How is Communism bad if usury is prohibited and there are no

>>127664072
ITT

>b-bbut you haven't tried my kind of communism guys

>>127664072
Tesla would have been poor in communism too, the only difference is Paris would also be poor.

>its better if everyone is poor!
>e-e-except the Jews of course, the Party deserves to have 100% of wealth!

>>127664072
If he was so 'best and bright' he would have patented his useful inventions

>>127664072
Wasn't Tesla anti socialist?

>>127664072
>capitalism makes sure only the best and brightest become rich
No, you fucking idiot. Capitalism makes those who appeal to a popular demand rich. If people want something, and you provide that thing, you succeed. It's really not a complicated system

>>127664072
>Because Jews makes sure only themselves Become more rich while trying to destroy The white race

Tesla wasn't motivated by money. He wanted to create a better world.

where was tesla impoverished? the guy pissed away all his money on booze, women and parties. i hate how these redditard libcucks always try and paint tesla as some sob story. the guy was living the dream

>>127664072
>makes sure only the only best and brightest
>only the only
Failed so hard it hurt

>>127664072

Communism is literally gibs for the lazy, you worthless fucking neet.

Paris Hilton literally produces more merchandise in her multiple businesses than you will be worth in your entire lifetime.

I'd trade ten thousand of you worthless monkeys for one Paris Hilton or Nikola Tesla.

>>127665590
/thread

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>>127667568
>Communism is literally gibs for the lazy
WRONG

>>127667816
Plot twist: Those who work,also don't eat.

>>127667568
Only because of moron's degeneracy in the first place.

>>127667816

I guess that's why they starved twenty million ukranians to death for not feeding the fucking neets sufficiently.

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>>127668056

>>127668202

>muh degeneracy

You chimps literally deserve to be gassed.

Forty years ago we would have lobotomized you.

>>127667816
I guess Ukrainians didn't work, huh?

>>127664072
>tfw when to intelligent to know how to develop inventions into marketable products and services

>>127667816
>staunchly atheist gommie stealing a Bible verse

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>>127664072
Some jealous communist official would throw Tesla in the gulag for no reason. Research money would be given to PsyOps developments.
Communism is about control and nothing else.

>>127664072
Because the ruling party would be full of retards. Mao had the campaign against 4 pests which led to an ecological imbalance which killed 45 million people.

>>127664072
Under communism both Tesla and Hilton would have died poor and starving, as would everyone else

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>>127664072
I'm under the impression that he didn't die in debt, but was very well off. Communism is slavery.

>>127666129
the Philadelphia experiment is largely based on a true story, and Tesla was behind the invisibility machine projects which for some reason ended up being time travel. He was one of the best, and brightest, which is why you will never see his useful inventions.

>>127664072
Because Americans have been brainwashed for 60+ years to reject all the good sides of communism as LE EBIL RUSKIES, while accepting all the bad sides of it (some of which haven't even been applied in non-Soviet countries such as Yugoslavia) rebranded as GLORIOUS PROGRESS right in the asshole.

Tesla dying poor is another one of those idiotic myths that keep passing around. He died in a luxury hotel room in New York for fuck's sake

>>127669837

>muh real communism hasn't ever been tried

13 year olds aren't allowed to post here.

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>>127664072
He didn't want to make money, her parents did, she did

That's the beauty of capitalism
Don't lie to yourself.
If you're useless to make money, don't compare yourself to Tesla, his assistant was trump's uncle

4d Chess. Deal with it.

>>127670273
>muh real capitalism hasn't ever been tried

Ditto.

>>127664072
>Tesla makes awesome inventions
>gets fucked over by Thomas Edison, who was abusing the patent system to bleed Tesla dry and steal his work
>patent system is a government-made set of law, and is anti-capitalism by default
>tesla got fucked by patents, not capitalism
>faggots on the internet still blame it on capitalism anyway

Sort yourself out, OP

>>127664072
wanna know how I'm sure you're from reddit?

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>capitalcuck defense force in full force
Friendly reminder that traditional culture is incompatible with consumer culture.

>go live in best korea and find out.

>>127670961
>only uncucked culture on earth

>Tesla went to burgerland to get rich and got fucked over by some jews...he wasn't smart enough.

>>127669284
Tesla made a fortune early on selling his patents and ideas, the bigger ones to companies like Westinghouse. The problem was, he started self funding some really big projects, and burned through all of his money. Westinghouse paid his rent and a monthly stipend until his death, if I remember correctly.

The Philadelphia experiment is a construct of Hollywood. It allegedly occurred in 1943, and Tesla had nothing to do with it, in any of teh accounts. Stop believing in modern fairy tales.

>>127670961
Literally the only even sort of culturally and ideologically independent country left at this point.

>>127666129
He did, he held over 300 patents worldwide. He spent all the money on experiments, instead of raising funding. If he had invested his money, he would have lived a luxurious lifestyle. He kind of did anyway, he went from luxury hotel to luxury hotel in NYC in the last part of his life, running up huge bills and skipping out on them.

This information is not hard to find. There are many excellent books on his life. Why not go read one, instead of posting stuff straight from your ass?

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>>127666810
>tesla
>women
no anon, he was pigeonsexual.

>>127670859
Friendly reminder that socialist culture is incompatible with human nature.

>>127671343
Only an island inbred like you could post something like this

>>127666601
>Reply
Tesla spent most of the first half of his career selling his inventions and patents for a fairly large sum of money, he was entirely focused on money, like most people.

>>127671768
>Humans are naturally greedy therefore socialism can never work
>Also charity is a better means of helping the poor and disabled than socialist programs because humans are naturally generous

He died because he was murdered by Rockefeller. Found lying dead in the ditch with a hole in the back of his head.

Some (((things))) never change.

>>127665590
First best

>>127664072
Faggot OP's meme is pure sophistry.

Capitalism makes no promise of enriching "only the best and brightest", where would you come of with a retarded idea like that?

>>127664072
your problem is that you value jew paper more than knowledge

>>127665590
Argument over. fpbp.

>>127670171
He lived there, but Westinghouse was paying the bill, because he'd been thrown out of so many hotels for not paying the bills. He went off the deep end after 1928, when he closed his last office and stopped working on anything. he had some fairly large lawsuits, too, and Edison trying to fuck him. I should find that book on him I have, great read.

He was one of the first rock stars - made a pile of money that would have lasted him his whole life if he'd managed it, and pissed it all away on experiments.

>>127669837
kill yourself you retarded Croat faggot

>>127668380
kulaks were main reason behind the holodomor.

>>127671944
Some people are greedy and some people are generous. Capitalism allows both to function
.
Socialism expects everyone to be generous and will always be subverted by even a few greedy people.

>>127664072

Paris is a top-tier dick sucker.

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>>127665590
>638 assassination attempts made on Castro by the CIA
>Over 2,000,000 deaths + 260 million cluster bombs and 7,078,032 tons of explosives (3.5 times the amount dropped during WWII) dropped on Vietnam by the US to decimate the country purely to stop communism from prevailing
>United States Air Force commanders complained that they would "run out of targets" to drop bombs on during the Korean War. Targeted hydroelectric and irrigation dams, even bombed crops and farmland

>>127672332
Kulak=everybody over subsistence level.

