SCIENCE NO!!!!!

>>127737071
hahah this some bullshit

>>127737071
WE

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But muh culture!

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>>127737071
Aren't Turks a new thing from Mongolian/arab rape babies?

>Turks
oh ffs, it's Anatolia neolithic, which was vastly different from modern Turkey

NOT ONLY WUZ WE VIKANGZ BUT WE ALSO WUZ PHAROHS AND SHIET DANMN I LOV SCIENZE

#WeWerePharaohs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8leUPVFcV2I

>>127737849
WUSN'T

>>127738415
Yes. Turkish genes before them of course. Some Hittite or Dracian-like blood.

>>127737071
>Turkish
Why are they scientists lying? Turks are rapebabies.
That means they must have been European.

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>>127737071
There were middle easterns but not really europeans, closest real europeans are the chechens.

yo what? we r the furst kangz

>>127737071
Turkish? Like mongolian?

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>>127744690
Like Anatolians, I would bet. AKA more whites.

>>127744765
Yeah, but the turks decent from mongolians.

>>127744862
>Dailymail

They want to make it nice and easy to digest.

Do yourself a favor and look at the actual paper and data. They didn't source mummies from Ancient Egypt. 90%+ of the mummies they used are from late egypt that was already invaded, in decline, and under foreign ruled blood lines. Let me know if you want source sauce. Out of 100 mummies, only a handful were from 1000BC and older. There was literally one from 1388BC and one from 1200. Most were from 300BC -> AD which was the Ptolemaic Kingdom (Greek/Roman) blood lines.

Saying this reflects Ancient Egypt is patently false as the time period of source isn't from Ancient Egypt. What an intellectually dishonest piece of shit paper. No wonder Academia is in decline.

>>127743814
duh.

>>127745176
We already knew King Tut was white.

Try to keep up arrogant little nigger.

>>127737071
Delete this right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My question is after the countless threads about these topics is:

Why the fuck is this importan on /pol/?

>>127745587
It's funny.

>>127737071
lol black ppl have made 0 contributions to civilization

>>127737849
KANGZ!

>>127739350
>>127741794
ay yo hol up!

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Paper :
> https://www.nature.com/news/mummy-dna-unravels-ancient-egyptians-ancestry-1.22069#/ref-link-1

Here's the data source paper :
> https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

Here's the dates of the mummies :
>https://www.nature.com/article-assets/npg/ncomms/2017/170530/ncomms15694/extref/ncomms15694-s1.xlsx

Do yourself a favor and look at the actual paper and data. They didn't source mummies from Ancient Egypt. 90%+ of the mummies they used are from late egypt that was already invaded, in decline, and under foreign ruled blood lines. Out of 100 mummies, only a handful were from 1000BC and older. There was literally one from 1388BC and one from 1200. Most were from 300BC -> AD which was the Ptolemaic Kingdom (Greek/Roman) blood lines. Also, they didn't look at nuclear DNA, they looked at shitty ass mitoch. DNA.

Saying this reflects Ancient Egypt or DNA is patently false as the time period of source isn't from Ancient Egypt and the DNA of shit reference quality. What an intellectually dishonest piece of shit paper. No wonder Academia is in decline.

Gem :
> The scientists obtained information about variations in mitochondrial DNA, which is passed from mother to child, from 90 mummies. Because of contamination, the team was able to acquire detailed nuclear DNA, which is inherited from both parents, from only three mummies.

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>>127737071
Uhhhh no shit? Do you really think a bunch of niggers ,the monkeys that never invented the wheel,could have built Ancient Egypt?!

>>127745748
and it's funny because it's true.

>>127745997
Noice sauce.

Thanks m8

>>127744212
>real europeans
>chechens
???

>>127746103
its obvious, yet nigger and libshit brains dont work with logic

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>>127739350
>>127745984
WE

>>127743738
>Neolithic Anatolia
>Hittites

Dumb Peruvian

>>127746309
You're very welcome. I can't stand intellectually dishonest bullshit like this. Source sauce should always be included. The only reason this is new is because they sourced the genetic info from the teeth/bone marrow as opposed to heavily compromised remains of soft tissue.

IMO, it's good that this paper exists and is being promoted. It's a classic example on how top papers and academics twist data and details to suit a narrative.

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Wtf
Biz mumya falanmışız moruk

>>127737849
WHERE

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>>127746665
WUZ

>>127745176
Actually nigger Egypt declined when the Nubians ruled over it. Really makes you think

The Pharaoh's ruled over 3,000 years. It's clearly the superior system. Rome ruled about 500 and collapsed.America is almost 250 and it's showing signs of collapse:
>anything goes degeneracy
>identity being destroyed
>family unit being destroyed
>failing infrastructure
>etc.
The Pharaoh + absolute monarchy system is best. Having a new leader every 4 -8 years creates instability ,plus look at how corrupt they are.
A King has to do the will of the people or he doesn't last long.

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>>127745587
Because I hate niggers and want to see them robbed of any historical relevance they lay claim to

>>127745176
>>127745997
>(Greek/Roman) blood lines.

So you just assume the entire Egyptian population was replaced by Greeks or what?

Greek and Roman influence was very limited in the 3rd century BC because a) Greeks were racist as fuck and didn't interbreed and much yet and b) there were large areas in the country where there were no Greeks settlers.

But even if you were right, what would that mean? That native Egyptians in earlier times had less 'European' influence in DNA and more Near Eastern?? Yes, that is to be expected. So what is you point exactly?

>>127746605
True! They only use emotion and can't look at anything logically.

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>>127737071
>They found that ancient Egyptians were closely related to the populations in the Levant - now modern day Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Israel and Lebanon.

/pol/ BTFO

THE WUZ ARABS N SHIT

>>127747254
That arm on the right! LMAO!!

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>>127746949
>moruk
u-uruk?

wtf I speak orc now

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>>127747123
NORDICK RAYDERZ N SHIT

>>127737071

https://www.nature.com/news/mummy-dna-unravels-ancient-egyptians-ancestry-1.22069

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>'However in the last 1,500 years Egypt became more genetically African, whereas the ancient Egyptians showed almost no sub-Saharan African ancestry and high affinity to ancient Near Eastern and European populations.'


Fast forward 1500 years
Replace 'Egypte' with 'Western-Europe'

Seems correct

>>127738415
Turks are Mongols that raped Greeks, that then converted to Islam.

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>>127737071
WE

>>127737071
Not Turkish like the Turks had anything to with Egypt, but pre-Turkish Anatolians.

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>>127746885

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>>127738415
>>127747975
Turks are Turkified Anatolians

>>127744862
Asian DNA in Turkey is at max 20 percent. A conquering army cannot genetically assimilate an millions of people.

I get your pardon
*passes high school*
just one moment
*has a job*
are you suggesting
*pays taxes*
correct me if I am mistaken
*obeys the law*
but I am under the impression that
*gets married*
you are stating the fact that
*delays gratification*
my ancestors and I
*raises children*
that myself and my people
*cultivates civilisation*
that my lineage is that of
*shows greater altruism than others deserve*
royalty and suchlike? How extraordinary!
*floods country with third world migrants*

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>>127745432
Because of haploshit?

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>>127747256
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Period_of_ancient_Egypt
The Late Period of ancient Egypt refers to the ((((last flowering)))) of (((native))) Egyptian rulers after the Third Intermediate Period from the 26th Saite Dynasty into (((Achaemenid Persian conquests))) and ended with the conquest by Alexander the Great and establishment of the (((Ptolemaic Kingdom))).

