Explain this to me /pol/

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superpower mentality. surprised it's that low. does not bode well for progressives in this country

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>>127502344
I agree 100%

Only a retard doesn't agree with this.
The only reason Bill Gates is Bill Gates is because he was born into a wealthy family with a genetic lineage of high IQ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO3-FA1Kq-A

>>127502344
Krauts are breed as a race of slaves.

'mericans are breed on libertarian ideals.

>>127502344
God damn right, America is the land of opportunity for those willing to actually fucking work. Stop being lazy shits and earn money.

>>127502344

People in the USA fundamentally believe that what station you were born to in life doesn't determine your outcome in success in life. A hard work ethic, good ideas, self motivation, and making good life choices and solid economic choices can lead to a successful life even if you grew up in shit.

A lot of other countries believe you are either born successful or not and it is the randomness of birth with nothing you can do to change it on the whole.

>>127502814
It can lead to success, but it can only bring about such a thing to a certain degree within a lifetime.

The bottom rung will be middle class, and that's about as good as it gets in reality.

It's easier to go down.

>>127502814
Exactly. This is mainly due to the foundations. For thousand of years Europe was controlled by monarchies and autocracies you had to be born into. The fundamental principles of the US are that you can make it regardless of how you are born. Anyone that thinks that they aren't successful because of the way they were born is quite frankly a loser trying to blame others for muh problems.

Marginal success is absolutely within the hands of everyone in the west. You just have to work hard enough. Hard work alone will get you a happy comfortable life.
Wild success and great wealth involves a lot of luck and talent. Hard work alone will never get you there.

Either burgers are very reserved in what they deem "success" or they are retarded.

>>127502560
Bill Gates worked his ass off and slept like 4 hours a night through college and revolutionized one of the most important industries ever. Get fucked, NEET.

>>127502344
Germany and France are yours Algeria.

You are welcome to them.

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>>127503208
>>127503207
>>127502814
>>127502812

Let me explain it for you quickly

https://www.google.com/search?q=france+gdp+per+capita

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+gdp+per+capita

By the way, one is going up and the other is going down FAST.

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>>127502344
It can't be helped.

>>127503208
The US just has shorter lasting aristocracies because they are created by innovation. For example as much as I don't like him, look at Zuckerberg. He made it to the top on being innovative. Anyone can be him in the US if you have the will and drive.

>>127503376
He worked his ass off, but he was only able to get anywhere because he had an IQ of 160 brought about by being a descendant of lawyers, etc.

He had a free college ride and everything, or he would've worked on paying his bills instead.

>>127503478
>The bottom rung will be middle class, and that's about as good as it gets in reality.

Nice reading comprehension.

>>127502344
Europeans blame their own failures on everything/everyone but themselves.

>>127503376
Nailed it. People are so fucking lazy and entitled today. Especially the left wing 18-30 year olds, they are helpless. If society collapses they will be the first to die out.

>>127503923
>People are lazy and entitled
>This is why the mentally slow comprise the poorest rungs of our society
>They just have to work harder

>>127504041
I know plenty of high paying physical jobs too you fuck. You don't even have to be that intelligent to do well in this country. Go bitch on Reddit this isn't your safe space.

>>127502344

Socialism vs. Capitalism

>>127502814
36% is roughly the same as the non-white population.

>>127503682
THIS!

>>127503664
>If you have the will and drive

That's not true though.
Mark Zuckerburg's IQ has been calculated to be 152, etc. He's an Ashkenazi Jew.

You're a fool to think the average person can craft something like facebook just by being driven.

>>127502814
Can you rephrase this answer into a Harry Potter reference so I can understand it better?

>>127502344
Is he being obtuse on purpose?
"outside our control", could from Joe Blows perspective mean the government, it could mean genetics or if you're one of those people who believe in magic, mean god.

>>127504248
Those high paying physical jobs demand mental gymnastics, attention, and focus. Put an idiot on there and see how far they get before they're gone.

It's not shoveling shit my friend.

>>127502344
Germans are the true seed of every evil socialist and statalist doctrine.
They have probably no soul too.
>>127504255
This

>>127504255
Socialism doesn't work without unity in responsibility aka everyone agrees they need to do there share as a United nation. When you import the middle East into your semi functioning socialist states you fucked yourself. Have fun becoming Venezuela.

not completely, no. lazy retards probably thinks so though.
>muh determinism

Americans are bluepilled.

>>127502344
>US is 36
>Not being less then 20
Shows you that this country is growing to become full of entitled cucks.

