/lrg/ - Libertarian General

>>127552302
How's the libertarian scene in Romania?
Also you forgot the reading lists, lazy Radu.

>>127554400
They are in the pastebin, it would have been useless.

The only ideologies that pander to the average romanian are nationalism and socialism unfortunately.

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Book Club discord /3k6q2xj

Haven't started yet so it's a good time to get in. Hopefully it can help motivate you guys to learn more than you ever would otherwise.

>>127554962
Similar to the German situation, only that it's literal commies and "conservative" status quo cheerleaders like Merkel and her party members. That pretty much includes our totally legit libertarian party, because they will suck the dick of every other party just to get into a coalition. We're left with the AfD as only viable option, but these folks still leave a bitter taste in my mouth. They used to be way more market liberal but got increasingly protectionist and völkisch (AKA le minimum wage so the white trash likes them)

>>127555449
Socialism and nationalism cater to the masses because they give them a sense of belonging.

>>127555808
that's not a bad thing if the majority of the group you feel you belong to is good

>>127555981
These kind of mass politics naturally devolve into socialism and destruction of liberty, both for the sake of the interest of the group rather than that of the individual. Collective over individual will always turn into communism or some kind of crypto communism like national socialism.

>>127555981

>>127556431
That's the beauty of anarcho-capitalism. If we can get enough people (~ 20%) we can secede.

>>127559786
In theory, yes, but try to band together like this in our current times and all of the (((demo rats))) will band together to eradicate you. The elites couldn't allow even one person being outside of their grasp. We won't get our freedom without putting up a fight.

White nationalist minarchy is how you reach prosperity.

>>127560288
You don't need a government to have white nationalism. The right of association allows you to form a community with like minded people and the right of discrimination grants you the right to keep unwanted people off your property. Forced tolerance is an exclusively statist problem.

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>>127552302

>pastebin

Jesus Christ. I wish the NatSoc general posters would use this free market innovation. Instead they plod on with brute force and have /nsg/ going up to 12 intro link pages.

https://archive.is/gw22T

How can left libertarians be so deluded?

>>127562116
The problem is that not only left "libertarians" but also Gary Johnson style kikebertarians think that way. And both groups seem to get more and more popular, just look at Macron. Progressive libertarians in general, be they left or (at least seemingly) right are the biggest cancer out there.

why are we so dead boys?

>>127563871
plenty of threads related to our expertise in the catalog atm

>>127563871
Portubro isn't here yet

Bump for private monarchs

>>127561172
> The right of association allows you to form a community with like minded people
And the right of association allows one of those like minded people to completely ruin everything by changing their mind and selling to non-whites.

>>127565268
No, only the property owner is capable to do that. And if he does that, people will leave and for a own community, denying the original property owner profit. Communities would be like everything else aswell subject to the free market. If you sell out to niggers, have fun being the king of subhumans that will lay waste to your property. Nobody is forced to stay with you, that's why it's the RIGHT of association and not the DUTY of association.

>>127565268
Not when there are contracts preventing people from changing their mind.

Democracy would only be voluntary, most people would pursue stability through contracts though.

>>127565610
>people will leave
Exactly. Everything will be ruined and they'll abandon the community they built and go elsewhere and start over. Then the cycle will repeat.
> If you sell out to niggers, have fun being the king of subhumans that will lay waste to your property.
Leftist business owners constantly lose money due to following left wing ideology. Losing money doesn't seem to stop them. Ideology and feeling good trumps profit. Leftists bring in non-whites, then undertake white flight to go somewhere else, then do it over again.
> Nobody is forced to stay with you
Moving is inconvenient, costly, and land is in limited supply.

Why not just use the state to ban? Obsession with purity of the NAP?

>>127566332
>Leftist business owners constantly lose money due to following left wing ideology
They don't, though. That's the whole point, big businesses can do whatever they want because they get gibs from the government. Even if the government was dedicated in not being corrupt, politicians still are people and big enough bribes would convince them to act in favor of big corporations. Only in a free market the actions of big businesses would have consequences. If you like beyond the memes you'll see that a less regulated market actually takes away power from the buggest businesses rather than giving them power. They have to actually think about what they are doing. The same is the case with property owners, they won't sacrifice their profit and community just for the sake of tolerance, it would ruin them and since no safety net is in place to reward them for stupidity, they would have to face consequences for bad decisions.

>>127566782
> They don't, though.
They do, absolutely 100% do.

>>127567016
If you are talking about the really big fish, then they certainly don't. Middle to small business owners, sure, they get to taste failure if they fuck up, but the higher you get the less it matters. Small businsees don't hire lobbyists, only major enterprises use those to influence politics. But that's what I'm saying, competition isn't possible, since the people on the top are fed by the government while the lower ranking people die off. That wouldn't be the case in a free market, everybody would be equal before the eyes of the free market. Without corporate welfare you'd see way less people like Zuckerberg that are very outspoken about their beliefs. they couldn't afford alienating groups of customers.

>>127552302
Oh, here's the other Libertarian in this country...

>>127567386
> Middle to small business owners, sure, they get to taste failure if they fuck up
So do you, as you live around them.
> Without corporate welfare you'd see way less people like Zuckerberg that are very outspoken about their beliefs. they couldn't afford alienating groups of customers.
Why? Do you think that Zuckerberg pushing leftism would make him go completely bankrupt in a free market? I think it would cost him potential profit, but he'd still be making a good enough profit to decide to blow some money on leftism.

And housing is something different to running a business, that's really what I'm focusing on. I can just sell my house and fuck off. It's a one time immediate transaction. Not everybody rents out their property. Just sell it to non-whites and get out of there with your money.

