TFW to smart to be a capitalist

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>>127614698
Why are you living at all? I mean, from the point of your parents?

I mean, you have been only a huge money-hole that has needed thousand's of hours of work AND you have depraved them from a LOT of sleep, so why the fuck did they make you at all?

>>127614698
Because under communism you would be even poorer.

I'm middle class which is fine enough.

Under communism, I probably would be targeted to have my properties and money taken.

Honestly, if you have more than 10,000 USD, regardless of if its in cash or assets, you have more than your fare share of the amount of value this entire planet's economy has.

>>127615063
Thye should've thought about that before they decided to make their product with inferior materials and, possibly, haphazard workmanship.

>>127615063
Says the one on welfare
>>127615268
Yeah no shit communism sucks,

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>>127615913
>fare share

>>127615991
But then again, it might be genetic so can you blame them at all?

>>127614698
>to smart
>to

Yeah. You're brilliant

>>127614698
I hope Gulag serve u well

>>127614698
We're semi socialist, so the government is taking most of my money, the harder I work the more they seem to take. If we were more capitalist I suspect I'd actually receive something in return for my money, which is nicer than starving under pure socialism.

>>127614698
>not knowing that even if you make minimum wage, that you too can invest
>not having enough patience to contribute to capitalism through investing for a lifetime to amass a fortune for your kin

or

>not having the creativity, drive, or vision to create or seize an opportunity to amass a fortune for yourself at a younger age

you don't have to work for someone else, and no one is keeping you from getting in on the same investment opportunities that they have. you're pathetic and will probably stay poor, keep complaining.

>>127616029
>dat image
>dat opinion
So what's your fantasy system?

>>127614698
WTF i want everyone to be poor now

>>127616443
No, no, no.. You're allowing yourself to get ripped off and allowing the government to take your money by not incorporating entities in areas were they treat you better in terms of taxes. Stop being so single minded where you think that you have to have everything in Australia, if they treat you unfairly in taxes, then keep your money elsewhere where they appreciate your business.

>>127615913
My family is in the 2%. THis is NOT good enough. Unless your in the 1% you are basically a slave.

>>127616159
Who cares? Specil needs schools don't do anything anyway
>>127616235
That's the joke idiot but sure
>>127616443
Under socialism there is no taxes

>>127616694
My family is rich i don't need minimum wage. And no you can't EVER get enough to actually join the "club" which is the establishment. Capitalism is a genetic heiarchy passed on through inheritance.

>>127616694
Stay poor tho, keep blaming yourself.

>>127614698
I'm a business owner. All the adult men in my immediate family are business owners; my grandfather being the head of a multinational corporation.
We're not 1%-tier "rich as hell", but we've certainly benefited from capitalism, all of us being middle class and content with our places in society. When my grandfather arrived in this country, he had no ability to speak English and no money in his pockets, now he's living the good life.
Tell me, why would I not support the very same system that allowed my family to get where it is today? Just what entitles you commies to the shekels and lifestyles we've all worked so hard to earn? What gives anyone the right to do away with the system that allows for the greatest degree of social mobility?

>>127617629
>Unless your in the 1% you are basically a slave.
You've never been a slave before, have you?

>>127619380
Because you stole your money from the working class. Its not yours. For example my family are really rich (sort of). They are board room executives, they make money off the employees of the company working to create something, selling it at a higher price than what the worker was paid, and then the company pockets the profits and pays the executives a lot of money. Shit is fucked up in my opinion. It's stealing but with a lot more beurocracy. Basically feudalism, think about it, is the king stealing from the peasants who work their ass off? YES! But it's not considered stealing since its masked through religion and rent and property and all that other bullshit.

>>127619533
My dad gets up everyday for work at 5 and works his butt off for the CEO. THat's slavery.

If you were too smart for capitalism then you would be smart enough to find a way to get filthy rich in a capitalist economy lol.

>>127614698
Because I have a masters degree in social economics.

>>127614698
>>implying someone in the 1% isn't behind this keyboard typing these words right now

The only reason you are anti-capitalism is because you are too weak to make something of yourself

Find out what others need, whether it is a good or service & then GO AND GET IT/DO IT FOR THEM

Holy shit you fucking lazy Canadian

>>127614698
Faggot, from the moment civilization was created humanity doomed itself to servitude.

