What is your solution to young men dropping out of society?

Gas the Jews

There isn't really a solution other than giving them a reason to stay plugged-in.

I'm a gay male with a low sex-drive. I have a stable job and a couple of friends. I have literally no reason to pursue marriage or have children, other than the mild intrinsic desires, which I don't seem to have trouble overcoming. Society has granted me all of the superficial material pleasures I want. So yes, I'll live and die alone, but I won't feel that I'm missing too much because I was born a faggot anyone.

Weak men will blindly follow pussy.
Strong men will compete for it.
Want to change society get more of:
Lauren Souther, Faith Goldy, Tara McCarthy, Brittany Pettibone, Kat Timpf, Laura Ingraham, Lana, etc.
Neckbeards will say they don't have original thoughts, with some merit. The fact remains that women define communities, men nations.

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>>127680023
>>127680066
>>127680206
>>127680253
>all these Canadian posts within seconds of each other

sage

>>127680023
gas

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>>127680253
>muh women are the answer to men dropping out of society

Fucking leafs no wonder your country is so cucked.

>>127680206
Gay men usually have good genes. Convincing them not to marry and have children while pursuing their degenerate lifestyle on the side was the greatest Jewish trick of our lifetime.

>>127680523
No the HoloHoax was.

>>127680523

Their biology damns them to a live of either solitude or degeneracy. It can't be neither and it probably won't be both.

Which do you prescribe?

>>127680665
solitude.

>>127680023

Get them jobs with good pay, the rest will fix itself.

>>127680665
Gay men got married and had kids throughout all of history while blowing each other in bathhouses. They should probably get back to doing that. Gay identity is kind of a meme and a lot of gay men end up mental trainwrecks because of it. Just my two cents.

>>127680523

That makes no sense. Of course gay men don't marry and have kids. Think about what you said for a minute.

>>127680206
are you me but Canadian?

>>127680206
>>127680918
GTFO fags your not welcome here.

>>127680918
>human history started in 1980 when coming out gained acceptance
Sweetie no.

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>>127680507
You couldn't tell from Trudeau?

National Socialism

>>127681188
/Thread.

>>127681084

I'm not gay.

>>127681088

I didn't say that. This is about biology, of course gays don't have kids and get married. They are gay and if they aren't forced to do it they won't. I'm against degeneracy but I don't believe in forcing them to do something like that.

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>>127680023
Nothing... deal w/ it.
They're fine.
Tired of these threads.

> Society gets it shit together
> Stops exploiting people to high hell
> People rejoin society

See.. ez.

>>127680023

"Return to traditional Christianity" is pretty much the catch-all answer to all of the societal issues that /pol/ is concerned with.

>muh european paganism

Even if paganism taught sound moral virtues (it doesn't), you're not going to convince people to convert en masse to your neckbeard rock-worshipping cult.

>>127680023
Give nerds more blowjobs.
Not like star wars and video games type nerds, but like silicon valley nerds, lawyers, doctors, etc.
That way you would incentivize that kind of productive behavior.

>>127680801

That's my life so far. Trying to mentally prepare for the next fifty years. Falling into alcoholism.

>>127680909

That's true enough. I have a friend who plays the role of my "female companion" at family events. But where are there bathhouses anymore? I thought those disappeared in the 70s.

>>127680964
Perhaps.

>>127681084

I don't remember asking if I was welcome.

>>127681254
>I didn't say that. This is about biology, of course gays don't have kids and get married.
You do realize most older gay men have an ex wife and kids, right? The idea of living your life full gay is a relatively recent phenomenon and to be totally honest detrimental to the overall gene pool.

>>127681084
you're *

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States

We aren't the ones (yet) that are giving away our country or large swathes of it to latino's.

>>127681429
They disappeared because everyone who went there got AIDS and died. People seriously thought HIV was a divine punishment for a while there in the 80s and 90s.

>>127681277
>Christianity
>Derivative of Judaism
>Which is a reformed polytheistic religion
Wow big difference there you delusional Abrahamic retards. The jews could've chosen any one of their favourite gods and you would be worshipping that god now.

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>>127680253
Sorry no.
Pussy is pretty much free.

The only reason pussy has value is because pussy produces kids.
Outside of bearing a child, a pussy is a wet hole.
Sport fucking pussy = jacking off or fucking silicone. Same feeling. Same result.
Silicon Waifus don't produce kids.
Roasties don't either.

> A wife whose loyal who wants to raise kids has value
> A roastie cum bucket = silicon waifu

Strong intelligent men don't compete or chase cum buckets. They sport fuck and get on with their day. More optimally, you can sport fuck your hand, silicon waifu, or fleshlight. Evolved man sport fucks 2d waifus or 3d silicon waifus.

Dumb/weak men chase and compete for cum bucket roasties.

Biological waifu that produces kids and loyal = only thing worth expelling energy on .. until there are artificial wombs.

The definition of skrong evolves. Normies are always behind the curve. Techies always leading it and ahead. Get some optics on this post .. It's a hard red-pill.

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>>127680507
I mean, they are, but not in the sense that that cucked leaf is talking about. Mobilizing male labour isn't a matter of getting them to compete, that's what they're already doing and it's why the losers dropped out. Men within a nation competing for mates just doesn't work, it's not how civilization functions. Orderly, patriarchal mate distribution is simply the finest way to achieve male cooperation, labour, and reproductive discipline.

>>127681429
Faggotry is either just a chemical imbalance or a mental illness.

>>127681445

Can you show me some proof that most of them have an ex wife and kids? I know a few do, but I really don't agree with your idea of forcing gay men these days to have kids and get married. Times have changed, complaining about it on /pol/ won't change it. If you want kids with good genes, try to get a Chad interested in you.

>>127681644

Good thing they chose the real one, then.

>>127681607

Right. They didn't understand the correlation between bareback sex and AIDS.

>>127681692

If homosexuality is a chemical imbalance, and heterosexuality is, by default, a chemical balance, then you're admitting that free will is an illusion and we are defined by unconscious chemical processes in our biology.

Homosexuality has been observed in literally hundreds of animal species. It serves a function in almost every one. Humanity is unlikely to be the exception.

>>127681686
If your talking about 1 man and 1 women husband and wife yes I agree but that doesn't really have anything to do with young men dropping out of society that is just a way of keeping a level playing ground and keeping social order .

>>127681686

But women can always fire back by saying that it's their right to get fucked by as many Chads as possible, and it's not fair to force them to be with the losers. Your response?

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>>127681950
>Homosexuality has been observed in literally hundreds of animal species
*as a behavior. As an innate character trait, it is a contemporary invention with subversive intent.

>>127681702
I'm not going to go hunting for stats now about the fertility of gay men stratified by age. I'm merely noting overall historical trends. It's not a value judgement against gay men per se. Fact of the matter is they used to get married and have kids a lot more than they do now in our era of normalization and to be totally frank those are a lot of (usually white) good genes that are being removed from the gene pool. Take it however you like.

>>127681950
>Homosexuality has been observed in literally hundreds of animal species. It serves a function in almost every one. Humanity is unlikely to be the exception.

Ahhh the old it happens to animals so its ok if it happens to us too meme please both animals and humans can be retarded that doesn't make it a good thing and no I don't deny free will humans can do whatever they like fuck men but that doesn't make it right and not degenerate just because you can do something doesn't make it right.

>>127682110

I'm not gay, I just don't think we should force them to have kids and get married because a woman on /pol/ wants kids with good genes. I've met older gay guys before who have kids and an ex-wife. But things have changed and I can't support restricting someone's freedom like that. Some statistics would help though, to get some perspective.

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>>127682002
Equal mate distribution has very much to do with men dropping out of society. Sex is potentially a stronger motivator than food. Make it easy for as many men as possible, and they'll work to maintain it. Return us to our baser natures, and we'll do our bare minimum once more.

>>127682074
Cold and harsh? 10,000 years of civilization has been built upon the wisdom that women's desires are not important, are detrimental, and must be subverted. Take from that what you will, up to and including the supposition that the majority of men up to the turn of the century were rapists.

Actually civilization demands that we ALL subvert the animal urges (men, too, would prefer to build harems), but here is the key difference: it is only men who get together, conclude this fact, and agree to abide by it. Women do not conclude or agree with the necessity of elevating oneself above the animal urges without male intervention. Every single distinction between man and woman stems from this.

>>127681649
im with leddit spacing guy here

>>127680253
>women in politics at any level

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>>127682419
I'm not a women m8. Some gay couples seem to be into adoption or even fertilization with a "donor" mother but of course that's a whole other can of worms. Either way the impact on the gene pool is palpable.

