/ChristGen/ - Christian General

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fuck off kike

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>>127401194
kys fag

LGBTQ = Let God Burn Them Quickly

Burn fags on the stake to get them ready for the fires of Hell.

proof of God killing fags: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DBSIs2bHi5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiqtFAKQHlk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4heEpQh9Zw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ICTsqE4Fjs

Roses are red
Violets are blue
God hates fags
And so should you

Romans 1

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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>>127401132
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggressive_Christianity_Missionary_Training_Corps

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>>127401392
>he worships a jew

>>127401194
Aren't the romans in the wrong for destroying a temple that wasn't even in europe?

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>>125637346

>>127401496
>is religion of Europe
correct

>hate jews
very few Christians hate jews like /pol does. And jews were different back then than they were 2000 years ago

>Jesus not a jew
Most don't care if he is or not also Rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9

>Blonde blue eyed
Literally no one thinks that. The more accepted one is brown hair brown eye (also may not be what he really looked liked but is more accepted)

>last hope against islam
well since atheists are the main people wanting the refugees then yes Christianity is the last hope. When Europe was more Christian we didn't see this and the more religious countries in Europe doesn't have refugee problems.

>pope is a cuck
Well he is a Cuckolick so yes

>doing what Jesus would
no

>Jesus = hippie SJW
definitely not hippie. SJW maybe for the time but today he would be a radical conservative

>Muslims force religion
No, we care about them blowing up. Especially when it is in Europe.

>Christianity never done that
Literally never heard someone say this

>Deus Vult never happening again
Maybe. But with how things are going I could see Christians getting pissed and starting an uprising(possibly)

kys

>>127401571
Nope, the jews had it coming.

>>127401132
i dont believe in jewish lies

>>127401132
Because I'm not a fucking idiot.

>>127401132
Christianity is literal polytheism. Why would I believe in 3 Gods? Fuck that, it's a retarded version of paganism.

The most red-pilled religion is Deism. Even the American Founding Fathers believed in it. Drop the Christcuckery and either become Deists or Agnostics.

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>>127400096
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>>127402083
wrong link

>>127397332
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>>127401974
The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are all agents of God.

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>>127401974
>doesn't know whet the trinity is

>Jesus is a jew
No he is the son of God.

>>127402385
He is also God

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>>127402310

>>127402420
I'm not a Jehova's witness or whatever. Of course he is.

>>127402343
Ok, so there's God, and there's the son of God. Two different consciousness, meaning they're two separate being

You just took three different Gods and combined them into a Supergod. Fuck your down-syndrome paganism.

>>127401132
DESU a purely germanic form of christianity (that has nothing to do with the middle east or slave cuck jew morality whatsoever)
would be pretty based

>>127402572
>still doesn't understand it

>>127402710
That would be germanic paganism

Christianity is a liberal religion

http://www.zompist.com/meetthepoor.html

>>127402572
The Father is the source of the Son, as the sun is of light. But one eternal attribute of the Father is that He begets the Son (also that the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him), just as there is no point having the sun without light or heat. That is, the Father has always existed, and He has always ‘shone’ with the light of Jesus, and radiated the ‘heat’ of the Spirit.

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>>127402931
No

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>>127402931

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You're anti-logic and you hold us all back.

>>127403070
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/belief-in-god/

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>>127403175
>>127403239

>>127401974
Factual

>>127403323
Hahaha. That list would be entirely dwarfed and annihilated by rational thinking Atheist and Agnostic scientists who care about only one thing. What is true.

>>127401132

How do I repent?

I can feel regret and remorse, but these are obviously distinct from repentance.

I cannot feel sorry towards God. He's too distant, I don't think of him as a person that I know.

>>127403755
hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

>thinking those are the only ones

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

>>127403867
>Believing in magic

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

>>127401132
Religion is a thing of the past. And it was used to control the masses.

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>>127401132
>blood
>water
>tomb
>rejected mother
>absentee father
>best friends with whore
>totally a virgin ;)
>kissed guys
>Christians portray as feminine boyish
>Church run by homos and pedos
>live for death, life is meaningless
>Jews are not chosen, just this Jew

Fuck off with your old mind control bullshit. We have Scientology now, lol

>>127401132
>Why are you not Christian yet?
I have not been convinced that the claims made by Christianity or it's followers are true. Nothing major against you guys though.

Not all culture and tradition is necessary for every individual to function, I can conduct myself in a civil manner without the guidelines of a religion, and I have a functional set of morals and strongly held beliefs.

>>127402791
No no no, YOU don't get it. If Jesus was the incarnation of God on Earth, then I would agree with you. Since Jesus would technically be God.

But this is different. Jesus is supposedly the Son of God and has a different consciousness from God. Jesus refers to God above as "Father", they are separate being, thus making it polytheism and paganism. Even if you try to combine these three different consciousness into one to make a Supergod, it will still be an entity composed of three different Gods.

>>127403007
>as the sun is of light

Ok, but hear this, light is different from the sun. One is the source and the other is the product, two different things related only by the fact that one was created by the other. It's still paganism, one creature has created the other even if the created creature is still related to the creator. Nice Supergod.

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>>127401974
>>127402343
“The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.

“The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”— The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299

“The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are Greek philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—John L. McKenzie, S.J., Dictionary of the Bible (New York, 1965), p. 899.

John L. McKenzie is a Jesuit Catholic Scholar and his book, Dictionary of the Bible, is considered imprimatur.

It's pretty well established that the Trinity is not Biblical to the point that non-JW Churches admit this.

>>127404221
Jesus has both a human and divine nature. Are you even trying mohammed?

>>127404542
>larping as a cult member after i mentioned them
Bravo

>>127403239
>>127403323

Typical logical fallacy. Just because most people at the time were Christian, doesn't mean Christianity gets the credit.

People HAPPENED to be Christians while they made the discoveries. They didn't make the discoveries BECAUSE they were Christian. If anything, their discoveries led us AWAY from Christianity and if they were alive today would most likely be Atheists.

This is a typical example of the Religious habit of claiming credit for everything, just like when you say "Just look at the trees and the clouds" whenever someone asks you to prove your God is real.

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>>127403027
>>127403070

>>127402572
You are right that the Trinity is absurd. The Bible does not teach the Trinity as admitted here.>>127404542 The Bible teaches that:

>God is an individual being. His name is Jehovah. It means "He Causes to Become."

>Jesus is a small spirit being. He is brother to the angels. He is the firstborn of all creation. He is the first thing God ever created. After that Jehovah used him to create everything else. His name means "Jehovah is Salvation."

>The Holy Spirit is not a person, it is a thing. It is a tool God uses to do anything with. The holy spirit's relationship to God is the same relationship you have with your own hands and fingers. They are extensions of you. The Bible refers to the holy spirit as "God's finger" and "God's hand." When humans are given holy spirit it is subordinate to them. They can choose to keep it to themselves or share it with others. God cannot be subordinate to men. The holy spirit has no name of any kind.

That's it.

