Terraforming Mars is virtually impossible

>>127418819
you're retarded. when you wake the heart up, the atmosphere will allow for what your pathetic mind thinks is "gravity"

>>127418819
dude we can't even land on mars, catch up dude.
NASA is lying.

>>127418819
Well duhh! Overpopulation needs to be solved SOMEHOW if they actually make a functioning second earth we'll just tax the shit out of it. A never ending pile of goy bodies will build us a tower to mars1

>>127418819
whatever happened to the marsone scam

>>127418819
Mars isn't even real you shill

>>127418819
We could just send some chinks and coal and it'll be terraformed within 100 years.

The Earth is flat, wake up SHEEPLE!

>>127418819
Nothing is impossible

with nukes.

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>>127418819
>When more people rather risk death on another planet than live in russia

>>127418819
>Terraforming Mars is virtually impossible

Of course it fucking is. Even Zod couldn't Terraform it

>>127419007
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>>127419153
>>127419163
>>127419428
>>127419481
We need to look elsewhere.

Also, the population below age 14 hasn't really grown for 25 years.

>>127418819
>We have enough space in Siberia
>We
Fuck off, Hans, settle immigrants in your own land.

>>127418819
The gravity is the least of our concerns.

Air pressure on Mars is below the Armstrong limit, the point at which water boils at 98.6 F

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>>127419644
Siberia is historically German clay.

>>127419644
Fuck off, Dimitri. Go stand in line for a loaf of bread, or whatever it is you poor slavs do these days.

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mars will be colonized and will begin to be terraformed in our lifetimes.
its basically australia 2 electric didgeridoo.

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>>127418819
I made SpaceX in order to do just that krautfag

>>127419757
Germany is historically US clay We bombed the fuck out of it, it's ours.

>>127418819

Don't forget that Mars is covered in poisonous perchlorates and has no magnetic field to prevent solar radiation from reaching the surface or its atmosphere from blowing away.

Mars is a shit choice for colonization.

>>127419690
Gravity is the only concern. Everything else (transforming the atmosphere and raising the temperature and getting water to Mars) can be solved. Gravity can not be solved. Just cannot.

>>127418819
Mo monies fo dem progremz, and shit, yo.

>>127419858
America is historically German clay. Most settlers in the US came from German territories. Give back that fake country of yours.

>>127419939

>>127419690
because no oxygen dumbass.

>>127420079

>>127418819
Natural selection and speciation *might* be the answer
Good article on the gravity/ radiation problem:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/06/low-gravity-and-high-radiation-would-humans-remain-human-on-mars/

>>127419886
Just wear heavier shoes. Dur.

>>127419950
They came not as envoys of the German empire, but were instead escaping it. So no, it is not German.
We kicked England's ass, Spain's ass, and bought the rest from France and Russia.

>>127420368
No, it might not. The point is not being able to mitigate the problem, the point is that settlers won't expose their kids to this environment - just won't.

>>127418819
low gravity means more building strength
we could build domes miles across

>>127419998
...you do realize our own atmosphere is mostly nitrogen, yes? very little oxygen.

>>127419950
hello fellow Preußen

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>>127420533
It would be better if you had joined us voluntarily... now we must take your country by force.

>>127420697
Traitor!

The best planet for colonizing is actually venus, it would only take a 100-200 years to get the atomsphere like earth's.

>>127420692
>20%
>very little

well apparently you havent been getting much

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>>127420692
whatever man, if the ratio of gases were the same the air pressure would be about the same.

>>127420804
>>127420804
>The best planet for colonizing is actually venus, it would only take a 100-200 years to get the atomsphere like earth's.
This man knows.

>>127420829
Yes, I know it's 20%. that's just a fifth of the total.

>>127420780
youre the traitor, america is a german country, we should have allied with Germany in WW1. Woodrow Wilson was a mistake and most likely a jewish puppet.

>>127420581
True, unless Earth's environment becomes even worse. Unfortunately that's the only thing that will decide a significant number of settlers to do that leap

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Check your gravity privilege you fucking kraut

>>127418819

>implying what we call earth isn't really the mars penal colony

This place has been excavated, then terra-formed. The stars never change their relative positions to each other. That's why we have constellations. They are lying to us about where we really are. Alex Jones is right about us being on a prison planet.

>>127419626
No we don't, your arguments are shit.

>>127418819
>even if they would not die on Mars, they could never withstand the higher gravity on Earth.
For the first native born generation of Mars colonists, getting to Earth will be as far off a dream as getting to Mars was for us when we first landed on the Moon.

>>127418819
>even if they would not die on Mars, they could never withstand the higher gravity on Earth.
For the first native born generation of Mars colonists, getting to Earth will be as far off a dream as getting to Mars was for us before we first landed on the Moon.

>>127419781
>ywn sleep on a comfy road like an abbo

>>127420804
True
Though you probably need to start with synthetic organisms, same as mars

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>>127418819
>We have enough space in Siberia to house another 30 billion people.

