/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL

>>127399764
Reminder that you're a moral relativist if you believe non-physical interactions between people can morally legitimately be responded to with physical force.
Reminder that if you're a relativist you should kill yourself for the benefit of all other actual humans.

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>>127399764

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>hey guys lets allow jews to do business in our country lower our wages ruin our land and then flee, avoiding all responsibility

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Ubuötte threäb

>>127400496
This is what happens when you have free markets instead of communism. The bread outnumbers you.

>>127400474
>lower our wages
Do you understand anything about economics at all?

>>127399764
Libertarians are 95% bubble boy suburbanfags living in a fantasy world where automation isn't a thing, niggers don't require physical removal, and mindless consumerism hasn't destroyed the collective conciousness.

>>127400474
Fine, nationalize the economy and kick out all jews because they are subversive and communist and will always ruin your libertarian social order. Now whats your argument?

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>>127400586
>allowing companies to set up shop in USA and import and sell chinese goods instead of paying US workers a decent wage isnt a libertarian principle

>>127400600
If automation is a bad thing than so are hammers and nails, levers, saws, and literally *ALL* forms of human capital.

>>127399764
Beserk likes cocks and ALSO BUY HIS PATCHES GOYIM

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(((Libertarianism)))

>>127400600
Niggers do require physical removal and consumerism isn't paleo-libertarianism.

ALABAMA SUCKS ASS, PLEASE FUCK MY ASS

>>127400726
There's a difference between mechanization and automation. One allows the effective redistribution of unskilled labor to assembly line positions and compensates increased productivity with increased demand, the other completely replaces unskilled labor in every facet.

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Reminder that Alabama is shit.

>>127400703
You're a producer of a tiny number of goods.
You're the consumer of a thousand.
When there's more competition in a labor market, ceteris paribus you can generally always expect higher productivity in an economy as a result insofar as that market is concerned, meaning higher supply and cheaper goods.

Which you benefit from. Monstrously. It's why you live a more wealthy life than 98% of the rest of the population of the world.

>>127400935
No - it's capital. From an economics perspective - which is WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT - it's not different at all.

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Libertarianism is cool and all, but patches are the final redpill

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>>127401108
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Reminder that God no real

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>>127401108

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We need libertarianismism so that my small business can advertise on national monuments

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fucking do it faggots

This has devolved into shitposting and semi-gay shitposting...

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>>127399764
"board of peace" huh?

That phrase bears a striking resemblance to another phrase I see floating around. Does "religion of peace" ring any bells for anyone?

Nothing.. Okay, what do I know?

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Join my Atheist movement pls

>Libertarian general

This shit is so fucking gay.

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Buy my patches, goyim!

>>127400968
Not going to lie, that is pretty shit.

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>>127401701
where do you think you are?

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>>127401810

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have a upboat you faggot

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Stupid christian normies

>>127401020
>just accept globalism goy we're all consumers after all :^)

>>127400829
>complains about strawmans
>is one huge fucking strawman post
Dire screencap

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Please by the patches, I need shekels for my family
edit: thanks for gold kind stranger

>>127399856
Why anti-homosexual, what business does the state have being in the bedroom of consenting individuals

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>>127401701
how fucking new are you normie?

>>127401088
I'm an engineer so IDK what you soft science econ faggots do, but there is sure as hell a difference between mechanization in the industrial era and the computerized automation going on now. This is self evidence by way of the price of low skilled labor which is the only thing the majority of people are capable of selling

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Daily reminder that non-autists aren't human

Sometimes the point has been made that air is a resource that must be charged, or does owning private property include the air within it?

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>>127401988

>>127401842
Wait, WHAT?

Im not in fucking sand nigger land. I know exactly where I am. Do you know where the fuck you are?

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>>127401988
What if the Child consents?

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>>127401988

>>127401949
What is globalism? Can you even define your buzzwords?

>>127399764
Y'all are retards.

>>127402172
y-y-y-you too...

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Join anticom or the non-existant god will rape you.

>>127402044
When the cotton gin was invented cotton pickers were no longer employed in the picking of cotton.
Was this a bad thing that should never have happened?
If you're an engineer, use your brain on this.