>>127404933
>They didn't make the discoveries BECAUSE they were Christian
They did actually. The only institution which stored knowledge through the Middle ages was the Church and the Church gave money and food to scholars.

>>127401132

I'm a Fundamentalist Christian, I subscribe to the Pentecostal denomination, and am extremely militant in my views on degeneracy and Islam. If you truly love Christ, you'll prepare yourself for the coming trials and tribulations.

>>127404119
>believing in magic lightning that creates life
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>127405236
That is not what anyone believes you silly Christcuck. Go ask your talking snake. He'll tell you the same thing.

>>127404542
>The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.
What they mean, obviously, is not that the doctrine of the trinity did not precede the 4th century, but that the sense in which this is true is that a definition for use in the whole church did not exist until then, which is a fact. Trinitarian faith was clearly the unanimous view of the early church. Take, for example, Tertullian (2nd century), who, when writing against the heretic Praxeas, who claimed the Father and the Son to be the same person, argued that the Father and Jesus are not separate gods because they are the same being, both are Jehovah.

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>>127404977
>127404977

>>127404933
https://youtu.be/PMWKm40-dnM?t=7m40s

>>127405205
No, plenty of Ancient Civilizations made scientific discoveries themselves. They figured out mathematics, the shape and orbit of the Earth around the Sun, etc. They didn't need Christianity to use their heads. Your biggest claim to fame was that you copied them down and preserved them, but Christians also burned and destroyed countless artifacts and monuments from other cultures and Religions like ISIS.

>>127405511
Whose this faggot and why should I listen to him? Appeal to authority.

>>127404221
It's still one God

>>127405024
>He is the first thing God ever created
Where in the Bible does it say Jesus was created?

>>127405205
They made these discoveries because of the roman alphabet. The dark ages were caused because christian tribes invaded christian Rome.

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>>127405524
Comparing Christians and ISIS can only be done by mongoloid atheists. What the Christian West has created will never be surpassed by any other civilisation.

>>127404675
>>127404675
>Jesus has both a human and divine nature.

On Earth, Jesus was only human, nothing more. That is why he was called The Son of Man and The Last Adam. God's strict sense of justice demanded a sacrifice equal to Adam as a perfect man. Jesus could not be more then Adam. God is superior to Adam, angels are superior to Adam, and being divine is superior to Adam. Jesus was required to be equal to Adam which meant only a perfect human being.

>>127405602
He explains that the scientific revolution was because they were Christians not they just happened to be

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>>127405217
>I'm a Fundamentalist Christian, I subscribe to the Pentecostal denomination, and am extremely militant in my views on degeneracy and Islam.
DIE

FOR

THE

JEWS!

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>>127402385
>Jesus is a jew
>No he is the son of God.

Translation: God is a Jew


>so glad I'm not in a jew inspired slave cult

>>127401974
>believes in a god, but can't decide on which one
>will never have personal relationship with said unknowable god

literally no different than atheism except you can't decide which path to take

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reminder that saying jesus was a jew and putting happy merchant is a red herring

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>>127405840
>never be surpassed by any other civilisation
I thought Christians were supposed to be modest? Pretty hilarious that you think we're the epitome of life. Guess you would considering your Religion is all about how shitty life is and it's all about your spot in Heaven.

>>127405881
Interesting concept, I'll watch it later.

>>127401132
I believe in God but the trinity makes absolutely no sense and is logically indefensible

>>127405731
>They made these discoveries because of the roman alphabet
Just what?!
>The dark ages were caused because christian tribes invaded christian Rome
The dark ages are a myth created by italian renaissance philosophers this is common knowledge by historians. Also these tribes were not Christian but pagan.

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Christ is good. Buddha is better.

Christianity is faith-based, emotional religion, Buddhism is an experiential and rational religion.

>>127406113
Jesus, King of the Jews

Where do I find a stay at home daughter gf?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apoCp3OTsxE

>>127406159
its supposed to be a mystery that only aman that dies, goes to heaven and speaks directly to the creator would understand.
Its called: "The Divine Mystery".

>>127405024
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AhnTGg6tib4

Any of you boys catholic?

>>127406277
They hated him so much for calling himself that they crucified him for that.

>>127405852
Jesus was completely equal to Adam while on earth, in His humanity. In His person, however, we must be in agreement that Jesus is far greater than Adam, since the person of the Messiah is greater than the person of the first sinner, no?

>>127401132
Christianity is cuck tier bullshit. Its a weak religion that promises everything and asks nothing of you. It is typical of jewish scams.

Follow a religion that enriches your spirit not this cuck shit.

Also, fuck Constantine for bringing this shit into europe.

>>127405985
God is above material things like ethnicity.

>>127405387
Okay Okay magic lightning and magic water

>>127406441
>Christianity is cuck tier bullshit
Sure it is. Go drink Odin's sperm.

>>127406117
why are you here? Dumb fedora tippers can never leave religious people alone. Its a syndrome I swear.

>>127405718
I think it says Jesus has eternally been spiritual I think but the new versions changed it

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>>127406277
John 19:19-22
And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS. 20This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin. 21Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews. 22Pilate answered, What I have written I have written.

>>127405428
The Church fathers are flip floppers. They mostly used their own opinions to prove whatever they want whenever it is convenient. Take these from Tertullian

>“The Father is different from the Son, as he is greater; as he who begets is different from him who is begotten; he who sends, different from him who is sent; he who does a thing, different from him by whom it is done.”

>“God produced the Son, that by him he might produce the universe. Christ does nothing except by the will of the Father, having received all power from him.”

>“There was a time when the Son was not.”

>“Before all things, God was alone, himself a world and place, and all things to himself.”

Read "Against Praxeas" in Chapter 6. Tertullian uses Proverbs 8:22-25 to prove that this identity of "wisdom" was Jesus all along. JW are known to use this set of verses to prove Jesus was a created being all along and was inferior and subordinate to the Father. Trinitarians hate it when JW use this. Ironically, Tertullian and Ignatius agree with JW that Wisdom in Proverbs 8 was Jesus who admitted to being created and having no prior existence to God. That God used him in creation and that Jesus "became his favorite." Favorite from who? From the other angels.

>>127406441
In hoc signo vinces

How is a middle eastern religion considered "European"?

>>127406117
>image
As opposed to atheist theory, which is more like what a twelve year-old would say

>there was nothing
>then there was an explosion!
>and, like, everything was in that explosion
>it was so small, dude, it was just the size of an atom
>and it was totally the most powerfulest explosion ever
>and that's how the universe was made!

>>127406117
>The Father
>Physical

>>127406669
Jews have been hating Christianity since 33 AD. Atheists and bagans are just useful idiots for communists and jews.

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>>127406203

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>>127406377
no

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>>127406441
>pagacuck is mad

>>127406981
They truly are. And they always have such unremarkable intelligence.

>>127405718
>>127406711

>Colossians 1: 15. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

>Revelation Chapter 3: 14 " ...the Amen says the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.