Also ITT: le ddit normalfags and muh Tesla

>>127666592
But much 1%. I don't want anyone I don't like to be rich. I deserve it more.

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>>127665892
>Tesla would have been poor in communism too

And wouldn't have had the resources to invent anything, so we wouldn't even know who he was today if he lived in a communist society.

People always shit on capitalism by comparing it to a fantasy land where no bad things ever happen to anyone ever, and completely lack the perspective to understand that any system involves people.

And they're stupid enough to end up blaming freedom because people have flaws and things don't always turn out for the best for everyone.

>>127664072
tesla was really fucking smart, but also autistic as fuck
like seriously.
guy made a bet for $10k with edison (edison was joking, because that was a lot of fucking money)
won the bet. edison welshes (because he's a fag, but who the fuck holds him to that bet?)
instead he offers tesla a huge raise.
tesla says "fuck you" and quits. dies poor because of it

>>127664072
TRUMP HAS ALL OF TESLAS NOTES

>>127673285
>Communists wouldn't have the resources or incentives to invent anyth--
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_space_program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Soviet_inventions

>>127669837
Please provide what you would consider good aspects of Communism, and how such aspects would come about in a Communist system

>>127673285
Do you have any idea how science, art and culture was financed in communist countries and what ludicrous budgets people who were actually good in their respective fields got?

You should try to remember how an agrarian third world shithole beat you in the space race.

>>127664072

>Talent-less celebrity
She must be pretty smart to have been one of the most talked about celebrities of the 2000's. This disillusion where you think you are smarter than a millionaire is laughable.

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>>127664072
>2017 not Taoist Theocrat

>>127664072
That's why we need a capitalist meritocracy.

People on /pol/ are always going on and on and on aboutnhow evil communism is. Hen (((((capitalism)))) is the truly jewish system

>>127664072

>there are no gibs for the lazy

fucking what

>>127673214
>t forgetting Venezuela and Brazil

>>127665590
Epic meme XD

>>127670859

its funny when retard communists think the working class sides with their pathetic larping

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>>127673709
>beat you in the space race
No they didn't

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>>127673709
And you should try to remember how laughably stupid using liquid fuel rockets to go into space is

>>127668251
>20 million
Most estimates are about a quarter of that.

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>>127664072
Nikola Tesla was a man of science. A genius of applied mechanical skills. But he had retarded social skills. People stole from him, people used him. He never learned to delegate or take advantage of others labor.

Paris Hilton is the opposite. She is a useless turd, with no real ability. But she uses the labor of those around her and her own social status to generate status and wealth. She has excelled in the art of manipulation and power and has been rewarded handsomely for it.

Tesla's mistake was believing science had nothing to do with social power. It is an ultimate irony that he literally invented inventions for power but never understood it.

>work hard to produce lot of food
>government takes all your food
>no compensation

>>127670596

Yes capitalism has been tried and has brought millions all across the world out of poverty while "muh communism" systems have all fallen as it starved its people and collapsed on itself. Sad part about communism is that it's a mental cancer that keeps coming back though and now the SJWs are trying it again though it failed in the 20th century

>>127668349
Fun fact: the USSR banned lobotomies in 1950, over a decade before the US stopped doing them. Despite using legal loopholes to classify some dissidents as mentally ill and detain them indefinitely, the USSR never lobotomized any of them.

>>127673697
Let's contrast the two in some aspects:

Ideological focus on worker as the pillar of society and a respected member of the community, 8+8+8 model (8 hours of work, 8 hours of education/spiritual or intellectual enlightenment/free time/8 hours of sleep). Meanwhile in capitalism, no one gives a shit about you, you're worked to death if the capitalist can get away with it, even unions have been corrupted to work for the capitalist instead of for the worker

Workers' self-management. State financing for science, art, culture (literature, film, music, etc.) and infrastructure. In capitalism, it's all free market, which at the very least completely kills culture.

The concept of public goods/commons, especially the concept of public spaces (streets and squares made to measure of human body and soul, for human beings to walk and socialize in) vs privatized public spaces where owners put spikes on the street and benches that people can't sit on so that they move quickly and only linger in front of shop windows.

Belief in, and constant struggle for a better tomorrow vs. capitalist nihilism.

>>127674344
>as it starved its people and collapsed on itself.
Entire death toll of communism: 100mil
Death toll of capitalism every 5 years: 100mil

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>>127673262
Kulaks were holding most of the food reserves that they destroyed because the only thing they cared was profit. Everyone hated them even the anarchists.

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>>127670859
>traditional culture is incompatible with communism
ftfy

>>127673959
>Brazil
>socialist or communist

>>127673777
Paris Hilton? She's as dumb as a bag of hair. The people around her built the empire, off her name. If her name wasn't "Hilton", none of it would have ever happened - she was famous for being a grandchild of one of the last tycoons.

To even HINT that she's got brain one in her head is hysterical. How much of a neckbeard are you, that you're going there to try and win a 4chan autist slap fight?

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>>127664072
HOW FUCKING DARE YOU USE TESLA FOR YOUR JUDAISM!

>>127674344
Believe it or not a lot of communist countries saw huge reductions in poverty and a rise in living standards.

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>>127664072
I don't really need to fucking point this out but people are the single greatest problem in any soc/com civ, on paper its perfect but in practice it fails because of human self interest and greed.

>>127664072
With communism Tesla would have died at birth lmao

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>>127674486
What is a "worker"? Is a doctor a worker? At what income level does someone progress from respectable peasant slave to evil exploiter?

>>127673214
Audience: "But what about the USSR?"

Blum: "Oh...well....fuck"

>>127664072
Nikola Tesla denied himself wealth. He could have easily used his intelligence and inventions for profit.
He didn't want wealth though, he wanted to make the world a better place.

Democrats are selfish and properly educated morons that take and blow other peoples money as well. It's no surprise selfish people lacking morals will rate their personal piggy bank above all else.

>>127674612
Marxism is not the only kind of communism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_One_Country

>>127674819
Sure, they raised living standards from living in mud huts, to living in concrete apartment blocks. Communism, or what passed for it in the USSR, never even got close to the lowest living standard of the west, not once, they lived hand to mouth most years, and even had to buy food from us. To understand the collapse of the USSR, is to understand why communism and socialism don't work, don't work on a large scale, and how it failed to elevate the people past ragged edge survival.

Talk to anyone who lived in the USSR, or under their control. It was a grim, grimy existence, only made better by the black market for luxury goods.

It's easy to claim less poverty, when the state pays all your bills, like in the USSR. But the rise in living standards was laughable when you look at what the west did, with capitalism.

>>127664072
True capitalism has never been tried, comrade.

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>>127674486
>focus on workers
It sounds cute until you realize the government can't feed anybody. Nobody works under communism without a gun pointed to their head because the costs outweigh the benefits when the stare is taking all your resources for redistribution. Your theory has never worked.
>free market completely kills culture
Supply and demand does very littlr to affect the way people treat themselves recreationally or treat each other. The only way culture has ever been killed or manipulated is through immigration-- mass movements of bodies from places of different culture-- not because you can buy chinese dumplings when you're hungry.
>business owners will put spikes on their benches so you don't loiter
And lose all their business when customers no longer respect the way they're treated? The free market is a mutual exchange unless a monopoly is present, and that is inherently so difficult to maintain under the free market that it hasnt happened since the industrial revolution.

tl;dr - you're a brainwashed communist and need to be put down

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>>127674868
Learn about tribalism in Africa or new guinea. Read about how everyone shares everything. Its communism plus xenophobia, and ultimately ends up making everything shit.

