Brit/pol/ Keeping up Appearances Edition

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Vote for brexiteers doesn't matter which party

>>127704894
>required to be offered
Top fucking lel.

It also won't change a thing whether they're in trade unions or not (other than the fact that we'll have foreigners involved in our domestic politics, which is absolutely out of the question). Just look at the turnout for the recent election. Something like 12%. Not even the paying members give a flying fuck about unions.

>who are you voting for and why

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what did she mean by this

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Mummy smashing it.

My experience of uni at the moment, the STEM subjects have more right-wing students in

Nobody bothering to update the links then?

>>127705135
Jews have very high IQs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fj-HtQSkFE

>labour
>knowing anything about costing of policies

choose one and only one.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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>>127705135

Are we the jews now?

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Nth for Comrade Cuckbyn

>>127705056

Presumably you're a guy commenting on another guy's appearance. Makes you no better than a woman and therefore a faggot. On 4chan of all places. Disgraceful.

loved listening to the students whine on 5live this morning about how they simply can't follow the election because muh exams

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Imagine if the SNP Manifesto cover was used by Lab/Cons or UKIP there would be an outcry at the lack of diversity.

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>>127705039
Hello

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Mugged* by reality

*actually raped, tortured and killed

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>>127705247
good meltdown going on right now

>>127705182
>people there to actually get an education and a well-paying job are more conservatives than those spending £30,000 of other people's money on a piece of paper and 3 more years of getting drunk before landing a shelf-stacking job at Aldi
stop the fucking presses

>>127705320

>italians

>>127705321
Next Rhodesia

>>127705182
There are definitely more right-wing people in STEM than social sciences/humanities - but most are still lefties.

From my experience the only subject that is over 50% right-wingers is economics.

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ANOTHER BRITAIN IS POSSIBLE

THE SOLUTION IS SOCIALISM

REMINDER that brit/pol/ is a BASED Mercantilist thread

>also welcome
Fashy goys
Traditionalists
High Tories
Lolbertarians as long as they're willing to be laughed at

>not welcome
Socialists
Communists
Neoliberals
Anyone who thinks wind farms are a good idea
Anyone who thinks corporation tax is a good idea

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>>127705305
Yet they've somehow got time to call into a radio station and talk bollocks. Fucking hate manufactured 'anxiety' and busyness, and how 'stress' has become a fashion accessory.

>>127705338
Theyre fucking cultish in their support of him

>>127705451
I think corporation tax is a good idea but we should keep it very very low.

TREESA on Sky right now laughing like a autist.

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remember to let poor old jez have a break every now and then yeah guys?

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>>127705451
corporation tax has to be pro-growth not ideological

It's at 17% atm, Corbyn wants to make it higher than France and Greece ffs.

>>127705101
saw Kate, Nige and Davis all at gateshead on the campaign trail, was a great period of time

>>127705586

How can he be tired when there was no campaigning last week?

>>127705182
I actually saw an article yesterday that stated that students get more conservative the more economics classes they took. Like, economics students were more likely to be against a minimum wage.
Kinda interesting but not unexpected.

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>>127705039
>Daily reminder that mass immigration is not due to left wing idealism, but due to economic interests of the elite to get ununionized and easily exploitable labour
>Daily reminder that Corbyn has said his policy will bring immigration down

>>127705338
>vicious interview

Lmao she literally just asked him how much it would cost

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>>127705338
>>127705470
Stole the words right out of my mouth, it's a bare-bones fucking cult at this point.

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Professor voting intention 2015. Source is The Times Education Supplement.

This is why the Overton window is rigged against us. In Thatcher's day it was 38% blue.

>>127705586
Hold on Juncker, can't negotiate a deal just now, our PM is too cranky and needs a nap

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Have a gander at this lads.

http://ht DOT ly/yEU330c9dVA

>>127705451
Hang on a second lad.
There are (or were) some decent lefties here. Designated Leftist was a good poster. YKTD seemed to support old-school socialism.

The problem isn't necessarily lefties, it's the shills. As long as you can defend your argument properly (and assimilate to our board culture instead of constantly spamming, disrupting, and shitposting), then you should be welcome to post regardless of your political orientation.

>>127705594

Fucking stupid Labour voters.

