Why do Conservapoors vote against their own economic interests?

because fuck libtards amirite

Because they think coprorations have their best interests

>>127459421
>only economic interests matter

>>127459421
Because economic interests=/=all interests

>>127459421
Capitalism
>Some people are poor
>Most people are middle class
>Some people are rich
>Economic Freedom

Socialism
>Almost everyone's poor
>No one's middle class
>Politicians are rich as hell
>No economic freedom
>Corrupt assholes in government control your wages, benefits, and taxes

>>127459421
Millionaire actors do, too. ? Who cares

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>>127459421
Dey be stubid duh

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>>127459421
They don't, you dumb nigger.

>>127459421
Dignity. Handouts from the rich (i.e. taxing them) is accepting state control and giving up our natural responsibilities in life. We'd rather not, thanks. We've seen what it does to you liberal brainwashed types and it looks super gross. Personally, I'd rather starve than allow a bunch of purple haired bitches with red tapped nipples as shirts decide what's good for me and my family.

>>127462068
Provo Utah is literally a meth infested Mormon shithole. Logan is way better. KYS

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>>127462068
Literally their logo. KYS

>>127459421

Socialism is in nobody's best interest.

>>127459421
make the world ancap again and there will be no more nigger&"progressive" problems except burial

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>>127462229
Why do canacucks think they know about USA? Keep sucking AIDS dick, retard faggot

>>127459421
Because they're fucking stupid and are subhumans who think being a wagecuck makes them a "real man" when it just makes them useful idiots who are otherwise worthless. Cuckservatives are as bad as liberals.

>>127462068
Are you guys really so stupid that you think Detroit collapsed for either racial or political reasons?

It was the industrial backbone of USA. Domestic manufacturing collapsed, and the city whose economy collapsed with it.

It didn't collapse because people were black or Democrats. It collapsed because shipping got cheap, and airplanes and the internet exist.

No number of Republicans and White people could have done a damned thing to save it.

not giving the rich tax cuts isnt going to make you rich
giving tax cuts to the poor isnt going to make them rich
it doesnt really matter one way or the other

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>>127462545
Oh look a civic nationalist cuck.
>muh racist democrats
>sucks lincoln's dick for destroying the south
Go bad to reddit

>>127461449
that's why you need mix economy

>>127463084
Actually it will. Poverty is a relative measure. Income inequality is the root cause of poverty in the USA.

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>>127463003
Doubtful, nigger. All democrat cities are fucked

>>127462398
National Socialism is. It is Racial Socialism.

>>127459421
why do niggers vote democrat against their own interests?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-FqtAOSB8

>>127463208
Silicon Valley is the USA's powerhouse. Los Angeles and New York are the USA's culture.

There are only Democrat cities. The rest of the country is irrelevant.

>>127459421
how is it going against my own economic interests? I respect the billionaires, they worked hard to get where they are. Expecting them to pay a higher percentage of taxes is akin to accepting stolen goods. Lower tax rates for the wealthy is a good thing; if I was wealthy I'd want to pay less tax too, wouldn't you? Or are you just an eternally broke nigger who wants the rich to fund your gibmes? goddamn libshit demcucks I swear to god.

>>127461449
>Not taking into account racial politics
>Not taking into account automation

Fucking moron.

>>127463432
Very-nearly each billionaire on the planet was born into it.

The few that weren't are computer developers.

>>127460459
Whereas Clinton folk thought celebrities has their self interests.

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>>127463411
LOL LA and NY are shitskin infested hellholes, you dumb nigger.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/politics/sdut-welfare-capital-of-the-us-2012jul28-htmlstory.html

>>127463361
Because niggers are tribal and racially motivated, also Democraps increase welfare programs for niggers.

>>127463153
You're a fucking retard if you think you need to mix some socialism into capitalism.

>>127463003
Eliminating the unions would have been a start

>>127463003
Ok then why are the suburbs fine

>>127461449
Idiot wagecuck

Its simple...Reagan started this trend that Ideology is more important than Facts... that's why all the state's that voted for trump are going to get hit the worst.. he's cutting a lot of programs that lower and middle class white America . And all the libtard state's like California will be fine because of marijuana taxes.. literally over 100 billion annually

>>127463721
It's actually a good idea and the main tenet of economic Fascism.

>>127463153
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot mix economy.
>Half of people are poor
>Some people are middle class
>Few people are rich
>Poor no longer work cause benefits pay more
>Middle class pays for able-bodied, working age poor people to do nothing all day
>Rich people pay democrats to enforce corporate state and pay no taxes.
>Still no economic freedom
>Probably less political freedom aswell

>>127463685
>also Democraps increase welfare programs for niggers.
you did not watch the video. the welfare programs are literally what is Keeping the Black Man Down

>>127463551

Automation is not an excuse to become a jobless neet.

>>127463935
Having more gib dats shouldn't be and that's what it will come down to

>>127463685

White people on welfare blows a hole in that.

>>127463003
>could have done a damned thing
How about tariffs on Toyotas in the 70's when we actually had a chance to preserve US auto manufacturing you dumb fuck?

>>127463914
>more government helps people

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>>127463721
Why not?
The US is a mixed economy
it keeps balance and help to prevent things like monopoly

>>127463557
ok, so? if they were born into it then it means their ancestors worked hard to accumulate that money. Those ancestors didn't work hard so that their descendants could piss it away in taxes to fund libshit demcuck gimedats.

I'll say it again, lowering taxes on the rich is a good thing. If you legitimately want them to pay more taxes then you're admitting you're willing to accept stolen goods you didn't work for or deserve.

>>127463834
Idiot wagecuck. Unions did not cause outsourcing.

>>127464237
Name one reason why we need a social safety net

>>127463721
I think public healthcare (while privates can exist alongside and with raised spending for it) and public education are a good thing.

>>127459421
Because Libtards want them dead.

>>127463721
You're a fucking retard if you think socialism and capitalism can be mixed: they are eachother's antithesis.

>>127464237
The government doesn't prevent monopolies and they only use antitrust laws to bully successful businesses into giving them more money (see Microsoft). Anti trust laws do more harm than good, the origin of the word monopoly came from a government granted exclusivity. Monopolies didn't exist before the government.