>(Micah 5:2) “And you, O Beth′le•hem Eph′ra•thah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose ORIGIN IS FROM EARLY TIMES, from the days of time indefinite.

>Proverbs 8:22,23 - Jehovah himself produced me(JESUS) as the BEGINNING OF HIS WAY, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23FROM TIME INDEFINITE I WAS INSTALLED, from the start, from TIMES EARLIER THAN THE EARTH

>>127407027
>pagan snow niggers destroyed the Roman empire and there is little scientific progress
What a surprise.

>>127403239
Now now butthurt kike lover. We know you're keen on your magic Jew but father Jamarcus and deacon Jamal need to relieve some of their sin in your mouth.

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>>127406441
>weak religion
Wow I guess that's why it utterly annihilated the
pagans?
really makes you think....

>>127407426
>father
Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

>>127401132
Because we're mostly confused faggots with incontinence.

>>127405602

Not knowing david wood the biggest islam basher

>get out of here newfag

>>127406733
>They mostly used their own opinions to prove whatever they want whenever it is convenient
You should consider reading them, they quote a great deal of scripture to defend their positions
>There was a time when the Son was not
This is a quote from Arius, not Tertullian
>Tertullian uses Proverbs 8:22-25 to prove that this identity of "wisdom" was Jesus all along. JW are known to use this set of verses to prove Jesus was a created being all along and was inferior and subordinate to the Father.
I'm sure the NWT mistranslates it as "Jehovah created me at the beginning of his work", but properly it says possessed, not created.

>>127406981
Jews fucking wrote the book for fuck's sake. It's Semitic.
>>127406848
Classic cop-out. "You can't disprove it because it's specifically designed to be unprovable."
>>127406805
There wasn't "nothing" everything was compressed and there was no time yet. We DON'T KNOW. Are you fucking idiots ever going to understand? YOU are the ones saying you have THE ANSWER. The Big Bang is a THEORY that has SUPPORTING EVIDENCE but has not been PROVEN yet. That's how SCIENCE works. That's why retards like you can USE THE INTERNET right now, because SCIENTISTS figured it out.

If you actually understood things like Big Bang and Evolution you would see they make sense.

>>127406669
In the current year, when we can make robotic hearts to replace real ones, and mind-controlled drones, YOU ANCIENT SAND FAIRIES are the real fedora tippers. How fucking hipster do you have to be to think a 2000 year old book of stories is the best way to view reality?

>>127406441
You're confusing Christianity with Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Angletism, Orthodoxy,.

>>127406441
>Its a weak religion that promises everything and asks nothing of you.

It demands a lot from you.

>(Mark 10:21) Jesus looked upon him and felt love for him and said to him: “One thing is missing about you: Go, sell what things you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven, and come be my follower.”

>(1 Corinthians 6:9-11) What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11And yet that is what some of YOU were. But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

>(Titus 3:3) For even we were once senseless, disobedient, being misled, being slaves to various desires and pleasures, carrying on in badness and envy, abhorrent, hating one another.

>(Ephesians 4:22-24) that YOU should put away the old personality which conforms to YOUR former course of conduct and which is being corrupted according to his deceptive desires; 23but that YOU should be made new in the force actuating YOUR mind, 24and should put on the new personality which was created according to God’s will in true righteousness and loyalty.

That takes a lot of pain, suffering, and effort.

>>127407635
>faggot
OP 69:420
And OP adopted a nigger baby because he was a good faggot that thinks a Jew is god

lmaoing at you right now

>>127401392
I think the appropriate thing to do is use prayer and fasting to pray away the gay. George Lincoln Rockwell claimed the method work, and the savoir came to call onto people to repentance and turn away from sin.

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>>127401132
Paganism is the culture of our ancestors.

Christianity is just another Middle Eastern cult that never went away because it's followers will believe literally anything.

>Jesus must have truly been the Messiah BECAUSE he stole a donkey!

>>127404675
>Jesus has both a human and divine nature.

Within both he is still separate from God, making it paganism. You never fully explained this.

>>127405661
How? I just said that it's three Gods making up one Supergod. Those three Gods still have a separate identity of their own each.

>>127404542
>>127405024

Frankly I have more respect for Jehovah's witnesses since they put an important emphasis on monotheism.

>>127408184
>Paganism is the culture of our ancestors
Oh really what did your father and grandfather believe in?

>>127404933
But who did make the trees and the clouds? By what unknown principle are they sorted by? Why does a tree grow at all?
Am I supposed to believe that questions which do not fit a purely positivistic paradigm are simply not posed properly?

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>>127407860
all science is a hoax

the universe doesnt exist and the earth is flat and the big bang isnt real and evolution isnt real

fedoras are the dumbest people on the planet being mind controlled with everything they think

Flat Earth in 5 Minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDKc6X8TXNE

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Isn't Christianity completely compatible with multi-culturalism, though? Luke 6:30 "Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again." So how do you remain Christian and refuse these Syrian Christians?

I can tell them to get fucked. But I don't see how Christians can.

>>127407860
prove what created the big bang. You can't fag. God doesn't folloe physics and you think physics can't be broken

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>>127408311
History is longer than 100 years, anon. If your parents were Scientologists would that make Scientology the only valid religion for you?

>Christians will believe ANYTHING that makes them feel superior

>>127407317
>Colossians 1: 15
Not just the image of the invisible God, but the perfect representation of Him, an exact copy in all things, (Hebrews 1:3) which means that He must be eternal, since eternality is definitional of God.
>Revelation Chapter 3: 14
Could mean either that He is the creator or first creation, it is too inconclusive to base a doctrine on.
>Micah 5:2
Yes, very early times, so early no created thing existed

>>127407973
>Thinks Christians are more liberal than atheists
retard

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>>127408441
why would anyone be against taking in christians we should prioritize christians

its muslimshits we shouldnt take in theyre enemies of god and will worship the antichrist when he comes

>>127408525
You're actually retarded. If you believe what you are saying why don't you start worshipping rocks and sticks like your ancestors from 15000 BC.

>>127408632
>why would anyone be against taking in christians we should prioritize christians

>>127408486
Prove what created your God. You can't fag.

>>127408375
>But who did make the trees and the clouds?
No "one" made them, they arose naturally based on the laws which also formed naturally after the Big Bang which we don't know more about yet.

The puddle doesn't look at the hole it resides in and ask itself "was this hole in the ground perfect designed for me to take shape?" The hole can be any size or shape, and a different puddle will form no matter what. This is the clouds and the trees and us animals.

> By what unknown principle are they sorted by?
It's not an unknown principle. Physics, biology, chemistry etc. They're all well documented.

>Why does a tree grow at all?
A tree grows because it converts sunlight into sugars. There is an evolutionary history and "family tree" to look back through, and year by year it only gets denser and more well documented.

>>127408441
i would rather help out American Christians. And we don't help Syrain Christiand only the muzzies

>>127408677
I'm already a Pagan. And I don't feel at all threatened by the mere existence of other religions.