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>>127705451
The problem is that we will never see sensible policy in the West because we are now far to diverse. The more opinionated and adverse we are, the more we pull towards the center and the current trajectory solidifies.

Read like the roman and see Enoch Powells futile attempts to introduce common sense into policy, constantly undermined by career politicans for whom catchment areas for voters is far more important than actual principled policy designed to benfit the nation.

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>tfw YKTD returned but you missed it

>>127705415
It's a shame these fuckers aren't taken more to task for enabling the tragedy in Venezuela.

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>>127705338
THE RIGHT WING TORY PROPAGANDA FACTORY OF THE BBC STRIKES AGAIN NOT WITH MY LICENSE FEE

>>127705627
>Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has said he stands by his view that immigration to the UK from the EU is not too high.

>He told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg migrants played a valuable role and he was not proposing new restrictions on the rights of people to come to the UK.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38561501

>>127705644
anything less than fawning sycophancy towards corbyn is evidence of vile right wing bias

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>>127705627
FAKE NEWS

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35455023

>>127705736
Daaaaamn

>>127705594
Holy shit, look at those vicious Labour scum voters.

>>127705795
W-when?

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>>127705736
>tories level with greens in business

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>>127705795

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Have YOU taken the Empirepill yet lads?

>>127705901
>When whitey makes you poo in loo

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What did you just say about our generation's Shakespeare you bigoted ignoramuses?!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/869527049278550017

SPICY

>>127705973
>autarky
wasnt that what HITLER wanted you fucking nazi

Holy shit, didn't realize the Carol Kirkwood pics are out... damn!

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>>127705861
>>127705947
>tfw only anonymong noticed him
>>127687040
>>127687040
>>127687040

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hey bongs what would happen if this was its own country?

>>127705161
economics > sociology

>>127705627
>unironic commie Finn
Extremely disrespectful of your own history desu

I found out my 3 year old wasn't mine about a year ago- when she was two. I wound up leaving the mother of the child and, for a time, the child.

After a few weeks of being on my ass and in a horrible place I kind of realized it didn't matter what the biology said. I stayed broken up with the mother but I took her to court for visitation. Now I have my daughter half the time and I've never once regretted it. The most challenging thing has been my families reaction. Several members of my family strongly disagree with my decision which has created friction. But at the end of the day I respected their choices to be involved or not be involved.

It's hard to explain it to some people and I don't know how I'll explain it to my daughter when the time comes- but I know I've had a positive influence on her and that I'm a good dad- and more importantly that I want to be a dad. It's just about the only thing I can truly say I'm good at.

The whole ordeal has made it clear that biology, to me, is overrated. When I look at her it's true that I don't see a child that looks like me staring back- but I see myself in her mannerisms and her speech patterns and her budding sense of right and wrong. The parts of me that are in her are so much deeper then her skin... And that's what matters to me. Watching her step over an ant pile, look up at me and say "We don't step on ants. They're friends" or listening to her exclaim "Balls!" when she drops something is a lot more satisfying and important then the color of her eyes could ever be.

And I have faith that when she gets older and I've had that conversation with her she'll see that I'm her dad not because of a function of law or a biological link- but because of the single best choice I've ever made.

>How would that affect today’s polling? The 12-point Tory lead in our poll for the Sunday Mirror / Independent extends to 15 points using this modest methodological change.
>This is potentially significant: in an election fought along presidential lines, leader perceptions matter more. We also know that one in three current Labour voters intends to support that party despite misgivings over Jeremy Corbyn – so when undecideds consider their decision on polling day, it is quite possible that the party with which a voter most identifies will be less important than how they rate different leaders.
>What does all this mean for the current campaign? Very simply, if voters behave in the way they broadly did in 2015, then the Conservatives remain on track for a 100-plus majority. This seems, on present assumptions, the most likely outcome. Older people appear more motivated than younger people to vote, most of UKIP’s 2015 vote is going to the Conservatives (and that Party is not even standing in around half of all constituencies), May beats Corbyn on most ‘best for’ measures, and Labour’s core vote lacks motivation.

>>127705586
Low energy Jez(!)

>>127705973
pretty good ideas
was just listening to mosley talking about matching productivity and consumption

>>127706081
it would be a shit country

>>127706081
Cider and morris dancing

>>127706149
Sounds delightful

>>127706107
>in an election fought along presidential lines, leader perceptions matter more.
wow what a crazy coincidence that this happened who could possibly have predicted it. brb watching a televised leaders debate

>>127705973
We don't enough colonies for autarky anymore.