>>127464360
Unions supported inflation witch is the main cause of outsourcing

>>127463980
Actually it is, because automation will take over all sectors of the economy eventually, and no one will be able to live without Basic Income. We are headed for a NEET singularity. Also without the taxation of automated companies and Basic Income, NBI or RBI (National Basic Income/Racial Basic Income,) the economy will collapse because no one can purchase goods or services from any sector of the economy. Without NBI/RBI it will halt the economy.

>>127464438
Which is why both conservatards and libtards need to go.

Only socialism will provide americans with salvation.

>>127464109
Most welfare recipients are non-Whites.

>>127464550
No, the main source of outsourcing was that labor in other countries was hellishly cheaper, disregarding even inflation.

>>127464484
Thesis, antithesis, synthesis

>>127464584
>Actually it is, because automation will take over all sectors of the economy eventually,
Stop reading marxist fan fiction

>>127464433
Public education is where leftist indoctrination begins. It's the first that needs to go.

>>127463660
I live in LA.. it's thriving. Plus trump cut budgets for sanctuary cities. .but California laughed at him because we have legal marijuana and have more than enough state money to fund all the new budget cuts..plus a lot construction is going on in the next 20 years.. I'm neither a libtard or cuckservative..the numbers don't lie.. trump state's are going to suffer especially from the SNAP program a lot of working class white people depend on food stamps to make ends meet..

But u don't understand your probably not even an adult or pay your own bills lol

>>127464694
Inflation is what made it cheaper

>>127464787
>I live in LA.. it's thriving
When was the last time you went down to skid row

>>127459421
Because billionaires and millionaires create jobs and prosperity. Give me dats dont.

>>127464286

Every republican thinks they're going to get rich tomorrow and vote against their best intrests today. Can't afford healthcare? Medicaid cut? Social Security gone? Fuck you. Hurry and up and get rich.

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>>127464787
Oh you didn't read the article did you?

California (overwhelmingly democrat): 10 percent of nation's population, 30 percent of welfare cases

Learn to read, nigger spic faggot shit-for-brains

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>>127459421
>1 post by this ID
Why do they vote against their own racial interests?

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Companies will not manufacture products in Nations with high taxes, it's pretty simple economics and everyone here is bitching about stupidity.

Do you want a decent paying job or welfare?

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>>127463721
You can mix them. See you as an American grew up with a 2 party system, thinking everything is black or white, wrong or right.

You can be socialistic by distribute wealth by taxing the rich (who got a lot of money anyway) and spend it on education, infrastructure, healthcare and thus creating job for teachers, constructionworkers and nurses etc. Also with education you can evolve as country in general. Life is not a sprint brother, it's a marathon.

>But but muh incentive to work harder and niggers on welfare etc.

Well a complete socialistic country is indeed horrible. But a complete capitalistic country is horrible too. I rather live in a country which provides acces to healthcare, good education and a good standard of living.

In my country I don't go broke if i get cancer, my own risk is 375, college is very affordable and if I lose my job i don't get kicked out of my house.

>but but freeloaders just work harder bla bla bla

A cleaner works hard too! And if you look at the bell curve of IQ you see that roughly 50% is below average meaning that they cannot get high education simply because their brains cannot handle it. But they need a decent living too! Imagine if you were born with an IQ of 90.

>wow good points anon. anything else?

Imagine you are behind a door before entering the world you are going to live in. You don't know wether you are going to be born rich or poor, healthy or disabled, smart or stupid. What kind of country would you like to live in, knowing there is a chance you get born in the ghetto or in a billionaires senpai. Food for thought

>>127464767
No, just remove meme classes like psychology, sociology and stuff like that.
Again, I come from another country so we have separate issues.
We have a professor openly praising Ustasha movement, teacher saying how gays are mentally ill etc.
We should just keep ideological stuff aside and teach STEM stuff.

>>127464948
Why was I forced to pay into SS in the first place

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>>127464751
Maybe you're jyst fucking stupid, feeble minded cuckservative, I am a National Socialist, nit a Marxist.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SBJUUhzMi4Q

>>127464942
Skid row is a street in downtown LA. It's not the entire population living down there.. those are mentally ill people. Nice try tho kid

>>127465193
Just* not*

>>127464584

>get the rich to make shit
>force them to pay high tax
>give tax money to people to buy shit
>rich no longer exist
>rich no longer make shit

That's only on the money side. With no incentive to support the technical side, we may as well go back to the wilderness.

>>127459421
>Trump promises to give the rich tax breaks if they hire and support US workers
>Trump promises to punish the rich if they move overseas
>US workers vote for Trump

the left needs new memes
this isn't 2012 with Romney
Trump didn't win because of the "conservative" vote but because white working class Democrats in MI, WI and PA

>>127464948
I think Republicans are just more realistic and generally more comfortable without having such an extensive safety net compared to what Democrats want. In a perfect world there'd be a safety net covering everything, but in reality that safety net requires funding that many people aren't interested in paying for. Maybe it's short sighted, especially if you turn out to be an individual who would have ended up benefiting from that safety net, but then you're just as likely to never need it either, in which case the taxes you paid towards it would have been a waste of your money in relation to your own individual benefits.

I guess it comes down to how much you care about helping your countrymen. Personally I prefer the individualistic approach, help yourself, let others worry about themselves, work hard and try your best to prosper.

>>127461449
except in reality we have

socialism for the rich
>most people are poor
>some are middle class
>very few are rich and have a huge proportion of total wealth available
>economic freedom for the rich and limited options for all else

BTW you're also wrong about socialism

a better description would be

>almost everyone is middle class
>some are poor, some are rich
>politicians are middle class
>economic freedom but some regulations on financial markets/banks
>corruption is endemic in all systems, not higher within socialism intrinsically.

