Christian Video Company Sued For Refusing To Film Same-Sex Weddings

>>127424039
>business must accept ALL customers

since when? also why!?

>>127424426
They have the right to refuse but they can't discriminate is the argument at least

>>127424426
Yeah wtf, I was just in a shop that had the "We Reserve The Right To Refuse Service To ANYONE" sign, since when did ANYONE exclude trans/fag/niggers/anyone?

>>127424426
Kind of similar to the logic that since the 1960's in America you have to seat Black customers at restaurants.

>>127424558
Yeah if someone is being disruptive or is inappropriately dressed you can refuse service but Minnesota has a state law saying you cannot refuse service to people just because they are gay.

The typical argument of ADF in defending these cases is that bakers and videographers are creative professionals and thus forcing them to serve all customers limits their creative license.

>>127424569
So does that mean I can beligerantly enter a buisiness with no shoes or shirt, and demand service based on the fact that I identify as a Xir?

Should've went to a muslim video company

>>127424528
Well they will refuse gays on a case by case basis, like how Japan does with foreigners buying property. You can apply, but you won't be accepted. The only way they could prove it's discrimination is if they were trying to set you up, which would give you a valid reason not to serve them after the court case.

>>127424039
when is the racewar again?

>>127424631
What a gay law, I always took those signs at face value and imagined the chinese buisiness owners of chinese food places with those signs throwing out niggers and what not.

libturds get to refuse men watching wonder woman on premiere night but christians can't refuse faggot orgy porn taping

>>127424660
No because you wouldn't be following the No shoe no shirt no service sign.

>>127424794
I never included such sign in my hypothetical scenario, just used the words to invoke the imagery.

>>127424039
>>127424039
Being a fag isn't a protected class

>>127424660
if they don't allow you service and you have a visible disability like gayness or blackness, and not an invisible one like narcolepsy or chronic pain, then they can bitch and whine and a (((charity))) will give their dumb ass some coin for it.

>>127424660
Nope because if they are denying you service primarily on you being disruptively dressed than that is the main factor for their service refusal, not your gender or sexuality.

>>127424688
Well the interesting thing about this case is that no actual same-sex couple tried to procure services from these videographers so this case is a pre-emptive strike if you will.

>>127424847
Not federally under the Civil Rights Act (although there are cases pending arguing that gays fall under the sex discrimination provision):

http://www.metroweekly.com/2017/05/full-2nd-circuit-agrees-hear-gay-skydivers-employment-discrimination-lawsuit/

but state laws may choose to cover sexual orientation, and Minnesota is one of those states.

>>127424039
They both looks like homosexuals themselves.

>>127424039
Since when is a business not allowed to deny services to customers? I thought that was a basic right.

>>127424663
Underrated

>>127424970
Since the 1960's when the Civil Rights Act was passed. People act like these laws haven't applied in cases of religion, sex or race-based discrimination since the 1960's.

Did people forget Black sit-ins at diners in the 1950s?

>>127424970
>Germany
>no laws against racism
Like you're one to talk

>>127424956
What if part of me identifying as xir/shit/ben/it required the beligerant no shoes or shirtedness? Does that make me protected? Because making a devout christian videographer or cake maker work for disgusting degenerate faggots (in Montana no less) is about on the same level.

It's really fucked up that we live in a society that can't just tell you what you can't do, they somehow can also tell you what you MUST do. This is force and it's wrong.

>>127425119
Then your claim would fall under the same as their religious claim. If your personal beliefs require you to violate local/state/federal law they are no longer protected. When your personal beliefs impinge on the rights of others, they are no longer a personal freedom.

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>>127425077
Don't use Germany as a blueprint. Just because we are fucked doesn't mean your turn is okay-ish.

>>127424558
I guess they don't consider themselves people.

Why can't these companies just say "Oh dang sorry we have a scheduling conflict, let me refer you to someone i know."

Like, the only way they can prove they are denying because of same sex marriage, is if they outright say "We don't want to service a same sex marriage."

>>127425214
It's been this way since the 1960s. Barry Goldwater, the best Jew we've ever had, tried to stop it but LBJ pulled all the proto-SJW punches and demonized him as a racist and crazy person.

>>127425258
Because generally the Christians running the company are proud of their discriminatory beliefs and display them openly for these cases to come to a court hearing.

>>127425206
>To go to different places

No one is forcing these folks to take a boat, they have the choice to sit still on an island all day long if they wish.

>>127424631
they should take it to the supreme court. people need to fucking litigate this shit to help destroy islam and sjw stuff. like if business can't refuse then people need to become "nazi" go into liberal business and get them shutdown when they're kicked out

>>127425182
So how is forcing a buisiness owner to bend to your "personal beliefs" when they are clearly impinging on the right of the buisiness owners pursuit of happiness? Forcing a buisiness owner to go against their religious beliefs, in a nation of religious freedom.

>>127425182
Their beliefs aren't violating the rights of anyone else. No one has a right to have their fucking scene filmed.

If one's religion forbids such acts
, why must they be forced to partake in such acts? Murica'

These people are dumb.

Why did you refuse service?

>They are gay.

When all they need to do is say

>No comment.

>>127424631
I hate this fucking state.