The reason capitalism is the best economic policy is because it allows the truely talented and more importantly dedicated to move up in the world.

>my grandparents were trailer trash
>my parents were middle class
>I'm going to get a doctorate

Capitalism sucks ass... for the weak

>>127619655
>>stole money
I am pretty sure he ( and I for that matter ) entered into CONSENSUAL agreements whether its for labor or goods

Don't agree to the terms and read your contracts you pinko faggot

>>127614698
We dont live in capitalism. If this is capitalism, then explain why there is a CENTRAL BANK, PLANNING the cost of money (=rates)

What in reality makes rich people richer and poor people poorer is the Money Socialism. Look at the Money supply M3 and think about it. If you are a wage slave, then when the ammount of money is increased your wage is less worth.

And people who own stocks/real estate etc. are getting richer because their value is measured in FIAT Money of which there keeps being more and more printed.

>>127619893
My family is rich and it has nothing to do with being smart. My great grandfather was illiterate but bought property since his European dad gave him a lot of money and it happened to develop around the area so he got lucky. Nothing good about that the proletariet works their asses off
>>127619895
If you really understood economics, you would support socialism
>>127620055
My family is in the 2% my dad hopes to be in the 1% before he dies through investment.

>The only reason you are anti-capitalism is because you are too weak to make something of yourself
Or i understand morality

>Find out what others need, whether it is a good or service & then GO AND GET IT/DO IT FOR THEM
Except the people with money are those who have everything. The poor are those who need stuff and have no money to buy my product.

You're a lazy burger, too lazy to work so you get the proles to do it for you.

>>127614698
>to smart
only a leaf could nuke himself in the thread title. sage

>>127619655
>you stole your money from the working class.
Wtf is that supposed to mean? I didn't steal anything from anyone.
Define "steal".
>>127619744
It's precisely that kind of work that allowed my family to get where it is.
Slavery is when another person literally owns your life: that person could do literally anything they want with you, and you couldn't do shit because you wouldn't even be considered a human. Slavery is fucking awful. You're a free man, so stop comparing yourself to slaves, you entitled sissy.

>>127620249
You are the weak dude. My grandfather was illietaret but inherited a ton of money and his European dad gave him a lot of money. Nothing to do with skill. The talanted get screwed in capitalism look at Good Will Hunting. Look at this shit.
>>127620254
I never agreed to the deal Exxon Mobile made with the U.S government, yet it still went through. Shit is fucked
>>127620328
Wealth inequality was highest in 1800s

>>127620460
>if you really understood economics, you would support socialism

That is in no way an argument nor a rebuttal. You need to specify your reasons.

>>127619655
fucking leaf, just end it

>>127620603
Enjoy your ban
>>127620634
>Wtf is that supposed to mean? I didn't steal anything from anyone.
Every dollar you own

>It's precisely that kind of work that allowed my family to get where it is
We should all get to where your family is for free

>Slavery is when another person literally owns your life: that person could do literally anything they want with you, and you couldn't do shit because you wouldn't even be considered a human. Slavery is fucking awful. You're a free man, so stop comparing yourself to slaves, you entitled sissy.
Holy fuck your a sissy, stop getting so butthurt online. Geez. Slavery is when your boss controls what time you go to bed.

>>127620748
It's literally the EXACT argument you used.

>>127614698
Because it's the economic system that has don't the most to raise the living standards of capable people. Just because I'm not as capable of producing value to my fellow lan as bill gates doesn't mean I'm getting ripped off

>>127621064
EVeryone except the 1% is ripped off in cpaitalism. Look at GDP. ITS AMAZING. Wealth is being created like that and we are still fucked.

>>127620737
Luck is a part of the human experiance.

It is not the most talented or qualified person that succeeds but the person that works to put themself into a position to get lucky.

Socialism is the government trying to prop up those that are both to lazy to try while draining the economy and poisoning our culture.

>>127620737
Good will hunting? A fucking movie? Just stop being a fag for once in your life and just ask yourself why people flee from socialist countries into capitalist ones

>>127620966
No, I wrote the statement that I have a masters degree in economics. I did not make an arguable point within the subject of economics, in fact you were the one who told me that I don't understand economics, and to really understand economics I have to be a socialist. So the burden of proof on that is on you.

