How do we fix Islam?

>How do you fix islam,
Highjack it, like schlomos did with Christianity, and make it so it suits your needs.

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>>127756206
>why can't we subvert Islam
because Islam is designed to not be subverted.Any true muslim is going to know all of the passages about forcing their religion on everyone and never giving an inch, which is basically the core value of Islam. Islam was designed to fight wars that was its whole purpose.

They can only be manipulated but Jews are already manipulating them.
They are sending them to Europe to crush your culture/religion/populace as Islam was designed to do all along.

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>>127756748

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>>127756930
>are told to immigrate and outbreed host populations
good luck subverting them.

>>127756206
>Just kill them all xd

We don't. They are at war with each other for centuries. We'll just have to wait.

>>127757180

We'll be the collateral damage

>>127756748
Actually, in Islam, all me, are brothers, since we hail from Adam.
Also in Islam there is no difference between a muslim and a non-muslim in an Islamic society (umma). Muhammed's neighbor was a jew.
Moreover, Muslims not assimilating is a good thing, if they do, you can't actually stop them from inegrating and breeding white people out of global genepool.
You should be thankful for terrorism and bad cultural habbits, if they didn't exist, far less people would be redpilled about the jewish plans.

>>127756206
Work with the right muslims (i.e Persians not Arabs; Shia not Sunni)

Turn the deserts to glass, go Biblical in our application and authority.

Build a wall around them and sell them guns

>>127756206
Look at this post, OP: >>127756748

Islam truly is designed to be anti-subversion, the whole religion has been locked in time for centuries, the people can be manipulated, but the faith itself is pretty much invincible. It's the perfect Anti-Jewish weapon. If we could have any sort of influence on muslims, instead of trying to pacify them, we should egg them on, and have them attack Israel. They outnumber the jews by the millions, if they gang up on them, schlomo's hand over the west will be destroyed forever, once that said and done, we send in covert imams to propagate and worsen the tensions between all the different sects, and have them wipe each other out. Literally the perfect scenario.

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I used to think educating their youth. I don't think that anymore, terror children of Europe and US (home grown). I have come to the conclusion there may be no good answer other than ending it!

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>>127759643
Good luck, pretty good ideas. But i still think its too late, the kikes won a long time ago. Im just hoping for a best korea situation where nukes fly everywhere. The more chaos the better.

>>127756418
didnt they did it with wahhabism ?

They need better living conditions, MUCH better education and get rid of people who keep feeding them false information for personal gain.
With all that all it takes is a couple generations and its gone, guaranteed to work for all religions.

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>>127760363
To add to that, would it be possible to troll Pakistan and india enough to nuke each other? Would it be possible for us to troll best korea into launching nukes? Is it at all possible to troll the leader or leaders of a country into pushing the button if it was i say is should be done at all cost, only great thing could come of it happinings beyond our dreams.

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>>127756206

no

Low orbit tungsten drop onto the Kabaa. Insist that it was an act of Allah that Islam reforms to be more moderate.

>>127756206
>If Jews can subvert western culture, why can't we subvert Islam?
They already did it once, see Shabbatai Zvi

>>127756418
Didn't the Turks have a chance to do that already , Ottman Empire

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>>127757614
>since we hail from Adam
Not so fast sweetie

>>127756206
>Give them the middle east
>Put them all back
>Pull out all military force
>Wait for it to settle down

Honestly, Islamic nations were doing FIIINEEEE before Western intervention and attempts to integrate them in to the West. In the same way that the West fucked up with central Africa, just leaving them to their own culture will be best for everyone. Only react if they start invading surrounding countries.

Like African culture, attempting to Westernise Islam will be a negative for everyone involved.

>>127756206
Get the 60% of "secular" muslims to kill the 40% of "fundamentalist" muslims.
Massive civil war. Keeps us safe in our own countries. Allows the muslims that are in our countries to join the fight there and/or move back to their home-country after.

>>127756206
Same way we've fixed retarded religious belief in modern western 1st world countries like USA and most of Europe.

You increase the standard of living, you give people access to higher education, you educate them about the world around them to remove the mystery and then your kill their dependence of religious nonsense.

Once the west is a success and religious belief as become a minority, which it will have by about 2050 then other places are going to start to follow, with any luck the immigrants in our countries will start to follow too, once belief in god becomes a socially unacceptable position to hold, it'll be shamed just like other stupid beliefs are. Kids at school who express belief in a god will face the same scrutiny from kids who still believe in Santa and society will sort out the rest.

