NatSoc vs. NatCap

>>127664259
Well if you dont want Government overreach and the likely abuse of State Power NatSoc isn't for you. far right and far left are equally fucked when it comes to abuse of State Power.

>>127664259
Quick rundown on natcap? Haven't heard of it.

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>>127664259
>want to convert to NatSoc

Forget about it. If we were a all white, all Christian country it might make sense, but it won't work with all our mongrels here.

Socialism is not for America in any form. It only works for the northern europeans because of their white racial homogeneity.

Hitler could've achieved it, but not us.

>>127664499
Just Nationalist Capitalism

Just kinda what Trump is doing

>>127664514
>>127664473
good points

>>127664584
so fucking up your own country instead of fucking up others?

>>127664499
civic nationalism

>>127664742
don't see how bringing back jobs to your country as fucking it up lol

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>>127664766
>civic nationalism

GOD DAMN IT, WHY ME

>>127664259
Want to convert? What does that mean? You either are an NatCap or NatSoc. How do you want to be a NatSoc but aren't one? Please explain.

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>>127664499
NatSoc = Hitler
NatCap = Pinochet

>>127665065
I've read plenty into it, sounds good, just not a huge of of giving a lot of power to the state, unless there's alot of checks and balances

Nazi is a german abreviation for National Socialism, but neither Hitler or his Nazi party was socialist, he was facist. Facism is National Capitalism, its sort of a joke that socialism would in any way be attributed to Hitler or the Nazi party

>>127664259
As mentioned previously in the thread, NatSoc only works where there is a strong sense of "a people". You need a high amount of homogeneity. If a country is all the same race, all the same ethnicity, all the same religion (this one is debatable), and feel a genuine sense of connection, then it can work.
The government does have a lot of power in NatSoc, yes, but the purpose is that the people trust the government and they serve the state as the state serves the people.
Even if all non-whites were removed from the US, I don't even think it would work because you guys have had your identity eroded for so long. White people aren't allowed to think of group interests.

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with everything good, there's always going to be a possibility of bad. they're just about directly correlated. a monarchy is actually an extremely good system when it's done right (that's how we got Alexander the great), but i dont think i need to tell you it's flaws. honestly though, the biggest problem we have nowadays is the jews and multiculturalism. you get rid of them you get rid of the vast majority of our problems, and the rest of the problems will be fixed very fast and efficiently. the white man has been plagued by jews for hundreds of years. think about what we could do if we were free of them. look what nazi germany did in just it's short time without the jews.

i think that the ideal would be to have a balance of natsoc and libertarianism. like instead of the pendulum swinging from marxist leftism aiming for communism (institutional judaism) back to (also pozzed) conservatism which just aims for some of the jews other goals, it would swing from natsoc to ancap. national socialism is like the immune system of the white man - it makes us stronger and healthier, and our societies are full of parasites and diseases that must be purged

>>127664514
>It only works for the northern europeans because of their white racial homogeneity.

Which is going away in several of those countries and we're watching them fall apart as a result.

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>>127664259
National Socialism doesn't have to be strictly economically socialist; it's more so a socialism of the spirit. George Lincoln Rockwell wanted to remove the progressive income tax, for example.

National Capitalism means a small government market economy with a nationalist immigration policy.

>>127665733
how is it a joke? The goverment serves as an intermediary between workers and employers, this would never occur in capitalism, they also have some degree of welfare and extensive banking regulations.

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>>127664584
Capitalism and nationalism are contradictory to each other.

>I'm a globalist and a nationalist

Does he ever hear himself talk?

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>>127664259
what the hell is natcap?

>>127666347
Marx referred to Western European countries as "capitalist", yet they had borders at the time, so, no, capitalism and nationalism are not contradictory.

>>127665733
>Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei wasn't socialist
>sozialistische

They were socialists. The difference is that they imposed folkism as opposed to marxism or trotskyism.
Folkism put an emphasis on the people and for the entire volk to work together as a family.
Just how your brother may ask you for a bit of money to help him out, or perhaps he loses his job so you try find him a position in your company. We do these things to help our family. Folkism teaches that your people are your family. Every german should help every german. Doesn't matter if you're rich or you're poor. You do what you can to improve the lives of your brothers and sisters at every turn.