>>127465193
There is unlimited demand foe labor at the right price
The automation problem can easily be solved by deflation

>>127463003
You're retarded and don't live near Detroit like I do. A mix of LBJ policies and racial tensions drove the economy into the shitter and then whites left after the 60's riots. After that Detroit has had a long string of black, democrat, corrupt mayors and councilmen.
Detroit is, thanks to LBJ policies, the most socialist city in the country and has been for over 50 years. I repeat, I live near the city, I've tried to do business in the city and the corruption is South American tier. It'd be Africa tier if it weren't for the state and federal govt constantly bailing it out and reigning it in from the worst excesses.

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>>127463133
no this is my website now white boi

>>127465399
why do people think that taxing the rich will remove them from society? it's not true, they may leave the country but they will still want to run corporations in countries and they can pay in corporation tax.

>>127465399
Why do you assume only the rich can produce for society? Companies and especially the workers produce, economic class doesn't have much to do with production of goods and services. You cuckservatives are stupid, if you have a skill, you can produce, there are plenty of skilless or low skilled wealthy individuals who are only rich because their parents and families. My grandpa was a multi-millionaire electritian, bug my only skill is C++ programming and I'm poor.

>>127465151
The problem isn't exclusive to colleges with nothing degrees. It stems from the schooling from childhood.
Michael Malice is spot fucking on here:
https://youtu.be/j4MQP8jnJwU?t=25m46s

>>127465155


So the losers in this whole republican pyramid scheme who can't work their shit jobs anymore and who's savings went out the window to cover their medical bills for busting their asses on their shit jobs wouldn't go completely under.

>>127465925
Their parents and families are rich*

>muh guns
>muh abortion
>muh freedums

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>>127465290
>marxist education

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Here's a nice video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ

I like this one cause it's catchy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc

>>127465983
>republican pyramid scheme
SS was a democratic creation

>>127465545

Wait till that healthcare bill passes and cuts billions from medicaid. Trump just one termed himself.

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>>127465124
>a complete capitalistic country is horrible too
wrong

>rather live in a country which provides access to healthcare, good education, and a good standard of living
None of this requires socialism

>I don't go broke if I get cancer
What is charity?

>college is very affordable and if I loose my job i don't get kicked out of my house
Weakens the value of a college degree and less homes will be supplied

>>127466316
People on medicaid dont vote republican

>>127465654
Yeah just be cheaper than the machine, idiot.

>>127465745
(cont:) More directly to your point however, American manufacturing didn't fully collapse in the greater Detroit area until the 90's thanks to NATO. There were still a large number of manufacturing in the area up until the early 2000's, and Detroit had been long dead since before then.
You'd know this if you lived here and saw it all happen; but you don't and you'll just regurgitate whatever your Marxist teachers tell you. They know Detroit is the smoking gun for their leftist policies, and that's why the story of Detroit is (seemingly) so hard to figure out to you outsiders.

>>127466402
> old people don't vote republican

Retard

>>127466514
That's medicare

>>127466411
Yes
Also people pay a premium for hand crafted crap becuase of the status it gives them

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>>127466079
You're making yourself look stupid mongrel, National Socialism isn't Marxism. One Socialism is not limited by race and is Globalist (Marxism) and the other Socialism limits itself to ethnic or racial boundries (National Socialism,) I am a National Socialist not a Marxist.

>>127465930
Just remove ideological aspects of it and it's good man.
Homeschooling is by far the worst option because I couldn't teach my son for chemistry or history for shit for example.

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>>127463003
>>Are you guys really so stupid that you think Detroit collapsed for either racial or political reasons?
>90% of the population is black
>literally a corrupted shithole
It really makes you think

>>127466402

This Trump supporter did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I3KGq1V9Q0

>>127466667
>posts forced meme
>wants to be taken seriously

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>>127463193
>Poverty is a relative measure.
Yes, expenses being the same, the person making $20k a year has more wealth than the person that makes $18k, but they are both under the poverty line (in america 2010) and can't compete with someone that makes as little as $50k or let alone someone with a 6 figure income. even if you dont tax those in poverty at all and tax the better offs as high as 30% they still wont be on equal footing.

>Income inequality is the root cause of poverty in the USA.
which has next to nothing to do with taxes and, in all honesty, isnt a real thing. different jobs pay different amounts. should some jobs pay more and others pay less? yes, but it is what it is. instead of worrying about personal income tax, you should find a way to make better paying jobs for the poorly educated or giving them the skills need to get a higher paying job. thats how you fight poverty.

>>127459421
Conservatives vote for principles that are in everyone's interests. Some people value virtue higher than "free" money.

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>>127465925
>My grandpa was a multi-millionaire electritian, bug my only skill is C++ programming and I'm poor.

Are you saying that electricians are unskilled or that C++ programmers are skilled? I disagree in either case.

>>127466824
It's inherent to the beast. The teachers have it in their best interest to advocate for more state control.

Homeschooling easy as fuck now with the internet. You can easily access teaching assistance for whatever you want. Ron Paul even has a homeschooling curriculum that teaches a shit load more than public schools and won't indoctrinate your kids.

>>127459421
Move out of your parents basement and start paying taxes. Tax cuts benefit everyone. Obviously a percentage saving of a large number will have a greater numerical value than the same percentage saving of a smaller number. How is that so hard to understand?

>>127466857
Why is that guy talking as if he has already lost benefits though? So far any cuts are only proposals, aren't they? So then he's speaking hypothetically as in "if these cuts go through, then I will feel regrets about my vote" but the segment is framing it as if the cuts have gone through and the interviewee has been devastated by them. Or am I misunderstanding?

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>>127459421

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>>127460371
YES, AFTER 8 YEARS OF BEING IN POWER LIBERALS HAVE BECOME SO VILE AND IN YOUR FACE WITH THE MOST PUBLICIZED SUPREME COURT CASE BEING ABOUT TRANNY BATHROOMS THAT MANY DRUMPFSTERS VOTED AGAINST THEIR OWN ECONOMIC INTEREST JUST TO SPITE THEM

LET THAT SINK IN SHITLIBS

>>127461449

yeah, why are republicans so god damn socialist

>>127466857
Hillary would be just as bad but yeah, Trump is the most vile of snakes, absolute backstabber who did a 180 on us.

>>127467232

That bill is going to pass and Trump is a fucking scumbag for it.

