If Democrats are so smart, why did they get the election so wrong?

rural and suburban retards

>>127429943
Too smart to win

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>if Democrats are so smart

A coalition of Gender Studies majors and niggers. What a wonderful political party.

>>127430096
rural and suburban russians

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>>127429943

because they only hear what they wanted to hear

>>127429943
No one is smart enough to see how stupid rural and suburban retards would vote against their interests

>>127429943
because the polls were designed to make trump supporters give up on voting and make people vote who they thought "the majority" was voting for

how people don't realize how blatantly obvious it is that it was intentional deception is beyond me

>>127430603
Letting in even more non-Whites is not in the interest of rural or suburban people, chink

>>127429943
If you've ever been to a college campus you'd know that 90% of them are just as degenerate as the most isolated people in the Appalachians who fuck their own relatives for 4 generations and have never seen a school yard.

Source: UC Student. Financing major, working on Economics major. Financing and Economics classes are a decent sized redpill imo. First words out of my Business20 professors mouth some years ago were "I am a capitalist because capitalism works. Despite what your social studies professors would have you believe, socialism does not work. By the end of this course, you will be a capitalist as well."

>>127430695
This is the only explanation that makes sense to me.

>>127429943
Because they are not smart.

>>127429943

It's certainly hard to believe how many retards still think Trump is a good idea. But I'm looking forward to either watching the people who voted for him suffer because of his policies or watching his party burn to the ground around him as the Russia scandal continues to escalate.

>>127431938
>It's certainly hard to believe how many retards still think Trump is a good idea.

So you're saying Democrats don't understand how other people think?

>>127431938
>Russia meme
no you're just gullible retards

>>127432076

Considering Trump is an inexperienced man-child that lashes out at the slightest criticism, blatantly lies to your face, brags about himself all day, and can't wrap his head around simple shit like how human activities affect the planet, then yes I do find it hard to understand what it is you see in this man.

>>127432689
Are Democrats born without social intelligence? Why don't you understand people?

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>>127432739

I can ask the same thing about you republicans these days.

>>127432899
I don't think you understand the question.

Why don't you understand why people like Trump?

>>127432689
Look at the candidate you fielded against him. People didn't want her so badly they elected the person you described.

>>127432944

Because I can't think of a single thing he's said or done that would benefit the people who voted for him. What do you like about him personally?

>>127433141
I want a strong leader

Also Hillary was a sociopath, would vote for almost anyone over her

Liberals gave Trump the best chance. Stop going to plebbit OP.

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>>127433272
>Liberals gave Trump the best chance.

????

'Quiet conservative' is definitely a problem for people taking polls. The left wing have spent years now shouting down all opposition as racism that most people don't want to talk about topics like immigration because there's some loud mouth that will try to publically shame them and name call, instead of actually discussing anything. Worse, with Twitter and social media, there's now a tendency towards leftists trying to mob justice humiliate people for saying fairly innocuous things and spread it all around.

Leftists think because they don't hear a lot of debate about immigration, beyond the few people they occasionally have to scream racist at, they've won the debate. All they've done is gag debate, the public vote differently when in a private polling booth. Further, the obnoxiousness of the left, SJW, virtue signalling, is actually causing a kick back by the public.

The reason the Brexit vote went to 'leave' was as much to do with the remainers screaming racism at everyone as it was to do with any coherent argument by the Leave camp.

>>127433053

Hillary certainly sucked, no questions about that. But common sense still should have let people realize she was the better of the two options. Voting for Trump because you didn't like Hillary enough is like driving your car off of a cliff to avoid having some birds up ahead shitting on your car.

>>127431938
The "Russia scandal" is a bunch of baloney cooked up by the Democrats and media. It was bullshit from day one.

>>127433467
How is Trump like driving off a cliff?

How has Trump hurt your life since he's been president?

>>127433531
I ask my Hillary/ liberal friends this and they don't have an answer. they just storm off.

>Polls predict 2.5% more of the popular vote
>Gets 2% instead
>States contested were a toss up.

>>127429943
Clinton DID win

probability isn't wrong.

betting on the losing side is will make you wrong.