We should be more like Japan in trade strategy.

>>127706081
>only one port
it would have to pay tariffs on the border or become third world shithole

>>127706114
FAILED FASCIST
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>>127706149
>Cider

>>127705736
Literally zero UKIP

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>>127706149
And Birmingham

>>127706047
>people unironically think Russel is doing anything important

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>>127705320
>Being irish

>>127705627
Inheritance tax is literally theft
>muh unearned wealth
fuck off, someone earned it and ALREADY PAID TAX on it

>>127706269
Business and Law.
>>127706299
Fuck off. we're full.

https://strawpoll.com/cbw7a65

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>>127706101
>ass

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>>127705320

>>127706269
I think some must be in the closet. 1% in business and law.

>>127706366
wheres the spoiled vote option

>>127706299
it is always good to have your views reinforced by a famous person, if only the left in america had used this tactic more maybe we wouldnt have president ronald zlumpf

>>127706318
It's perfectly (and abhorrently) normal to be taxed multiple times on the same earnings.

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>>127706372
L-Lad, what did Barbara mean by this?

>>127706364
>>127706396
You're quite right, I'm blind

>>127706318
Inheritance tax is the biggest load of shit

>that person has money they didn't earn
>therefore we should take it away from them and spend it on someone else who also didn't earn it
Utterly moronic

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>>127706461

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>>127706372
>realized
To be fair, language is no longer an indicator of national identity anymore, in the eyes of many - see how vigorously pakis and other ethnics lap up Americanisms

>>127706427
Basically not voting

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UKIP???

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>>127705415
>another world is possible

yeah and that got wrecked in 1945

>>127706101
I have a two and a half year old and got to say if I were to find out she's not mine any time soon, I'd still insist on bringing her up.

But she looks identical to me, so she's definitely mine. And the fact that the mother is my girlfriend and I know she hasn't ever cheated.

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17% of brit/pol/ are voting labour

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what the hell was she thinking?

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>>127706575
F U C K I N G
D R O P P E D

>>127706461
>>127706575
cuckolds out

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>>127705736

STOP DOING FUCKING SURVEYS AND GIVE ME A DECISION ON MY POSTGRAD APPLICATION REEEEEEEEE

>>127706628
OH
MY
GOD

THE DAILY MAAAAAIL

>>127706610
but anon not voting lumps in people who are apathetic, there's a pretty clear distinction between not voting and spoiling

>>127706591
>realized
Not an Americanism

http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2011/03/ize-or-ise/

Pedants BTFO

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>>127706506
bless him

he's not a professional politician and doesn't know what to do in photo oppertunites

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>>127706685
can you trust a shill NOT to rig a poll

come, on, how new is u?

>>127706575

Obvious modelling shot there tbqh

Defective willy-posts

wILlY
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>>127705308
SNP are /NazBol/

if I draw a cartoon of mohammed on my ballot will they be able to trace it back to me and throw me in jail and accidentally leave me in a room with 5 jihadists unsupervised?

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>>127705320

what is this?

>inb4 map of Britain

is this voting intention or some shit?

have a rare comfy pepe for answer

>>127706262
he was waiting for an emergency that didn't come
he couldn't have predicted the slow death

>>127706739
Spoiling lumps you in with the retards who can't fill in a box or draw cocks everywhere and Snapchat it to the lads and nandos for epic lulz.

Voting is pointless whatever you do.

>>127706692

It was the 80s.

>>127706747
>Implying Oxford aren't Yankcucks

>>127706818

Nope she's on Hamilton's yacht after the Monaco GP.

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>>127706818
y-yeah, sure mate

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Why did capitalist parliamentarian democracies get so utterly BTFO by hitler speeches?

>>127706817
What distinction are they making between "cultural nationalism" and "civic nationalism"?

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>>127706591
>see how vigorously pakis and other ethnics lap up Americanisms
tfw your country is so degenerate it makes nig tier people halfway around the world.

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Having great fun on twitter calling Labour supporters anti-semites and watching them try and squirm out of it.

>>127706747
>we all use -ise in our country but muh book says we invented it randomly

Just stick with it you daft cunt - or do you not want your own national language to retain form?