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>>127682419
You again, I see now the problem is that you continue to be lodged in the classic liberal misunderstanding of individualist primacy.

Prior to that framing mechanism, and present at the creation of every civilization in the history of our species, was a much different framing - that of the primacy of the family unit. The classic liberalism meme, which underscores all political debate, is designed to make impossible any discussion on the greatest, most cherished values that mankind has grown with.

>>127681950
>>127682278
There are (2) genders and 1 is meant to fuck the other and have off spring anything else is a degenerate mental disorder or chemical imbalance its not "close mindedness" its biology.

>>127682098

Your pic makes an absurd argument. It claims that because gays never demanded marriage and equality before, that they somehow fit into the traditional metric of good society. That's a ridiculous premise that seems to ignore the fact that homosexuals were very blatantly and unabashedly punished (read: killed) for admitting to homosexual behaviours.

Yes, the romans had man-boy love associations and considered it comparable to a boy-scout-like comaraderie today; the older male was a mentor, rather than a rapist.

That the picture conflates homosexuality with gay pedophilia is another point of contention. The Bible clearly, explicitly declares homosexuality a sin. Christian societies, therefore, considered homosexuality a sin. Don't act like everyone was cool with gay people for hundreds of years, and then for the first half of the 20th century it became a social issue. Gay were routinely banished, tortured, or executed for being gay. There is no debate about that.

Now, please, oh, please tell me the difference between a behaviour and a character trait. What separates one's behaviours from one's character traits. If you saw a man getting fucked in the ass by another man, and then he told you he was not gay, would you believe him?

>>127682660
>>127682278

Your definition of "right" seems to be synonymous with "conducive to procreation." If that is your standard for "right," than many cases of rape are right as well.

>>127682471
Wtf are you talking about I already said that I agree with you and understand the importance of 1 man and 1 women for social order but what does that have to do with this we already have that unless your talking about cucks that really isn't relevant

>>127682634

Whatever the impact on the gene pool is, I can't support what you propose.

>>127682636

What are you going on about? I don't support forcing people against their will to live lifestyles they don't want to just because some autists on /pol/ think they can tell other people what to do.

>>127682970
But I just explained what it has to do with this. You said:
>that doesn't really have anything to do with young men dropping out of society
and then I explained how it has to do with men dropping out of society.
Is there perhaps a part of your phrasing that should have been reconsidered? I'm not sure what you're looking for.

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>>127680206
>born gay
>literally believing a talking point desperately created in the 80's for the gay lobby to counter the right's argument that you can change your sexual orientation back to the way it was before based on no science whatsoever

>>127682899
Well let me put it this was fag a man is not meant to fuck another man he is meant to fuck a women hence why she has a vagina and he has a penis .And for a man to want to irrationally want to fuck someone of his own sex he either has a chemical imbalance or has a degenerate mental illness.

>>127683087
I know you don't support that, believe me. We have experienced over two hundred years of intellectual elite spuriously arguing that love and freedom are no different from permissiveness.
The product of course has been generations of dependents. The nasty truth is that we may have discipline imposed upon us, or we may be set free from any and all institutions of refinement and inevitably find ourselves depending on entities like governments for survival. That is the ultimate folly of the classic liberal notion of freedom:

You may have freedom from guidance, or you may have freedom from dependence. We chose the latter, and we chose wrong.

>>127683095
Im saying it doesn't have anything to do with it because we already have 1 man and 1 women unless you leafs really are all cucks and can't get a wife because most guys here can. So how can something that we already do be the solution to a different problem your not making sense.

>>127683167

This is just a sheer display of ignorance. Really.

>man is born with dick, woman with vagina
>therefore man is "meant to" fuck woman

>man's dick does not get hard in front of woman
>therefore man has chemical imbalance or mental illness.

Do you not see how ridiculous that logic is. If you put brain biology on a pedestal, you have to take it whichever way it comes.


Read a little bit and learn a little bit about biology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

>>127680023
remove women from the workplace. men's pay doubles, and women have to actually depend on them again. this gives men an incentive to be productive. also, get rid of contraception so that people have to practice sexual morality again.
>inb4 muh niggers
remove them as well

>>127683087
>Whatever the impact on the gene pool is, I can't support what you propose.
"Encouraging" gay men to go back to living a lie (for a little while) and passing on their genes while eventually going full gay is a lot less damaging in terms of societal impact and eugenic reproduction imho. It's not as if a large chunk of them don't want kids anyway. Only problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too and raise children with two fathers. Children need mothers.

>>127683383

>Let natural selection take it's course, enabling people to do what they want and if they are strong, they will survive longer regardless of their degeneracy, and if they are weak, they perish quickly

Or

>Force people to do things their entire lives they don't want to do because autists on /pol/ with control issues think they can tell other people what to do because women want kids with good genes and we must always give women what they want at any cost

I pick the first one.

>>127683392
Oh, I get you now.
No right now we have a corpse of a notion once called marriage. This is a monogamous pair bond, but it is NOT an enforced monogamous pair bond. The social setup we have right now bypasses the fundamental purpose of marriage, which was to curtail the critically important sexual relations between the sexes.

Marriage today is not a commitment, in fact violating the contract and ending it is incentivized.
Marriage today is not a guarantee of anything, there are no sexual obligations going into or continuing on through marriage.
Marriage today is not linked to sex at all in fact, and the animalistic harem behavior of humans free from imposed reproductive discipline that causes this mayhem in the first place is free to carry on.
So marriage today cannot do what you and I agree marriage should be doing. Thus, men are not incentivized to invest in one, and are therefore dropping out.

>>127683680

But again, you're a nobody on /pol/ with no power, so why should gay men be forced to do what you want? Times have changed, they don't have to do that anymore. I disagree with you because you are essentially trying to take control of their entire lives and make them do something they don't want to do.

>>127683559
>remove women from the workplace
But Anon., how else can I convince my wife and female acquaintances to give me breathing room without bribing them with jobs?

>>127683680

And say you're a male who wants to raise children, but who believes that a child should be raised by two parents who are married, and who believes that a divorce will be catastrophic, and believes that if he gets divorced, he will be blamed for it because he's a faggot.

What should such a faggot do?

>>127683799
Hell is for ever!

>>127683799
I'm bouncing ideas around. If you want to adhere to religiously to whatever the slightly left of center dogma of the day is you should probably stick to reddit. Either way the genetic impact of gay men not reproducing should be definitely be looked at.

>>127683552
ridiculous? Its not ridiculous its common sense and logical. Sorry if basic biology is too hard for fags to understand.

>>127683821
break the washing machines and make the fuckers work at home.

World War 3

>>127683682
>they will survive longer regardless of their degeneracy
This is in fact not true. Survival is ideal within civilization, civilization is the product of civility, civility is defined by self control, and therefore hedonism, natural selection, natural behavior in general, are all anathema to civilization.
You are discussing the use of animal politics to guide a human abstraction, and there is a reason you cannot name a successful civilization that began without the enforcement of institutions of discipline over the animal behaviors.

>because women want kids with good genes and we must always give women what they want at any cost
Oh, no, I wasn't arguing that point. I'm >>127682471 but I responded to >>127682419 with >>127682636 because I saw the same issue with your framing present in that point. My point is still about the restriction of female sexuality, although interestingly enough you'll achieve point 1 if you permit women to pursue point 2 by proxy.

>autists on /pol/
You trot this line out, even though you know I'm discussing the Cartesian point of 10,000 years of human civilization and the notions discussed and furthered by the greatest men to ever live. Is this perhaps a deflection?

Jokes on you all
I am on my way to get out of society in human interaction matter while keeping benefits like ability to buy food, earn money and have access to any and all services
t. Forest Keeper in training

>>127683821
>convince
"Do what I say or you starve."

>>127683752
Well this is a tricky issue because when men do go out and get married 50% of the time women divorce and take half is shit so there isn't a risk reward for getting married which needs to change. Its all the anti men laws that causing that problem. For exp even if a man is just accused of being a rapist he faces repercussions

>>127683928
I dunno breh divorce rates are through the fucking roof anyway, women get divorced these days if you sneeze at them wrong. A women divorcing a man who was gay all along would probably virtue signal about it on Facebook about it how she was #sobrave for freeing her gay husband of heteronormative reactionary patriarchal oppression

>>127680023
Gas the moose niggers. Leaf war now!!!

>>127684060

>ad hominem

Address what I said. Either brain biology tells us what is right - ie. that a man should fuck a woman - or it doesn't. Pick one. Having it both ways is hypocritical and disingenuous.

