Programmers, why haven't you taken tha cyanide pill?

>>127466100
happily married programmer here
plenty of job security in my country

canada sucks i guess?

>>127466100
this again leaf? go fuck yourself

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>>127466100
OP, it's all true

so true

not to mention Canadian coding companies now only hire non-whites and promote diversity non-stop etc

>kill me

What...? Mate, sound like you're in the wrooong profession and it's making you miserable as fuck. Look, I'm currently fucking a programer - he's awesome, funny, charming, smart, makes decent money, great in bed, has a fucking six pack...

I'm sorry to say but it's not the profession ... it's you. Go back to school or whatever, just do something that you actually at least somewhat enjoy.

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>>127466100
>>127466299
>>127467299

All these binary digits in a digital thread

>what did kek mean by this?

I'm gonna bail out of the industry. I just need to own a house first.

>>127466100
I'm a developer as well, I have my company by the balls.. If I leave the company will collapse, or software will no longer "operate" as intended..

They know, not to fuck with my bread.

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>>127467598
OP doesn't sound like he's a programmer

Also
>mate
>fucking a guy
fits the coding faggot meme perfectly and no normal woman fucking them

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>>127468222
>>127468233
>>127467299
>>127466299
>>127466100

Kek is confirming OP, this is statistically impossible to obtain such a high ratio of digits

>programming as a job
This is a meme right?

Why would you do this? Why would you do such a fun and creative activity for people for money? Program as a hobby. If you can monetize your creations, even better. Every successful programmer created their works as a hobby, not by being stuffed into a cubicle next to a bunch of poos.

If you spend all day programming at work the last thing you want to do is go home and program as a hobby.

> this thread again

>>127468233
Can't say much about the "normal" part, but I am indeed a woman happily fucking a programmer.

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>>127468813
Post pics of feet fag

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>>127466100
>and this is why I post on a Taoist Zen-Buddhist lewd cartoon picture exchange forum.

>>127468657
Can agree..

But my code has timed Killswitch.
If I don't satisfy it stuff breaks.

Then company hires me back to fix the problem == don't fuck with my bread!!

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>>127468813

>>127468813
You know the rules here.

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>>127468477
checked

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>>127468813
> Bulgarian woman on /pol/

>>127469041
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>>127469335
>>127469378
Aw guys, don't tell me a pic would prove anything. What, you don't think I can googe shit and have a pirated copy of photoshop? Pls.

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>>127469182
>literally having to include deadman switches in codebase to maintain job
sounds like some poo-level job security

>>127469806
>what is a timestamp
>being this dumb
wait, maybe you are a female... still skeptical

>>127467299
Good to see whites self deporting themselves out of our countries

>know how to program
>Doesn't make anything they can sell themselves
>Cries about working for the man

>Makes post to dissuade would be programmers so they don't go into his field because he's so shit St his job and has no confidence he won't be easily replaced

>>127466100
From what I've seen they have a high security but get treated like shit and the wages aren't astonishing either.

>>127466100
>>literally having to include deadman switches in codebase to maintain job
>sounds like some poo-level job security

Think of it as a Software Licenses.
No money = No work.

I don't trust my boss anyways.
>

>>127470103
What is someone who used to fool around with editing and photoshop. Decent looking piece of paper, fake handwriting with a marker or whatever, passable light/shadows, throw on some grain and terrible light to begin with.. I'm not that good so it would take time, but still doable. Come on.

It's true to an extent, massive companies particularly can't stand to have programmers who are in any way indispensable. If you're socially inept and unassertive they will shit all over you and eventually replace you with a pajeet slave

If you can stick up for yourself and find a respectable company, it's decent money and not too soul destroying. But a successful gas repair man is still probably raking in more than you because he's self employed whilst you're getting cucked by PAYE (pay as you earn for burgers i.e govt gets its cut before you do)

>>127466100

Translation, the agenda i'm promoting is supporting the narrative of a programmer shortage by literally helping to create a programmer shortage while simultaneously wrapping it in a white genocide agenda. kys.

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>>127470869
ffs
write on your tits then crack 2 eggs on your tits and take a high-resolution picture
>do it now

>>127471019

I should point out that despite being partially true this is a common shill/copypasta thread

Developer here, it's honestly one of the best industries to find a job if you are competent.
Especially now that all this poo code is being taking advantage of by hackers, companies are actually trying to find more decent programmers.

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>>127468233
>>127467598

>>127471587
Compiler errors are the easiest to fix and the least of your worries as a developer.

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>>127466100
>>127467299
You sound like a very uninformed individual.

>>127468657
I do both. Make money on both ends. Have stable contracts that have a net profit of $250k/year. Plus I can focus a lot of my time on side projects that are likely to pay even more. Win/win.

>>127466299
Canada is decent. Average code monkey pay is $50k-$60k/year. Which is not amazing. But they average coder enjoys the casual laid back office atmosphere. Not myself, so I started my own company.

>>127470642
If you are an average code monkey sure. If you are creative and opportunistic you can make it huge.

>>127471019
This is not possible. There is always a way to make yourself indispensable (if you are talented). Then you can demand higher pay and they won't be able to refuse.
Started my own software company. Still young (2.5 years). Have learned a lot.
Will answer questions if yall have them.

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>>127471584
>Especially now that all this poo code is being taking advantage of by hackers, companies are actually trying to find more decent programmers.

not in canada. canadian companies expect to pay programmers $50K CAD, or they'll just bring in pajeet for $25K

They keep running stories here in the media about how evil Trumps "Muslim travel ban" is and how Silicon Valley talent is going to flock to Canada because Canada is supposedly turning into a global talent hub (it's not). I just kek hard at these stories because Canadian companies don't pay shit compared to US companies, literally 1/3 if that. The H1-B Poo Coders that are going to get thrown out are going to be headhunted by Canadian companies but the H1-b Poo's won't even bother because the salaries are so fucking low. And then they're touting Vancouver and it's climate bullshit, when it literally costs $5M to buy a house.

There's a reason why the US produces huge successful tech companies and Canada produces none, oh wait, we have Shopify, a fucking shopping cart and Kik, a fucking text messaging app topkek

Anyone here spend a year or two in the industry then switch to a completely unrelated job? I've just completed my placement year in a web dev company, definitely don't want to be doing this shit for the rest of my life.