>>127666542
The countries he considered to be "capitalist" had far more protectionist measures in the economy back then than today.

>>127664742
>Germany
>telling any other country about fucking up

Your country fucks up constantly, a historical fuck up. Sad.

>>127666765
British Empire had free trade and government spending maxing out at 10% of GDP.

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>>127666903
>government spending maxing out at 10% of GDP
What happened to basic economic wisdom? Personally I think it died with democracy.

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>>127666108
you cant be national socialist and multicultural at the same time, because the other races arent your people or volk and it wont be real socialism; it's just communism-lite, which is involuntary redistribution of wealth and goods and nothing more. national socialists are inherently racist, that's they only way you can have the national socialist spirit.
i heard someone say that the economy is the greatest of golden calves. there's much more to national socialism (and life) than just the economic aspects. the economy is not meant to be something that just hobbles along and must be stressed and worried about constantly. the economies around the world are so unstable today because of jews. hitler's economy became fantastic and prosperous after less than a decade, and that was only the first ever attempt at national socialism

>>127666347
Look up American School Economics. It's basically promoting a laissez-faire systsm inside the country, but using protectionist measures against orher countries, and investing in infrastructure projects.
The overall idea is to make a country self-sufficient and combining nationalism with capitalism.

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Sounds like you want fascism. Anon said it earlier tho, it won't work in USA because it's only 60% white.

>>127664584
>>127664742
*what he said he would do

>>127664584
oh so its basically just nothing ? okay

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here's some good red pill dosage if you feel like reading. but again, national socialism is about more than just the economy. government should do greater and more noble things to benefit the people than to just "regulate" the economy and decide shit like who gets what gibs, who can use what bathrooms, etc. i could go on and on, but really i would just be talking about all the things jews have caused. if whites just got rid of all nonwhites (that includes jews) we would all be a thousand times better off in almost every aspect of life

>>127665065
he wants to be with the cool kids

>>127667060
>hitler's economy became fantastic and prosperous after less than a decade

Anybody can take out loans, go on a spending spree, and then die before having to pay them back. Hitler's "fantastic" economy's main source of revenue every year was the issuing of new debt, even with the looting of the wealth of neighbouring countries.

And food rationing occurred like in any socialist country with price controls.

>>127667640
he's incentivizing american companies/corporations to bring back jobs into our countries instead of shipping them overseas

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with national socialism you also get politicians who think and act like this, at just about every level. and he was only the head of agriculture. could you imagine if the head of the FDA said some shit like this? but instead we have mutant food and water that turns your pineal gland into stone and increases your estrogen *among other things*

>>127667938
He's basically just lowering taxes with a shit tier tone of civic ''nationalism'' that looks more like a selling point that genuine

>>127664514
>Socialism is not for America in any form. It only works for the northern europeans because of their white racial homogeneity.

I hate this meme. Please stop posting it over and over again.

They have state capitalism, not socialism.

>>127667757
u-uh uh..

SHILL SHILL SHILL

>>127664259
"NatCap" is a retarded term and is just Fascism. Hitler, Franco, Tojo and Mussolini were all "NatCap."

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>>127667757
did you read >>127667652? have you read the programme of the NSDAP?

>like in any socialist country
oh, so you're one of those people who equates stepping stones to communism with national socialism? there's a reason why most forms of socialism (all that have been used since ww2) are considered to be far left, but national socialism is considered extreme radical right. why do you think that is?

>>127664766
>everything i dont know is civic nationalism and therefore bad
you have to go back

>>127665733
This. Strasser and Rohm were the Socialists. So many don't even understand the ideology.

>>127664584
Trump isn't really an ethno-nationalist though. He's a normal conservative not a nationalist.