>>127569425
There still would be contracts up like >>127566037
mentioned. Someone who offers a whites only community will put that into the contract as a part of the deal. It seems like way too much trouble to break a contract and dissatisfy many people just so you, the person that first was basically a white nationalist, can flip flop on that issue in order to make a contract with niggers. Not to mention the issue of you having a reputation of breaking contracts, making it harder to find customers.

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Communists are self-proclaimed aggressors!
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>>127552302
how do you guys feel about about copyright laws? would they exist in ancapland?

>>127571513
excellent. Is this your OC?

>>127569883
> Someone who offers a whites only community.
So, you buy a house, and the seller puts in a condition is that you can only sell this house to whites who also agree to only sell this house to whites. Gonna have to be interrogating the buyers to figure out if they are not only whites, but also white nationalists. Seems next to impossible to maintain for generations. In a small town village? Plausible..urban city with a population of a million+? Implausible.

The thing is - many many white people like white homogeneity, but they also like profit, and for some (not all) when push comes to shove, they'll choose profit; however, if you have a state that bans bringing in non-whites, they aren't going to start a revolution in order to bring in the non-whites. Even those whites who claim to prefer racial homogeneity aren't going to go all 1776 on the government in order to bring in non-whites - it's not THAT big of a deal to them.

So, the question is why not have the ban? NAP purity? This is why white people are turning away from libertarianism. Libertarians say "White nationalism COULD exit in a libertarian society...but no guarantees, and if it doesn't, too bad, NAP matters more".

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>>127572573
My take on the issue is that intellectual propety doesn't exist. Copyrights are a strain on the free market and discourage innovation and competition. If your product gets copied and the copied version is more successful, there is a reason for that. I think a creator of a product should make his product stand out, so that even if it gets copied it still has something special about it that other people can't offer (better quality, lower price) If you can't offer that, there is no reason another business owner shouldn't be able to sell the same product in a more attractive manner. But I have to admit, this is an issue many libertarians and AnCaps are still debating (at least in official circles, I don't know /pol/'s opinion on this all too well)

>>127572675
yes.

>>127573374
Nice. You should make more

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>>127573463
thanks meng, will do.

>>127573080
>urban city with a population of a million
This is the whole concept of Anarcho capitalism. The free association encourages smaller communities while bigger communities are discouraged because of this exact reason. The bigger the less representation and security you have. If you want to live in a big community, chances are it will fail and you won't make the mistake of joining one again. If you do it again, well, that's your fault. And if enough people are sick of them failing or contracts being broken, they just form a smaller community only containing dissatisfied people who really want to stay among their own. Sure, maybe people will be screwed over at first, but after things have settled in for a while, the right people will find themselves. Also, I think you underestimate the ability of people banding together with other people who want the same thing. I for one don't advocate a sudden change to anarcho capitalism. It should be achieved slowly, by step wise seccession into smaller and smaller regions. If you do it in this way, the regions will already be pretty tightly knit together, allowing for a healthy regionaly identity that people don't want to destroy.

>>127573361
You're doing a good job at differentiating us from mainstream libertarians. I have to admit, all these labels tend to get confusing, but people here need to realize that there is a major difference between regular degenerate progressive "libertarians" and us admittedly rather reactionary libertarians/AnCaps. No wonder there is a huge overlap between socialists and kikebertarians while we have many overlaps with monarchism.

>>127573784
Well, I think a big white only country is going to be more productive than having only small isolated white communities.

And anarcho-capitalism is a littler different to pure propetarianism. If there is enough people who want to ban non-whites and are willing to pay for that law to be enforced, then all the popular law firms would do that. Anarcho-capitalism i.e, competitive law, doesn't guarantee pure propetarianism.

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>Do you support open borders?
No, in a private property society the only people who would have "freedom of movement" to enter said property would have to be specifically invited in, by default this would mean no one is allowed in without the property owners consent.

Murray Rothbard had this to say on the matter.
>If every piece of land in a country were owned by some person, group, or corporation, this would mean that no person could enter unless invited to enter and allowed to rent or purchase property. A totally privatized country would be as closed as the particular property owners desire. It seems clear, then, that the regime of open borders that exists de facto in the U.S. and Western Europe really amounts to a compulsory opening by the central state, the state in charge of all streets and public land areas, and does not genuinely reflect the wishes of the proprietors.

>Nations by Consent - Murray Rothbard
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf

>Natural Order, The State, and the Immigration Problem - Hans-Hermann Hoppe
http://famguardian.org/subjects/Discrimination/Articles/RightToExclude.pdf

>Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property - Llewellyn H. Rockwell Jr.
https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property

Just wanted to add more sources.

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>>127574158
thanks man, Its my mission to maintain the libertarian label, and cleanse it of communist fags. write, make art, and create propaganda for the cause.

>>127574223
>Well, I think a big white only country is going to be more productive than having only small isolated white communities.
The communities themselves would obviously be less productive than a big state, but the people living in them wouldn't have any disadvantage, since they'd be free to enter the market with their businesses and would have the same opportunities (if not more) than people in a big state. The only difference is the power of the community they live in as a whole. And if you think about it, the more powerful the community is, the less powerful is the individual. That's the main thought here, Is a strong community really worth weaker individuals? AnCaps beg to differ, that's why they would sacrifice the productivity of the state for their own productivity.

>>127574223
>If there is enough people who want to ban non-whites and are willing to pay for that law to be enforced
That is right, yes, but since small voluntary governments are encouraged, many people will be left out who will desire an alternative. If you don't want to live in a white nationalist community, you can pay someone who is willing to make a profit of this exact customer base, because all the other people willing to pay for white nationalism already pay someone else. Like I already mention, the free market also applies in the search for communities to live in, so if there is a demand, there will be an offer.