>>127706877
i dont think someone will go on a political poll online and fill in to say theyre too retarded to tick a box

>>127705320
Moray isn't going Blue, not this time atleast. Rest of Scotland seems about correct, with the possible exception of LDs taking Edinburgh West and SNP taking Edinburgh south

>>127706833
it litter-really says 'voting intention 29/5' goofball

>>127706817
that PJW doodle is pretty good

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>>127706737
..er..readers! TOTAL NAZIS!

>>127706817
>>127706685
Reminder not to trust fake polls

>>127706833

It's a shitty Italian opinion. Based on uniform swings.

Those using postal vote, has yours arrived yet?

Mine's yet to make an appearance, getting worried now.

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>>127706877
>snapchat
>lads
>Nandos
>'epic lulz'

One of these is not like the others...

>>127707097

Mr Patel got it by accident and has voted Labour for you don't worry.

>>127705736
>Business
>voting labour
>fines on companies who pay their staff over £80k
>increasing minimum wage to £10 an hour
>business levies agains profits
>ban zero hours contracts
>wants to borrow £250billion for a national investment bank
>manifesto doesn't even include the cost of nationalisation
I would like to see how successful their businesses are

>>127707097
Yes, it arrived early last week

>>127706944
western chauvinism

civic nationalism as applied is code for multiculturalism/integrationism

it's when leftists and socialists try a pitch to our base

>>127707097
Mine hasn't turned up either, even though I've checked I'm definitely signed up for a postal vote. Had the same issue with the local elections and brexit vote and had to go in person. Pretty sure Birmingham City Council are fucking up somehow

>>127707137
they're university professors, they don't have businesses or any contact whatsoever with the market

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.

>>127707137
>anon is only now realising that the adage 'those who can, do, and those who can't, teach' is entirely true
It's alright lad baby steps

>>127707197
>>127707097
>>127707134
They're cutting out the middle man and just marking every postal vote as labour now

>>127707197
>Birmingham City Council
oh don't worry, I'm sure those people that REALLY need their postal votes will get them in time
*double checks your surname is on the white people blacklist"

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>>127707097
Don't worry, Labour has your vote for you, there's no need to worry. Aren't they nice, sorting it out for you? Go thank them.

>>127707242
>>127707259
You would've thought that they could only become professors after they had been successful

>not going in person to vote, grabbing 10 ballot papers, using your X stamp and quickly sticking them in the box before they can stop you

>>127707137
>wants to borrow £250billion for a national investment bank

You dont understand how quantitative easing works. Government has 3 ways to fund its expenses:
>1. Taxation
>2. Borrow money from big banks, who get the money from central banks
>3. Print the money itself by having a publicly owned investment bank

Option 3 is banned by EU. Now when you have done Brexit you can choose Option 3, also known as "peoples quantitative easing".

Japan does a very similar thing.

>>127705039
My dog is German
My coffee is Colombian
My IT is Indian
My car is English
My food is Italian
My TV is Japanese
My diamonds are South African
My licorice is Australian
My computer is Chinese
My wine is French
And I am an American.

Why can't Brits just accept that multiculaturalism and globalisation benefits everyone in the entire world, including third world countries?

22 dead Brits is nothing compared to the carnage you guys caused in the Crusades.

Why do government groups now have plus at the end of them?

Job Center Plus
Library Plus

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nofap has made me incredibly black pilled

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>>127707398
>You would've thought that they could only become professors after they had been successful

>>127707137
you know what they say: if you can't do...

>>127705254
We jews now

>>127707456

Because there are regular Job Centres.

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>>127707398
>You would've thought that they could only become professors after they had been successful

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>>127705039
Hi Britain-san

>>127707432
But we only print money for the (((banks))) because they're the ones who really deserve it

>>127707197
Birmingham City Council here, I got mine 6 days ago

>>127707432
He said he wants to fund it through the issuing of government bonds though

>>127707486
>>127707520
Didn't go to uni, I guess it shows

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>>127706879
1992

>>127707540
I'll give them a call tomorrow. If it doesn't turn up though its not the end of the world anyway. Only about a 5 min walk to the polling station, I just hate actually going outside and potentially having to interact with people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40xXJRYjXj0
y'all watched this?

>>127707633

Same difference.

>>127707437
My pasta is stale.