>>127425308
Generally christians are proud to adhere to their religious doctrine, just like muslims are proud to practice sharia right? Why is it only bad when white christians do it? (BTW i thought the buisiness owners were the lesbian couple at first glance)

>>127425601
Nah if muslims are allowed to profess their distaste for alcohol and scantily clad women in their neighborhoods, white christian buisiness owners should surely be allowed to refuse filming a dyke wedding.

>>127424039
have we had anyone try to make leftists cater for a KKK rally yet?

>>127424039
why not just go to another person?

What if it were a Jewish or a Muslim video ? Would they be sued ?

Pro tip : no

>>127425601
mudslimes can not use their religion and can't be touched cause of it but christians are fucked?
where are the sjw forcing mudslimes to say xir and bake them gay cakes at the their mosques? nowhere?

this is just an attack on christians. nobody on the left wants a fair and equal society they want to fuck white christian men over

>>127425710
>implying muslims can ban drinking or dressing like a slut in their neighborhoods in the US

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Meanwhile in Poland...

Translation:

WARNING!
Pub comso is not for the leftists
We do not serve criminals from the INjustice system (judges,curators, prosecutors)
All forms of communists (Multiculti, multisex, green party, gender people etc)
Co-workers and supporters of various criminal groups (all govt agencies listed here)

>>127424039
>both sides are optimistic after a hearing

Why?

>>127425443
Because your personal beliefs do not entitle you to violate local, state, or federal laws. People had argued their religious beliefs required them to racially segregate their businesses in the 1960's and before and those arguments did not hold up in court either.

>>127425376
The Supreme Court recently deferred on whether to take on the infamous Colorado gay cake case. They have yet to settle what is not a dispute between two appeals courts, one, the 7th, has said that the Civil Rights act covers sexual orientation, whereas other circuits have ruled that it does not:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/us/civil-rights-act-gay-workers-appeals-court.html?_r=0

>>127425458
People have a right, under the 14th Amendment, to enjoy public accommodations and the services they offer, and access to them equally.

>>127425614
It is equally bad when Muslims do it.

>>127424039

I don't understand how you can compel businesses to render services they don't want to.

Government functions? Sure.

Private businesses? No.

>>127425836
Can bakers refuse to make gay cakes in the UK? It's not what I'm directly implying, just an easy off the top of the head argument to make. You never see any sort of pushback unless it's white christians "victimizing" an "underprivledged" class.

I thought it was a porn company at first and they were forced to film gay sex.

>>127424039
This is what you get for legalizing gay marriage

>>127425986
So then let's go back to the orginal argument I made, denying anyone service for anything is immoral because any individual is capable of having their own system of beliefs, and for a system of a beliefs to have priority over another is wrong.

>>127426131

Why would you want service from someone who doesn't want to give it to you?

>>127426001
Private businesses open to the public are subject to the terms of the Civil Rights act as well as any local or state anti-discrimination ordinances. I don't know why this is such a surprise. Businesses haven't been able to refuse service to Christians or Blacks since the 1960's. This isn't new, just the idea that these laws apply to gay people is somewhat new.

>>127426014
No

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/ashers.bakery.refuses.to.bake.another.gay.cake/108263.htm

>>127426131
You would have to ban anti-discrimination ordinances at the local, state, and federal level in that case as well as overturn a heap of existing judicial precedent on that issue.

Should doctors in a life-threatening situation be able to deny service to a patient because of their appearance or assumed beliefs/identity?

>>127426213
I wouldn't but the individual I was addressing argued that in some circumstances denying service is justifiable wherin others it is not.

>>127426275
Yes, doctors who hold those beliefs should work at institutions that allow them that freedom. I however feel that most people who enter the medical profession probably don't hold those beliefs.

Laws and precedent asided where exactly do you personally stand on the issue so that I know how to address the argument.

>>127426606
So doctors should be allowed to let people die if they don't like the country that person is from or their gender?

>>127426725
Yes, if they can find employment at a hospital that will allow them to operate on that premise. A doctor that is involved in life saving procedures is not ussually a buisiness owner anyways.

>>127426819
Well I feel that doctors should have to help everyone who needs help so we will just have to agree to disagree on that one.

>>127426275

>Businesses haven't been able to refuse service to Christians or Blacks since the 1960's

Yeah, not for that specific reason.

But you're high if you think they don't.

>>127424558

I'm going to post a sign saying I am the president of the USA at my work tomorrow.

Signs are always valid, enforceable, and true.

That said, this is obviously a christian filming company. The couple is being dildos for forcing the issue -UNLESS- there is literally no one else in business they can contact.

The company is also being dildos. If you want to run a public business, fine, fucking run it. For the public. Not "Everyone except these fuckers that I just personally dislike." Fuck you.

Everyone concerned in this is a dicksucking homofag.

>>127427068
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88–352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) is a landmark civil rights and US labor law in the United States[5] that outlaws discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.[6] It prohibited unequal application of voter registration requirements, racial segregation in schools, employment, and public accommodations.