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>>127467126
>electrician
>Multi millionaire

How the fuck does that work

>>127467132
And what would we do with young earth creationists?
I feel like homeschooling does more harm than good.

>>127459421
i didnt vote for tax cuts. i voted because of unchecked illegal immigration, healthcare and against the muslim migration

>>127467510
Yea, how's that Healthcare working out?

>>127467510
>healthcare

what healthcare

>>127459421
Liberal retards "Republicans are all rich white males"

Also liberals "Republicans are all poor retards"

>>127467126
I'm saying my grandpa can produce goods services, but so can I because of our skillsets, regardless of our economic statuses. You said only the rich can produce goods or services, that's not true. You don't need a rich capitalist elite to produce goods and services for the various economic sectors, just skilled educated people. Wealth is not a factor.

>>127463721
It works well in Scandinavia I suppose it wouldn't in 65% Murica

>>127467461
>GETTING A ROBOT TO WIRE AN OFFICE BUILDING

THE SKILLED TRADES THAT ARE REQUIRED ON SITE WILL STILL HAVE JOBS AFTER 5RUPEE/HR PAJEET TAKES OVER ALL THE PROGRAMMING JOBS VIA FIBER LINK FROM BANGLADESH

>>127467364

Bu bu Trump is different! He's not a politician and paid for his own campaign!!!

>>127461449
So national socialism didn't work, is that what you're getting at? This is clearly not what happened in Hitler's Germany

>>127467655
Goods and* services

>>127467510
Unchecked illegal immigration isn't a real thing, even the few you think they are referring to is real, they still have e to pay taxes, it's a "read meat thing they through at you to get you fired up.
They still pay sales tax, registration fees, buying a home, or car, they still pay into the system

>>127463721
There is no pure capitalist country out there.

>>127467461
lots of trades can make you rich as fuck

I knew an electrician who worked in Alberta during the oil boom and he was making something like $150/hour+ 12 hours per day, he's a millionaire

I know another guy who does underwater welding and makes $400-1000/hour depending on jobsite

>>127467754
False, putin paid,
https://youtu.be/LEBPlRlCdW0

>>127463208
Wrong. Seattle and other NW cities are good.

>>127467868
>they still have e to pay taxes
>get free gibs from tax dollars
>pay "taxes" on tax-dollar gibs
how about fucking off, shill?

>>127460371
>raise taxes on rich and companies
>they respond by raising price of gas, food, cars, and other things
>poor people now have to pay the "tax in the rich" by paying higher prices at the store.
>HURRR WHY DO REPOOBLICUNS VOTE FOR LESS TAXES AND SMALLER GUBERMENTS! DONT THEY WANT MO' GIBS AND MO' MONEY FO' DEM PROGRAMS?


No. Fuck off commie.

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>>127459421
>he doesn't understand the Laffer Curve

>>127465654
Sure but what happens when A machine is so cheap it does your job for 10 dollars a day? You gonna work for 10 dollars a day?

>>127467868
>illegals drive down wages for everybody
>asks for gibs in sanctuary cities
>make neigbourhoods they live in more unsafe

>>127468103

>companies hold you hostage
>somehow its governments fault

smart

>>127467750
Androids can evetually do this, then crawl up into their closet space until the next job call.

https://youtu.be/1eNbds7Mt4M

>>127465240
Fuck off. I've lived in Chicago for 8 years and currently in my 4th year in LA.

Skid row is the most iconic image of it, but homelessness is EVERYWHERE in this fucking city. You cannot go half a mile in any direction without seeing tents set up on the sidewalk, or at the very least, a cardboard shanty.

The only places that hide it are the rich white neighborhoods on the west side. Funny how the ones demanding sympathy for the poor are the ones aggressively rounding them up and booting them to the east side, huh?

>>127467509
I agree m8 public schooling with a focus on STEM is the way to go. If you cant handle high level maths AKA a brainlet you should get a trade not wasting time studying business

>>127465629
How is it possible to be so delusional

Literally nothing in your post is even remotely grounded in reality

>>127459421
Because they care more about morality than about self-benefit.

>>127467655

Right but I did mention the technical side above. If you're given a choice between jobless neet and upskilling into a useful market, people will go for the jobless neet option. The people in the technical roles will ultimately become slaves to the people that just don't want to work.
Stagnation of technical roles would be the nail in the coffin for relying on automation.

>>127468092
No one gets any government gibs unless they register, and they can't do that without birth certificates, social security cards, then wait to see. Even if you try and count all the gibs that you think exist. They still pay taxes. Think of it this way.. If all these gibs existed they wouldn't have houses. The government has no problem kicking people to or on the streets.

>>127468436
>what is Venezuela, right now

>>127467509
If parents want their kids to learn creationist science more power to them.

>>127467743
Scandinavian countries pay half their income in taxes and a new car is unobtainabley expensive. They're not as great as they're made out to be.

>>127467902
Your point?

>>127459421
Why are DNC still threads so obvious and ineffective? If anything this thread makes me like Trump more, knowing he's such a threat to you regressive faggots.

Saged

>>127468281
Please go back to high school

>>127468500
>and they can't do that without birth certificates, social security cards, then wait to see
nigger you are dumb as fuck

fuck off, shill

>>127459421
Retarded lower IQ. Because if you tax billionaires more, they will raise the prices and eventually we will pay his taxes.

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>>127459421
>ignoring immigration
>ignoring the democrats anti white rhetoric
>assuming socialist policies are best for working class people

>>127468335
MAYBE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION WHERE THE ELECTRICAL RACEWAYS ARE ALL CADDED OUT FOR THEM, AND WAY DOWN THE LINE AT MUCH HIGHER COST THAN A HUMAN

ONSITE SKILLED TRADES WILL BE THE LAST JOBS AUTOMATED

>>127468223
You're thinking of Mexicans you fucktard, not all races do that. Face it. They fees on your racism so they can get you to vote your own rights away by pointing at them and saying. Oh look at them stealing! We need to vote their rights away. Meanwhile you don't even realize that bills can't be passed based off of race religion. So have fun with that

>>127468484
You must be some kind of self-obsessing retard who loves to hear themself talk, potato nigger, because I was talking about automation and you are not staying consistent with the conversation flow.