>3 devs dedicated to support
>150 incoming support tickets per week
>about 50% of them are actual bugs/serious issues (other 50% dealt with by customer service agents)

>expected to get through a minimum of 3 tickets per day
>get assigned a couple of tickets at stand up
>these look simple enough
>turns out the who functionality surrounding the problem area is bust
>your ticket, your problem now

>slack popup
>serious issue here, need you to fix it and priortise it
>lose mental image of the other problem I was working on

>deploy changes to test environment
>someone's fucked up the database
>don't have permission to fix it

>anon, why's your ticket count so shit this week?

Completely drained the life out of me, couldn't even think or talk straight at the end of each day. Only had the energy to browse /pol/ when I got home; constantly being reminded of your culture and race's impending doom doesn't exactly lift the spirits.

>>127472475
Shopify's greatest contribution to the world is fucking Liquid, a markup language which requires you to put all your comments between
> {% comment %}
> THESE FUCKING THINGS
> {% endcomment %}

If you want a laugh just read the "documentation." If you can identify which of the two ambiguous sets of pages are the documentation (neither is marked clearly as documentation and things are schizophrenically split between them).
I mean not every project can be Postgres but come the fuck on, at least try a little bit. Even pandas keeps everything in one place.

>>127472651
Oh, mate tough shit. I had a job like that too, was at a Service Desk tons of calls. Hated every minute of it especially the dumbass people who should not be using the computer.

Ops a moron. And an inexperienced programmer who has no idea what the marker share is.

Most programmers, like op have no connection between reality and what's on their precious text editor.

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>>127472888
These digits are out of control

Yeah haha. Amazing eh? Any retard can make a scripting language in a week and there are millions. I guess they have to create some products for their (((shareholders))).

Just took a quick look. They're losing money every quarter and the loss is accelerating. Shareholder equity is at $400M yet their market cap is $7.1B LMFAO! Literally 1700% overvalued. a fucking shopping cart

It's going to go bankrupt like every other Canadian company.

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>>127473328
OPs right on the money. Especially in Canada. Programmers are treated like shit and paid shit. Canadian companies expect to get Stanford PhD programmers that command $500-750K USD in silicon valley for $60-80K CAD. Then they expect the stanford phd to create the product and do the heavy lifting while working for 10-20% of market wages and fire him when they think he's done and bring in pajeet for $30K through the TFW program from bengaluru to maintain it, but pajeet always doesn't know what he's doing and ends up fucking it up and the canadian companies' clients bail because the managers are fucking idiots and the company ends up going bankrupt

meanwhile stanford PhD goes to SV and gets hired by Google or MS for $600K USD a year + equity and creates some brilliant new product that earns Google/MS billions and becomes insanely rich through his equity grant

>just a quick summary of how canada and the US differ

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>>127472651
jesus, no amount of money is worth that and that's what most coding jobs are. postal workers get treated better and earn more

what were you paid and what type of benefits? full time or contract? how many pajeets? what education?

>>127466100
I'm going into the CS bachelors in a year. Going through community college first to be low stress so I can grow my company I'm starting.

Digital Marketing Agency = Easy cash

>>127466100
>Programming's father, Alan Turing, killed himself with cyanide because he was a programmer.
pretty sure it was because he was a bum bandit

>>127468813
the only lie greater than a girl fucking a programmer is a man fucking a bulgarian

I'm 28 and know nothing about programming and don't have any other skills. Should I major in computer science to fix my life?

Please advise

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>>127475308
Australia, I...

>>127466100
>>127466100
pro-tip

this is a disinformation campagin by poo in the loos & jews to increase hb1 visas

don't fall for it. Programmers bank. They want you working at mcdonalds

>>127475022
>what were you paid and what type of benefits?
£14,000 annually, although it's the standard rate for placements in the area. A graduate would be paid around £26,000 for the same position. Only benefits were cheap parking and a short commute.

>full time or contract?
Full time.

>how many pajeets?
No pajeets, 3 eastern Europeans though (out of 50). The company's also planning on opening a location in Eastern Europe (also shilled hard for remain).

>what education?
BSc Computer Science

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>>127476392
What the fuck? That's even lower than Canada

Are wages generally low in the UK?

>>127469182
As a programmer:

F u

>>127475611

Yes, do something.

If you enjoy it, it's a great job with a high starting salary (60k entry-level).

>>127470869
Your tits ain't worth that much effort sweetheart

>>127474581
So full of shit. Your describing 1 in a million cases. But u are right about outsourcing.

Canada has fuck all for a healthy "programming sector". It has no silicon valley worth mentioning (ok a few thousand in Vancouver but it's fuck all) . Also Canada isn't respected in this market by anyone.

I'm an engineer and I program industrial controls for 130k. I'm success because I go into the field and program for the real world. Unlike most purists out there.

Do i know how to android/iphone app?
>yep
Do I know how to write 12 different languages?
>yep
Does it make good money in Canada?
>nope

Programmers here are treated like it helpdesk assholes because THEY ARE. They have no concept how to program for the field. Which makes them very worthless.

OP is jerking himself off because he thinks programming is a way of life that leads nowhere (even if touring an heroed cause he was gay like OP). OP is just beta. Programmers who diversified into the Canadian market persevere not whiny little snivelling cum gargling faggots like OP.

Tl;Dr

OP is a self loathing fag who has no clue what the Canadian "programming market" actually is.

>>127476695
Depends on the area and company, for the same position in London I was told to expect £36,000 as a placement student, although in real terms it probably wouldn't be much better due to the cost of living.

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Canada suffers from a desperate and growing shortage of computer developers and software engineers. Over the past several decades, Silicon Valley has claimed our best and brightest. An estimated 350,000 Canadians now live in the the Bay Area — a veritable lost generation lured by good, high-paying tech jobs and access to collaborators and capital.

http://business.financialpost.com/entrepreneur/fp-startups/why-canada-is-failing-at-tech

>HootSuite CEO crying he can't find programmers
>wah
>wah
>why won't top programmers work for HootSuite earning $50K CAD?!?!?
>why does Silicon Valley keep stealing our top grads? why do they pay them hundreds of thousands??
>I can't find coders because I don't want to pay them what they're worth

Literally Canada

I'm a teacher but Ive just finished a Computer science degree because there are so many sperg kids these days and I fucking hate them and their cunt mothers.

I'm good at c# what're the highest paying jobs i can get?