Powers given to enforce the act were initially weak, but were supplemented during later years. Congress asserted its authority to legislate under several different parts of the United States Constitution, principally its power to regulate interstate commerce under Article One (section 8), its duty to guarantee all citizens equal protection of the laws under the Fourteenth Amendment and its duty to protect voting rights under the Fifteenth Amendment. The Act was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on July 2, 1964, at the White House.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

I think you are high.

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>>127426039

Well it is customary for the bottom to put the cock ring on his master at the ceremony.

>>127427102
Well nobody actually ever asked them to film a same-sex wedding so they are choosing to virtue signal. They could easily just say they would do it knowing that few people are going to come to a religious filming company for a gay wedding.

>>127425096

Came here to post this

>>127427210

I stand corrected, i shouldnt try to read while drunk.

Reread, company is dildos. They could just start serving select churches rather than the general public and solve the issue that way.

>>127426974
Yeah I disagree
>>127427102
See this is where my gripe lies, "public buisiness". What do you mean by that even? Are buisinesses not allowed private matters? Corporations are treated as people legally, why are they not afforded the same rights? The owners are being perfectly reasonable, they are in the buisiness of wedding videography, not degenerate facebook moments to like and share and possibly habe their buisinesses name tarnished by. You can't just open a bank account anywhere you want, you can't join a women's gym, what makes this special? Gays?

>>127427374
So reading through the case, the couple chose to sue the Minnesota state government preemptively, without ever being forced/penalized to film a same-sex wedding saying their first amendment rights are being compromised by the existence of Minnesota's anti-discrimination ordinance regarding sexual orientation.

So yes, they are virtue signaling.

>>127427126

>I think you are high.

You'd be right, my man.

Why else would I play double's abdicate on this shit?

>>127424039
These fucking queers seriously just go around finding places they can stir shit up at to get some faggy fucking press for their gay agenda.
Businesses should 100% reserve the right to deny service arbitrarily.

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>>127427783
I am sorry to be the baron of bad news, but you seem buttered, so allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies, and are more than just ice king on the cake. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite.

So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality.

I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the fax, instead of making a half-harded effort. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it's a peach of cake.

>>127427600
And? They just happen to be signaling admirable wholesome virtues.

>>127427891
Well it wasn't like a gay couple asked them to shoot their wedding, they declined because of religious beliefs, and were fined and are fighting that. Their challenge is purely hypothetical so I question whether they even have standing to sue.

>>127427826

Remember you said than when islam takes over and you can't buy food anywhere because you are takbir scum.

Karma is a bitch

>>127425096
anarcho-tyranny

>>127426275
Turns out you're right. The anti-discrimination laws pretty enforce that you can't discriminate based on colour, religion or sexual preference. Fucking sucks, but is what it is.

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>>127424039
Your headline seems to be clickbait lies

I don't see any thing about them being asked to film a gay wedding..

they are trying to sue pre-emptively which I don't think you can do until someone tries to force you to film a gay wedding

aka they are attention whores whining about a problem they dont have

>>127427957
You can sue for anything, having a "standing to sue" is what is determined in court. In my opinion this lawsuit is a perfect opportunity to draw more attention back to this issue in todays slightly renewed political climate.

>>127424039
Vid very much related.
https://youtu.be/otD52qwC9xw?t=135

Goto 2:15

>>127428051
No they sued the state for potentially having to film gay marriages asking that the law preventing discrimination against gays be overturned and their legal costs be compensated. ADF is doing this in multiple states (Alliance Defending Freedom).

There is a big battle between conservative Christian interests trying to strike down local and state sexual orientation anti-discrimination ordinances (Texas, North Carolina) as well as a bunch of challenges in various states claiming that the federal Civil Rights Act includes sexual orientation by extension of its sex discrimination prevention, and the Supreme Court has yet to rule on that or even whether gays are a suspect class (a group commonly facing discrimination).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspect_classification

>>127427997

>implying he wont just pay jizya

>>127428277
I'm not a lawyer but I'm fairly certain that the court is not going to let a case go forward about potentially having to do something..this is one of the basic tenets of the legal system

>>127425986
This is media, it is art. You have to be fully into a project, and being a Christian you can see he would have a problem with glorifying a sinful act.
So it would not be possible for him to give them a quality product.

>>127428721

Oh no, someone had to work for someone they didn't approve of on a work order they didn't like.

Woe is fucking you.

>>127428570
Well they have let cases go through (at least initially) where gay people sued Christian businesses when the gay people hadn't actually been denied service by those institutions. Not sure if those lawsuits fully got through though but yes, definitely some issues with standing here.

>>127428721
Well that has been the ADF's argument that photography, film, and baking are art and therefore not subject to laws regarding public accommodation but that has not worked in courts in the past

see: Masterpiece Cakeshop case

http://aclu-co.org/court-cases/masterpiece-cakeshop/

and

https://scottfillmer.com/2008/07/06/christian-photographer-refused-gay-wedding/

Think about these cases reframed in terms of race. If I run a restaurant and say because I am a chef my food is art that doesn't enable me to refuse service to Black customers so why should this be any different?

>>127428878
>hadn't actually been denied service by those institutions.
If they hadn't been denied services then how would they know to sue????????????????????????????????????????

If you can't show harm you don't have standing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law)

potentially having to do somthing in theory if it ever came up is not harm

>>127429022
I have no idea how this case would go through but apparently the Alliance Defending Freedom has tried this more than once.