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>>127401988
Homosexuality destroys societies. It is not the government that should suppress homos but the culture. Our culture is being subverted by marxist degeneracy and destroyed.

>>127401701
you've got some nerve coming in here and trying to stir up trouble with a post like that.

>>127402244
Rule 1 and 2 faggot

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>>127402117
not an argument

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>>127401988

>>127402264
What the hell are you going to do with million of citizens with IQs of <100

>reminder IQ is almost completely genetic

>>127402135
>When there's more competition in a labor market, ceteris paribus you can generally always expect higher productivity in an economy as a result insofar as that market is concerned, meaning higher supply and cheaper goods.
>when china produces cheaper goods, we can let our industry stagnate and become dependent :^) its ok tho because theyre cheaper
t. libertarian

>>127402026
Not old, not new.

Maybe OP was using it sarcastically, not sure. Didn't seem that way. To me it seemed like the OP types the words "of peace" so many times a day in reference to mudslimes that it slipped out like some sort of tourettes outburst.

And, related to your question about how new I am: How does you finding interest in a message board before me make you better?

>>127402135
Globalism is the destruction of national culture by way of increased immigration, trade, and cultural exchange.

Also, why do libertarians value individual "liberty" above the health of their race and communities? Capitalism is a useful machine, but it's never wise to define your life based on being a cog within a machine.

>>127402362
neither is that

>>127402425
I'm not going to do anything with them. They'll find things to spend their time on just like they always have since the beginning of time.
What did the cotton pickers do when the cotton gin eliminated their line of work? Other things.

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Theists are retarded.

Also PA is best state

>>127401701
Lurk more.

>>127402561
JESUS CHRIST

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>>127402425
With your own private society you can require your citizens to have a minimum IQ or a specific genetic make up.

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>>127402506
>And, related to your question about how new I am: How does you finding interest in a message board before me make you better?

It's called a birthright, newfag.

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>>127402561
Why

>>127402511
Libertarians are naive because they assume everyone will play by their individualist rules.

News flash, only whites do. Every other group destroys you because they team up while we isolate as individuals.

>>127402125
Children do not have the maturity nor the understanding to consent to sex, adults do. The state has not place in the bedrooms of consenting adults.

>>127402511
you only need one of those; you can destroy a nations power by weakening its industry (a facet of culture) if you take advantage of their capitalist system which doesnt protect their culture

>>127399764
Give it to me straight, lads. What would be the best solution to remove all non-whites without violence? Is there a legal and Constitutional way of doing this?

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This is why I'm gay

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I like cook

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I want to be like this guy

>>127402587
The whole point is automation is eliminating the kinds of things they are able to do. At some point there aren't millions of manual labor jobs left. What happens then?

>>127402667
Prove that you aren't completely new to the site.

Oh, you cant? Wow. Seems like arguing over who got here first is purely masturbatory.

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its time

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Nederland hootdag

How long do you have to hold land after stealing it before it becomes your (naturally) rightful property?

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hey guys, don't mind me. Just going leave my pizza here for a bit

>>127402426
Do you understand how people come to be wealthy? Productivity, which is strongly correlated with capital accumulation and use.
Do you know what comparative advantage is? It's the reason we're incredibly wealthy and super competitive in high-value markets while China is still poor and only competing in markets where they have comparative advantage in.

>libertarianism
>right wing
>MUH FREEDUMBZ

you have to be 18 to post here

>>127402759
Have you read the constitution? Didn't think so.

The answer is no. Murder the non-whites like you really want to, or let them fuck your wife like the impotent cuck that you are. There is no middle ground.

>>127402264
They were redistributed to factory work which opened up more unskilled work than existed previously. Increased productivity was compensated by increased demand.

Today's automation is also compensated by increased demand, but that demand doesn't fall on sectors that employ low or unskilled labor (IE durable goods, nobody needs 10 cars), but rather on things like bussiness services and cultural products that employ skilled workers. This means a significant and rapidly increasing portion of society is economically obsolete. It's not hard to see why this is VERY BAD for societal stability long term. And no, killing them off is not a moral or viable option.

>>127403011
>Not cheese pizza
What are you? An Authoritarian?

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I fapped to this.