>>127760363
Why your pic is about nuking my neigborhood ? I literally recognizes the 16e district of paris.

>>127762802
>implying stinky french fries shouldn't be nuked

And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Doesn't sound fixable to me

>>127756206
Islam is an extremist ideology.

There are basically only two ways to defeat extremist ideologies.

1) Crushing them by force. This was successfully used to defeat Nazism in WWII. It means total war, bombing cities, nukes probably, massive application of military power. Possibly retaking contested territory like Lebanon, Egypt, Constantinople, etc. It doesn't necessarily have to mean killing every Muslim as OP seems to think. However, it does mean killing enough of them so that the majority realize that attempting to conquer the West by jihad is not going to work and will exact an unacceptably high price in the attempt. Contrary to what leftist cucks say, it is quite possible to permanently change public opinion by force. In postwar Germany, there was practically no one left willing to say the Nazi program was a great idea. At least publicly. In postwar Japan, essentially nobody is publicly supporting military aggression and co-prosperity sphere.

>>127756206
2) Isolate, undermine, subvert etc until the ideology collapses of its own internal contradictions and problems. This was successfully used to defeat Communism in the Cold War. This is a much more politically realistic option than 1). We CAN, by halting immigration, separate Muslims for the most part from the Christian West. Poland and Hungary prove this is possible every day. We can undermine and subvert them in all kinds of ways. Also, never underestimate the internal divisions (Sunni vs Shia) and the internal corruption inherent to the Muslim way of life. Islamic governments are invariably massively corrupt, incompetent and end up being hated by the majority of the population. In the long term, this can work to the West's advantage. Arguably it already has. But in the medium term some of these states might go nuclear which is a big problem. If nuclear terrorism starts to happen then you end up with option 1) anyway and in the meantime, you had your own cities destroyed so fuck that. Undermining them with porn and sexual humiliation is a worthwhile option to explore because Muslims are massively sexually repressed.

>>127756206
I guess I would recommend a combination approach:
-decisively solve the immigration problem with a combination of Polish, Bulgarian and Danish methods. Deny welfare
benefits. Also ban hijab, ban call to prayer, ban sharia, just massively harass and repress all forms of political islam in the west so they self-deport.
-concurrent with this, subvert by dangling Western lifestyle and women (which they can never have), porn, etc. Politically,
incite civil wars at every possible opportunity so they kill each other off.
-ruthlessly crush any Muslim state attempting to go nuclear with no apologies. If any Muslim entity ever does nuke us, use
the political opening to completely destroy the entire Muslim world with the possible exception of Indonesia/Malaysia. Follow the nuking with the retaking of large chunks of territory so they get the message.

NB: I suggest what SHOULD happen not what WILL happen

>>127756206
Middle East needs more suffering. Germany fought for 30 years before they stopped arguing over holy bread and blessed water.

>>127756206
>So how do we fix Islam? And don't come with "Just kill them all xd".
But that is the solution. Islam isn't broken, it's working as intended and that's the problem. If you "fix it" it's no longer Islam.

>>127756206
Stop letting the Jews pit you and the Muslims against each other.

Perhaps it's too late to undo what's been set in motion by their trickery, but their subterfuge is the root of the problem. They will surely intervene to prevent any fixes from sticking.

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>>127756206
>This is not a problem you can solve with genocide.

Says you

>>127762802
Why did you elect Macron?
You deserve it.

>>127756206
Jihad needs to be reinterpreted as an internal struggle. Wahhabi Islam has to undergo chemo.

>>127756206

There is no turning Islam into anything, the quran makes it hard to change things, it's booby trapped for it. A muslim man once told me that with Islam there will be no peace, kind of hard to disagree when the people you want gone are telling you this.

The only people who know how to deal or "fix" Islam, whatever that means, are the Orthodox (insert religion here), they grew up with these people, lived with them for centuries.

You are not going to change Islam. The jewel of western society was the abolishment of slavery, go ask any muslim what they think about it and they will revert back to the quran and tell you that under the book it is allowed.

You really think I would waste my time with fixing or helping Islam after what they did to Lebanon? Which is a great model of how the future of Germany will be, in fact it is the same reufgees too. Enjoy your civil wars and constant decrease of anything other than muslims.

>>127756206
Kill them all.
Only way.
I will never accept them.