>>127420979
Next you'll be saying we should have allied with Hitler in WWII.

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>>127418819

>Mars
>Not Venus
kys

>>127418819
>We have enough space in Siberia to house another 30 billion people

No we fucking don't

>>127422179
Venus and Jesus?

>>127419552
Kek, true

>>127421798
Don't you know, room is all people need to live
I see it all the time when people insist Australia can take many more people Food, water and other resources actually aren't needed

>>127422179
mars is super small wtf? i thought it was half of earth not 1/4th

screw mars lets go to venus.

but isnt venus really hot and molten lava?

>>127422646
can't go to any planet with that defeatist attitude pal

>>127422646
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20030022668.pdf

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(((mars)))

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((((((mars))))))

>>127422590
Current population/ carrying capacity:
Aus 23m/ 40m
US 350m/ 600m
No, you still have resources
Open borders please

India 1350m/ 900m
Africa 1200m/ 1100m

>>127422179
> 92 times earth surface pressure
> Temperatures of over 400 degrees celcius
> Intensely caustic clouds

>>127423326
If you look that image up the RHS is a photoshop of the irish hill by flat earthers.
Silly conspiracy mong

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>>127423734
>outer space exists

>>127420804
You would have to spin up Venus retrograde rotation. It takes ages for one day to pass. You could either simulate "day" with a sun-shield (which you would be using to cool the planet down anyway) or nuke the fuck out of it with asteroids for a more permanent option.

Honestly though if we ever get to space we'll be doing mini-cylinder thingies that simulate gravity with centrifugal force. It's more economical and space efficient than living on planets.

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>>127423547

>what is terraforming.
https://www.universetoday.com/113412/how-do-we-terraform-venus/

>>127422179
>not terraforming the moon

>>127418819
Friendly reminder the ancient lava tubes bigger than some states can absolutely be compressed and do not hold the radiation the surface does, op is a shill trying to discredit the already present indentured slave manufacturing colonies already present controlled by corporations and elites. Check th em.

>>127423999
You aren't terraforming something that close to the sun. It's just not happening.

>>127419998
Mars has loads of oxygen. The problem is that it's all stuck to other stuff. What it lacks is nitrogen.

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>>127423994
>this is the most likely scenario for human space travel and colonies

>>127424151
Venus is not that close to the sun. It's possible that early in its history it had a similar climate to earth before experiencing a runaway greenhouse effect.

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>>127421852

Of coursh.

>>127424151

the earth is close to the sun too, so what its your point, the levels of toxic gases in venus makes the planet uninhabitable.

>>127418819
putting humans there is no joke either, given the core of mars is all retarded and shit, and doesn't produce a magnetic field, which means people get exposed to bad stuff coming from the sun and outer space; then there is the problem of getting people there in a space craft with no protection from radiation mentioned above

tl;dr politicians and enthusiasts like to talk about manned mars missions, but it ain't gonna happen when we could just send robots instead for a tiny fraction of the cost

>>127420760

It's understating the huge number of German/Swiss Mennonites and Amish in the eastern U.S.

>>127418819
It's core is dead. Only an idiot thinks they can put life there.

>>127424325
more like giant space wildlife reserves desu that serve as inter-solar taxis

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>>127419481
>implying nukes actually exist

>>127419644
Top kek

>>127418819
>We have enough space in Siberia to house another 30 billion people.

Canada, Siberia, and even Antarctica could be homes to colonies of whites-only Aryan bubble-cities using nuclear fission to heat everything.

>>127418819
pfft

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Who needs planets planets?

>>127422646
venus atmosphere is full of acid and disintegrates metals.

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>>127418819
Why would you spend all the effort required to escape a gravity well only to jump down another? Space habitats is where its at.

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>>127419780

>whatever it is you poor slavs do these days

electing us presidents

>>127419757

You mean Berlin is rightful russian clay

>>127419007
I'm usually pretty good at deciphering retardation but...

Wut?

>>127418819
Overpopulation is a meme problem. We have passed the peak oil. We won't be able to feed everyone very soon.
In 2050 earth population will be reduced to 1 billion and no one will care anymore about the space travel meme.

>>127418819
Who says we have to live on other planets? Making a rotating space station isn't a far stretch of sci-fi imagination. It will be practical in a couple decades.

>>127420760
Good luck, paper tiger.
>yfw US military stationed in Germany can lock down your country and defeat your military in a month.
>yfw you realize just how big and well armed America is.

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fortunately there's a much better solution

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We will colonize space with our american partners, all that shitskins and hwite yuropeans will suck terrestrial dick

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>>127424706
>(((venus)))

my fucking sides

>Atheists

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>>127418819
>siberia
>lebensraum

>>127424789
Even more people to support with earths resourses, great thinking Bob

>>127418819
there is no realistic way to solve overpopulation

we're gonna go extinct on earth

>>127418819

why would anyone born on mars want to go to earth. Do you want to go to jupiter?

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>>127418819
>We have enough space in Siberia to house another 30 billion people.
Great! It will come in handy.