>>127504344
>Mark Zuckerburg's IQ has been calculated to be 152
>has been calculated
so no one knows then

>You're a fool to think the average person can craft something like facebook just by being driven.
zuckerjew didn't come up with the idea of facebook. he stole it

>>127504344
Pretty sure anyone born without mental retardation can learn to read. They can choose to read a book about JavaScript or they can choose to read trashy entertainment. Someone who wants to make a better life for themselves and their families can opt for the one that betters their skillset and provides a better life. Nothing is capping how far they choose to go. Again stop being a lazy fuck and go make something.

>>127504501
Why are black people so ill-represented when it comes to obtaining nobel-prizes?

>>127503438
we're already taking them

>>127504563

Subtract Negroes and Arabs, viola.

>>127504521
>Give me more state
The post.
I wondered why Italy has gone down the drain recently, but people like you made me realize.
>>127504563
I feel sorry for you, stay strong burgerland

>>127504754
They can read a book about Javascript, but that doesn't mean they can apply it like their biological better.

>>127504719
It doesn't matter that he stole it. He made it into a reality.

>>127504821
Stop being a basic bitch faggot.
Its an issue that is rampant regardless of race. Go back to jerking it to your skin stormfag.

>>127504915
I will.

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>>127502560
>>127502814
Okay so I know that I was born in a poor family, but my family bettered itself just enough to get out of the working class up into lower middle class.
Yes both genetic and environmental factors predetermine of success. I believe that my dad was high in iq and had the work ethic, but was an alcoholic so it prevented up from moving up more. My mom seems to have a low iq and now she does not work and has now become a welfare queen, despite going to school, working hard and pulling us into the middle class.
As I became an adult, I had to start at the bottom, because of the same reasons most people stay poor. My siblings possess "poor" traits, while I am moving my way up the ladder.

Some people are essentially gifted their success, but other's have grabbed it by the balls through sheer will and determination. There are too many factors at play for that to be a statement I really would confidently agree or disagree with.

>>127504344

There were a good deal of sites around that were very similar to facebook when facebook hit it big. It wasn't anything seriously groundbreaking. Right place, right time.

>>127502344
I agree that there's things out of your control that will put you at a disadvantage but it's not advantageous for you or society as a whole to think that way. no wonder germany is such a cucked country.

>>127504915
>I wondered why Italy has gone down the drain recently

Probably because of people like Berlusconi who attempted to do a botched imitation of Reagan in Italy.

>>127505018
Why did Facebook strike gold if not for a brain that could see the value in it?

>>127504966
Hahaha and the right is racist. Kys

>>127505217
>The right is racist

Who said I was on any political spectrum?
I'm just telling you the truth.

>>127503376
Bill Gates inherited everything from his dad
>>127503478
What a clown

>>127503664
Zuckerberg did jack shit, he was born into the 1% and inherited his shitty website.

>>127503682
>being descendant from lawyers

That's not good, my parents are both lawyers and im one of the most discriminated people there is. Lawyers today are treated like shit.


>>127503758
Blaming your problems on yourself is a redflag for mental illness

>>127504966
Shut up

Explanation: Europe's millionaire/billionaire class has a much higher rate of people who inherited that wealth, compared to the US.

>>127505557
Not true. In the U.S every rich person had rich parents except for like one or two exceptions.

>>127502344
To a degree its true, some people get a leg up and some people don't, but to believe what your born with determines the exact destination your life will go to, is nothing but the ramblings of lazy cowards.
>>127504563
This basically.

>>127505544
>It's not good that people are lawyers and board members
>It's not indicative of wealth despite Bill Gates attending private schools when he was 13
>He had no leg up on anyone in the USA

It's just not this way.

>>127505636
It'll never determine your life with precision, but it's already slated to go in a certain direction.

>>127505544
>Blaming your problems on yourself is a redflag for mental illness

There's a difference between blaming yourself for everything, and assuming responsibility for your actions.

The latter is urgently needed in our current liberal, cuckold, pussy, nu-generation.

>>127505706
>It's not good that people are lawyers and board members

My parents are, well my dad is a lawyer my mom is a former lawyer and board room member and I'm treated like shit compared to everyone else

>It's not indicative of wealth despite Bill Gates attending private schools when he was 13

I did too, doesn't mean shit

>He had no leg up on anyone in the USA

I had all that to and guess where I work? I work at Tim Hortans as a Cashir, unless you're in the Bushes the rockefellers you get treated like shit unless your super rich

>>127505610
That's a actually not true at all. Most millionaires in the United States came up from the middle class.

>>127505348
Zuckerberg was born in the 1%, but he did not inherit facebook. He stole the idea and made it a reality.

>>127506037
>My parents never set-up a college fund, and they've locked me out of accessing their wealth

Sucks to be you, but that's an inversion of how it usually works.