I'm not opposed to traditionalism. I love the society we are currently losing. I admire men and women who raised families with a mother and a father and good values and stern discipline and defined gender roles and all the rest. But my biology does not allow me to live that life without being a fraud.

>>127680023

That picture is not young men dropping out of society. That's young men being social. I realize that leafs wouldn't know the difference because you spend all year hiding from moose inside your log cabin and don't have friends, but come on.

>>127684259

Exactly. As much as I think I would live a more meaningful with a wife and children, I cannot justify the risk of entering a legal partnership with a woman.

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>>127684200

>in the woods
>"access to any and all services"

pick one. And where you gonna put all the money you make, the fucking tree bank?

>>127684556
actually, I will put it in the jars and dig it somewhere
also, 3 hour drive to get some supplies is not too much for me, so I still have access, but delayed a bit compared to city scum

>>127683974

>I'm bouncing ideas around. If you want to adhere to religiously to whatever the slightly left of center dogma of the day is you should probably stick to reddit

It's not about being a leftist. You're a nobody on /pol/ trying to force others to do something they don't want to do, and I'm just reminding you that it's a pipe dream. Gay men no longer have to do what you ask of them, so they won't. Why not increase the incentives for straight men, particularly Chads, to reproduce?

>>127684146

>This is in fact not true. Survival is ideal within civilization, civilization is the product of civility, civility is defined by self control, and therefore hedonism, natural selection, natural behavior in general, are all anathema to civilization.
>You trot this line out, even though you know I'm discussing the Cartesian point of 10,000 years of human civilization and the notions discussed and furthered by the greatest men to ever live. Is this perhaps a deflection?

I know what poster you are and I am merely saying that nobody on /pol/ has the power to force anybody to do anything, and if you dispute this point you are wrong. Try to be as bitter as you want about it, tip your fedora as much as you want, it's still a fact. I'm not saying being gay is OK, I'm saying it's not OK to force them to have kids and marry women if they don't want to.

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>>127684242
Right, but the fundamental reason those laws were agitated for was to subvert the purpose of marriage because it flies in the face of what women are biologically inclined to do and psychologically inclined to have an impossible time overcoming. The solution isn't to just "change anti male laws" because that won't fix the fundamental problem of women racking up divorces and being free to enter a marriage contract that does not require any return obligation, in particular sexual obligation. We've explored that the main purpose of marriage is to incentivize male labour through guaranteed pussy, but there are no vectors to this remaining.

The brutality of it is that this isn't tricky at all. We have to go back. We have to undo it all. We have to undo Feminism, we have to undo suffrage, we have to get rid of the entire broken philosophy up to and including the classic liberal revolution that resulted in the belief that we exist to fuck around sucking down Coke and McDonald's for 80 years until we die and anyone who imposes on that is a criminal. The idea that the purpose of a nation is no greater than to allow a collective of unrelated strangers exist without any requirement or guidance on the fact that they'll need to have something to do with one another.

Marriage is legally binding. The woman submits to the man. A woman is to retain her chastity until marriage. There may be no alternatives.

>>127684242
It's not tricky at all. Repeal the 19th amendment, ban divorce entirely, make adultery a felony, and permanently ban unwed mothers and their bastards from receiving government aid of any kind. Poof, done.

>>127684364
Buddy when i say right I don't mean morally right morals don't decide this biology does and like i said men are meant and to fuck women and vice versa if a human irrationally wants to fuck someone of its own sex it either has a chemical imbalances or a degenerate mental disorder. homosexuality is by no means normal in humans or animals and if they were they would cease to exist it happens sometimes sure just like sometimes people are born retarded but that doesn't mean it should be accepted.

>>127680023
Global warfare.

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>>127684724
>nobody on /pol/ has the power to force anybody to do anything
This is unrelated to a discussion of how things ought to be and is a sidestep to the points presented. Drag it back to /pol/ all you want, but you'll look back in time and forever be left without an explanation as to how this progressive belief of yours has never once been present and accounted for at a time when the chips were down, the veneer of society was worn off, and men were called upon to be at their greatest and build the final frontier of human achievement.

Let society collapse. It is diseased and rotten to the core, and the only cure is fire.

>>127683132
this.
Fags and weirdos will always run back to this contradiction though. Sucks no one cares about consistency or truth.

>>127684765
Repealing the 19th amendment delegitimizes your government by its own highest decree of law.
It's not tricky, but it's not that simple. Making things right will take blood in the streets, and if we're lucky, our countries will have different names by the end of it.

>>127684818

I said nothing about morality. I said that if you think that brain biology determines that a man "OUGHT TO" fuck a woman, and vice versa, than you have to accept that brain biology also determines when a man "OUGHT TO" fuck another man, because both instincts come from the same place.

You have not provided a shred of evidence that a chemical imbalance has anything to do with it because you haven't described what a chemical balance is, or provided any evidence thereof.

Similarly, you haven't even defined mental disorder, let alone presented evidence that homosexuality is an example of one.

Define "normal" for me please. What is normal, what determines it? Who decides it? What actions demonstrate it? What outcomes validate it?

Pregnant giraffes have a long gestation period. Males in the herd, in order to express their sexual aggression and desires while the women in the herd are pregnant and therefore unavailable, display homosexual behaviours. It keeps the males engaged. It allows them a sexual outlet, and also serves the function of asserting dominance within the herd. These are all useful and "normal" functions within the herd, which, in the long run, facilitate the growth of the species.

>>127685064

Care to elaborate?

>>127685163
>t. A FUCKING LEAF who doesn't understand the US
We repealed the 18th. The 19th is no different.

>>127685163
True this isn't just going to be a simple law change there needs to be death and fighting for real change and I hope by the end of it there is a wall on the southern border and the US and Canada are 1 United nation with no degenerates

>>127684920

>This is unrelated to a discussion of how things ought to be and is a sidestep to the points presented

Oh yes, if only I had a dollar for every time people online talked about how things ought to be. It's not a sidestep. The other guy was seriously talking about forcing gay men to marry women and have kids, and I am against that because I don't believe in violating people's freedom like that.

>Drag it back to /pol/ all you want, but you'll look back in time and forever be left without an explanation as to how this progressive belief of yours has never once been present and accounted for at a time when the chips were down

I've been on /pol/ for a while and you and I and all of us have gone through many phases, I won't look back on it like you said. The archive is essentially a deep web rabbit hole, and I don't see my views as 'progressive', I see them as promoting individual and collective liberty, regardless of if it's left or right.

>>127685340
No its gonna take a lot more than repealing to fix this.

>>127680023
>What is your solution to young men dropping out of society?

They'd have to turn off the internet, including their beloved fashy retard hugbox aka /pol/.

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The solution is total war.

>>127685340
Oh.
Okay fair, I forgot about that.
Point's still pretty relevant otherwise I mean repealing the 19th WILL result in blood on the streets.

>>127680023
Heroine and then watch em OD

>>127680023
there is no such thing as a "society"

>>127680023
I see no problem with this picture.

t. Successful oldfag

>>127685458
Yeah menstrual blood.

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>>127680023
Eliminating feminism.

>>127685403
I meant look back on time, ALL of time, the history of civilization itself.
Also slick phase maymay but Traditionalism is the final resting point of redpills. It's noble to promote liberty at point of sale, but you'll see one day that you're building slaves.

>>127680206
>believing being gay is beyond your control.

Clearly it is because you have zero willpower as a pussy-faced faggot.

and I'm not calling you a faggot because you are gay. I'm calling you a faggot because you are a faggot. Sexuality often does crazy shut when you are depressed. Get help.

>>127685251
> you haven't described what a chemical balance is

>you haven't even defined mental disorder,

>What is normal

Now your just going on an idiotic rant any (normal) ;) person would know the answer to these questions but its clear your not your a mentally ill degenerate that needs to educate himself on biology and how the world works.

>>127685552
aayyyy

>>127685331
A bill was passed in your country that states sexual orientation and gender identity can change on a whim. You can't on one hand say that being gay isn't a choice to win a debate about gay conversion therapy and then contradict yourselves to pass a bill restricting free speech.

Oh wait. actually you can because you're massive faggots.

>>127680023
Appeal to the youths who have dropped out of society and militarize and mobilize them for nation building. Promise them a future that they can have a stake in.

>>127680023
let them drop out fuck em

>>127683552
>Do you not see how ridiculous that logic is.
It makes perfect sense. If my car was designed to turn on when I turn the key and it doesn't, something's wrong.

Something is wrong with you.

>>127681277
>muh european paganism
I'm so sick of this meme. Larpers need to be gassed.

>>127680023

> bomb North Korea Or Syria
> not talking small bullshit

>>127680023
When the Marxist social engineering leads to a society that doesn't work, young men (then middle-aged men) can pick up the pieces and get things back to the way they should be.