>>127424912
>there is no realistic way to solve overpopulation
End welfare?

>>127424984
When people starve they riot and change the system. Welfare is the oppressors greatest tool

>>127420843
Gravity would have to be there to keep the gasses from escaping back into space, though.

>>127424707
That looks incredibly disorienting, uncomfortable, and bound to be destroyed by an asteroid.

>>127424912

If the earth has more humans than it can support, some of those humans will die, bringing the number back down to manageable levels.

It's a problem that literally solves itself

>>127418819
No one will go to settle on Mars.
When the real space age starts and interplanetary missions become cheap we will send our prisoners and criminals to settle.

>>127425140
This

Nature is a self regulating system that works under one law and one law only, cause and effect.

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>>127425140
i approve of this shitpost

>>127424867
SPACE MASTER RACE

>>127424784

>peak oil

>It'll happen in 1970.. ok 1975... ok 1985... ok 2000.... ok, 2017, this time it's definitely happening, I promise, pay no attention to low oil prices, we're way short on supply guys!

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>>127425105
>not understanding how easily the human mind/body can acclimatise to different environments
>not knowing about self-healing materials
>not having an array of lasers to take out larger objects with an intersecting orbit.

>>127418819
And destroy that beautiful forest which gives us oxygen, cools the planet and provides sanctuary for thousands of species? Mate, we need to tackle down overpopulation, not seek new places to start building. Sooner or later, there will be no place so we will have to anyway, and I'd rather it be now while the Earth is still relatively beautiful and not one giant concrete desert. There's really no point in having 7.5 billion people, it just makes life harder and resources scarcer for everyone

>>127422179

1. add Mercury to Mars
2. wait 1 bln years to cool down
3. profit

>>127425449
naa m8 naa.

If we are going for a stop station we would go for one of Jupiter's moons. That way we can use Jupiter's gravity well to slingshot wherever.

>>127425449
>Also good emergency back up planet in case earth catastrophe.

This is the only practical reason to colonise Mars. If we run out of land it would be cheaper to go all Bioshock and live underwater.

>>127425140
The more likely scenario is that as resources become more scare, there will be a nuclear war for what's left, thus killing everyone.

>>127425563

A planet can't be overpopulated if everyone is dead.

>>127418819

Are you a liberal cuck? Why is it in your interest to block humanities destinied path to the stars?

>>127418819
With the lower gravity, it might be a good place for mass-growing low-light crops.

Atmosphere aside of course. It's a terrible planet because it just doesn't have the mass.

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>>127418819

I'd terraform Mars as an experiment.

Works as good stop station for solar system travel.

Good emergency back up planet in case earth catastrophe.

Excellent prison world.

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>>127425555
>it would be cheaper to go all Bioshock and live underwater.

Please yes. Underwater mining colonies hnnnnnnngggg

>>127423899

You know that image proves that the Earth is not flat.

>>127419886

Just recently they proved that mice born in space turn out healthy.
How is gravity a problem?

>>127418819
kys retard

>>127420581

They will. Humanity is a species of explorers and adventurers. You're just thinking with the mind of a neanderthal that saw big bodies of water anf thought "alright until here is good enough. No need to expand further, who even knows if there's land beyond this water" and aubsequently died out while Homo Sapiens just thought "Ok fuck it. I might die if I build a boat and see what's behind the sea, but I'd rather die in an endless void than die never knowing for sure" and became the dominant and most powerful species on the planet

>>127425563
A nuclear war wouldn't kill everyone. People overestimate the power of nukes and their launching capacites. USA and Russia can't launch all the thousands nukes they have.

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>>127418819
>VENUS
VENUS
>VENUS
VENUS
>VENUS
VENUS
>VENUS
VENUS

it already HAS an atmosphere

>>127425772
gravity is pretty important for a lot more than just survival. Holding the atmosphere in place is pretty big. We could do a lot of work terraforming just to have the newly created atmosphere vent into space. Venus we know can hold an atmosphere. People would be weaker, if they do survive. Travelling to Earth would be an extensive procedure. A lot of things. Venus makes quite a bit more sense, really.

>>127425981
I think that eventually mars will be populated, but as the first planet we move to? I don't think it makes the most sense. Though, it would be quite a bit easier to set up a base on Mars than setting up a base on Venus, Venus makes the most sense to terraform.

>>127426019

A single MIRV can erase an entire large city like Paris, London, or L.A.

>>127418819
>they could never withstand the higher gravity on Earth.
Sounds like Mars will be for libtards to colonize

>>127419886
>Gravity can not be solved
Sure it can, it's just expensive: drop the moons onto the planet.

Surface water CANNOT survive on Mars. Without a strong magnetosphere, solar winds will blow it right off the surface and whatever puddles are left will become RADIOACTIVE!! Without that, you can forget plant life, more oxygen, etc.

If you're are going to put everything inside pods, you might as well do that on the moon, underwater, or in the Sahara, or Antarctica (which is also a bad idea).