>>127431938
>It's certainly hard to believe how many retards still think Trump is a good idea
Still a better choice than Hillary or Bernie

>>127433237

So do strong leaders lose sleep at night over their election day crowd sizes? Or go golfing at a much more frequent pace than their predecessors at their own resort on taxpayer money? Or stay glued to Fox News for information instead of listening to his intelligence committee? Or ignore the research of our country's scientists? Or casually leak classified information to other countries without thinking about it?

>>127433531
The one question none of them have an answer for.

>>127433906
If Hillary won, she would be president now, not Trump.

>>127430047
How could they not know that, the same people were involved in Obamas elections. KellyAnn and many others talked about those votes and HIllary team mocked them.

>>127434035
Apparently. Get with the program. This isn't all some elaborate ruse, and no it isn't impossible to understand.

>>127434035
>Or stay glued to Fox News for information

The irony of this being that you stay glued on CNN and MSNBC for your information.

Because the forecasting failed to take into account the targeted effects of Russian election interference such as bots, the use of stolen DCCC data, and so forth in the key Midwestern battleground states.

>>127432877
Having too much confidence is not smart.
Only the paranoid survive - Thats what smart people say.

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>>127429943
They are 'So Smart' in an American way.

>>127433906
>This

>>127429943
Also not understanding margin of error...

Serious question why do Republicans have borderline retards as presidents? Like Bush & Trump

>>127434035
Fuck off, CNN.

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>>127429943
Lol

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>>127429943
>99%_chance_to_hit.jpg

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not many understand is that your vote does not count, period. if no one would have voted we would still have a president elected.

>>127434035
>lose sleep at night over their election day crowd sizes?
[CITATION NEEDED]
>Or go golfing at a much more frequent pace than their predecessors at their own resort on taxpayer money?
Its like you dont realize deals can be made outside the White House
>Or stay glued to Fox News for information
Ironic coming from a cuck who stays glued to CNN and MSNBC for information
>Or ignore the research of our country's scientists?
>OY VEY CLIMATE CHANGE IS GONNA KILL HUMANITY IN 5 YEARS UNLESS WE GET 600 GORILLIN SHEK-ER,DOLLARS TO RESEARCH IT MORE!
>Or casually leak classified information to other countries without thinking about it?
1. Wasnt classified information, it was secret at best.
2. The president has executive privilege to release any information he wants any time he wants, especially when it involves fighting terrorism and making air travel safer.
2/10, apply yourself better ShareBlue

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>>127429943
democrat's are smart enough to understand that 1.6% doesn't mean 0% chance

it's just the trumpers who don't understand the concept

yes he had an unexpected long shot win... now hold him accountable for all his promises

>>127434291
I have an unnamed whitehouse source who read a memo to me over the phone claiming you are a cock squatter

>>127434035
See, now you're pretending to be politically and mentally retarded just for an opportunity to post your camp's talking points.
Fucking give it up already. Aren't you even a little ashamed?

>>127429943
Putin, Russian hackers and Neonazis

>>127433531

Net neutrality being killed off will inevitably make using the internet a shittier experience for me.

Him pushing for coal over cleaner energy will hasten global warming, so I'm sure that'll be fun to see those effects later in my life.

A great deal of what he's mentioned will directly affect other people while I sit depressed on the sidelines. I'm not poor, so his proposed changes to healthcare aren't gonna affect me at the moment, but it's sad to know how many people are going to be screwed.

>>127434926
again, how has Trump directly affected you?

>>127434284

I don't watch any cable news. If I do it's usually taken with a big grain of salt.

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>>127434926
>thinks Trump decides whether or not he lives to see global warming

>>127434926
also, kys

>>127434926
>Net neutrality being killed off will inevitably make using the internet a shittier experience for me.
Oh no, your animu and trap porn will take an extra 30 seconds to load!
>Him pushing for coal over cleaner energy will hasten global warming
>He still believes in (((global warming)))

>>127434926
>>127433467
>>127432689
>>127431938
You realize you're arguing with actual retards right?
They hate Jews but worship a guy cucked by Jews

>>127435071

I just listed some reasons.

If you want another quick one before I go grab some food here, I'll be too embarrassed to travel abroad and let anyone know I'm an American with him in charge.

Most pollsters were oversampling Democrats and groups that vote for Democrats in spite of data on the demographics for various regions being readily available.

They essentially bet that Democrats that there was more enthusiasm for Democrats to vote than for Independents and Republicans.