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And on the eighth day God stood back to admire his craft. He smiled. His wife turned to him and said, "Boring," and "You're just no fun anymore, Yahweh." Yahweh, reflected on this. He remembered all the crazy things he had done in his youth and smiled. "This will amuse you endlessly, Lilleth, he said, and waved his hand and it was done.

>>127707437

>0.000000001 Shekels have been added to your account

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>>127707549
Yes and those bonds are bought by the central bank.

>>127707534
Labour with its peoples quantitative easing would break the banking cartell that has the access to central bank money. It would be the biggest shift in financial world since dollar was removed from the gold standard.

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>be me, watching May vs Corbyn battle on SkyNews
>message a commie twink to have some debate whilst wathing
>tell the corbynista my natsoc opinions
>twink coincidentially gets horny and starts asking me about kinks
>I ask him his
>He is into being cuckolded.
>He is uber submissive
>I get free n00ds

And after that, well, the debate was won.

Can anyone tell me if last weeks HIGNFY was worth watching? I normally iPlayer it. But not sure I can take Ed Balls hosting modern day Hislop and Merton with Janet Street-Porter and that unfunny German as guests for 40 minutes.

>>127707137
don't forgot the cherry on top:

NATIONAL MAXIMUM WAGE

>>127707432
UK bond prices will fall to reflect our financing and borrowing will become expensive. Other countries will dump out currency reserves in anticipation for inflation. You haven't thought this true.

>>127707197
Just checked my council website and they were only sent out on Friday, still time yet

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>>127706275

MOAB

>>127707792
>he conveniently ignores the posts proving that Corbyn is pro-immigration

>>127707529
*pats head*

>>127705794
Wrong. Non whites still constitute a significant majority - believing it's "too late" is a successful ongoing psyop to ensure people remain docile as they're being herded to extinction.

"You can't say this these days" and the like is also a form of brainwashing to ensure self-censorship.

Most likely nothing happens if you find your balls and explain your point without autistic screeching and rambling about how "jews control everything"

>>127707792
Direct stimulus (helicopter money) would be much less effective because there's no banking multiplier. It doesn't simply go to banks out of spite.

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>>127707874

>>127707807
>wanting nudes from a wet batty boy
Fucking state of you lad

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>>127707807
congrats you're a horrific sodomite

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>>127707960
Yay Britain senpai noticed me!
Also, who's going to win the election Britain San?

>>127707792
>Labour with its peoples quantitative easing would break the banking cartell that has the access to central bank money. It would be the biggest shift in financial world since dollar was removed from the gold standard.

Pretty sure Jeremy dropped the "people's quantitative easing" policy though? I've not heard anything about it from his manifesto

>>127707627
not at all, the mistake you made is that you used logic to try and understand the modern education.

>>127708069
Mummy May!

>>127708127
- system.

>>127707480
I am now post nationalist. Fuck this country, fuck the people in it, fuck everything.

>>127707838
>UK bond prices will fall

Not if the central bank buys them. The idea QE is to push up bond prices, PQE is pushing up government bonds.

Neither PQE, taxation or debt is perfect however. Theres a risk of inflation, that benefits those that are in debt and hurts debtors.

>>127708069
The globalists.

Punch up in a car park when?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtqE9tid_7M

>>127708069
whoever wins, we lose.

>>127708069

conservatives will will low, contrast Italy

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>>127707696
88 to 92 covers one of the biggest cultural shifts in the western world.

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>>127707919
Asked about immigration, Corbyn says he is not going to put a figure on what it should be. The Tories have done that at the last two elections, and it has been a mistake.

He says Labour will not allow firms to bring in low-paid workers to undercut British workers.

He says there is disgraceful undercutting going on at the moment.

He says Labour would also set up a fund to help communities affected by immigration.

Q: Will immigration go up or down?

Corbyn says, under managed migration, it certainly would not go up.

Corbyn says immigration would not go up under Labour’s immigration policies.

"Labour is the party of social justice" Jeremy Corbyn. People voting labour are fucking fags.

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Ready to pay 3 times your current council tax lads?

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>>127706275
One day some will do the right thing

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>>127708134
>>127708179
>>127708221
>>127708283
>tfw no election till 2019
although abortion election will be coming soon. Going to vote no to piss the thots off.
I hope abortion doesn't pass so all the feminists get all triggered.