Has anyone else played the board game Terraforming Mars?
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/167791/terraforming-mars
I got it a few weeks ago and I've really enjoyed it. It's really satisfying to build up your economic engine and watch everything snowball until mars is covered with cities and forests.

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>>127425766

>>127425715
After SOMA and Bioshock all I can think about is how depressing would it get in those places. Meh.

>>127426073

An artificial atmosphere with Earthlike conditions would last for about a million years. If we can generate an earthlike atmosphere there is no reason we couldn't constantly regenerate an earthlike atmosphere. The first human settlers will live in domes anyway. Terraforming is still a thousands of years away technology that might not even prove to be that economical than to just create small protected domes on or under the surface that create earthlike conditions. Of course the problem with domes would be the limited space, but humanity would build more domes as population grows

>>127425698
Is space straya something we want?

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>>127418819

You are a retarded nigger faggot.

>The low 0.38g gravity is prohibitive.

No, the entire reason NASA is focused on Mars as a target for colonization is because centrifuge experiments with mice on the ISS prove it has just enough gravity for healthy foetal gestation whereas the Moon does not.

>We have enough space in Siberia to house another 30 billion people.

How will that save us if an asteroid obliterates the Earth? The point of colonizing Mars was never to alleviate overpopulation, we physically can't move humans off the Earth faster than more are born. The point was to create a backup of humanity outside of Earth in case of a devastating catastrophe that causes humanity on Earth to go extinct.

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nope no venus up here

>>127418819
Why don't we try terraforming the outback first.

We won't live to see human expansion to other planets, lads.

I believe that most likely humanity is going towards technological stagnation. There will be innovations in goods and services, but nothing akin to the technological requirements for transhumanism, terraforming or other big SF concepts.

>>127418819
>We have enough space in Siberia to house another 30 billion people
what is asteroid destroying all life on earth ????

>>127418819
Dumb faggots like Musk had their imagination polluted by growing up on (((science fiction))). They try to find excuses for their space bullshit but the only reason is it's just what excites them.

>>127425715
>>127425555

There are practical resource access reasons to expand into the ocean but this is not one of them.

We could probably live indefinitely down there. So long as we can keep mining more uranium we have a bajillion years of power for making fresh water, air, heat, light, etc.

Problem is we could never escape. The surface would be fucked. On fire, radioactive, etc.

How could we launch large rockets to escape the Earth from underwater?

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>>127427279
>other planets

MY SIDES
ATHEISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS

>>127427425
t. FC5 antagonist

>>127427104

>The point was to create a backup of humanity outside of Earth in case of a devastating catastrophe that causes humanity on Earth to go extinct.

So the Jews will have permission to use credible nuclear blackmail to force multicultural world communism?

>>127427218
sun and a street light are two different things

>>127427461

What the fuck is wrong with you? Why do you let your retarded baboozery make you oppose even obviously good, important causes like the survival of humanity?

>>127427481
He's most likely memeing, komshijo.

Still, American stupidity should never be underestimated.

>Germany thinks colonising is hard
And that's why your nation belongs in the dustbin of history

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>>127427481
>clouds go behind the sun

hahahahahhahahahahahha good luck terraforming venus with the glass dome god put over the earth

>>127418819
its not about space its about humans not going extinct after the next inevitable extinction even on earth how is that so hard to understand.
And mars is the closest to earth in properties therefore currently the ONLY option.

>>127427508

>survival of humanity

On a shitstain desert like Mars? Not much of a future.

>Without a strong magnetosphere, solar winds will blow it right off the surface
>>127426680

>>127427508
you know, i somewhat agree with him
to do these ridiculous mega projects, some form of one world government and thought police will be necessary
it just takes one guy or opposition to derail the whole thing

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>>127427667
>Not much of a future.

The alternative is death. If I pointed a gun at you I bet I could make you do all kinds of things. Humans strongly do not wish to die and will do basically anything to avoid it.

>Without a strong magnetosphere, solar winds will blow it right off the surface

Yes, over millions of years. That is how long it took the first time. That is many many times the entire duration of human civilization.

Even if we did nothing to maintain the new atmosphere it would take so long to blow away again that it's irrelevant.

But then we can just use the same terraforming machinery we used to make the new atmosphere to also maintain it continuously.

How do you not already know all this? I am not some expert I am just a regular guy who can read

>>127427676
More likely you'd end up with an independence war between the colony and Earth.

Also, you wouldn't need a global government, the colony could simply be something like an UN protectorate with colonists coming from all the main geopolitical players.

>>127427818

>If I pointed a gun at you I bet I could make you do all kinds of things.

Clearly you're a shill/antifa faggot.

>The alternative is death.

Not if we just take care of life on Earth.

>>127418819
>mfw we'll get to an Expanse-like political conflict in just a few centuries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQuTAPWJxNo

guys, stop arguing
wouldn't it just be fun to spend all our time, money and effort to go to Mars while niggers are dying because of diarrhea?

>>127427964
>Clearly you're a shill/antifa faggot.