Though of course I am wary of Abrahamic religions, since they consider my existence anathema.

>>127408737
I don't need proof. I have belief.

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>>127407874
>You're confusing Christianity with Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Angletism, Orthodoxy,.

only the apostolic churches are really Christian, and have coherent theologies based on sound doctrine and (to an extend traditional high-lutheran Churches are Christian as well). Every thing else is heretical and does not have Christ, specially not JW if that's what you are.

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>>127408737

>>127408432
Wow you're literally retarded congratulations. This is what happens to Americans.

>>127408486
Here we go again.
>WHAT CREATED BIG BANG
What created God?
>HE DON'T NEED CREATE HE ALWAYS WAS
Why?
>CAUSE GOD BRO
Real enlightening.

>>127408816
>I'm already a Pagan
Tool of the anti-christian leftists.

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There is nothing more subversive to Jews than Christianity. They forbid their children from studying the Bible in case they are converted.
If Christianity is so Jewish, why do Jews hate it so much?

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guys

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>>127408184
This. Why believe in a sand religion like that?

Christianity brought great harm to Europe and slowed down scientific progress greatly. It divided the Roman empire and caused it's decline.

If the modern Western world did not separate church from state, all the West would be a shithole dominated by Christianity.

>>127409042
They don't even use the + in math because it represent the cross.

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>>127408816

>>127408862
Haha. Nice one. Were you always this stupid?

>>127409010
I'm waiting for you to turn the other cheek to me, "Christian" anon.

>>127409042
the jews hate all gentiles

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>>127406235
>Christianity is faith-based, emotional religion, Buddhism is an experiential and rational religion.
It's hardly rational. But is better.

Stoicism > Aryan Veddas > Buddhism > Zoroastrianism > Jew worship > Islam > Scientology > Thelma > Nigger Voodoo

>>127407796
>>127407796
>You should consider reading them, they quote a great deal of scripture to defend their positions

It's a waste of time. God only endorses the Bible, his word, to teach you. Not the words of men. The Church Fathers strayed from the Bible into Helenistic Greek Philosophy to interpret the Bible. Many of them believed that it was necessary to study the Greek philsophies so one can study and understand the Bible. Nonsense. Tertullian was a former helenistic student which was known to be nonsense, paradoxal and contradictory. This is what Tertullian would write with his Greek education about the God and Jesus

>“God is then especially great, when He is small.”

>“[The death of God’s Son] is by all means to be believed, because it is absurd.”

>“[Jesus] was buried, and rose again; the fact is certain, because it is impossible.”

That's him using his Greek education. Tertullian called out the use of using philosophy for supporting Christian truths, yet he did it himself. This is where the Trinity came from which ironically is: Paradoxal, Contradictory, self-defeating.

>>127407973
>lmaoing
Get the fuck out retarded nigger.

>>127409115
it increased science retard. And it was one of the many reasons for Rome's fall.

>Christianity brought great harm to Europe and slowed down scientific progress greatly
Proof?
>It divided the Roman empire and caused it's decline.
If anything it saved the East. The west was showing signs of decay long before Constantine.

>>127409147
Why are you making this about race? All forms of paganism are fine. Lots of people worship gods from different pantheons. One god is as real as another.

>>127409174
see >>127408961

>>127408983
1. Everything that begins to exist must have a cause
2. The universe began to exist
3. The universe had a cause (God)

The claim that God would need a cause isn't a real argument since it would be redundant and continue forever, just like 1=1=1=1=1=1 is just 1=1.

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>>127408816
>>127409147
>Christian anti-white memes

Go figure

>>127409189
Matthew 10:34
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

>>127408632
>Why are you not a Christian Yet, /pol/? It is the culture of your white conqueror forefathers.
"White conqueror forefathers." White. White. White. What part of that eludes you?

I don't mean to be hostile.

But your response just proved my point: that's the trouble with Christianity: 1) anyone, no matter their ethnicity or nationality can convert or can lie about conversion; 2) Jesus commands you in Luke 6:30 to "Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again."

Do you not see the conundrum there? Or are you for race-mixing? If you are, then there's no point for further discussion; if you aren't, then you've got to reconsider the implications above points 1) and 2). Because it's insoluble.

>>127409372
I don't have to prove the big bang to you. I'm fine with not knowing. You on the other hand claim to know something that I don't. Burden of proof my friend.

>>127409292
>it increased science retard

Hahahhahahahahahahah. The Church persecuted scientists and people like Copernicus and Galilee had to be careful or get killed. Some prominent scientists like Giordano Bruno were outright killed for their scientific beliefs which turned out to be mostly right.

The Church put a doctrine where the Aristotelian worldview became a dogma and put down all science that challenged this view. Christianity played an important role in the fall of the Roman empire, wasn't just "one of the many" causes.

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>>127409473
So you're Jesus himself, huh?

>>127409473
Also that he is going to kill atleast 5 billion people during his wrath

>>127408983
>What created God?

Infinite regress is impossible, an ultimate source has to be the foundation of reality/material world. The ultimate source is God, by definition it has no "creator" or "beginning" and is outside of what we understand as time and space.

>>HE DON'T NEED CREATE HE ALWAYS WAS, Why?

True by definition, just like a triangle has three sides, or a bachelor is unmarried. The difference is God's definition (essence) includes his existence, so he exists necessarily.

>>CAUSE GOD BRO
>Real enlightening.

He is the condition for the possibility of what you normally perceive as material-spatial "existence", without God nothing would exist. This is not that complicated once you understand what the words you are using mean.

If you believe in causality or that things have conditions that need to be satisfied in order for them to exist eventually you have to reach an ultimate source, deep down which is all powerful, beyond space and time, and has an intelligence beyond anything we can imagine.

Infinite regress without a real causal foundation for existence is impossible.

>>127408441
>Isn't Christianity completely compatible with multi-culturalism, though? Luke 6:30 "Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again."

Yes and no. The multicultural the Bible promotes is ethnic and racial. HOWEVER, national and religious is monocultural. The Bible demands that everyone of different races and ethnicities all AGREE and THINK THE SAME.

The reason why classical multiculturalism and diversity doesn't work is because all cultures and races have their own unique opinions on how things should be done and how to live. It doesn't also work because there is and always will be superior and inferior cultures and neither side is willing to admit inferiority to neither side.

What if instead all races, nationalities, and ethnicities ALL admitted inferiority and submission to Christ at the same time? This is the equality and single-mindness the Bible promotes.

>>127409589
Exactly. Better repent now.

>>127409473
Matthew 5:38-40
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

>>127409625
It's possible to explain the creation of the universe from literally nothing at all, but it is not possible to explain the creation of god from nothing without unfounded assertions.

>>127409379
Brain dead meme.
Paganism does not even have a concept of sin. That's why it permits the sacrifice of children, adultery with prostitutes, rape of young boys, etc.
Think about it. Paganism does not even have morality

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>>127409374
>1. Everything that begins to exist must have a cause
Assuming that Cosmic beginnings is something humans can understand in some simple way and ONLY ONE way because you're an emotionally retarded kike worshiper
>3. The universe had a cause (God)
No, Khaos... Prove me wrong. You can't.
>The claim that God would need a cause isn't a real argument since it would be redundant and continue forever
So God is the problem with the question you self delusional slave fucking retard.