>>127683928
There are plenty of women who would be understanding in such a scenario.

In today's day and age, pretty much everyone is heterflexable, but m2f is really the only healthy method of childrearing.

>>127680023
this thread again?

>>127685552
Kek exactly I have no doubt we can win we but we just need to get to the fighting. Same thing happened in Nazi Germany

>>127685674

Give me a quick, concise definition of what makes something abnormal. Give me a quick, concise definition of what makes something a mental disorder.

Honestly. If you can't do this, it's obvious that you don't have a fucking clue what you're saying; that you're just mimicking what you've heard said about homosexuality.

>>127685695

I am not the government of Canada. I voted independent last election. If you're going to try to chain the legislation of my country to my own arguments in this thread, then I'm going to have to tell you that you're obviously a kike-loving, marijuana-smoking, abortion-loving, soldier-worshiping, fat, bank-funding, food-stamp using nigger with no self-respect or self-awareness.

Is this accurate? No? Then shut the fuck up with your fallacies.

>>127680023
No more,vidya games,comics,animu,porn and there 99% of the losers will commit suicide within a couple of days,the rest will become alchoolics and junkies.

>>127684242
Mm actually the divorce rate for first marriages is much lower, and reduces further with each child. It's the hefners that are throwing off that average.

>>127684259
Divorce rates are plummeting. Millennials are expected to be the most conservative generation in 100 years.

>>127680918
Gay men used to get married and have children. There was societal pressure to do so and their progeny are not gay.

Gay men marrying and reproducing is very good for society. Gay rights has cheated humanity (or just whites) of some of our best genes.

>>127685958
Damn right.
Except we're even more cucked than before. This is why I keep saying we need better outreach. We gotta start fucking getting out there and sewing the seeds, agitating in normie hotspots. All this capacity locked away in our brothers and they've been convinced it's moral to shirk it.

>>127685772

>humans were designed to fuck women

This SCREAMS ignorance about biology, evolution, and even basic social tendencies amongst most species. Honestly, I don't mean to be condescending, but you seem to have little to no grasp of basic biological principles.

>>127685886

I agree that a male-female union is the best way to raise a child, but if I settle for marriage and have kids, there is no doubt in my mind that my homosexuality will be used as ammo in the divorce so that my children and half my earnings get taken away from me.

I make good money and cannot justify risking it all just for the mere prospect of having a traditional family.

>>127685458
I'd willingly give up the right to vote to keep selective service male only.

>>127681644
Christianity is a derivative of Zoroastrianism more than Judaism.

>>127681702
Spoken like a Tru(dea) leaf

>>127686220
Very simple: get a prenup. In order to get a fair split after divorce, she can't malign your character to the court or any third party.

Let her choose between being a bitch and potential money. Betcha I know what she'll pick.

>>127686142
Exactly and thats actually what the nazis did they went to commie/fag hot spots agitated them then things broke out into a full on brawl and obviously the commies/fags got BTFO and that lead to the nazis taking power. Its works and is the only way we can have really change we need to start having a bunch of paramilitaries pop up around the country and do this.

>>127686441
Prenups have been known to get thrown out by judges.

>>127686220
When people say humans were designed they either mean: 1. Intelligently designed, or 2. Evolved.

Obviously "designed" implies intent even though evolution is undirected, but semantics aside, biologically, humans have evolved as a sexually dimorphic species with two sexes that copulate intersexually to produce offspring.

>>127686441

Here's the thing, though. A prenup is fine. I would have to declare that I'm a homosexual, otherwise her lawyers could argue that everything was signed under false pretenses and that the marriage is a lie. So I declare that I'm gay, I get a prenup saying that we each keep our own income, then she gets custody just because and now, despite my sole desire to raise my children with two married parents, they get to go through a divorce and shared custody (or possibly even no custody for me).

What do I stand to gain, other than passing on my genes in a debauched scenario?

>>127686142
>>127685961
>what is normal

Normal is desiring to further your genetics. Choosing to mate with a woman is the only evolutionary way to do this.

Homosexuality is, excluding other factors, against evolution and nature itself.

That said, there have been quite a few studies showing the gene that may trigger homosexuality in men may also trigger a heightened maternal instinct in women. Generally homosexual males' female blood relatives have nearly twice the children of the average woman. Therefore, it may be seen as nature's way of having multiple males (husband, brother) to invest resources into the same gene pool.


>tfw science proves the existance of the deep state has evolved us all into fags. >>127686079

>>127685631

The world is still a large place if you want to see it that way. I do sometimes remember key terms I used on /pol/ years ago, I go and search it in the archives. Point is, things simply happen as they are, and if they are bad, I try to be a man and deal with it. I fail to see how I would be on the losing side of any tide when all I do is advocate liberty for individuals and the collective to make their own choice.

>It's noble to promote liberty at point of sale, but you'll see one day that you're building slaves

Right, but you and the other guy are arguing for forcing gays to get married and have kids and you have no power to do so. Not only that, but what if they just simply refuse? Are you going to execute all the gays with good genes, and eliminate their genetics?

WW3.

The peace has gone on too long and we have become complacent, Without a real enemy we create ones to fight against.

Women are fighting against sexism/feminism.

Men are fighting against marriage/responsibility.

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>>127686063
>>127685961
>what is normal

Normal is desiring to further your genetics. Choosing to mate with a woman is the only evolutionary way to do this.

Homosexuality is, excluding other factors, against evolution and nature itself.

That said, there have been quite a few studies showing the gene that may trigger homosexuality in men may also trigger a heightened maternal instinct in women. Generally homosexual males' female blood relatives have nearly twice the children of the average woman. Therefore, it may be seen as nature's way of having multiple males (husband, brother) to invest resources into the same gene pool.


>tfw science proves the existance of the deep state has evolved us all into fags. >>127686079

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>>127686444
Fuck.
I'd get decked out in gas masks and brawl commies alongside y'all any day.

>>127686306
>Say I won't respond to anything
>See retardation incarnate
What is wrong with you? Why do you insist on straying away from sediment, proven facts instead of accepting things for what they are? Why are you driving yourself to unintentional self-deprication instead of just owning up to truths?

>>127680023
let women, blacks, and jews run civilization into the ground
That's a solution

>>127686528
Sure. Human relationships aren't a guarentee. But get one with low partner number and from a good family, and statistically it should be a non issue after 3+ kids.

>>127680023
>duhurr how do get these young men back in the goyim grinder
You are either a kike or Sub 100 IQ if you think dropping out of (((society))) isn't a good idea. Until a new society is built upon new values, it will be useless garbage.
You don't try to piece a city back together after its Been nukes 5 times. You build a new city.
Keep a job but fuck society and stay far away from the kike matrix that it is

>>127680023
What is "dropping out of society"?

Also, are you autistic or just retarded?
>leaf
Oh

Ve vill send zim to ze fake ga$ chambers built by the $ovi€t$ after the war.

>>127686619

Sure. But similarly, just as humans have evolved with two sexes that 'copulate intersexually' to produce offspring, so to have humans (and hundreds of other species) evolved to have a certain percentage of the herd express homosexual tendencies for the purposes of either population control in times of limited resources, or to exercise the instincts whilst the females are impregnated and unable to have sex.

All of these are functions of our biology. It's not an accident, but nor is it intentional. So if you call procreation by heterosexual intercourse 'natural,' you must also call homosexual behaviours which strengthen the herd 'natural.'

>>127685251
>define "normal"

Relativist alert. Let's see. Species are defined by some basic specific traits: their biology, the way they reproduce, etc. When a cat is born with 6 legs, you don't say it's "just another way of being a cat", it's simply an error in what that species is supposed to be. It's still a cat, and possibly a "good" cat at that, but it's clear there's been some sort of error.

Humans reproduce by having males do females, and viceversa. Homosexual behavior has nothing to do with the core of being human, it serves no purpose and leads neither to the perpetuation of the species nor to any form of socially useful situation. It's an error. The specific medical cause is irrelevant to the debate.

Also, you can't cry ad hominem when you're constantly talking about "a sheer display of ignorance" and continually shifting the debate towards animals and whatever suits your opinions. Either debate correctly or accept the banter.

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Create tech that allows you to turn those not contributing to society into cute things like catgirls or lolis, then train them to be servants/housewives and reintroduce them into society by either allowing them to seek out men or be sold off.

>>127686635
>>127686528
Sure. Human relationships aren't a guarentee. But get one with low partner number and from a good family, and statistically it should be a non issue after 3+ kids. >>127686635
You're pretty much sold on divorce then, even though it's statistically improbable?