>>127466100
>Programming is an incredibly degrading job that offers 0 job security and is the vocation most plagued by ageism by a far margin. You are not respected at any normal company. Every day, some Alpha, who probably does nothing at his job except getting his secretary to suck his dick in his corner office, cucks you into doing random bitch work, and then yells at you when it's not done by the deadline despite it being impossible to complete. Not only that, the code rarely works, your co-workers are Poos brought in by Tata who will replace you for half the salary and you have to train them to get your $500 severence, and the work never, ever ends. You pollute your body with the caffeinenated jew, deprive it of sleep, and let it rot while you sit the majority of the day, neglecting any healthy exercise, social interaction or life game goal attainment.


I am one of few programmers in a company that desperately needs programmers. Everyone thinks I'm a genius for writing a silly hash script.
Also I get paid like shit.

>>127478051
This.

I write apps as a hobby, full stack, but work in a completely different industry because I get paid $40k more to work somewhere else.

I'd consider programming as a job if it paid more.

>>127478230
Ireland? Not sure. Doesn't Ireland have a lot of tech companies now?

you could always go into potato farming, I hear you guys have shortages sometimes

>>127479417
>Everyone thinks I'm a genius
>Also I get paid like shit.
Something doesn't compute then.

not a programmer, but a data analyst so i write some code. where can i get cyanide, honestly?

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Lol mfw I'm the only one programming in Canada for 6 figures.

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>>127479932
I opened a dev business just Friday so programming for $0 right now

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>>127479932
>yfw when you could be making $300-500K USD in the US

https://blog.step.com/2016/04/08/an-open-source-project-for-tech-salaries/

>>127472475
>50k CAD

That's pretty awful, I see interns getting paid around that (if you use the hourly wage equivalent).

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>>127466100
>Be Swede programmer
>Loved at company, only the boss and one other engineer is paid more than me at local 300 people branch
>Go to help canadian branch since the Swedish boss isn't getting why their throughput is so slow
>Mfw canadian programmers are as you described
>Mfw they where so bad 7 people got fired after i got there
>Mfw we had to take in 2 Swedes and one guy from our danish branch to straighting it out
>Mfw we all got paid 4 times more than the canadian programmers
>Mfw its apparently the same in America

Protip: You get treated like shit because you are not only a bad programmer but also quite obviously a beta.
The best treated people in Sweden are Programmers, doctors and engineers.

>Inb4 le epig weponised me-me's because you got triggered

>>127480462
Had the choice negro. Was educated in the states.

I won't work in a country like that. I'm not that desperate to be cucked.

>>127480643
When I interned in the US years ago I got the equivalent of $130,000 CAD

Canada is a fucking communist shithole

>>127480645
This guy gets it.

>CS student thinks he's the next Zuckerkike and will make 6 figures starting
>becomes low level programmer making $50k a year
>can't afford anything in overpriced Seattle/Bay Area and has to room with 7 other people
>job gets outsourced to Pajeet on H1B1 in 3 years

>>127480645
what type of company and what city

>>127481240
90k+ to six figures is expected for a new software dev in the SFBA. My little tech company pays the engineer INTERNS like $48/hr. Even fuckers from these bullshit bootcamps are getting like $70-80k/year.

Plus outsourced software sucks, and execs hate flying to India to have meetings. They will piss away lots of company cash to avoid that.

>>127466100
Why is that programmer in a data center?

>>127482920
Cause in Canada programmers are over glorified IT helpdesk people. That's why OP is so butthurt.

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>>127480645
i call bullshit on this story

>>127483708
proof

>>127482705
That's not that much considering SFBA cost of living. Everyone on HN constantly complains about how shitty BA is.

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That's right goys. Programming is a really shit job. Don't ever go for a programming jobs of any kind. Leave that for cucks!

>>127480163
>>127480163
Stick with it man. If you are willing to grind and take on hard contracts you will do well. Say yes to opportunities. You will need to suffer some in order to learn.

It took me 15 months to earn my first dollar after starting my company.
Now I'm comfortably netting $250k in profit, after 2-3 years of operation.
It is gonna be better and better.

>>127466100

Why do leafs do this all the time? Like fuck off already.

If you can program you can make ANYTHING.

You can make an online store, website, software, applications, clients, and video games.

Programming is the white man's job. If you can't move from one job to a better one, that's your problem.

>>127488573

Lol. I hire programmers for my business that I own; don't know shit about programming. Enjoy your 10k to build a sales CRM that makes me 500k.

>>127480645
>The best treated people in Sweden are Programmers, doctors and engineers.

This. In Scandinavia engineering, medicine and programming are the best paying and safest degree/university based career choices. After that you get business, law and economics. At the bottom there is sociology and humanities.

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>>127489566

I know it's bait but

> Jobs
Overabundant, businesses see a FOUR YEAR OLD curricula and call you offering a job, even insiting on it.
> Pay
Not so good. But there's not so many good paying jobs here, so better than average.
> Career advancement
Much better than average.
> SJW on the job
This is Italy, outside universities they get laughed at by commies, democrats, liberals and fascists alike.
> Women reject you
Have a smoking hot 9/10 gf, always had plenty of woman.

>>127468477
holy shit checked. OP is a faggot!

>>127471019
>If you're socially inept and unassertive they will shit all over you and eventually replace you

Newsflash, if you are socially inept and unssertive you'll become a feet rug for any company in no time, regardless of the job.

>>127466100
You've never had any sort of job in the field, have you?

>>127466100
Programmer here

don't listen to the others here, everything in OP is pretty much spot on, I am treated like shit by my peers and society for being a programmer, please do not go into it if you're interested

>>127466100
I have it bretty good as a programmer sampai. Pull in 120k a year, get equity, good benefits, work from home, no overtime. Key is work for white companies only. Walk in for an interview and see a bunch of chinks and poos and walk the fuck out.

>>127479466
What's the other industry you work in?

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>>127466100
Wow you can do basic multiplication congratufukkinlations negro want to go ahead and plug in that lan cable.

Also fly is undone.

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How does it feel to have your defining feature as a human being be that your skin is black and you can do multiplication and have a job.

THESE ARE NORMAL THINGS they are not amazing achievements.

Those losers you hang out with are pieces of shit and most of them probably do deserve death but if you want to go ahead and pick on people cause their skin colour well then allow me to show you what I can do.

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See you later nigger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZHwGnGrm_k

>>127493886
>>127466100
What would you two say about hardware design and computer engineering? I've always been interested in computers but if programming is that bad then I'm gonna have to have a back up

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>>127494177
>flag
>120K
>remote from home
LARP: the post.