>>127674868
>on paper its perfect
Wrong. It's evil on paper as well.

Die pinko.

>>127675181
Oh, so he didn't sell all of his patents for huge sums of money, live in luxury hotels, and all the rest?

Just repeating something like a retarded parrot doesn't make you right, dummy.

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>>127670859
What a stupid pic
If workers can produce their own products without management, what's stopping them from doing that in a capitalist system? The fucking government isn't instilling CEOs, they create the business by organizing the labor. If a hierarchy wasn't necessary for a business to run, then it wouldn't be part of the system.

And there is plenty to criticize about capitalism (hence why National Socialism exists), but shit like this is just retarded

>>127664072
You historically illiterate fuckwit

Tesla refused to patent almost all of his inventions because he wanted humanity to benefit from his mind, not his own pocket book

He put himself in the poorhouse
It was HIS CHOICE

>>127664072
>hurr durr I am the morally superior person because I work a lot doing dumb shit the market doesn't want, so based on my righteousness I will vote to steal all your riches and see you become poor
>social "justice" wins!

>>127675139
What is a doctor? What is income? What is progress? What is evil? What is what?

>>127675254
>when the stare is taking all your resources for redistribution.
What are you on about?

>>127664072
sage

>>127664072
And yet Nikola Tesla will still be widely known when Paris Hilton is long forgotten 2 years after she dies.

>>127675220
Neither has pure communism. Everything that's been tried was a stepping stone to it, and it's all failed utterly.

Former communist countries have embraced capitalism. Capitalism wins. Period. China and the former USSR prove it.

>>127675164
He'd probably just say why the USSR was bad and why socialism isn't inherently pro USSR. Conversations about socialism only end with "muh (insert disaster country)" in sham debates.

>>127666435
National

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>>127675274
That's because blacks have a hard time having a stable non-monarch democracy that is needed for great accomplishments. Also blacks have the lowest IQ on average, which doesn't help.

>>127675354
Tesla held over 300 patents, and sold them to the highest bidder, you larping, shitposting autist.

>>127675254
Explain the success of glorious capitalist India.

>>127675254
Pure ideology: the post
*sniff*

>>127675220
Corporation wars, price gouging, manipulating prices against competitors etc... Can you imagine a future dystonian society where corps are completely unregulated and in the endless pursuit of power, wealth, and fame?

Laughably in that situations conservatives would be calling for regulations until balance is achieved. Conservatives want balance, modern leftists just want a totalitarianism.

>>127664072
Tesla was mentally ill. He tore up his contracts. If he had been sane he would have died a multi-millionaire.

>>127674819
When? Are you talking about countries like China that grew their economies by killing fewer innocents than they did before? Or countries that developed just after adopting communism?

>>127675588
He'll probably just say it wasn't "real capitalism" because they have a communist party, then continue ranting about how communism relies on having no political opposition. Lol.

>>127675327
He sold his patents for pocket change. Debate me. With facts. Leave your personal attacks at home.

Commies always say their system is fairer and more humane, but what good is communism without the gibs? How is working to earn a ticket to the literal breadline better than working to earn dollars that you can use for whatever you want under capitalism?

>>127676187
Nah, farm (you)s somewhere else, faggot.

>>127675181
Nikola Tesla is John Galt

>>127675353
>why doesn't some small indie hipster company do a socialist gimmick and pay their workers the equivalent of the profit they generate minus expenses needed to maintain the company
>never mind that 99.9999% of the country's wealth and raw materials are tightly controlled by plutocrat capitalists
You can actually find results of what you're advocating if you search google for companies without CEOs.
>http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38928528
But some hipster companies are not going to change the problem of massive capitalist exploitation.

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>>127664072
It seems you don't know what Capitalism is.

>>127676371
Exactly. Give up after you get called out in a lie. Bye bye.

>>127675703
>>127675208
Stalin actually raised living standards substantially. People weren't very well off by most indicators but they were richer and more modern than before, and safer (streetwise) and more stable than after 1991. Despite housing being mostly small apartments and country houses, there were hardly any homeless people. While things like bananas were rare and food supplies were unpredictable, people after 1947 didn't have to worry about famine. Most people didn't have cars, but they could take a train. Crime in the form of bribery (and later embezzlement) was problematic, but street crime, drug use (other than alcohol and tobacco), and organized crime were much less common than they were in the 1990s. Those are all remarkable achievements for a poor, formerly war torn country.

>>127664072
kill yourself communist rat

>>127666435
He was a Serb, what kind of a Serb is a socialist.
I know, Croatian.

>>127675423
If you're going to divide the population into classes and reshape society based on those divisions, you have to define what the working class is. What is it? How do you determine whether or not someone is a worker?

>>127664072
>there are no gibs for anyone who is lazy
Sure there aren't. I bet you know it all, never have lived in a communist or post-communist country?

>>127664072
Capitalism, is just one of many systems, of economics that may or may not be used, in a free society. Communism, is an ideology that covers economics, spirituality (mandatory atheism), philosophy.
>the workers will be handed control as soon as communism is stabilized.
that never happened, indeed, as soon as it was deemed unsustainable, in the USSR, the people not only lost their chance at that main tenet of communism (workers in complete control), but the oligarchs, and the ranking members of communist party, or more specifically, the kikes, ran off to Israel with the wealth of the USSR. In short, the same thieves that looted Russia, loot the West also, but in a free society you have greater options towards recovering this lost wealth.

>>127676829
>>If you're going to divide the population into classes
Why would a classless society divide the population into classes?

>>127677045
Don't play dumb, you know it's only a "classless society" after all the purging and disproportion of the bourgeois

>>127677221
The Holodomor was not the result of a shortage or economic failure, it was Stalin intentionally trying to fuck over Ukrainians.

Communism is trading being dependent on your boss (whom you can leave) to being dependent on a government.

>>127677045
As far as I'm concerned this is a classless society. I have an income bracket, but there's nothing permanent tying me to any particular "class."

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>>127677433
>literally describing capitalism

>>127677537
>what is regime change

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>>127674570
Anarchists hated someone?

>>127677424
What's your excuse for Chinese cannibalism?

>>127676489
My point exactly. This shit only works in small cozy office companies because they're not doing much work to begin with. But it severely restricts the company's ability to grow. No one is going to increase their standard of living by working at that company.

And the reason resources are owned by fatcats is that it requires a massive organization of labor to extract those resources. You think that 40-person consultant company is going to be able to mine coal effectively?

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>>127677651
Mao was a literal fucking retard of comedic proportions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign

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I find a gold mine.
What's my incentive for not hoarding it and gaining an advantage over all of my neighbors (who I hate because they are assholes)? Other than not being shot in the back of the head by a government official?

The system of government is almost irrelevant. Unless the Jew is purged first they will subvert it and ruin it.