>>127664514
natsoc always threw me off. Mainly cause of the socialism part. Could get why soc=bad while natsoc = good. Makes sense

>>127669401
we really cant discern what trump is at this point. he could honestly be anything from hitler reincarnated who's just getting pawns in place and stacking his deck before making his move against the jews (he used to keep a book of hitler's speeches by his bed: fact) but also he could just be another controlled opposition good goy, although i dont think for one second that he doesnt know what's really going on

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>>127664259
National socialism is actually supposed to solve the problem of (((government))) overreach through government overreach. Sounds bad but it works really well when the people running stuff aren't the 1% billionaires and kikes, but instead are elected from the general population based on their readiness to serve the people and their qualifications for the position. Unlike communism, national socialism puts value on the work individual and rewards them by allowing private businesses, as long as they are not detrimental to society or the state. If the US were to go natsoc, you'd see all the junk food and Jewish payday loan places get shut down while family owned restaurants and shops get tax breaks. National socialism is not against property, but again, you shouldn't be allowed to own things that will harm society or the state. The national socialist state is by the people and for the people, unlike our current state which acts as it's own protected class. A two party system is stupid. This is why Hitler united Germany under a single flag. You get a lot of shit done when you're not bickering over little right/left bullshit all the time.

Watch this entire video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63eVhP51R7c

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>>127664584
>Just kinda what Trump is doing

so cuckservatives running the government with a president who does what they tell him to do basically

>>127669163
> did you read
It's lying. Germany issued debt.

Issuing government bonds for revenue is just one form of debt they inured.

When they did print money, it "did not produce price inflation as classical liberal theory suggest". Because of price controls. Price can't rise when it's illegal to rise prices. Price controls to prevent inflation result in demand being too high relative to supply, and so shortages and rationing occur.

>why do you think that is?
Because of their views on race and jews.

>>127671016
can you give some good books or info on the topic?

>>127666640
>>127668544
this niggers

the fucking jews polluted the term socialism so much that the modern connotation of it is completely inaccurate towards the time period Hitler utilized it.

might as use a new term altogether desu

>>127664499
Before the retards tell you muh Trump, read the 33 precepts.
1stirregulars.com

>>127664259
In an ideal society a transparent government can provide adequate housing, food and amenities for it's people with minimal effort from it's people. It's obviously an extreme ideal but as technology improves we get closer to it every day. That package of course comes with genetic engineering and eugenics that can create those people that can maintain such a society while still being happy and creative.

>>127665243
Pinochet was FascCap

>>127671750
How about Companism or something like that- as in a military company, a group united under one cause that is willing to sacrifice for one another. Sound like the kind of society Hitler wanted

>>127676120
>nupol faggots don't realise that /pol/ was once a unification of NatSoc and Libertarianism
>they all automatically hate NatSoc because Ben "Based Jewish man" Shapiro told them socialism is muh ebil holohoax literally stalin hitler

>>127676425
>a group united under one cause that is willing to sacrifice for one another. Sound like the kind of society Hitler wanted


DUDE JUST HAVE MILLIONS BE SELFLESS 100% OF THE TIME LMAO

>>127676425
Yeah, an ideology that focuses on the community. Maybe communitarianism, or communism, for short?

>>127677573
>if we just have a selfless ideology, people will suddenly become selfless

doesn't work that way. Unless something like monarchy is deeply ingrained in our human psychology, it will just be an idea in a book.

The only way to do it, therefore, is to make it into a religion which has children indoctrinated into it at childhood like Islam or Judaism.

At that point, you risk stagnation and corruption because it's a religion.

>>127664499
Basically National Socialism without the Socialism.

>>127677865
Doesn't Hoppe argue that in anarchy, you'll form exclusive settlements?

Isn't that just a smaller scale of what was at one point worldwide anarchy pre-massive countries and empires?

>>127677343
On the flip side, now people think libertarians are open-border scum because of le aleppo man.

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>>127678022
Libertarians are still retards and anti-social aspies.

