Electric cars

useless for going out of town unless they suddenly start propping up recharging stations

We need battery technology for that. Current li-po batteries used in electric vehicles have shit energy density and are heavy.

I gladly welcome electric vehicles. Electric motors have superior power output and especially torque output to ices.

Plus it slays the oil industry jew, so it's 100% okay in my book

>>127689946
>Plus it slays the oil industry jew, so it's 100% okay in my book
Thats main reason why I want them to get mainstream. It will be pretty interesting how much it will affect oil industry. Tesla has made lot of progress in the battery tech I think? I hope it improves soon

Depends on the cost of gas vs reliability,upkeep cost and accessibility to electric stations.

For example.You buy one of these vs a used car that runs on gas.The used car (older) can most likely be fixed by any competent mech for a decent price or maybe cheaper.One of the new electric cars I would imagine you take to a dealer. Which most diagnostics,at least in my exp,run about 100 bucks right off the bat.

>>127690428
>Tesla has made lot of progress in the battery tech I think?
Tesla relies on government gibs. Everyone else waits for them to use public money to "figure shit out" so the rest can copy and make big buck from it. With this attitude it will take a while.

Electric cars are unfortunately in this mad circle where noone buys them because there aren't many convenient recharging stations and noone builds convenient recharging stations because noone buys electric cars.
Investing in public transport is considerably safer when it comes to financing it.

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Electric cars have a place in market. The bad part is more electric cars = cheaper gas, which = fewer electric car sales.

>>127690739
All it will take is a government policy change. They can tax petrol cars heavily making them much expensier and cut tax on electric cars. It won't take long before you have the infrastructure needed for recharging. Main reason I think its not happening as of now is because US government probably doesn't see it as beneficial. They have significant oil reserves and the oil economy makes their military industrial complex much worthwhile, and also giving them "edge" or upper hand while dealing with oil rich countries.

>>127690428
Tesla is a fucking bubble. Get out of it!
Tesla stocks is worth more than GM Motors today, but they only sold 76.000 cars in 2016. On the other hand GM Motors sold 10 million cars last year.
Tesla is a bubble waiting to burst.

>>127690428
Tesla buys their batteries from LG, Sony, and IIRC Tenergy. The "tesla battery tech" thing is mostly a meme although they are trying hard to build their own cell production facilities. It's still just 20+ year old tech though.

>>127689946
Too early I think.
It will make sense once we have a surplus of electricity from renewable energies, but right now it's
>burn fossil fuels to produce electricity
>use electricity to drive car

Great, you added a fucking extra step and thus a loss of efficiency.

>>127689946
Electric cars are the only way to move a country off being reliant on coal generated electricity because during times of low power generation your car can sell electricity from its batteries back to the grid.


with enough electric car density we could have a grid that could run the night on electric cars alone.

>>127691423
I just got drivers lisence and with my budjet there's no chance i can ever afford a ecar. Fml if government starts taxing petrol cars heavily

They are fine for old women who drive to the supermarket and that's about it

t. hybrid owner

>>127691556
>>127691635
But they are our best bet at electric cars though. And they have significant government support, which means if anyone can succeeds in the industry its them. Also aren't they planning an affordable electric car? One that will be made for the masses?

>>127691693
Its not about environment its about getting off the oil. Coal will and is being replace with renevable energies. but that shouldn't mean electric cars shouldn't be build.

>>127692183
They'll make electric cars cheaper at that time. Currently tech is not ready for the push but once USA gets off oil addiction it will get significant boost.

>>127689946
>single speed tranny
>electronic speed limiters
>no turbo blowoff
>no dorito spinner
>nanny features everywhere
>remote kill switches/ecu access
>must have a PhD to wrench
If they come out with a bare-bones model with a minimalistic closed-shell ecu in a Faraday cage and no lsd/traction control, I'll consider having one in addition to my twin-turbo RX-7 FD3S and silvertop-powered Trueno GT-Apex.

>>127689946
Electric/gasoline cars using the same tech as the Mclarin P1 are the future. Electric motors and batteries assisting a gas engine to make it more efficient and powerful are appealing and a delightful evolution. The straight electric car has a very long way to go to become consumer friendly.

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I hope I do not live to see the day the last gas station closes shop.

>>127693092
this. new cars are all gay, i don't care what it is or how much it costs. even motorcycles are getting cucked.

>>127689946
They're nice for short range commuter driving, but not good for much else at the moment. We need better battery tech or for the motors that drive them to somehow become incredibly more efficient.

>>127693577
>there are people who want to support the oil jew

Keep buying gas goyim

>>127689946
Resource hungry prestige project for wealthy cityfaga. You still need to waste energy on the production, energy to move a heavy vehicle around. You need rare earth metals for the battery, and for the production of battery if you're using solar.

Electric cars like the picture related are not sustainable and they cannot be a solution for everyone.

>>127694738
Aw hell, guess we'll have to put the trolleys back in and people in the US might actually have to TALK to one another. The end is nigh!

>>127689946
Electric cars are socialist, so they must not be tolerated.

>>127693577
>>127694722

It will never happen, it will be the same as with horses

In fact it will be probably the best time to earn a gasoline car in history. Gasoline will be dirt cheap, all those minor roads outside of cities will be not connected to the grid and so, empty, only occasional hobbyist taking a ride

>>127689946
electric powered vehicles? even more of an issue considering these things chew threw the bills, give it 20 years, by then these cars will have a place in civilisation.

>>127693577
these things move slow, unless California has closed all their petrol stations you don't need to worry

>>127694942
reminder that car companies lobbied their asses off to get public transit gutted in the early to mid 1900s so people would need to buy the jewwagons

>>127689946
Too much time to charge and not much autonomy, 250 km and 30 min to recharge 80%, when yo can charge that for a week or charge that in 5 min or less will worth

>>127695091
it's can run on methane

>>127689946
>buy electric car 4 times the cost
>change battery for a price of a normal car every 3 year
sounds like fun to me

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>>127695947
yeah they're not ready to replace cars. Li-Ion is awesome for cell phones, torches and it may also find its way into forklifts. And that's about it at the moment.

Maybe the fuel cell will be used to supply electrical vehicles - the plus is you can store a chemical in a tank rather than needing more microtexture and batterymass for every unit of charge. Of course they also have their problems.

>>127695947
If you take care of your internal-combustion engine like you should, with all the oil changes, transmission fluid changes, brake jobs, timing set, etc., you will be paying just as much if not more. It's a very popular conservative argumentation tactic to pretend that the status quo is free, but it's not.
Electric motors last nearly forever. Electric car batteries also use only the middle third of their charge range to minimize battery stress. I think hybrids are a better idea, or throw a Honda generator in the truck bed and rock on.
>>127696347
Heh, fuel cells... apparently the powers that be want a hydrogen economy. Needs more microstructure

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>>127695906
>it's can run on methane

Hmm...

>>127696347
There are other possibilities, for example graphene batteries, or straight out designing a car where you can replace batteries in 10-15 min.