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>>127677954
Jews invented it to destroy us. It doesn't work.

>>127664072
>there are no gibs for anyone who is lazy
I almost fell off my chair.

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>>127664072
Lack of private property.
It denies man the fruits of their labor.

>>127677857
Magic.

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>>127678050
I weep for you Fernando

>>127677656

hehehehehe

>>127664072
>Tesla
>Most important inventors
He didn't invent a single useful item. He created tesla coils which do nothing but look pretty.

>>127677830
A retard that was worshipped as a god and granted absolute power by your shitty death cult.

>>127678172
Thanks, my dude.

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>>127677729
>my point is that you can't have worker self-management in a capitalist system
>what's stopping [workers] from doing that in a capitalist system?
Yes, the communist answer is that the capitalist system is the problem, which is why it should be changed.
>You think that 40-person consultant company is going to be able to mine coal effectively?
Very few workers (relatively) work in the primary sector of the economy (raw resources) even though it's crucial to the economy. That's why communist governments usually use central planning to manage it.

>>127666129
And been smart enough to pick a better business partner. His Waldorf Tower thing is also pretty stupid, no one else has even attempted to recreate it despite there being tons of billionaires who could afford it.

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>>127664072
>muh communism
N-n-no guys, it'll work this time. R-r-really.

>>127678344
>>127673214

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Why is communism bad?
its not bad in theory but the pursuit of it leads to failed state or regression back to square one take china and russia..of course the totalitarian 'commie' gov stays in some cases even with liberalization.

>>127664072
Hilton gave 100 million in value to the world, if she hadn't she wouldn't be rich, commies like tesla added nothing so he was a poor loser all his life, the $$$ don't lie.

>>127673214
>countries compete against each other
>Capitalist countries defeat communist countries >waaaahhhh but the Capitalist countries didn't allow us to develop in a test tube free from all outside influence
This retard can fuck off. Communism wasn't some nice guy ideology where they wanted to live in harmony with the shiteating Capitalists. Both systems competed for dominance but obviously the worse system lost out.

>>127664072
>I pretend that capitalism is defined as giving money to the smartest people
Then you obviously don't know what capitalism is, you faggot.

Also when it comes to TV, movies, and music, in general people will listen to whatever gets played.

Bad choices get made.

Useless faggots get paid.

Estate tax should be 90% after 5-6 million.

>>127673214
>Let their guard down.
What a faggot. You need to defend your country, if you do not. You lose.
Imagine if America could let it's fucking guard down. We spend the MOST on military. If we could funnel all of that into infrastructure, education, and science then no one would want to even try communism we'd be so busy progressing.

>>127673709
>soviets captured a shitload of german tech and scientists at the end of the war
>>omg dumb burger thinks capitalism is more innovative Xd

>>127664072
Tesla was a genius, but also very limited.
He only used his intellect to the things he had in his mind, he had hallucinations with aliens, he was (literally) autistic and because of it his relationships were very limited. His OCD made his own colleagues grow tired of him.

There's a reason why Thomas Edison became a millionaire and Tesla ended how he did. Both were really important in the industrial electricity field but one knew how to use the money he earned while the other one did not.

>>127677891
>propaganda
The cause of the black out was due to the USSR dissolving on December 26th, 1991. 50-90% of North Korea was powered by Soviet Oil piped in from Siberia. The fall had the lines shut off for a while, leaving North Korea and China scrambling to deal with the issue. While there was still some light there, in the popular internet photo it is clearly doctored as the lights from surrounding countries fallow a complete outline of North Korea, leaving only Pyongyang and a few suburbs lit, they did it on purpose to make it not look doctored. This is easy stowed away as doctored because of the DMZ line between the Koreas. The DMZ is a 4 Kilometers wide, the line is the most heavily defended area on the planet, so naturally, there would be LOTS of light, and you can see the South Korean Line at about 4kilos from the outlined boarder (which was clearly computer added as the earth has no visible boarder lines, especially those being able to be seen at night) but does not show the North Korean line. We all know that any nation in north/south korea’s position would route all the necessary power straight to their side of the DMZ as to not be over taken by a lack of light. This is only common sense. Who ever doctored the photo probably took out a lot of the other residual light around North Korea and dimmed the light in the capital while also taking out the light completely from the DMZ, because that would clearly be the most lit up place other then the capital.

>>127678751
after throwing 25 million slavs at them :3

>>127678528
>Over 2,000,000 deaths + 260 million cluster bombs and 7,078,032 tons of explosives (3.5 times the amount dropped during WWII) dropped on Vietnam by the US to decimate the country purely to stop communism from prevailing
Yet Vietnam likes America now. Why do you think that is?

>>127664072

Capitalism is ridiculous garbage but so is communism.

Communism worldview is totally unscientific. Class does not determine the person, things like race and IQ do. There is the same impossible pursuit of inexistent Equality in communism that we see in Neo-Marxism today.

We must have a society based on scientific and historical truth and what works, not what we would like to be true, such as that human beings can defy nature and make everyone equal through the state. It's a delusional ideology and that's why communism failed.

Marxists blamed the bourgeoisie before, now they blame Whites for all the world's problems. In both cases, their "successes" will only bring misery and failure.

>>127664072
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2uDnuy0j092c0VUMzlCakFyajQ/view
200 years together, go read it.

>>127678647
>>127678740
You either get to be intent on communism failing just because "it doesn't work" and has inherent flaws, or you get to accept that it's actually threatening to capitalism and could take over the world without war being waged on it
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory

Friendly reminder that African countries, India, Bangladesh and other poor countries are capitalist.

>>127673285
Yeah it's not like communism sent the first satellite into orbit and first human or anything. Not to mention Soviet era stuff comparatively was better for its era than current Russian stuff.

What shit capitalism brought was homelessness and evictions to Russia. Something relatively foreign to them before.

Both systems suck, face it.

>>127674101
first satellite = useful (satellites duh)
man in space = useful (data for further missions)
first man on a rock = not useful

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>>127664072
>a problem caused by the stupidity of people and the demand for bread and circus

>must be solved by centralizing the entire economy into the hands of a few people who will save all the bread and circus only for the elite

>>127678751
>amerisharts captured a shitload of german tech and scientists at the end of the war
>>omg dumb vatnik thinks communism is more innovative Xd

>>127673798
I recognize that image you fucking spider, ya can't fool me twice.

>>127678850
The "computer added" border line IS the well-lit demarcation line you fucking mongoloid.

>>127665892
has there ever been a time in the last 500 years where 20% of the people didn't have 80% of the wealth?

>>127679152
Actually, see. Those aren't the only 2 choices. Life is full of choices. A general can take his entire army group away and (after fleeing the rest of the army trying to kill them) attack communism because it's secular. He could do it because the leader was the leader of a terrorist group. He could do it because the communist country is invading another country for any number of reasons. He could do it because he is insane. He could do it because Communism starts with "C".

You see, anyone can dislike communism for reasons that you didn't specifically make up, just now on an internet anime messageboard.
I for one wish we would invade North Korea and free their people and kill as many Chinese that intervene as necessary.

>>127664072
Tesla is a complete hack and a disgrace for science.

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>>127679427
better quality of live then easternbloc...sure problem with dindus but you fucks taking arab dick now.