>>127574728
Your work is very appreciated. Your stuff (and portubro's) keeps these thread alive, and I like to discuss in them. Way less meme spouting and much more actual arguments, unlike in many other parts of /pol/ these days.

Feels good to post some more in these threads again, I'm glad you could keep them alive since the last time I was more active in them.

>>127573251
What about music/movie piracy? There won't be any incentive to create stuff because everyone will get it for free.

>>127575341
you must be Germanon who took on hosting the threads daily early on in /lrg/s. I think you wrote a fairly dank faq

>b-but Gary Johns...
Shut it you low energy fag. We ain't some retarded 420 blaze it faggots. We want liberty and the responsibility that goes with it.

>b-but somalia a-and warlords ???
>Gotta read that shiet
https://mises.org/library/wouldnt-warlords-take-over
https://mises.org/library/anarchy-somalia
>Somalia is the corpse of a fucking socialist state and it's better off now than before it collapsed.

>b-b-but .. ROADS !

>If there's a need for roads, they're going to be built by private construction companies, payed by covenants and maintained my said construction companies. They even generate money, because it's like that parts or the road are for rent in order to set up advertisements at the sides.

>Or there's no need for roads, because we're the fucking gyrocopter master race.

is this you? I loved this %100smug
anyway thank you, I will keep on shilling.

Pinochet was a libertarian?

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>>127576027
You can still take measures to protect your information, encrypt it, release it in a format thats difficult to distribute digitally.
You just cant have the cops bust the kid downloading it, you gotta bust the guy who distributed it.

>>127576311
Yes.

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http://t.me/LibertarianRG
Great telegram group for Right Libertarianism

>>127576541
>You just cant have the cops bust the kid downloading it, you gotta bust the guy who distributed it.

That's not ancap tho, it's minarchism at best.

>>127576145
Nah, that wasn't me, I won't steal someone's internet fame, I'm too honest/spooked for that. I was here before the whole FAQs and pastebins were established. But I still try to contribute to the thread by bumping and starting and partaking in discussions. I try to shill for free markets and AnCap outside of the generals, though, so that is my additional effort, if you will.

>>127575140
>but the people living in them wouldn't have any disadvantage
A larger white country, with more land and population means more total production. More geniuses, more inventions, more development. The absolute number of technological advances matters, not just the per capita. Cities are actually good, too. They are in fact great.The white suburbs were only created to get away from the changing demographics in the cities, not the cities themselves.

>>127576875
well think of it like this,

I can sell a CD on contractual terms that it may not be distributed by anyone else. at which point distributing my mp3s online would be a breach of contract. it is very doable within property rights

>>127577038
ah right on then. spread the message of liberty.

>>127576541
How was Pinochet libertarian though? He killed others for opposing views.

>>127577455
he wasn't libertarian, but the NAP doesn't apply to communists anyway

>>127577543
True. In my opinion, he'd be authoritarian right. Not libertarian.

>>127577543
What is your definition of communist?

>>127577292
You can never know which buyer distributed it online. Someone could even steal it and do it.

>>127577081
I think you are getting this the wrong way, isolated communities wouldn't mean that there wouldn't be scientific cooperation. You just would avoid political cooperation, everything else would be fair game. The free market allows business owner to employ the people he likes, so he can employ the most capable people, no matter from which community they are from. Scientific advancement wouldn't be hindered, since this advancement offers great profit. Once something new has been discovered, people can just copy it and try to sell it for themselves but better/cheaper, since I stated my opinion on copyright here already >>127573251. Advancement would naturally spread.

>>127576027
I think producers should either offer a substantially better version than a pirated version themselves, so that it is worth it to actually buy it. Why would you buy something that you could get fir free in the same quality. If the producer offers a HQ version that isn't available pirated, people will buy it.

>>127577786
Those who wish to "ABOLISH PRIVATE PROPERTY", I exclude people who just wear che shirts and larpers tho.

"ABOLISHING PRIVATE PROPERTY" is Marxs definition of the communist agenda.

>>127577900
>You can never know which buyer distributed it online.
Sure it would be difficult, I wouldn't say never would it be tracable to a distributor though. Either way the creator would be well within his rights to pursue compensation for breach of contract.

>>127577786
>>127578015
>I exclude people who just wear che shirts and larpers tho.
This. They're pretty harmless; all they do is spread their ideology to other autists, and that doesn't do much. The violent antifascists and other revolutionary socialists are dangerous though

>>127578015
How does "wishing" for the abolition of private property constitute aggression?

>>127578545
Whether that itself is an aggression is debatable. I wouldn't consider it one, but like I maintain what I said here >>127578477

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>>127577455
He was very much in line with a lot of what Hoppe promotes. Economically he was very libertarian on many things, though not everything. Libertarians put economic freedom above everything because everything else stems from it. This is why Pinochet's Chile turned into a rich and democratic country (even though he himself probably didn't realize that his economic policies would lead to him being voted out of office eventually). If Salvador Allende had been allowed to continue to lead Chile, Chile would be a Marxist hell hole of human rights abuses, poor starving people, and a horribly totalitarian government just like every other Marxist hell hole.

TL;DR version:
Economic freedom leads to individual freedom, wealth, and a narrowing wealth gap.
Centrally planned economics always leads to a horribly totalitarian government or civil war.