>>127468516
Honestly bud, stop pointing out shit hole non-white nations as examples. At least fucking use the white nations you think are shit holes. All the European nations that lean more towards socialism have a great quality of life, lower crime rates etc. I could go on.

>>127468179
Get a job a machine can't do

>>127468517
Every country operates under a mixed model to some degree. There has developed a need to prop up certain things with government and if people took it away then it would cause problems. That being said I agree that I want to never be anywhere near the socialist side of the mixed spectrum.

>>127463003

>Democratic unions and taxes made the company move to a place where cost of business was cheaper

Hmm..

>>127468613

not an argument

>>127459421
Because I've never been hired by a poor person

>>127468764
Androids will replace them. A mobile form of AI

>>127459421
Stealing money from other people just because someone is poor is immoral.

>>127468702
So your solution is to what? Why not tax billionaires 0 dollars then you have to pay nothing? Honestly just follow your own thought process a bit bud.

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>>127459421

>Faggot with the mind of a 4y.o. wonders why not everyone's economic interests align with free gibs from the state

>>127468695
Didn't mean to hurt your feelings special snowflake.

Don't be mad at me. Be mad at your politicians >>127468695

>>127468782

Republicans love to fear monger. They have their base figured out. Illegals Muslims Terrorists! Oh MY!

>>127468179
That is what deflation is for

>This edgy teen who just read Milton ((Friedman)) and thinks he's an Economics PhD

>>127469018
There is nothing that the government does that wouldn't be performed more efficiently on the free market.

>>127468882
That's a legit solution. but what happens when they can do all jobs? Or even if you think that's impossible (It isn't) but what happens when every single driving, manual labour, accounting etc. job is gone. And there are like 1 million jobs in a 45 million people country?

>>127465629
You sound like one of those idiotic idealists who thinks "Socialism is good but the people who do it are retards or do it wrong". BAKA.

>>127461449
This.

>>127459421
It is simple. Because the Corporate Tax in America is so high (2nd highest in the world actually, behind France with 39.6%), corporations offshore their business to places like China or India so they can get less labor and take advantage of reduced taxation.

If Corporations have a tax reduction and tariffs are placed, they would be forced to stay in America for profit and they will more likely invest in the country to make more jobs happen.

Ideally this should work. Capitalism isn't perfect (Crony Capitalism, Controlled Markets and Corporatism are the biggest weaknesses in this network) but it is leagues better than Socialism or Communism would ever produce.

You know what billionaires want too? Open borders for cheap labor, and you lefty douchbags are playing right into their hands.

>>127469040
>>127469108
What about automation? What happens when the machines take over and there aren't enough jobs for everyone?

>>127469174
>snowflake
fuck off, shill

>>127468882
Doesn't exist, because a machine can perform any operation a human can do.

>>127469204
Do you think that Islam isn't a real problem?

And do you think the Democrats don't do the same fear mongering with Russia, inequality, racism, etc.?

>>127468821

Right, automation is magic and just werks. Free money for all.

>>127469351
They will never be able to do all jobs
Why do people pay a premium for live music when the sound quality of digital music is superior

>>127469433

So we're playing right into Trump's hands?

>>127468223
Also let me point this out. Say we kick all them out . Yay!
Ask yourself this.. What do you think will happen? Will the curruption stop?
Do you think they will be generous and give you everything they voted back to you? Because I never hear them say that.

>>127469522
Pretty much dumb ass.

>>127468782
All illegal economic immigrants are like this, you fucking hippie. They are nothing but unskilled and cheap labor. What happens when millions of illegals come to your country? Wages are driven down because companies can hire illegals to do that low skilled job, or threaten a citizen to sack him if they don't accept lower wages; those who become unemployed increase the unemployment rate of the country; the rest of the companies see the unemployment rate and start strongarming their employees for lower wages and the latter have to concede because of the fear of getting fired due to the high unemployment rate. And everything falls like a domino.

If you believe an illegal does not get gibs, you are still too green

>>127459421
because economics is secondary to culture

>>127459421
>Implying you know what their interests are.

I'm so smart and know what everyone's interests are, also I know how much money people make by what they drive and how big their house is- (((you)))

>>127469241
Dude, I can only imagine you aren't understanding what I'm saying or you don't understand economy. Let me simplify the concept so we can get to a level that we can make ground. What happens when it is cheaper to buy the electricity for your machine then it is to buy food for a person working for you?

>>127469070
AN AI DRIVEN ANDROID THAT CAN IMPROVISE MOTION AND ARTICULATE FINGERS EQUAL TO A HUMAN AT HUMAN SPEED IS DECADES OFF AND WILL BE HUGELY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN PAYING A WAGE TO A TRAINED MEATBAG

WHEN THE ANDROID TAKEOVER GETS CLOSE TO HAPPENING THE GOOD JOBS WILL BE ANDROID MECHANIC

>>127469501
For fucks sake call me a grown up name.
Before all you faggots from brightbart came to 4chan, you had no idea what you were getting into. You got the numbers, but you are shit compared to real Americans

>>127469560
Okay bud, I don't wanna argue with you about whether you think all jobs can be done by people or not. Do you actually think we're gonna have enough jobs for everyone to be musicians? Are you in disagreement that more than half of the workforce could be replaced by robots?

>>127469871
It will still happen though.

>>127469513


Republicans want to get to the bottom of the Russian involvement too. Who doesn't? Inequality and racism is just the American way eh? Nothing wrong with that. LOL

>>127469666
And this is my favorite part of all your worthless arguments.

How Fucking stupid are you to blame the immigrants? Because they don't just show up to jobs work and expect pay. It's the business! Go after the companies. It's the blame the immigrants speech that you are fed so you don't realize that it's the company that's the problem

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>>127469885
>ingroup-outgroup conflict
>no true scotsman
fuck off, shill

>>127469751
Why wont the price of food comedown?
>>127469751
If you could have a free musician right now would you?

>>127462328
What's wrong with that logo?