I almost forgot I was on Pol for a moment, thanks

>Not if we just take care of life on Earth.

What if an asteroid hits?

>>127427994
>Nothing about humanity or society improves at all, it's just in space now

Seems legit

>>127418819

terraform venus

same size

>>127427994
Trailer seems neat, is the movie worth watching?

>>127428012

>What if an asteroid hits?

Nuke asteroids. We can survive the fragments.

>>127418819
>>127428005
Top kek, Io, and Europa Jupiter probe says a lot less radiation just recently than previously thought.

>>127421852
You should have prevented the treaty of versaille instead to stop any further wars

>>127428071

There is no point in going to Venus. Mars is attractive because it's a first step towards the outwards of the solar system. It would being us closer to Jupiter's Moons, which would bring us closer to Saturn's moons which brings us closer to Uranus moons, which brings us closer to Neptun's moon, which brings us closer to the TNO's which brings us closer to the Oort Cloud which brings us closer to the next star system.

Venus would be a luxury colonization. Maybe if someone decided Venus and Mercury should join the human space empire. But otherwise it doesn't bring us any closer to conquering the universe

>>127428049
Yup, it is set only a couple centuries in the future IIRC not much time to change people imho
>>127428117
Well, it's a tv series, I saw the first season (not sure if the second one is already out or not)
I liked a lot the conspiracy/political stuff moments of the episodes, but from what I can recall they used to divert from that a little bit too often, plus there were plenty of mysteries that were just never explained...
Should definitely check out if the new season is out, that series had a weird effect on me, 5/10 good minutes could totally reward an otherwise shitty episode, and that shit usually doesn't work on me

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>>127427039
cunt you know you do.

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im going to the stars when i grow up!

we need to advance to a type 2 civilization!!!

pic related

>>127428439
Thanks, fratello. Might give it a try once I finish marathoning SG1.

>>127419007
>american education?

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>>127419858

>>127428356

If FTL is possible, how do we avoid or destroy slow objects that are in our path?

>>127428356
Neptune's moon has no value to us, the thing is fit to burst

>>127428508
Yeah, sadly.

>>127427396
>How could we launch large rockets to escape the Earth from underwater?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5KejRbD5s0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPvGGvnAGQ

>>127418819
You need to cut the dead weight.

Germs Nigs Mussies KYS

>>127422646
Its 1/3 earth's size f a m

>>127419886
I wonder how slinging an ultra-dense asteroid into it would work out?

It would have to be intercepted far away, of course.

>>127418819
Terraforming Mars is pretty easy just drop some Asteroids onto the poles. This will heat up the planet enough to get the ball rolling. They frozen water will start to melt and free the carbon dioxide heating the planet up even more.

>>127427218
You do realise the rays show it's position in 2D right, not 3D? How far away the sun is can't be determined from that picture.

>>127428544
FTL would by definition mean something more than just moving at an extremely high velocity, so other completely different factors would come into play.

>>127419007

>fpwp

first post worst post

>>127428544

Space is empty. Veeeeery empty. You could actually travel with FTL through the Astroid Belt that sits between Mars and Jupiter and would not hit a thing although there's dwarf planet sized objects in there (forgot Ceres a s midway destination between Mars and Jupiter Moons btw)

Also we wouldn't even need FTL travel to colonize the Galaxy.

https://youtu.be/3WtgmT5CYU8

>>127427024
What's the point of building dones on Mars though? Might as well build cities in the middle of the Sahara if you just want more land, it would be cheaper anyway.

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(((terraforming))) (((space)))
gullible dipshits

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>>127418819
Eeeeeeh

>>127428763

>would by definition mean something more than just moving at an extremely high velocity

not necessarily. GR is probably wrong. even at .8c space debris will light up your spaceship with no survivors. we're probably not getting out of this start system unless we accept a real probability of suddenly dying while in transit.

>>127418819
Nice try Marsian jew. We are coming for you you little red faggot.

>>127428544

A strong enough magnetic shield could divert small metallic debris. Add to that an electrical arc defense, like reactive tank armor and it can vaporize anything else that's small enough. Then on top of that, thick ablative armor. Possibly an entire small asteroid.

>>127426737
I don't even care if you faggots think you're "trolling" with this shit anymore, just fuck off and kys already. "Troll" or not, you're a retarded faggot and you should neck yourself.

>>127428593

Key words here: Large enough

Those things are tiny

>>127418819

Here's the problem - We move to Siberia.

One generation later, women invite niggers.

What are we meant to do? We need women to produce babies. But they ruin everything.

Now, if we want to solve overpopulation - Just stop feeding fucking niggers.

Problem solved.

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>>127428889
Create a pilotless ship/probe/whatever to test it beforehand? Also test it with animals.

>>127428796

>the Astroid Belt that sits between Mars and Jupiter and would not hit a thing

Except an asteroid?

>Also we wouldn't even need FTL travel to colonize the Galaxy.

Generational ships will fall apart. FTL is the only way to go very far.