You would just drive to a charing station, and instead of charging your car you would replace empty batteries with full ones. This however would require infrastructure that makes current gasoline station chains look like childsplay

>>127696593
Thats not true and you know it.I didnt payed 1/6 of the cost of my car so far and its 14 years old this year.Its not about the motors - that dont last forever,you know - its about the battery costing more than the whole car, and you HAVE to change them every 3 year or so if you want more than 30% of the original range.

>>127696738
the physical changing of the battery is a workaround, doesn't mean it couldn't go mainstream, but it's not the ideal solution

and yeah if there are better solutions it's always good. The industry is pretty much waiting it out for the time being. They've developed the fuel cell sufficiently to make it possible to revert back to it if you quickly need to and that's about it.

>>127696738
I want to know why is it better to make heavy car with unreliable battery when you can have hydrogen powered cars without drastic changes in the engine or the filling infrastructure.

pointless to power a vehicle from your house when your house power comes from fossil fuels as well.
Until the grid is supplied by clean energy only wind/water/sun
(fuck Nuclear it's not clean if it produces toxic waste that we just hide inside of mountains)
(fuck natural gas, fracking produces toxic waste water which is worse probably than buried nuke juice)

>>127692598

Lol no. They are a minnow, boutique auto manufacturer.

GM tried, nobody wanted the volt
Nissan tried, nobody wanted the Fucking Leaf.
Mitsu tried, nobody wants a Mitsu.

Also, some anon did the numbers for Aus and we would have to increase electricity production 6 fold if everyone in Aus had electric cars.

>>127695091

Petrol is cheaper now than when i started driving 12 years ago indo scum.

>>127697215
>fuck Nuclear
>Eternal Pom trying to Jew us out of using the largest uranium deposit known to man
Sounds about right.

>>127690094
Pretty much this, no jeep wrangler electric. Also the good ones or maybe just the meme ones are expensive.

>>127696946
I know it's a workaround, but that's the thing. It's a working solution for NOW, even if expensive to introduce.

>>127696986
No idea man. At this point is probably only a cost thing. Hydrogen cells are fucking expensive to produce.
Toyota Mirai sells in nippon just under 70k american, and experts calculated that Toyota loses almost 100k on every car sold.

But if a company can make electric battery cars cheaper and more efficient, they can make hydrogen cells more efficient and cheaper too.

It's probably a fashion thing. Electric cars have Tesla, and Tesla is a new apple for rich normies.


If anything, F1, and introduction of its technology into current gen hypercars showed that even using hybrid technology can make cars fater, better and more exciting. And fucking prius is still being produced. We live in the age of marvelous speed of technological progress, it probably just a question which direction to take.

Like VHS and Betamax, VHS won because it was more popular, even through it was inferior, it was "good enough" until the next big thing arrived. Or the whole BR vs HDDVD war, that was won beacuse of PS3.

>>127689946
Venezuela has a fuckton of oil to be burned pajeet. Help them and burn oil. You could also drive an electric fagmobile. It still burns oil.

>>127697725
Im not talking about hydrogen cells.Hydrogen burns like natural gas and there are currently vehicles powered by natural gas.

>>127693092
Fucking this applies to entire auto industry

>>127691693
>Great, you added a fucking extra step and thus a loss of efficiency.
Burning fossil fuels in stationary powerplant is more efficient than an engine.

>>127698087
yeah pretty funny really, they try to make the car an idiot proof appliance for kindergarden children. Not sure if I like this trend, after all it's still a car and you still have the responsibility over it.

>>127696845
the cost of batteries will come down as more lithium miners come on line

Once you can recharge the battery for 500 km in less than 30 minutes it will be usable

Currently just smug fathers who buy Tesla driving to work to show off

>>127689946
They're a step in the right direction, the further we move away from Wahabi oil the better.

>>127689946

if they take power away from muslim arabs (through oil money) i support them completely if they have good millage per recharge and arent shiny lemon shitboxes.

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I feel like hydrogen cars, with the proper infrastructure, could have all of the benefits of electricity, without the downsides.

>Hydrogen can be produced with water and electricity. A green electricity source means green hydrogen production.
>Cars still use electric motors, which means no transmissions and easy AWD.
>Refuel time is 5 minutes, rather than the minimum 1 hour charge time that Tesla has managed to reach.
>Hydrogen can be produced at a hobbyist level similar to using consumer solar panels to charge an electric car.

The only real problem is that there needs to be refueling stations built for hydrogen, with storage tanks and the like, while electric power is already in place (for the most part). On the other hand, I'm curious if gas stations could just produce their own hydrogen, given utility electrical and water connections, and if it could be economical for such a system to exist.

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>>127689946

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Pretty common around here these days, but it only makes sense as a car number 2 imho.

There are a number of incentives in place like free parking, free on toll roads, charging for free and you can use the bus/taxi lanes.

>>127698613
Hydrogen cannot be contained.

>>127698353
You will still need to change the battery every 3 years or so and deal with the reducing range every day.Its a fucking retarded concept with the design to grab as many cash as possible with the batterys.

>>127698749
Why?There are numerous uses for contained hydrogen right now?Why is it impossible to contain it within a vehicle if there is at least 50 year old technology there to store natural gas?
I tell you whats wrong with hydrogen powerd cars: You can produce your own fuel.

something seems off living in 2017 but still using tech from ~1914

we can go to the moon but cant move a bunch of metal without complicated outdated engines and using fuckton of fuel

>>127698919
I know why is that but you would not b elieve it.

>>127689946
While there's is no tech with 100% efficiency, there will be a lot of loses to produce mechanical energy, convert it in electrical enegry, move electricity to fuel station, "fuel" electric car and convert electrical energy to mechanical.
So, if we imagine simple european country, which changed all it's ordinary cars to electrical analogues there will be huge electricity consumption, which green power sources couldn't handle, and government will need to make more power from common power sources as coal, oil.

>>127698986
let me guess

petrol companies?

>>127698894
>Why?There are numerous uses for contained hydrogen right now?Why is it impossible to contain it within a vehicle if there is at least 50 year old technology there to store natural gas?
Hydrogen is the smallest atom. It fucks right through atomic bonds, even 4 inch thick steel cylinders. That creates huge losses and destroys the benefits and makes the whole thing exceptionally flammable.

>You can produce your own fuel.
No, it's an energy transport mechanism, it's no different from a battery.

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>>127697833
Oh,

HIC units have their problems too bro.
They do not produce CO2, and mostly produce chemically clean H2O, they also produce NOx

Storing hydrogen is also a problem. Natural gas canisters already need to be super thicccc and crash resistant because of preassure and danger all those are increased tenfold with liquid hydrogen.

pic very related, reason why BMW 7 HCE experimental did not get much traction

but it is indeed another possibility

>>127699049
No

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>>127698790
>You will still need to change the battery every 3 years
The Nissan Leaf comes with 8 year/160k km battery warranty.

If their engines yield equal or more watts per dollar compared to gasoline, then I'm all for them...

Nuclear is the answer

>>127699038
>inb4 BUT MUH NUCLEAR

Impossible to finance. Both from the sheer cost and from "not in my backyard" politics.

>>127699100
The car does. You sure it covers replacing the battery as well?