>>127403011
Mmmm... I really love to chain up my pizza too. Do you have any cheese pizza?

>>127402511
What's a "national culture"? People aren't even remotely similar going from one state to the next, let alone having a *NATIONAL* fucking culture.
If you've noticed over the past centuries, other countries adopt Western practices and get wealthier. The trend has been Westernization, not de-Westernization.

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Yum!

>>127402511
It's about fucking balance. Sure group preservation is great but then you have a shitload of different groups vying for power against each other. Communist, Fascist, Black, White Power, Mafia, Unions, Jews and so on. Take your pick on who you want to get fucked by. They'll all gang up on you to take your money to put in their own pocket. The only group that does not pose a threat to you is the smallest possible group, i.e. the individual. Government should only function in infrastructure and defense.

>>127403015
>all consumers participate in high value markets
>low value markets are of no importance to the economy nor peoples lives
yeah thats great but being momentarily rich doesnt mean youre not killing off your power by deferring production and patronizing china

Automation has been increasing for the last 250 years. Turns out people just find new jobs. New industries crop up with new innovation. As the world gets increasingly more developed, there will be more markets to reach, with the global birthrate steadily declining to equilibrium.

Also, libertarianism is retarded. Just as retarded as communism. Go centre or go back to your basement.

>>127402511
>above the health of their race and communities
"Health"? I'm advocating healthy relations between people. You're advocating slavery, destitution, and muggery.

>>127403251
Lets have sex in a pile of amazing Patches made by our lord and savior James Coney

>>127403324
dont reply to me or ill come to your state and vote blue

>>127402843
>The whole point is automation is eliminating the kinds of things they are able to do
So you would have opposed the cotton gin?

>>127399764

If NatSocs gave even half a shit about the future of western civilization as they say they do, they'd learn about economics and statism.

https://mises.org/system/tdf/Henry%20Hazlitt%20Economics%20in%20One%20Lesson.pdf?file=1&type=document

https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Anatomy%20of%20the%20State_3.pdf

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>>127403403
IM SORRY!

What is this "Anticom"? and where can I join?

>>127403407
the frontier world is different than ours; we can't walk out the house and settle virgin lands. in todays world we have to justify our existence by paying taxes and participating in an economy

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I love Lady Rabbi <3

just kidding cas here nobodies gonna join our shit cult

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>>127403552
go to link. email under contact page.

>>127403321
>muggery
This is the worst part of libertarianism. I don't advocate communism. Capitalism, at least to a certain extent, is still necessary in the modern world. But if you see things like taxation to help out your local community as robbery than you're breaking the natural human code of group loyalty, which is degenerate and immoral as fuck.

Libertarians are a symptom of globalization that has eroded cultural unity and trust in other people.

>>127403423
>if natsocs cared about western civilization they'd listen to these jews who say shit like quote related
''but also that the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die.''

so redpilled, truly libertarianism will save western civilization.

>>127403601
you stupid fucking cunt

>>127403552
It is an Alliance of right wing ideas against intifa.

Most of these are memes that sprung out of nowhere.

>>127403691
lmao im kidding my nigger its cas here get fucked

>>127402759
No they only respect force and don't operate in good faith as concerns anything else. They're animals. The blackpill is that we will either have fascism or we will be wiped out as a people.

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>>127403552
we have a discord. W2ta3M

PA is best state btw

>>127403771
what if the child consents tho

Tell me about the societies homosexuality has destroyed

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>>127403710
Horse shit, globalism is the ultimate enemy of individual rights and therefore libertarianism. Libertarianism advocates for national sovereignty.

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>>127403879

>>127403879
Rome, Greece, America, all of Europe.

>>127402848
he's obviously less new than you, you gargantuan faggot. you are in crystal-clear violation of the nap right now, and ANY SINGLE MAN in this board could righteously end you for this trespass.