>>127621434
Last time i checked Somalis are fleeing Somalia to get into the EU
>>127621431
Then we can change the human expeirence. Capitalists are lazy.

>>127620909
Answer my questions, faggot!
What does "stealing" mean to you; and how have I done so?

>>127621249
>avoiding the argument this hard
How is Nigel being ripped off when he doesnt provide as much value a Bill Gates?

>>127621533
You said you weren't a socialist since you had a masters degree.

>>127621794
Because Nigel is poorer than Bill Gates since he doesn't steal from the working class
>>127621688
Stealing is using another mans work to get rich.

>>127621865
You're simply wrong. I replied to your OP, you said: "why do you support capitalism?"

And I made my response: >>127620748

>>127621865
>>127622114
Apologies, I meant to quote this post: >>127619895

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>>127620737
>Wealth inequality was highest in 1800s
So? Have any sources on this? Even if, it doesnt mean anything. How do you measure it? If someone is rich, doesnt mean someone other has to be poor. USA is out of goldstandard since 1973 (= real capitalism) and look what happened:

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/08/compensation_productivity.jpg

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>>127621676
The Somalian government hasn't built a wall to keep people IN.
>>127621865
Instead of arguing about who said what, whay don't you explain how a person with an understanding of economics should support extensive socialist policies?

>>127622269
If the rich are rich it means they must have gotton it from the poor.
>>127622279
>somalia government hasn't built a wall
Because it got no money

>Instead of arguing about who said what, whay don't you explain how a person with an understanding of economics should support extensive socialist policies?
Because this is a he said she said bullshit debate.

>>127617805
>undersocialism there is no taxes
XD
There are 100% taxes. You don't "own anything" = we tax you 100%

>>127622536
>If the rich are rich it means they must have gotton it from the poor.

Bullshit. So how can it be that all of us are richer then we was 500 years before?

>>127622788
Increases in productivity. However the rich have been a huge drain on the productivity. Look the average American is no better than the average American in the 1950s yet productivity is way higher. WHERE THE HELL DID THAT EXTRA MONEY GO

>>127622536
>>127621949
>gommunism will abolish patents
>this is a good idea
>My family is in the 2% my dad hopes to be in the 1% before he dies through investment.

Someone who believes destroying intellectual property is a good idea can't be more than 14, and you're certainly not in the "2%". Why are you pretending you understand the struggle of the working class? What do you think "the poor" actually want? Step by step.

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>>127622536
Why do the prices for real estate/food/land/ and everything else rise?

There are only 2 logical possiblities:

1. There are less real estate/food etc. pp which is not the case

2. There is more money available which is what happened.

Thats why we need to grow all the time, because if we dont grow but still print the money, we end in hyperinflation.

https://www.mises.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Canadian-Money-Supply.jpg?67f6f1

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Eurozone_M3_money_supply.png

>>127623355
>Someone who believes destroying intellectual property is a good idea can't be more than 14
Strawman

> and you're certainly not in the "2%". Why are you pretending you understand the struggle of the working class?
Wait wait wait. You say im not in the 2% but then you say im not part of the working class? Which is it, because fun fact I am both.

>>127621949
>Stealing is using another mans work to get rich.
Then we're clearly not on the same page as to what constitutes as "stealing". To me, stealing is taking property that does not belong to you, without consent of the person who owns it. From my perspective, labor and time is something that can be bought and sold: when an employee works at my company, that employee willingly sells me his labor, and I, as the buyer, gladly compensate them for it.
I would fucking off myself before I allowed myself to become so Jewish that I paid my workers any less than what I promised them.
>Because it got no money
Or, because their government is virtually nonexistent, let alone authoritarian enough to try to trap them in that shithole.

>>127623520
But if we grow and money doesn't expand that causse deflation

And what if we stpped growing but stopped printing money?

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>>127614698
How could anyone actually feed Das Kapital through his brain cells and find the arguments solid?

>>127623684
>Then we're clearly not on the same page as to what constitutes as "stealing". To me, stealing is taking property that does not belong to you, without consent of the person who owns it. From my perspective, labor and time is something that can be bought and sold: when an employee works at my company, that employee willingly sells me his labor, and I, as the buyer, gladly compensate them for it.