>>127428814
Lol proslavery argument. I don't think they gave consent. Just let people chose, if people hate it that they don't make all the hypo sensitive gays happy all the time, they will lose their costumer base. But that does not look like that will happen

>>127426819
They wouldn't be doctors then. The Hypocratic (?) Oath basically demands that they serve anyone, even if they can't pay. If this kind of thing bothers you I don't think you're really cut out to be a doctor.

>>127429414

Fuck those guys. If you say you service weddings, and someone comes up and says "Hey service my wedding" and you reply "Well no because we don't like YOUR wedding"...well now you're a liar, an asshole, or both. Honestly they deserve to get smacked for that alone.

>>127429645
Well I pretty much agreed with you so thanks for posting.

>>127429654
Interesting to me is that in none of these cases did the business explicitly offer signage or information that they only service certain types of customers prior to the lawsuit happening.

>>127429654
What is wrong with saying you don't meant to service someone's (anything)? This is not a government service.

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>>127429723
Any time my dude

>>127429749
>http://aclu-co.org/court-cases/masterpiece-cakeshop/

>Interesting to me is that in none of these cases did the business explicitly offer signage or information that they only service certain types of customers prior to the lawsuit happening.

>"Masterpiece owner Jack Phillips informed them that because of his religious beliefs the store’s policy was to deny service to customers who wished to order baked goods to celebrate a same-sex couple’s wedding."

Wat.

>>127429654
Fuck you. If you say you service weddings, and some shitty dyke comes up and says "Hey service my degenerate dyke facebook like fest" and you reply "fuck off". . . well now you're perfectly within your rights, and anyone who says otherwise can fuck right of and not get serviced, or both. Honestly neck 'urself, faggot.

>>127429974
He never had a sign saying that or put that on his website or something. The people seeking the cake in this case did not do so (I believe) knowing he was a Christian baker they just wanted a cake and he said no, I'm Christian so I can't.

>>127424039
>2020
>go out on a walk.
>minding my own business.
>gay guy walks up to me and drops his pants.
>"suck my dick and I'll give you 20 dollars"
>call the cops.
>they arrest me for refusing to serve him.
Thanks Obama.

Why hasn't anyone in the US tried going to a super liberal cake shop and asking for a cake that says something like "I believe in traditional marriage" or "Marriage is between a man and a woman only" and if they refuse say they're bigoted?

>>127430360
http://time.com/3772884/colorado-baker-refuses-anti-gay-cakes/

Last year, William Jack asked Denver's Azucar Bakery for two bible-shaped cakes featuring images of groomsmen crossed out with a red "X" and phrases like "Homosexuality is a detestable sin. Leviticus 18.2," local ABC station NEWS7 Denver reports. The bakery's owner, Marjorie Silva, told Jack she would make the bible-shaped cakes and provide icing for him to add his own message, but she wouldn't apply such "hateful and offensive" messages because her bakery "does not discriminate."

Jack complained to the Colorado Civil Rights Division, accusing Silva of denying him goods or services based on his religion. But the agency recently ruled that Silva's refusal to make the cakes was motivated by the "derogatory language and imagery," and not because of religious discrimination. "In the same manner [she] would not accept [an order from] anyone wanting to make a discriminatory cake against Christians, [she] will not make one that discriminates against gays," the ruling stated. Last year, the agency ruled that another bakery in the state could not refuse a gay couple's request for a wedding cake.

Silva, who is Catholic and whose bakery in the past has made cakes for Christian holidays that featured religious imagery, said she was pleased to learn she was "not [only] morally right but also legally right."

>>127430025

No, fuck you. Your personal opinion on the marriage is secondary, because however much it may hurt you in your butthole (like your pastor did when you were little) to be reminded of the fact homos can get a special retard ceremony too, they still get it. Deal with it, or go out of business.

Preferably go out of business, if they're going to act like petulant children.

The greatest mistake the USA has ever made is not punishing homosexuality by death.

>>127430596

I hardly think that outweighs importing so many niggers, anon.

>>127430494
No faggot, you don't still get your ceremony. King nigger is out of office and your kind are crying in agony over that fact every day. If you want your dyke wedding facebook viddys, go to a proprieter of a faggy dyke facebook like video buisiness, don't try to change laws so that normal human beings have to serve your self centered demonic hedonistic sex rituals. Faggots weddings aren't a real thing, and if you want to pretend they are find a buisiness who is willing to play along, don't force normal people to put up with your degeneracy. Not everyne likes the smell of your farts just because you do, you selfish little faggot.

>>127428878
Could they, instead of saying they don't do gays weddings, bump the price for gay wedding 100 trillion. So it would be slightly costly for them to be trolled?

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>>127431100
There is no need to be upset.

>>127431191
I'm sure all of these ideas were tried in the Civil Rights era against Blacks and failed so why would they work now? Equal access to public accommodations means just that.

>>127431262
I'm fairly jovial atm, got Drake-Passionfruit on.

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Wow, truly land of the free.

>>127431100
Cali still has prop 8 on the books. Not a bad argument saying, look here it's between a man and a woman, but I am not a lawyer.

