Good evening, /pol/: I am a PALAEO-LIBERTARIAN; DEBATE ME.

Why you no reply?

>>127663280
/pol is always slow on Sunday nights, wont pick up for at least 5 more hours

>>127663280
its so stupid im almost positive you are a troll

>>127662453

> PALAEO-LIBERTARIAN
> I AM SILLY

So you are just indecisive on what sounds edgier and cooler: libertarianism or fascism

>>127663535

It's monday.

>>127662453
I am a classical right leaning libertarian.

How do you differ from a typical libertarian?

>>127662453
What specifically is a paleo libertarian

>>127663716
Lulz.

NEET sighted.

>>127663716
yes, you are correct
my bad

>>127662453
answer these questions:

>>127663775
>How do you differ from a typical libertarian?

>>127663839
>What specifically is a paleo libertarian

>>127663839
A libertarian that doesn't eat processed foods

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>>127663715

Fascism is national corporatism; palaeolib is national capitalism. The 'palaeo' prefix shows my disavowal of 'open borders' libs and similarly repulsive subversives.

>>127663775
Paleo-Libertarianism is Socially Conservative (aka Traditionalist) Libertarianism

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>>127662453
who builds the death camps in a paleolibertarian society?

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>>127663775

>>127663839

No open borders. Organic hierarchies. A preference for some social conservativism (I am bisexual but I affirm monogamy and oppose promiscuousness). Race realism and ethno-nationalism. No allowance of advocacy for democracy or communism. The final Red Pill.

>>127664414

Why agorian color for AnFash flag?

>>127664916
im colorblind so no idea. it all looks blue to me

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>>127664047
A Paleolibertarian is a libertarian with conservative social views, opposition to open borders, lgbt mental illness, multiculturalism, and egalitarianism.

Folks like Hans Hermann Hoppe, Murray Rothbard and Lew Rockwell.

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>>127664183
lel

>>127665080

Those who invite migrants must legally assume all attending risks and liabilities of said migrant in a libertarian polity.

>>127665754
Naturally.

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>>127664794
>I'm bisexual

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>>127664794
>>127665080
nobody ever reads your giant pngs

><trolling>
OP, if you don't want sanctuary cities you hate hispanics and muslims. if you don't vote for trans-gender bathrooms, you hate lgbtqduhufksdfuhsjfdurrr ppl. if you don't support welfare for taqueefa and her 30 niglets, you hate niggers. why are you such a racist biggot homophobe xeneophobe? you need to check your white privilege!
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>>127666111

Fuck Cucker (and not in a sexual way). At least Caplan is a kike so he has that excuse. Cucker has no excuse for shilling open borders. Pic is muh husbando.

>>127666111
has this guy ever successfully started a business? i remember him larping at last porcfest that he was going to compete with facebook or someshit and it turned out he was using drupal or wordpress and not writing code. at the same time, he's well intentioned.

>>127666699
checked

>>127666520

>OP, if you don't want sanctuary cities you hate hispanics

I am (Europoid) Hispanic.

>and muslims

Yes. And?

>if you don't vote for trans-gender bathrooms, you hate lgbtqduhufksdfuhsjfdurrr ppl.

I am bisexual so...

>you hate niggers.

True.

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>>127662453
Im curious as to what palaeo libertarianism is. Explain it to me, and I will attempt to point out any flaws.

>>127666794

DUDE

NOT SUPPORTING OPEN BORDERS

IS LIKE FASCIST

LMAO

Or let me die.

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>>127662453
>>127665080
>>127664794
>imma libertarian 'ceptin' ah wanna kill or run off everyone who's not me and bring back the good ol' days of the victorian era
Pseudo-libertarians are the fucking worst. At least commies and natsocs are honest about what they are. You guys just want to bandwagon onto a movement that's better than yours.

>>127667167

See: >>127664794

>

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>>127667105
wtf is this, show and tell? can you not read xml? i literally give 0 fucks about your personal characteristics.

>>127667308
YOU
HAVE CONVINCED ME WITH YOUR CAPSLOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>127667167
saved

>>127667364
Eat shit, stop posting my OC, Murray Rothbard the Daddy of ancap is PALEO.

>>127667364

The essence of libertarianism is free association which necessarily includes Whites who prefer other Whites. Nothing I wrote is incompatible with libertarianism. The founder of anarcho-capitalism (Murray Rothbard) was in agreence with us.

>>127667563

I was parodying Cucker.

>>127667594
>paleo
>edginess
keep it simple stupid. conservative works just fine. if you have to be esoteric, just say minarchist

>>127667931
ok.
>I KNEW IT YOU SHITEATING FUCKSNIFFER!!!!!!

>>127667951

But modern conservativism is fucking retarded.

>>127662453
>Don't tread on me!
>I need to conform!

>>127668101
the left changes definitions all the time. why can't you?

>>127667951
I'm not a minarchist. I just think the state should be geared towards protecting property rights as long as it still exists.

>>127668101
they control webster's and wikipedia. we control urbandictionary.

>>127668218
but that makes you a minarchist

>>127668192

The Left has cultural hegemony though.