>>127506096
Can you substantiate these claims?

>>127505610
Maybe in Chinada

http://www.thomasjstanley.com/2014/05/america-where-millionaires-are-self-made/

>>127505190

It wasn't the first site to strike gold either. MySpace was insanely popular in it's day, and although Tom might not be Jewish rich like Marky Mark he's still sitting comfy on some $60 million.

Once EVERYONE realized the 'value' in social media it started getting even more exposure. Wonder who might be interested in funding a massive identity information database?

>>127505303
Ok so if you are just a racial realist why don't you let the races each have an equal chance in the same system. Survival of the fittest right?

I hope the rich keep quietly raising the bar such that more and more losers can finally be filtered into the ditches they belong in.

We need to cull the bottom 99% yesterday.


If your family isn't already rich, today, you and your genes have failed and need to go back to the dirt.

>>127502344
Ger is twice as Cucked as USA.

>>127502812
Amen burgerbro

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>>127504984

BLM is founded on this, it's not new and as old as time itself. That why racism is never "solved".

You got a lot to learn...

>>127506423
To do so is to increase human suffering like never before.

Acknowledging that the world is fundamentally unequal is the first stepping stone to a better system.

>>127503207
Middle class is successful. A home, steady job, vacation time, enough money for hobbies and family...

How is that not success?

>>127503207
>It's easier to go down.
You're absolutely right but take the wrong implications from that. It's easier to go down FROM THE 0.01% TOO. Intergenerational wealth is actually very rare in America, more rare than in the rest of the world, which allows the bad wealthy to fail/fall into the middle class, and the very talented new money to move up into the ranks of wealth. Europe coddles their very wealthy with nobility which leads to decadence and degeneration.

>>127502344
Eternal anglo in action

>>127503376
>Revolutionized
You mean stole from IBM.

>>127503664
>Made to the top
>Grew up in Westchester county
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westchester_County,_New_York
>Stole from colleagues

>>127506829
Now you're getting into the subjectivity of success. Some people will look at their life eating pizza-hut in a ratty apartment and be content.

I'm merely gauging success by financial tiers.

>>127502814
This is completely untrue.

Us and UK social mobility is close to zero.

Don't parrot oligarch propaganda like a moron.

>>127506822
We struggling to maintain our countries as it is, why are we overworking our best to carry out worst. We have a system in the US that enables anyone to achieve greatness, that is the least cruel version. Because I promise you socialism or communism or whatever the fuck you think is going to work can't work in present day. Maybe once AI, robots, and automation are fully deployed, yes, but until then you need capitalism. If you fuckers ruin capitalism your going to get real fascism as a response and I promise you won't like it.

>>127507386
>No political party promotes human suffering
>YOU FUCKERS

I'm done talking to you

>>127503752
John d. Rockefeller was born into the middle class, and died not only the richest man in American history, but also the richest non political or monarch person.

>>127502344

Maybe if you can't manifest your intention.

3 dimensional plebs.

>>127507328
Yes it is untrue if you talk as a whole but there are a great deal of people in the US that believe what that Anon said. It is in the framework of society here in the US to believe that if you work hard you will get ahead.
I believe that you are taking what actually happens and what people believe and treating it as the same thing.

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>>127504821
>viola

>>127507796
My dad grew up in a house where they could barely afford to feed themselves, and now he make 400k a year.

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>>127507328
It's stupid Jewish propaganda to try to have non Jews slave away for their Jewish masters in hopes of getting a pat on the head and a small promotion. Social mobility in the US is fucked unless you want to be a Jew puppet.

>>127507654
He was also a Jew, and "the tribe" help their own in order to fuck over non Jews.

>>127507897
Well yeah, because the cispatriarchy raped dozens of women of color to hand him that.

>>127502344

A lot of this comes from determinism vs free will.

All of my hard left friends believe the individual is never to blame for his success or failure. Everything is because of his parents, his friends, but mainly his society. And because the individual is just a product of his society, then this society MUST make up for any failing of the individual. If this individual is in dept, society must get him out of them. Addicted to drugs? Society must ween him. Jobless? Society must provide.

That's always rubbed me the wrong way. If you aren't responsible for yourself, then why live at all? And it doesn't work in a practical sense either. There is no limit to how much individuals can fail, you can't expect society to pick up the pieces each and every time. There has to be a point where you say "No, get yourself out of trouble. Stop relying on others".

But when I say this to my lefty friends, they call me a right wing biggot who just doesn't understand because I haven't endured hardship. That if I was a poor drug addict, I would crave the state save me.