>>127431348
>listening to nigger-jew hybrid "music"

>hates gays

https://youtu.be/O8lFeVfYw_s

>>127431403
Things are changing though:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/2017-legislature/amended-gay-marriage-bill-approved-in-nevada-senate/

Nevada just made it clear in its constitution that it supports gay marriage in case the courts change their mind.

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>>127431262
>I'm sure all of these ideas were tried in the Civil Rights era against Blacks and failed so why would they work now? Equal access to public accommodations means just that.

The bigots just never stop..picking new targets when one becomes socially acceptable.. crying "mah relgion"

If they ever pass one of these "relgious freedom bills" nationwide I for one am going to find the most ridiclous over the top nation of islamer who works for the goverment and doesn't want to serve the white devils because of their region..and donate lots of money to their legal defense .. it's gonna be gold

>>127431403
The law's the law right (to the faggots). I a CA fag too and voted for 8. (Fag in the 4chan brotherly sense)

>>127431521
Oh yeah absolutely the arguments of Christian conservatives will backfire in some fashion in light of Islam at some point.

>>127425838
i loved poland

If i had the choice i'dmove to either Poland or Hungary when Australian get too over run.

>>127431419
Listen don't get me wrong I don't hate gays, I'm christian after all. I just don't like when these types of people try to dictate what wholesome ordinary people should be mandated to do. Homosexuality is a mental illness, like transgenderism. I don't hate people for being sick, I hate them for trying to make others sick.

>>127425838
Could you please kindly translate?

I don't speak vodka.

http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/160774,14-million-Polish-children-living-in-poverty

>>127431701
If gays want to be wholesome they need to get married and have kids more often and fuck anyone who would try to get in the way of that, Christian or otherwise.

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>>127431701

Also, you clearly hate gays, lel.

>>127431701
True, just don't like the mentally ill voting

>>127431584
Islam is not going to be good for the gays

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>>127431584
Not sure how familiar you are with Nation of Islam..but its like "islam" for african americans but it's quite different with some very odd differences that make it comedy gold for this situation

Like pic related..It's Jakub who is.. something in the faith.. he is a black large brained scientist from way back when.. he created white people as "white devils"

>>127431100

>No faggot, you don't still get your ceremony.
Factually incorrect nigger.
>King nigger is out of office
Good
>your kind are crying in agony over that fact every day.
My kind is crying over the fact that apophis hasn't hit yet.
>don't try to change laws so that normal human beings have to serve your self centered demonic hedonistic sex rituals.
1. They did more than try.
2. The ones with your viewpoint are, thankfully, not the norm.
>Accusing others of being self centered
>M-MUH SPESHUL SNOWFLAKE RULEBOOK PROTECTS ME FROM HAVING TO BEHAVE!!!11`~
Wew.
>Faggots weddings aren't a real thing,
No, not at all like the smith`s 15 minute ceremony at a drive through in vegas the same day as they both finalized the divorce their previous partners. That union was far more sacred in the eyes of your god, i'm sure.
>and if you want to pretend they are find a buisiness who is willing to play along
It must bother you terribly that, very shortly, that will be "All of them."
> don't force normal people to put up with your degeneracy. Not everyne likes the smell of your farts just because you do, you selfish little faggot.
Ordinarily I wouldn't give a shit who marries who, I want no part of it. You "regular folk" have proven resoundingly that you view the institute of marriage about as sacred as a drunk naked redneck named Bud sleeping in his own vomit, and that's fine with me. You even allowed divorce and family courts to destroy any practical secular value the practice might've had too. But then trying to turn around and cry about it when it looks like other people who might treat it with more respect than you get access?

Yea, nah. You're a cunt.

>>127432013
Religion in general is declining in interest in the West. I don't even think a massive importation of shitskins could change that. We have the internet and nothing destroys religion faster than free information sharing.

>>127432102
Yeah I've heard of it.

>>127432112
Thank you for being in my thread.

>>127431701
>Homosexuality is a mental illness, like transgenderism.
BACK IT UP

MENTAL ILLNESS????????????????????????????????????????

ADA APPLIES

Can't deny services for disabilities. You gonna have to set up gay friendly accommodations in your bake shop now to make sure it's equal access

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>>127424663
wasn't there a muslim who sued a company for making him transport beer?

>>127431834
Yes, they need to stop being gay and get married (man + woman = marriage) and live like god intended. And before I get to far into doubles advocate territory, yes I consider myself christian, but i haven't been to church in 10 year and voted obama twice then voted trump, i smoke weed, do other drugs rarely and am a degenerate internat addict alchoholic myself, i'm not throwing stones, just passing natural judgement.

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>>127432347
Unfortunately, you don't get to run other people's lives.

>>127432232
The caps at the beginning of your reply speak for themselves tranny.

>>127432411
I guess, I'm not super mad about it like I said. We're just sharing our opinions man.

>>127431872
OK, so where was the fetus's choice? Not sure what the IQ you need to use contraceptive is..

>>127432102
Lol

The fags could just find another company. They did this just to make a controversy.

Why would you even insist to deal with a company now that you know that they dont like you?

And the company could just say that they are overbooked.