You just need to look at any convention they've ever held ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8cErokGFs&ab_channel=musiclover041591

Because you're anti-social, you fail to realize the entrepreneurial elite would then just form their secret societies to rule you through the tyranny of the majority, who they would influence to think certain ways. They wouldn't need laws.

>>127678222
That's why we gas the kikes first, duh.

>>127677902
So.... National Socialism then?

>>127678332
Are you genuinely retarded?

Secret societies and fraternal orders aren't just Jewish.

The actual Illuminati was made by Bavarians.

The Knights Templar helped form Switzerland.

The Founding Fathers were Free Masons, which, you guessed it, started in Europe!

Now this is a /pol/ thread

Behind all the mayhem and carnage of the last 100 years is the Jew who has gotten control of the printing press for fiat currency. He leverages his monopoly with control of the lying Jew media and the entertainment propaganda complex. If the Jew has the banks, he buys the politicians and judges, and he manufactures degenerate pubic thought and corrupts academia.
Free markets are not free. The banks and crony capitalists collude against competition all the time.
Only NatSoc fights the root cause of this corruption. The Jew.
Only when all Jews are interned can the honest businessman and non degenerate industrialist be free to create good jobs and profits.
Nazi Germany freed itself from the Jew and their tyranny. Investigate the preceding decadence and misery of the Weimar Republic. NatSoc allows for more economic liberty with less economic degeneracy.
Why do you think the resources of the entire world were turned against it by the Jew?

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>>127679327
It's not the Jew.

It's quite literally any intelligent ethnic minority who would do this.

Whites would do the exact same thing among an earth of mud people if they had the same population numbers as Jews.

Hispanics are retards, and even they form cultural enclaves full of nepotism.

Give them 50 more IQ points, now they do the same, but in power structures instead of local neighborhoods.

Now let's delve deeper. It's not just ethnic, but also ideology. If your ideology is a minority, you can't go out and fight battles to win what you want.

You have to use subversion, as people always have, and always will.

Get rid of the Jew, new minority ideologies will replace him and you will have the same thing.

>>127679902
cont.

This is the source of high-level secret societies.

They realize the uninitiated will have trouble believing a certain ideology, whatever it may be.

They know they can't just run their politicians or make parties, but rather subvert until enough are initiated that they can have a more public approach.

If my memory serves me rightly, even Nazis were a secret society before taking power.

So, again. Get rid of the Jew, you'll find out quite easily that humanity tends to be a hydra when it comes to the cut throat games of politics in that department.

Someone will still buy off politicians, corrupt the public, and attempt to deceive them.

tfw

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>>127669998
>he could honestly be anything from hitler reincarnated who's just getting pawns in place and stacking his deck before making his move against the jews

>>127677343
This. /pol/ has always been a NatLib board. Fascist means to a Libertarian end.

>>127669998
I have no clue what Trump is doing. Only 4 months into his presidency so I won't judge him just yet. There is always hope.

>>127664259
>I consider myself NatCap
No, you are a retard. Natsoc is already capitalist.

>>127680933

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>>127680933

>>127680933

>>127680933

This guy knows what's up.

>>127664259
I had this problem too actually. I got past this by understanding more thoroughly what is meant by national socialism. Socialism in the context of national socialism isn't meant to be the conventional sort of socialism, i.e. massive government programs, welfare, etc. National socialism was meant to refer to "socialism" in the context of the people, meaning everyone works for the good of oneself but also for the good of the other. It has very little to do with economic socialism, rather moral socialism. Meaning little to no interference from the government if you're running a business that is in the nation's interest (e.g. a restaurant, a factory, etc.). The only time the government would interfere in the free market is when a business is being run that isn't in the nation's interests (e.g. a media company putting out degeneracy, a porn studio making interracial porn, usury banking, or a company that operates mainly for the benefit of those in other nations rather than the people of their own nation)

>>127664259
The corporations who you want to run things already treat you like shit.

Plus being profit-motivated, they produce the lowest-common-denominator consumer bullshit that helps drain society's soul by default.