>The key range in which the mummies were sampled were during the time periods of well-established foreign (((non-native))) blood lines))).
> The DNA that is analyzed is mitochondrial DNA not nuclear DNA.
>The structure of nuclear DNA chromosomes is linear with open ends and includes 46 chromosomes containing 3 billion nucleotides. Mitochondrial DNA chromosomes usually have closed, circular structures, and contain for example 16,569 nucleotides in human.

So, brainlet....
> The mummies weren't sourced from Ancient Egypt in which there were native blood lines still in tact. Proofed by : https://www.nature.com/article-assets/npg/ncomms/2017/170530/ncomms15694/extref/ncomms15694-s1.xlsx
> The mummies were sourced from the Middle and old Kingdom whereby blood lines were all over the place
> Egypt was in decline and in ruins during these periods
> Duh moment : When foreign blood lines flood a region who don't understand or carry the culture, it dies which is clearly reflected in the anthropological records and present day shit tier Egypt.
> Mitochondrial DNA doesn't have even a notable comparison to Nuclear DNA. Statistical matching of Mitochondrial DNA is a fucking joke
>> Grand conclusion : This paper doesn't prove shit beyond academia and mainstream publications being shit tier intellectually dishonest bullshit.

You're welcome !

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>>127737071
Fake news. Ancient Egyptian ruling class looked like this.

>>127746959
KINGS

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>>127747254
^ This paper in summary...
Which is why it's such a p.o.s

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>>127746605
>its obvious, yet nigger and libshit brains dont work with logic
_____
> didn't read paper
> didn't go over data
> didn't go over how data was collected and from what periods it was collected fro
> Doesn't use brain or logic
> Parrots stupid shit said by Daily Mail.

Yes, you are the nigger in this case.

>>127747699
We wuz elves an' shit

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No wonder Egypt collapsed, they received nigger DNA.

>>127738620

I prefer the term Asia minor

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>>127748760
>>127748760
>>The key range in which the mummies were sampled were during the time periods of well-established foreign (((non-native))) blood lines))).

Foreign in royalty mostly, the majority of the country was native Egyptian. Unless they were royal family or established to be from a foreign family this means very little.

>>127748760
>> The mummies were sourced from the Middle and old Kingdom whereby blood lines were all over the place
>> Egypt was in decline and in ruins during these periods

The Old and Middle Kingdom were periods of high culture flourishing and Egyptian identity.

>>127748760
>> Duh moment : When foreign blood lines flood a region who don't understand or carry the culture, it dies which is clearly reflected in the anthropological records and present day shit tier Egypt.

No idea what this is supposed to mean, try again.

>>127748760
>>> Grand conclusion : This paper doesn't prove shit beyond academia and mainstream publications being shit tier intellectually dishonest bullshit.

It proves you have some serious problems with reading comprension and know nothing of Egypt.

T. Egyptologist.

That being said, the paper just adds to the substantiation of what Egyptology already knew for decades. Too bad dumb racists can't stop using Egypt for their own dumb purposes.

>>127748641
>That one weird spot in the middle of Africa
Isn't there a legend of some Welsh prince sailing off to some unknown place and setting himself up as King? I think we found him.

>>127737071
''turkish''
they probably mean anatolian, not kurdish-assyrian-armenian turks.

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>>127745432
>King Tut was white...
____
> Tutankhamun's Y-DNA haplogroup was not published in the academic paper

> iGENEA, a Swiss personal genomics company, claimed to have (((reconstructed))) King Tut's Y-DNA profile based on screencaps from a Discovery Channel documentary about the study.

> iGENEA without producing any proof, proposed that King Tut belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1a2

> Members of the research team that conducted the academic study published in 2010 stated they had not been consulted by iGENEA before they published the haplogroup information and described iGENEA's claims as ((("unscientific.")))

> After pressure to publish Tutankhamun's full DNA report to confirm his Y-DNA results, the researchers refused to respond.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_haplogroups_of_historic_people#Tutankhamun

> Haplogroup
> Halposhit

Continue on showing yourself to be the ignorant nigger. I'll wait.

>>127737071
Fuck off we were niggers

>"The oldest representations of ruling Egyptians, who may be presumed to belong to this race, shew remarkably a definitely central or even north European type, and it is very probable that this invading people belonged to an early folk-wandering from the 'Nordic' regions that made its way south through Syria, after possibly a period of settlement there."
>"Ancient Egypt, for instance, was essentially a penetration of Caucasoid racial elements into Africa . . . This civilisation grew out of the settlement of Mediterraneans, Armenoids, even Nordics, and Atlantics in North Africa . . ."
>We may also note that a tomb painting recorded by the German Egyptologist C. R. Lepsius in the 1840s, depicts a blonde woman by the name of Hetepheres (circa 5th Dynasty). The German scholar Alexander Scharff, observed that she was described as being a Priestess of the Goddess Neith, a deity who was sacred to the blond-haired Libyans of the Delta region. He goes on to state that her name is precisely the same as that of Queen Hetepheres II, who is also shown as fair-haired, in a painting on the wall of Queen Meresankh III's tomb. He deduced from all of this, that the two women may well have been related, and he suggested that Egypt during the Age of the Pyramids, was dominated by an elite of blonde women.

>Microscopic examinations proved that the hair roots contained traces of natural red pigments, and that therefore, during his youth, Ramesses II had been red-haired. It was concluded that these red pigments did not result from the hair somehow fading, or otherwise altering post-mortem, but did indeed represent Ramesses' natural hair colour. Ceccaldi also studied a cross-section of the hairs, and he determined from their oval shape, that Ramesses had been "cymotrich" (wavy-haired). Finally, he stated that such a combination of features showed that Ramesses had been a "leucoderm" (white-skinned person).

Removed sources cause I didn't want to make 2 posts.

>>127749853
C'mon man as Turks we must celebrate on this occasion.
Happy Pharaohs :)

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>>127750214
O-okay

>>127746885
Yeah, but it's okay because it's our narrative.

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>>127749839

No, that's R1b-V88.

It's a different branch to the European one.

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We wuz KÖNIG und sheeeeeeiiit...

Hold on for a moment, so you are making the claim that we were ancient monarchs, amongst other things?

>>127749673
> Foreign in royalty mostly, the majority of the country was native Egyptian. Unless they were royal family or established to be from a foreign family this means very little.
I provided the mummy source sauce for a reason.
"Mummification was so expensive that only the pharaoh, royal family, and very wealthy individuals could afford to be preserved in this fashion." Please stop wasting my time.

> The Old and Middle Kingdom were periods of high culture flourishing and Egyptian identity.
Ancient Egypt reflects this. Egypt was in decline towards the middle and Late (Old) stages. Old != ancient.

Egypt reached the pinnacle of its power in the New Kingdom, during the Ramesside period, where it rivalled the Hittite Empire, Assyrian Empire and Mitanni Empire, after which it entered a period of slow decline.((( New Kingdom 1550–1069 BC)) Middle and Modern Kingdoms were decline periods. Mummies were sourced from this period of foreign blood lines. Logically this flows... Foreigners would have no understanding or root in the culture and thus it declined under their rule.

>No idea what this is supposed to mean, try again.
Yeah, I'm not surprised

> Your further comments
Brainlet

Let me know if you want to have a further go at it. I'm gad this paper came about. It's exposing the brainlets and racists who are uneducated pleb tier shit posters.