>>127577918
Scientific advancement requires intelligence, creativity and a fostering culture/environment. Economic policy alone doesn't determine this. White demographics help this. A retard can't create something great just because he would be rich if he did. No state enforced border means white nationalist communities only exist in small isolated pockets. State enforced border means massive white nationalist hundred million + super community producing far more scientific breakthroughs and futuristic technologies.

>>127578715
>but like I maintain what I said here
but I maintain what I said here*

>>127578545
Because you are using government force to take away what people have worked for and lived on.

>>127578724
>inb4 muh Pinochet leaved his post in 1990
Chili has still the highest rate of economic freedom in South America

>>127578545
ok "wishing for" was bad wording, more accurate would be "pursuing" be that voting for, taking actions to "seize the means", forming communist groups that express intent to destroy property.

it would have to be one that threatens to enforce communist agenda that also has some evidence to reasonably assume they mean it. is that fair?

>>127578759
White nationalism doesn't equal full productivity, though. Yeah yeah, memes memes, but a employer won't hire the best whites for the jobs, but rather the BEST. If there is a jap better at a job than a white, he will be hired. This is purely meritocratic. If someone is interested in making a profit, he will hire people that will most likely help him discover new production techniques etc. You can have non whites working for you without living with them.

>>127579475
>White nationalism doesn't equal full productivity
Yeah, it does. White homogeneity is a good thing. It's a positive externality that shouldn't be destroyed by only looking at individuals. The whole is not the sum of its parts.

>>127552302
No sense in not posting the entire thing. The average /pol/ack can't be assed to read it.
Either way, great to see someone make a thread.
Donald Bump

>>127578416
You don't have a contract with a thief, damnit!

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Too few shitposters in the tread, let's post the entire thing.

FAQ:
>Do you support open borders?
No. The government does not own the land, therefore it cannot determine the border policy. Seeing as 90% of immigration is harmful to the country, by default a vetting system is essential to protect the rights of the citizens.
>Whom'st'd'll've builds the roads?
The people who are going to use them will pay the road crews, and maintenance is provided by the toll money.
>Do you support drug use/other degenerate behaviour?
No, we strongly discourage it as it damages a society built on non-aggression. Most covenants would be built around family (to fill the void after the government is largely/completely gone), and family life is vulnerable to these socio-pathological behaviours. If degenerates want to form their own communities, they are welcome to choke on their own filth or clean up and become productive members of the society.
>Are you Jewish?
No, our Jews are better than their Jews. Few movements (apart from NatSocs, duh) have been accused of anti-Semitism as much as we have, and that's including our more moderate/mainstream figureheads, such as Ron Paul. We support Palestine over Israel (because it's their land, not because they're brown) and we strongly support cutting all foreign aid to Israel (and to pretty much everyone). The international financiers would be significantly set back by freeing the currency system and implementing an actual standard for money to prevent over-printing and inflation. Also we don't trade with our enemies, what the fuck.
>What will you do when governments take over you/reform?
Toss them out of helicopters again. Our crusade is eternal. Liberty or Death!

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RECOMMENDED READING LIST:
ECONOMY
>The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith
>A Treatise on Political Economy by Jean-Baptiste Say
>The Law by Fréderic Bastiat
>The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich August von Hayek
>The Economics and Ethics of Private Property by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
>Man, Economy, and State by Murray Rothbard
>Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell
POLITICS
>Democracy - The God that Failed by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
>Second Treatise of Government by John Locke
>Anarchy, State and Utopia by Robert Nozick
>For a New Liberty by Murray Rothbard
>Against the State by Llewellyn Rockwell

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MEDIA:
GOOD TIER
>facebook com/MinarchyMemes - sometimes posts edgy stuff
>facebook com/LibertyHangout - adamant fighters against communism
>facebook com/theliveshowtv - The Jason Stapleton Program - right-libertarian podcast
>youtube com/user/ThatLibertarianT - That Guy T
GREAT TIER
>facebook com/HoppeanSnakeMemes - the source of the snake memes we keep posting - keep up, nerd
>youtube com/user/FreedomFighter631 - Chris Cantwell - host of the Radical Agenda
>youtube com/channel/UCRr7mGBwURyRGM2BRPV3hNQ - Augustus Sol Invictus' ramblings and other content
>youtube com/channel/UCIwnY7Ee4Kfn8g6tz9tjfzA - 1st Irregulars - former Cantwell's supporters, decided to go even further right
>1stirregulars com - 1st Irregulars' main site
>youtube com/user/stefbot - Stefan Molyneux

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VIDEOS:
>Christopher Cantwell - How I started hanging out with Nazis - youtube.com/watch?v=2RdnvahTAnU
>Christopher Cantwell with Mike Enoch - youtube.com/watch?v=aSz_L1WZS7w
>Christopher Cantwell with That Guy T - youtube.com/watch?v=7QYL4w3V_mo
>Christopher Cantwell with Jared Howe - youtube.com/watch?v=szqxmnMfB8U
>Augustus Sol Invictus - Becoming a Reactionary - youtube.com/watch?v=HPQ9yh0gWoE
>Augustus Sol Invictus - The War on Terror - youtube.com/watch?v=wy2O7CPNmqI
>Hans-Hermann Hoppe - What Must Be Done - youtube.com/watch?v=d_ybi1MeC3c
>1st Irregulars - 1433: National Capitalism and the Correct View - youtube.com/watch?v=eVnDAa1LWpw
>That Guy T - The Case for Libertarian Fascism - youtube.com/watch?v=l2-jH1vFrW8

>>127577918
>I think producers should either offer a substantially better version than a pirated version themselves, so that it is worth it to actually buy it. Why would you buy something that you could get fir free in the same quality. If the producer offers a HQ version that isn't available pirated, people will buy it.