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>>127495074
Ill leave the thread with a movie that will slide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bofwya97-CA

was getting into programming and bought bitcoin instead
living the posh MGTOW neet life
although I struggle to make my life valuable being the autistic virgin from highschool
I know I need to lift and socialize more to not appear as a weak rich faggot

>>127466100
i work remotely at my house for a corporation and make $130k/yr
love my job

also, writing java is not coding...java is a garbage language for garbage people like pajeet

>>127472081
>way to make yourself indispensable (if you are talented). Then you can demand higher pay and they won't be able to refuse.
>Started my own software company. Still young (2.5 years). Have learned a lot.
>Will answer questions if yall have them.

Did you go into business with a clear vision of a product to distribute or did you simply set up a "shop" pumping out multiple products?

I have skills and know others with skills but have no idea how to channel it into something.

T. could make ultrasound software, PET/MR scan software, games, business analytics tools, most things really, as web apps, desktop app, mobile apps, whatever really...

How the fuck do you pick one thing and know whether it is viable enough to be worth the time to put together a team and create it, and push it out, and do all the boring business stuff alongside it?

And how much of your employees daily work process it putting out fires resulting from shitty poo poo code? Or did you have some talented people put together something nicely architectured and maintainable from scratch?

>>127495838
I love Java! What don't you like about it?

>>127466100
lol you sound like some butthurt liberal arts major

at least I have a nice paying job :^)

>>127495838
then what language do you mainly use? im guessing python

I guess this thread is relevant enough for my question. What language would you say is the best one for a beginner? I was thinking Python or JavaScript? I'm a total noob tbqh

I have some coding experience from school where I learned some Perl but I'm not sure if this language is really worth getting into it.

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>>127466100
Literally memes, the post. You can find really good tech jobs if you're a white male or Indian over 6 feet and don't have social autism. The jobs you're talking about only exist if you sign up for them.

The company I work for is the complete opposite of this. I'm slightly underpaid, but the lifestyle is great and flexible, I only work the hours I want as long as I put in full time each week.

Also I have a qt 3.14 asian gf to slam on my days off, similar to pic related, who is a medical worker.

You are just a nigger OP, just like the pic you posted.

>>127496939
if you were in us, you know that you could get paid way better, right?

>>127496430

>having to type more because its so damn verbose, and I type pretty fucking fast as it is.

Other than that it's not too bad it's just if you are doing trivial simple stuff it would be nice to be able to just write it flat out in JS using JSON and not define all these classes beforehand. In C++ you could've at least made them as structs but encapsulating everything as a fucking class becomes a bit old especially.

If you have like 20 different what would-be structs, in JS you type it out in JSON no problem, C/C++ define the struct, OK... Java create a new file and define it as a class and instantiate it with new () and pass in all those args that really fucking sucks because it is simple but insisting on making everything into classes makes it so.

>>127496853
Python is known for being the most user friendly and better starting languages but Java is more versatile
From my understanding you want to know multiple for industry but C++ is the most required programming language

Then again I dont know shit, this is just what I've heard

>>127497524
three languages: java, c++, python. c++ for speed, java for legacy and old history stuff, and python for new and fun stuff.

>>127466100
dude, quit your job and hike the planet. I quit programming. It's like knowing how the world works but no one gives a shit. Just travel the world like me and stop giving a fuck about the bills. Sure... one day I'll probably end up dead in a ditch somewhere in let's say Honolulu. But who gives a fuck. I'd rather die like this than in the office shitter.

>>127496815
Go, Erlang, Haskell and Ruby
>>127496430
it's an inelegant and overly verbose industrial style garbage language

>>127497389
Ahh, I see. I like it for its verbosity and I like writing, so with Java it feels as if I'm writing a novel lol.

>>127497770
Ruby shits on Python
Python would still be good if you were able to switch to 3.X but since everything in the world is stuck in 2.7 it will never be allowed to progress due to it's sins of the past

>>127497804
>
>>127497804
your job must be really specific, or kinda small enough that you set the rules. except for very specific ones, i guess i don't really see much point for functional languages

>>127466100
What sort of dimension do you live in?

Easy as shit work, for okay pay.

>>127466100
I think your problem may actually stem from living in an ocean of white guilt and maple syrup, you faggot leafcuck

>>127497956
honestly ive never really used ruby, so cant speak for it. but just for the sake of large community and shit, i would still use python. apparently now google's main internal language is python, although its lack of declaration makes things a bit too puzzling in some cases

>>127466100
>t. can code fizzbuzz
that's nothing though

upgrade your copypasta, senor

>>127466100
Autist whos driving force in life is electronics and computers here.
It was my destiny to become a programmer, but everything in this post is the reason I chose not to.
Theres just no money left in it(only a hand full of exceptions)

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>>127466100
What is the end game of this copypasta?

>>127497956

ruby is a meme language, designed to get people who don't know anything about computer architecture to "code"

>>127466100
Its just that your companies like to import tons of Pajees because they are cheap and stupid.
Things are not the same everywhere

Coding is soul crushing. Had to do one subject of C++ during my 2nd semester in Master's and I aged 10 years. Not that it's hard, I had almost 100% on it, but god damn, it's the most mind numbing thing I ever did. How can anyone do coding for a living is beyond me. Not surprised all the programmers I know drink a liter of coffee a day and are easy to trigger

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>>127477116
Do you have any tips for somebody wanting to study CS in Canada?

This thread is depressing, I thought programming was one of the last few fields left where you can actually get a decent job

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>>127466100
>low-iq brainlet who never got past the code monkey stage complains about programming
>again
Why do you keep starting these autistic threads? It's clear that you're just projecting your own self-hatred.

>>127472081
Sure I'll bite.
I didn't go to college but I've been working security on the pipelines and it's stupid easy to read text books for ~12 hours a day and get paid almost 4K a month for it.
I've read some textbooks on ubuntu, and other shit, a bit on network security, I've finished Upgrading and Repairing PCs 21st edition, and I'm reading Learning Python now and Programming with Python Next. Takes about two months to get through a 1500 page reference book for me at this rate. Figure the next book will take longer since it's more project oriented. I'm 28 now.
Am I on the right track here so far?
Should I make adjustments to my current track or buckle down hard on Python and networking bullshit?

>>127499122
>one subject of C++ during my 2nd semester in Master's
Maybe if you learn a real language and use it to solve real problems, you wouldn't be so bored.