>>127698790
yes.
but you will also be saving from the engine consumable cost. no more oil changes. no more timing belt changes.
even if i only get 70% range i can still live with it. I cannot remember the last time i used a whole tank of petrol in one trip

>>127699100
>160k km warranty
160k km is nothing if you use the car besides going to shop in the city.
I dont drive much but i get 100-130k a year just running around between forests.

>>127699149
>>127699134
Aw shit ten seconds too slow for this fuck.

Come back with a cost projection, ya mutt.

>>127698790
also there is the fact that used lithium batteries are basically gonna turn into a toxic waste bomb because recycling lithium is 5 times as costly as creating new batteries, so as long at lithium can be mined noone is gonna bother recycling

https://waste-management-world.com/a/1-the-lithium-battery-recycling-challenge

>>127699100
A FUCKING LEAF

n tesla was proof that beady brit greed does not allow progress. this is all jokes. enjoy your new iphone.

>>127699233
>no more oil changes. no more timing belt changes.

I can do those myself, or if i'm too drunk 100% of mechanics can do it.

Gotta go to a specialist with your juicer.

>>127699233
You just want to believe there will be no maintenance costs to the engine.If it has moving parts,it needs maintenance.Guess how much will the maintenance cost when you are only allowed to open the hood when you have 4 PHDs from the manufacturers school.

>>127699262
and that gasoline is still 13,000 times more energy dense than the best lithium batteries.

>>127699262
I know thats why i think its a retarded cash grab nothing more

>>127699252
you do 130 000 kms a year?
you are in the minority

>>127699203
Yup.

>>127698629
out of sight, out of mind

https://www.savetibet.org/temporary-halt-to-mining-after-protest-in-eastern-tibet-the-rush-to-invest-in-tibets-lithium/

>>127698919
>something seems off living in 2017 but still using tech from ~1914

>we can go to the moon but cant move a bunch of metal without complicated outdated engines and using fuckton of fuel

thats false equivalency my brother.
Going by your train of though, we went to the moon using XIII century technology, because thats when first rockets appeared.

Even modern Rocketry started in 1926 with Goddard

>>127689946
We are drowning in electric cars. They are generally a bad investment, as you will have problems selling it later. What you gain in fuel money, you loose in repair costs and parts. You can't really do anything yourself either. They are not efficient enough yet, to be worth it. Takes hours to recharge, and you are fucked if you are going far, and there are no charging in proximity. Also, fucking expensive!

>>127689946
i like the idea but the faggots who buy one are unbearable

i mean look at your picture zero emissions

BULLSHIT.

Their was some powerplant some where that made the energy that your car runs on. Be it coal, gas, nuclear, etc.

If they wanted to use actual science and say a conventional car gets 25 miles to a gallon but an electric car can get charged and run for 200 miles requiring no gas that would get attention but it would not be the attention of the liberals who want to be religious zealots and smugly superior about what car they own. They want to drive around and talk down to everyone because they dont drive an electric car.

FUCK SMUG LIBERALS.

>>127699252
Are you for real? 100k-130k is not even close to being normal. That's what taxi's drive in a year.

>>127699397
Well,if you live all your life in a 20km are in the city,130k seems like much,but in rural areas thats literally nothing, under 400km per day.

>>127699067
>Hydrogen is the smallest atom. It fucks right through atomic bonds, even 4 inch thick steel cylinders. That creates huge losses and destroys the benefits and makes the whole thing exceptionally flammable.
Wikipedia doesn't seem to list leakage as an issue in their hydrogen storage page. If you have a source, I'd legitimately like to learn about this issue. Is it specifically liquid hydrogen that leaks, or gas as well?

>No, it's an energy transport mechanism, it's no different from a battery.
Sure, but anyone with electricity, access to water, access to google, and a bit of time can produce hydrogen. You're still spending energy up front, but you're not paying for fuel from a company.

>>127699456
I dont drive in the city.

>>127699469
>400 km per day

What did he mean by this

>>127699422
>Even modern Rocketry started in 1926 with Goddard

and by 1960 humans went into space

now there are space stations

but cars are basically the same since first ford model

just upgrades here and there but the construction is the same, still burning fuel, still using 100 parts, the only major upgrade was automatic gearbox

>>127699543
You drive for 5 hours a day?

?????????

>>127699469
>400km per day
You drive Budapest-Debrecen and back every day? And you think that's normal?

>>127699606
Sometimes i drive from 6 am to 6 pm,3 hours on the highway 9 hours in the forest

>>127699330
and in 20 years time you'll be stripping down an induction motor.

>>127689946
Tesla Model S accelerates pretty quickly because of instant max torque at 0 rpm and also drives fine. That's about it for electric cars.

>>127690094
Your country is way too much spread out horizzontally.

Here in a 400km radius you can go anywhere.

>>127699469
>under 400km per day.

with average 60km/h thats over 6,5h driving daily

unless you are a professional driver, thats kind much

>>127699697
W-what do you do in the forest?

>>127689946
>>127689946
Might help citycucks withair quality, but does nothing for the environment in the aggregate because the bulk of power generation is too far from the high traffic cities.

>>127699764
I designate areas for logging

>>127690199
I'd add that those batteries are fucking expensive, and usually mechanics won't bother taking the whole thing out and charge you for a brand new kit instead of searching the faulty unit and change that.

>>127690199
>Plus it slays the oil industry jew
yeah it's not like you must create energy from burning oil or coal

>>127699533
>If you have a source
Sorry bro, learned it in college. Might learn more in a textbook. I'll look around and see what i can turn up.

>Is it specifically liquid hydrogen that leaks, or gas as well?
Not sure, but if i know my phases of matter, the gas wants to escape a lot more than the liquid, so it might be less. But holy shit is it hard to make and store liquid hydrogen.

>You're still spending energy up front, but you're not paying for fuel from a company.
While that is all correct, the prevailing issue is that you end up using more energy to make and store the hydrogen than you get out of it, and it's still a fireball waiting to happen.

>>127699739
Yeah.My average speed based on the vehicles life is 51kmh accoring to the onboard comp

>>127699728
>>Here in a 400km radius you can go anywhere.
in a fiat though

>>127699903
Oh.
Neat.
That sounds comfy as fuck

I want to see old gasoline cars being thrown away like dumbphones were when smartphones came

>>127699533
>but you're not paying for fuel from a company.
agin you must use power made from coal or oil

>>127699700
Boy i'd rather not.

>>127699903
>T. Badguy in a children's nature film.

>>127698919
to accomplish going onto the moon we used combustion combustion and more combustion

really makes you think

>>127700034
that's almost 8h man, fucking harsh

I like driving, but 8h in a forest every day. Fucking hell

>>127700153
"dumbphones" are still around

>>127700153
Well that's inevitable even without EV's.

>>127700059
Its fucking killing me when where i need to go is right there on the other side of the fence but i have to drive 5 hours on a shitty road to circle around the fence. Believe me,you dont want to deal withthe logger gypsys...

>>127700210
yeah but only old people use them

>>127700194
yeah but in what timeframe

why cars are still retarded tho?

its just a bunch of metal on wheels, does it really need 100s of parts to make it move?