>>127737071
WE WUZ KANGZ AND SHIT

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white people BTFO
>pic related

>>127750214
> Turk population today is the same as back then
Okay roach

>>127751632
>be on pol
>can't recognize sarcasm


Go AWAY

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>>127737071
DELET

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>>127751190
i genuinely laughed at this

>>127751973
LMFAO I was looking at that guys photo and was like I remember this photo but the horse guy wasn't black. It was photoshopped, blacks are so pathetic man. A good black man will have no attachment to his evil people or identity.

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>>127751973

>>127750995

>Mummies were sourced from this period of foreign blood lines.

Nope.

>The genetics of the Abusir el-Meleq community did not undergo any major shifts during the timespan of around one and a half millennia we studied, suggesting that the population remained genetically relatively unaffected by foreign conquest and rule,” says Wolfgang Haak, group leader at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena.

http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/en/news/newsfullview-news/article/altes-aegypten-erstmals-gesamtes-erbgut-von-mumien-entziffert.html

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HOL' UP

>>127751819
I can't when under stress, when not I do more useful shitposting.
To call them turk is a half-assed difinition anyway. But fuck it.

>>127737071
came here to post this!

>>127752586
They claim they are similar to modern Türks if I read it correctly.
It doesn't matter though. They are gone.

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>>127737071
i don t care they were inbreed niggers ...

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>>127752586
I want to visit Brasil
recommend me a
>Place
>Time
pls anon

>>127745176
fair people have always ruled over swarthy people, this time you will get genocided for being so fucking dumb and ungrateful you don't deserve life you really don't

>>127737699
>>127737071
first post wort post every time when its cucked german

https://archive.fo/LmsLe#selection-585.308-585.319

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>>127752176
> Nope
I've already provided source sauce. You've just provided 'Nope'.

>The genetics of the Abusir el-Meleq community did not undergo any major shifts during the timespan of around one and a half millennia we studied, suggesting that the population remained genetically relatively unaffected by foreign conquest and rule,” says Wolfgang Haak, group leader at the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena.

So, you're incorrectly quoting the paper now..
> Source : https://phys.org/news/2017-05-genome-ancient-egyptian-mummies.html

Correct quote directly from source :
> "We wanted to test if the conquest of Alexander the Great and other foreign powers has left a genetic imprint on the ancient Egyptian population," explains Verena Schuenemann, group leader at the University of Tuebingen and one of the lead authors of this study.

> "We wanted to (((test if)))"
> (((test if)))

I just broke apart why their test is a fucking joke.
Anyone else? I think i'm done here.

>>127737071
> Turkish
> Thousands of year before turks even entered the middle-east

Wut

>>127737071
Gee it's almost like Eastern Mediterraneans were closely related to other Eastern Mediterraneans. Egyptians were like more tanned pre-Arab Byzantines & Greeks, come at me senpaitachi

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>>127753024

>>127737699
Can't believe your own lucky ancestry, roach?

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>>127752810
Not at all.

>>127737071
So? Blacks and libs will still teach me we was kings memes.

>>127747239
>3000 years
>american education

Try 30-40k why do you think there are pyramids all over the world?!?

>>127753655
I hate people who post charts with no indication as to what it is or where it comes from.

>>127753494
Just goes to show you the shit tier nature of present day Academia. Can't even get their own fucking story or timeline right in any sensible or logical way.

The big issue as to why this is the case, in this particular paper is because the mummies weren't from Ancient Egypt. They were from the Late Period of ancient Egypt in which it became a mixed up cluster fuck and the culture and native practices died thus resulting in modern shit tier egypt.

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This is a picture i made after after a good thread long ago. There is much evidence of a global culture with the symbolism found around the world.

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>>127753943
And everywhere there is this strange reoccuring man with a purse showing up.

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>>127737071
These scientists need to stop whitewashing our story.

>>127753655
It came from the paper in question.

The issue with this chart is that it reflects :
> Mitochondrial DNA for which there are only 16,569 nucleotides in humans vs Nuclear DNA which has 3 billion.
> Given the low pool of nucleotide, the statistical floor of analysis is shit tier, weak, and noisy which is why the scale is sub decimal and likely worse in absolute reference terms
> Modern egypt = Egypt in this chart. The mummies were sourced from the Late kingdom period of Egypt that was already blown the fuck out and overran by foreigners

As a side joke, it would be like sampling Europe's blood line a hundred or so years from now when they are all mudslimes and saying that's what ancient Europe was like.

I'm really laughing my ass off right now at this study especially given that it got published in Nature Magazine. I'm also laughing at the brainlets and racists who are championing this as if it says something of value.

>>127737071

Reminder that ethnic turks have nothing to do with hairy roaches in modern turkey.

>>127753943
>humans desire flight
>humans see birds fly
>humans create gods that can fly, because gods do all the things they desire
>humans give some gods bird characteristics, because birds fly

It's really not that hard senpai

don't worry we know they were really African.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlJdPOkMa9k

>>127753862
It's Western Eurasia PCA. The Africans are eliminated so you can see the internal differences better.

>>127754169
>gods bring gifts
>gifts can be carried in a basket/bucket

Once again, it's not that hard

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>>127737071


WE Wuz Kangz?

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>>127737071
Time to kick these Kabob merchants off of our Ancestral Lands! It is God's will, he does not want these heathens to posses early Christian heritage sites like the Pyramids and the Sphinx!

>>127745587
>thread about genetics and race
>specifically race
Many on /pol/ are racist. Why wouldn't /pol/ have threads about race? Plus culture and history are important to politics and this involves that to an extent.

>>127754506
There are much more similarites than only the bird, it is just an example.

>>127754686
The man with a purse is a meme for the merchant

>>127754448
hmm yes this research is very shaky as opposed to the we wuz kangz n sheeit flat earthers

>>127737071
>turkish

Reminder turkey once belonged to whites

Anatolia

>>127743814
It's not the scientists lying it's the retarded DailyMail writers not understanding the history of the region

>>127754890
Can you provide examples of these other similarites?

>merchant
Oh, nice meme then I guess?

>>127754982
Stop larping as white.

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>>127746103


They didn't even have the Words for things they're said to have invented, let alone the skill or technology to build them. Ancient Advanced Negro Civilizations, are a joke.

>>127754355
Holy shit I just realized something. This is why the hole We Wuz agenda is being pushed and promoted at all by those in power. The cult of Mystery Babylon wishes to resurge, via the violent demands of """ancient egyptians""" aka black revolutionaries.

>>127748533
*cough*Genghis Khan*cough*

>>127748760
>he thinks the greeks and romans raped every woman in egypt

>>127748641
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b
"R1b also reaches high frequencies in theAmericasandAustralasia, due largely to immigration from Western Europe."

>>127737071
So whites have been culturally appropriated for all this time...

>Turks

But I thought Turks came from the central Asian steppe? The European thing should be expected though since Egyptians were likely a Semetic people like the Cathaginians.

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>>127737071

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLXOkZtAkPw

How did egypt become niggafied?

>>127737071
How have the Kangz reacted to this?