>>127668342
they like to larp like that's the case, but they're deprecated

>>127668293
No it doesn't. We should work towards ending the state as the ultimate goal. But the state still exists. Pretending it isn't there doesn't make it go away.

>>127668475
please estimate the odds of abolishing the state within the next 100 yrs without the USA being overrun by commies and/or ahkchmeds

>>127664794
So Chris Cantwell

if the federal reserve bank, which is a private business btw, profits off of printing money but printing money causes inflation, which it does, should the federal reserve bank be abolished?

>>127662453
if the federal reserve bank, which is a private business btw, profits off of printing money but printing money causes inflation, which it does, should the federal reserve bank be abolished?

>>127663535
>/pol is always slow on Sunday nights
t.last week

>>127669037
>should the federal reserve bank be abolished?
t.1939

>>127668981

A monopoly or oligopoly enforced by government is still distorting a free market. Maybe more so than direct state intervention. Concerning monetary policy --- in absence of comprehensively free market money and banking --- Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>127668460

I hope.

>>127662453

Hey I'm a Paleo libertarian too, feels good to know it's more than just me.

>>127670234

Mein neger.

>>127668475

>But the state still exists. Pretending it isn't there doesn't make it go away.

>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oAT14h5_lMo

>>127670301

It came from the realization that a society without a strong set of moral values and traditions was destined to fail free or not.

We need to preserve a link to our past and our futures just as much as we need free markets. More or less I believe everyone has the right to indulge but I believe that it is important to "make peace with religion as the bedrock of liberty, property, and thenatural order" and my family definitely won't indulge in some lefty bullshit

>>127666969

Kek'd.

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>>127662453
>Paleo-Libertarian
>A fucking fasces in any image with anything to do with libertarianism
You need to do research into the symbol. The fadces is THE icon of collectivism. Trash this right now and start again; the snake+fasces doesn't mean what you think it means
>>127670234
>>127670301
Where did you two happen upon this term? I'm curious, all that is implied in it is already built into Paleo-Conservatism and this honestly sounds like a term that wants to distance itself from the right. There is no need I'd say; the only distancing need be done from the right is from neocons or their far more dangerous variety; crypto-Democrats.
Expand on what you mean and beleive if you would.

And for context I am am a:
NatCap (A Laissez-faire Republic implied therein) PaleoConservative (Libertarianism & Individualism also implie therein) Meritocrat, or you can simply boil that down to "Objectivist".

>>127672229

I oppose open borders so I desire a clarification which conveys that. The snek fasces means sometimes liberty requires collective action against communism and other tyrannies. Why a republic?

>>127672229

I believe that Paleo-libertarianism distanced itself from paleo-conservatism after the later put too much faith in the central planning of markets. I believe in a much greater degree of economic freedom than an average conservative.

Like lifestyle libertarians and unlike social conservatives I believe that reprehensible things should for the most part be legal although unlike lifestyle libertarians I believe that I have a right to discriminate against whomever I wish on the basis of said degeneracy.

>>127672229

Generally I agree with you though. Put it this way I'd be far more inclined to vote for a conservative with a shot than anyone else.

>>127673189
>desire a clarification which conveys that
No you want a clarification that conveys this *but still built into one word*. Sometimes champ one's only recourse is to use more words. Objectism for example actually encapsulates everything correct in the world but to clarify further nuance I have no choice but to use more wordse.
Your reasons for using the fasces are understandable however never forget the base folly of the fasces; the sticks in the bundle aslo necessarily implies an "acknowledgement" of what supposedly happens to individual sticks when not in the bundle. I say supposedly because this is not the true nature of the world. The fasces ALWAYS implies that those who refuse to be joined to the bundle *deserve* to be broken. Either but their felows or as a simple mater of course and cause & effect, but it always implies. This is not actualy the nature of both man and groups on men.
I completely see what you are going for but you need to cook up something better as far as imagery goes. The fasces is counterproductive

>>127674493

A hyper-individualist race will be broken though.

>>127673856

This is right.

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>>127669909
agreed

>>127675355

Saved.

>>127673856
>I believe that Paleo-libertarianism distanced itself from paleo-conservatism after the later put too much faith in the central planning of markets
Very nice; I too agree with Rand's only critisism of the founding fathers in that they failed to engineer the myth of altruism out of their craft.

Conservatism however is far to valuable a term to me on how it relates to the Conservative/Progressive dichotomy of the true nature of Liberalism.
Liberalism being "left" and opposed to conservatism is to misunderstand (and many """report""" on this misunderstanding purposefully) the nature of these terms. In the past "Liberalism" was used as shorthand to what was actually meant: "more liberal action" "liberal progress never slowing". Now we have the term "Progressive" which reflects the actual interplay of terminologies going on. The left of old essentially claimed the mantle of ""Liberalism"" to imply their opposition wasn't. Even the right fell for this. The truth is that both are Liberal; just that in the left's case they are Progressive Liberals. Which in reality is falsely Liberal.
The thing Conservatives are trying to *conserve* is Classical Liberalism. Which is to say the liberalism of the founding fathers. We Conservatives know that Liberalism has two forms: conserving liberal values, and progressing liberal values. We Conservatives also know that activism is a bell-curve on a graph; that on that graph there is such a thing as too much activism and that more and more of it starts to degrade society where previously it improved it. The Progressive (which is to say wrong) view of Liberalism is that activism for it must keep going more and more never stopping. The Conservative view of Liberalism states that the "sweet spot" can be reached and once activism starts to go too far and starts to harm, we must then conserve the best, provably working, amount of perfect realistic Liberalism.