So what other reason do you need? Enslave the corporations. Also, fuck national socialism. Become a Legionary or a Falangist. The word of God is what sustains you.

>>127682483
Nah, National Socialism is economic socialism. That's what self-identified NatSocs support. They claim National Socialism was a raging economic socialist success story. They think that price controls work. Why price controls didn't work in East Germany or any other socialist country is because the Jews, despite knowing what the prices should be fixed at, deliberately fixed the prices at the wrong price. Of course, NatSocs don't personally claim to know what prices should be fixed at, but in an all white country, some smart mathematician dude will know, right?

>>127682483
To expand...
Natcap isn't a bad idea if one began with a moral, nationalistic, engaged populous. One could institute pure free markets and the populous would operate according to national interests, for their fellow citizen, for the good of one and all. The problem is that we don't begin with a tabula rasa. You begin with globalists, internationalists, communists, degenerates, etc. in your mix. You need a small, but strong, central government to remove or censor those who seek to destroy or pollute your nation.

>>127664259
Capitalism is globalism because it is free trade incarnate. No arbitrary forces perverting market values. This includes government. There can be no "national" capitalist because that assumes a government, which will, by definition, pervert the free market. With the dissolution of the state comes the national border.
Chaos was the law of nature, but order was the creation of man. Anarchy is for niggers, NS is the only solution.

>>127683612
That's the problem with modern capitalism. Every upper echelon capitalist is a blood sucking, globalist, psychopathic, crook. All the consumers are dumb zombies who don't know a good company from a harmful company. Capitalism would be truly great if the capitalists and the consumers were moral and upright. That's why we need fascism first to clean up the scum. Then, once we have a moral and just society, we can have a libertarian utopia.

>>127667017
From jewtube and /pol/ i have learned that this is true. Especially after you give women the right to vote government spending drastically increased.

>>127664259
>>127664499

National Capitalism is literally an oxymoron.

>>127669163
I've never heard so much bullshit in my life, even my shithole of a country had an 8 hour workday before Germany did

>>127684442
Exactly. The socialism in natsoc doesn't refer to the economic model espoused, rather to the primary goal of government: to protect the people from those who wish them harm, foreign and domestic. Internationalists and globalists do not have the best interests of their people at heart, only their bank balance and the interests of other nations. A natsoc government would not curtail any of the natural rights of its citizens, unless a citizen sought to use their rights to the detriment and degradation of the nation.

Natsoc is essentially the American axiom of "your right to swing your fist ends where my face begins", but taking into consideration that in modern times nefarious things may be done without physical violence. The subtle propaganda of today's media is far more damaging than terrorism, and traitors must always hang before enemies.

>>127664259
"Natcap" is objectivism.

Categories are for retards.

>>127678500
>>127677902
So no unity or strength? Seems like it will just slippery slope back into liberalism in time. What role does the state have?

>>127683602
The general idea was autarky which could only be achieves had the social ideology of Hitler been realised. The unity of the people as both individuals and collectives. Wolf is as strong as the pack, pack is as strong as the wolf. I think HItler had the right idea except he went a little too ham on the whole Uniting Europe thing.

>>127671750
your comment sounds a lot like
"Real socialism was never tried"

>>127664259
if your white you wouldnt have to worry about it because youd know the government at least intends to act in your best intentions

The proper role of government is to protect individual rights. This means that the government protects you from force and fraud. It also means that the government takes actions against subversive foreign powers seeking to destroy our way of life.

Libertarians might seek "open borders," but in the context of our world today, we simply should not allow that given the repercussions.

Firstly, we don't properly identify our enemies and, as such, we don't deal with them properly. For example: why trade with China or Saudi Arabia when we have all the domestic resources to do this on our own? Wrongful legislation makes it profitable to sell out our nation.

We could rescind a number of globalist-socialist measures in government and cripple foreign, globalist powers.

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>>127686184
>the government at least intends to act in your best intentions

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>>127664259
Yeah I used to think that too until I learned what the economic policies of the 3rd Reich were.
>also Hitler was right.