>>127700227
just visit your local scrapyard lol

also people throw away mobile phones all the time, in the future they'll throw away EVs

>>127689946
the oil jew will become weakened so electric cars are good

>>127700205
But there are days when i only have to phone up like today,that makes it bearable.
Electric cars will fail everyone whos using their vehicle for work.

>>127700284
yeah i often see cell phones made by CAT company in the hands of old folks

>>127700284
>its just a bunch of metal on wheels, does it really need 100s of parts to make it move?

Yeah it does actually. Thermodynamics is the asshole though. It demands that only 30% of the energy contained in the gasoline goes to pushing the car. The rest goes to noising up the neighborhood and heating up the engine and the universe.

>>127700443
I have an S40 too -.-

>>127700405
Oil jew is the only reason we can have so many trillions in debt and not go full zimbabwe. You never wondered about that?

>>127689946
good for countries with no oil

bad for Russia

>>127700405
don't forget you're boosting chyna though

>>127689946
The more electric cars there are, the less money Ackmed has to travel here to commit terrorism and rape.

>>127700451
and yet tesla simple motor throws all that away

its a matter of time before we invent something simple and better than a traditional motor, it just wierd it takes so long. its like everybody is content with all this shit

>>127700055
They're cheap, the spare parts are cheap and they're easy to fix.

>>127700500
You change oil jew to battery jew.Its no real change.

>>127699980
Electric has been and is getting more efficient

>>127700542
There is a reason why technology stopped in the 70's.

>>127700014
>but if i know my phases of matter, the gas wants to escape a lot more than the liquid, so it might be less. But holy shit is it hard to make and store liquid hydrogen.
Liquid hydrogen does weird, almost eldritch things. Even if compressed hydrogen doesn't have storage issues, I could see liquid hydrogen seeping out freely, which is why I specified.

>While that is all correct, the prevailing issue is that you end up using more energy to make and store the hydrogen than you get out of it
In all fairness, any time energy is transferred this happens. Even using utility electricity to charge a car battery. With hydrogen, the extra energy lost in the transfer pays for a more energy-dense tank and a quicker refill.
>and it's still a fireball waiting to happen.
Granted, though I'm not sure a properly designed tank couldn't solve or reduce this problem.

>>127700155
>agin you must use power made from coal or oil
Not necessarily. You could acquire your energy from solar panels in your back yard. Splitting water isn't terribly complicated.

>>127700436
>Electric cars will fail everyone whos using their vehicle for work.

definately in hard terrain.

Maybe there will be used for transportation, but the jump in battery life would need to be astronomical

Also heavy equipment, eletric bulldozers or excavators that start losing power so they cannot do their job. This shit will not fly

>>127689946
Electric car batteries are more harmful for the environment since they are more expensive to create and dispose of

>>127700600
tell me then! I need dat redpill

I'm glad we're getting off reliance on petrol so we can stop giving Suadi Arabia endless shekels to spread terrorism around the world, however the next big meme will be China cuckolding us because they have the vast majority of the worlds rare earth minerals needed for electronics.

>>127700542
>and yet tesla simple motor throws all that away
The hell it does. The same losses from transforming the energy apply to the energy in the electric car, except it gets transformed more and has to be transmitted long-distance.

>>127700565
You found a Battery Well up in those woods?

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>>127689946
>boring to drive
>to many safe fucking features
>speed limit, and if you don't want speed limit will cost the battery life
> no charge station system
> too expensive right now, i mean tesla s its 100k $ +
and again boring to drive, i mean i want to hear the engine, when i change the gear, smell of gasoline. and of course a nice interior, tesla s for example have a boring interior.

>>127700542
first electric motor dates to 1823

we probably should invent the next big thing alltogether anyway

>>127700502
don't worry the great thing about greed, mismanagement and backwardness is that you can always rely on it to be plentiful.

>>127700639
And realistically,thats the part where manufacturers make money.I get a new car every 250k km.Cityfolks dont drive 250k in their whole life.

>>127700578
you still have to aquaaire it trough something
and most cost-efficient way is coal or oil
wind farms and sun farms are for ecololo and subsidies
so you will be addicted to coal or oil for looooong time

>>127700708
>You found a Battery Well up in those woods?
i think i found some lithium rock but I need to confirm

>>127700578
cars have also been getting more efficient.

>>127700806
Electric cars are still more efficient so you use less oil in the long run.

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Btw what happened to nuclear cars ...

oh right, nuclear is bad now, also terrorism

>>127700659
Carbattery fags avoid the end of life problem as much as the tobacco industry does the health problems, as much as the nuke industry does the waste problem.

>tfw still no spess magic discovered

>>127700684
China already cuckolded us. They bankrupted all of America's rare earth mineral mining companies.

However, you must be delusional if you think electric cars aren't anything but a meme.

Rather than waste time making electric cars for consumers, making train travel mainstream again would be better in the long run.

This is because no big ass electric trucks will never go beyond the concept stage.

Battery tech will have to solve some incredibly difficult puzzles before electric trucks become mainstream.

>>127700578
Yeah but it can't get over 100% efficient, and in practice 40-60% is probably the max.

>>127700633
>Liquid hydrogen does weird, almost eldritch things. Even if compressed hydrogen doesn't have storage issues, I could see liquid hydrogen seeping out freely, which is why I specified.
Oh the "fuck you friction you aren't the boss of me" thing it does? Yeah you gotta put a lid on it.

>With hydrogen, the extra energy lost in the transfer pays for a more energy-dense tank and a quicker refill.
You'd be hard pressed to present numbers backing that up, i think.

>Granted, though I'm not sure a properly designed tank couldn't solve or reduce this problem.
Reduce? yeah, at an increasing cost and weight. Still there though, and shitheads do not maintain their cars properly.

>>127700674
Technology follows Sigmoid curves, not exponential ones. How could it? Tech is based on phenomena, and phenomena are based on just four fundamental forces, which implies that the total available phenomena are lower than we think, and the total exploitable phenomena are probably 98% known to us already, considering the tricks needed just to keep a rocket from not melting instantly.

>>127700927
less oil, yeah, chip in some coal and nuke instead

>>127700674
Ever heard of the Fermi-paradox?Well,there is a race out there having cracked the theory of evolution by exterminating competition.Thats what they found on the Moon,thats why the footage was faked to cover it up,thats why technology didnt really advanced since the 50's,because if it would,we would have already space habitats all around Sol powered by vacuum energy.But tapping that much energy makes us visible.So whats left for the elites is to dumb down the population and divert technology away from space and energy generation and prepares to reintroduce feudalism.
Its really hard to swallow,but it makes picture whole by answering the question why.

>>127700927
You can stop lying through your teeth.

If you cared about oil, you make trains popular again.

Rare earth mining is also bad for the environment too you know.

>>127700927
no they are not
to bulid electric car you must mine and process lithium
(by the way lithium is very toxic element so there goes your ecolology xD)
after processing lithium you must use an actual power station to charge it's batteries
add resistances from cables and yoou will have overall cost
ohh and you will be able to drive like 200 km

Can't accommodate the distance I travel daily, and the 4wd and camping. Shit greens rubbish. Meme tier tech

>>127700955
No, fission was way hyped up in the 50's, much like fusion is now.