>>127676148
I'm a classical liberal not a libertarian

>>127676239
You repeat yourself

>>127676239
same thing

>>127676384

Isn't NatSoc anti-classism?

>>127676384
I fall in upper right sane and negotiable despite being very middle class. Honored.

>>127677307
no it's not. Libertarianism believes in absolute liberty and that a free market society combined with the most freedom possible is the best way to empower the individual (basically a party/ideology of business). A classical liberal does not believe in absolute liberty, but that liberty should be the primary central focus; and because they believe there is no absolute liberty, they believe that there are some (yet few) exceptions to the rules while libertarians do not. Classical liberals believe in a mostly free market society, but they believe that the protection of people's natural rights, individualism, and holding the government accountable is the best way to empower the individual, unlike libertarians. Also, Classical liberals are more non interventionists and follow more of a Jacksonian foreign policy while libertarians are more isolationist than a classical liberal. Classical liberals and libertarians are on the same page when you look at the main determining factors (large or small government, free or controlled markets, military intervention or non intervention, and the extent of social liberty) but when you look at these things in more detail you come to find out that classical liberals believe in some (yet few) exceptions for the sake of liberty and libertarians do not (being more of a party of business).

OP is fag.
Says Paleo-Libertarian but image depicts Fascist Libertarianism.

>>127678430

There's a difference?

>>127678249

I see.

>>127678430
His reasons were innocent enough, he thought the occasional need for action on the part of multiple individuals towards a single goal can make them a "collective". Meaning he thinks the terms collective and group or organisation, can be used interchangeably. See our exchange above.
>>127678803
Yes, skipper. A big one. A fundamental one.

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>>127678249
As one of those classical liberal Paleo-cons, this is a fair, even-handed assessment of both parties anon.
10/10 good job

>>127679649

I mean 'fascism' in its popular sense not its technical sense.

>>127662453
>palaeo
Why do people just make up terms/use other people's made up terms. Dworkin is spinning in his grave right now

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>>127679881
thank you my good man

>>127668101
Once you grow up, get a job, and start paying federal, state, and social security taxes on every paycheck, car note, car insurance, health insurance, rent/mortgage, you'll realize that your classroom ideals of everyone paying their fair share so layabouts can cheat the SSA benefit system isn't very attractive

>>127680325
The technical sense is the only one that matters.
The "popular sense" of things is the purview of the left, not of us.

>>127663280
>Why you no

>>127664794
Hoppe is an aspie and his ideology is retarded

You know you're just describing the world, right?

>world is technically anarchy when it is unclaimed
>nations begin to form, kill other nations, and rise up from the anarchy
>countless nations form and break up all across the globe, excluding and including various ideas

>>127680901

I realize that. I mean modern conservativism is for big government, wars for Israel, is socially conservative in a very distasteful way, and is for furthering White dispossession through legal immigration.

>>127681392

>Hoppe is an aspie and his ideology is retarded

How so?

>>127681161

Good point.

>>127681536
From what I've picked up (so naturally correct any misconceptions), he believes in the logical step after an Ancap society tries to form, being that with no monopoly on force encompassing a large area, the people will form their own mini communities based around certain ideas.

That is literally just how the world works today but on a larger scale. We call these mini communities countries.

Also, they won't ever work together. Anything foreign cannot be trusted and is a threat to your way of life so you will go there, conquer them, and spread the ideology which you believe in 100% to be the only true and correct way of thinking, hence forming massive empires.

>>127681711
cont. anyone who is a minority in a disagreeing with you in your realm of influence is a threat because they can grow more numerous, and because they disagree with you they will challenge you.

The natural conclusion of Hoppe Libertarianism is NeoReaction.

>>127683023

Indeed.

Having read through this thread I can only express disappointment in the fact that the term NeoConservative was taken away from us before we could turn it into into something it should have been instead of the left-apologist cuckservatism that managed to coin it.
It COULD have been meant to mean Conservatism that embraces the only criticism of the founding fathers that has ever been valid; Ayn Rand's rejection of the myth of altruism. NeoCon COULD have meant a new Conservatism being thrust unstoppably into the future under the mantle of Objectivism that completes it (the constitution).

I guess I must be called a Classical Liberal generally.
A Libertarian fundamentally.
A Paleo-Conservative specifically.
An Individualist operationally.
A NationalCapitalist economically.
A Meritocrat governmentally.
And an Constitutional Objectivist over-archingly.
"The Right"

>>127683023

I would consider myself a neoreactionary. Nick Land is huge influence upon my political philosophy. Neocameralism is how a palaeolib policy is achieved.