Jesus Kike this kid

>>127409115
>It divided the Roman empire and caused it's decline
People like you deserve to be burned to death for being so stupid. I'm not even a christcuck but fuck

>>127409750
Do you even understand the meaning behind the words?

>>127409562
You guys are all about proof so show me proof.

God isn't made of matter so he isn't like "Hurrr durr sky fairy" like you fags say. He doesn't exist on tome and created time. He doesn't take energy to do stuff.

You guys think it's impossible fir something to come from nothing

also >>125637346

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A proud Slavic pagan reporting in

why the hell should I become a christian?

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>>127409496
i want to go to heaven when i die im not believing in jesus because i want a white culture

llmaooo

thats not why you believe in god for

>anyone, no matter their ethnicity or nationality can convert or can lie about conversion;

they theyre breaking the law and can go ahead and gtfo when they are proven to be islamic

>"Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again."

righteous principles from god

>>127409473
jesus told them to get a sword so he could teach them a lesson about not using the sword

Matthew 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

>>127401132
no its the usurper jew . there is no single religion of the white people

>>127409573
see >>127407027

and the scientific revolution was because if Christians

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>>127408632
Yeah, look at this BASED Christian black guy. Fuckin' BASED!

>>127409247
>God only endorses the Bible, his word, to teach you
So then you must not attend any kind of congregation, right? I mean, if God can't teach the Bible through men, then the Watchtower must be satanic, right?
>The Church Fathers strayed from the Bible into Helenistic Greek Philosophy to interpret the Bible.
Many did, such as Origen, but not all, and not Tertullian.
>This is where the Trinity came from
The source of the doctrine of the trinity is the New Testament.

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>>127408939
Any so-called Christian organization the refuses to use God's name, believes in the Trinity, gets involved in politics, and doesn't follow the command of Christ to preach the Good News of God's Kingdom door-to-door, country-to-country, and person-to-person is not Christian at all.

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>>127409573
Galileo was in trouble for making fun of the Pope and ordering the Church what to do.
The Church was the overwhelming source of education in the middle ages. Pagans had no scientist and drank all day / put babies outside to freeze
Deal with it

>>127409893
Of course it's possible for something to come from nothing, anon. That's been scientifically demonstrated on many occasions.

What is not possible is for that something to be an immortal, omnipotent, omniscient sentient entity.

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>>127409832
>Paganism does not even have a concept of sin. That's why it permits the sacrifice of children, adultery with prostitutes, rape of young boys, etc.
Everything you just describe is Catholicism and early Christianity.
Sin is a Babylonian god, you're already a pagan who can't translate his Jew books, HAHA!
FUCKING LOSER!

Also, you don't need "sin" when you have a sense of natural consequences as in RIGHT AND WRONG = cause and effect.

Stoics were "pagan" and have a far deeper sense of morality than any fucked up poisonous Christian pedophile fag priests

>>127409893
Why do you think the character of Yahweh from the Old Testament is even the correct God? What if you're wrong and it's some fucking Elephant creature with 8 trunks?

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>>127409755
>It's possible to explain the creation of the universe from literally nothing at all,

No it's not, "nothing" has no efficacious power to do anything, [potentially or actually], by definition it is a "lack of existence" --- so No, "nothing" can't be the cause of shit, let alone the finely tuned and complex universe.

If you read Krauss' retarded essay you have to realize by "nothing" he means "something fuzzy and hard to define".

>but it is not possible to explain the creation of god from nothing without unfounded assertions.

creation is a word used for causal unfolding, God has no causal unfolding preceding him, he IS the reason for causal unfolding in the first place. He is the ultimate source.
And since he precedes matter/space/time he is something utterly omnipotent and omniscient compared to us.

>>127410132
>Everything you just describe is Catholicism and early Christianity.
Actually retarded.

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>>127410020
im not saying to import random black people dude black people should have their own countries

we were talking about legit refugees who are christian

u guys act like jesus saying turn the other cheek means you just import everyone from around the world thats a strawman it has nothing to do with immigration policy

>>127407158
How is the king James version different from the others? Did he throw in some raps or something?

>>127410151
Because it doesn't say in the Bible that he is.

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>>127410077

>believing in the trinity is anti-christian
>going full retard

Enjoy your satanically edited book and cult.

>>127409750
>takes shit out if context
I don't have the thing on my phone explaining it since it's in my computer but basically he means don't be a retard when attacking

>>127401132
Fuck desert religions.

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>>127410088
>Greatest scientists in the world made fun of my tranny faggot pedo lord
>Church burned all of European history and borrowed learning from Arabs after Roman philosophers ran to Persia from Christian purges
>we wuz teachers!

Deal with it

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>>127410261
But just look how BASED these niggers are. They're good Christians, we should definitely take them in!

>>127410292
Oh okay. Well there's a book with Harry Potter in it. Does that make him God too?

>>127410077
If the JW are not condemned by Galatians 1:8, then surely you can tell me wat the good news is?

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>>127410132
>Catholic Church has a billion people and 0.000001% commit pederasty
>meanwhile in Pagan times pederasty is completely normal and a 'right of passage'
>tfw if you were a Pagan you would have been penetrated by now
Makes me think...

>>127410151
>didn't read the whole post
gosh damn youbare dumb

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>>127409852
>lol u are stoopid
>haha i won the argument!!!!

Ok, let's see what Christianity did to the Roman Empire

>Empire mostly pagan
>One day Constantine become Christian
>Makes Christianity state religion
>Start destroying and looting Pagan temples
>Starts killing and persecuting pagans
>Despite the fact that the Empire was mostly pagan
>Then his son institutionalizes pagan persecution and hunts down pagans
>Creates a deep divide in the Roman Empire where the culture is being destroyed
>Christianity destroys all of Rome's culture, even ancient practices such as Colosseum games
>Empire gets attacked by Arianist Christians

>b-b-b-but muh christianity dindu nuffin wrong

Here you go you retarded fuck, you're welcome for the history lesson.

>>127409993
The scientific revolution happened because of the LACK of Christianity. Ever since the West fully separated religion from politics, science exploded and became extremely advanced.

Damn shills are really dedicated we have tons of fedora atheists and pagans. Not to forget a cultist.

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>>127409711
Now we're getting somewhere.

I agree that if we all were Christians, specifically of the same sect, there would be greater harmony in the world.

But there are still two problems: one for you, and one for me.

For you: 1) even when Europe was virtually entirely Christian, incessant strife occurred due to their being so many differing sects. This, I think, is largely the fault of the Protestant Reformation, but whatever. The point is: we'd all have to be Catholic, or Orthodox, or Anglican -- some designated universal sect. Europe's history is full of Christians fighting Christians over sects, just as the Muslims now kill each other over Sunni and Shia shit.