>>127432696
Fetus's are not people. Until it is separated from the woman's body it is dependent on another person for life.

>>127432733
Literally the Christians did this for controversy when 0 gay couples had approached them for their services.

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>>127432733
read the article and flip around your whole statement princess

there are no fags...it's some people who own a video camera and claim to operate a video business who are complaining about something that never happened but could possibly

>>127424039
Make a Jewish baker draw a swastika and sue if they refuse

>>127433045
How dumb/high are you that you think that would win in court? Fucking dumb chinks, you will be next on the gay agenda:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-milestone-decision-taiwan-court-rules-in-favor-of-same-sex-marriage/2017/05/24/bf7aa370-405b-11e7-9851-b95c40075207_story.html

>>127432785
>Literally the Christians did this for controversy when 0 gay couples had approached them for their services.
I feel like you're trying to crack some sort of consensus here or something?

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>>127433131
>implying /pol/ comes to any sort of consensus ever

>>127432411

>Unfortunately, you don't get to run other people's lives.

Except we should. You modernists like to pretend that everyone exists on their own isolated island, where nothing you do can possibly negatively affect those around you. But you're wrong... literally everything you do has an effect on someone else, for better or for worse.

With regard to homosexuality, we are talking about something that is objectively bad for society. Homosexual marriage has the effect of normalizing homosexuality. Legalizing it therefore allows its proliferation.

And people wonder why the West is failing.

>>127424039
This is why business owners are going to start being more crass with why they aren't serving a certain segment. Instead of simply saying you're gay, they'll just say they aren't serving you because you're fucking ugly or some shit like that.

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>>127433219
well you've got better meme folders than me thats for sure

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>>127433120

The cancer of modernism spreads...

>>127433266
What, no. Your right to individual freedom, religious or otherwise, ends where it starts impinging on the freedom of others.

Homosexual marriage and adoption grants gays the ability to form families and escape social stigma. Anyone denying that simply wants to reap the benefits of the artificially-induced primacy they had over gays for many years. You had power over gays as second class citizens, you lost it in your greed for fucking over innocent people to preserve your own power.

>>127432102
> BOY
> Biological Youth Organism
EVERY
TIME

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>>127433337
And of course he happens to consider himself well-born.

Politics are a matter of self interest and you are shocked that people different from you would want to assert their own?

>>127424039
RIGHT TO REFUSE

>forcing someone to serve against their will
that's straight up slavery.

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>>127433311
weak memes sweetie

>>127433492

>Your right to individual freedom, religious or otherwise, ends where it starts impinging on the freedom of others.

Rights-based systems. Yawn.

>>127433556
If you pay attention to nature it's objecively true. Introspectively look at it, what you're advocating for is bad for humanity and within yourself you know it because it is true.

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>>127433849
OMG Gurrrrl I have a place you will love,

no rights, no rules.

Christians don't want to deal with fags
>fucking bigot you're gonna film their weddings and bake their cakes

Richard Spencer is banned from a gym
>private companies have a right to refuse service if they choose to

That inconsistency

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>>127433907
>just think harder and you will learn to hate people for their inborn traits

You are right. You seem like an evil niblet fuck and nothing I can say or do will change you.

>>127433989
Actually that is sensible, I think the woman in that case created a disturbance and he should have been allowed to remain at his gym.

>>127433918
rights =/= rules sweetie honey

>>127433266

>Except we should.
Except you shouldn't. So far no one`s "Grand plan for humanity" has worked out, and I doubt yours is any more inspired. But hey, we will sure wind up with a whole lot of dead people by the end, that's good right?

>With regard to homosexuality, we are talking about something that is objectively bad for society.

The objective ill for society is, what, exactly? Do homosexuals not work? Do they not stop bullets as well as a family man (Better, in fact, as the homosexual doesn't leave an entire family without a provider should he stop a bullet.) Do homosexuals not have the ability to contribute scientifically? Entertain? Build?

Do they spread disease? Yes, this can happen. It happens because they're generally fucking promiscuous. There is no commitment here, if there was..well STDs would have a lot harder time getting around. Kinda one of the advantages of straight marriages. If you want the disease factor minimized I would think you would advocate homosexuals forming committed relationships. At that point it's a self solving problem, it's not like they can breed.

>>127434027
Aren't you hating me for an inborn trait right now?

>>127433556

That politics is about self interest I don't deny. That's precisely the problem with politics.

USA is such a degenerate shit hole. Even with free speech, guns and a guy like Trump in Office they cant get their shit together

>>127434171
Being an asshole is not yet a protected class under Minnesota state law.

>>127434194
So what matters is how honest people are about representing their own self interests and not somehow claiming that it is the best for everyone.

>>127433918

Typical modernist mindset. Can only think in dichotomies.

You know there are more modes of social organization than rights-based systems and complete anarchy, right?

>>127434194
It's not really a problem, something about entrophy, stronger things collide with weaker things, and win over. Stong eat weak meat. It's a common thread for a reason.

>>127434320
Yes there is one where only straight white males who are Christian get to set the rules and it doesn't exist anymore.

Like could you be any more vague?

>>127424039
I don't hate non-flamboyant gays, but this is fucked up. How can you sue someone for NOT doing something like this?