>>127498938
no, that's python
ruby isn't as accessible as python is

>>127499287

It is. Don't listen to Chuckle-fuck McGee, aka OP.

He's just posting a bait thread to lure you worthless saps with no spine.

>>127466100
You posted this thread last week, leaf.

It's probably good job security - but only if you're young. Computer industry is incredibly age-discrim. Yeah, there's laws but they're worth shit.

Don't do it for the money, you'll burn out. If you were meant to do it, you probably already know and you'll do OK. Just have a plan in place for when you get old and they won't hire you anymore.

>>127481836
That i live in right now or where i was?
I was about 2 hours east of Ottawa working at a production plant.

>inb4 hurr durr what does a programmer do at a place with ton of machines

>>127466100
whats the problem with all this pasta threads from leafs?
fucking bots are ruinging this board

>>127499287
>I thought programming was one of the last few fields left where you can actually get a decent job
It's like any other field: if you're shit (as 90% of programmers are), you're going to get a shit job and be treated as a disposable code monkey. If you have something to show for yourself, you'll be set.

>>127466100
I would still like to learn it as a hobby. I have a few ideas I would like to create but lack the skill.

>>127499287
>>127500274

This, if you're going for it you better become really fucking good and/or have some predisposition to become so.

If you write well and are good at math chances are you'll pick up programming pretty easily.

If you struggle with math and/or writing you'll probably have a harder time, but really unless you're literally a retard you can become good if you just put in enough time and find a way to make it enjoyable.

>>127466100
>Every day, some Alpha, who probably does nothing at his job except getting his secretary to suck his dick in his corner office, cucks you into doing random bitch work, and then yells at you when it's not done by the deadline despite it being impossible to complete.

This is why good programmers move to the San Francisco Bay Area.

Yes, outside the Bay area, the programmer is usually the "beta cuck" as you put it. In the Bay Area they are the profit center and thus respected.

There are a few islands outside the Bay Area where programmers are the profit center, but mostly its in the Bay Area.

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>>127502047
>>127501689
>>127500274
>>127500231
>>127500211
>>127500128
>>127499384
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>>127498541
>>127498183
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>>127479932
OP here.

None of you can code.

Want proof white bois? Code Fizzbuzz.

>Print X sequential integers
>If a number is divisible by 3, print "fizz".
>If a number is divisible by 5, print "buzz".
>If it's divisible by both 3 and 5, print "fizzbuzz".
>One output

98% of white crackas can't code this. You can use any programming language. Try, you fill fail.

>>127466100
lol alan turing didn't kill himself because he was a programmer, its because they injected estrogen in him because he was gay. OP pls kill yourself.

>>127502662
Lmao pls retard, this is like projecteuler.net for niggers. Gimme a fucking break. I could write this out by hand.

>>127502662
Wtf i code complex shit daily. Fizz buzz? That's your benchmark? Lmao, we gotta talk about your skills, kiddo.

>>127466100

If you're autistic enough to just do simple programming and not legitimate software engineering then its your own fault.

>>127468477
Witnessed. OP is a fucktip.

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>>127495965
You nailed the most important question right on the head.
> How the fuck do you pick one thing

Here is my advice on this.
-If you have not worked a serious job in the field, it means that you likely don't have contacts who have made it (released projects, collected significant profit). Making it from this position is going to require you to do a shit load of stuff well that you have little to no experience in (find clients, create product, set up company, etc, etc)

The hard part about developing a product in any field is first identifying a customer base.

So, if you can't look at your projects ideas and clearly see a viable customer base, then you need more experience and contacts in the field.
The best way to get this is to get a job (or jobs) with companies doing cutting edge shit.
Contract if you can, or else get a full time job for a year.
Do good fucking work and you will build a local reputation.
Then work will find you.

>>127499384
Code more than you read.
Reading is good, but hands-on coding experience is most important.
Usually a company will hire someone with an impressive portfolio (personal website, game, platform, etc) over someone with a lot of 'book' knowledge or even a university degree.
So pick some cool project(s) and build it. Learn niche and in-demand tech (Unity, react native, firebase, etc) and you will stand out big time.

Don't kid yourself tho, being good at dev is fucking hard. You need to seriously make it your life.

>>127502662

Baiting troll detected yet again,

fizzbuzz is literally to see if they are able to write the simplest of the simple code.

even if you never knew how to program, you could learn a fizzbuzz in 10 minutes...

w/e dude!

let pme="";for(let i = 0; i < 100; i++)pme+=(['fizz\n','buzz\n','fizzbuzz\n',''][i%15===0?0:i%5===0?1:i%3===0?0:3]);console.log(pme);

come at me bro

>>127502662
Your problem statement is unclear. Do you want fizz/buzz/fizbuzz printed instead of the corresponding integer or in addition to it?

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OP is upset we wiped our ass with his resume and laughed at him while he was answering our interview questions.

>If you ever wondered why there were awkward silences on phone interviews. It's because we hit the mute button and started talking shit about you.

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>>127502662
Almost forgot. [pic related] is a mandatory brainlet test for """programmers""". Provide an efficient solution (without using anything that compiles into a mul or floating point instructions).

>>127503829

Thanks for the answer bro!

Where would you recommend to go work as far as most cutting edge stuff? As far as I know there's not that much cutting edge stuff here other than in the scientific community, which some of that could be turned into a business but I would literally have to look up people with plausible seeming experience on LinkedIn.

I do not know this for sure but it seems an awful lot of programmers coming out of uni here end up as consultants, in which they join this behemoth organization with thousands of employees and probably comfy jobs... Anyway not much room for glorious heroic brogramming to be noticed in those.

I have close to 0 coding experience, have no college degree and want to learn to code and possibly lend a job related to it. I know people who are self taught and took courses and got a job despite no degree, so I know its not just a meme. I need some real advice, basic and thorough.

>>127466100
>pol defending programming even though its jewish science

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>>127504225
>posts ugly code that doesn't even work

>>127505546
try this:
- pick a language and practice...alot
- go to a programming blog and answer questions
- study project management
- study data mining
- keep practicing

>>127466299
Based norweigan knows what's up

>>127505191
Jesus christ. Just use a fucking buckle to add "a" a "b" number of times. That solution there is physically painful.

>>127467299
Yeah I was in school for it and I was wondering if there were any nurseries or scholarships for white straight males. Needless to say I got back into the great outdoors, archery and I work a shit job that I get hours for. Oh well.