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Ok back on topic

>>127403956
based gook needs to mcgas himself immediately

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>>127403879
>>127403970

>>127403079
They didn't just go to factory work. There's an infinite number of things people can spend their time doing, and the wealthier they and the people around them are, the higher a price they can place on their activities.
Has it occurred to you *WHY* it is that plumbers in the U.S. makes far and away more money than plumbers elsewhere despite doing essentially the same job? It's because the people around them are wealthier and can and will pay higher prices for services. Automation increases productivity - like all automation in the past and all CAPITAL does accomplish (automation is just capital) - and makes people wealthier, such that they can and will pay for things at higher prices for goods and services because there's simply more wealth floating around to do so with.
You do not need - NOR IS IT EVEN *REMOTELY DESIRABLE* - people to dig holes and fill them back up in the name of ensuring employment for people.

>>127404018
He does.

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@here

>>127403878
Children cannot consent without paying for the McSuckyFuckyFunTime subscription

>>127403276
that's a pollyana view of automation's actual effects. You just don't notice them since they haven't gotten to you yet.

Niggers became economically obsolete in the 60's and 70's with the rise of the service industry. Low IQ whites have recently become obsolete with the automation of clerical positions and skilled manufacturing. It creeps up.

>>127399902
Conservatives calling themselves libertarians is like weeaboos calling themselves mentally stable, fuck off.

>>127403879
also the ottoman empire

>>127402843
congratulations, you are now a communist

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How do i feel? I've been to the depths of embarrassment. And still I dig deeper into the Cheetos bag. I tried to ride a roller coaster in Las Vegas but the safety bar wouldn't latch because of my fat guy, so my friend and I had to get off, and everyone just loudly laughed at me. It's not things like that which get to me, it's not the fact I've long since given up on wiping my ass, and I now just shower after taking a dump. It's not the fact I get out of breath just waddling into the grocery store to buy more junk food and spiced rum.. or that my legs have gone all hard and red as fluid builds up because my calves don't pump it back up and I have to wear compression stockings to slow the inevitable gangrenous amputation. It's not those things.. what really gets me is now all of the normies now stare at me. I used to be invisible, I would stare at girls I liked hoping they'd look back but they never did. I used to be frustrated that no one ever looked at me. So it's ironic that now I have gotten my wish, anytime I go anywhere people are starting at me. I'm a walking freak show. Often I suddenly stare back at them and they freak out and look away, probably scared I'm going to eat them. I have to take 3 different pills to try and control my blood pressure and pre diabetes. I'm basically boogie2988 but ten years behind him. He will not survive much longer, but I still pathetically feel I have a chance.. if only I could walk for five minutes without my back feeling like it's going to explode and my knees crumbling beneath me.

>>127404053
That doesn't mean shit to the people with nothing but low skilled labor to sell. It's a logical fallacy to equate quality of life to GDP or even purchasing power.

People require purpose in their lives. This has historically come from work. Without this they become neurotic, hence SJW's, NEET's, etc.

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Okay friend, let me explain something to you since you seem to be new here. Hebephilia is NOT the same thing as pedophilIa. I'm sick and tired of you trolls popping up everywhere and spreading BLATANT misinformation. In many countries hebephilia is considered normal and healthy . Human beings have a natural attraction to girls who are going through puberty. Being attracted to girls who are pre-pubescent is fucking sick and disgusting, but only in the US does there seem to be an unwarranted taboo around a healthy and normal condition. My head hurts. I'm just trying to get my real life back.

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Reminder that death is a much more preferable alternative than communism

>>127403970
This basically says women should not be able to have a say in things. Duh, women are fucking stupid and make decisions bases on emotions instead of logic. Says nothing about homosexuality.

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>>127400296
CORRECT!

>>127403734
Are we really to believe you read that whole essay?

>so redpilled, truly libertarianism will save western civilization.

You're right, give a bunch of economic control to the government. Real winner there.

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If I could do anything, what would I do?

I would create an underground ring of sex slaves that were all male bodybuilders that specifically identified as being straight. I would seduce each and every one of my sex slaves as a personal conquest to prove that my strength was superior to their own. My cock could rest each night; hilt'ed inside of muscle slut. His innards would expertly milk my pulsing cock for hours; and they would each beg for just a taste of my power.

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>>127403251
>all consumers participate in high value markets
>low value markets are of no importance to the economy nor peoples lives

>>127404003
All of those declines are result of women having say, and not being the property that they are

>>127404294
I laughed really hard.

traps aren't gay

>>127403578
>we have to justify our existence
To fucking who?
Go fuck yourself - nobody needs to "justify their existence" to fucking anybody.