>>127434308
Oh nevermind i thought your original insult was more direct, when in actuality you were just recoiling. Carry on then I won't help your shitty slide thread anymore if that's what you want.

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>>127434538
>everything I don't like is a slide thread

>>127433274
Owners should be able to. If you go into a store without shoes you get kicked out.

I am tired of gays wanting Christians to acknowledge them. We don't care if you are gay, it's just like any other sin, lying, stealing, ect.

>>127427102
You've clearly never owned a business in the US. The fire dept. alone has a list of insane regulations. You can not put up a sign like that and, if false, not get hit with a massive regulatory fine and potential loss of license.

That sign in question is very common BECAUSE it's legal.

>>127434655
>Every meme I recognize is worth posting about
Okay that was the last freebie though.

Also, last word faggot.

>>127434429

I am not being vague at all.

For the vast majority of recorded human history, societies were duty-based. Not that I would expect you to know that. It's inconvenient to the Whig narrative.

By the by, societies run by white Christian males were the most successful.

>>127425206
>Netherlands has no roads.
That sounds like a load of bullshit to me.

>>127434691
I am tired of Christians trying to discriminate against gays in the ways they previously tried to discriminate against Blacks because gays are less socially acceptable than Blacks currently. Cut it the fuck out.

>>127434813
Wait till you see how successful societies run by gays are :)

>go to America
>go to a kosher bakery
>demand they bake me a cake with a Shinto swastika
>they refuse
>sue them for religious discrimination

>>127431786
How many American children live in poverty?

>>127434870
I'm tired of you pretending to be an outraged gay man in order to get (You)'s from "christians". It was fun larping with you faggot. G'night.

>>127434917
I doubt you can outjew a jew.
>Hire jew lawyer
>You lose
>hey goyim pay up and you have to pay the jew and his jew lawyer

>>127434923
15 million out of 324 million total

vs
1.4 million out of 38 million total

>>127435089
The Jew fears the samurai.

>>127425308
Fuck off faggot

>>127434813

>By the by, societies run by white Christian males were the most successful.

White and Asian dominated societies pretty much eclipse everyone else in general, anon.

>>127424039
I hate fags so fucking much. They pretend to be opressed when people call them out for being degenerates, and then they do shit like this and seek out companies they know won't approve of them. I have a couple of gays in my family, and now I know why we burned them.

>>127435248
Well if you engage them in your homeland, but try to pull it off in America, you'll get ganked by jews.

>>127434204
Americans are delusional about the state of their country. Even here on this "redpilled" board they are bluepilled as can be.

>>127435306
It is Christians pretending to be oppressed in this instance, goyfriend.

>>127435306

>They sought out
Literally 0 gays sought this company out for video services.
> now I know why we burned them.
Hate being outsmarted that badly, eh?

>>127424039

>Movie theatres can have women-only screenings of Wonder Woman
>But other private businesses can't refuse to make deals with homosexuals

Can a liberal plz explain?

>>127427102
It doesn't matter whether they should be offering service to everyone or not, the problem here is that they're being told they legally cannot refuse service to someone, which is fucking absurd. If I want to refuse service to anybody, for any reason, then I should be allowed to, because it's my fucking business and my loss of their money.

>>127435501

The women-only screenings is bullshit too, anon.

>>127435442
Yes I'm pretty sure every figured out you're a slimey kike by now. Why the bait and switch thread title, the pretending to be an outraged gay man, the flat out insulting and attempting to belittle whites and/or christians? What is the agenda here?

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Anyone who is against property owners reserving the right to refuse service to anyone is a communist and needs to be shot.

Escpecially because even in this case it's fucking sodomites trying to force Christians into catering to their abominable horseshit "marriages". So this isn't even a case of "well I like them so fuck the principle" and if you do support these fags you're probably a faggot yourself.

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>>127435555
fuck it, I'm gonna check my own digits, because goddamn

>>127434850
Reading comprehension. Giethoorn, a small village, has no roads. It's often called Dutch Venice.

>>127435555
you shoulda let it come natural, I observed the power of the digits, I was just waiting for the kike to reply maybe

>>127435555
The digits....

>>127435555

>If I want to refuse service to anybody, for any reason, then I should be allowed to

Sure, want away. But you go from "Wanting" to doing, and the reasons why you did that are going to come into question and you might find yourself getting kicked in the fucking teeth.

Deny service to someone because they're black, see what happens.

I mean, technically I guess you're right. It is your fucking business and your loss of money, but it might be a lot more loss of money than you thought.

>>127436052
>Deny service to someone because they're black
That's why you don't tell them you're denying them for being black. You tell them you're denying them because they have a bad haircut or smelly feet or some shit like that.

>>127436052
I yeah I forgot to call you out for using two IDs in one thread too you little weasel. You gotta switch up the formatting brah.

>>127435501
IDK why people keep sperging out over the wonder women thing but I imagine if someone sued it would be illegal

>>127436052
I don't even know what your point is here. If I refuse service to a nigger, call him a nigger, and tell him to get out, I'll get beat up? Okay, but again, that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the legal right to refuse service to people. The reason it's illegal to discriminate isn't because niggers were beating people up, it's because people found it morally wrong. Which is fucking stupid. My point is that the government shouldn't be looking into whether I refuse service to a certain group of people or not because it's not their business and doesn't affect them.