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>>127750018
>>127745432
nigger tier shit

>>127737071
>inb4 snopes just says a lot of crap and calls this debunked

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>>127756232

Najovits, Simson R. "Egypt, Trunk of the Tree, Vol. I: A Modern Survey of and Ancient Land". p. 76. Retrieved 2016-10-30.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_II
Brier, Egyptian Mummies (1994), pp. 200-201
"Microscopic inspection of the roots of Ramesses II's hair proved that the king's hair originally was red, which suggests that he came from a family of redheads.[68] This has more than just cosmetic significance: in ancient Egypt people with red hair were associated with the deity Seth, the slayer of Osiris, and the name of Ramesses II's father, Seti I, means "follower of Seth."[69] Another study found that Ramasses II was fair-skinned"


:^) stay mad Darius

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>>127755783

Wrong. Different groups moved in, and were subsequently invaded over the millennia, but what were they originally?

It's completely plausible that at one point, they were European.

>>127749548
This.

>>127746885

What do you define 'Ancient Egypt' as? They're calling the period that they mentioned 'ancient', and sometimes 'ancient' is used to refer to the Romans.

>>127745176
the mummies from the pre-dynastic era had ginger and blonde hair as well as blue eyes.

evidence suggests that the very first egyptians were white and slowly got BLACKED over time.

>>127754448
A lot of well-established ancient genomes have less than 508,360 SNPs, so you're just a butthurt nigger.

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Why is this surprising? Their DNA isn't 'European', it's part of a Caucasoid subset closely related to the genetic make-up of Europeans. There was genetic exchange between the Iberian peninsula and North Africa for millennia, and some between Arabia and the Horn of Africa for equally as long.

This information isn't surprising to anyone whose understanding of history isn't based on 'feels' or African-American vlogs, but rather rigorous archaeology and science.

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>>127754891
I'm not sure you're educated enough to know the difference nor are most of the brainlets replying right now. This research paper is pretty much :
> WE WUZ KANGZ
tier nonsense. The fact that you don't see it as such even after it's been spoon fed to you and detailed why just goes to show how small your brain is as well as those in the echo chamber you occupy...

> ALL OVER THE WORLD WHITES WERE KANGZ AND CHIT FOR ALL OF TIME
> CLOSE TO THE EQUATOR WHERE THE KANGS DEVELOPED DARKER SKIN
> FAR AWAY FROM THE EQUATOR WHERE LIGHTER SKIN WAS SUITED (Neanderthals who died off - CAVE KANGZ)
> East to west. North to south for all of time
> HELL US WHITE KANGZ ARE PROBABLY ALIENS or probably even the engineers of the universe

Enjoy the delusions.
I've said what needed to be said and discussed.
Peace

>>127737071

>Ancient genome from this area contains no sub-Saharan DNA that is in modern Egyptians

Sheeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

Literally weren't black but got blacked over the past 1,500years. Toppest kekkles. Kangz on suicide watch.

>>127757095
> sub-Saharan DNA that is in modern Egyptians
>>127753110
WTF are you taking about?

>>127757095
Yeah, valueless sub-saharan Africans have been following the money and going where they aren't wanted for millennia

King Wewere II

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>>127756773

Indians are descended from Ancient Aryans, as are the Persians. This knowledge is being covered up, because it doesn't suit or benefit the ruling Jew narrative.

>>127756232
Due to the hate in their heart and racism, Goys fall for this shit every time. I sometimes give reverence to the jews sometimes for unveiling the shit that's truly in such individual's hearts.

They are like the shit-testers of the human soul.

>>127737071
LMAO NIGGERS BTFO

>>127737071
SCIENCE KEEPS MISTREATING KANGZ

>>127744862
Retard, he used Turks to describe the area. The actual Turkish tribes didnt invade Anatolia for another 2k years

>>127738415
When they say turkish they mean Phonecian.

They are not the same.

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>>127737071

Persians also descended from Ancient Aryan.

The establishment is so threatened by this, that they changed "Indo-Aryan" to "Indo-European."

>>127758170
Does this mean I can race mix with an Iranian chic?

>>127756708
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Egypt
Ancient Egypt

Early Dynastic Period 3100–2686 BC
Old Kingdom 2686–2181 BC
1st Intermediate Period 2181–2055 BC
Middle Kingdom 2055–1650 BC
2nd Intermediate Period 1650–1550 BC
>New Kingdom 1550–1069 BC
3rd Intermediate Period 1069–664 BC
Late Period 664–332 BC

So, Ancient Egypt = From inception until the New Kingdom :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Kingdom_of_Egypt

Whereby the warring idiocy and decline therein began
The later part of the (New Kingdom), under the Nineteenth and Twentieth Dynasties (1292–1069 BC) is also known as the Ramesside period. It is named after the eleven pharaohs that took the name of Ramesses I, founder of the 19th Dynasty.

Thus why the oldest dated mummy in this study is from 1388. There is only one, the second one is from 1200. They didn't source nuclear DNA, they sourced Mitochondrial DNA. The large share of the Mummies are from the Late Period on to Classic Antiquity and the Middle Ages. Anything but Ancient.

So, By Ancient, I'm literally referring the widely defined Definition of the Ancient period of Egypt :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Egypt

I'm not trying to hide anything. Go and chart the dates of the mummies they used yourself :
>https://www.nature.com/article-assets/npg/ncomms/2017/170530/ncomms15694/extref/ncomms15694-s1.xlsx

It's despicable that this shit is published in Nature Magazine.

>>127758511
Do you want your kids to be like jontron? White-looking and succesful? If you do, then yes, do it

>>127758764
Give it up. Ramses had red hair.

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>>127756363
I'm not Egyptian, Black, Turkish, or Middle Eastern for that matter so I couldn't give 2 shits really about we wuzzing when this study CLEARLY just concluded that Turk/Anatolians and Middle Easterners like Lebanese are the closest relatives to the early ancient Egyptians. I'm only concerned with intellectual honestly and sincere academia, you and others are more concerned with fake banging on your chests. You scold the MSM when they're against you but you read clickbait articles that affirm your belief and don't even bother to read the actual study.

My coptic friend's dad has red hair and it doesn't mean jack shit - hell even a nigger on here posted his ginger hair, couldn't really care less Paddy McMurphy. The study clearly said MEers are closest relatives and you continue to LARP.

>>127758511
Most iranians today have had their blood stained by arabic inbreed camel fuckers

>>127759122
>Most iranians today have had their blood stained by arabic inbreed camel fuckers
Good point..

>>127758511

Well they've been diluted over the Millennia, with African and Arab DNA, as have the Indians, but if you can find the lightest ones possible, I guess do you Hoss.

those samples weren't closest to Anatolia Neolithic from ancient populations but Levantine Neolithic and Levantine Bronze Age. from modern to Bedouins and various southern Levantines.

the flag has a point with the need for more sampling (it's possible that some variation in sub-saharan ancestry existed) but the ancient Egyptians wouldn't have been substantially sub-Saharan either way

>>127759110
Notice the nose, skull shape etc?
He's definitely white

And you're black
With a flat wide nose, recessed jaw and wide orbital sockets

Also the kid in pic related has white euro admixture
>>127758764
Literally nothing in this post disproves the Egyptians weren't white

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Maybe Kangs, just not in Egypt.