You could just look at the difference between how Trump supporters and Hillary supporters behaved at rallies to realize how much more enthusiastic Trump supporters were.

So in a way, the media may have helped Trump by not showing the crowds at his rallies. It gave many in the media the false impression that hardly anyone was excited about Trump.

If Hillary and her people bothered looking into Trump's supporters they may have realized just how excited they were. Yet instead they likely paid attention to what the media was saying was happening. So they had little reason to think that there was something wrong with what pollsters thought was going to be the voter turnout.

Hell there were polls suggesting over half of all voters were going to be Democrats when Democrats make up closer to a third of voters, maybe as high as 40%. That's absolutely insane, as it meant they thought Republicans and Independents each made up about a quarter of the country. Watching what independents wanted should've been the most important group to watch as they're the only ones that swing from voting for one party or the other, yet because pollsters engaged in oversampling it made it likely seem irrelevant what independents wanted.

>>127430603
>vote against their interests
Dunno man, starting the coal train again is going to put a LOT of people back in work, can't really deny that

>>127434926
Muh Netflix Neutrality

>>127429943
They got lazy. Liberals had a sense of invincibility because they have been winning since the 60's.

>>127434554
Reminder that Hillary will go down in the history books as the living candidate with the most electoral votes turned off from her. 5 people switched from Hillary, 2 from Trump.

>>127430047
>>127430603
Wouldn't they be smart enough to figure out how to appeal to retards then?

>>127429943
they didnt account for election fraud

>>127435487
you've listed round about reasons. your day to day life didn't change at all. I never told anyone when I was traveling that I was an American way before Obama or whomever was president. that's just common sense for safety.

>>127436143

You could say that about almost any president then. Unless a president either forces you into the military or walks into your home and kicks you in the balls it isn't affecting you directly.

They didn't, Hillary won the popular vote by more than 2 million votes

>>127436535
She had a 3.3 mil majority in California, a state famed for low Republican turn out. Wonder what it would have been like if Republicans in Cali actual voted

>>127435744
very few have been employed in coal in the last ~20 + years

It's been heavily mechanized requiring less workers

There is an overwhelming glut of natural gas which is cheaper & easier to deal with & cleaner

They aren't going to build new coal plants

There are more people employed @ arby's then there are in the entire coal industry

>>127436693
I wonder what the result would have been if the other 40% of the US actually voted. So what?

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>>127430423
>forgetting that Trump lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes
kek

>>127437119

>cant be bothered to do even an absentee ballot
>thinking they would vote for any of the candidates

>>127430603
>Vote against their interests
>"Oy vey the democrats love workers rights! Didn't your union rep tell you you should vote for Hillary! She loves the working man"
>"What? Why doesn't she come campaign in your state and why did she say you're a worthless deplorable for questioning her? That's just fake news!"
>OH no Hillary lost the rust belt, what a surprise
You have to be a complete fucking retard to not see this.

>>127436143

You must be that smartass prick at parties that splits hairs in arguments just to be a cheeky cunt

They didn't get it wrong.

He had a 1.6% chance to win and he got lucky.

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>>127436693
>Wonder what it would have been like if Republicans in Cali actual voted
>Implying the same does not happen to Democrats in Republican states.

>>127435349
No white nationalist likes Trump leaf. They prefer him over the alternative. T_D and reddit refugees on 4chan all hate the anti-Semite stuff. He's a kike, but less so than Hillary, that's good enough for me considering it was my best option.

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>>127435744
Can confirm. My sister now burns coal daily.

>>127429943
they got their algo wrong
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/09/clintons-data-driven-campaign-relied-heavily-on-an-algorithm-named-ada-what-didnt-she-see/?utm_term=.df50ae411b62

>>127429943
>If Democrats are so smart, why did they get the election so wrong?

because they arent smart.

they ran a ProWar Anti-Environmental Neoliberal Establishment Shill at a time when most of the country is Anti Establishment, against the wars that have been going on for 15+years, against the trade deals of the 90s, while she was already involved in an FBI investigation for Pay to Play behavior with her foundation and a shady Email Server. They cheated bernie, are now fully admitting it, screwed left leaning independent and most of the democratic base that turned out for Obama. never had a message and expected to win against a populist with a republican party that has made cheating their specialty (cross check, voter id's, shutting down voting stations, gerrymandering). And all they can do now is ignore reality and blame russia. they continue to blame jill stein/bernie voters for having principles while ignoring that 10% of democrats voted for trump.

everyone i know either voted Trump or Jill Stein in northern new jersey. if jill stein wasnt on the ballot, i would have voted for trump.

the country needs to wake up to the corporatist bullshit that has corrupted both parties. trump is the best figurehead for the job.