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Are you like some kind of woman hating faggot?

>>127404777
kek confirms

>>127404777
Checked

Still gay though, you faggot.

What happens if company x wants to being in tons lf cheap immigrant labor to beat company y?

>>127403710
>taxation to help out your local community
So good it's mandatory?
What if your first-born child is requested "for the good of the community"? Say he shows talent as a musician, and it would be in the "public interest" to take him from you to be raised by the state to produce music?
Where are you deriving your absurd and seemingly completely arbitrary lines for when it's okay to violently enforce your whims on other people?

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>>127404777
kys faggot

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>>127404777
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

KYS FAGGOT

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>>127404992
With high-end sex dolls costing in excess of $10,000, it's a massive investment. It's also a commitment of resources. What happens if you fuck a fake 10k doll one time and discover it's just too fucking creepy for you? Now you're stuck with a 10k doll that just sits in your house, staring out the window at cars passing by. In a bid of desperation to get it out of the house, you put up an ad on craigslist but all the responses you get are just from weirdos who want to "test drive her".

>>127404777
TRIPS OF TRUTH, THANK YOU FUCKING THANK YOU SO MUCH

A lot of libertarianism could actually work if western society was still largely religious, rather than consumerist/athiest. This is one of the reasons for natsoc, to instill higher values in the population as a whole, since capitalism works better when money is a means to an end rather than an end itself that you're willing to fuck over your fellow citizens for.

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>>127405080
Begrudingly, realizing you have no further use of the doll, you let one of the prospective buyers try it out. After waiting downstairs watching ripples in your tea form from the earth-shattering shaking coming from your dead mother's old room, the buyer comes out and decides he doesn't want to purchase it after all. Now you're stuck cleaning dried, crusty stranger semen out of all the orifices of the doll and then rinsing it down with an acetone/alcohol mixture to kill off any remaining viruses or bacteria. You'll think, 'what's the point? I'm never going to use it ever again.' And for weeks, it just sits up in your mother's room, gathering dust. You finally pick up Tindr again and make a desperate bid to go out with a real woman. Sure, she has two kids, is missing a tooth, and has a weird growth coming from one of her boobs -- but she's a real woman. And after a night out on the town, you come home smelling like cheap pussy and bad perfume and you look at the doll. Sure, it would be a 10/10 if it was real. But it's not. It will never pretend to buck wildly on your throbbing member. Its adulation and enjoyment purely mute. After a few scotchs, you decide to try anal. Why not? It's not like it can really feel anything. After several attempts to jam your half-mast member into its tight polyurethane-lined asshole, you settle for the plastic vagina. It's a loveless affair -- for both you and the inanimate object you're fucking.Then one day you come home and it has a knife in its hand. It says that if you don't fuck it, it'll cut off your dick and feed it to your cats. Oh fuck no! you think as you get out the shotgun. Fearing for your life, you unload a quick but satisfying volley of double-ought shot into the doll. After the smoke clears, you realize that you just blew a 10k load all over your living room.

>>127404408
They'll find something to use their time on.
They always have.
They *ALWAYS* have.

So - historically - why should this case be different when historically no other cases have been?

>>127399969
This is the most stupid thing I've read today, if you abolish state and privatize everything there wouldn't exist borders anymore, just private property, so immigration as we know it wouldn't happen. If your neighbor thinks it's ok to invite a thousand niggers to his place there's nothing you could do about it, fucking faggot.

>>127404744
???
>lets let our economy freewheel off wealth of previous generations' industry and transfer all our labor force to consumer industries like advertising and shuffling around foreign goods to make sure our economy still has nice big numbers on the big jewish numbers board, this wont have any adverse effect on a nation :^)

>>127404818
>by paying taxes and participating in an economy
otherwise, you die, you fucking nerd. you know this, right? finish a sentence before replying

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>>127405022
bullshit strawman, same as ancap kindergarten heroin prostitutes.

I'm not even going to debate this since libertarians refuse to acknowledge the presence of a mutual social contract.