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>>127745997

JK2887 - J2a1a1 - 1388BC
JK2916 - R0 - 1111BC
JK2963 - M1a1i - 1211BC

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(mtDNA)
>Around 45,000 years before present, a mutation took place in the DNA of a woman who lived in the Near East or Caucasus. Haplogroup J bearers along with persons carrying the T mtDNA clade settled in Europe from the Near East during the late Paleolithic and Mesolithic.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R0_(mtDNA)
>R0a is believed to have evolved in Ice Age oases in South Arabia around 22,000 years ago. The subclade would then have spread from there with the onset of the Late Glacial period circa 15,000 ybp.[4]

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_M_(mtDNA)
>M1 is not restricted to Africa. It is relatively common in the Mediterranean, peaking in Iberia. M1 also enjoys a well-established presence in the Middle East, from the South of the Arabian Peninsula to Anatolia and from the Levant to Iran. In addition, M1 haplotypes have occasionally been observed in the Caucasus and the Trans Caucasus, and without any accompanying L lineages.[3][10] M1 has also been detected in Central Asia, seemingly reaching as far as Tibet.[3]

>>127758764
Phoenicians were in North Africa and Iberia. Greeks were in the Black Sea, Italy and so on. It is not hard to imagine that these guys could populate Egypt during(or even before) its ancient empire. It makes more sense actually. Maybe this happened during the Greek dark ages, who knows.
They could have settled there to really start a city of theirs and it ended up in the Egypt. The fact that mithocondrial DNA is european shows us that they were not rape babies. A greek or phoenician there would be more dark skinned because the sun light there is stronger.

How can you claim the ancient egypt was not an indo-european settlement?

>>127759122
>Most iranians today have had their blood stained by arabic inbreed camel fuckers
this

so much of the world has been ruined by shitkskins. The Middle East used to look like Assad. Now it looks like poo in loo.

>>127747364
those aren't arabs you fucking shitskin. America is the only nation without race. Syrians, Lebanese, Israelis, Anatolians are an ancient ethnic group that predates the arab rape tirades.

>>127756739
> the mummies from the pre-dynastic era had ginger and blonde hair as well as blue eyes.

I'll need source sauce on blue eyes. Further, I hope you're not referring to the blue coloring used in the rim of the eyes of Egyptian paintings and used extensive in royal artifacts signifying the sky and royalty : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_blue

Which was highly sought after all around the world..

So, you're saying :
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Egypt
Had blue eyed people with ginger/blond hair.

Let's break this apart... I guess you're referring to "The ginger" mummy ... List of DNA tested mummies :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DNA-tested_mummies

The "ginger mummy" is not one of them.
So, you're ignoring 1000s of years of aging and the mummification's effects over that time period and concluding w/o dna tests that they were fair skinned gingers just because the hair appears that way.

As for Ramesses II, see 18th/19th dynasty Egypt that was expanding across the middle east into Europe. See the beginning of the fall of Egypt.
See the period that this study was conducted in. See the period in which native blood lines started to cross. See waring idiocy that led to Egypt's decline and ruin.

As for where Ramesses the 2nd decended, See :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_I
Originally called Pa-ra-mes-su, Ramesses I was of (((non-royal birth))), being born into a (((noble military family))) from the Nile delta region, perhaps near the former Hyksos capital of Avaris.

See : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Dynasty_of_Egypt#/media/File:Hitt_Egypt_Perseus.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Dynasty_of_Egypt_family_tree


Evidence shows BLEACHING over time namely when Egpyt began expanding beyond its ancient borders which is why the non-ancient non-royal blood lines were warring jackasses who led the whole empire into decline.

>>127758764

The very first sentence in that wikipedia article is this:

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Egypt
>The history of ancient Egypt spans the period from the early prehistoric settlements of the northern Nile valley to the Roman conquest, in 30 BC

Many of the mummies fit within this period. As far as I can tell your main issue with this their defining the mummies as ancient, but they come from periods that the link you provided says is 'ancient Egypt'. The Daily Mail headline is wrong, however, and the authors did not make that claim.

>>127759987
>And you're black
>With a flat wide nose, recessed jaw and wide orbital sockets
I just said I'm not black are you retarded? Also that's not Ramesses II buddy, as I said, fake banging on your chest.

>Literally nothing in this post disproves the Egyptians weren't white
How about from the study, mon amie? :^)
>Egyptians differ from modern Egyptians by a relatively larger Near Eastern genetic component, in particular a component found in Neolithic Levantine ancient individuals
>We find that ancient Egyptians are most closely related to Neolithic and Bronze Age samples in the LEVANT, as well as to NEOLITHIC Anatolian and European populations
Can you read? That guy actually made a good point that the sample size for mummy DNA tested is very low and not even part of 'Ancient' Egypt. You're too stupid to read I assume, even when the study has a flaw that might have confirmed your dumb theory even if it was fixed.

By the way who is that in the pic you posted originally here >>127756363 would love to know

>>127761813
>just links to generic wiki pages
Kek
Stfu you armchair afrocentric

Ramses ii is the son of Seti I you fucking tool, (the slayer of osiris)
He is of royal lineage

>>127758902
this honestly

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>>127758922
Originally called Pa-ra-mes-su, Ramesses I was of (((non-royal birth))), being born into a noble military family from the Nile delta region, perhaps near the former Hyksos capital of Avaris.
> Non-royal birth
> (((Non-royal))) birth

> What is 18th/19th dynasty egypt that expanded beyond its borders and had racemixing and non-royal blood line Kings

> What is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Dynasty_of_Egypt#/media/File:Hitt_Egypt_Perseus.png

> What is the beginning of Egypt's decline?
> What is this paper's cut off time period? The one in which non-native blood lines were all over the Egyptian Kingdom cementing its over-extended empircal ruin.

>>127761983
>I said I'm not black
Proof?

And as for levant (CAUCASIAN PEOPLE), you're retarded

>>127760061
>Phoenicians
>Indo-Europeans

>>127762546
See>>127762446

>>127737699
WE WUZ

>>127759110
Based leaf poster. I'm begging to decide to just let these brainlet tier idiots be among themselves. There's seemingly no point in engaging them but strengthening one's own understanding of the truth.

> You scold the MSM when they're against you but you read clickbait articles that affirm your belief and don't even bother to read the actual study.
Typical fucking brainlet on here.

>>127759987
> Literally nothing in this post disproves the Egyptians weren't white
Whenever you get a chance you can provide source source like I have. I look forward to it.

>>127762764
>thinks ramses ii is the son of ramses I
>calling anyone a brainlet

>>127762892
See
>>127756363

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>>127737071
hold on a minute. i thought turks migrated from somewhere east into anatolia, so how can ancient egyptians have roach DNA?

>European's oppressing the Jews
Well at least we know why they hate whitey now.

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>>127737071
>Turks

more like Anatolians

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>>127748367

>>127743399
KANGZ

>roman period burials
They were probably some mutts or actual foreigners.

>>127762629
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3611457/Ancient-DNA-study-finds-Phoenician-Carthage-European-ancestry.html

> Researchers from New Zealand's University of Otago believe the DNA of the man, who they call 'Young Man of Byrsa' or 'Archie', closely matches that of a particular modern day individual from Portugal.

Here you go. Now you know portuguese were literally born for the sea too.

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>>127760032

JK2135 - M1a2a - 992BC
JK2870 - R0a - 899BC
JK2902 - I - 902BC
JK2913 - X1 - 895BC
JK2956 - U1a1a3 - 823BC
JK2965 - T2c1c - 979BC
JK2974 - H - 889BC
JK2978 - N1a1a2 - 975BC
1622BM - R0a2f - 806BC

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_(mtDNA)
>The clade is believed to have evolved in West Asia (see Origin and Distribution).