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>>127433467
Some proportion (difficult to say how many), did not "Vote for Trump", they voted AGAINST HILLARY.

This is what happens when your candidate is such a corrupt, venal, lying, vindictive, malicious sociopath than even spunking $1.4 billion in a rigged election can't get her past the winning post.

>>127434596
why do you care, arent you the guys that gave Obama a pass on everything -0¿

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>>127433906
>Clinton DID win

Sharing the same delusion as Hillary with her view that she "Won against Bernie and The Donald".

Only "Special People" believe this.

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>>127438885
She won the popular vote, nothing delusional here. By 3 million no less.

>>127438161
>Cheating
>Voting ID

>>127434554
Liberal math

>>127434596
1.6 isn't 0, true, but when you consistently give a candidate 1 to 5% chance to succeed in a given situation (GOP candidacy, numerous states) and ar constantly proven wrong it is a sign that you're wrong and should rethink the model.

The 1.6% occurring once is 1.6/100 chance, it occurring five times is 0.016^5 * 100%. At that point it is statistically impossible, and for your models to be wrong to that extent is unforgivable.

You know I was thinking, has there been another candidate as big as a sore loser as her?

Maybe gore was but he actually had more justification since the race was actually close in winning conditions. If Hillary ever runs again they're gonna use this against her.

>>127434926
So, your issues can be summed up as "Nothing, but I think X will happen in the future"

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>>127436535
>Hillary won the popular vote by more than 2 million votes

Which had absolutely no effect on the outcome as that isn't how the US determines the outcome of the US Presidential Election.

The Donald fought and won based upon the electoral requirements for fighting and winning.

If it had been based upon a majority of the electorate voting for him rather than the electoral college then The Donald would have focussed his efforts there and would have won the popular vote instead.

Just because you had a shitty candidate who can't accept the result more than 6 months after the election doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

Fucking grow up you idiotic man-child.

>>127437630
>Implying there are as many Democrats in Republican states who don't vote as there are Republicans in California who don't vote

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>>127439500
>Just because you had a shitty candidate
>Believes in Trump's 4d chess
This nigga is for real. Also no reason to be this triggered.

>>127429943
To be fair they didnt really get it wrong, as Hildabeast won, with more than 3 million votes or 2 percent.

Due to the Constitution, the winner will not necessarily become President.

>>127437216
> forgetting the popular vote is irrelevant
Literally how does the side that did not understand how the electoral system works call anyone else retarded?

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>>127439095
>She won the popular vote, nothing delusional here. By 3 million no less.

...and if that made any difference at all (other than to your feelz), I might be interested, but since it doesn't...

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>>127440120
>my speculation is more valid than your speculation

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>ywn experience the election night ever again

>>127429943

Hubris. The haughty attitude of the left is always their downfall. Look at the little snobby, arrogant cry babies in this thread getting butt blasted over "rural and suburban retards" and "MUH Hillary" and clean energy. They're delusional. They were told by the media and the celebrities that they idolize that Hillary had it in the bag. That arrogance lost them the election. A lot of the people complaining probably didn't even go out to vote. It's not just the arrogance of her voters and the media/establishment that propped her up, but her own doing as well. Trump campaigned much harder than Hillary. He travelled from state to state every single day and made sure he visited the rust belt and the "rural and suburban retards". He covered a vast portion of the United States. Hillary? They didn't even bother. Instead of reaching out to crucial counties, she went to cities like Philadelphia and New York, pretty much guaranteed wins. Her campaign was garbage from day 1.

Now I'm not the biggest Trump fan, nor am I a conservative republican by any stretch of the imagination, but he was far and away the better option. His views on border control and relations with other countries alone made him the superior candidate. He may be a puppet to some higher ups, but Hillary and the Clinton's were bought and paid for a loooooong time ago. The country dodged a bullet and got a little borrowed time with her losing and I'm happy because of it. Trump probably won't be able to change any thing for the better, the country is too far gone, but had Hillary won, we'd have gone the way of Europe and been at war with Russia by now.