It's like you don't know how digital piracy works. Pirated copies are bit for bit identical with legit ones.

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MUSIC:
>Eric July - AnCap Rap pt.1 - youtube.com/watch?v=pGuj-Z3PNg8
>Eric July - AnCap Rap pt.2 - youtube.com/watch?v=zqV4RXLX1Hc
>I Need a Pinochet - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>Ain't I Right - youtube.com/watch?v=XxIbq7HkalQ
>Metallica - Don't Tread On Me - youtube.com/watch?v=fh-TKJTCtnw
>Dixie's Land - youtube.com/watch?v=IUjLE_N1Cuc
>Yankee Doodle - youtube.com/watch?v=IzRhFH5OyHo
>Battle of New Orleans (if you counter-signal Jackson I swear on me mum I'll skullfuck you - plus it's a good song so fuck you) - youtube.com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0
>Mi General Augusto Pinochet - youtube.com/watch?v=R9R4zPTpS9w
>Adios Mi General - youtube.com/watch?v=5rsb7dT6sEM
>Rhodesians Never Die - youtube.com/watch?v=r1J8F6YQjBg
>Hammer Of The Right - youtube.com/watch?v=5WzAFG0Wntc
>Start Up The Rotors - youtube.com/watch?v=Ptw41GUKLpc

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MEMES:
>Hoppewave - Physical Removal - youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ
>Cato's Speech - Let's get Physical - youtube.com/watch?v=XMqPWqOCGJU
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Let The Commies Hit The Floor - youtube.com/watch?v=yy9VvAuCCEg
>Stefan Molyneux - In-Depth Analysis of Marxism - youtube.com/watch?v=SGunPi4G2Ns
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Shadilay (Meme War against Agoristball) - youtube.com/watch?v=8xBsJUYySNo
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Snekintosh 420 - youtube.com/watch?v=JJMdttBmtsY
>That Guy T shitposting about the Alt-Right - youtube.com/watch?v=77CdqY4IdgU

>>127580671
alright so weve established he's a theif. book him.

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I hope I didn't go to far with effects. I just want them to be less boring to look at. ps r8, if it sucks i'll make a boring one.

>>127581683
You haven't established shit because you don't know who did it and would be impossible to find out unless he's a 12 yo retarded wannabe hacker.

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>>127581788

>>127581788
catchy
>>127582127
edgy

>>127581788
Good effort, but the text is a bit hard to read. A serif font is always preferable for body text. I'd recommend Georgia.

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>>127552302
Friendly reminder that allodial land ownership is not what natural rights imply:

John Locke said
Nor was this appropriation of any parcel of land, by improving it, any prejudice to any other man, since there was still enough and as good left, and more than the yet unprovided could use. So that, in effect, there was never the less left for others because of his enclosure for himself. For he that leaves as much as another can make use of, does as good as take nothing at all. Nobody could think himself injured by the drinking of another man, though he took a good draught, who had a whole river of the same water left him to quench his thirst. And the case of land and water, where there is enough of both, is perfectly the same.

—Second Treatise of Government, Chapter V, paragraph 33

>>127582092
>impossible to find out
Why do you assume this? everything you do on the internet is tracable, obviously it would be difficult and require someone with a talent for digging up that kind of information but you could find an uploader. the police do this shit right now.

>>127582127
>>127582425

Also, I think it would be a better idea to stick to our color theme: yellow background and black text. That red reminds me of communism.

>>127582461
You're rather ignorant on the subject. Have you heard of encryption? Tor?

Also the fact that piracy is like 90% already proves "da poh-leece" is totally ineffective.

>>127580843
I think you guys should be more careful about trusting Bryan Caplan. I have read some of his books, and I think his biases leave him open to easy criticisms.

>>127583004
sure, its ineffective. but a theft still took place and if violates no one's rights to pursue compensation if the question is still intellectual property based on contract.

>>127582662
>ancaps talking about strict rules on how they peddle their propaganda

what is irony

>>127582662
I like the font, looks much better.

>>127583253
I asked for opinions, he gave one. you retard.

>>127578545
Because all land would be private and no one would like to have literal communists using their private property if they got uppity.

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>>127583357
this is better

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FAQ -- Every question you could have about Anarcho-capitalism, answered in one single book.

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/03/21/reactionary-liberty-robert-taylor/

>Why reactionary libertarianism and not Fascism?
Introduction

>How would ancaps deal with cultural Marxists and other subversive attitudes?
Chapters 4 and 5

>But about what about limited government and constitutions?
Chapters 6 and 7

>But what about the poor, the sick and the elderly?
Chapter 10

>You guys are globalists and support open borders right?
Chapter 13

>Without the state regulating the market, who will stop corporations?
Chapter 3

>Okay, you've convinced me. Now what do we do?
Chapters 11, 12, 14 and 15.

>>127583546
Nice!

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>>127552302
this the LRG

>>127583619
Hey portubro check this link out instead. I hosted it on my throwaway jewgle account.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-VU5Yi3loGldEVwNmF0VGZ6NFVnbjNOUHRFVzlmUHBHN0pz/view

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>>127552302
Why is LRG so scared of Henry George?

>>127583872
No one is scared of the "don't rent to me bro" guy.

>>127583546
I like this one. saved

>>127578891
So isn't it simply government force that is aggressive? People who read Das Kapital aren't technically violating the non-aggression principle.

>>127579272
But voting isn't violent. Democracy is violent, government is violent, but people who simply support government? That doesn't warrant retaliation. Violence is violence.

>>127583432
Yes, but the original claim was that the NAP doesn't apply to communists. Clearly that's wrong.