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)
>Haplogroup X is a human mitochondrial DNA(mtDNA) haplogroup found in the Americas, Europe, Western Asia, North Africa and the Horn of Africa.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_U_(mtDNA)
>Haplogroup U is a human mitochondrial DNA haplogroup (mtDNA). Its subclades are widely distributed across Northern Europe, Eastern Europe, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, and the Near East.
>Haplogroup U descends from a woman in the haplogroup R mtDNA branch of the phylogenetic tree, who is estimated to have lived around 55,000 years ago.[2]

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T_(mtDNA)
>Haplogroup T is a human mitochondrial DNA(mtDNA) haplogroup. It is believed to have originated around 25,100 years ago in the Near East.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H_(mtDNA)
>Haplogroup H is a human mitochondrial DNA(mtDNA) haplogroup. The clade is believed to have originated in Southwest Asia,[1] around 20,000–25,000 years ago.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N_(mtDNA)
>N1 is the only sub-clade of haplogroup N that has been observed in Africa. However N1a is the only one in East Africa: this haplogroup is even younger and is not restricted to Africa, N1a has also been detected in Southern Siberia and was found in a 2,500-year-old Scytho-Siberian burial in the Altai region.[15]

One thing is clear - there's no African maternal ancestry, and the oldest mummies share the same mtDNA haplogroups as modern Europeans.

We wuz kangz in' sheet.

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>>127760032
> More mitochondrial Haploshit from a brainlet geneticist.

Haplogroup J :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M267#/media/File:HG_J1_(ADN-Y).PNG

Haplogroup_R0:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R0_(mtDNA)#/media/File:Spatial_frequency_distribution_maps_of_mtDNA_haplogroup_R0a.png

Haplogroup :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_M_(mtDNA)#/media/File:Geography_of_haplogroup_M_(mtDNA)_subclades.png

Go through your own links dumbass.

> MUH RED HAIR :
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/06/article-2139462-12EBB6BF000005DC-649_634x520.jpg

>>127763170
It isn't exactly turkish. It is european. That put it in that way to not say greek or something like that.

>>127737071
BLACKS BTFO

>>127763541
SAVED

What a sublime timeline

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>>127763737
King ramses clearly looks nothing like that Australoid kid, who also has a genetic defect

But okay :^)

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we wuzn't kangz and sheit

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>>127750995
>"Mummification was so expensive that only the pharaoh, royal family, and very wealthy individuals could afford to be preserved in this fashion." Please stop wasting my time.

There were at least three different processes of mummification according to Herodotus. They range from "the most perfect" to the method employed by the "poorer classes".

Nice bullshit, I will believe Herodotus over some WE WUZ KANG nigger.

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>>127737071
>>127737699

WE WUZ DICKWASHERS

>>127760703
>so much of the world has been ruined by shitkskins. The Middle East used to look like Assad. Now it looks like poo in loo.

actually ancient Middle Eastern populations were likely darker and they lightened up more later on. see the recent Canaanite genomes

>>127763769
it isn't European, it's Middle Eastern

>>127745176
>Saying this reflects Ancient Egypt is patently false as the time period of source isn't from Ancient Egypt.

Arguing the definition of Ancient, how pedantic of you. Just another dog shit post from you.

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>>127737071
>Water is wet

Something new?

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>>127744212

Why are Scots so close to ashkenazi jews?

>>127762622
>And as for levant (CAUCASIAN PEOPLE), you're retarded
I never argued this you idiot, I'm pretty sure you're claiming they were /pol/'s definition of white and not Caucasian which would include the ME. Idiots on here claim they are fucking 100% European Steppe invader demi-Gods like a bunch of inbreds and now that there's scientific proof that they were (or were likely) neolithic in genetic origin you sperg out.

I'd rather not post my face on here I have responsibilities other than posting on /pol/.
>inb4 'haha nigger xDD'
Say it, doesn't make you anymore pathetic.

>>127762764
It's funny because everything is a Jewish conspiracy on here but when you tell them that there's no scientific basis for their claims and that said claims are from Jews themselves, it's so hard for them to deny it. Like take a hike buddy. Mean while you point out something wrong with study that could potentially work in favor of his stupid ideology and he's still at your neck.

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>>127737071
(((turkish)))

More like Anatolian. King Tut's DNA was R1b

>>127760061
If you do not have a graduate degree in Genetics, please stop talking about Haplogroups and mitochondrial DNA as if you know wtf it is or what is speaks to. There's a reason the social traces of mtDNA are only (((studies))) and statistical correlations.

Also, if you understood anything about Egyptian history, you'd note the kings who weren't of Royal blood lines but were appointed from their military posts (in later dynasties) which many times composed of foreigners.

> How can you claim the ancient egypt was not an indo-european settlement?
Which dynasty? Which period? Under what conditions?

How can you, using any brain cells claim, given migration patterns out of African Continent (((in Africa))), that Neanderthals crossed a fucking desert to settle African Land first and not native Africans migrating out of it? Crossing through which path? the fucking desert? Because surely Neanderthals had the wherewithal and technology to survive such a migration in Pre-dynastic periods.. Clearly the Egyptians which were Homo-Sapiens are Neanderthals.

Natives settled in fertile land and migrated out from it... What do you claim? Space Alien European Neanderthals got on planes? in 3000+ BC and set up shop in Egpyt? Are you and others really so blinded by your racism that you believe this dumb shit?

> CAVE NIGGERS : WE WUZ KANGS

>>127738415
Turks are actually just turkified Anatolian. They're genetically basically what Anatolia was even before Byzantium period. It hasn't changed much. Actual Turks look oriental. Ottoman Turks actually used to call themselves ottomans rather than Turks to distinguish themselves from real Turks. Calling themselves Turks started really in the last century

>>127737071

DIS BE SUM WHITELASH

>>127764871
modern day t*rks are mostly converted anatolians

>>127763610
>Carthaginian man's maternal lineage is believed to have come from the north Mediterranean coast

All your link proves is that an Iberian woman got COLONIZED by a Phoenician. Can you prove that the Phoenicians from the Levant were Indo-Europeans?

>>127737071
>dailyfail
Are there no better sources?

>>127765005
look, I agree with you that we need more samples to see any potential variations and a lot of people are misinterpreting the results a bit, no thanks due to shitty journalism, but you need to stop thinking that the general population of ancient Egypt might have had significant sub-Saharan ancestry. it didn't

>>127765005
> Neanderthals
> Iliad and Odyssey

Your arguments are pretty solid. I can't stand that. Surely those nearderthals swimmed to form Magna Grecia but, poor of them, how the heck could they reach Egypt?

>>127765425
Are you asking me Iberians aren't europeans?

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WE
WUZNT
KANGZ

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>>127748760
>> Duh moment : When foreign blood lines flood a region who don't understand or carry the culture, it dies which is clearly reflected in the anthropological records and present day shit tier Egypt.
>foreign blood lines flooded Ancient Egypt.
More conjecture with no proof from you.

> The mummies weren't sourced from Ancient Egypt in which there were native blood lines still in tact.
Another conjecture, the blood lines were destroyed by this era I swear!

Brainlet, do you have any evidence or just endless bullshit conjectures. You sound like a fucking flat earther or a creationist.

>>127765005
lol I missed the dates. Egypt is older than I thought.

But this stil doesn't prove they were blacks.