For me, the problem is I don't like living around non-whites: looking at their non-white faces, hearing their non-white languages, observing their non-white behaviors and enduring their non-white cultures.

>>127410409
Is Harry Potter divinely inspired?

>>127410103
then how did the universe get here? stop dodging the question.

>>127409374
>The claim that God would need a cause isn't a real argument since it would be redundant and continue forever, just like 1=1=1=1=1=1 is just 1=1.

YEAH NO SHIT THAT'S THE POINT OF THE ARGUMENT, TO EXPOSE THE LOGICAL FALLACY OF SAYING GOD ALWAYS EXISTED.

By the way the Big Bang wasn't the "beginning" of the universe, we don't understand fully but every scientist who ascribes to the theory will tell you that all the matter and energy in the universe was compressed into an infinitesimally small, hot ball and then expanded. It was never "nothing" as you Christcucks like to say.

>>127409625
Blah blah blah retarded rambling nonsense. There wasn't "nothing" before the Big Bang triggered, it was a different form of existence. We DON'T KNOW YET. We're WORKING ON IT. Which is better than morons like you trying to stifle all progress so you can live your deluded fantasy forever.

>>127410466
>youbare

Case closed. You're thick as shit. Go pray for yourself or something.

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>>127410292
>Because it doesn't say in the Bible that he is.
AHAHAHA! So much cog dis

>>127410376
Seems like you admit I'm right

>>127410477
>Makes Christianity state religion
Stopped there, you're historically illiterate, Constantine never made Christianity the state religion, that was Theodosius.

>>127410165
>Krauss
Nah.
>>127410563

A universe with nothing at all in it has properties which are all zero.

Length? Zero. Height? Zero. Depth? Zero. Energy? Zero. Time? Zero. This means that an empty universe is also an infinite universe and will persist infinitely until something happens.

What happens when you add a negative one to a universe of zero? Either everything becomes impossible or a positive balances out the equation.

We know that spacetime is not made out of anything, but it can nonetheless be bent. The only question you need to answer to explain how the universe could be created from nothing without a divinity is, how did any non-zero amount of spacetime become bent in a nothing universe?

>>127401132
All of my ancestors sans my father have been dirt farmers and peasants I don't see why I should follow in their crappy footsteps.

>>127410288
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=53BN9tTDoCw

>>127410562
No. And neither is any character in the Old Testament or New Testament. These are man made, heavily edited and rewritten ancient texts.

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>>127410451
Catholics are run but men who wear dresses, never marry, hang out with boys, live ONLY with men, gossip non-stop, and sue people for not wanting them to rape their kids

You're in a gay pedo cult like Hillary Clinton!

JESUITS LIE AND LIE AND LIE AND HANG OUT HERE ALL FUCKING DAY!

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>>127410326
no it means what it says and you shouldnt be ashamed of the lords words

turning the other cheek is a righteous principle of god and shows ur the bigger man and not a unrighteous animal who has to take revenge on people

>>127410383
they can be christian in their own countries

but they should definitely be prioritized if they were in a war or something

i think we should have a lot of white immigration idk why you think i just want america to accept millions of 3rd worlders

im not big on immigration at all

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>>127410261
Look at these missionaries making a new generation of BASED niggers in Africa.

>>127410477
Europe was pretty much 100% Christian in the scientific rebolution you retard

>>127410631
Lmao, Constantine decriminalizes Christianity and wages a war on pagans. It was the same thing as making Christianity the state religion. The Emperor himself was looting pagan temples and destroying all places of Pagan worship.

Good job Constantine, you did real good.

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>>127410799
nothing wrong with going to africa to help out

you might die though

even atheists believe in humanitarianism around the world in theory

>>127410679
so you have no answer

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>>127410559
>>127409711

>I agree that if we all were Christians, specifically of the same sect, there would be greater harmony in the world.
AHAHAHAHAhAAH!

Implying a death cult would ever be satisfied not looking for the Apocalypse or the next Satan worshipers, or even creating more Jews within the church itself (what is a Jesuit)

>>127410877
>The Emperor himself was looting pagan temples and destroying all places of Pagan worship.
Great guy. Pagans are sodomites.

>>127410877
>t. never read a history book

>>127410785
Jesus whipped people oit of the temple. He wasn't being peaceful then.

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Christianity, despite all of the positive effects that it had on European history, is still a Jewish invention.

Read the Bible, they're constantly refereed to as the "chosen people" and the god of the Bible as the "God of Israel"

Fuck Christianity, fuck Islam, fuck Judaism, it's time to go back to the old ways...

Praise the Thunderer!

>>127410570
>There wasn't "nothing" before the Big Bang triggered, it was a different form of existence. We DON'T KNOW YET. We're WORKING ON IT. Which is better than morons like you trying to stifle all progress so you can live your deluded fantasy forever.


It doesn't matter what came before the big bang, it could very well be another phase or version of "space-time-matter", and science can probably never figure it out since empiricism breaks down by definition past that point.

The real point is this: if we go back far enough to the ultimate source of material-reality, the true source of the multiverse/universe you will reach an entity that transcends space and time and has all the qualities of God.

The various chinks in the chain of causality are trivial details for some nerds to figure out, the thing of importance, the thing that started and sustains and binds reality will always be God.

>>127410735
You very well know that I don't believe that. There is no point to this argument.

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>>127410836
>Europe was pretty much 100% Christian in the scientific rebolution you retard

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAH!

Because they would murder you if you did "paganism" = science philosophy natural observation

>>127411076
The Christians are the chosen people

>>127410679
>>Krauss
>Nah.

>ignores all the relevant points
>still thinks "nothing" has existence and power to create things
>doesn't understand that "nothing" is a lack of existence and lack of power and total impotence

learn english and then learn basic philosophy.

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>>127410784
>never marry, hang out with boys, live ONLY with men, gossip non-stop, and sue people for not wanting them to rape their kids
>men living with men I mean wow I bet they fuck each other
You really are a funny guy

>>127403175
Have you not realized that the, "I form my views from logic." meme was just to rationalize degenerate lifestyles? Christian doesn't actually mean anti-logic. That's nothing but Jewish rhetorical tricks to destroy the religious core of the West. We need to purge every imprint of the skeptic community.

>>127410048
>>127410048
>So then you must not attend any kind of congregation, right? I mean, if God can't teach the Bible through men, then the Watchtower must be satanic, right?

>(Malachi 2:7) For the lips of a priest are the ones that should keep knowledge, and [the] law is what people should seek from his mouth; for he is the messenger of Jehovah of armies.

>(Nehemiah 8:8) And they continued reading aloud from the book, from the law of the [true] God, it being expounded, and there being a putting of meaning [into it]; and they continued giving understanding in the reading.

>(1 Timothy 4:13) While I am coming, continue applying yourself to public reading, to exhortation, to teaching.

>(Colossians 4:16) And when this letter has been read among YOU, arrange that it also be read in the congregation of the La•o•di•ce′ans and that YOU also read the one from La•o•di•ce′a.