Just owning property is stealing it from the community.

>I would fucking off myself before I allowed myself to become so Jewish that I paid my workers any less than what I promised them.

Even paying your employees 500K a year is stealing since you are getting a product from them that is sold for more

>Or, because their government is virtually nonexistent, let alone authoritarian enough to try to trap them in that shithole.
Good point

>>127623661
Yeah and my dad works at Nintendo. Making juvenile claims with no evidence is why you sound like a teen. Also, genius, that's an "ad hominem", not a strawman. The preservation of IP rights are a relevant and legitimate criticism of socialism.

>>127623217
>ook the average American is no better than the average American in the 1950s yet productivity is way higher. WHERE THE HELL DID THAT EXTRA MONEY GO

It was inflationated away. Look at the M3 Money supply of every central Bank worldwide.

If you save money it loose more and more value as more and more money is being printed.

Stocks and real estate on the other side costs more of the new created money. Thats how rich get richer and poor get poorer.

Or do you know any other actual logical way this happens beside of the leftist autistic screeching "BAAAD RICH PEOPLE!!!"

Stop printing money and problem is solved.

>>127614698
>to smart
>to
Too smart

Try harder to be *to smart

>>127623948
Well your poor so you would like it.

>>127624073
Yeah sure buddy. Even though I NEVER CLAIMED IP RIGHTS WERENT VALID
>>127624117
If you don't print money then deflation occurs, shut up with your conspiracy theories
>>127624238
That's the joke

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>>127623778
If you stop printing money then the prices of stocks and real estate begin to fall. Thats what they are scared of and thats why they saved the "too big to fail" banks.

Because if the real estate and stocks prices fall, people who are in debt will also go bankrupt as the price they paid for real estate was too high.

How ever it is still a ponzi scheme and it will collapse as soon as there are no new people who will take debt.

Thats why we need immigration, just look at the demographics pyramid. If there is no one who will pay for the old peoples over priced houses, it will just fall apart

>>127623661
>2%
>Working class
Pick one, you entitled, Middle-class summerfag.
Post un-dropped balls

>>127623981
>Just owning property is stealing it from the community.
Why? What normative principle do you use to reinforce that claim?

>>127624311
No I wouldn't. Hopelessly ideological to even take that old fucking opus seriously

>>127624764
So immigration is good and printing money is good
>>127624773
Anyone who's not a Bush, Rockefeller, Kardashian, Obama, Clinton, or Trump is basicaally working class. My dad has to get up everyday of his life to work his ass off and my mom has to work everyday that's slavery.

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>>127624480
Deflation is bad? Really? When you make money it will get more worth. Just look at bitcoin.

Also this is how it did work for 6000 years.

>>127624480
Also this is not a conspiracy theory but a matter of fact you dumb fuck.

>>127624989
Because when you buy property you are buying it from someone else who bought it from someone else who bought it from someone else who bought it from someone else. Until eventually it goes back to someone who stuck a flag in the ground and said "this land is mine god gave it to me"
>>127625242
Yeah but in deflation no one spends their money so theres no jobs.

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>>127614698
You do realize that the reason you are in the 2%, is because of capitalism. You would be much worse off without it. Since you don't support capitalism, what do you support? Just curious if you are retarded or actually have any idea what you are talking about.

>>127614698
>TFW to smart to be a capitalist
Translation:
TFW to loser, incompetent to create or offer something for sale, without knowledge to work something useful and get paid so i will blame successful people because i am useless bitch that needs money so i don't like capitalism

>>127617805
>under socialism there is no taxes
how stupid are you? The community/social order owns everything, you only get your fair share determined by either the dictatorship of the worker or basis of bare minimum need.

SORT YOURSELF OUT, LAST THING WE NEED MORE IS RETARDED LEAFS

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>>127625171
Still a ponzi scheme. You still need endless growth for it to work. Since 2007 it doesnt really work because our productivity doesnt grow.

Never in history did a paper money system worked for a long time.

@127623981
>Even paying your employees 500K a year is stealing since you are getting a product from them that is sold for more
Why does it matter what I do with the product I bought at a pre-determined price? So long as I pay my workers no less than what I promised them, I've fulfilled my end of the bargain. Are you implying that all of my workers are screwing themselves by willingly participating in a labor transaction? because that's incredibly disrespectful.