>>127686884
It is. None of this leftist nonsense can survive outside of its decadent bubble.

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ARTIFICIAL WOMBS

THE ROAST...

THE ROAST IS FINALLY TOAST

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>>127680023
we are society, people will follow us. they have no choice. we can go to the shittiest board and obsess over it, and that board will shape reality. young men are the future, they are society, fight it all you want but it always comes back to us. we don't drop out of society, we put society where we want it to be, and we wait for the rest to follow.

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Too much change in technology is driving some people insane.

>>127686719

>normal is desiring to further your genetics

Sure, to the extent that having 100% of male members of a species does not actually limit to success rate of the species.

>homosexuality is, excluding other factors, against evolution and nature itself
>excluding other factors

Such as population control, male domination within a herd, and increasing resources for existing female reproducers...

>that said...

No kidding. Homosexuality occurs naturally, just as heterosexuality does. They both serve functions to strengthening the herd and facilitating the long-term survival of the species. If homosexuality harmed the species, our species would either be extinct or endangered.

So when some idiot uses the word "unnatural" or "chemical imbalance" to imply that it is against nature and some sort of magical creation of the faggots exuding the characteristics, it strikes me as retarded.

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>>127680253
This leaf isn't wrong.

Nothing. If people in my generation want to smoke weed and play video games all day then that's fine. More job openings for me when I graduate. And I like vidya too, can't wait to make six figures so I can buy all the new games for the PS5. The key is to find balance with your hobbies and not let them take over your life. Also, don't smoke weed unless you can still be productive. If it makes you slothful than you need to cut it out.

>>127684707

Originally I was just shitposting, but seriously though, don't use glass, too risky.

>>127687523

Do you have a wife and kids? A large chunk of /pol/ spergs out at young men for not having a wife and kids yet those guys who do the sperging don't seem to be married themselves.

>>127686982

You're actually largely incorrect here.

>species are defined by...their biology, how they reproduce, etc. Six-legged cat....

The only thing that makes a six-legged cat "an error" compared to what that species is "supposed to be" is because we, as humans, have observed four-legged cats through most of our existence. When you see a spider, do you ask yourself why it doesn't have four legs? Do you consider spiders and centipedes to be an interruption of the natural order?

>Homosexual behaviour has nothing to do with the 'cor' of being human. It serves not purpose. It doesn't lead to perpetuation of the species, or any useful situation.

You're completely, scientifically, biologically, factually incorrect in this assertion. Read my other posts. Homosexual behaviours serve very clear and well-elucidated functions within herds. That you think it's incongruent with modern human society is simply a demonstration of your sheer ignorance on the matter.

>you can't cry ad hominem...

I made an argument. He replied with, "well, faggots just don't understand." That's an ad hominem. He didn't even attempt to rebut my argument. He didn't provide any evidence. He didn't provide even an elaboration of his initial point. He employed an ad hominem.

>>127680523
>Gay men usually have good genes.

They are psychopaths, like the trannies. Psychopaths are massively corrosive to society, and the main reason the West is in turmoil.

>>127680023
Uh nothing? Every single young man does this. Whites do it with video games. We could do it with drugs like niggas though if that's what you want OP.

>>127687005
What do you think the trap fetish is doing. Only issue is people think that you should only be with one person. Alpha males should be entitled to a wife and trap.

>>127685663

I am depressed, and it DOES have to do with my homosexuality. But I haven't been able to will away my homosexuality. It just doesn't work.

I am currently experimenting with avoiding sexuality altogether. The results are not promising so far.

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>>127687804
Except the trap fetish isn't doing it fully. While it would take ages of progress, we need to make full on cute girls that are fit for breeding out of who may have been formerly useless, and possibly even reach a level of genetic editing to where they'll be able to bear white children.

>>127680206
>giving

Oh for fucks sake. We are more connected than ever. If it's a wife and kids which will make life worthwhile, you literally have tens of millions of options more or less available. Use the internet, travel, you can find yourself a wife. The government can't give you a nice wife, you'll gotta put in the work by yourself.

>>127680023
Fix women.

/thread

>>127687263
>Sure, to the extent that having 100% of male members of a species does not actually limit to success rate of the species.

You are confusing your "herd" with human kind.

Assuming you are white, your herd is in trouble Senpei.

>>127687660
>as humans, have observed
More relativism. I don't care what you or anyone thinks on a subject, I care about the facts. Has science sufficiently determined what cats are? OK, then whether you agree or not doesn't mean anything to me or to anyone. Same happens with humans. Just because you feel a certain way or may or may not have observed something, it doesn't mean everyone else has to surrender to your subjective conclusions. By your own criteria, even humans are not really a "thing" because some evolution has taken place since the species came into being. It's the most ridiculous kind of relativism and, if true, it invalidates all science.
>Read my other posts. Homosexual behaviours serve....
I read some rambling about population control, domination, etc. Which implies a tiny minority of society could serve this huge, imaginary role regulating major characteristics of a certain population. The effect, if any, would be statistically meaningless.
>>127687660
>He employed an ad hominem
I know. It just sounds a little hypocritical to demand good debating etiquette when you call people retards. This is 4chan after all...

>>127688018
Personally I think traps would be a step in the right direction and what we can do now. The issue with genetic engineering is there has to be a lot of testing and studying. Even breaking ethnic code and such to insure things are done right.

>bear white children
Yeah whatever...

>>127688130

No shit, bud! The point is that I can find sexual attraction to a wife. Nor can I justify risking half my wealth in a divorce with said woman. Nor can I justify putting my children through a divorce and losing custody.

These are legitimate risks that I've assessed and have decided that I would rather resist the unbelievable urge to procreate, and deal with the loneliness that results, than create a situation where my children are in a broken home and my wife takes half of my wealth.

If you can explain how I'm being irrational, I'd love to hear it.

>>127687578
A large chunk of /pol/ is married, just like a large chunk is successful, 30+ or female.

.../pol/ isn't a person senpei

>>127680066
I miss old /pol/ when this would have got a lot more fpbp

>>127687928
Jesus just pick a girl and date her. See if you like fucking vagina then come talk about it. Stop overanalyzing something so simple.

>>127688362

Can you show me where I said /pol/ was a person? I said that a large chunk of /pol/ spergs out about young men not being married, yet I ask those same people if they are married, and they either admit they aren't or completely ignore the question. Only a few people answer back and say that they are indeed married.

a horrific 3rd world war that conscripts all these man-childs.

except the problem with that is that all them men go off and die, and all you're left with is faggots and women. Then in the post war years they push the country towards the left.

see: post war germany, 1960 hippy movment

>>127680023
Society belongs to women now.

abolishmemt of welfare for those who refuse to work and disenfranchisement of international corporations

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>>127688322
>not wanting to keep western civilization afloat while preventing the current generation of mostly corrupt and bad women from breeding by creating cute people that can help create good families

I have interest in participating as a male.

But if magic exist or real sex changers were possible. I'd be more than happy to be a wife and be a mommy

>>127688286

No kidding, but we still socialize in herds. It is coming to an end, but at the time of writing, humanity is still divided into herds.

>>127688287

>I don't care what you or anyone thinks on the subject

Okay. Retard.

>I care about the facts

And how do you identify facts?

>Has science sufficiently identified what cats are?

As a very general definition of animal, yes. But there are MANY species of cats. Just as there are many, many species of mammals. We define something based on our observations, but nature doesn't produce species based on there differences. The differences are up to we, the observers, to define and identify.

>just because you feel a certain way...or may have observed something, doesn't mean everyone else has to surrender

That's not at all where I'm coming from. The science is clear on homosexual tendencies within mammalian species.

>by your own criteria, humans are not really a 'thing' because some evolution has taken place since the species came into being.

Wrong. Humans are the only entities which have attempted to describe the species that exists. We are the only ones to outline a framework for identifying, defining, and differentiating species. Therefore, our observations are what matters. That the changes in evolution since humans have come into being are relatively small - ie, not enough to declare a new species - is incidental. We still have very obvious physical differences between the races, even though we're stupidly running away from that term.

>it just sounds hypocritical

He implied that because something doesn't create offspring, it's unnatural. I called it retarded (and ignorant). Perhaps that was rude.

>>127680023
Dropping out of society how?

If you're just referring to getting married and having children, then probably just getting better jobs available that provide security.

Currently most people struggle to find work, especially good work that will pay more over time. This means women looking for a good deal will constantly be looking for that "average guy" who actually is better off than most. Women want a nice stable life and if they see any guy that is a bit better off then they'll leave their current guy for him.