>>127469871
Piccolo competing for a skilled job with Android 17:

https://youtu.be/CkYVw_68IlY

>>127469871
It might not occur to you bud. But a lot of automation is about letting one trades men do the job of many. As technology gets better we can use less and less people to do the same job. The argument doesn't have to be that everyone will be unemployed. The argument can just be that say 50% of people will be unemployed. For example, printers work on printing presses and each printer can run and check the papers of a single press. As the press gets more and more sophisticated you require less people checking the product to make sure they are still good and the machine will print the product faster and faster.

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>>127469433
Everyone who opposes trump is a leftist!!!

>>127470267

What are you SAYING? It's the illegal's fault for ruining the country! Their standing in front of Lowes and Home Depot willing to work under the table with no insurance ruined the economy! I can't get my old strawberry picking job back!! CURSE THEEEEM!!

>>127468782
>>127469204
You are also both idiots. The Republicans are nowhere near racist. The problem with immigrants is that there are illegal and economic ones that refuse to adapt their culture to our laws or they do shitty jobs. They often end up on food stamps or social welfare and both are ultimately enslavement tools for the Democrats (who often increase funding to these) to keep their shills in poverty and dependent on the State.

Islam is also not a race and it has it's share of problems that make it incompatible with western laws. Even if they had a reformation, there are too many contradictions that would prevent them from maintaining it to 21st century terms. Not to mention even Moderate Muslims hold certain beliefs that extremists do as well (Global Sharia Law, Women are slaves, etc.).

>>127470562
Lol oh anny-chan I love you

>>127470358
The price of food will come down. But you didn't create a job.

>>127470585
That's rich coming from a Canadian

>>127470358
Honestly for free? Sure. But if I had to feed him? Fuck no.

>>127470585
And let's look into the history of the Democrats:
>Pro-Slavery
>None supported the 13-15th Amendments
>Founded the KKK
>More votes against than the Republicans for both Civil Rights Act
>Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty targeted mostly single black mothers and poverty hasn't changed much

You can talk about how people switched sides and shit, but not many did so.

The last good Democrat was JFK and he got a bullet for what he did, but even he was no saint.

>>127470135
There is no proof of Russian involvement, it was only used as an excuse for Trump absolutely embarrassing the DNC's darling. They didn't say anything about russia until after the loss. Obama and the NSA had nothing on him.

Inequality and racism is not a problem in America. There is nothing wrong with inequality and anything used to combat inequality only lowers quality of living for poor people.

>racism
Government programs do more for non whites than white people and affirmative action can't bring people that aren't capable up to a level of white people. Trying is just wasted money and probably hurts them more than helps. If black lives really mattered to them they wouldn't be killing each other. Their problem is theirs to fix.

>>127462109
"Family" you are a definitely a single man, hahahahahah.

>>127459421

Because they know that the reason they're poor isn't because of the billionnaires. In fact, said billionnaires give them the jobs.

You dumb fuck.

>>127470922
Liberals took over the Democrat party, no one today in the Democrat party would even think of supporying slavery.

>>127470828
Country of origin doesn't matter and I hate Trudeau and our Libtards. I have voted Tory all my life.

The fact your 12 posts make yourself look like a Democrat shill is far worse than me being a leaf anyday.

>>127470938
Bud, affirmative action based on race is definitely racism. IDK why this is such a complicated thing for the dumb fucks who are further left than me to say.

>>127471091
Hence why there is a different form of enslavement: Social Welfare.

Haha fuck all the stupid whites people that post on this board in support of trump. I'm going to make a shit ton off of the elimination of the estate tax and I'll hire you all to do services for me for third world wages while you all thank me.

T. Millionaire class

>>127470585

Enslavement tools for the democrats who can't vote and are free to self deport and send the majority of their money back to their families in Mexico?

>>127471157
I don't disagree with you

>>127470761
>>127470831
In your fully automated world the price of food is near zero

>>127471247
Are you black?

I don't agree with right wing economic policies unless they're in the Pat Buchanan strain (protectionism, etc.). But why would I vote for a liberal that wants to exterminate white people?

>>127470938
First! Oh yes they did. Here is the day they admitted and laughed at it because they didn't care. They were already in office .
https://youtu.be/CjDw36BUE_k your own people laughing at you.

Government does more for non whites? Lol .. This is what surprised me about the election. "she didn't win the white vote" are you serious? I didn't know you needed encouragement to how the country is yours.. Who is the special snowflake here again?

>>127470135
Bud we know Black people have lower IQs on average. It's so fucking toxic to talk about it but it's true. Blacks have higher rates of single motherhood and their culture is not based around studying. If blacks were earning the same amount as non-blacks considering all these factors our understanding of the world would need a serious fucking rethink.

>>127471357
Not arguing man. Just acknowledging that even though right wing arguments are bad the fucking dickheads who push the identity politics shit are retarded.

>>127471482
It doesn't matter if I am or not.

Black Communities also have self-inflicted problems that have brought these troubles onto them.

>>127471492
Us far-rightists are excluded from American politics because no one represents us, because American politics is fucking stupid like its mongrel populace.

>>127471157
Fun fact. Affermitive action only applies to government jobs, not commercial or private

>>127470049
This won't be the first time half the workforce has been replaced by machines. Yet somehow this time is special and we need changes to ease the automation jobocalypse.

Seems like a communist psyop to me.

>>127471662
Slaveruwas good for the White economy, it eventually became outmoded. In the long run keeping niggers in White countries was a bad idea, they should have been exterminated or sent back after slavery ended.

>>127471426
Sure let's say food is cheap as anything, Bill is still short one job. The companies that produce food can charge whatever the fuck they want but let's say they choose to charge you fuck all. Bill has no job, you're gonna have to pay him a basic income right? How else does he survive?

>>127471723
Try running a mid sized business with all white males. Have fun with your eventual discrimination lawsuit.

>>127470414
This

>>127471680
Campaign-mode Trump was the closest thing I think we'll ever get in this doomed nation.

>>127471853
He can be my butler
He can be my artist
He can be my blacksmith
The can be my woodworker

>>127471723
There's considerable social pressure at the moment to "Appear" tolerant.