>>127428356

venus is fine, we just have to nudge it a little further out of orbit

>>127428809

It's not about having more land. It's about

>having a backup in case a catastrophe wipes out all life on earth
>expanding into the universe
>exploring undiscovered lands

>>127428889
>GR is probably wrong

That's a huge statement to make. But you're absolutely right about the problems moving at even a fraction of light speed.

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>>127419007
The actual fuck are you on about m8?

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>>127429113
>venus is fine, we just have to nudge it a little further out of orbit

No, we don't. Why do people keep this meme about Venus being too close to the sun alive? We need to build a sunshade for Venus anyway, there is literally no reason whatsover to start a gigantic, pretty inconceivable effort to change the orbit of Venus.

>>127429065

Is that Laika?

I guess we could send a pilotless guide ship ahead. When it gets destroyed, the crewed ship knows to slow down.

>>127429099
Generational ships would be engineered to be repairable in flight dontcha think?

>>127429099

>Except an asteroid?

The distance between Astroid is so unfathomly big the only way to hit an astroid is to purposely fly into it.

>>127429151
>having a backup in case a catastrophe wipes out all life on earth
If it's not sustainable it's not a backup. And a dome settelment won't be sustainable.
>expanding into the universe
What for if it's not sustainable?
>exploring undiscovered lands
You could just send a drone, no need to settle.

>>127429197

>That's a huge statement to make.

Kek.

You may be a Jew defending Einstein.

If not, I don't really believe you would say that if you had looked into it. The Physics community itself acknowledges failures in GR and have created alternative models.

>>127429065
Yeah then aliens meet the animal we shot up and they gift it with super intelligence and comes back and kikes us all. Great plan NASA.

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>>127429021
>>127428696
>retarded ball earthers

my sides

>>127428356
>Mars is attractive because it's a first step towards the outwards of the solar system.
Mars isn't attractive at all beyond a few steps for a photo op as on the Moon. It is as long-term habitable as the Moon - just that right now it is easy to do robotic "exploration" there, which has zero to do with long term colonization possibilities.

>>127429261
Da.

>>127426760
agreed mate

>>127429319
What about literal space dust mister German engineer mastermind? FTL travel into a grain of space sand could surely cause issues.

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>ywn live on terraformed Mars with SciFi altered gravity to match Earth's in a replica of Venice where there are cute girls working as gondoliers

>>127428811
...shit what?
Hold on a fucking second, what.

I mean this kinda proves the space race was a joke but... what?

>>127429420

She gave her life so our species could enter space.

>>127429396
Hahahahahahaha neat dude HAHAHAa NO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF NOW YOU UNFUNNY FAGGOT. Look I posted it again im a raging faggot attention whore, look at my (You)'s mah! Perspective cgi soruce composite etc, fuck right off you subuman piece of shit. Thanks.

>>127424409

The earth is just the right distance from the sun to make it appropriate for us. Venus average temperature is 460 celsius. Even if you removed the greenhouse CO2 from the volcanic activity, the planet would still be too close to the sun, meaning too high temps for us.

Mercury is 427 degrees Celsius during the day. Earth is 14.6 (average). Now what do you suppose the inbetween is for Venus?

>>127429408
Mars would be a great prison planet.

>>127429492
p. much

I'm quite empathic with animals, but as long as I am not the one getting my hands dirty, I'm all for animal sacrifices in science.

>>127423547
>dense atmosphere
>not building floating cities

It's time to leave the box anon

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>>127419007
We need to nuke mars. Wake up the heart.

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this triggers the shills

>>127424912
Get rid of all nonwhites.

>>127429319

What do you think exploded over Russia a few years ago? Was that not a space rock?

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Muh compression artifact

>>127428811
>>127429484

I don't get it

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>>127429799
wires

>>127429270

"We're out of aluminum."

How huge would this ship need to be to carry all conceivable replacement materials for 100 years?

>>127429319

>the only way to hit an astroid

I don't want to take the chance.

>>127425772

No, the mice raised outside the centrifuges had inner ear problems

>>127429345

>And a dome settelment won't be sustainable.

Why not?

>What for if it's not sustainable?
Again why are they not?

>You could just send a drone, no need to settle.

That's like telling a biologists that he can learn about animals by looking at pictures. Sure you learn things from distant drones, but it's not even remotely comparable to actually exploring lands

you cant terraform mars. its a dead planet. you would need to nuke the core with 1 million bombs and even then it probably wouldnt work.

>>127429844

I see the Earth in the background of that reflection though

>>127419007
Its the bong talking

>>127429844

The fuck you talking about

mars is an orb of light

>>127430026
the main problem is that the low gravity of Mars cant retain a stable atmoshpere, it would slowly leak into space.

>>127428811
Are they hanging on very thin ropes?

Also, why is the woman's hair so stiff?