We can only extract energy from fissionable material with a steam boiler like a fucking locomotive from the 1800's.

It scales down like dogshit as a result.

>>127701256
>what is RTG

>>127701072
so basically we discovered how to burn shit and we will burn shit till we discover that things in nature CAN move without burning shit

amirte?

>>127701166
It's hard to swallow because of the timescales involved in evolution. How the hell did our two species sync up at all that we're both sentient and technological at the same time?

>>127700979
>as much as the nuke industry does the waste problem.

well there are some really sophisticated plans for slowly collapsing storages in salt mines, or microbes extracted from chernobyl that actually eat radioactive material

but that would mean we can just safely invest in nuclear until sustainable fussion is a thing, and that means no problem, and problem is what politics gets it's rise off

also massive renevable energy lobby that obongo fed for 8 years

I don't want a car that looks like a gook with buck teeth

>>127689946
The electric car meme is not about ecology. As with many things the government strives for, it's about control.
The combustion engine car being readily available to most everyone in the first world, and its construction being simple enough that you could learn how to keep it going just from tinkering at it a few nights a week is a nightmare for the powers that be, but like the internet, they never really knew how big it would get and let it happen. Anywhere there is a road is a place you could go, and plenty of places without roads, too. At high speeds and by any route of your choosing, just as long as you don't run out of gas.
Keeping tabs on you is hell on earth and costs way more than they'd like. So what then? They make these electrical shitboxes, with limited power supplies and extremely localized charging stations. They put in every effort to make the technology too difficult for laymen to get into, and build the car specifically to make it a bitch to reach into. They integrate "smart" technology everywhere, to keep tabs on where you go, by what route, at what time, at what speed, and have kill switches for any part of it.

It's no coincidence they've been trying to get people to jump to public transport, where you ride a controlled coach over a controlled route, while letting public roads clog and deteriorate.

In the end, they will leave you just your bicycle, which makes it a bitch to transport anything or take effort to go anywhere faster than 20mph.

>>127701072
Technology does advances exponentially.With more technology more can be achieved under less time.Technology rocketed in 100 years from horse to car then from car to space shuttle in another 100 years.That sounds exponentially to me.

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>>127701327
people used animals until the combustion became easily accessable

cars are a mass product, it needs to be easy technology for the common people
because they don't use it to show in a science fare, they just use it practically to move stuff

>>127689946
I guess libfags don't live in north dakota where the are NO FUCKING CHARGE STATIONS. Plus, driving a softcock car like that is like admitting that, yes, you are a two-hole on the inside

>>127689946
Large battery capacity cars still have to be made cheap enough for most people to be able to afford them.
But those cars are going to stay a meme for the wealthy as long as our energy itself is not clean. It's pointless to use electric cars to avoid using fuel when the tires and the energy produced to make it work aren't ecological themselves.

>>127689946
>use combustion engine
>burns fuel to make car go
>inefficient

>use electric car
>burn fuel to make electricity
>store electricity in battery
>get energy back out of battery
>use electricity to make car go
>efficient

More steps = more energy lost

>>127701371
Evolution is not always happening.Evolution needs enviromental pressure to happen.
I dont understand what you mean by two species sync up,we dont go to space and dont tell anyone because they are hundreds of millions years ahead of us in technology and there is literally no chance to reach other stars without asteroided back to the stone age again.

>>127701318
A 3 foot tube with fins that outputs 300 watts constantly at the start of its life and only gets worse from there, and it costs a few million dollars i'd imagine.

Thermoelectric generators are a red queen's race. You will always make more waste heat than energy.

>>127701327
Lol that'd be nice but we discovered the conservation of momentum that literally says "Must always throw shit".

Which is why nobody worth their mortarboard supported the EM drive.

>>127689946
They are shit and overall cost more than gasoline powered car.
everything new that being manufactured today is cost more, car companies want to earn more, so they won't make the car cheaper for maintenance.
if you bought electric car, you fell for jewish tricks

>>127701609
this x 10
>flag
ohh i'm impressed

>>127690199
>>127690428
>>127690484
>>127690739
>>127691419
>>127691423
where the fuck does the electricity come from in your opionin, does it fucking just appear out of nowhere ?

>>127701624
>Evolution needs enviromental pressure to happen.

new cars will come after WW3 then

>>127699100
45 mile range without AC/Heat, those things are useless. Maybe 20 miles on a cold day. Huge problem with battery tech, they drop voltage incredibly quickly in the cold. The leaf specifically discharges the battery to warm itself in those situations, further reducing the effective mileage.

t. Man who experienced genuine female-on-male rape in the back of a dead nissan leaf.

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>>127701601
>It's pointless to use electric cars to avoid using fuel when the tires and the energy produced to make it work aren't ecological themselves.

Is it? MIT doesn't think so. Their math shows that EVs are cleaner even on grid power, because the grid is not 100% fossil fuel powered like a car engine is, and electric motors are six times as efficient.

http://web.mit.edu/evt/summary_wtw.pdf

The fact that EVs aren't perfect where pollution is concerned does not mean they aren't an improvement.

>>127701748
government makes it, no ?
>>127701624
>Evolution
evolution is a meme

>>127701465
>Technology does advances exponentially.With more technology more can be achieved under less time.Technology rocketed in 100 years from horse to car then from car to space shuttle in another 100 years.That sounds exponentially to me.

No we just learned more about chemistry. Where are the 20-60 better versions of the Saturn 5? Why do we still use electricity instead of pure force-carrying particles.

Diminishing returns, that's why. It's also why you don't see lone nuts revolutionizing the free world in their garages or workshops anymore. Takes a massive effort to get any progress anymore.

>>127701624
>hundreds of millions years ahead of us in technology
That seems an oddly specific measurement.

>>127701906

>45 mile range without AC/Heat, those things are useless. Maybe 20 miles on a cold day.

Where are you getting these numbers?

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>>127701933

In you go.

>>127701748

See >>127701914

It's still cleaner, dingus

>>127701914
did you counted ecological aftermath from mining lithium ?

>>127701748
It can come from coal, nuclear, wind, hydroelectric whatever it comes from today. I don't case about that, all I want is to get off the oil industry.

>>127701609

I have solar panels on my roof that charge my EV.

>>127702034

>>127701914

They also only look at CO-2 and not overall pollution. Acid water drainage is 100% clean in this analysis.

>>127689946
Lol perhaps you guys should invent toilets first https://youtu.be/BFjEzNTxxYg

>>127702034

Yes. Did you count the ecological aftermath of drilling for oil?

>>127702131

I didn't know oil production is totally pollution free, that's amazing

>>127700738
>tesla
>too expensive
what, the current model X is about 50 k IIRC, same as most electric high-end cars

The announced model 3 will be quite affordable when it comes to electric cars

>>127702034
Nobody ever does, lol.

>emergy? what's that supposed to mean?

>>127702099
Not for 20 years, technically. You're paying for the electricity until the panels breakeven on their cost.