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>>127578724
>rich and democratic country
I thought /lrg/ doesn't like democracy

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>>127583733
>>127583872
>tax revenue
>tax rate
>tax anything

fucking dropped

>>127583778
Nice famalamdingdong. Thanks!

>>127583872
Your attitude is the same as the commies'who spam /lrg/ threads. Geofags are not welcome.

>>127584129
Who's the middle upside down guy?

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>>127584329
Jeffery Cucker, the open borders sjw shitlib of ancapism

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>>127584329
Jeffrey Cucker

>>127584045
>Yes, but the original claim was that the NAP doesn't apply to communists. Clearly that's wrong.

"NAP doesn't apply to communists." because they are aggressors by their own definition their entire existence is to end property, to steal and destroy.

>>127583546
gold

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Daily reminder Hoppean libertarians are cancer

>>127584560
Technically it does apply. But by their very nature they violate it just by being commies. Therefore physical removal.

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>>127584754
nice meme

>>127583733
>>127583872
This is a libertarian RIGHT general you stupid cunt. Stop shilling your faggy theory

>>127559786
I support ancap but I seriously doubt we could get enough people together to be able to resist the inevitable war that would come if we tried to be beyond the grasp of the international finance system.

>>127584889
why did you saved /leftypol/ autism ?

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>>127552302
Bumping purely for selfish interest.

>Posting Soviet or NS propaganda without any text is considered spam
Oh thought this was an ancap thread LOL you honestly believe you have any control here?

>>127585326
because it makes them look autistic

>>127585418
nazbol fags got banned for it so yeah a bit

>>127585418
get fucked, commie

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>>127585129
>Approved: anybody who wants to debate

reeeeeeee

>>127585250
Yeah, that's what I fear too. Look what happened to Libya when it tried to create a gold-backed currency.
Best we could hope for is the collapse of the unsustainable finance system, but that might be also an opportunity for them to impose global totalitarianism disguised as "saving the world"

>>127562116
I wish people would realize even if they are against the state, it can sometime be necessary to use the state to do things that in the long term will cause the state to grow.

>>127584754
>you idiot ! we have to create cartel before we can reach an anarchist society.
yeah no I prefer making explode a federal building with the turners diaries and a Jefferson quote

>>127586005
*prevent the state from growing I mean

>>127585749
There is no debate. You try to impose an anti-property ideology in a propertarian thread.

>>127583872
>what is tradgedy of the commons

>>127586244
this. Well said

>>127585749
>When you realize the act of keeping the lot vacant until someone willing to pay that high price because they see an opportunity for significantly more wealth creation than if it was sold to someone else for less is the earned wealth.

Time preference is a thing and represents value something George clearly didn't realize

>>127585772
It is sometimes like this when I think it might be necessary to have a fascist state that can gradually dissolve itself away to ancap, but then I remember that is essentially a right-wing version of communism

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>>127583872
You could never get Henry George off your lawn, because to do so would be to deny his right to exist.

How does a "libertarian" justify land patents?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_patent

Pro-tip: You can't.

AnCap thread copyright some Yugofaggot and rebaked by a literal fucking gypsy?
Thanks for putting the Lol back into Lolbertarianism, Turkish rapechildren.
U Borat cunts who live innahills with one dirt road connecting all your commie blocks and no functioning goverment or social services are already living the lolbertarian dream.

>>127586814
why would we justify gubmint gived land ?

>>127586814
> It is usually granted by a central, federal, or state government to an individual or to a private company.

Pro-tip: we don't.

>>127586814
Gee the first paragraph tells plenty senpai

>It is usually granted by a central, federal, or state government to an individual or to a private company

>>127587257
pure Australian shitpost
10/10

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>>127587347
>>127587352

>>127587352
>>127587347
>>127587328

And I of course agree whole-heartedly!

But how then can you justify rent-taking that exclusively depends on the state creation of title to real estate? Surely you must agree that a revenue-generating scheme dependent on these chains of title constitutes theft.

Minarchism is inevitable. There needs to be a government that can enforce proportionality and aid those who have a right to be aided (victims of aggression) who otherwise have no guarantee to be aided (no one else has a duty to positively help them, only not to aggress)

>>127587981
>rent-taking that exclusively depends on the state

why would we justify something that depends on the state?

>>127588085
Then, if real estate as practiced in the USA is theft, we must either immediately void all title to land or accept damages as equitable compensation.

QED.

>>127588170
the US government is fundamentally based on theft, we all know this.

>equitable compensation.

and how will this """compensation""" be distributed? by a state? give me a break

how new are you?

>>127588378
My aim is only to point out that everybody who holds land holds it by an intrinsically defective chain-of-title. I myself have not worked out the mechanisms to resolve this problem in the absence of a state, but it MUST be resolved.

>>127588170
>we must either immediately void all title to land or accept damages as equitable compensation.
Or we could just cease the government's enforcement of their unlawful claims to land which is the only way illegitimate land claims can sustain themselves.

>>127588705
>everybody who holds land holds it by an intrinsically defective chain-of-title
>this is a problem but i don't know the solution
>let me just completely ignore that this intrinsically defective chain-of-title is sponsored by a state
>the state is NOT the problem tho

c'mon man

>>127588908
>>127588705
And FYI rothbard wrote extensively on this subject

>>127589409
Very interested to read this. Can you refer to specific sections? Is it just the Doctrine of Prior Appropriation?

>>127580731
>We support Palestine over Israel

I'm afraid I disagree with this.

>>127583172
Plus he's Jewish. I get what you're saying.

>>127592499
I'd say we're fairly split on this, since supporting either is technically supporting a state

>>127592499
tu préferès les feujs ? tu veux le remplacer par le saint royaume de Jérusalem ? ou juste réduire la région en désert nucléaire ?