>>127756748
I've read the Quran it's actually far less violent than the Bible. It literally says "there's no compulsion to religion". Most of the Quran is just blabbering poetry and a few things have death sentences, like apostasy

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>>127756206
You know the answer.
Heretic

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>>127767066
> no compulsion in religion
> death for apostasy
Found the muslim.

DEUS VULT

>>127756206
Introduce them to bacon.

>>127767066
There's a fuckload of:
Do this - go to hell
Do that - go to hell
Commit jihad & suicide bomb - straight to paradise with 72 old wrinkly Clara Meadmore's (google her)

>>127756206
if we can't fix islam, can we at least get them to align against a common enemy? seriously if I heard ISIS was attacking Antifags, I would have a real moral crisis in knowing how to feel about it.

>>127767066
>#notallmuslims
Amirite?
Do the world a favor. Next Muslim you see praying or shouting Alluh Ackbar in public, give them a great big hug and absorb the fucking blast.

>>127770286
No. No. No. No.
Fight your own fight. Don't align with Muslims for any reason. This level of ignorance is why you see feminists supporting sharia law.

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>>127769643
Suicide is actually guaranteed not to take you to heaven in islam, though.

Also OP, Iraq, Syria, and Iran were perfectly modern countries during the 50's, 70', and even the 80's (except for the latter). Iraq had better healthcare than most European countries, a higher % of women in high-grade executive jobs than the US, close to 100% literacy, and so on. If you look at the list of terrorist attacks after WW2, you'll notice islamic terrorism only really started after the mid-80's, when foreign ingerence started in those countries. All of those used to be perfectly secular countries where Christians and Jews could live in peace (as long as they weren't zionist for the latter).

There's nothing to fix in islam when you leave muslim countries alone.

>>127768605
At least in Morocco, the verse's interpretation was reworked to mean "high treason towards your nation", so apostasy isn't religiously punishable by death anymore (which is coherent with other passages that say to respect other religions).

>>127771293
>50's, 70's
50's, 60's, 70's*

>>127771293
>Suicide is actually guaranteed not to take you to heaven in islam, though.
Unless done in jihad. Martyrdom guarantees paradise.

>>127771555
That doesn't matter, as long as the bomb is sure to kill you, the maqtul (one killed) is the same as the qatil (one who kills), so it's qatil nafsahu (killing oneself, AKA suicide).
http://www.ihsanic-intelligence.com/dox/The_Hijacked_Caravan.pdf

>>127756206
Islam is not the problem.
Saudi funded Wahhabi Sunni Islam is the problem.

All of the terror attacks in the West have been committed exclusively by Wahhabi muslims.

>Al Qauda
>Taliban
>ISIS
>Muslim Brotherhood
>Al Nusra
All Wahhabi, and the list goes on.

Shia, Ibadi, Alawite and many other Muslim sects are not interested in expanding Islam by the sword and just want to get by.

All of the mosques promoting and radicalising muslims in the West are Saudi funded wahhabi institutions, the wahabbi hadiths are the most extreme, orthodox and conservative interpretations of the koran in existance and they are un-reformed since their inception.

This will not change untill Saudi-oil runs out AND the country goes bankrupt which may never happen.

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>>127771949
Well said.

>>127771877
Tell them:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/isis-has-industrialised-martyrdom-says-report-suicide-attacks

>>127772667
Always archive media renowned for shilling and clickbait.

https://archive.is/zTWcX <- theguardian.com article

>>127772689
Tx, my bad

>>127756206
>this isn't not a problem you can solve with genocide

Kek. Impossible... For you.
>genetic weapons

>>127772667
>Tell ISIS
wat
Do you think I'm affiliated with them or something

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>>127775511
You live in shitskincountry
Also, pic related

>>127756206
Kill them all.

Anyone who says otherwise is an enemy.

>>127775898
>You live in shitskincountry
Where ISIS and islamist cells are routinely exterminated
Morocco is further away from the Middle East than all of Europe is apart from Portugal

Anyway, fedayeen describes militias willing to sacrifice themselves in general -- not just islamic ones. It sure as hell doesn't imply suicide
>This is not just permitted by Muhammad, but encourage with liberal promises of earthly rewards
>bombs during Muhammad's time
>plainly false statements with no source
lel

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>>127775511
It's /pol/ mate, it's beyond ridiculous.
They actually believe that all muslims want to enter their homes and kill them in their sleep.
Ironic, when Christians took over Jerusalem, they slaughtered every man, woman and child, but when Saladin did it, he let everyone live and promised them protection. I still don't exactly get it, they romanticize killing muslims even though most of them can't handle one hour in a barren battlefield, but get butthurt because a muslim did some retarded suicide bombing in their countries.

