Now you sit in an air conditioned office and file business reports or.... GO ON WELFARE. Put your goddamn hand away and earn your keep you commie fuck and quit complaining about muh gimme thats.

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>>127768693
>western countries were doing just fine

This is a lie, we did okay compared to other races but look at what Hitler achieved in just a decade without Jewish usury. Imagine if America had never been shackled to Jewish finance, we'd be Star Trek tier by now.

>>127761538
>America has freedom to starve
NOPE, if someone tries to starve themselves they will be institutionalzed and forcefed.

>>127761538

i seriously don't get his point. is this a fake quote? this is the kind of shit i would have gone for when i was 13, and i was a RATM fan when i was 13, and i was all "fuck da man xD"

he also has the freedom to go live in a commune in america and act like a leeching stinky bum, if he just wants to take things without working for them.

does he expect to work in a kellog's cornflakes factory but get to box them up and sell them under his own brand because "I WORKED ON THE FACTORY LINE DUUUDE, THOSE ARE MY CORNFLAKES". fuck off then, you can pay for distribution and marketing then, too. dumb cunt.

>>127761538
We have welfare, you can live off of it but don't expect to have a nice house, all the latest electronics and take two tropical vacations per year.

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There's still one more freedom: the freedom to kill yourself if you don't like the fact that life is a constant struggle to survive.

>>127761538
>self-employed people do not exist

>>127761538

>complains that people choose to work as if you're entitled to get shit for free to exist and enjoy yourself
>fails to recognize that the ultimate goal is self-employment where you do have full control
>makes usual lame Marxist excuses for MUH CONTROL OF PRODUCTION
>fails to grasp that the lower you are on the totem pole, the less risk you have if things go wrong and that this is a trade-off for not being of high position

When will libtards and edgy faggots who believe in the Gommunism myth just fucking kill themselves and make the world a better place for the rest of us who aren't mentally handicapped?

>>127761538
Yep

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>>127763022
topkek

>>127766379
Example?

>>127763022
>life doesn't come with a manual but usury is natural survival of the die by the swordiest

>>127761538
Well that's pretty dumb to point out that it's The US specifically that's doing it.
It's the same in every national body out there unless you plan on becoming a damn Tibetan Monk.

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>>127761538
Yes. Since getting redpilled I've realized just how fucked I am. I can't talk about anything at work or even to co-workers away from work. I have to live a double life and pay lip service to lies all day.

> "So what are you reading, Anon?"
It's pic related. "Uhh [some novel I read five years ago]
> "Oh cool, what's that about?"
"Uhh surviving in the jungle, wouldn't that be cool?"
> "Yeah man I like hiking!"

> "Deez poe lease be raciss as a mawfuh"
"Oh yes, terrible!" [Don't point out that dude drives without a license, sells drugs, and carries an illegal gun around, like many other coworkers]

And my bosses are all cucks. With no children in their mid-30s. Meanwhile the niggers all have several.

Someday a real rain'll come and wash all this scum off the streets.