>>127592774
Je suis partagé entre la purification du moyen-orient par l'atome et la Christianisation (+ Occidentalisation) de la région.

>>127592946
ok je pige c'est compréhensible comme choix

>>127592753
How would diplomacy works in a libertarian society?

>>127593192
mainly isolationism
in the political sense not the economic one
because libertarian culture was always against neocons wars

>>127592574
I didn't look into that yet, but it is definitely possible.

His book on big families is crap, but maybe he wanted it to be accessible.
>You need a bunch of kids, because grandkids are cool, and you need a bunch of kids to get them.
>That is literally the whole argument.

His book on irrational voters is pretty simplistic too.
>People don't do exactly what economists tell them so they are idiots.

Doesn't he have a book on higher education?
>Liberal arts degrees are worthless and we should only learn what is pertinent to our job.

It just seems like all of his books are simplistic, and a bit autistic. People can have multiple reasons for choosing what they do, and that doesn't mean their choice was wasteful or irrational.

>>127593192
they can still communicate with other countries as normal, it just wouldn't be centralized. If enough people felt the need to support a certain country, they're free to do so, just not at the expense of people who don't want to support it

but generally pretty isolationist I would imagine, it's hard to wage war without taxes. In terms of self defense though, obviously a mutual concentration of temporary power would be in order to prevent outside invasion and occupation

>>127589409
>>127589851


https://www.jstor.org/stable/3486194?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Why are libertarians so bro-tier?

>>127594257
because communism is for sissies, naturally the diametrical equivalent are bros

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>>127594403
I've got to confess my sins : I'm pretty much a fascist.

>>127594257
because the entire basis of our principles is not being dicks

>>127594521
that's ok m8, at long as you don't tread on us you're alright

wish I saved the alliance pic

>>127594626
I don't know why we like each other so much.

lots of fascists are fascinated by Libertarianism, amirite

>>127594521
deep down we're all participatives democrats (clin d'oeil,clin d'oeil j'espère que t'as pigé la référence)
>>127594743
and vice versa
we're the ying and the yang of right wing politics

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>>127595047
>(clin d'oeil,clin d'oeil j'espère que t'as pigé la référence)

Of course, boyo

>>127595047
god bless libertarianism, desu

>>127594743
while the means are different, I would actually say we share a lot of the same desired endgame:

-private borders
-eugenics
-tradition
-purity
-faith

etc. etc.

The difference is that one involves the use of force, and the other just lets degenerate degenerate on their own without a welfare state to sustain them. They're kept out of private property, or just physically removed altogether.

I've always pictured it like this: Fascism is a dagger pointed upwards and stabs right at the heart of its opponents, while Anarcho-Capitalism is a dagger pointed downwards to strike degenerates silently through capitalism. The end result is the same.

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>>127585418
We feel in charge.

>>127589409
>>127588705
No, but not for lack of trying. Rothbard's argument against the LVT is fatally flawed for at least two reasons -- one moral, the other economic. From a moral perspective, it completely ignores the unjust interference that the overextension of law-made property imposes on man-made property. From an economic perspective, it is based on a false understanding of what conditions are necessary for land to have rental value.

In Libertarian Party at Sea on Land, LP activist Dr. Harold Kyriazi explains why Rothbard's attack on the LVT was misguided at best. The following is from pages 57-61 of that book:

>>127595898
The only well-known libertarian writer whom I know to have explicitly, and at great length, opposed the idea of community collected user fees for natural resources is Murray Rothbard, which is odd, given his admiration for Albert Jay Nock and Frank Chodorov, who, in turn, revered Henry George. Rothbard apparently had extensive discussions with Georgists:

If every man owns his own person and therefore his own labor, and if by extension he owns whatever property he has "created" or gathered out of the previously unused, unowned "state of nature," then what of the last great question: the right to own or control the earth itself? ... It is at this point that Henry George and his followers, who have gone all the way so far with the libertarians, leave the track and deny the individual right to own the piece of land itself, the ground on which these activities have taken place. (pp. 33-34, For a New Liberty.)

The following is taken from his The Ethics of Liberty.

(p. 50, footnote 2): A modified variant of this "Columbus Complex" holds that the first discoverer of a new island or continent could properly lay claim to the entire continent by himself walking around it (or hiring others to do so), and thereby laying out a boundary for the area. In our view, however, their claim would still be no more than to the boundary itself, and not to any of the land within it, for only the boundary will have been transformed and used by man.

>>127587257
emu war ya fuckin cunt

>>127595939
With this statement, Rothbard may seem to have carried the "first use" doctrine to its illogical extreme. (If walking over some land constitutes transformation and use, then is it just one's footprints that one owns? Or does one's rightful claim extend out to all the underbrush one has cleared away? Or, can one claim land as far as the eye can see? This is the very definition of the word "arbitrary.") But in his defense, to convert the claim into actual ownership would, Rothbard would say, require actual use (though we're again faced with the question of what constitutes "use" -- see p. 79, "Anti-Rothbard..."). For example, earlier, in a Robinson Crusoe paradigm, he stated that Crusoe's "true property--his actual control over material goods--would extend only so far as his actual labor brought them into production. His true ownership could not extend beyond the power of his own reach."