>>127506425
>If your family isn't already rich, today
I came to this realization about 7 years ago when I saw the trends in jobs being wiped out by technological progression and advances in AI/computing. It's terrified me ever since as I desperately accumulate as much money as I can so I can scrape my way into the class that survives the culling. I figure as long as I own some amount of stock I can at least survive with enough wealth to give my children a fighting chance in the coming century.

>>127507897
That's great man, but I was mainly talking about beliefs of what happens, and then the most probably thing that happens.
Yes people do raise them selves out of the lower class and middle class, but as a majority they stay at the same level for the most part.

Another thing is that a lot of these people get some sort of outside help that they deny is anything but their own will power.

My friends shit on me for not going to college and being kind of directionless in life at the moment when
>Friend 1's dad works his ass off to send him to school
>Friend 2 had a lady take him in from his shit family after high school and her friend paid for him to go to college, which he flunked out of.
>Friend 3 has hundreds of thousands of dollars he got from insurance policies when his parents died, and is raking in thousands more per day in investments.

And all of them act like I'm shit because nothing like that was handed to me. My parents didn't even help me get a job or a car.
How am I supposed to move up from here?

>>127507328
>Us and UK social mobility is close to zero.
Pony up some data showing that. It's absolutely not true in the USA. People move up and down in social class all the time here.

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>>127507909
Ah yes, blame the jews, it's always them, they're the reason your pitiful.

>>127508007
I know your memeing, but it's an international company that hires all forms of people

>>127508479
I was just trying to give an example lad

>>127507654
>John d. Rockefeller
>Ashkenazi Jew with 180 IQ

That's not the general trend.

Europe is dead.

>>127502344
The difference between the Anglosphere and other countries

>>127502344
>Germany: no easy access to weaponry & constitution written by the US
>US: plentiful access to weaponry in comparison to every other country on the planet & controls many other powerful countries

>>127508176
>All of my hard left friends believe the individual is never to blame for his success or failure.
They're not being illogical, it's just that their axioms are fucked up. If you take it as an axiom that "all people are equal" then it naturally follows that all variation in outcome is due to the environment, and none of it is "genetic" or internal. Of course it's utter rubbish to assume that all people are equal, given that IQ and personality and physical ability vary within the population, even between sets of genetically identical twins.

>>127508605
It is. You can keep on trying to chase reason "oh well Jews must be incredibly gifted, intelligent" but you're just falling for stupid Jew propaganda, all for some worthless paper with judeo-masonic symbols.

>>127508605
hey I gotcha. I know that there are plenty of examples of people rising up to different classes.
I was just saying that >>127502814 was talking about beliefs, and while it certainly does happen people for the most part stay in the same class.

>>127508583
>How am I supposed to move up from here?
Slowly, in fits and starts, with a lot of hard work and a bit of luck. Don't give up.

>>127502344
US, UK, Spain, France...these countries actually had an empire something that is only accomplish by going out of a safe space and taking risks.

>>127506425
Lol loser. Hopefully the rich get cancer I'm glad medical tech is so shit that even rich get horrible cancers. The rich have shit genes

>>127506197
Colleges and universities don't allow rich people in. Only the poor are aloud to go today

>>127502560
Even if that is a large part of it, why preoccupy yourself on things you cant change?

Ill tell you why. because you are numale who is afraid to try and fail and if you have tried and failed you blame your starting point to make yourself feel better.

>>127502344
Tbh, I don't get how americans connect this with calvinist predestination

>>127508176
This is good. If minorities are infused with victimhood mentality, they would never win, and if they even win, they will destroy themselves quickly. Its a very good mechanism.

>>127510133
America largely isn't Calvinist, although hard work is still prized.

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>All these faggots in denial
If a spanish hick can do it, you can kiddo.

>>127510450
I don't believe that hard work is a necessary thing to succeed, because there are so many people who work hard and do not succeed at all. Its more like go-getter attitude and belief that everything is possible.

>>127508176
I feel the same way. People need to accept responsibility for their own actions, and leftist refuse to believe that they are in control of their own life.
Yes, there are a great deal of factors to take into account when it comes to determining where a person ends up in life. However, despite many factors it is still possible to build up.
Take responsibility for your own life. While you may not become the super rich person that people say you can be, you can still build yourself up to a point where your children can have a better life, and their children can actually live up to what you wanted to be.
I guess people have to stop being so selfish and think of their children and grandchildren.

>>127502344
More government = more of your life is up to the government.

Pretty simple I think.