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>>127762446
> Ramses ii is the son of Seti I you fucking tool, (the slayer of osiris)

Cool story, source sauce verifies you're wrong :
> Originally called Pa-ra-mes-su, Ramesses I was of non-royal birth,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_II
Married to Sitre :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitre
The absence of the title King's Daughter for her indicates that Sitre was of non-royal descent

Seti
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seti_I
>Menmaatre Seti I (or Sethos I as in Greek) was a pharaoh of the New Kingdom Nineteenth Dynasty of Egypt, the son of Ramesses I and Sitre, and the father of Ramesses II.
Married to :
> Tuya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuya_(queen)
daughter of Raia who was a military officer based on his title of Lieutenant of the chariotry.

> Non-royal blood line parents suddenly result in Royal Lineage. - 4chan /pol

> Ancient Egpyt
> Peak Empire
> Expansion and mixing
> Non-royal Military idiots begin ruling
> Over extension
> Decline

Sound familiar?

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>>127763737

>Haplogroup J

Not African. That was my point.

>Haplogroup_R0

Again, not African.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_M_(mtDNA)
>The presence of M1 in Africa is the result of a back-migration from Asia which occurred sometime after the Out of Africa migration 40,000 years ago.[3]

M is also found in pre-historic Europe;

>https://www.ncbi

.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4943878/table/T1/?report=objectonly
>UstIshim - mtDNA = R - 47kBP
>GoyetQ116-1 - mtDNA = M - 35kBP
>Ostuni1 - mtDNA = M - 27kBP

>Go through your own links dumbass

You need to figure out how this stuff works. M is very ancient, and is found nearly everywhere. In many locations, it's eugenically replaced by it's descendents or relatives. In some places, the more primitive forms hold on.

>http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2

012/05/06/article-2139462-12EBB6BF000005DC-649_634x520.jpg

Actually, whites (Y haplogroup F and it's descendents) probably evolved in Melanesia. The MC1R mutation that causes red hair is found there;

>The most common MC1R mutations observed here are rs2228479 (V92M), rs885479 (R163G), and rs2228478 (T314T), which occur at frequencies of 15.4, 4.5, and 22.3 % in the resequenced sample, respectively

This snp causes;

>https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs2228479
>rs2228479, known as Val92Met or V92M, is one of several SNPs in the MC1R gene commonly associated with red (or blond) hair and poor tanning
>The risk allele is rs2228479(A), compared with the wild-type rs2228479(G) allele

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>>127753404
>So, you're incorrectly quoting the paper now..
He directly quoted him you bullshit artist.

>>127762703
See :
>>127766317
Actually sourced information : They were non-royals from the military who came to power coincidentally around Egypts decline.

This is becoming too fun.

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>>127737071
THAT DNA TEST IS RACIST

DNA IS RACIST

YOU ALL ARE RACIST

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>127762950
Getting blown the fuck out so easily :
>> 127766317
http://www.crystalinks.com/dynasty19graph2.jpg

Looking this fucking dumb.

>>127766540
Your claim is that the non-royals, aka whites in this case, were in the Egypt military forces. If egyptians were black, then why would they have white soldiers?

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>>127754448
>As a side joke, it would be like sampling Europe's blood line a hundred or so years from now when they are all mudslimes and saying that's what ancient Europe was like.

Comparing ancient migration levels to modern day migrations. God damn you're a brainlet.

>>127764128
Okay ..
> http://oi52.tinypic.com/2nbynlt.jpg
> http://static.omgvoice.com/images/2016/09/14123530/Melanesian-6.jpg

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>>127764242
You're welcome to look into the sourced mummies champ :
> https://www.nature.com/article-assets/npg/ncomms/2017/170530/ncomms15694/extref/ncomms15694-s1.xlsx

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>>127760703
>>127760703
>so much of the world has been ruined by shitkskins. The Middle East used to look like Assad. Now it looks like poo in loo.
>Anybody that doesn't look European is an Arab
Source. Also, Syria and Lebanon are unironically the same people and Assad is quite literally your average Syrian with those ears, curly hair, and that facial structure - even light eyes are not rare but not common in Syria. And fucking arabs are literally the lightest population in the Middle East stop with this fucking stupid meme.

>>127760061
Actually Minoans/Cretans did trade with Egypt ALOT and influenced some of there culture but this was some time in the 2n millennium BC iirc. The mitochondrial DNA is not 'European' but neolithic btw and it can explain pre-historic migrations but not genomic makeup which most of the people here are concerned with. And it's kind of a reach to say that Greeks settled in in Egypt (Early Antiquity, of course) when they clearly record that Egyptians were thriving already and influenced their art etc. That and the fact that they say the Egyptians are darker than them but they themselves are darker than the Scythians (north of Anatolia).

>>127763666
One thing is clear, you don't have even a basic understanding of genetics or the shit you're posting on here.

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>>127765005
>If you do not have a graduate degree in Genetics, please stop talking about Haplogroups and mitochondrial DNA as if you know wtf it is or what is speaks to.

Yes, stop larping.

>>127767450
>>127765940
Yes I got the age wrong. All this thread made me is unsure about ancient egypt. They could be blue and that would make as much sense to me now.

>>127766317
>Lots of bullshit attempting to move from the paper to muddle the waters.

Focus brainlet.

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>>127764656
> Throwing 'Ancient Egypt' around in a scholarly paper published in Nature magazine as if there isn't an accepted time range for it :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Egypt

> Being this fucking dumb
> Nature magazine publishing committee being this shitty
> Attempting to pass modern periods of mixing in Egypt off as Ancient thus colluding on such an intellectual farce
> Knowing the average idiot wont go and look at the supplimentary data to find out these aren't Ancient Egyptian mummies
> Knowing the average brainlet or shit-tier academic will think this is a pedantic matter
> Being that fucking idiot on 4chan
> Being (You)

>>127737071
North Africa was populated by Greco-Turkic/Levantine peoples for centuries before the Arab Invasion took place.

The we wuz theory is just that, a stupid internet theory.

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>>127764857
>Mean while you point out something wrong with study that could potentially work in favor of his stupid ideology and he's still at your neck.

That's how compromised goys are.
I actually give reverence to the jews for how well they are able to bring this out in them.

The jews really do a number on white guys w.r.t to the way they :
> Only upholding truth when it tilts in one's favor...

Gotta give them credit for shit-testing white goys on their hypocrisy.

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>>127766770
>More irrelevant nonsense

Waiting for your paper to Nature.

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>>127767417
>You're welcome to look into the sourced mummies champ
Back to arguing the definition of Ancient.

>>127765687
Iberia was colonized by Phoenicians and some Phoenicians mixed with Iberians. The Carthaginian man's European mtDNA doesn't prove that Phoenicians were European. You need to genetically test the Phoenicians who lived in the Levant

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>>127767665
>One thing is clear, you don't have even a basic understanding of genetics or the shit you're posting on here.

Indeed, stop larping.

>>127752885
Go to the southern states, when there is no carnival, otherwise you will be robbed and shot
unless you're fucking rich, therefore you can afford security and come visit Rio
in both cases never enter a favela or any of these slumbers

in june and july we have some decent redneck parties also

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>>127765687
> Neanderthals
> Iliad and Odyssey
>Your arguments are pretty solid. I can't stand that. Surely those nearderthals swimmed to form Magna Grecia but, poor of them, how the heck could they reach Egypt?

Not understanding Pre-dynastic / Pre-historic history and its flow into the settlement of Egypt.

Referring to :
Iliad and Odyssey as if it correlates to the 1000s of years of history and dynasties that had already transpired in Ancient Egypt

> Trying to make a point
> Thinking you have a strong basis so putting your point into smart-ass remarks
> Having no point or basis and showing how fucking stupid you are
> Being (you)

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>>127768280
>conjecture the post

Brainlet, you will never get published on Nature. All this larping is embarrassing.