>>127708374
their mistake was failing to reach the targets they set, not setting the targets

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>"Anon, I think we need to have a chat"

What do?

>>127708084
The national investment bank is still there. Its just not a big vote winner, since its bit too complicated for the average joe.

>>127708175
The UK bond market is worth £1.2 trillion. A lot of that is in foreign reserves and private equity.

You play heterodox games with your public finances but leave us out of it.

Leg, ankle and foot is pretty swollen from sunburn. Is it a good idea to go for a run?

>>127708402
Not very 'for the many' of him. Loads of people have gardens, you know?

>The analysis commissioned by the Conservatives shows this would result in yearly tax bill of £3,837 for an average family home in England – a massive 224 per cent increase on the current average council tax bill of £1,185.

>However, in some areas the increase could be much higher based on current values and council tax levels.

>In Westminster local tax would rise a massive 2,300 per cent to £17,413 at the highest end.

>In Birmingham the increase would be 320 per cent to an average of £2,726.

>Meanwhile in Manchester there would be a 338 per cent hike to £2,614.

>One of the poorest council areas of England - Barking and Dagenham - would see hard pressed council tax payers faced with an average bill of more than 500 per cent more at £4,579 a year.

>The LVT plans are also in the Lib Dem and Green manifestos leading to new fears of “a coalition of chaos” forcing huge tax hikes across the UK.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY THINKING

>>127707693
>I'm not very married at the moment
Nige the pussy slayer free and single again

>>127708402
But does it apply to inner London allotments

brit/pol/ discord:

https://discordapp.com/invite/NpGARTd

>>127708515
they're thinking the electorate is too stupid/apathetic to notice, and in a rare occurance for labour, their thinking is mostly correct

>>127708421
is that a coded call for genocide? what do you think GCHQ would make of this?

>>127707792
Japan only uses a similar economic policy to act against deflation. Us using it would result in inflation.

>>127708530
he could easily get back into politics as a Tory once UKIP collapses, they'll want him as an asset

>>127708515
FULLY COSTED SOCIALISM

he's holding his promises

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-support-just-13-per-cent-among-uk-jews-1.439325

(((conservatives)))

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>>127708309
That picture. Kek. Forget "The Bride of Frankenstein" it is literally "The Bride IS Frankenstein.

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>wish I could vote for Sturgoen and I'm not even Scottish xD

>>127707807
This is the most accurate representation of modern Brit/pol/ I've ever seen

>>127707989
Learn to read LARPtard. Diversity was reference to national opinions. Even just factoring in native white Britons, we can't decide on fuck all because the national institutions of Church and education have been destroyed and we no longer have a cohesive national identity.

When everyone pulls in different directions, you end up in the middle. Politicans only give a fuck about votes and the highest yield catchment area is the center ground. Democracy is adverse to change and our trajectory is fully solidified.

>>127708716

get off /pol/ babel

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>>127708704
Not sure if it'll be while May is around, he's been critical enough of her that it could be used as ammunition. Would love to see him in the commons though

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>>127708716
(((conservatives)))

>>127708772
>Learn to read LARPtard.
[projection and poor sophistry intensifies]

go away

>>127708374
>Will immigration go up or down?
>it certainly would not go up.

The implication being that it wouldn't go down either. Corbyn is a worthless cuck and he deserves the disaster that's coming to him

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>>127706833
sauce
http://scenaripolitici.com/2017/05/uk-general-election-2017-29-may.html
Additional map to thank you for the comfy Pepe :-)

>>127708891
I'm talking like a decade on

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Stop eating meat.

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>>127708716
>make criticism of jews and israel illegal
>receive votes
shocking development

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>>127708921
0 arguments.

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>>127708979

Cheers

Biggest problems with Britain
>breakdown of traditional families and values
>mass immigration
Parties that will fix it
>none
Parties that will make it much worse
>Labour
>Lib Dems
>Greens
Parties that will make it only slightly worse
>Conservatives
>UKIP

>>127708402
I'd pay more council tax if I got more things out of it. More bin collections, better policing, better social services, more school places, more parking, better maintained public spaces

Although for 3x the tax I'd expect a fucking lot more

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>>127708456
>Coffee
>Caffeine
>Drugging yourself with immorality in a cup.
Sorry, I don't chat with degenerate druggies.