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>>127504225
section .text
global _runnin
_runnin:
mov ecx, 1

tha_game_plan:
push ecx

xor dx, dx
mov ax, cx
mov bx, 15
div bx
cmp dx, 0
jz kfc_fried_chicken

xor dx, dx
mov ax, cx
mov bx, 3
div bx
cmp dx, 0
jz mcdonalds_fried_chicken

xor dx, dx
mov ax, cx
mov bx, 5
div bx
cmp dx, 0
jz popeyes_chicken

mov eax, ecx
call matematics_n_sheet
jmp bangin

kfc_fried_chicken:
mov eax, 4
mov ebx, 1
mov ecx, fizzbuzz
mov edx, 11
int 0x80
jmp bangin

mcdonalds_fried_chicken:
mov eax, 4
mov ebx, 1
mov ecx, fizz
mov edx, 6
int 0x80
jmp bangin

popeyes_chicken:
mov eax, 4
mov ebx, 1
mov ecx, buzz
mov edx, 6
int 0x80
jmp bangin

bangin:
pop ecx
cmp ecx, 100
jz white_cracka_cops
inc ecx
jmp tha_game_plan

white_cracka_cops:
mov eax, 1
mov ebx, 0
int 0x80

>>127466100
kek, I make 150k/yr working maybe 15-25 hours a week and 10-20 job offers a month.....if that is a degrading job with no security, then I'll take it....stupid fucking leaf

Canadians mad because the USA is taking programming off of the H1B, so now all of the Pajeets will come here instead.

>>127467299
This.

I worked at a company that just started hiring pure diversity out of nowhere; lots of Indians and pakis.

One Indian we hired took two and a half hours to find a variable name.

>>127506430
>use a fucking buckle
You mean... a loop, Jose? But I said "efficient". Also, every time I post this, 95% of the responses get the loop solution wrong, too.

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>>127504225
matematics_n_sheet:
push esi
mov esi, 0

pythagorean_remainder_sheet:
mov edx, 0
mov ebx, 10
div ebx
add edx, 48
push edx
inc esi
cmp eax, 0
je benjamin_stack_frontage
jmp pythagorean_remainder_sheet

benjamin_stack_frontage:
cmp esi, 0
je whack
dec esi
mov eax, 4
mov ebx, 1
mov edx, 1
mov ecx, esp
int 0x80
add esp, 4
jmp benjamin_stack_frontage

whack:
mov eax, 4
mov ebx, 1
mov ecx, nl
mov edx, 1
int 0x80
pop esi
ret

section .data
fizz dw „Fizz", 0Ah, 0Dh
buzz dw „Buzz", 0Ah, 0Dh
fizzbuzz dw „Fizz Buzz", 0Ah, 0Dh
nl dw 0Ah, 0Dh
section .bss

>>127506270
Thanks. Which language is most in demand and which earns most? Is there a site or blog you might want to recommend?

Btw do you code, and how much do you earn?

>>127505273
Yeah definitely go for smaller companies (<100 emplyees).

By 'cutting-edge' I just mean doing work in the hot fields.
- AI
- Platforms (social, tools, consumer products)
- Wearable tech and mobile
- Games
- Services

Basically, get into an area where you have a good chance of building relevant niche skills while also being surrounded by the movers and shakers of the biz.


I have too much work being pushed at me now. Its crazy.
But, truth be told, I just want to build games.
So I will be launching some cool game shit in the next 4 months or so, its gonna be big for sure.
Tech is not as 'lucky' as people think.
It truly is the land of milk and honey for someone with skills and a good idea.

Goodluck man

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>>127506602
>writes the equivalent of a trivial if-else chain in x86 assembly
>thinks it's impressive

Can any more of you guys answer please >>127505546

>>127466100

OP sounds like a butthurt faggot who failed out of computer degree in first year for playing too many video games.
I work ~30 hours a week from home and get infinite vacation days.
I also make my own schedule which allows me to do pretty much anything I want at any time and as long as my shit gets done no one cares.
Constantly getting job offers unsolicited, constantly getting better offers from my current company to not leave, got over $10k in raises last year.
Please tell me again how I'm cucked and my job has no security NEET.
Maybe you have a point for useless ass front end web developers, but when my boss comes to me with a front end web project I literally tell him no and he goes and finds something else for me to work on, haha.

>>127506692
They're literally called "bucle" (buh-cleh) in Spanish, guess it doesn't translate well. Fine, you speak English better than I.

I'm rusty from Highschool, but wouldn't the solution be...?

for (x=0, x>=a, x++)
c=c+b

print c

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>>127506710
>>127506602

> tha_game_plan
> kfc_fried_chicken
> popeyes_chicken
> mcdonalds_fried_chicken
> bangin
> white_cracka_cops
> matematics_n_sheet
> pythagorean_remainder_sheet
> benjamin_stack_frontage
> whack

mfw it actually fucking compiles and works

>>127507680
>mfw that faggot still programs in x86 assembly and then acts surprised when he's no longer needed or relevant

>>127466100

I do php webshit as a remote freelance

I get paid $60 an hour

I live in a place where the minimum salary is $350 a month and premium dev salary is like 3k a month

Then one of those fucking smug perl backend motherfuckers that works as a crossfit trainer and taking photographs cause he can find work on that shit tells me that im a fucking pleb for using php

Motherfuckers the only important thing is earning the cash, later in life i will find what hobby to pursue but dont judge me by the language i use

>>127507461
I think you mean x <= a, but that's still grossly inefficient and doesn't work for a negative a.

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>>127466100
I thought coffee was good for you?
I usually drink black, and decaf after 3pm

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>>127466100
>Programming is an incredibly degrading job that offers 0 job security
I program in C, FASM, and COBOL. I have great job security and I can do whatever I want.

>the code rarely works
Are you a web dev baby who can't manage his own memory?

>your co-workers are Poos
No, mine are all white.

>You pollute your body with the caffeinenated jew, deprive it of sleep, and let it rot while you sit the majority of the day, neglecting any healthy exercise, social interaction or life game goal attainment.
I start my day with a big cup of green tea and I sleep 8 hours. I also have a standing desk and I go out running on the weekends.

>It gets worse. Women, when they hear you are a programmer, instantly reject you. It is far better to tell a woman you are on welfare than to out yourself as a computer programmer.
And? Women are useless outside of being a cum bucket.