>>127471521

>Bud we know Black people have lower IQs on average. It's so fucking toxic to talk about it but it's true. Blacks have higher rates of single motherhood and their culture is not based around studying. If blacks were earning the same amount as non-blacks considering all these factors our understanding of the world would need a serious fucking rethink.

Didn't the Nazis say something similar to this about the Jews before the death camps started?

>>127471853
This is why the government should regulate the market based on economic trends and anomalies. Expunge greed, serve the people.

>>127471521
And yet no one noticed when Obama and trump stood next to each other..
The one with the family had one wife and 2 kids from the same woman.
And trump was on his 3rd wife with kids from each marrige..

>>127472059
So you're worried about telling the truth based on the fact that some country in the past started a war over it?

>>127459421
I thought your rich were doing the same thing others were; put your money to a tax haven.

>>127471953
Unfortunately that may be true.

>>127472059
No they correctly identified the degenerative effects Jews have on culture and financial institutions.

>>127471927
Doubt it, we are putting more pro business supreme court judges. Workers will have no rights soon

>>127472040
Why hire any of these people when a robot can do their jobs cheaper than it costs to feed them? You're logic is circulating man. Where we lost at? Are you disagreeing that it's possible to make machines do jobs cheaper than people can?

>>127472059
>we shouldn't tell uncomfortable truths because Nazis

This is why many of us can't take the left seriously anymore. You guys live in some sort of imagined multicultural utopia in your heads that will never exist.

>>127472078
Agreed

>>127471927
>hire nigger janitor
>put him in the company commercial

>>127463411
>Silicon Valley is the USA's powerhouse.
lol, its a bunch of rich kids and venture capitalists jerking each other off and outsourcing code to India.

>>127459421
Cuz nigger-lover Hillary didn't care about their welfare either so they hoped Trump would do something about it.

>>127472279
Good. Business owners shouldn't have to justify not hiring niggers.

>>127472332
Why do people hire someone to paint their portrait now when a photograph ia better and cheaper
Because they are rich and they can

>>127472092
Bud, what I said in no way let's you make solid claims about any individual black person. I'm actually making an argument against the claim that there is systemic racism.

>>127459421
Because the country doesn't run on my personal financial comfort

>>127472154

I don't know man. There seems to be a pattern among whites. It always starts with dehumanizing and ends with mass murder.

>>127471150
Guess what? Nobody cares. Also how is rebel media going?

>>127472535
How many people do you know that do a job a machine could do for cheaper?

>>127472412
>intentionally hiring a low class nigger
>allowing a nigger to prowl around your business at night
>giving him the keys to every room so he can 'clean'

Worst possible decision. Much better to just over pay some Uncle Tom front office worker who will process paperwork from 9-5.

>>127459421
Anyone who makes this argument I simply could not trust.

>Why would you vote for what you believe is ethically right instead of purely voting on what helps you the most without regard to how it effects others?

Do these people even hear themselves?

>>127459421
Because they know the alternative is fomenting a communist revolution and chasing the wealth out of the country and enabling niggers and homeless retards to appropriate the little wealth that they do have - unemployed in the south are actually mostly democrats because they want this themselves.
What they don't know is they're fucked either way and they need to just kick the fucking Jews out and ban usury until things fix themselves or we pick a better system than the two choices we have now.

>>127472781
I'd rather hire no nigger.

>>127472668
So let's drop the argument about systemic racism less you can bring me some better evidence than the entirety of black people verse the entirety of white people. I don't want to bring up this shit about the inequality between races.

>>127459421
>Middle class tax cuts
>"Tax cuts for billionaires"

Why are Liberals so retarded?

>>127472714
That is because welfare keeps wages artificially high

>>127472509
Almost true, you know they won't hire anyone if they don't want to. How is making their life's harder for them. Doing you any good? They will still pay you shit wages

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>>127472822

> Conservashits
> ethical

Pick one , Cletus

>>127471927
How could he possibly get a discrimination lawsuit? What if all those people are, I don't know, actually qualified to work there?

>>127463411
The culture comes from the redblooded white citizens in the flyover states and rust belt, not nigger-town and quasi-muslim-ville

>>127473103
I'm sorry if I sound harsh man but I am a bit frustrated trying to express this point to you. I am literally talking about the point when machines are cheaper than it is to even feed a person. I don't need to argue from a point where machines are cheapish I can argue from a point where machines are so cheap it's cheaper to use them than feed a person. At this point machines would be doing likely 95% jobs but let's say you think that their are a shit tonne of jobs machines couldn't do. Let's say 50%. So 50% of people are unemployed because it's cheaper to run a robot than feed a human. You honestly think 3.5 billion more painters, musicians etc. are gonna be viable?

>>127473061
Top marginal tax reduced from 40% to 35%. Reduce the corporate tax rate from 35% to 15%. And ending the estate tax; that only applies to the top 0.2% of the population.
Yeah, this is a hyuge giveaway to billionaires.

>>127464787
>cant own a firearm
>cant keep more than 60% of your own money
>cant produce viable, non degenerate offspring
>cant even own bear mace
>thriving
shut the fuck up you miserable cunt. California is the trash bin of this whole country

>>127464111
Tariffs sound like affirmative action for corporations. They should have done what they are doing now which is compete with Japanese car manufacturers. Instead they kept on making land yachts.

>>127473526
You might be perfectly justified and still get sued. Then Al Sharpton organizes a protest and your racist ass is in the news. Modern day reparations is real.

>>127473514
Kind of funny how you believe Russia Gate is a thing when it was cooked up by MSM and the Clintons the day after Trump won, which was revealed in Wikileaks.

>>127473526
Courts can't confirm that and the courts don't accept you saying they're all good.

>le tax cuts for billionaires/corporations meme

when pressed, no leftshit will ever explain what the fuck they're talking about when they claim "right wingers" want to give welfare to the rich

>>127464130
who r u quoting

>>127459421
>conservapoor
I thought you were against demonizing the less fortunate.

>>127473526
Imagine a company like IDK you guys have "Walmart" right? Imagine Walmart getting sued for discrimination. Bud that would be a disaster for their PR department.