There's also the simple fact that a majority of people are fans of the underdog. Trump was the underdog in this story. Everyone said he was a joke, that he couldn't make the republican nomination, that he had a single digit chance of beating Hillary, etc. etc. Everyone shilled against him and his supporters. When he won, the tears were delicious.

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>>127440566
> forgetting the popular vote is irrelevant
implying

>>127440635
Just means that more American's voted for someone other than the current POTUS. No need to be angry.

>>127440865
Implying what? The popular vote in the US is a meaningless statistic. It is completely destroyed as a useful measurement by the Winner-Takes-All system driving people to not bother to vote in certain states; why bother voting Republican in Cali, Hawai, DC or Washington? Why bother voting Democrat in Texas, Kentucky or Alabama? It's impossible to say which party's supporters abstained more, so it's impossible to say which side would win a popular vote contest.

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>>127440120
better pic

>>127429943
Russian hackers obviously

>>127440635
It makes a difference only in the sense that America voted for Hillary. It doesnt make a difference in the sense that the guy who America voted against still became president.

>>127429943
Democrats are niggers. Who thinks niggers are smart?

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>>127440232
>Believes in Trump's 4d chess

It's not about 4D chess you fucking numpty, it's the simple and obvious fact that the strategy for winning a vote based upon a state-based electoral college and the strategy for winning a vote based upon a national popular vote are completely different.

With an electoral college you focus on marginal states (which is what Trump did) rather than states where you are already popular (which is what Hillary did).

Hillary was playing a strategy which was far closer to a popular vote strategy than an electoral college one (i.e. spending an excessive amount of time in states she was almost guaranteed to win)

She did this because she thought she didn't need to expend the effort, because the election was in the bag and going places where you are unpopular and trying to convert people to your cause is hard work.

I'm genuinely glad the polls were so consistently wrong over the entire electoral period, because it meant that Hillary played it all wrong and lost because of it.

Her SJW supporters also put off more middle of the road voters because they were so egregiously awful.

>>127435614
tl;dr she bought her own hubris

>>127440823
>He may be a puppet to some higher ups,
Thought he was rich and so could not be bought. At least that was how he was sold on /pol/ before the election.

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>>127437216
John Quincy Adams.
Lincoln.
Woodrow Wilson x 2.
JFK.
Clinton x 2.

None of them had 50% of the popular vote you complete and utter fucking mong. Lincoln didn't even clear 40%. That's why we have the goddamned electoral college.

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>>127441257
Why do you constantly write one sentence at a time. You can do a paragraph now and then.

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Of course we can all vote.What does this have to do with elections? It's a placebo.

Voting is like pissing in a wet-suit. It gives a nice, warm feeling, butt nobody notices and nothing changes.

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>>127441690
>None of them had 50% of the popular vote
Neither did Clinton or Trump.

>Lincoln didn't even clear 40%.
That's cause there were 4 parties running for POTUS. The smallest of which, the Constitutional Union, got 12% of the vote.

>That's why we have the goddamned electoral college.
Run off elections are a thing too.

>>127441583

Initially, yes, he funded his own campaign. He was an anti-establishment candidate.

Once he got in there though . . .

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Retarded memes are for retards

read some Adam Smith

graduate to Econ 101?

>>127429943
Because the "educated" meme is just that, a meme. Fake degrees are basically all american universities produce nowadays.

>>127440865
>Just means that more American's voted for someone other than the current POTUS. No need to be angry.

If the burgers were unhappy with the use of the electoral college instead of a popular vote then they are free to change it through a constitutional amendment.

The reason this hasn't happened is that it would never be ratified, since the smaller states would be handing effective control to the larger states.

Don't bitch to me about it, bitch to your representative in Congress.

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>>127441741
>Why do you constantly write one sentence at a time. You can do a paragraph now and then.

Obviously because I am a monstrous faggot.

D'uh!

Democratic models were based on the fact that there are more:

Liberal White americans
Women
Independents
Minorities

Than there are conservatives. The problem? Half of those women went Red, they didn't give the independents a reason to vote for their candidate and the minorities are prevented from voting due to harsh voter ID laws designed to keep them from voting because dems refuse to invest in local elections.