Women regularly are looking out for them and possibly their kids if they have them, so they're often ready to drop their boyfriend/husband in a heart beat if it seems worthwhile. With that being the case is it any wonder if guys aren't getting married the way society tells them they should?

>>127688566
I wanna be a woman

>>127680023
"Dropping out/"
Like what? Not getting women? They're still getting women...
do you mean economically?
They have jobs...
Do you mean... "Traditional" society?
Like... church?
They go to church, well, most of them...
I think you're targeting liberal men here...
and they got raped, and that's why they dropped out...
Got a solution?

>>127680023
give them a society worth contributing to.

I used to want to do something big with my life, to build or to create, but I keep seeing where this country is going and thinking that anything I create will only used against me. Why let anyone benefit from my use at all? I'd sooner move to Poland and produce 8-12 Teuto-Slav bastards than stay in the states and contribute to art or science in a land where I'm not welcome.

>>127688339
You are being irrational by not considering that sexuality is largely adaptive; anyone with an Internet browser should know this. You want the fetish you feed. I'd be curious if you intentionally cultivated that sexuality instead of following what feels like instinct - which is actually (((priming))) - what results would ensue.

Also, this doomsday scenario of divorce simply isn't the case for 70% of marriages, with divorce rates for college educated women being around 20%.

That's a pretty good bet senpai.

>>127688508
Triggered much?

Anons ignoring you isn't the same as a denial. You seem to take issue with marriage being something to strive for, friendo.

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>>127680206
>>127680665
>>127681950
>>127683087
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>>127683799
Brainlets.
pic related.

>>127687928
listen to the seppo, you're simply weak minded. Being a homo is a choice and it's in your best interests to be normal, it's clearly bothering you. Look at the Greeks, we would call them gay but they had entirely different sexual values in which faggotry was not an inherent sin, and not an "orientation". That's not the case in modern society and you're a degenerate on par with if you believe it is

>>127689110
I want to be female

>>127688954

my 'fetish' has played a very small role in my way of life, to be honest. I'm a depressed alcoholic and my sex drive is almost non-existent. I have had sex perhaps three times in my life and I'm 28.

If I had a choice, I would take heterosexuality in a minute, just for the prospect of having a wife and children.

Regardless of the stats on divorce, the fact is that it's an irrational FINANCIAL risk for men. They stand to lose more than women do.

>>127688901
>Retard
OMG ad hominem! call the canadian police
>up to we, the observers, to define and identify
and that has been done. By science, not some leaf shitposter. Relativism is not science, and neither are your random thoughts on the issue. Sorry
>The science is clear on homosexual tendencies
no one is denying that they exist, I do go outside and talk to people you know
> We are the only ones to outline a framework
and you're circling around it, which is getting old really fast
>Perhaps that was rude.
how dare you call yourself Canadian

>>127689190
They also stand to gain quite a bit as well.

>>127680066
FPBP

>>127680023
a new war
or
a new deal

>>127689190
The alternative is allowing your bloodline to die out and leaving no legacy behind, at the benefit of your pockets. Which is more important? If you truly believe that it's "irrational" to procreate on the mere grounds of finance, it's likely a good thing that you won't

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>>127688786
This. Transfaggotry and shit at the moment is quite disgusting and shouldn't be tolerated, but if it were possible to be something so cute and it actually looked good, I wouldn't pass up the chance to be something like a catgirl waifu while being able to help raise good children for the West.

>>127680023
Bc fuk society it's GHEY

>>127688502

Are you serious? I have tried to fuck a vagina. I ate out a vagina and, though that wasn't unenjoyable, I was soft the whole time.

I couldn't finish because I couldn't get an erection. I claimed whisky dick, but I knew it was a lie.

>>127689122

There seriously can't be people this stupid out there. I have to assume that you're being facetious.

I AM A FAGGOT. I AM NOT ATTRACTED TO WOMEN AT ALL. It's not like I saw a list and made a choice. It's that I've have sexual opportunities with women and I was unable to become aroused. Furthermore, I have had my dick in a woman's mouth several times, and it stayed soft. Furthermore, when I watch thin, young men having sex, I have no problem getting erect.

Stop propping up this delusion that there is no such thing as natural homosexuality. I would never choose this if I had the choice.

>>127689375
This is why breeding for IQ alone is inherently flawed. People can rationalize anything, no matter how idiotic it is, if influenced to do so.

>>127689070

>Triggered much?

No, you're just wrong that I ever said or implied /pol/ was one person.

>Anons ignoring you isn't the same as a denial

When I ask them if they are married or have kids, then they reply back more or less with "UR A MANCHILD GO GET MARRIED", I take that as them completely dodging my question and I can only assume it's because they are angry that I asked them something they push on everyone else.

>You seem to take issue with marriage being something to strive for, friendo.

I'm not sure where you got that from. I definitely don't think that young men should rush towards marriage if there is almost a guarantee they will be the losers in that process.

Define, "dropping out of society" and why it's wrong. I don't see any problem with them enjoying their lives as long as they're working and contributing.
>inb4 it's wrong because they don't want to get married and have kids
Not an argument

>>127689522
>>127689522
And you had a different experience with men? Because tbqh, to enjoy an sexual experience but not be aroused by it sounds like ED.

t. Family practice physician

>>127689276

Fair enough.

>>127689375

This is probably the fundamental debate - it covers all philosophy, politics, economics, etc. What is the purpose of living?

Unfortunately, I don't have a decisive answer for you.

>>127689271

>by science, not by some leaf poster

And the science is on my side. How about a rebuttal to what science says about homosexuality amongst mammalian species?

>no one is denying they exist

Sure, but you ARE denying that they are naturally-occurring.

Make a point or just concede that you're in over your head. Homosexuality exists. It occurs naturally. It serves a biological function. And it is not necessarily the result of a chemical imbalance or moral relativism.

>>127689522
You can always choose to jump off a bridge, though I would advise shooting yourself in the head first to make sure the job gets done.
You're not a faggot by nature. You've been socially brainwashed into getting fucked up the ass, and you're hiding behind a convenient excuse backed by feel-good social theory. You're a weak minded fool.

>>127689579
There is zero guarentee that men will be losers in marriage. In fact, early marriage is shown to correlate to increased career success, with marriage in general correlating to a longer life and better mental health.

>>127689718

Yes, I have. The only times I've gotten an erection with another person was with a man. I have never had an erection with a woman, despite having had more opportunities with them.

>>127689762

You have made a few assertions with no evidence whatsoever.

I have never been fucked up the ass. I'm a top by nature. Even so, I don't particularly like it that much.

>>127689522
So think about what turns you on while having sex. Why does this have to be so complicated?

Guarenteed most women do.

And I really want to see your endocrine panel. I'm taking bets.

- Relax sexual harassment laws so guys can actually approach women without getting arrested

- Relax age of consent laws, so guys will actually have incentive to try for Chad mode so they can get sweet sixteen ptp

- legalize prostitution so that guys who missed the normal virginity losing age can get some practice in

- make video pornography illegal, dirty French postcards are fine and let single guys know what they're missing out on, but that modern HC stuff is like crack, ban that vr shit too

>>127680023
Give them robot waifu that will take their hand to come have fun at the town fair with them.

>>127685961
sucks for (you) because you aren't even you. you're just a collection of shared personality traits.
Welcome to identity politics kiddo.

>>127689995
ever examine the reason you don't like it very much? get a head doctor before its too late

>>127689866
I'm curious the back stories behind these encounters.

I have some guesses.

>>127689754
>hat science says about homosexuality amongst mammalian species
I don't know, but it probably says that it happens quite regularly. So what? I'm only interested in what affects humans. And homosexuality plays no useful or meaningful role in human society other than being a -yes- behavior that might from time to time occur. No one cares if you read that polar bears are fucking each other regardless of sex.
>but you ARE denying that they are naturally-occurring
No, I said I don't care about the cause, I care about it's role in human society.

>Make a point
No one can make a point if, when losing an argument, you shift the debate towards random shit or things I didn't say. I never even talked about chemical imbalances, for, again, I don't give a shit about the causes. I have myopia and I don't go around telling people that "it's just a different way of seeing things". It's a fucking error, buddy.

>>127689996

You're proposing a solution to the problem of satisfying a woman enough to maintain a marriage. And I'm saying that even if I manage that, the inevitable divorce will punish me more than I'm willing to risk.

So let's say that theoretically I can close my eyes and stay aroused and have a "healthy" sexual relationship with a woman, get married, and have kids...what then? Live the lie, never experience physical satisfaction, and risk a divorce in which I'm at fault.

No, thanks.