What, then, would Rothbard say about large American corporations owning, but not using, millions of acres of land, as some now do? He gives us his answer in an essay he wrote on Henry George's Land Value Tax idea, entitled "The Single Tax: Economic and Moral Implications" (FEE "Special Essay Series," 1957). Here are a few examples from that work:

Well, what about idle land? Should the sight of it alarm us? On the contrary, we should thank our stars for one of the great economic facts of nature: that labor is scarce relative to land...Since labor is scarce relative to land, and much land must therefore remain idle, any attempt to force all land into production would bring economic disaster. Forcing all land into use would take labor and capital away from more productive uses, and compel their wasteful employment on land, a disservice to consumers. [Emphasis Rothbard's.]

>>127595974
Of course, LVT would and could do no such thing, as those who strive to put idle land into productive use would have to bid against other land users for labor, and only the best uses of labor and land would win out. Thus, rather than forcing all land into use, LVT would discourage all but the most productive use of land, just as any market tends to allocate resources most wisely. Another thing that would happen is that the earnings of labor would increase due to increased competition for it, and (ideally) none of the produced wealth would go to landowners qua landowners. Let me rephrase Rothbard's last sentence in a way that makes sense: Forcing land users to pass over ideal idle land and utilize marginal land instead, is wasteful of human labor and natural opportunities, a disservice to all mankind and a boon only to landlords and land speculators.

But here's the most embarrassing passage:

>>127596013
A 100% tax on rent would cause the capital value of all land to fall promptly to zero.

Correct.

Since owners could not obtain any net rent, the sites would become valueless on the market.

False! They'd be valueless only to those market participants who wish only to speculate in land, not to those who wish to use land in some productive endeavor.

From that point on, sites, in short, would be free.

Wrong again. While it's true there'd be no sale price for vacant land, one would still have to pay the ground-rent to use it.

Further, since all rent would be siphoned off to the government, there would be no incentive for owners to charge any rent at all.

Wrong yet again. He's assuming the LVT would be set by an actual ground-rent charged by the landlord, rather than being an assessed value that would have to be recouped. And, I might add, total rental costs would tend to decrease as additional units come on the market as the monopoly stranglehold on land loses its grip.

Rent would be zero as well, and rentals would thus be free.

He continues to pound a straw man.

The first consequence of the single tax, then, is that no revenue would accrue from it.

He took a wrong turn, and just keeps going!

Far from supplying all the revenue of government, the single tax would yield no revenue at all! For if rents are zero, a 100% tax on rents will also yield nothing.

Rothbard then goes on to state,

Compelling any economic goods to be free wreaks economic havoc...the result is to introduce complete chaos in land sites.

Completely false. Even if LVT were applied at a national level, and there were no competition among municipalities for residents, people would still bid on the leases of occupied property, providing price information. (For more on this, see p. 97, "How would LVT work?")

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>>127596051
In Power and Market: Government and the Economy (second edition, 1977), Rothbard went even further into the realm of irrationality in his attempt to refute Georgist land theory (p. 131):

Contrary to Georgist doctrine, however, the land problem does not stem from free-market ownership of ground land.

I know of no Georgist who would ever use the phrase "free-market" in conjunction with our current, individual monopoly market in land.

It stems from failure to live up to a prime condition of free-market property rights, namely, that new, unowned land be first owned by its first user, and that from then on, it become the full private property of the first user or those who receive or buy the land from him. [my emphasis]

It is an obvious fiction that any use, however small or large the effort, should grant full private ownership for all time, unless we're talking about a make-believe world with unlimited land where access to all of it is instantaneous (i.e., where travel time is zero). This fiction ignores the fact that someone who, for example, puts up a fence and lets a cow graze, is much less the rightful "owner" of land than one who builds an industrial plant or a shopping mall. (For more on this, see p. 79, "Anti-Rothbard...")

>>127592499
Oy vey.
I prefer the Palestinians because they had inhabited the land for longer and Israel used aggression to acquire more land for itself within the area. Plus throwing rocks at tanks is a good pastime.

>>127595154
c'est qui ton participant préféré ?

>for the non-french speaker we talk about the french equivalent of the Daily Stormer

>>127596192
Aucun en particulier.

à vrai dire, je n'associe même pas les "pseudos" et les voix, je me contente juste d'écouter.

>>127593474
I just know it because of the echo plugin, kek.
>kids
You need kids to pass on your genes. It's biology, you need to make sure your katana is sharp for when you become a genetic dead end.
>voters
People like free stuff, and making arguments for free stuff is easier than refuting appeals to emotion.
>education
While I am a job-oriented guy, I guess arts are a good thing as long as you're confident in your abilities and the next best thing is not too attractive to you.
If he's simplistic, he should make solid, well-founded points, or vice-versa. Otherwise, he should be a teacher or something and not waste his precious time on something that others have a comparative advantage over and will steamroll him.

>>127594521
Mises liked you goys enough.
Either way we have to forge an alliance for the time being, a violent revolution is brewing.

>>127596314
ça fait du bien de l'actualité sans commentaires gauchiste
moi j'aime bien "Astérix" (voie aiguë,le gars un peu idéaliste sur Fillion )parce qu'il fait de bonnes explications sur les sujets abordés mais j'avoue que tout les membres ont leur place

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>>127571386
Alternative edit

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>>127571386
We need moar like this. Can someone put the same filter over this picture?

>>127597852
Yeah I can do it.

Libertarianism in the UK? Any groups?

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>>127598127
Much appreciated. We need more propaganda displaying the historic success of liberty minded policies and Pinochet is our best show of strength aside from the American Revolution. The NatSocs draw a lot of inspiration from hitler's europe and we need a similiar propaganda point. Can you put the same filter on Spooner?

>>127598145
I'd say the Free Citizens against Training Licences for Spoons, but that's probably been infiltrated by now.

>>127598851
Funny and sad at the same time

Aight imma post the next general as soon as this thread dies.
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