>>127708309
>88 to 92 covers one of the biggest cultural shifts in the western world
Could you elaborate?

Every day I get more and more depressed about the state of politics in this country. There's literally no party I'm excited about voting for. Maybe its time for proportional representation?

>>127709001
no

>>127709054

I'd expect Germany tier public transport, 90% drop in crime, perfectly smooth roads with no pot holes and a lot more for 300% increase.

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>>127708374
>Corbyn says, under managed migration, it certainly would not go up.
He has said no such thing.

>>127708979
Id put Dagenham as tossup now Ukip has collapsed now and if they concentrate behind the torys they the cons will win

>>127709248
>proportional representation
The absolute worst method of electing MPs in a representative democracy

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>>127705039
"i just pay taxes and follow instructions"

>>127709248
Thats much worse look at Belgium our system is the only one that would allow something like Brexit to happen

>>127709248
I'm excited to vote for the memeiest party standing in my constituency to show my utter disdain.

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>>127709302
try stormfront next

>>127705736
>Anyone voting green, ever

For what purpose?

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>>127709039
>Conservatives
>Only slightly worse
"Not as bad as Labour" still doesn't mean they won't make it much worse.

>>127709329
But at least then parties like UKIP would have some voice. 4m votes and 1 MP is complete bs

>>127709366
i just removed the "never again" or whatever it was originally

>>127709329
Democracy just flat out doesn't work in a diversely opinionated society.

>>127709248
no

>>127708069
government wins every election
in the old world anyway
*pats head* you pat slut

>>127709248
With the collapse of UKIP you'd just get leftist coalition after leftist coalition.

>>127709291
Yeah, meaning I'd be happy to pay that much tax... But I think the amount id want from it just isn't going to happen. We do not have an efficient culture, we have a very half arsed culture, so most of that money would just go nowhere.

I wouldn't mind the basic rate of tax going to 40% and higher rate to 70% if we basically lived in star trek utopia, but under the tories all that extra tax would just go in some Jews pocket or under labour it's just be lost behind the sofa

>>127709420
>getting reamed by endless coalition governments accountable to nobody and bound by no manifesto or campaign promise is totally okay guys because Roger Helmer will get to bring the bants at PMQs once every three months
State of you lad

>>127709500
And how it is right now we get either Tories or Labour every time. 2 shit parties

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>>127709462
Are you a Lib Dem, perchance?

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>wenger
>tories

Why do brits keep making the same mistakes over and over?

>>127709579
My dream would be a left leaning nationalist party that also wants to remove kebab

MY VIEW IS THE FOLLOWING- TECHNICALLY I'M A PAGAN. AND PAGANS BELIEVE THAT CREATION AND DESTRUCTION GO TOGETHER

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I know farron is a plank but I'm genuinely shocked the lib dems are doing so poorly

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commie corbyn when the borders get opened and he welcomes in 500 000 mudslimes

>>127709579
Better results than Germany, Netherlands or Sweden.

>>127709579
Because at least I don't have to deal with the nightmare that is Lab+LD+SNP+PC+GRN all forming a government. I nearly shot myself when that was put forward as a possibility in 2011.

>>127709716
>doing poorly because Farron is insufferable

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>>127708402
>Labour now hates gardens.
Are they pandering to the "I grew up in a block of council flats and think only rich millionaire cunts have gardens" demographic? Eventually they're going to tax you simply for not living in a government-owned communal flat.

>>127709705
Then you're an idiot who needs to grow up.

>>127709624
>he thinks I vote

>>127709775
Yeah that'd get chaotic I suppose. Maybe we should just have a dictatorship instead. It feels like that's what we currently have anyway. They might as well be open about it instead of trying to hide it.

>>127705247
This actually makes me feel sorry for Corbyn, he's just so out of his depth. It's not like Hillary who was evil and easy to hate, he's just not cut out for this. It's a bit like Jeb.

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>>127709716
Their Brexit position is extremist and avowedly anti-British interest.

I know they're a eurofederalist party but damn.

>>127709844
but i love are nhs

>>127709819
>the "I grew up in a block of council flats and think only rich millionaire cunts have gardens" demographic
yes, they're pandering to Labour voters

>>127709248
Better method - voters vote for 600 seats in FPTP / constituency style
Then another 50 seats are allocated based on evening out according to % of total

So in 2015, UKIP may have got 1 constituency seat, but then they'd have got a bug chunk of the other 50, so at least have some representation

>>127709846
Keep saying it and somebody might believe it.