>>127701996
why are you showing me your home ?
>>127702099
are they connected to the grid ?
most countries forces people that owns solar/wind to redistribute some of that energy to the grid
like in Poland for example..

>>127701681
The EM-drive is not supported because by using it in space you are making basically a bigass radiowave telling everyone HERE WE ARE.Not even mentioning what a working EMdrive means for current scientific dogmas.

>>127694722
this is beyond retarded, gas or what the civilized world calls petrol, is just one pf the byproducts in oil business, you get shit like clothes and make up and plastics and all kind of modern everyday things from oil, also most of it is made into diesel which pretty much powers the whole world, all the industries, generators, everybodys military, public transport etc etc, this all runs on diesel, so if you cut out petrol and replace it with electric power you will accomplish fuck all, cause all the diesel is still necessarry, or do you imagine tanks running on electricity as well ? and nobody is looking to replace diesel, just the contrary, people are investing in findind new ways to produce diesel, like bacteria and stuff

>>127702184
Nothing's perfect. Oil's good because it has the highest EROEI that exists.

>>127702231

That's not what he was talking about originally. He was talking about the number of steps between the energy source and its usage in the car. It was never about the overall expense, that's a new topic.

>>127702270
>why are you showing me your home ?

I assumed you were trying to find your family

>are they connected to the grid ?

Sure, but during the day the power goes straight into the car.

>>127702305

It is not the best from a pollution standpoint however

>>127701624
>I dont understand what you mean by two species sync up
He means the fact that the odds of encountering a species that is not only intelligent, technologically apt and close enough but intelligent, technologically apt, close enough -and- within our time frame are ludicrously small.
In simpler terms

>Yes, there was/is/will be other life out there
>Yes, there was/is/will be other intelligent life out there
>Yes, there was/is/will be other technologically advanced life out there
>Yes, they will probably be extinct by the time we get there or we will probably be extinct by the time they reach us

People keep forgetting we are not just seperated by lightyears, we are seperated by 13.799 billion years. If these species exist, they most likely do not exist within our astronomically small timeframe.

>>127702275
The inverse square law guarantees that only terawatt signals are punching through the background radiation and distance. The EM drive does nothing but heat up its parts.

>>127701953
Honest guess incorporating the fact that probably they didnt advance since they arrived at the top of the foodchain.Its basically your answer where the better versions of the Saturn 5 are.

>>127701914
>The fact that EVs aren't perfect where pollution is concerned does not mean they aren't an improvement.

Yeah, sure, it's an improvement. But it's not that hard to improve, just take a fucking bike, move less, there you go. Better solution already, no technology involved.

But you're going to waste/pollute a lot on energy production with greater needs, unless we fuck off from fossil energy, which is admittedly easier once you have EV's.

>>127689946
Fine in my book, but it's too soon for pure electric cars. Toyota is doing a good job with their plug-in hybrids. As soon as we get pure electric ranges of around 100km on those things, the oil industry is going to bleed heavy.

My dad bought one of them new prius models, which can go for around 50km on electricity alone and he has refueled it maybe once or twice since he bought it.

>>127689946
Government should never have to incentivise use of a new technology.
If the technology is better than its predecessor than people will start using it.
If the technology is shit then the government has to incentivise it.
Or of course, if the government is corrupt and wants to spend tax money on increasing product sales for friendly industries.

>>127702463

People want cars. You get rained on if you bike.

Guys

Guys

What if we flood the middle east and a good part of africa with the use of hydro-electric stations, shouldn't that deal with the problem?

>>127702148
> bulid a drill made from iron
>drill to oil located few metres underground
>burn oil to get high temperature; make steel
>bulid drill made from better alloy
>repeat untiill you can drill to 7 kilometres
in the meantime use a substance that dissolves to co2 and h2o and is reapsorbed to plant matter
yeah i counted it

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>>127701609
As much as I hate the undue hype of battery cars, the quantity of steps is meaningless.
Vehicle combustion engines are less efficient.

As far as getting off of oil. The only way is to burn it all up in sports cars as fast as possible. At that point all the Saudis have is a terrible populace.

>>127702517
I know. This is ridiculous. Still, it'd be better.
We were taught to live too comfortably in my opinion.
Though on the long run, I think public transportation to be more efficient and less wasteful than individual vehicles.

>>127702366
you assumed that i used a sarcasm to find my family ?
>straight into the car.
>connected to grid
pick ONE
>flag
ohh i'm terribly sorry

>>127702396
>pollution
you know that oil burns to h20 and co2 ?

>>127702720
>>127702720
>Though on the long run, I think public transportation to be more efficient and less wasteful than individual vehicles.
Sure, but pretty much no one with the choice of the comfort of a car would trade it for public transport

>>127702608
it is not meaningless. Channelling all the energy through the decaying grid means the transformer stations need to be enforced, there are losses, etc.

EV are like a car in efficiency if you use fossil fuels to generate the electricity.

>>127701963
my buddy collects EVs because he's a rich Occulus Rift jacking ponce

>>127690199
You are right. Current batteries are too unefficient at the moment and in case of a car accident they are very likely to burst into flames

Hybrid hydrogen cars are a much better solution.

turbine powed plants liks 30% efficient in converting energy. gas cars 16%. deisel 22%.
used batteries are a pollution nightmare. there are whole towns in mexico destroyed by lead acid toxic stew. of course the media will never give both sides of the story.

>>127702517
>>127702720

Objective #1 should be to make the vehicle lighter. However you will be the animal struck by roadkill as long as normal vehicles are still around, so not popular. Also generally inferior product.

>>127689946
I think electric cars/trucks would be great for corporations/mid/small businesses who do a lot of back and forth traffic, but as far as personal ownership. no. I DO however like the electric motorcycles a lot.

>>127689946
Need better battery's

>>127702423
Ah.But that depends on thinking species decay naturally.There is as much evidence that a species can survive hundreds of millions of years,as against that.As of the question of distance,look up Dr Hair and Mr Hedman.Their most honest guess is 50 million years is what is needed to have outposts across the galaxys 130 000 ligth years.

>>127703024

I literally can't even shaking why the automotive industry isn't cottoning on to hydrogen. Negligible retooling compared to switching their fleets to EV. Cleaner than any other fuel.

>>127702441
Interesting viewpoint.Yet RF-cavity propulsion is bouncing around since the 50's and all this time it took a homeinventor to force fucking nasa to test it.

>>127689946

Solar energy tech is getting better and it's cheaper than oil as an energy source in some countries now.

Oil will still be a valuable resource for materials, but a free market will move towards renewable energy, and people who work in fossil fuel industries should think about getting educated and trained for electrics to be adaptable for their careers.

>>127703031
>30 %
of what ? "engine" efficiency ?
sauce on this data
on what speed/ witch turbine type ?
what is the cost of manufacturing/replacing bearings what is the expected average output ?
or is this just burger science ?

>>127703201
They like petrol/diesel the best. EV are just marketing ploy and they're not interested in convincing people of the best technology for the pat on the back. Just running with what's popular here. Electricity is in every home so easy to get seal of approval.