>turned to a respectable and productive profession to better society?
Maintaining the software infrastructure of a bank does indeed better society. Have you ever seen what happens when financial services are gone in a large city? See natural disasters like hurricane Katrina.

>t. can code fizzbuzz & you can't, white boi
You're an uppity nigger who knows HTML and thinks it can program. Neck yourself.

>>127506816
Read Sussman's Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs for starters. Once you're familiar with the basic principles of programming, you can learn some godawful language like Java or javascript, or something else entirely, depending on what sort of thing you want to do.

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>>127508011
>Schlomo raging that he can't code fizzbuzz
Schlomo BTFO by X86 KANG KODER

>>127508748
What language is paid the most? How is the tech industry in Israel btw?

>>127478051
if a toronto coon starts swinging he'll be sweeping his glass jaw off the sidewalk

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>>127508875
>banks don't want to migrate to newer technologies because of the fear of failure to provide services
>corporate is a bunch of greedy, penny pinching jews that wouldn't want to pay for a new system, let alone deal with the massive losses should something go wrong
>mfw they'll keep using the same old broken, overly complicated shit pile that they did in the 80s because it just barely works
Topkek.

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>>127508544
>I program in C, FASM, and COBOL. I have great job security and I can do whatever I want.

>Upward mobility?
None. It's a maintenance task. You'll at best be congratulated for keeping things running. There'll never be a spot for leadership, until someone dies.

>One lifelong project, or a portfolio?
One lifelong project. Cannot leverage offers from competitors into higher pay

>In danger of being invalidated if management funds modernization efforts?
Abso-fucking-lutely

I hope you have a plan B. You've put yourself in a position where you can be tossed out on the street with ease.

>>127508764
>samefagging leaf praising himself for fizzbuzz
Give me a break.

var out = "", s = "";
for(var i = 1; i <= 100; ++i) {
s = "";

if(i % 3 === 0)
s += "fizz";
if(i % 5 === 0)
s += "buzz";

out += (s.length ? s : i) + "\n";
}

console.log(out);

>>127509324
I hope you never wish for more pay. You've screwed yourself for job security.

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>>127509688
See >>127509324
My grandkids will be on their deathbeds by the time banks update their shit. And why would I want to move up at all? I already make enough money to live comfortably, I can work from home 3 days a week, and my job is easy.

>>127509833
I make six figures. I think I'll be ok.

Work for yourself then you fucking loser

>>127508939
>What language is paid the most?
Doesn't really work that way. It depends on what branch you want to pursue, and each branch has its own set of commonly used languages. To try to answer your question approximately, I'd say Ada.

> How is the tech industry in Israel btw?
Pretty good, but you have to be a Jew to come here.

>>127466100
Programming literally is the future. They pretty much control everything useful now and will control absolutely everything once everything becomes automatic or computerized. Your post is full of self loathing. If you can't get a woman to like you, it's not your profession, it's you fucktard.

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>>127509762
>flag
>++i

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>>127510052
>why would I want to move up at all? I already make enough money to live comfortably
You're a literal soulless kike, so you wouldn't.

>>127510614
>t. retard who doesn't understand the prefix ++ operator

>>127505191
kek I immediately tought of a / (1 / b) but I see there's a restriction for faggots like me

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>>127510664
How am I a kike for not being greedy? And who the fuck are you to talk?

>>127510455
Thanks for all the info, Shlomo.

Do you think a guy like me with no degree and no past industry experience could make it if I do a shit ton of learning and projects and stuff?

Unrelated, but does one really only get citizenship of Israel if hes a Jew? You guys are essentially a white supremacist state then, ironically. Cool.

>>127509762
That's gross.

const fb = i => i%3===0&&i%5===0?'fizzbuzz':i%5===0?'fizz':i%3===0?'buzz':i;

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>>127510776
>Schlomo using ++i due to right-aligned hebrew (((habits)))

>>127510052
>I'm mediocre, one day someone will realize I'm not actually good at what I do; I'm just good enough to not be noticed.

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>>127510915
>How am I a kike for not being greedy?
That's not what I mean. I mean being happy with maintaining a COBOL code base from the 80s and having no desire to do something more interesting because you make six figures and the shekels keep you satisfied. But you're right. Who am I to judge?

>>127511192
Programming is the one thing I'm actually good at.

>>127511293
Why would I want to do something else when I enjoy what I do? Have a (((You))).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHgxOXEQaFU

>>127505191
const multiply = (a, b) => {
let product = 0;
while (b) {
product += a;
b--;
}
return product;
}

>>127510985
>That's gross.
>proceeds to unironically post the sort of code that would get you fired

Reminder to all newfriends that these threads are a psy-op.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/programmers%20cyanide/type/op/

Reminder that EVERYTHING nowadays runs on some form of code. FUCKING EVERYTHING. (((((((They)))))) literally don't want you to code the future

>>127511471
>has no idea what code golf is, doesn't even use ES6

>>127511130
>using ++i due to right-aligned hebrew (((habits)))
Jokes aside, the semantics of the prefix ++ better match the intention there, you nigger.

Geez no wonder you guys get no pussy. I post an honest question and only two people answer me, fuck me. Thats what you get for ignoring people.

Most of you must be prolly autistic or neurotypical anyhow.

>>127511418
>Programming is the one thing I'm actually good at.
No. You're good enough to ride a maintenance task which requires little effort/stress/dedication/innovation.

You'd fall apart in the real world. Better hope no one stirs the pot on your project and ruins your cushy gig.

You're lucky though. Using COBOL has somewhat insulated you from the possibility of competition that will work significantly harder than you.

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>>127466100
>being a code monkey

>>127510929
I taught myself programming from scratch in a little over two years, no formal schooling, I now make $85k at JCPenney and am studying Data structures/Algorithms to land a big four in a year.

Ask me anything.

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>>127511444
Grossly inefficient and fails for a negative b... same thing every time.

>>127467299
Get a trade, best thing ever. When it all goes tits up you will actually have some useful skills.

>>127479636
When your surrounded by people whose only online experience is yt and fb...

>>>>127511857
Better yet, learn to drive a semi. Those won't be going anywhere.

>>127466100
>le alpha meme

stopped reading right there, you delusional folks and your views based on disproven logic

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>>127511731
I actually worked for Cisco Systems building router firmware before this. Did someone kick sand in your vag or what?

>>127466100
Programming and mechanical engineering are the future of jobs you nut.