>>127429869
Antimatter engine. The problem is anti-matter meeting matter is 100% energy release whereas the atom bomb was like 1% so we need to build and test far as shit from earth. No way we can attempt a launch with that shit on board. Plus I'm guessing the human body can't take it so robots time than a shitty US airlines flight to a prebuilt destination.

>>127419007
Elon?

>>127430201
The artificial moon might do it but would need a moon size asteroid. No nukes would be needed since the moon would stretch the planet's crust and heat up the iron core again.

>>127429869
Gather materials as you travel, or huge, not inconceivable though. Why are you so dead set on it not working, you a flat earther or something.

>>127429715
>>127429748
These two fuck with my mind
>>127429797
>>127429844
These two can be explained. Sorta.

Jesus fuck, if it turns out space travel was a meme all along and it was just another jewish trick, I can't explain how angry I'll be. My only fucking dream was to go to space, and those videos of them using wires is pissing me the fuck off like you wouldn't believe. I have to hope this is just the Europoors on the ISS, and it's actually possible but it's not being funded because it's too expensive, and we'll get our priorities fucking straight one day.

>>127430221
>Also, why is the woman's hair so stiff?
Fuck, that's what else was bothering me. All of their hair should be floating randomly, like they're underwater. Instead, guys are still and girl is a fucking troll doll. What the fuck.

Stop to breed, 7 billions of inhabitants on earth, it's already 6 and a half billion too many.

>>127430353
It's not "Zero Gee" fuckwit, the ISS is constantly falling around the earth.

>>127427350
Everything is based on excitement, so what's your point?

>>127430334

>Why are you so dead set on it not working

I'm not read my other posts. Generational ships are stupid. Maybe FTV can work in smaller ships.

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>>127430502
Would not be surprised if you thought this was real

>>127430531

FTL

>>127429574
>used to have liquid water
>bad for us

>>127428811
finger in pocket?

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>>127419007

>>127430488
video compression artifacts, the same ones responsible for obamas reptillian shape shifting secret service. get on meds you schizo

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>>127430437
Whites aren't the problem when it comes to overpopulation. If anything, whites aren't breeding enough.

>>127430353
Its was the hardest redpill for me to swallow man... I used to have a hobby of learning about space and black holes and all that stuff. To have that avenue of knowledge poisoned by the satanic kike globalist cabal left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

>>127430558
I'm going to need a technical explaination of what you're even trying to prove schizo, not everyone is in tune with your dillusion.

I'm a bit more pragmatic.
1. AI
2. satellites with AI to carry seeds of life and seed planets long after we are dead and gone if they don't have life on them.
Best we can hope for. Not bad then we would actually be God in a sense. People would pray to us and we wouldn't give a shit because we are dead.

>>127430772
why would a true AI submit to the will of humans decades after their extinction?

>>127430558
Hahahahahaha the clouds don't move at all. Fucking DEADLOCKED. Are they lazy or is the public too stupid? Maybe both.

>>127427508
I totally agree and it is very important to send the most skillful and valuable people only, automatically making the mars a paradise of very few similar races :^)

>>127430488
Jesus fuck. Spooky ghost man fades out of the ISS.
>>127430502
For the one where the single guy does the flip, yes it lines up with a low grav environment to the best of my knowledge, which I admit isn't great. The one where there's a girl with her hair sticking straight up, and he pretty clearly grabs a wire, that's what's freaking me the fuck out. Also spooky ghost man in the above.

>>127418819
Mars would make a decent place for a spaceship building and launching facility though. Planet's worth of raw materials plus decently low gravity plus it's close to the asteroid belt.

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>>127430770
im in tune with it

>>127418819

i didnt read the thread so i dont know if its mentioned but is it at all possible to genetically engineer humans that are more resistant to this kind of gravity in the future?

>>127430857
To spread life. The very life that was its Parent. Maby improve it. Let's face it the human race is a doomed race. What are we going to do go all captian kirk and fuck and kill all other aliens?

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>>127418819
I fully agree. If you truly understand the science we have so far you will realise that Mars will be our mining world. Babies cannot be born there.

Best case scenario Mars will have an orbiting space station that simulates earth's 9.8m/s gravity, for when female Mars employees get pregnant.

We need to remove the retards from earth, set up sustainable arcologies, start mining the moon and then move on to mars. Establish mars research outpost ASAP though.

Then work on warp drive to move on to new systems.

We're going to die in our solar system if we keep tolerating leftists, niggers and the barbarian peoples of the world.

Everything I say is right.

>>127418819
>>127418819
Just build an orbital shell out of the metal in the planet and transport hydrogen into the shell until you have earth gravity.

inevitable advancements in genetic engineering will allow mars to be habitable by humans.

until then, venus always has been and always will be the better candidate. the upper atmosphere in venus is the most habitable place for human beings in our solar system other than earth by a significant margin.

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>>127430177

But I can see the geological features of its surface with my telescope.

>>127424707
This guy gets it.

>>127430201
>the main problem is that the low gravity of Mars cant retain a stable atmoshpere, it would slowly leak into space.

Over millions of years. Not a problem for humans.