>>127625505
>the reason your in the 2% is because of capitalism
So the reason im a slave to the 1%, get told im worthless have to work my ass off and have basically no resources is because of capitalism? THANKS

>what do you support

Communism but I call it socialism since whenever I bring up communism everyone assumes im talking about USSR and North Korea.

>>127625336
Bullshit. So if you can buy more, you will not spend your money? I would buy stuff I really need. And at some point in time I will die, so why hoard all the money?

As said, this worked for thousands of years and brought us here till 1973. Since then money is just paper.

>>127625336
>Yeah but in deflation no one spends their money so theres no jobs.

This is also a lie told by central bankers. If you really think it is true then explain to me why then...

Till 1973 people still was buying stuff even if the money was more worth year after year as the productivity was growing.

>>127625532
You're clearly just a poor loser who's too much of a bitch to admit he's a victim. So you rationalize it saying that it's because your lazy or something. Enjoy being a loser
>>127625580
You're sooooo dumb. In socialism the government owns every corporation, all the oil and all the resources, the government is so rich it doesnt need tax dollars>>127625692
So whats your solution?
>>127625699
Because you stole the money you used to pay the workers. That's why. Literally every way possible you got your money is a form of theft, it's disrespectful and its disgusting

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>it's a rich underage leaf thinks he understands the world episode

>>127625898
You just said it would cause people in debt to get screwed
>>127626108
Inflation was at like 5% before the 70s

>>127626380
1. I'm 18

2. I'm poor as fuck in terms of a Marxist perspective. The poorest people are actually the servants of the bougaise and executives are basically servants to the rich shareholders from Europe

>>127626182
>So whats your solution?

Freedom. Capitalism. Let there be free money so people can choose with which money they want to be paid. If you were paid with Gold, your buying power would be really good right now:

http://longtermtrends.net/real-estate-gold-ratio/

Gold/Silver Standard. Sound money:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJ0CUT8d_Y

>>127625701
capitalism can be more fair than it is, you start business and earn as much as your abilities and knowledge is letting you, you are just comforting yourself by saying that you are to smart for capitalism, you are just useless for capitalism, you can't invent or start your business like Bill Gates he had idea and knowledge to realize it every penny that he earns his for he is not forcing anyone to buy his product ad he is not stealing, best you can offer is to sociality is work for ritch man and this is why dont like capitalism

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>>127626182

>>127614698
Biggest retard of the day award goes to OP as well as biggest cock sucker of the day!

>>127626591
You said you're in the 2% range: you have no clue what it's like to be poor.
>I'm 18
You do know it's considered common etiquette to lurk a chan board for one year before posting, right?
>>>/r/eddit

>>127626763
That's fucked since deflation would cause people in debt to get screwed
>>127626826
No you can't start a business since the rich own everything. Bill Gates inherited everything from his rich dad, the Bill Gates we all love is a dumbass who knows how to inherit money from his billionaire dad
>>127626959
thats proof a gold currency would never work

>>127627053
>You're in the 2% range
Most of my friends are in the 1% and their lives are way better. There parents play around with buying golf courses and causally talk about buying factories and shit. My family can buy a good waterfront weekend house but after that we got no cash. It's all assets. Being rich is wayyyy different than being middle class aka working class

>>127626439
They are screewed anyway. If this shit keeps going, the wages will not catch up fast enought and no one will buy their real estate anyway because no one can afford it.

It will collapse so or so. The sooner the bubble plopps the better.

This bubble is now like 10 years old. Imagine working for 10 years for some company which is just a part of the bubble. You just threw 10 years away with bullshit which never was needed. Maybe it was the most productive 10 years of your life going down the toilet like shit.

>>127627370
> That's fucked since deflation would cause people in debt to get screwed
They are screewed either way

> thats proof a gold currency would never work
Thats not an argument.

>>127615913

>more than $10K
>fair share

Fuck right off you underachiever

>>127614698
>making 2 threads on the same subject
Neck yourself

>>127615268
>there's only 2 alternatives

>>127626182
>You're clearly just a poor loser who's too much of a bitch to admit he's a victim

And you are calling yourself smart, you are a fucking retard only way i could be a bitch is if i start thinking that i am victim and start hating rich people because i am useless prick, that is what you are, and you are too much of a bitch to admit it. You have nothing that you can offer and only money that you will have is what you get from your family, you will not earn nothing because you are useless you probably didn't work in your life you are a parasite and you see it, that is why you don't like capitalism because it is fer and bad players dont like to play fer they like to cheat it is only way they can win.