HOWEVER..

(Acts 17:11) Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes•sa•lo•ni′ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.

>>127410048
>The source of the doctrine of the trinity is the New Testament.

>>127404542
It's been admitted that it is based on ancient pagan Trinities and Greek Philosophy. The proof is in the description of the Trinity with words like "persons," "essence," "substance," "nature," and "hypostatic union," All that can be traced back to Plato and Aristotle.

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>>127411076
>pic
My God is real yours isn't

>>125637346

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>>127410836
Christians in name only, the more a country would remove Christianity out of politics, the more advanced it would be come. Had it not been for the Age of Enlightenment, where separation of state and church were pushed deeply, the West would probably be like the Middle East today.

>>127410996
Yeah, creating division in your empire, great guy.

>>127411038
Nice counter-argument, you sure thought me.

Now go back to worshiping a dead kike nailed to a cross.

>>127411076
>is still a Jewish invention
Keep believing that meme. The pogroms throughout the middle ages against jews are just a coincidence right? Let's not forget that Christians aren't allowed to emigrate to Israel.

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>>127411149
>t. retard

thank you for proving my point

>>127411076
>chosen people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k

>>127410799
I'm all about the appropriation of the BLACKED meme. (Claps.)

>>127411077
You can ascribe the label of God onto whatever you want to, that doesn't make it true. Even the question of "before the Big Bang" is flawed, because Time didn't exist yet. For all we know the universe will eventually become one giant black hole, collapse in on itself, and start a new universe all over again. There doesn't need to be a beginning or an end, just a continuous cycle. And there's no room for a God in a natural explanation.

By adding in an all-powerful, all-knowing immortal being, you're just adding an impossibly complex variable into the mix for no reason. A being like that would be 10x as complex as the universe itself, then you need a being even more complex to make Him, and again we have the problem of infinite regression.

Your desperation to add "God" into everything is so misguided it's sad that you can't think any other way.

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>>127411076
this anon is correct.
I know lots of good Christians, but when it comes down to it Christianity is the religion of our conquerors.

>>127411350
>the retard atheists during the French revolution progressed society
just stop

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>>127410965
Yeah, nothing wrong with sending white Christians to Africa or letting nigger Christians come here right? Check out these missionaries BASED new baby, notice anything about him? He's half black Fuckin' BASED

>>127411350
>Christians in name only, the more a country would remove Christianity out of politics, the more advanced it would be come
I'm entirely convinced now that you are some college leftist larping as a pagan. How exactly do you measure progress? By gay rights and cultural degeneracy?

>>127401132
But I am already a Catholic, OP

>>127411262
varg is not an atheist you dumb kike

>>127411256
Yeah ok bucko. Logic is the best tool for understanding the world, that's why you had to target Rome and all the philosophers. SHUT IT DOWN OY VEY!

>>127411476
>when it comes down to it Christianity is the religion of our conquerors.
If you lived in 10th century Sweden you might make that argument but considering Christians founded your country it's retarded.

>>127411258
Do you think the world will end within your own life time?

>>127411258
>It's been admitted that it is based on ancient pagan Trinities and Greek Philosophy.
Not by anyone who actually believes the doctrine. Leftists, like the ones you cited, hate Christianity, and oppose it, so they have as much reason to propagate these lies against the truth as you.

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>>127404933
>"Christianity is anti-science and anti-reason"
>Gets shown that Christians invented every major field of science and are responsible for most major innovations.
>"Oh, but that's not because of Christianity."
Stop right there, Rabbi.

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>>127411073
because they were money changing in the house of god

you are still justified to do that today thats the righteous thing to do its basically criminal justice

but that doesnt mean he wouldnt turn the other cheek if someone was slapping him

>>127411492
nothing wrong with helping out in africa no

but having a black baby will reduce its iq and make it more violent so its not a smart idea

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>>127410974
If you're asking me to tell you what happened before the Big Bang, then the only answer is that all evidence was destroyed in the Big Bang.

Occam's Razor, anon. Is it more likely that nothing spontaneously become an immortal, omnipotent, omniscient, conscious entity or that nothing spontaneously became some tiny particle or particle-like phenomenon that caused a chain reaction?

Google zero point energy, if you've never heard of it before. The universe is weird.

>>127411453
Appropriation? lol what are you some leftist faggot?

>>127411350
>Nice counter-argument
It wasn't an argument, neither was your retarded pseudo-history, retard.

Now go back to worshipping AIDS-infested homos

>>127401194
Funny because a pagan emperor, Julian the Apostate, worked with Jews to rebulild the Temple and end Christian dominance in Rome years later. Why was strong pagan Rome working for Jews? Why are you either disingenuous or historically illiterate?

>>127411555
Catholics =/= Christians

>>127411821
So your just going on what you believe not what you know but attack religious people for that

Reminder that the Vatican is the pagan Roman Church LARPing as Christians. They are using the money to build satellites named Lucifer and collect ancient pagan mounts of worship to build temples.

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>>127411262
My Gods* are real

FTFY, remember you believe in polytheism with three gods making up one Supergod. And color me surprised, a retard saying "my god is real urs isn't". That's so fucking rare.

>>127411485
At those times being an atheist was being shunned upon. Many scientists would just call themselves "moderate" Christians to avoid being judged by the religious retards around them.

>>127411504
You measure it by the freedom, equality and scientific progress it makes. Once Christianity was nearly taken out of power, Europe went from the oppressive medieval shithole it was to a full enlightened and advanced continent of prosperity and peace. Bottom line is, don't let Christianity gain too much power, otherwise it will fuck up your country.

>>127411600
>but considering Christians founded your country it's retarded.


Hahahahhahahah, good one, fucking idiot. Many of the Founding Fathers considered themselves to be deists, as I mentioned earlier. They believe in rationality, that is why many like Benjamin Franklin believed more in Deism than Christcuckery.

>>127412061
>repeating american "arguments"

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>>127410988
I'm an agnostic you cackling monkey. But it's also patently obvious that if we all believed in the same thing there would be more solidarity. By now you will have forgotten my first sentence, so move to the one below.

I say "more" solidarity --> not *complete*: to even approach that you need racial homogeneity. Odin is way "cooler" than Jesus but only internet people believe in him; and internet people tend not to get out of the house much. Again: I'm an agnostic. But my biggest beef with Christianity is it isn't ethnically aware; moreover, it's structured in such a way that it can't be: it's about your *creed* not your *blood*: the former is ephemeral, and subject to change; the latter is not.

>>127412003
The Romans encouraged other religions, not just the Jews, who they actually pretty viciously persecuted after all the rebellions/terrorism.

Julian the Apostate didn't rule over Judea. He was the last western Emperor.
>>127412075
Not at all. Where did you get that idea from?

>>127411765
Yeah fuck off cunt. They plagiarized their work from better thinkers, while silencing and executing them.

>>127412075
The difference is there is evidence for the Big Bang there is none for God.