>>127679765
>get an xray
>dark spot
>it is cancer
>surgery
>cured of cancer
>thanks tesla

>>127674570
>People producing the most hold most food reserves
Color me surprised
Also, deadbeats somehow always manage to hate hard-working people like the kulaks.

>>127670859
>the workers built your factories and the machines they use
They were paid to do that, they did not do this out of their heart they were PAID to do it

>they operate, maintain, repair them, they extracted the raw materials in the first place and they are the ones who refine them
again ^

>You just described your so called "job" perfectly: you oversee them, make sure they stay in line and eventually give back a fragment of their work's worth so you can keep the most as profits.
No, he is the one who is responsible for EVERYTHING, ok? He had to risk and invest, probably take a loan in the first place to be able to build this company. If it doesn't work out you as a worker just walk away scot free 0 responsibilities.

>Your class is the parasite of 99% of the humanity and you can only keep this position by making us believe that in the economic process we need you.
Because you do. NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING stops you from forming a company with like what, 100 other people, buying machines working together and sharing profits equally, GO ON AND FUCKING DO IT YOU STUPID COMMIE.

Yet you won't because you are an unskilled worker and you know that no one wil agree to work manager job, going out in constant stress working overtime to make sure your company has business and will agree to be paid as much as some talentless 19 year old that just sits on the production line and moves his arms around a bit.

>>127676781
Don't you have to hire more mexicans to save on labor costs so your fat wife doesn't lose those precious freedom pounds, capitalist pig?

>>127679691
If the US invades DPRK, they will have to kill millions upon millions of people and oppress the vast majority of the rest to install a new imperialist government. The country will most likely turn into Syria 2.0 and have several resistances. DPRK is not a country of people "held hostage," they have a culture where their leader is viewed as a father figure for their entire country, which is like an extended family. They're raised like that. It's not fake. Why do Americans have the delusional conspiracy theory view that everything North Koreans do is specifically for them? Not everything revolves around you. North Korean culture is vastly different from what you think it is. What you're advocating for is the equivalent of going into a culture and killing their god, then expecting everything to be fine afterwards.

If there was communism Tesla wouldn't have worked as hard as he did because he got the same no matter how good he was thus causing him not to be as great an inventor

>>127664072
Because niggers

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>>127668056

paris hilton may be a talentless celebrity, but she´s a good business woman
also
>true gommunism has never been tried

>>127680144
Alright. Just don't complain if our country keeps centralizing and becomes a literal military dictatorship. It's just "culture" happening. You have no right to resist it because you think this is fine.

But in reality. They all know he's just some asshole. They don't think there's a literal incarnation of God and he happens to be their leader. They're just keeping quiet so they don't get killed. Just like at work you know you have that one idiot supervisor who doesn't know fucking anything but you don't say anything because you don't want to get fired and he can't personally fuck with you all day every day.

>>127664072
Tesla was obviously super smart but he was irredeemably autistic.

In business, Edison took a scour pad to Tesla's asshole and fucked the bloody tendrils that remained. So, yeah, the system fucking works.

>>127680001
>No, he is the one who is responsible for EVERYTHING, ok? He had to risk and invest, probably take a loan in the first place to be able to build this company.
No one is denying this. In a socialist system, the founder of a business would clearly establish with his employees that a portion of their wages are going to be extracted to compensate for financial security, maintenance, debt, expansion, etc. This would be upfront and clear. There is a difference between the role and income of a founder being established based on his contributions (which are obviously important) and the concept of a company founder automatically owning every single thing every employee ever does--the concept of the employer as a tyrant. This allows the employer to stagnate anyone's wealth regardless of their contribution. It separates work from reward for everyone except the founder, unless the founder graciously decides to toss someone a bone to boost their morale.
>Because you do. NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING stops you from forming a company with like what, 100 other people, buying machines working together and sharing profits equally, GO ON AND FUCKING DO IT YOU STUPID COMMIE.
I already replied to this: >>127676489

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>>127668056

>>127674166
that makes it ok

>>127665892
>the only difference is Paris would also be poor.
She's very poor in character, integrity, everything that matters but money.

>>127680571
If this were true, that North Koreans dislike their leadership, why not let them rebel on their own? Why is that not their own responsibility and right?

>>127677424
REMEMBER COMRADE

EATING YOUR KIDS IS BAD

>>127666435
He wanted to give free electricity to everyone, so no. Too bad the Jews pulled plug before he could finish his experiment.

>>127681043
It's faster. We can save this generation instead of the next.
It would have happened by now if they had real power projection, what with the missile testing and constant threats.
God-King is the lowest tier of government. The most basic. He only cares how life is in his palace.

>>127680795

Lol, no. In a racialist "socialist" state, Tesla would've been protected, championed, and allowed to benefit society through his work without worrying about shekels.

Geniuses to contribute to the commonwealth shouldn't be inhibited through their lack of muh business skills.

Your worship of capitalism is what's autistic, more like fully retarded.

>>127681578
>Geniuses who

>>127664072
because americans think communism is their bourgeois liberal left wing

>>127679926
>kulaks were honest hardworking folks who cared about the country they dindu nuffin

If it was so the revolution would never happen n the first place. They were corrupted and greedy af. The whole pre revolution Russia was nothing more than a rotten system that's why they failed. Your brainwashed by your new regime's education system desu.

>>127681292
Save from what? DPRK closed down their largest labor camp in 2012. A far lower percentage of North Koreans are imprisoned in North Korea than American citizens in America. Almost all sources of DPRK human rights violations come from the same four defectors from the 90's, during the famine.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
Wow, we gotta overthrow the US, look at how many people they're locking up in concentration camps!

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>>127670617
Also this.

how does communism make sure the best and the brightest become rich and successful?

>>127682182
How does capitalism?

>>127682182
It doesnt. It pays you the same (((wage))) as everyone else and expects your 110%

>>127682258
I don't know and that wasn't my question

>>127682182
The best and brightest would become revered and respected, not rich. They would go down in the history books, given awards, and praised by their communities. Do you think Isaac Newton was motivated to research because he thought he'd get rich off it?

>>127681578

It is an economics fact that something like 40% of the new wealth created since WW2 has come out technological innovation. It is obvious we should encourage innovation through R&D like we have done since the real inauguration of the mixed economy post-WW2. What came out of those outlays? Oh, the FUCKING COMPUTER.

Enabling scientists like Tesla is an economic no-brainer. How the hell does it make economic sense to scientific geniuses like Tesla to be restrained by private and personal investment of capital?

>But muh capitalism

>>127682258
Because the best and brightest have the freedom, the space, to take their idea, ability or skillet and show it to the people. If the people like it, they will buy it. If they buy it alot, you get rich. Usually the best and brightest not only have intelligence, but something called drive. If you want a thing, you will WORK towards it. Work seems to be a scary word in todays' vernacular

>>127664072
>no gibs for the lazy
Nigger, ride public transit sometime. Or write your congressman.

/faggot thread

>>127682053
Mate. You're defending North Korea.
Don't worry, I'm sure >>127677891 is just some form of Utopian light pollution reduction so they can see the stars at night.

Oh yeah, how many homeless do you share your home with? There's nothing stopping you from making the change internally. The American police will not kill you for helping the less fortunate.