>>127614698
>it's yet another contrarian faggot leaf thread
Is the University of Toronto doing a group project?

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>>127627370
Go to Venezuela. Everyone is millionaire there. They are so rich, they even import Oil even they have the biggest oil reserves worldwide.

>>127627370
Middle class and working class are two separate classes. Figures that a leaf who can buy a house with cash wouldn't know the difference.

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>>127628007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJ0CUT8d_Y

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>>127625701
Okay, I'm going to try and explain this to you, so bare with me.

The 2% you are currently in, you probably have a very high standard of living. Maybe a second house/cottage, 2+ cars, television, etc. Now under socialism, everyone would have a very low standard of living. Sure, things would be more fair, and everyone would have the same amount, but it would be far far less than what you have now. 1 home, shared with 2 other families, no car, no television. Everyone would have the same low low standard of living.

Is it truly worth it to lose all the great things in your life, just so that there aren't a few people richer than you? Just because things are fair, doesn't mean things are better.

Socialism/Communism is terrible and stupid, because as soon as you try to take money from the rich 1%, they will leave the country, and your country will have nothing. When they leave, all the workers (me and you) split up whats left, and everyone has their fair share. Congratulations, we have achieved exactly what you wanted. Everyone has the same amount of money/wealth. How much is that each? Maybe a couple cents? Now no one can afford anything, we are all starving, and people are shooting eachother on the street for scraps of food (please look at Venezuela). We cannot buy food from other country's because our dollar value is not worth anything since all the rich guys sold their shit and left, crashing the market. Since we split everything evenly, homeless people and others beneath you in the 98% deserve their fair share of what you had, so they will move into your home and divide the space equally. If you resist you will be sent to the gulag. Many people will resist because they don't what their quality of life to drop, and there will be another genocide of millions (see Bolshevik revolution).

I'm not sure what utopia you think socialism will bring, but this is what happens in the real world.

Get your shit together, and become a nazi.

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>>127628178

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJ0CUT8d_Y

>>127626182
>Because you stole the money you used to pay the workers.
Wtf is that supposed to mean? The money I used to pay the workers comes from the sales.
>it's disrespectful and its disgusting
An entitled, 18-year old brat like you may feel that way, but I respect all of my workers, and they're glad to work for me.
I don't know if you've ever worked a full-time job, but none of my workers consider my profiting off of their labor as "theft".>>127627370
>My family can buy a good waterfront weekend house
>Working class
Stop lowering the class bar, you dipshit!
If you think having property is disgusting, why don'y you donate all your assets to nogs in Africa, and spend the next three decades as a WWOOFer?
>Most of my friends are in the 1%
You grew up in an even better neighborhood than I did.
Go make something with your life, faggot.

>>127627846
>he thinks hes not a victim
LOL
>>127627998
How did you know im going to University of Toronoto?


>>127628007
Yeah im sure they are, sure
>>127628022
Trust me. Middle classes work their butts off Chomsky said that the middle classes are working class. I am working class

>>127628274
> Get your shit together, and become a nazi.

Yeah right. Like national SOCIALISM is any better then International SOCIALISM aka Communism. Dumbass.

>>127627370
>Bill Gates inherited everything from his rich dad, the Bill Gates we all love is a dumbass who knows how to inherit money from his billionaire dad

WTF are you talking about he created windows, he started microsoft company that created word, excel, powerpoint, directx..... all that shit is used by customers, he sells that shit that is why he have millions he didn't steal it, he earn that with talent and knowledge can be more fer than that, he was programing from yung age he was not like you sitting all day at home and spending your parents money thinking what will happen when you run out of it without having any talent to earn new money

>>127628274
Under socialism everyone can be in the 1% and why you defend Nazis, Nazis were socialist
>>127628566
They are both good economic systems.

>>127628378
> If you think having property is disgusting, why don'y you donate all your assets to nogs in Africa, and spend the next three decades as a WWOOFer?