>>127688786
>>127688946
>>127689143
>>127689380

You are the reason society will fall. Degenerate fucks. Sorry excuses for human beings.

This is YOUR LIFE. And this is how you choose to be. Failures.

>>127680023
mandatory military service

WWIII

>>127690115
I don't get why someone would define themselves by something they don't even like.
>>127690167
>75% of women have never had an orgasm
Should they just abstain from sex altogether?

>live the lie
It isn't a lie if you want to be married and have a family. It's a choice. Self-sacrifice is part of being a man. If you want a family, you should be willing to at least consider your options.

>>127680253
This is honestly genius.

>>127689522

>"i would never choose this if i had the choice"

Then its not natural is it? The brainwashing is real. The hormonal imbalances are real. Something is manipulating humanity and its leading us in a direction i fucking abhor.

First, where's the evidence that this is happening? I want hard numbers.

Second, so fucking what? Let 'em go. Males are largely irrelevant. One man can impregnate thousands of women. There's no reason we need all the men to stick around and do shit.

>>127688782
Not against it, just find the whole white people shit unbearable. Stop falling for the racial jew.

>>127690243

>0.01%
>society falling

Aren't you taking this a little too far my fellow toothpaste? Just stop with the utopia thinking, you'll never be a 100% society in anything.

>>127690474
>cull majority of men
>nothing ever gets achieved, maintained, accomplished or conceived of ever again
hmmm

>>127689841

>There is zero guarentee that men will be losers in marriage

But I know two different guys that have been destroyed in divorce court. I'm not sure how true it is that men are shunning marriage in mass numbers, but it does seem to be true that a large amount are avoiding it so they certainty wouldn't agree with you. I see you've given up on your strange claim that I was advocating against marriage, so that's good.

>>127690108

I am me. I'm a collection of cells that are enslaved by my brain's response to external stimuli. Free will is an illusion.

>>127690115

There is no reason why other than that I am programmed to be a member of the species that does not pursue heterosexual relations.

>>127690143

Three were drunken encounters with friends/acquaintances. One was a one-night stand, also drunk.
Two were random encounters, just buzzed.

>>127690156

>homosexuality serves no purpose in human society

...that you know about. You figure that society would be perfectly balanced if everyone was a heterosexual with a high sex-drive. Perhaps that's the case, but the fact that it's not suggests to me that there is some sort of benefit to it.

>I only care about its role in human society

Yes. And for you to claim that it's more a harm to society than a help, again, screams ignorance. How can you say if it's been a help or a hindrance to procreation? Humanity obviously doesn't have any issues with procreation, so what makes you think that homosexuality is a hindrance?

I never said anything about 'a different way of seeing things.' If I mistakenly attributed the "chemical imbalances"/"mental illness" argument to you, I apologize. But you jumped in to respond to a post a mind in response to someone who DID invoke mental illness as an explanation for homosexuality.

>>127690556
The vast majority of men don't do shit anyway. Let 'em go.

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Fucking day of the rake now. Saged.

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>>127680023

Pic very related.

>>127690663
>I'm a collection of cells that are enslaved by my brain's response to external stimuli
Jesus Christ cunt, I know I've been antagonising you but I truly pity you. They have really done a number on you.

>>127690380

Call me a degenerate millenial, but self-sacrifice that will not only ruin my life, but also significantly damage the lives of my children, is not worth the risk.

That's just how I see it.

>>127690423

No, you idiot. If it's all a matter of choice, then there is no bearing on what is conducive to reproduction or the benefit of society. Claiming that the lack of a choice therefore implies that it's brainwashing is based on the same false premise.

Humanity has had homosexuals for its entire recorded history. Hundreds of other mammalian species have homosexuality. It's nothing new. It's nothing contrived. It's just a function of our biology. It serves an evolutionary purpose.

>>127690859

Get over yourself. You're delusional if you think you're an independent entity that makes genuine decisions about your everyday actions. The fact is that your genes have instilled responses and behaviours in your brain, your brain which makes decisions as an unconscious response to all of your surroundings.

Ask yourself: what occurs first, the thought or your decision to think?

>>127690550
Eh, I guess. I should have probably phrased it a tad bit differently.

>>127690663
>that you know about
If you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you. Random theories about population control don't count.
>for you to claim that it's more a harm to society than a help
I never said homosexuality harms society. I said it serves no useful purpose, at least not one that makes me think it deserves to be considered equal to the male-female union.

My points were science, humanity and purpose. You replied with relativism, random questions about mammals and cause. There is just no way of having a debate if you reply to what you feel more comfortable to, even if I didn't say it.

>>127690985
will to power

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Nuke Canada

>>127680023
>get cucked by womyn & chads
>society tells you to study and work a side job
>just study whatever thing gets you big dollars
>four years later shit has changed and the job you've studied for is in crisis
>no job
>no woman because standards are too high
>"get ripped!" "spend $300 at a shrink to fix your depression"

>>127680023
ANCAP PATRIARCHY

>>127690006
>- make video pornography illegal

Kys. Run to the DMZ and get shot.

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>>127691130
>Typical Liberal Arts Major life

>>127688362
>A large chunk of /pol/ is married, just like a large chunk is successful, 30+ or female.

Bitch, please.
Most of us are probably basement betas Larping as successful aryan family men.

>>127680023

End taxation and >>127680066

>>127691331
Explain karoshi, wagecuck.
You mustn't remember all the stock brokers who also blew their brains out after 2008 & 1933.

>>127691067

>random theories and population control don't count

AKA "I have no grasp of basic biological theories and principles so I'm going to ask a faggot to explain it to me." Give wikipedia a try.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

>I said it serves no useful purpose

Except it intuitively does serve a purpose, since we know that homosexuals have existed throughout our history and our species has thrived to the extent that it is the single dominant species on the planet. Tell me that homosexuality has been so pervasive in our society without fulfilling some purpose.

>>127680066
fpbp

>>127691438
STEM
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>>127691068

More philosophical gobbledygook that is destroyed by everything we understand about our biology.

The will to power is an illusion. It is inextricably tied to our biological drive to survive and procreate. All "achievement" is in some way correlated to behaviours which are conducive to the survival and procreation of the species.

>>127691455
No, that's not how a debate goes, no matter how angry or upset you get you provide the facts pertaining to the points that have been made. A random list of bear, tiger and wolf behavior is a random attempt to make the other person look ignorant, when it is you who couldn't come up with a coherent response to what you read. The quotation doesn't even match what you posted, shithead.
>Except it intuitively + causation implies correlation! + "some" purpose
No, I won't play connect the dots until we get to some random theory that you offered no proof for. The burden is (still) on you and at this point it's obvious that you don't listen or care. Have a good day.

>>127691605
I've sucked at maths since age 8, so I believe that I am doomed to a life of hardship.

>>127691775
Learn a trade if you can't into math. Welders get payed big bucks and you can start comfy lifer earlier. Just be willing to move, I have meet welders who cuck themselves because they weren't willing to go where the job is. Right now I'm a recent grad and I have been applying all over the US and Japan. Just try to avoid places that will bankrupt you just from living there.

>>127681429
>But where are there bathhouses anymore? I thought those disappeared in the 70s.

Then bring the demand back ...

>>127680023
Let society burn. Its human progress. Society is just a fad. We're all cavemen at heart. Hunter gatherers. War lords and soldiers. Why do people care so much about society collapsing. It happens all the time and people live on. We need these moments of chaos so that we can kill each other and our ideologies can spread. Thats the way peace is achieved. Civilization doesnt make peace. Civilization is a cracking dam. Holding back a flood of blood. Idiots say the elites want to divide us. So we should stick together. No. The elites will get their way no matter what we do. Theyre profiteers and theres always something to be made. When its peace its houses and shit. When its chaos its guns and explosives. The best thing that can happen to humanity is chaos. Anarchy. Theres too many people with conflicting views. There needs to be death. Or else society will get nowhere. you could call it evolution. Cycles of Peace and anarchy. In Peace we gather ideas and try to debate and be civil. In Anarchy we take action. Young men are tired of this fucking game. And we barely started playing it. We want the anarchy now. We want our fucking way. And you old bastards cant do shit to stop us. What will you do? Enslave us? Haha. Import immigrants to replace us? youll genocide your own people in order to keep afloat. Youre going to fucking hell. And this generation refuses to join you. They know deep down something isnt right. They spend all their time trying to figure it out. But the truth never reveals itself. They want anarchy so they can uncover the governments secrets. Theyre tired of living like cattle for god knows what.

>>127691935
Best option right now for me is to teach French, English, or both, in some other country. Languages, history & politics are the only fields where I have substantial knowledge.