>>127430998
Then when mined out prison planet. They won't be able to come to earth as their bones will be to week.

>>127431009
I love the stuff you're posting man. Its hard to deny so shills go for character assassination instead.

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>>127419007
You're hired

>>127430702

I see there's no source on that graph

>>127430954

David?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

>>127431038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkxdnzkY78

this is mars your telescope must have been created by them

>>127430998
>Babies cannot be born there.

Yes they can though >>127427104


That is the entire reason why the focus is on colonizing Mars over the Moon.

Why would we mine Mars instead of the Moon when Lunar gravity is so much lower? It costs a lot more fuel to get loads of metal out of the Martian gravity well compared to the Moon

>>127431204

Use whatever telescope you like. It doesn't look like that. Even make your own.

A glass lens cannot make a ball of light appear to be made out of rock.

>>127430998

>We're going to die in our solar system

If we have a reasonable population size, the Sun will burn out before we could use up all of the elements in our star system.

The only requirement is getting out of here before the Sun burns out.

>>127419780
Chilling out with our free healthcare in 0,00006% nigger neighborhood senpai. Die while casual road control because you have ID in your hands.

>>127426278
cities are puny compared to the outback mate

>>127418819
We will GMO people to live in 0 to low g situations.

The real issue is the lack of an active core.

>>127428811

he pushed him away with his hand first and had to catch him with a tiny pull on the pants.

you RETARDS

>>127431148
Kikes can't win if everyone's dead David.

>>127426073
Yeah Venus you cuck. Have you ever heard about what the Venus is pal?

>>127431392
Pull him by the wires you mean

>>127418819
>We have enough space in Siberia to house another 30 billion people. Mars makes 0 sense for settlement. We need to look elsewhere.
>We
Fuck you Hans, for the last fucking time, Russia is not your Lebensraum.

>>127431368
>We will GMO people to live in 0 to low g situations.
that sounds like something that can't possibly go wrong

Your all not seeing the big picture on how the great human empire will be established.
First, Musk fanboys and other futurist cucks (like those getting microchipped) will enjoy low earth orbit space stations but quickly realise a spinning station has its drawbacks and children growing up won't develop properly. The working class will probably be on the moon at this point overseeing helium-3 mining operations, water and power harvesting etc. and experience something similar.
Next the elites still on Earth will promote "soft" genetic engineering (so far most GE will have been cosmetic) in order to allow people to adapt in low g much better than the wild type. Slowly a caste system of optimised humans will be created to colonise the moons of Jupiter/Saturn, Mars and work will being in larger deep space habitats/Venus floating city. The castes will be dependent on those on the homeworld for genetic variation and suddenly Earth based people will become a commodity. All of this will be administered from the low earth and larger habitats, now filled with a genetically superior ruling class as they will form the gatekeeper to the solar system's need for wild type humans to prevent delitatious mutation.

>>127425698
We should strip mine everything except earth to make a Dyson swarm while sending seed ships to other stars.

>>127418819

>kids will probably die an early death to the low gravity

>could never withstand the higher gravity on Earth.

Those are a lot of possiblities you are treating like facts.

Don't forget in the past scientists said:

>Trains could never move past 24 miles an hour. We were never meant to move that fast and the speed would suck the air out of our lungs and people would die.

>Heavier than air flying machines are impossible

>1934, Albert Einstein was quoted in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette as saying, “There is not the slightest indication that [nuclear energy] will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will.”

The real reason we shouldn't terraformed Mars is the fact it does not have a big enough magnetic field to protect the planet from solar bursts of radiation. It's why the planet is bare. It's atmosphere was ripped off millions or billions of years ago. If it was terraformed, it would always have the risk of being stripped off again.

But that does not mean stations and underground bubbles of life could not be created. It is silly to think a little less or more gravity would kill humans.

>>127418819

you can just make a angled centrifugal that combines centrifugal force with the martian gravity and generate 1 g easily.

>>127431451

WHAT WIRES

it's a pants pocket. He can hold him with one finger in zero G (as expected).

>>127431009
Fucking hell.
I want to believe that this is just proof that they're not in space and space travel is still possible, but you're turning me into a full blown denier now.

>>127431472
You will see genetic modification on babys within the next 5 years.Mostly to remove diseases but thats how it will start.

Sorry to ruin your fantasy. They are hanging from something called a wire.

>>127427039
>mars gets turned into Straya'
>population of mars increases from 5, 10 to 23 million
>stops all of a sudden
>"fuck off, we're full" can be heard chanting across the galactic plane

>>127428356
have you not watched GOT? To go west you must go east.

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>>127431648
space doesnt exist

>>127431665
Shit they are already pushing us getting used to hearing scan your chip with your cards now.

>>127418819
Who the fuck thought a mars settlement would be a solution for over population? Are you retarded?

We must do it for the science and to gain experience in living on planets, interplanetary logistics etc.

Sure it probably won't be a klondyke and mars will never have more than thousands of inhabitants. But all the experience we could gain from it would be priceless.