THIS

>>127614698
meh i'd rather actually earn what i work for than being an entitled prick or end up in a political gulag.

>>127614698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2omDlZlO_s
communal living works!

>>127628645
You are an idiot. Its not even two economic systems.

>>127628645
>Under socialism everyone can be in the 1%
Name even one historical example that even comes close to the premise of that.

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>>127628566
>>127628645
National Socialism is 200% different from regular socialism (Marxist socialism). In fact I cannot think of a single thing they have in common. Seriously how long have you been on /pol/? This is very common knowledge around here. Read pic.

>>127628641
No he didn't. HE BOUGHT IT FROM HIS DADS INHERTIAANCE LOOK IT UP

>>127614698
>unless you're in the 1% you can't work for yourself
Kanucks be crazy.

>>127614698
>If you don't always win, why play?
Because I like the game. I like what it does for society. I like that the best and brightest and hardest working people can make it to the top.
Are there problems? Sure. Lots of people who don't deserve their wealth have inherited it, lots of people who might deserve more wealth don't get it because of circumstances outside of their control.
But for the most part capitalism provides an equal opportunity for success.
Also, I'm not rich as hell. I'm pretty poor. But my life is dope and I do dope things.
If my life is so comfy even while I'm around the bottom of a ladder that I can climb, why would I want to change anything?

>>127628378
Holy shit your a brat, your workers are brainwashed by the system and thats why they think your anything more than a slave master
>>127628680
No, it's a PATHETIC strawman. I never advocated giving away wealth. I advocated forceful redistribution via taxation.
>>127628731
Then I'm glad you hate capitalism, where you only earn by stealing and if you work your boss tortures you until you give it all to him
>>127628929
Saudi Arabia, Norway, Rome.

>>127629230
>HE BOUGHT IT
Are you talking about Microshaft? He made that shit. The guy's a peek example of capitalist innovation.

>>127629191
Every educated person knows that National Socialism was EXACTLY the same as Marxist socialism economically. Both are against banker thieves
>>127629449
Look it up

>>127629191
Thats just a bunch of bullshit bingo. If NatSoc means that everyone survive, it just produced blond and blue eyed degenerate aryans. In the end it will be no other then now.

>>127629433
>giving away wealth == forceful redistribution via taxation.

>>127629866
LOL NO. Taxation is by force. I am for that, im against a cuck giving away his money for free.

>>127629551
Holy hell if you are this dumb I don't think we can have an intelligent discussion on this topic. I'm leaving. Re-read my first post again and hopefully you will learn something. Bye.

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>>127629230
>HE BOUGHT IT FROM HIS DADS INHERTIAANCE LOOK IT UP

Windows
Microsoft launched its first retail version of Microsoft Windows on November 20, 1985, and in August, the company struck a deal with IBM to develop a separate operating system called OS/2....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates#Windows

You fucking retard where do you live, that is only thing why is Bill Gates known for

>>127630048
Taxation is giving wealth away by force. I dont get what is your point here...

>>127629433
>your a brat
you're
I'm in my thirties. I don't want to be told that by an 18 year-old summerfag
>workers are brainwashed by the system
What a load of bullshit! You clearly have no respect for laborers if you believe that they don't have the capacity to think for themselves. Get a fucking job and learn some proper work ethics.
>I never advocated giving away wealth. I advocated forceful redistribution via taxation.
Why do you need a middleman? You could donate all your shekels to charity today.
>Saudi Arabia, Norway, Rome.
My dad works in Saudi Arabia: they're capitalist as fuck; you can't call everyone "1%" when you live in a dynastic monarchy. Also, what's this shit about Rome?
Anyway, there are entire classes in all the countries you listed that don't come anywhere close to the American 1% you speak of.
>>127629551
>Look it up
I did: I found nothing. Who the hell would he have bought it from anyway?
>>127630048
How can you be for forceful taxation, but against charity? If you think owning property is so evil, you should give all of yours away to the billions of people who have nothing: redistribute it!

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Fucking hate marxist communists aka "i am socialist" bitches, if it were natural selection like in old days they would die off but know their weakness is supported by system

>>127630106
Leave, you are too unintelligent, learn something
>>127630606
I would never give away my wealth willingly, only taxation can take it from me
>>127630199
yeah ok buddy

Capitalism/Communism, Black/White, 1/0. Stop thinking in binaries you fucking retarded goyim. There's a thing called controlled opposition, and your president is an example of it.