>>127511125
>>127508176
There is some occult trick. At some moment in life you might think that everything is bad and you can't control everything. Than, if you let it go and take full responsibility simultaneously, you suddenly obtain almost godlike powers to influence events. It's hard to explain, its kinda death and rebirth, when you loose all faith and obtain freedom, start to do things more effectively because you don't give a fuck and succeed.

>>127508601
http://www.oecd.org/eco/growth/economicpolicyreformsgoingforgrowth2010.htm

UK, ITA & US are the worst.

FYI ITA has a lot of descendants of aristocrats who own huge estates, banks, etc.

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>>127502344
>(((Forces Outside Our Control)))

>>127511607
I can't say that it is an occult trick or something more special than what it is, but I will say that letting go of what you can't control and focusing on what you can control is extremely beneficial.
Hell that's typical therapy thinking. don't worry about the stuff you can't change, and do what you know you can do.
I believe the idea of losing all of faith is giving up of this constant idea that is shoved down everyone's throat. The idea that you have no control.

>>127508176

Human beings are inherently reactive. Every single thing they do is reactive and free-will is really an illusion.

>>127512569
>I can't say that it is an occult trick
On larger scale it is. Its a basis of all occult initiations. Therapy thinking is directly derived from watered down occult practices, if you don't know that.

>>127512569
>I believe the idea of losing all of faith is giving up of this constant idea that is shoved down everyone's throat.
I didn't get what you mean

>>127512569
And the occult trick is that when you accept that you cant change anything, you suddenly can change things almost magically.

>>127502344
>>127502560

Exactly. Only a moron would disagree. These are the same people who think free will actually exists. Biology itself is a force outside our control, everything we're going to do is already predetermined by the way biology created us.

>>127513365
Free will exists if you believe in it. Enjoy being fucked, portugal

>>127513135
Well people have faith in the idea that they have no control over what circumstances they are constantly faced with. They believe that it is all random, which it is, but they fail to see that their actions are not random. They are in control of themselves, and it is like you said, "Free will exists"
>>127513305
It's not the acceptance that you can't change anything, but that you can change only so much. That in itself is magical in a sense.

It's debatable at a philosophical level if free will is real. But it sure as shit SEEMS to be real and everyone acts like it is so yes your actions have consequences, deal with it.

>>127513502

>Santa exists if you believe in it.

That's a cute drawing you got there Ireland let me hang it on the fridge since it's so so special to me

>>127513860
>It's not the acceptance that you can't change anything, but that you can change only so much. That in itself is magical in a sense.
I meant that when you accept that you can't change something, however you try to do it, you suddenly can change it. It's indeed miraculous, when you stop giving a fuck about something it works out itself without any direct action.

>>127514042
Your disbelief hurts only you

>>127513861
The only arguments against the idea of free will comes from a religious omnipotent being standpoint.
In most people's sense of lacking free will,however, comes from situation beyond their control.
Say, for instance, my mom is sick so I can't go to college or do this or that. However, the person still has the choice to do those things they just choose not to.

>>127514328
>The only arguments against the idea of free will comes from a religious omnipotent being standpoint.
What? No. Determinism comes from the sciences being able to predict the motions of particles and the derivation of natural laws. Of course quantum mechanics blows this out of the water but atheists never were the brightest.

>>127514816
randomness does not guarantee free will either. So, you either free, you you are with (((science)))

>>127514172
I believe that in a situation like that you just had to change your methods of going about the situation. To stop giving a fuck caused a change in what you wanted to change. It is crazy to think that us as individuals have power despite not even caring.

>>127514229

If I willingly chose to live in a lie then that would eventually hurt me as well. Anyways, believing that biology is a force outside your control in the sense it conditions the way you behave and even think is the rational stance to have. You can argue the other way if you so desire but starting from the assumption that the rational stance is the irrational one is just preposterous.

>>127514985
We have. Just examine your reasoning and you would notice that it is you who change the situation.

>>127502344
Outside the hives of rapid sjws and thsis board most American normies are classically liberal and capitalist whether they know it or not.

>>127515105
>believing that biology is a force outside your control
You simply can not think rational at all after you assume that.

>>127515174
Well yeah that's what I am saying :D

>>127502344
determinist cucks don't take responsibility for their own lives and thus sell their souls to the government, which destroys them

>>127502344
Interesting, it appears to be negatively correlated with the amount of government assistance/welfare that people receive. That would suggest people become dependent, which is what most people on the left adamantly deny.

The reality is that all western countries have great levels of social/class mobility, perhaps the best in human history. People can become rich overnight, or lose everything in the blink of any eye. That said, being poor isn't even that bad in the West, they live better then almost all humans who have ever existed.

So what is it about welfare that makes people think they can't succeed? Is it purely psychological, like a child dependent on their parents?