>>127690199
Look up glass-sodium batteries. They're in development right now by the same guy who made the lithium-ion battery.
Holds 3 times the charge, charges in minutes, lightweight and not volatile

>>127703031
good post

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>>127689946
That's the gayest car I've ever seen, it even looks as if it's sucking a cock, disgusting !

>>127702816
Yeah. I guess the only way to make that change is coercition. Not ideal, but the issue can't really wait and it won't resolve itself.

>>127703049
Good point. The only way for the change to happen is for "normal" cars to become too expensive in comparison, right? So we need government spendings or financial advantages to motivate people at this point.

>>127702396
So what? Heat pollution is inevitable no matter what energy source you use or how clean it is. The earth can only shed waste heat via infrared radiation because space is a vacuum. We've got 300 years if we continue to up our energy use by 2% a year before ambient temps are sufficient to boil the top layer of the oceans.

>>127703464
and of course thay can be easily mass produce ?
>>127703475
>no data
>good post

>>127689946
Electric cars are for numale sissy cucks living in cities

>>127702449
>Honest guess incorporating the fact that probably they didnt advance since they arrived at the top of the foodchain.Its basically your answer where the better versions of the Saturn 5 are
I guess.

>>127703256
Because it clearly violates the conservation of momentum which is why nobody bothered with it and why it doesn't work.

>>127703464
>Holds 3 times the charge
Only 12,997 times to go until we beat gasoline.

ELECTRIC CAR ARE MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUY ANDMAINTAIN.
IF CAR MANUFACTURER WANT TO SHOW GROWTH IN THEIR REPORTS, THEY WON'T MAKE THE CAR MORE AFFORTABLE THAN COMBUSTION CARS.
SHOW ME NEW THECNOLOGY IN THE PAST 10 YEARS THAT ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY FOR THE CONSUMER, THIS SUCH THING IS NOT EXIST BECUSE OUR ECONOMY SYSTEM IS BUILT ON GROWTH.

>>127703312
is basic combustion engine theory moron. I hate u commie scum.

>>127703780
See thats what im talking about.You dismiss it without giving it time to think about because it challanges the conservation of momentum.Just like Einstein said nothing can move faster than light,yet Alcubierre found a way.
You may got stuck at conservation of momentum as your holy law,but even nasa mentions the possibilty that it pushes on the vacuum plasma, or the finns paired photons theory.

>>127690199
>Plus it slays the oil industry jew, so it's 100% okay in my book
you are an idiot
so instead of oil industry, you gonna have batteries industry(becuase batteries are shit) and the cost of maintain the car will be higher and electricity and charging the car at stations will cost more.
and overall it won't save you any money, might even cost you more the oil car.

>>127704350
I believe the jew when its about money -.-

>>127704350
>it's a jew
>it's making sense

let me guess ... it's a trap?

>>127704323
>You dismiss it without giving it time to think about because it challanges the conservation of momentum.
Because we're using things right now that depend on that law being correct. I'm pragmatic that way.

>Just like Einstein said nothing can move faster than light,yet Alcubierre found a way.
He found a way the same way that Maxwell found a way to create perpetual energy, he invented a mathematical magic bullshit that did the thing the theory needed to work. Maxwell's Demon and Alcubierre's warp drive are rhetorical thought experiments.

You can disprove anything if you just magic up variables.

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Secret Space Jews are flying around in spaceships and using portal technology, while we sit here discussing the possibility of electric cars. Wake the fuck up /pol. Your entire world is a lie.

>>127704794
Just like planes wont fly becaue its heavy and heavy things dont fly.Then someone invented airpressure and tied it to the wings,making heavy things fly.
The beauty of math is it doesnt care if you believe it or not.

>>127705343
>Just like planes wont fly becaue its heavy and heavy things dont fly.Then someone invented airpressure and tied it to the wings,making heavy things fly.
Pretty sure we've had air pressure since before humans, look at pterodactyl.

>The beauty of math is it doesnt care if you believe it or not.
That is true but it is also true that you can't have a square root of negative 1 apples in the real world. Math is a useful abstract, not an absolute one.

>>127705712
I dont think a pterodactyl knew what airpressure has to do with the ability of flight.
Thats the point.Science took a retarded stance,and decided you cant do this or that because this and that makes it impossible, and doesnt consider that there might be something additional that makes it possible.Science reached dogma level in the last 50 years.What a coincidence again.

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>>127706125
>I dont think a pterodactyl knew what airpressure has to do with the ability of flight.
I don't think it needed to to fly. We didn't either, it just helped.

>Science took a retarded stance,and decided you cant do this or that because this and that makes it impossible
Science is a method not an entity, Lord Kelvin spouted shit because he was like 4,000 miles from the wright brothers and didn't keep up with the literature. The wright's had manned unpowered gliders for years before the gasoline engine was invented and they could finally stick a motor on their glider with a positive TWR.

>Science reached dogma level in the last 50 years
If we're wrong do you think it's a coincidence or something that we're able to communicate across the planet with electrons?

Is it dogmatic for you to say that i exist, even though you're only partially sure that i do? That's all science does.

>>127689946
I think their momentum will depend on either some pretty serious and affordable battery advancements OR large investment at different levels of government and private sector to build more public charging stations.

Lately I've been seeing a lot of charging stations pop up around d the greater toronto area and it's making me seriously consider at the very least a hybrid.

>>127700055
fiat is great, shut up bong you don't know shit about cars and maintenance

>>127707833
>fiat
>Fix It Again, Tony

>>127704350
>overall it won't save you any money, might even cost you more the oil car.
I will gladly pay more if it would be clean energy, clean of jews that is

>>127708540
the most efficient solution would be to turn the jews into oil.

>>127708212
Jokes on you my name is Bilal and I come from North Ossetia, where nothing advanced came out from

>>127708813
>my name is Bilal
You litteral nigger.

>>127699697

How many prostitutes do you bury per annum?

>>127699728

Heh, i can't even get to the border of my state in 400km.

>>127704350
>the cost of maintain the car will be higher

Electric engines are very simple compared to internal combustion.
Also no gearbox and no clutch.

So maintenance is far less.

>>127700153

If only they had some sort of 'wreckers' that disposed of old cars.

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>>127708882
got some bad news

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>>127709165
You look like you suck dick on a daily basis to be honest.
You also look slightly over 18.

>>127700443

CAT makes a phone with a thermal imaging camera.

>>127704350
Also simple solution to the Jew problem:

Only charge batteries on sabbath.
Jews aren't allowed to use electricity on sabbath.

>>127709077
this kills the car mechanic

all them Poland posters are a bunch of retards

>>127689946
Electric is the future for most drivers, but the tech isn't quite ready for widespread adoption yet.

>>127709341
Dude looks normal and like he's in his twenties. Are you fucking retarded?

Oh wait, you're from a literal non country, of course.

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>>127709341
>le damage control
24yo, 6"2 88k, guess manlet belg can't handle the bilal
My ex was a blondie belg too sorry no homo


also check those MUSSLE BRO YOU SEE THIS IM HARD AS FOK BRO LOOOL FRIED RIGHT ?

>>127709435
Anything with moving parts is still going to require maintenance.

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>>127689946

>>127709165
Damn you'd be better off as a nigger.