>>127682418
>Because the best and brightest have the freedom, the space, to take their idea, ability or skillet and show it to the people.
Unless they're one of the 168 million people working in sweatshops as children instead of getting educations. Or unless they have no leisure time to do research or experiment because they're in poverty. Or unless they don't have the expendable income to buy the materials they need to create things or make investments or employ people to collaborate with them.

>>127682550
Mate. You're calling for the deaths of millions of people because "it would be faster."

>>127682399
>It is an economics fact that something like 40% of the new wealth created since WW2 has come out technological innovation.

Cool so since wealth is created then it doesn't need to be redistributed got it thanks. Gommunism btfo

>>127682731
There were no sweatshops in USSR. If you studied good you were guaranteed a better job and if you worked hard you'd get promoted. University education was free for everybody but some people preferred to work after two year service in the army.

>>127682877
I'm calling for the salvation of the oppressed. Those that stand in the way are oppressors.
South Korea is clearly a modern nation, where a poor man may work hard and rise. In North Korea there is no way to escape poverty. The economy is shit and the leaders will enforce your serfdom for the "greater good" so that they may eat their fill to better serve the "greater good".

>>127682731
>sweatshops
because working is better than dying and not being able to start a business because of shit government policies and taxation keeps you from doing something bigger. Before the industrial revolution in which kids were working in coal mines they were dying instead.

>>127682731
Bro you're in America. Show me the sweatshops. Show me how busy all the people in poverty are not to have a Goddamn thought in their head, or a motivating factor to get themselves out. Capitalism puts the responsibility on the person. Nobody wants to take responsibility for themself? Not my problem. All the tools are there for them. Even extra onespecial in the form of 'entitlements.'
They're not just there to be leeches from, you know. Someone doesn't have the drive to work expecting someone that does to pay taxes for them not to work? Call me crazy, but fuck that, and youreally probable defense of it. Opportunity must be sought and then taken, it is indifferent to anyone's lifestyle choices.

>>127683155
cool what point would I get promoted to the position where I get to starve out my own people?

>>127683467
I'm failing to see what point you're trying to make now. are you arguing both for and against communism?

>>127668056
Of course they eat

>They eat the bullets from their authoritarian government if they try to escape, anon.

>>127683467
You have to be a capitalist from the wall street and create a depression to achieve that.

>>127683155
The person I replied to was defending capitalism.
>>127683180
Poverty in a nation is not immutable. South Koreans can escape poverty only to have others fill their places as poor, because there are jobs that don't pay wages above the poverty line. (According to official estimates, about 15% of South Koreans live below the poverty line. In contrast, 4% of South Koreans are unemployed). Those jobs aren't going to cease to exist once someone graduates from them. So capitalism says that whoever works those jobs (that we need) deserves to be poor.

North Korea is still recovering from a catastrophic famine "of Biblical proportions," and it's a surprise their country still exists at all. They have made significant progress in their quality of life since the 90's. Hard work is also incentivized, so it's strange to see people simultaneously claim that "Pyongyang is only for the upper class" and that zero upward growth is possible.

>>127683891
Pyongyang and zero growth have nothing to do with each other.
That's like saying
>it's strange to see people simultaneously claim that "Moscow is only for the upper class" and that zero upward growth is possible.
in feudal Russia. Of course there was an upper and lower class. (by the way, I thought communism was about eliminating classes, but you can skip that for now) But peasants had no growth because one horse was worth more than several of them put together.

>>127683891
Yes, I defended capitalism. You haven't engaged in a meaningful retort beyond your strawmen as of yet. You're talking about SK, a failing 'democracy' with weird witch leaders (http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/11/01/500176290/pressure-mounts-on-s-korean-president-to-step-down-amid-scandal) and freely aknoledging the actual downsides of "commie" govt's (I.e. your sweatshop comments)
Yet you're against a system that literally encourages you to work hard? Look. Idk how familiar you are with business, but like I said before, if you have an idea, skillet, product, and it's worth a damn, people will buy it. If you're coming from "poverty" level, there are investors EVERYWHERE. an investor is someone willing to give you money because they want to help you move forward with whatever cool new thing you're doing.

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>>127683320
The industrial third world was created by neoliberal policies. Sweatshops exist to serve the international corporations of Western countries.
>>127683348
You can't just ignore the fact that most of the world is impoverished. Even if you focus on America, the argument that everyone should just become a business owner doesn't make sense. Each business needs to have a workforce of people who are paid much lower wages.
>pay taxes for them not to work
Most people living in poverty DO work. This is a google search away, anon.

>>127684486
The hardest working people in a capitalist system work the shittiest jobs. The shittiest jobs get the worst wages. People are punished by the system and looked down on for being construction workers and toilet cleaners, but they do it anyway just to survive. Communism would "encourage" these jobs far more than capitalism does.

Not everyone can do "cool new things." The same people who accuse communists of being idealists and utopian seem to think everyone, or at least a large chunk of the population, can occupy the relatively few jobs that are highly rewarded in a capitalist system.

>>127682332
>Do you think Isaac Newton was motivated to research because he thought he'd get rich off it?
"Setting my heart on money, learning, and pleasure more than Thee" -- Isaac Newton
Yes I do

>>127664072
I actually quite like her, though. She deserves 200 million.

>>127684994
Construction workers aren't looked down on. Prevailing wage is one of the many capitalist magics. I would kill for a construction job, to be outside, even in the cold, I love the cold.
People are at the bottom because they want to be. I would know. I'm at the bottom in a factory and instead of studying something on this 3 day weekend I played videogames and I'm shitposting here. People are where they deserve to be. I'm no good so I don't deserve more money. Hell, maybe communism is for me, that way you can work harder for the pride in your country and I can loaf about. You still need people to stock snack machines in a communist society. You build cars, I'll walk around in your air-conditioned break rooms. We'll enjoy the same pay though, don't worry about me making more than you.

>>127664072
Her money is invested everywhere, keeping hundreds of bright lads occupied and working. Having high IQ is not a guarantee of success in life, moreover it doesn't mean you are actually "the best". It just means you analyze information faster, but nowadays you can be substituted by a machine learning system.

>>127684618
Well, I'd say it's a good thing that 'everyone should become a business owner' wasn't my point then, isnt it? I'm certainly not one, but in a relatively short time, I've risen from living in a ratty trailer in the worst place locally with a terrible home life through my childhood and adolescence and zero dollars to a comfortable, hard earned (what we would call) middle-class home and lifestyle, career with benefits and salary, a wife and a little girl, and I'm happy. Know who provided that happiness for me? Me. Know how I was able to change my life? Capitalism. The system works if you TRY to be intelligent and not be lazy.
But you are God damn right, if I built a fucking empire of a business, if it were my idea, my creation, it makes all the sense in the world that I should be paid more than my hourly employees. I OWN the shit.
Finally, I would consider poverty to be a subjective term. If you are of the opinion that if you make what the government calls poverty, poverty, then sure, most (but actually closer to half) people in poverty have some kind of job. (But if you look closer I
A lot of that is even made up of service-tip based jobs and let's face it, if you live in an area where you're a server ((only job)) for a few tables a night, it's not really far-fetched to assume you'll be living in poverty.) That all being said, nothing is really stopping you (legally) from getting a better job unless you're an illegal imigrant. Kinda goes with that whole personal responsibility to better your own self I was talking about earlier, which, since we live in a capilist society, and seeing as how I know the system works if you also WORK, is the reason I think "poverty lasts as long as you allow it and that you're full of shit to argue that a system that will stifle my desires and ability to have the feeling of genuine, hard earned success is somehow the correct answer to a problem that wouldn't exist if people weren't as fucking lazy as they are

>>127684994
This is the most ignorant thing you've put forth yet. The 'shit ties to jobs?' Define shittiest. A damn plumber makes oodles of money for a really hard, stinky gross job. Know why? SKILL

>>127664072
Nepotism is to blame for Paris' money. We needed to start this summer out with stronger bait.