>>127474020
Bla blabla bullshit bullshit, all you need is someone to declare himself native american, if your racist ass it's dumb enough to not do even that you deserve a lawsuit.

>>127474009
Proof of Russian hacking faggot

https://youtu.be/CjDw36BUE_k

>>127473728
and what's wrong with that? If i was a billionaire I'd want to pay less tax too. Expecting them to pay more is equivalent to accepting stolen goods. Quit trying to take rich peoples money, you aren't entitled to it you stupid libshit nigger.

>>127474256
It's okay when they do it in their world of liberal doublethink.

>>127474560
They benefit off a system propped up by the working class. You really think that a CEO earning millions of dollars every year does 250 times the work of the guy that's busting his guts out shovelling dirt?

>>127474418
>proof
Are you fucking retarded? Do you not know what ip masking is? If Russia were hacking the election do you think they would just allow their ip to be seen?

This proves nothing besides how much of a dullard you are.

>>127474871
Yes, they do, because they had to spend decades in college and learning about businesses, deciding prices, hiring departments, etc.

>>127474560

Funny how you defend tax cuts to the rich (something you'll most likely never be) and couldn't care less about the average working peon you are. Good job making sure that rich person has enough money to buy his tenth house. Expect your tip in the mail.

>>127461449
>>127462109
This, plus lib-tards our trying to take our liberties away.

>>127475126
250 times man? Really? I can't agree.

>>127459421
What you are asking is why fiscal conservatives feel taking someone else's money is bad.
Really?

>>127475126
>deciding prices
Every business charges as much as they can. Period, there is no deviation from that principle.

>>127474871
no but that's how the system works, you're paid exponentially more the further up the ladder you climb. CEOs are required in order for the company to exist at all, if we just snapped our fingers and killed every CEO in existence the result would be that either the companies would
collapse or the dead CEO would just be replaced by a new CEO.

Having billionaires pay less taxes also means that they'll have more capital to reinvest into expanding or creating new businesses resulting in more jobs.

>>127475221
Dude, as a non-American. I can comfortably say that you guys are not 100% right on everything. Looking I can see that a lot of your problems come from your fucked up prison system and your wealth inequality. Almost every white nation that adopts an American style of politics with a couple of socialist additions does really really well.

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>>127463208
Maryland is doing great. One of the smartest and wealthiest state in America. Diverse population, good economy, good jobs, LIBERAL AF!

>>127463133
>flag
I smell a LEAF

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>>127459421

>>127473514
I didn't say I agreed with their ethics but the argument itself entails not caring about ethics and only caring for yourself.

Learn some reading comprehension you dumbfuck.

>>127475491
Sure man, I'm not saying kill all CEOs, I'm saying that they benefit from the society far more than a dickhead shovelling dirt so they should pay a bit more per dollar back into it.

Trickle down economics is pretty bad. I understand your argument but if you taxed rich people more and gave it to poor people it's not like these poor people aren't going to spend that money on the businesses around them.

>>127475542
Don't you guys suffer from similar wealth inequality and have an even more whacked out, inflated economy? I thought your minimum wage was like $20/hour and the average rent price for a small 1bdrm apartment is like $2000/month or some shit

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>>127459421

These are tax cuts for everyone you retard

Go fuck yourself with a pine tree you shill

>>127463411
That type of think is what made Trump our POTUS ,
you commie.

>>127475846
They got all their money as a result of benefiting society by creating new inventions or businesses and managing them. They didn't "take" from society, they benefited huge swaths of society and society benefited them back.

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>>127475491

LOL

>>127475863
Our wealth inequality is nowhere near yours but I suppose you could make an argument that because you have a larger GDP and more people that might factor in.
I work a no skill labour job and earn about 900 dollars a week and my 3 bedroom house with a decent size yard costs me 295 dollars a week which me and my partner split. Our minimum wage is very high at 15 dollars and we pay the umemployed welfare I suppose you would call it. Though we still expect these unemployed to look for work and if they can't show proof they have we stop paying them. Australia is in debt but not to the same extent America is.

>>127476164
The same way 250 blokes shovelling dirt will benefit society by literally building things. Bud all workers benefit society. I didn't say they didn't benefit society.

>>127463551
No, your the moron!

>>127474281
Yeah if there was actual proof of discrimination maybe, but if it is is false accusations and they backfire, then the company faces no PR damage.

>>127474418
Did you even look at Vault7, faggot?

There is information in there that allows one to change the fingerprint of the hacks to anything or anyone they fit. There is also technology that redirects information to other servers.

There is also Wikileaks information that showed the Clintons, DNC and MSM have been running the Russia Narrative 24 hours after the election was lost to try and either deligitimize the presidency or get him impeached. Almost all evidence is also from "anonymous sources" or has solid proof of audio transactions. Putin himself even offered transcripts and the MSM refused it.

Also, a Latvian did the Podesta Emails. The DNC emails was more likely an inside job.


Your shilling for the Democrats is getting more and more obvious with every post you make under that ID, faggot.

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real happenings are here >>127457725

>>127476478
250 shovellers benefit maybe 2000 people and don't need a lot of training or college or etc.

One CEO like Bill Gates benefits BILLIONS and needs huge training, expertise, and hard work.

>>127476797
Bill gates net worth is 88.5 billion dollars. Just going off his net worth without even factoring in the money he has spent we could have paid more than 2 million people to shovel dirt for a year. I'm not saying bill doesn't deserve to get paid more than the average person. I'm merely saying that the moral argument cuts both ways.

>>127476797
I would say a good amount to tax the wealthy is something along the lines of "As much as you can reasonably ask for without discouraging the majority from continuing to desire more wealth". A lot of these millionaires and billionaires are inventors and innovators and you don't want them to stop. But even at a tax rate of about 50% I can't imagine a wealthy person saying fuck it I don't wanna earn any more.

>>127476650
Bud when people see smoke they assume their is fire. Many companies try to settle quietly and actually pay money so that things like this don't reach public opinion.

>>127462068
That's like comparing Washington state to Alabama

>>127468281
it's almost like you truly believe that the government raising taxes on companies wont affect the cost of their products.

>>127476712
Ooo. New material. Thanks

>>127478042
True.