>>127709835
flag checks out

>>127709735
good lord you even have a poodle hair style and too many guitars. Do you cut vegetables with a guillotine too?

>>127709717
>Dude looks normal
Fag detected.

>Are you fucking retarded?
Are you on acid?

>>127709735
My ex was a blondie belg too sorry no homo

Learn fucking English then come back here, yeah?

Also, see >>127710033

You look like a Paris hipster. Who sucks cock. Black cock, that is. Like all sandniggers.

Also, clean those disgusting yellow teeth, will you?

>>127702720

Your 'country' is smaller than the city i live in. You have no idea of actual transport requirements.

>>127689946
Personally i feel that we depend to much on foreign oil so I'm all for it but electric cars still have a long way to go until they can replace gasoline

>>127709435
>this kills the car mechanic

Awesome.
That are all a bunch of con men.

90% of them will literally invent jobs they didn't do but charge you on the bill. hidden cameras have shown this.

>>127710185
Belgium has more roads and far more traffic that your country.

>>127710185
My country also has greater urban density than you, New Zealand.

>>127710238
yeah so with cars that even fewer people understand they somehow won't get away with it anymore?

>Hallo customer! Seems the diodes in your batteries were out of phase and your magnet coil fluid was low! We sorted it out for you, 900 euro plz!

>>127710381

Heh, we have 8 times more km of roads than Lelgium.
Population density makes transport easier you stupid faggots.

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>>127710182
Wow nice, how can i even recover from that ?

Guess i'll continue to cam whore = D

I'm from Lyon you come kiss me anytime

Guess it must hard getting cucked by my superior caucasian genes

>>127710033
Not too many guitars
One is acoustic (folk burgers might say)
One Classical
One electric

How's that too many ?

>>127710871
I love that your mouth is closed in this picture kek

>I'm from Lyon

So all French people ARE arseholes? Fantastic news.

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>>127711008
check those perfect teeths boi
Yes we are ALL arseholes and we piss on your shitty accent
I'm also muslim so that makes it even worse !

>>127711008
Would you like too see the perfect dong now ?
I know you crave it, you're pushing the homo thing way to hard

electric cars are superior.

They only have a few parts in the engine, it literally can almost never break down, only the battery. But 500km is more than enough for almost everyone in europe.

>>127710830
>I failed at geography, where is Belgium located?

Belgium has to deal with a shitload of Dutch, French and German traffic.
That's why you dumb Kiwi

>>127701748
Hydroelectric. Nuclear, Kinetic, etc.

>>127711604
yeah but can that pull a boat?

>>127711455
>Yes we are ALL arsehole
I thought so much.
>and we piss on your shitty accent
Kek I have no accent.

>I'm also muslim so that makes it even worse !
Literally neck yourself. Being a Muslim is even worse than being French.

>>127711531
You fucking attention whore hahahahaha

Go ahead, then. You're either exposing yourself like an attention-crazed faggot or you're exposing someone else, meaning you're in deep shit no matter what you do. I can't wait for you to get in trouble.

>>127691423
The US also depends on people trading US dollars for oil to keep our economy from collapsing so there's also that

>>127710830
They're not a real country
It's just a deposit country for EU
Nothing really happens there, all their authors/comedians/intellectual get their shit to France because they know Belgium is just a hellhole filled with Anglo-Germano-Franco rapebabies

>>127710659
Less breakdowns means less trips to the car Jews.
So less opportunities for them to rip you off.

Warranties on electric cars are also much longer.
I got 7 years full warranty on mine.

>>127711809
why not? I guarantee you in a few years there will be Electric jeeps, landrovers, maybe even electric trucks.

>>127711809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrh0yn9kbPQ

found that

>>127711875
That's some really shit damage control you know that right ?

>>127711907
>Nothing really happens there, all their authors/comedians/intellectual get their shit to France because they know Belgium is just a hellhole filled with Anglo-Germano-Franco rapebabies
Actually, that's the exact contrary. Frenchies come here because they didn't want to pay taxes.
Also: most of our artists are shit.

>>127712151
Go suck a cock you ape.

>>127702808
Did you know that co2 is a greenhouse gas ?

>>127712049
I think that's not even a full electric, but a twin engine hybrid?
ie: it's only using a small electric engine.

Full electric cars have massive amounts of torque, ideal for pulling stuff like boats over short distances.

>>127703201
Hydrogen has really low energy density. They wouldn't be able to make highway speeds.

>>127712305
>our artists are shit

>Hergé
>Magritte
>Jacques Brel
>Benoît Poelvoorde
>Django Reinhardt
>François Damiens
>Audrey Hepburn (ok britannique mais née à Ixelles)
>Yolande Moreau
>Stéphane De Groodt

I could go on and on

How does it feel to be schooled by some French Muslim boi ?

>>127712767
did you know plants turn Co2 in to oxygen, you fucking retard

>>127705712
Electrical engineering uses roots of negatives.

>>127689946

Only rich people can afford electric car. But why buy this slow pice of shit and not some new BMW? If you rich you dont care about fuel prise! And untill =electirc price, no-one will by them

>>127710979
Because they're grandpas guitars.
it's unbarrassing.

>>127689946
Remember that bullshit in "Atlas Shrugged" where they grew neat-o Soybeans instead of actual foodstuffs?

That is precisely the crisis electric cars with crappy parts are going to cause.

>>127713093
Did you know we turn that o2 back into c02?
God, you're fucking dumb.

>>127712980
>Benoît Poelvoorde
>François Damiens
>artists

choose one

>Django Reinhardt
>Belgian
Try again you nigger

>>Audrey Hepburn (ok britannique mais née à Ixelles)
Then she's fucking irrelevant

Also, I said MOST. Not my fault if you can't fucking read.

>>127713240
>why buy this slow pice of shit and not some new BMW?

This will surprise you but we actually enforce speed limits.
So there is little point in a car that can go over 130km/h.

What does matter is acceleration.
And there electric cars are King, especially in your typical stop and go city traffic.

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>>127712946

>>127712946
Depends on how hard you're compressing it. At 700 bar (the standard pressure for fuel-cell cars), it's quite energy-dense.

Fuel cells are a waste of time though, for cars at least.

>>127712946
>>127713943

I mean even on octane scale compressed hydrogen is rate at 130 compared to gasoline being from 85 to 105 depending on additives

fucking Saturn V and many other rockets used liquid hydrogen + liquid oxygen as their fuel in at least one stage.

It's literally rocket fuel

>>127713943
>per kg
So you have to electrolyse water for hydrogen, then you have to compress it.
Significant energy loss right there.

>>127714536
But that is not energy density

that is total energetic waste trail in the system, you also need to drill and refine crude oil untill you get gasolline

>>127714750
>drill
Moving rock doesn't use much energy.
>Fractional distillation of gasoline
With by-products!

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>>127715522
With oil it really depends on the type of oil field you're drilling.

Some oil fields have excellent return on energy investment.

Shale oil and tar sands (which The Donald wants to invest in) has terrible return on energy investment.

Also wasting some wind or solar energy isn't a big deal.
On some days there will be an excess anyways, so why not convert it into hydrogen?