>>127709846
Yeah, you seem underage, it's not a big surprise.

>>127710003
Actually I do quite like that idea. Would definitely make it more fair than it currently is

>>127709552
>getting reamed by endless coalition governments accountable to nobody and bound by no manifesto or campaign promise is totally okay guys because Roger Helmer will get to bring the bants at PMQs once every three months
>Lib Dems and Tuition fees
Keep the big parties in power forever, good guy

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>>127709302
This one isn't.

>>127709968
I know but at the same time, the butthurt following the referendum was so widespread I thought they would pick up so much more support by opposing it. guess the majority of people just got over it because at the end of the day I think most remain voters had no particular reverence for the EU and were just voting pragmatically

Just re read the Corbyn thing lads

3% the value of LAND, not the house. My house is 150k but the land is only 20k.

So my current council tax is 1.2k a year, my land tax after this would be 600 quid

Why am I supposed to care people living in inner city London get fucked again? And not even most of them, high rise flats would obviously split the value of a lesser amount of land. 50 flats sharing the land of normally 5 houses pay 1/10th the land tax

So basically this makes council tax dissapear for people on estates, lower for people not in London, and forces people in London to build higher properties? How is this bad?

I mean you guys will hate Corbyn if he developed a replicators, but can somebody look at it objectively and tell me why this is bad?

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>>127709995
Aye, but do you love our demography?

Eventually the NHS will become like a more European health care model, free at the point of use with private provision. X-inefficiency and producer capture in socialised services aren't just a meme.

NHS won't become a key issue for 15+ year so don't worry.

>>127710120
>at the end of the day I think most remain voters had no particular reverence for the EU and were just voting pragmatically
Nail on the head
Most Remain voters did so for financial reasons
They've gotten over it now that it was all scaremongering.

I bet there's a few million of them who are happy with a Leave result, so long as it works out okay. They just didn't want to vote Leave personally and be saddled with the blame if it all went wrong.

>>127710003
Nice idea but it's not enough. I'd have it 400/200. There is a name for this system, because wales use it, does anybody know what it's called?

>>127710251
new

>>127710103
amazing how easily you can completely change the implication


>i wrote amasing for a second
that one autist complaining about someone else saying "realize" has ruined me

>>127709248
How would PR create better parties??

>>127709716
>genuinely shocked the lib dems are doing so poorly
I'm not. They've built their entire party identity post-2015 (and even more so since the EUref) around being the pro-EU anti-Brexit continuity Remain party.

From the outset that limits them to appealing to 48% of the electorate.
Recent polling suggests that 2 in 5 Remain voters are now on board with brexit and think the government is obliged to see it through. That cuts the number to under 20%.
Remain voters in general slant towards the younger end of the electorate, who have markedly lower turnout rates than older people. Knock another couple of % off for that.
Turnout for the EUref was considerably higher than turnout for a General Election, so barring a marked upturn in voter enthusiasm you can knock another couple of % off for that.

From the outset they're only realistically targeting 15% of voters. I would be very surprised if they broke 10% of the national vote or end up with a net gain in seats.

>>127710120
No. The IEU types are about as influential as a the Socialist Worker's Party. Loud, funded and amplified but resented by all thinking people.

>>127710287
They sort of use it, Welsh voters get two votes though, one for each type of seat. Not sure which method would be better.

400/200 runs the risk of creating hung parliaments again though.

>>127710028
>my arguments are based upon unrelated assumptions with no evidence

Utter state of anonymong Votetards

>>127710442
I<3EU

unicode heart was filtered

>>127710287

It's either the Additional Member system or the Single Transferable Vote thing.

>>127710433
*3 in 10

>>127710099
>posts an example of exactly why I'm right and implies it somehow proves me wrong
What are you on about you mong

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When the bitch uses HP beans instead of Heinz beans in your Full English breakfast.

>>127710714
Domestic abuse is for scum

>>127710807
How very islamophobic of you anon
Reported to GCHQ

>>127710807
>domestic
clearly outdoors

>>127710714
Heinz are gross.
Tesco own brand is the beans of God.