>>127691761

Homosexuality exists in humanity because it provides balance in the male-female-population ratio. Men require very little energy/resources to produce a child. A woman requires a lot of energy/resources to produce a baby. Since males and females make up almost equal proportions of the population, there needs to be some sort of phenomena to reduce the pressure of females to be in a constant state of pregnancy. Homosexuality alleviates that pressure.

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>>127680023
>Drop a MOAB on all 12 Federal Reserve banks and publicly execute all their workers.
>Fix our monetary policy and introduce gold standard.
>Remove all forms of aid and welfare.
>Remove all unnecessary departments.
>Remove all unconstitutional developments.
>Privatize all schools.
>Add economic incentives for high iq people to reproduce.

What did did I miss?

>>127692218
Homosexuality exists because the mother makes bad nutritional choices. The development of the pre optic hypothalamus determines which gender and how much you crave it. A few missing micronutrients or a few epigenetic switches and you're a faggot or a dike. Learn your science nigger.

>>127692218
this is entirely unproven speculation of socially (and financially) minded biologists

No point

>>127692433

You seem to be making an argument entirely on monetary, economic grounds. But I don't think that's the whole situation.

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>>127692757
Economics incentives precede cultural change.

>>127690625
>knows 2 guys
That's a good sample size.

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>>127692757
Keynesianism is the destroyer of nations and races. Its Satanism in its purest form. Stimulus is "I want the fun ride now!". It is pure autistic, unsustainable, and unnecessary complication of banking.

>>127690985
>call me a degenerate millennial
Ok.
>inb4 Thank you mistress may I have another.

>>127690663
>Three were drunken encounters with friends/acquaintances. One was a one-night stand, also drunk.
>Two were random encounters, just buzzed.
Have you ever considered.. (*gasp*) a relationship that isn't founded upon meaningless sex?

Maybe you are like the majority of the population and don't actually find spinning plates all that fulfilling.

>>127691374
>Most of us are probably basement betas Larping as successful aryan family men.

Clearly one of us is.

>>127691950
>Wut is aids

>>127692620

That doesn't explain why it exists and persists. That may explain why the behaviour came to exist in the first place.

>>127692641

It is, indeed, speculation. But most biology concerning homosexuality is speculation as well.

If you have a more rigorously-evidenced explanation for why homosexuality has been a persistent quality of a significant portion of the population for our entire existence, I would love to hear it.

>>127690690
Well isn't that exactly the problem we're discussing?

>>127692890

You said "zero guarantee" and you're wrong. What about all the other guys not getting married? Clearly they disagree in some way with your claims on /pol/ that marriage is such a good thing for men.

>>127693054

No. In my 28 years I have never pursued a relationship on anything other than meaningless sex.

What kind of fucking question is that? I have friends. I'm close with my family. All relationships that naturally moved towards intimacy crumbled because I was not physically attracted to them.

>>127693273
It exists and persists because our nutritional intake has gone to absolute shit in the past 100 years compared to before that.

>>127693307
>zero guarentee is somehow wrong
Please show me this guarentee I claimed doesn't exist.

The only guarentee of failure is deluding yourself success isn't possible. Like I have said repeatedly, if you marry a college educated white female, your odds of success are roughly 80% - more with each child. That's as good as it gets.

But considering your degeneracy you'd probably give her AIDS and ruin yet another quality white womb.

>>127693385
>not attracted to anyone in a relationship with you
You've got some serious issues senpai.

>>127693418

If poor nutritional intake causes homosexuality, what is the definition of 'good' nutritional intake, and why did homosexuality persist throughout our history?

IOW, if we have thrived for thousands of generations, how can a poor diet be responsible for a detrimental social phenomenon?

>>127693550

>you've got some serious issues

You don't say!

>>127692814
Didn't the welfare state increase standards of living, though?

Maybe you can't own a house anymore but you get free education & a lot of free healthcare, which is better than any Chinese or Ethiopian could hope for.

>>127693550

You know exactly what post I'm talking about, you said there is "zero guarantee" men will be losers in marriage and that is just absolutely wrong. You're wrong.

>The only guarentee of failure is deluding yourself success isn't possible

That goes off the assumption that the world is inherently just and fair if you are a white male, and that is something a feminist would say. Maybe you can start talking about male privilege too, we've been having a good conversation so far, a bit strange though. Success is not always guaranteed in life, and I never said success isn't possible either. You have to be prepared to accept failures and hardship and deal with them. If you don't, you will get BTFO when they finally come.

>But considering your degeneracy you'd probably give her AIDS and ruin yet another quality white womb.

I'm not gay, I don't have AIDS.

>>127693883
You get divorced by a gold digger, it's your fault for being a stupid cunt. If you don't like divorce rules, get a prenup. If you allow your wife to fuck you in the ass, you're a submissive faggot

>>127694114

>Blaming men for everything that happens

Not surprising since this is /pol/, but he said there was zero guarantee and he's wrong.

>>127681188
Underrated

>>127693883
Yes there is zero guarentee of failure.

Are you dense? Is English your second language? How is that hard to comprehend?

Show me the 100% divorce rate and yo can be right. Short of that, you are a dumb faggot, Anon.

>>127694174
Zero guarantee means that there is not a guarantee. A guarantee is indicative of a certainty. It is not certain that you will be a "loser" at marriage and so you're incorrect. A woman might cause it to happen, but who put a traitorous bitch in the position to do it? faggot

>>127694432
Beyond that, statistically, marrying a white college-educated woman has an 80% success rate. How are those bad odds?

you are looking at it wrong. it's not a problem, but rather the solution.

society is rotten to the core. it is irreparably fucked. anyone who says otherwise needs to take a closer look at the situation

>>127694411

"Zero guarantee of failure" means that no men at all will be harmed in marriage and marriage is intrinsically fair for men. Yet so many men seem to disagree with you. I never said there was a 100 percent divorce rate and you're sperging out too much right now. Not anti-marriage either, but you claimed that men have no chance of being fucked over in marriage and you're wrong.

>>127694432

>It is not certain that you will be a "loser" at marriage and so you're incorrect

I never said that it's certain a man will be a loser at marriage, but the other guy said it's not possible for men to be losers in marriage and he's wrong. And you both seem to be operating on the pretense that I'm anti-marriage and that thought needs to leave your autistic skulls. If you want more men to marry then make it more appealing to them.

>>127680023
WW3

>>127681320
This.

> t. valleyfag STEM-cuck whose coworker dumping her (successful and charismatic but not trained in PUA cruelty) long-term boyfriend in order to bang an Outlaw Biker type was the final straw in realizing the 19th Amendment was a mistake and it's time to quit being productive and start acting like the Dark Triad disaster that women love to get fucked by until society is declined enough to name the Jew and expel them through legal means for the 368th time in history

>>127694515
>marrying a white college-educated woman has an 80% success rate

what does that even mean? like, only 20% of the time the priest dies before he can finished the ceremony?

>>127694561
I agree, best to let it burn all down and then rise as savages from the ashes
>>127694652
You're incredibly thick, aren't you? Read my post again, you don't understand the assertation of guarantee at all

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>>127680023

>>127694769

Your post? Which one? It seems to be two different IDs, unless you're talking about a post way earlier in the thread. That other guy said there is zero guarantee that men will be losers in marriage and that's wrong. I understand /pol/ wants to promote marriage but this is a god awful way of doing it.

>>127680023
where do you see society? it's not men dropping out from society, it's fall of society.

>>127695213

> it's fall of society

How do you figure?

>>127695213
THIS, walking around any European city really makes you think we need a new world war badly and asap

>>127680023
Oh please. Society consists of meaningless arguments, silent neighbors, and greedy people.

>>127681188
>88
HEIL!

>>127680023
>you will never have friends to drink beer and play video games with

>>127687535
>too risky.
ok then, I will set bear traps over my cashes of shekels

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I once was asked why I wouldn't have a place in society.
I returned the question and asked "Why would I have a place in society?"
To which they answered "Everyone is unique and everyone has a place in society"
They were women.

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>>127680023

The answer is obvious. Fix society. Impose harsh prison sentences for females that falsely accuse men of rape. Reform divorce laws. Outlaw alimony and give fathers parental rights so that marriage isn't a life destroying threat for men. Outlaw affirmative action and make America a meritocracy.

>>127695323
because we have mass media instead of society. They control behavior and not society as it was before.

>>127680023

>>127695393

So you don't think there is any issue to be solved here?

>>127693703
The welfare state has fuck all to do with that.
>employer provided healthcare and social security already existed
>public schools had been around since the 1800s
It literally only helped shitskins, bums, and (((single mothers))).

>>127680023
Make society worth staying in.