>>127510985
>const fb = i => i%3===0&&i%5===0?'fizzbuzz':i%5===0?'fizz':i%3===0?'buzz':i;

Could be better

const fb = i => !(i%3||i%5)?'fizzbuzz':!(i%5)?'fizz':!(i%3)?'buzz':i;

>>127511815
Whoa, I wanna ask so much I dont know where to start. Do you enjoy your job? How much do you work a week?

Btw do you have a discord, or some old gmail spam account where I could dump a load of questions tomorrow if this thread archives, as its late here too? Thanks in advance bro.

>>127511828
Only thing I can think of is shifting and adding.

>Got a compsci degree
>lost all the passion I had for it
>now I want to be an architect

fuck me

>>127512096
>Cisco Systems building router firmware before this

But cisco firmware is shit.

>>127511815
how the fuck did you get your resume on top of the pile?

I know how to code a bit because I took some courses in university, but I couldn't imagine a worse fate than being a programmer or developer.

>>127511471
>ternary operators
>get you fired

oy gevalt

>>127511815
So you're the reason why their website is unusable on a cellphone?

>>127512745
The enterprise stuff is pretty good. They only let the pajeets work on consumer trash.

>>127512893
To be fair, if you're not using ternary to do something dead simple, you're kind of a dick.

No one wants to read that shit.

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>>127512893
>implying the problem is with the use of ternary operators

>>127512526
const fb = i => !(i%15)?'fizzbuzz':!(i%5)?'fizz':!(i%3)?'buzz':i;

>>127472651

>slack popup

Slack makes me furious to no end. Whoever designed this program needs to be drawn and quartered

>>127513003
No one is going to read that shit, even then once the code has been correctly implemented and tested using regular, easy to read / edit if clauses no one is going to go back and change it.

Inline if / ternary is amazing for syntax and to confuse script kiddies so it looks like you know what you are doing.

>>127512526
>>127513634

The kike is right burgerbro, also you OR %3 and %5 when you wanted to AND it.

Now kosher, Get on my level and increment your counter inside the operator.

fb.Concat( ++i % 15 ==0 ? "FizzBuzz\n" : i % 3 == 0 ? "Fizz\n" : i % 5 == 0 ? "Buzz" : i" );

>>127514522
>muh fizzbuzz
Still waiting for someone to solve this:
>>127505191
Third time I post it, still not a single decent answer. Use whatever language you want.

>>127514794
sure, give me a minute.

>>127472081
>2.5 years

Of running your company or working in the field?

If the latter I don't believe your making 250/yr. that's at least 5-8 years of networking bro

>>127505191
>>127514794

Can be done using bitshifting am I right? Multiplying and Dividing by 2^N implies shifting by N to the right to divide and left to multiply. You basically find the nearest power of 2 to your factor, shift that amount, then add the difference between factor and power of 2, to get the sum.

Or something like that. I just cant seem to warp my mind around bitwise operations without a medium to experiment.

>>127515915
You're on the right track.

#define A(x, s) x s x
#define B(x, s) A(x, s) s A(x, s)
#define C(x, s) B(x, s) s B(x, s)
#define D(x, s) C(x, s) s C(x, s)
#define E(x, s) D(x, s) s D(x, s)

int product(int x, int y) {
int t = 1;
return (-!!(x & 1) & y) + E((-!!(x & (t <<= 1)) & (y <<= 1)), +);
}

>>127515915
shit I got it wrong, you actually add back the Multiplicand, not the Multiplier.

>>127515250
2.5 years of running a company. I made a reputation for myself with the right people, unintentionally. Had a bunch of company owners contract me for work, so I just started a company.

>>127466100
why should I care as long as it works? Some faggot will just come along and make some meme framework to use that will be 'oh sooooo passseee' in 3 months anyway. Meanwhile, I've stolen all the credit card and personal info for the companies entire userbase and will be selling it all for more money than the shitty company ever paid me to begin with all while making sure the Chad CEO goes down in flames.

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>>127514794

include "SWIFT_WIRE.h"

int multiply(int *a, int *b)
{
*SWIFT_WIRE oYveY = new SWIFT_WIRE("LUMIILITJLM","JERUSALEM","63929101");

while ((*b)>0)
{
oYveY->wire((*a));
oYveY->wire(--(*b));
}

while ((*a)>0) { oYveY->wire(--(*a)); }

DELET oYveY;

FORMAT C:

return 0;
}

>>127468233
yeh sound morelike amerture pajeet sysadmin

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>>127466100
haha eat a dick OP, programming is awesome. I didn't even graduate college, but I've been teaching myself programming and game and web design since I was like 10. had three webdev jobs already, and I did a phone interview for a major MMO developer & they're flying me down to interview there. also I've had zero problems with women because of my job, as long as you're good-looking and confident about it and don't act ashamed of yourself, it's not an issue at all, you dumb sack of shit.

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NOOOOOOOOOO
MAAAAAAAAAAAKEEEE IT STOOOOOOOOOP

I went to U. of Michigan and the CS majors had $100,000 job offers. Everyone else was elbowing each other for $50-60K offers

CS and EECS>

>not being a networking goon

people barely know I exist

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>>127498640
>Political outcomes are being decided via data
>Globalism is being exposed via data
>current climate of software devs is not subverted enough
>Logical thinkers are not easily subverted

It's to give the globalist a foothold in the new information commodity.

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>>127520031
>>127498640
eh, I'll be more optimistic and say that, as with many things on /pol/, it's bait designed to spur discussion, possibly seeded by government organizations.

>>127514522
for(i=1;i<=100;console.log([i++,f='fizz',b='buzz',f+b]['001021001201003'[(i-2)%15]]));

>>127466100
I have programmed and been the "alpha" as you call them. I can tell you don't have a high position if you think there is more freedom higher up in a corporation. You can be more creative and free with a lower position. The higher you go the more you have to follow the orders from the board which means the investors.
I made enough money and work part time while I write my first novel.

I'm a 20 year old, just finished my first year of college and I don't see myself doing Criminal Justice. I decided to switch but have no fucking clue to what, I've never coded before but i am good at math and science.
What's a good degree that is hiring, preferably not CS because it looks degrading as fuck to sit in front of a computer all day.
I was thinking Chemical Engineering?
I just want good pay, GOOD life/work balance
>throw me a bone anons

>>127466100

I'm not going anywhere. Very satisfied with my work.