>>127614698
Just because someone profits a lot more off of my labor than I do doesn't mean I am getting ripped off. Stop being simplistic.

>>127630886
>Leave
Newfags shouldn't be telling other Anons to leave. Lurk moar before posting, faggot!
>I would never give away my wealth willingly
Neither would I (or at least not through socialism), that's why I'm against socialism. I don't advocate for government policies that do shit to me that I don't want.
If you think owning property is evil, but you refuse to give it up then, by your own standards, you're evil.

>>127630886
>yeah ok buddy
Of course it is ok, because you were wrong and i can't believe that someone in 2017 doesn't know who created Microsoft company, if you don't know that, than you probably don't know a lot of things.

>>127614698

capitalism: free flow of capital, a system where in a transaction both parties benefit

gommunism: "redistribution" of wealth, i.e. using violent force to steal from wealth creators.

pro-tip: richer people tend to be richer because they add value to economy, not because they steal.

>>127630867
>Why do you need a middleman? You could donate all your shekels to charity today.

Because i dont want to give up my lifestyle of going waterskiing and buying fraps and owning a BMW at 18.

>My dad works in Saudi Arabia: they're capitalist as fuck; you can't call everyone "1%" when you live in a dynastic monarchy. Also, what's this shit about Rome?
Anyway, there are entire classes in all the countries you listed that don't come anywhere close to the American 1% you speak of.

In Saudi Arabia the government owns all the oil which is why they are so rich

>How can you be for forceful taxation, but against charity? If you think owning property is so evil, you should give all of yours away to the billions of people who have nothing: redistribute it!

Because if I give away my property to the poor, then the poor will become property owners. I would turn the poor into evil people. I am sacrificing my own morality so the poor don't have to be like me

>>127630882
How am I weak? Yeah im physically weak but my dad hires private security all the time.

And you post a man who was very evil killed a lot of communists, im glad that man suffered terminal lung cancer.

>>127631671
communism is the system where competent people are forced to give money for incompetent so they dont die form hunger and can live like useless parasites for the rest of their life

>>127629433
Haha, no 1% in Norway? Stop talking about shit you have no idea about. Norway is more capitalist than the United States, which is why we're doing better.

>>127631473
Newfag? I've been here all summer (last summer)

>>127632326
Norway has the government own the oil

>>127631368
This.
I've worked for the greediest kikes in my early days, but I've never, ever seen my labor as a ripoff. Work is a trade-off for mutual benefit. Every job I've ever had has been in the effort to work up to where I am today.
This summerfag has no respect for laborers. He's probably never even worked a full-time job.
>>127631883
>Because i don't want to give up my lifestyle
Neither do I.
>government owns all the oil which is why they are so rich
By the government, you must also mean the royal family: they're richer than all the rest of the country, by leaps and bounds. It's by no means an egalitarian society.
>Because if I give away my property to the poor, then the poor will become property owners.
Is this supposed to be some kind of joke? The poor you donate it to will just use it to buy food.
>>127632358
kys

I'm done with this bullshit. I can't believe I let my autism convince me that this thread was for legit discussion.

>>127632768
Your trolling

>>127632424
No. The norwegian government is a majority shareholder in an oil company called Statoil. But Phillips petroleum was the company that first drilled oil in Norway, and tons of different private oil companies drill in Norway, Shell, Phillips, Exxon etc...

Oil is owned by the government in Canada, oil is owned by the government in America is as well. In every country, because the government owns the land.

>>127631883
i dont giva fuck about your physical weakness, you are weak in the sphere of taking care for yourself without other people helping you, first thing you need to do is changing yourself not changing whole sistem so people like you can benefit, get a USEFUL hobby start thinking about ideas, start thinking how can you solve problem that consumers need to solve, don't go to humanities university go to something useful like engineering, ask yourself could you earn your own money without your father helping you, do you have motivation, maybe you dont but middle class people do i am working my whole life to be someone who can offer something my father was not rich so i dont have the privilege to be useless i must work on myself to be able to earn my own money

>>127633309
Remember to sage, m8.