>>127776253
Pretty sure UK, NL, Norway, Sweden etc are further away..
Here's source:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/suicide-bombing.aspx

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Fix.. FIX ! YOU CAN'T It's a broken and awful ideology the only thing is to wipe the muslims all of them off the face of the earth !

>>127776749
The soon to be smallest in numbers race want to wipe off 2 billion people, most of them has spent their entire life in guerrila warefare, while the aforemntioned race has spect over a century living under complete safety, and lowly turning into docile domesticated cucks, while more and more of the race they wish to extract from earth seeps into their countries and slowly outbreeds them.
Yeaaaahh...Good luck with that.

>>127756206
>1. Stop letting them immigrate to Western Society en masse
>2. Muslim Ban
>3. Attack any Muslim country that threatens the Western World
eventually i think they'll get tired of getting curb stomped and living in deserts and cool off

>>127776426
Eh, as long as I can dispel blatant lies, it's okay.

>>127776636
>Pretty sure UK, NL, Norway, Sweden etc are further away..
Rabat (Moroccan capital) to Baghdad: 4,690 Kilometer
Stockholm to Baghdad: 3,478 Kilometer
London to Baghdad: 4,090 Kilometer
Amsterdam to Baghdad: 3,783 Kilometer

Once again, your source only talks about martyrdom (eg. getting killed in holy combat). Suicide prevails over martyrdom in islam, so it's definitely forbidden. Check out the link I posted earlier.

>>127767066
>t. Ahmed

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>>127777515
The bombers believe that due to their sacrifice for Allah in the form of martyrdom, they'll get into paradise.
They're fucked either way.

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>>127756206
>problem can't be solved by genocide
You give up too easy

The same way we fixed Christianity.

Starting with the council of Nicea. Islam needs a defined interpretation of the holy text

>>127778340
>They're fucked either way.
Yep.
Also, pic you posted is incorrect. Islam actually doesn't give a fuck if you touch or raise a pig or even eat it as long as the latter isn't done purposefully (eg. if you didn't know or were tricked into it, it's voided).

>>127778511
>Starting with the council of Nicea. Islam needs a defined interpretation of the holy text
You're late by about 1200 years m8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches

>>127756206
Stop backing Israel's expansion.

If the UN were to treat Israel as it would another expansionistic, apartheid state, muslims in general wouldn't perceive western powers as agressors.

>>127756206

Development. living in cities etc. most moderate wine drinking muslims with western values are in northern Turkish cities like Ankara, Istanbul and Izmir. Developed cosmopolitan places where people have jobs that don't involve sweatshops or camels. Hardcore islamisim is funded by small, businesses and oil states and most appeals to rural areas with lots of small businesses and/or farms.

Also you could stoke secular nationalism or godless communism on them because middle eastern rightists are religious. Islamism was founded as a response to the threat of nationalism to saudi arabia and other gulf monarchies. I don't even think it would cost all that much money to fund some developmental nationalism in Egypt or some other arab states

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>>127778860
>I don't even think it would cost all that much money to fund some developmental nationalism in Egypt or some other arab states
Do you even realise what you are saying? This is incredibly ironic.

>>127772102

thanks for sharing your knowledge, this is actually really interesting

>>127778536
Which is why I encourage everybody to spread this knowledge ;)
Once seen, it cannot be unseen.

>>127756206
you say genocide isn't a solution.

but, it sounds like its the best solution.

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>>127779914
Some might even say it's the final solution.

>>127756206

To "save" Islam all that needs to be done is un-kill Muammar Gaddafi but that requires the development of time travel.

Gaddafi edited a reformed form of Islam that was known as the green book. A modern version of Islam is a menace to Wahhabism and any aristocracy that enjoys life as islamic nobility with near absolute power. That is probably the main reason he was killed.

I wonder is there is any surviving copy of the green book.

>>127756206

1.) Stop supporting Israel - Pressure to create viable Palestinian state.
2.) Revert to pre-90s policy of "offshore balancing", as opposed to current "regional transformation" policy.
3.) Stabilize region and focus on fighting terrorism with Muslim/Russia/Coalition (this will not be possible until we abandon Zionist foreign policy)
4.) Stop Muslim immigration into our own country, incentivize Muslims to return to their countries of origin.

Common-sense but only possible with regime change.