>>127664072

Isn't Paris Hilton's worth from a trust fund set up by her ancestors? I think her grandfather build the Hilton hotels.

>>127684994
Also, you seem to have a very poor opinion/faith in people if you don't believe every single person on this planet are capable of the impossible. We are the most complex and advanced things that we are currently aware of. Communism itself sells human potential short.

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>>127668056

Audibly keked

>>127682332
>Do you think Isaac Newton was motivated to research because he thought he'd get rich off it?
Are you serious or just pretending to be retarded? It's well known Newton was greedy. Newton did research into alchemy because he wanted to get rich
making gold. He almost went broke multiple times trying to get rich quick on stocks. There is also his famous quote about getting money, knowledge, and bitches that the other anon posted.
If you got your information from real sources and not starry eyed reddit videos you would know this, communist know nothing faggot

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>>127668056
Have another, friend.

8h workday is a meme and should be abolished. Even after 100years we still work the same amount as our ancestors did, despite the fact we can produce and make things 1000x faster and nearly everything today is automated.
In most western societies it's even impossible to get a job unless you got contacts, there is just not enough work for everyone.
The capitalistic mindset that everyone needs to work 40h/week is outdated and needs to be updated, but people just scream "communism" even by the thought of it. There's literally no reason for us to have such long workdays anymore.

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>capitalism rewards those who deserve it
>investors of the transistor / discoverers of DNA not multi billionaires
Nope

>>127686601

Attitudes like this is why China will dominate us in the coming century.

I also would like to submit the opinion that I would prefer the doctor being paid through a capilist society to perform my heart surgery over a doctor being paid the same wage as the guy that collects his trash.

Like, come on.

>>127686601
Work is necessary for the soul you dumb lazy nigger

>>127664072
Capitalism is very much like evolution.
The spoils go the the fittest, not fittest as in the strongest, smartest, fastest, or wisest, but one who fits the best.
The money goes to whoever can convince others to willingly and voluntarily give it up. Dumbasses want to buy Parris Hilton named crap? Congrats Parris you win money. Tesla couldn't market an idea to save his life and Edison was a better salesmen? Sorry Tesla, you lose.

>>127686610
Finland was capitalistic and they had the best pilot outside of Germans, scoring 62 other planes. (every single 100+ point scorer was German)
So yes it does.

>>127685858
>I'm no good so I don't deserve more money.
Full bootlicker mode achieved.
>You build cars, I'll walk around in your air-conditioned break rooms. We'll enjoy the same pay though, don't worry about me making more than you.
No one thinks piggybacking is a significant problem under communism other than conservatives who don't know anything about it. "From each according to his CONTRIBUTION, to each according to his need" was the form of Marx's parable that was actually adopted, because the Marx quote was describing a post-scarcity society. Communism would guarantee employment as long as there is work to be done, but it does not need to guarantee wages for the unemployed.
>>127685922
The poverty line is actually set relatively high. Most would consider making $12,000 a year poor since you probably couldn't afford rent anywhere, but that's above the poverty line if you don't have children.
>The system works if you TRY to be intelligent and not be lazy.
What's "lazy" about low-paying blue collar jobs?
>TRY to be intelligent
Intelligence is genetic.
>I should be paid more than my hourly employees.
More? Sure. The problem is when you automatically own all the profit all your workers generate. It disconnects them from their own productivity and leads to a world where a handful of people control as much wealth as half of the world's population.
>That all being said, nothing is really stopping you (legally) from getting a better job
What about "not being hired?" Not everyone can be hired for "good jobs." There will always have to be people working the "bad jobs."

>>127673489
Well if youre smarter than your jew boss and he doesnt pay you money he owes you id quit too

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>>127664072
Nikolas tesla let's see...
says on Wikipedia he didn't pay his bills and took out a huge loan for a project that he ran out of funding far. Good thinker though.
Tried to rehash failed inventions... bad move bro. refused to consult doctor after getting hit by a car... see, the thing with geniuses is they aren't really good at things the commoner has going for them, you know, like finance, and health decisions...I do feel really bad for him because of that though...

>>127686877
Exactly. I contribute very little, and I'll need a lot.
By the way I'm saying I don't deserve more because I build plastic washer bottles in a factory. I put on a few grommets. If I want more I'll study. I'm no bootlicker, and I intend to be supervisor very shortly in the mean time.

>>127674361

Because if you lobotomize someone he can't work in the Gulag. Also a lobotomy was considered a cure and according to Sowjet doctrine the only cure for being an enemy of the people was hard labour. That is if they didn't decide that you were hopeless and had to be exterminated. Not so humane after all, huh?

>>127664072
>i'll use a single example to define an entire system
go to Venezuela or Cuba for a year, you won't last a month without your accomodated way of life.

>>127686601
>> not enough work for everyone

Bruh, knock door to door and see what people need done. Develop a skill. Put your fucking mind to something, see a job done and do it. KIDS set up lemonade stands on hot days for fucks sake. They have more common sense than you seem to have and THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE EXPENSES

>>127664072
What if everyone is lazy though?

>>127686843
Is this something wagecucks have to convince themselves to be able to spend their whole life working their ass off for no reason?

>>127664072
>every one gets paid
>not gibs
DOUBLETHINK
Also, tesla did die impoverished, but nobody cares who Paris Hilton is it will remember her when she dies. Teslas name will live on, which is more than sny thing you can get while living .

Op is a cocksucking Nigger

>>127671944
>>Humans are naturally greedy
those who want to reach power are, so they will be in charge of the goverment while the rest will be lucky if they eat once a day.
honestly whoever that defends comunnism never lived a single day in a poor neighborhood or around normal people.
believing that everyone is wonderful if you let them is fairy tale tier.

>>127667816
So when commies go on about "who's going to care for those who can't work?" they just plan to get rid of them or something?

>>127679663
Yes now.
1% own 50% of the wealth

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What first got you interested in politics?

>>127687067
Sounds like true competition. If you fuck up you die.
Truly to survive such a system an remain at the top you must be a genius

>>127664072
Communism (or any ideology that combines socialism and totalitarianism) kills motivation to work, because people do not have private property.

There is simply no reason to work ( without war ). That's why communism uses forced labor.

Capitalism gives reasons to work.

>>127671944
Both are true, because people are generous once they attain a certain level of comfort and security that capitalism provides.