>>127436052
You sound really tough.Now go be Democrat somewhere else.

Shoo shoo.

>>127436189

>That's why you don't tell them you're denying them for being black.

He sees the light. And if the situation is such that they can't prove you're full of shit, you even get away with it.

>>127436052
OK, so I never understood this. Why not deny service if someone has a different height,
eye color, laugh or (whatever). If you are the owner, you decide. Yeah, you will get hit with a bad rep, but making it illegal, why?

>>127436435
No, calling you a nigger isn't illegal yet either everywhere you dumb nigger. Go be a nigger somewhere else.

>>127424039
Gay

>You can't discriminate with customers
Why the fuck is this a thing? If I don't want to sell my services to you then fuck off, go buy from my competitor you cunt. Stop meddling in the economy.

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>>127425321
True my niggerian prince friend, how dare they discriminate against us NEETs with this vile meme.

>>127436530

That really should be obvious. It's better for government for you to NOT be selecting to ignore customers, and if additionally a bunch of those people get together and start voting, certain things are going to become matters of law.

More LGBT persecution of Christians dressed up as civil rights. Burn those fags at the stake.

>>127425321
Best post

>>127434850
Irish people can speak neither English nor Irish. Sad!

>>127434917
You may get away with that as long as you're not white.

>>127436770
>should be obvious
OK calm down comrade. Explain why, don't start assuming we read the same books.

>>127436725
Thank St. Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. (pbuh) for destroying freedom of association and not allowing you to do a damn thing about disruptive niggers and faggots ruining your business, forcing you to do things you don't want to do, chasing respectable customers away, etc.

Having said that, aren't there technically ways around this? For instance, let's say they set up their wedding services through the church. Church doesn't allow fag marriage, even if fags can go technically get married over at the courthouse. So if all services go through the church, then that would make it so they only end up servicing straight christian weddings, right?

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>>127436725

It's slavery, gang.

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>>127436770
oh shut the fuck up. so now we need to regulate what people do otherwise too many people who think like that will come together and one day change the country? hmm that's funny, kind of like what liberalism has done?

you can't even smell your own bull shit. kill yourself pronto because you are part of the cancer destroying the world

>>127433333

>>127436052
>and you might find yourself getting kicked in the fucking teeth.
And I shoot you for assaulting me.
Good job you stupid nigger.

>>127437026
>>127436375

>My point is that the government shouldn't be looking into whether I refuse service to a certain group of people or not because it's not their business and doesn't affect them.

Except that it does. Directly. That thing called "Taxes" they aren't getting because you are refusing to sell to however many people.

They're now dealing with people who are pissed off that you called them a nigger and threw them out on the basis of their skin color. Enough of these people start getting other niggers (Or gays, or christians, or X) pissed off, they'll start voting and politicians will start losing jobs, income, and power.

It literally is their business and it directly effects them. You may think that the amount of effect is too small for them to take action over, and you might be right on that note, but you are pissing in their pool.

>>127435092
I hate to call bullshit on this.... but I highly highly doubt that poverty is defined the same way in both cases.

>>127437435
>threw them out on the basis of their skin color.
you do realize race goes way deeper than skin color right?

>>127437435
That's such a shit fucking argument. If it's the case that the government should regulate everything that affects the government, then we'd live in a fucking police state, which I can only assume is what you want.

>>127437685

>then we'd live in a fucking police state
News flash: You do. The interstate commerce clause has caused much of this bullshit.
>which I can only assume is what you want.
Then you would be retarded, see above. What I want is the asteroid to hit. Hopefully I will live just long enough to see you all die first.

>>127437435
Let's take this to its logical conclusion then. If government wants to maximize tax profits then governments should force citizens to buy these products. Hell let's just cut out the middleman and have the government take over every business and reap all the profits. Enjoy your communist shithole.

Kill yourself bootlicker.

>>127438139

Did you miss the last few years of the mandatory health insurance?
Do you drive a fucking car? What's that little piece of paper in the glovebox? What about your wallet?
Do you do any fucking sort of professional work? Got a government certification to do it?

You are a drooling moron if you think for one second they would not do exactly what you say if they thought they could get away with it.

>>127427126
>sex

I thought sex and gender weren't the same thing :^)

>>127438392
>>>127438392
>Did you miss the last few years of the mandatory health insurance?
Yes a policy that has been massively unpopular is a great example.
>Do you drive a car?
Shitty example as you're driving on public roads.
>Do you do any fucking sort of professional work? Got a government certification to do it?
What the fuck are you talking about? Private organizations hand out the overwhelming majority of certifications and aren't legally required.

What the hell are you even trying to argue here anyway?

>>127424039
LISTEN YOU FUCKING QUEERS. JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKE A COCK IN THE ARSE IT DOESNT MEAN YOU CAN MAKE PEOPLE DO THINGS THEY DONT WANT TO DO.

>>127439390
>all caps
>cliche talking points
>obviously didnt read the thread

wow what a worthless post

>>127426092
ubderrated

>>127439656
QUEER

>>127440019
CLAMMOSEXUAL