>>127411985
>It wasn't an argument

You're one stupid dumbfuck, aren't you? Do you know what sarcasm is?

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>>127412212
scientific achievement isnt even the core value that anyone should care about

thats only what secularists want

im actually ashamed if any christians contributed to science

>>127412290
>still didnt watch the videos

>>127406306

Church obviously

>>127412177
>don't let Christianity gain too much power, otherwise jews,leftists and muslims are opressed
Basically what you said

>>127412192
You're an Agnostic Atheist you mean. Agnostic isn't its own belief position. You can be an Agnostic Atheist (I don't think there's a God but I don't know for sure) or a Gnostic Atheist (There's definitely no God and I know for sure)

>>127411474
>You can ascribe the label of God onto whatever you want to

No, because truth matters and God has to have certain qualities in order to be God, just like a triangle needs certain qualities to be a triangle.

> Even the question of "before the Big Bang" is flawed

It doesn't matter how you slice it, God is logically prior to the totality of all material reality, since he is the ultimate source and ultimate destination of every thing.

> There doesn't need to be a beginning or an end, just a continuous cycle.

Such a cycle wouldn't have a foundation for its existence for even 1 second, it wouldn't have a foundation to even exist "potentially" let alone actually, so no, you can't just have a bunch of shit flying around randomly for no reason, assembling itself into highly organized and coherent forms....

Phenomena need conditions/causes to exist, you can't have an infinite regress, otherwise the cycle never has a chance to even begin or manifest.

>By adding in an all-powerful, all-knowing immortal being, you're just adding an impossibly complex variable into the mix for no reason

#1 reason implies such a being, necessarily.
#2 the fact that this ultimate being is fundamentally impossible to explain is humbling and not a real problem. Who said the finite human mind should fully understand the universe, let alone God? Give me a break. Hell, if you try hard enough you can't even explain a chair or an atom or how your hand works, they all have irreducible complexity and infinitely many relationships to account for.

>hen you need a being even more complex to make Him, and again we have the problem of infinite regression.

No you don't, God is how you avoid an infinite regress. If X has a cause then it isn't even God in the first place.
God is by definition the ultimate cause and condition for everything. He is more fundamental than causality itself.

Without God no world or being could exist; youd have an infinite regress of unexplainable shit.

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>>127412356
I'm not wasting my fucking bandwidth right now on your little youtube video, no. I'll watch it later, like I already said, when I can literally afford it.

I also never said scientific achievement is THE core value, but it has to be one of them. We've obviously advanced too fast for our minds to adapt, we're still retarded apes and we need another 10 000 years of evolution before we should be flying around and using the internet. This is why the world is so fucked up, access to alien tech. Alien in the sense that it isn't natural to us, not literal aliens from space.

If you're so ashamed then fuck off the internet.

>>127401132
>White Conqueror forefathers...

*cringe*

Because i dont wanna believe in talking snakes my nigga.

Why is the most important message in the world so unconvincing dull and not at all unique? Why is that message delivered to idiots who didnt know what germs are via a book to people who cant read?

Theres i23u4932473 planets and galaxies and shit... and that book of yours doesnt talk about any other than our insignificant not unique speck of dust

Faith means to accept shit without evidence, in other words a trump supporter and i will not stoop that low.

/bullshit

>>127412620
>the fact that this ultimate being is fundamentally impossible to explain is humbling and not a real problem. Who said the finite human mind should fully understand the universe

You just disproved your own fucking argument beautifully.

>The fact that the Big Bang is fundamentally impossible to explain is humbling and not a real problem. Who said the finite human mind should fully understand the universe, let alone the Big Bang?

Fucking Cambodians.

>>127401132
I was raised in a strict Christian family, but I just never believed

>>127412918
>the Big Bang is God
Atheists, everyone

>>127410559
>The point is: we'd all have to be Catholic, or Orthodox, or Anglican -- some designated universal sect. Europe's history is full of Christians fighting Christians over sects, just as the Muslims now kill each other over Sunni and Shia shit.

1 John 5:19 - 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.

Luke 4:5-7 - 5 So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6 and the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. 7 You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.”

Revelations 12:9 - . 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

That's why we will never have true unity, peace, and harmony.

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>>127412717
id be fine if i was born 300 years ago without the internet

>I also never said scientific achievement is THE core value

thats what atheists believe

appeal to science always derp how many degrees do you have because they dont have a brain and opinions so they just accept the word of the top professionals in the fields hahaha dummys

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>>127412494
No. I don't mean that.

I literally have no opinion at all about things I can't have an opinion on. I can have opinions on things that are empirically observable and hypotheses that are testable and falsifiable.

Atheists who say that there is no god are in no better epistemic position than theists who say there is. Literally none of you know what you're talking about on that front.

It's actually okay not to pretend you have knowledge about the existence or non-existence of non-knowable things.

Attached is a picture accidentally drawn on the surface of Mars by Rover. Just because I think you should know there are dick drawings in space.

>>127413029
No, idiot, I don't believe in God. The Big Bang was what we think started the domino effect leading to us. It isn't something to be praised or worshiped and it has no spiritual meaning. It's incredibly fascinating and humbling but that's it.

Say hi to Mario for me.

>>127412290
>didn't read the thread
fag

>>125637346

>>127412918

>ignores the entire post
>misrepresents 1 sentence

ok. enjoy your brainlet box.

>>127411873
I mistakenly thought you could handle a four-syllable word. My apologies.

>>127413201
appeal to bible always derp how many titles do you have because they dont have a brain and opinions so they just accept the word of the top priests in the clubs hahaha dummys

You'd be fine if you were born 300 years ago because you wouldn't know what you were missing. That's not the same thing as refraining from it today, so exercise some restraint and fuck off. You'll never get to Heaven like this.

>>127413252
>>>125637346 →
None of that is evidence stop shilling your shitty little archived thread all the time.

>>127412799
>*cringe*
>>>/r/eddit

>>127413283
Your entire post is cognitive dissonance and it all boils down to
>logic is great and all but here let me spin this in a certain illogical way and then make an exception for God because I need him to explain my world view so I have to make special concessions for him to fit in and still make sense.

>>127413446
too bad fag
>>125637346
>>125637346
>>125637346
>>125637346
>>125637346

also
>SHOW ME PROOF
>*gets shown proof*
>No no not that proof

>>127405852
>this level of mental gymnastics to try to hold on to a semblance of monotheism

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>>127413412
>catholic
>christian

also just because theres some technology that i use doesnt mean that it replaces god and i only care about science now

>>127413620
Speaking of proof you're obviously 16 years old if you think someone found Noah's Ark on a mountain top.

I asked you to show me proof, and you show me bullshit. You show me skewed or outright false evidence. You don't understand what proof means, if you did you would concede like the smarter Christians that you CAN'T prove it. God is necessarily UNFALSIFIABLE. You larping fedora faggot.

>>127413648
Genesis 1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Is God plural or singular?

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This thread's run its course. Good luck christfags and vargfags and sciencefags.