>>127673677
>who were nazi scientists

>>127687067
lobotomy is a slow torture, russians may kill a lot of people, there are over 9000 ways to kill, but they do not make slow tortures, it is against nature.

>>127686877
By grewntexting three fragments of my post, doespecially that mean you cede to the rest?
There's nothing lazy about blue collar jobs, I never said there was. There's nothing lazy about having a job in general. But if you stop moving forward, that is. If you do that have a job and live off of entitlements as many, many people do, that is.

If you say, I have a job but it's shit, work it until you get a better one, but a better one won't ever fall into your lap. Usually good jobs look for good people. Good people usually actively seeking and attempt to secure good jobs.

Intelligence in this context is not used to extrapolate correlation between people and jobs. I was using it more in terms of "common sense," although I disagree entirely with your assertion that it's solely genes that determine intelligence (iq)

What about not being hired? You think it unfair that a company hiring for 2 positions interviews 20 and has to decline 90% of the applicants? I don't understand your point here. You win some you lose some. Determination is an important pillar of character, as are many others, that, when applied simultaneously, generally cause an all around increase in probability of successfulness. If you wanted a job and for some reason you didn't get it, what? You just quit searching altogether? These arguments are juvinle. Please, instead of virtue signaling and trying to play in my emotions with "muh he didn't get the job but he's a good goy," come up wither an argument that genuinely challenges my stance on why true capitalism is the most free system.
Nb4 America isnt 'true' capitalism; unfortunately, I know. Damn joos

>>127664072

Capitalism is anyone can be rich. Communism is GIBS ME DAT.

>>127687233
No reason? What actual incentive does one have to work in your communist utopia?

>>127687337
Guess what didn't get those families there..... capitalism.

>>127687661
Are you trolling? You like the whole eugenics thing, huhe? Not a fan of human rights

>>127688482
Isnt free competition the whole point of capitalism?

>>127688617
You're calling lobotimzation competition? I suppose I can't directly argue from an objective stance, but it suprised me anyone from the left side of the fence would honestly (openly) piss on human rights.
Oh wait, abortion is a thing

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Tesla pursued knowledge without much regard for his finances, which is a fine choice so long as you accept the logical endpoints of that path. If he had pursued basic business knowledge he would've been better able to pitch and finance some of his brilliant ideas and not be poor.

It's well known that populations regress to the mean. So you have Hilton 1 who is exceptional and builds a fortune. Then Hilton 2 maybe holds onto it or loses some value because they are competent but not exceptional. By generation Hilton 3 perhaps their kids lack work ethic and squander the wealth or are eaten by the competent competition. Rise in iron boots and descend in silk slippers. This is fine and perfectly natural, but you take a snapshot of this story and claim it is unfair, as if fairness is anything more than a subjective concept in your head.

The truth is that the only families that retain power and wealth are those who are politically entrenched. So if you want to talk about fairness let's talk about these people and not the free market, because the free market sees ascension and descension as families rise and regress relative to mean intelligence and ability. Let's talk about how the big government that you want to implement to force your ideals on others is going to solve this problem. Because if you can't address these points, you're being used as a tool to build a machine that will swallow you whole.

>>127688963
1000% post.

>>127664072
U moron, he left communism for a capitalist society where he could invent.

>>127689315
They just don't get it. I wonder if one day we will all just grow tired of attempting to explain color to blind people. Then what? The world just implodes?

>>127689315
Austria-Hungary wasn't commie. Left of the USA, and poorer, but not commie.

>>127689473
What is your definition of commie? A simple read into the politics and policies of the day would perhaps negate your statment

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>>127686877
Hey bud if you dont like how the businesses are around you, you can open your own and pay your employees 100% profit if you wanted in the free market. No one would stop you from opening a farm or factory that offered lodging and food for FREE as long as laborers contributed. And as long as it's a good idea, you'll have people lining up to join so you won't need to force people to partake.

But your system advocates blowing my brains away or starving me in a work camp for failing to adhere to production quotas, taxes, price controls, and all sorts of immoral and inefficient laws. You can be as communist as you want in a free market, the reverse is not true. So the only one holding a gun here is you, but you want to use language to make yourself the moral actor, unable to understand how it looks from the other side of the gun. Madness.

>>127664072
Tesla's money problems were largely self-inflicted. He lived at the Waldorf Astoria, took a pigeon to the vet for $2,000 (not adjusted for inflation), and he spent his resources on "eccentric" inventions (like earthquake machines).

Tesla was a genius, but he was terrible with money.

>>127690120
THIS

>>127690120
From the thumbnail I thought that was going to be.
>The Earth
>My disgust
but reversed for some reason

>>127690153
That earthquake machine was.the exactly a failure though. Eccentric for the time maybe but we have come a long way in structural engineering since then and the general concept he had put forth then remains a fundamental understanding in said field

>>127686601
Fool you live in one of the most socialist western nations still standing (for now). You have no perspective of what a free market is. Maybe if you didn't pay over half your income in taxes that go to feminist beaurocrats and immigrants who subvert your culture and genepool you could work less hours weekly and get even more time in the cuckshed making Odin weep.

The whole point in implementing foot in the door socialist policies and taxes is to destabilise the market so that a generation or two later retards like you look at how fucked everything is and blame it on the free market, thus sealing your fate as a free population. It would be fine if it was only you who is hurt by your foolishness, but it remains that you will drag others and the unborn into totalitarianism because you were swindled by silver tongues and abandoned your history and reasoning. I'm ambivalent though, if western Europe falls soon my country will see a huge pushback against such toxic ideology.

>>127690120
> You can be as communist as you want in a free market
That unironically sounds like a good idea. They should save a little money though to reinvest into maintenance and expansion though. And instead of providing food and lodging for free, just give them tradable items that they can trade with outside sources for food and lodging for maximum freedom. And then to attract and incentivise the best and hardest workers maybe give them a little more of the tradable goods. But this system of tradable goods sounds like it could get complicated. If only there was some form of value that one could trade in a liquid fashion... like some kind of capital

>>127664072
Yes because all those Soviet scientists were super-rich, right?

>>127690834
>> tradable items
Money
Gold
Shekels
Shit
I see you, you unironically ironic bastard, you

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>>127690834
>capital
How do you intend to trade national capitals?!
That's the stupidest fucking thing I've heard all thread.
No no no. What you want is some sort of fiat currency. They're nice and small.

>>127686610
how exactly does discovering DNA make you rich? You aren't exactly making a product from DNA, people might make an exploitable product from that knowledge that would make them rich, but not just the knowledge itself.

>>127690834
Bravo. I think it would be great if communists practiced their supposed virtues in a free market so long as they let everyone else do the same. I don't fundamentally disagree with socialism because I am "socialist" in my expenditures with my family and some friends but the great thing about those cases is that they are voluntary. Communists could potentially boot out free loaders and perhaps even be successful, who knows. All I really disagree with is forcing people to associate and adopt something they find immoral.

>>127691406
Oh holy fuck. Were you the one condescendingly referring to simple Google searches? If so, Google search. If not, also Google search

>>127691406
Also what he fails to mention is that Watson and Crick held comfy seats at the heights of their field in ivy league universities and were given tons of money to see what else they could find. They were highly valued until one of them was excommunicated for saying facts about the biology of women.