>>127767834
Well the study doesn't really confirm anything, we can't say anything about 'Ancient Egypt' based off a couple mummies but it does give credence to the idea that they weren't predominately black but definitely not European either. Not surprising at all given the fact the neolithic people in Anatolia and the Balkans were responsible for the spread of pottery culture throughout Europe.

>>127765925
> Observes someone use illogical conjecture
> Presents a more sound conjecture
> Watch them ignore or not challenge the logic of the proposed conjecture
> Watch them laugh as if they are on solid ground
> Understand why they are this dumb and have no common sense.

>>127766517
I directly quoted.
If we both quoted, how are the quotes in conflict?
Go to the links dumbass. Further, If you used 1 brain cell to understand what the quote meant, you'd understand that it could have been only stated as a Hypothesis or conditional.

>>127765492
>The first genome data from ancient Egyptian mummies

>The study, published today in Nature Communications, found that modern Egyptians share more ancestry with Sub-Saharan Africans than ancient Egyptians did, whereas ancient Egyptians were found to be most closely related to ancient people from the Near East.

>The study found that ancient Egyptians were most closely related to ancient populations in the Levant, and were also closely related to Neolithic populations from the Anatolian Peninsula and Europe.

>The data shows that modern Egyptians share approximately 8% more ancestry on the nuclear level with Sub-Saharan African populations than with ancient Egyptians.

https://phys.org/news/2017-05-genome-ancient-egyptian-mummies.html

Even if the guys claiming Egyptian ancestry in this thread are not any better, since I don't think they would consider themselves Middle Easterns otherwise.

We actually were kings.
/pol/ was right again.

>>127744765

>Modern Egyptians share more sub-saharan african DNA than ancient Egyptians did

Hahahaha Arabs are niggers

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>>127769249
>Not understanding Pre-dynastic / Pre-historic history and its flow into the settlement of Egypt.
More larping. Appealing to your non existent authority. A fallacy wrapped around you're stupidity. You're devolving into brainlet levels no one knew existed.

> Having no point or basis and showing how fucking stupid you are
Being so much a brainlet that you don't see how idiotic you are.

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>>127764180
You dis a racists, punk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQpPuYANyA4

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>>127766962
I actually didn't claim anything beyond what is formally and historically known which is why I provided sources to just about every comment I made :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_ancient_Egypt

During the Intermediate periods (the periods of time between Kingdoms) government control was in the hands of the various nomes (provinces within Egypt) and various foreigners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos
In the New Kingdom new threats emerged. However, the military contributions of the Hyksos allowed Egypt to defend themselves from these foreign invasions successfully.

The Hyksos (/ˈhJksɒs/ or /ˈhJksoʊz/;[3] Egyptian heqa khaseshet, "ruler(s) of the foreign countries"; Ancient Greek: Ὑkσώς, Ὑξώς) were a people of mixed origins from Western Asia,[4] who settled in the eastern Nile Delta, some time before 1650 BC. The arrival of the Hyksos led to the end of the Thirteenth Dynasty of Egypt and initiated the Second Intermediate Period of Egypt.[5] In the context of Ancient Egypt, the term "Asiatic" – which is often used for the Hyksos – may refer to any people native to areas east of Egypt.

Egyptians Documented their history very well. The average brainlet here obviously knows nothing about it. I'm just slowly tightening the noose.

Foreigners and their origins were documented.
Foreigners came and populated the empire during known points in history.
This shit tier study is centered around that period not ancient egypt. This period was the period that marked Egypt's decline.

Do you understand what I am pointing out yet?

>>127765622
I agree

>>127768589
I don't think Ancient Egypt was predominately black, but I think it's fairly obvious that there were several black dynasties. Yes, the study is not enough to make any conclusion on the people in general but I still believe in what the study suggests on their neolithic origins. Basically I agree with you on the agendas behind some studies and their lack of any scientific evidence for claims (especially in the media) but if what you're getting at is that they were negroes: I respectfully disagree but am open to the idea even if there's no "evidence" thus far and the idea is bizarre to me.

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>>127769452
>> Presents a more sound conjecture
>Conjecture
>Sound

Do you have a nurse taking care of you? You really shouldn't be allowed access to the internet with this level of stupid.

>>127737699
Of course the triggered Refugee German hybrid is mad about this

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>>127769346
With (((quality))) like this paper, I'm not sure that's saying much.

>>127747735
How retarded

>>127769249
I'm rather confused about the nature of this whole pissing match but if we're talking early, early Minoans and Phonecians using boats reach and settle the Nile Delta and becoming Egyptians vs. sub-saharan Africans coming up the Nile the former frankly seems much more likely

>>127764717
Because of the migration due to crypto-religion. My ancestry stretches german>english>french>irish/scot>US.

It's odd how many relate.

>>127745587
>Why is history important?

Seriously asking this fucking question?

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>>127746665
Haha white race is kinda justified as being better than black races or why the fuck do you niggers so desperately want to be white lol. Your shit genes will assimilate eventually but ive never met a white girl who isnt laughing about these spics behind their backs so your lifes are false. Find yourselfs nice fat arse black women eh? Instead of feeding the dumb white slags up instead. Wierdos!

>>127767665

Well, the paper agrees with me in it's title;

>Ancient Egyptian mummy genomes suggest an increase of Sub-Saharan African ancestry in post-Roman periods

As I listed in >>127763666, H and T are both common in Europe, and date back well before Roman times. M is ancestral to Europe.

I'm done defending it against you. At one time, I was as liberal as you are now.

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>>127770416
>Says Nature study is bullshit
>uses Wikipedia as his authority

We're you a feral child?

>>127770600
>>127769452

kek

>>127737071
>Turkish

They mean Anatolean, AKA: Hittite AKA: Indo-European AKA: Aryan.

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>>127770532
> I don't think Ancient Egypt was predominately black, but I think it's fairly obvious that there were several black dynasties. Yes, the study is not enough to make any conclusion on the people in general but I still believe in what the study suggests on their neolithic origins. Basically I agree with you on the agendas behind some studies and their lack of any scientific evidence for claims (especially in the media)....
You can stop here and this is where we agree.

You can't say this :
> but I think it's fairly obvious that there were several black dynasties
and then contradict yourself with :
> but if what you're getting at is that they were negroes: I respectfully disagree

Put the bias out to pasture and the story becomes clear especially if you go through the various dynasties, note the peak, note the beginning of the decline, and note when the native peak dynasties began declining with the introduction of foreign dynasties as marked as :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Kingdom_of_Egypt


> Possibly as a result of the (((foreign rule of the Hyksos))) during the Second Intermediate Period, the New Kingdom saw Egypt attempt to create a buffer between the Levant and Egypt, and attained its greatest territorial extent.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos
were a people of mixed origins from Western Asia

There's your mixing. There's your non-native blood lines. This going forward are where the mummies of this study are sourced from. This is where the decline vs over-expansion and military rule began... Where ancient egypt ended.

Enjoy your evening.

None of you are kings today. None. None of you reading this have accomplished anything of note. If your ancestors were kings, you have some failure explaining to do, for your devolution does your ancestors no honor.

How can a king devolve to a roach?

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>>127771925
Race doesn't even exist. Check mate, cuck.

>>127737071

B-BUT

KAAAAAAANGZ