>>127405308
>bullshit strawman
I asked four questions - questions don't state a position; it's not even possible that that post creates a strawman of *ANYTHING* you complete illogical dipshit.

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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little globalist? I'll have you know infowars.com gets over 11 million hits a month, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on the Bohemian Grove, and I have over 300 confirmed Bilderberg protests. I am trained in memetic warfare and I'm the top pundit in the entire US. You are nothing to me but just another shill. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with taking our guns and making frogs gay? Think again, globalist. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of alt-rightists across the world and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, globalist. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call the European Union. You're fucking dead, goblin. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can break your conditioning in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in information warfare, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States alt-right and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable propaganda off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" propaganda was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, Soros.

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>>127405108
You need to read reactionary liberty.
http://reactionaryliberty.com/

>>127405022
>equating taxes to offspring
>there is no reasonable amount of tax
you know thats not libertarian right

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Jeb fan here. Pacific Northwest.
You're a fool if you think Jeb heads aren't armed. Shit man a lot of us served. Those of us who haven't have family who have, family in law enforcement, and so on. I've hunted and gutted deer. I've slaughtered squirrel in potato fields. I've fought. I've wrestled. I used to skate and I've broken so many bones I've literally lost count and walked half of them off. And there's nothing special or exceptional about me. You're a fool if you don't think Jeb heads are formidable. For every straw man pic you have of a faggy old cuck with a Jeb! sign or inflatable Jeb! balloons I have a pic of a fat virgin beta orbiter Trumpster with a weak stance who still flinches when he fires. I don't presume that Drumpfkins are not formidable. I grew up surrounded by Trump types before they became the Trump types. I know what they can do. I've hunted with them. But that's what's funny about these neolibertarian pseudofascists. They assume they're the toughest guys in the world and everyone else is soft. That's why they keep losing wars. The south loses. Every time they flex. Jeb heads are ruthless when cornered. We burned Atlanta to the ground and used rape as a weapon of mass psychological operation, disrupted troops and marched right up to Jefferson Davis front door. We designed a bomb that destroyed entire cities, then we upgraded it. We invented remote control flying guns and remote control bombers.. Don't fuck with us. The south will rise again? Fine. We'll put em down again.

>>127405709
>reasonable amount of tax
How much money can I reasonably extort from you?

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>>127405825
will you pave my roads in an effective manner?

>>127405898
The companies who build your roads now either do or they don't.
If they don't you can pay other people to do it better instead of getting stuck with the shitty people, or if you like them you can keep paying them yourself.

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Ignore Joe threads

Hide Joe threads

Don't reply to Joe posters

>>127406134
whats wrong with a community coming together to pool money (taxes) to pay a contractor to work on a communal project

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>>127404162
Nah, there's just more of a global labour market to compete with. Workers in nations with well enforced workplace regulations can't compete with backwards shitholes that are desperate to escape shitty agrarian lifestyles. That better society costs more to live in because there's more money and services making your life better. Trade, including that of labour, creates winners and loser, but it creates more winners than it does losers. What YOU are not seeing is the benefits elsewhere, the rapid growth of the middle class in places like friggin China or friggin Estonia or friggin wherever the fuck else that finally embraced liberal capitalism. All you see locally are the losers from trade.

Rapid change hurts. Economies, the environment, whatever. It doesn't hurt so much if it's done slowly, or finished. This is why it will eventually help everyone to reduce global inequality.

If automation really does just benefit an elite few, and that wealth doesn't go toward education or training low skilled workers, then there will eventually be riots. Really, though, it's more of a debate on the limits of humanity and how many people you think will hopelessly be only prepared for low skilled labour. I'm inclined to think that we have a lot of room to improve. We just have to not nuke ourselves to death first.

>>127405825
This all comes down to the purpose of the state. Every non-state society that has ever existed has been conquered by a neighboring nations. This is because militaries based on individualism fail. Taxes should pay for a military that is able defend the society.

There are also cases in which some services will not be profitable to provide is some locations of the society for example areas with small population concentrations. Those services should be providied through public means, however a private option should not he made illegal, and should be a viable option alongside the public option if profitable.

>>127406347
A community coming together to pool money isn't taxation, because "coming together" implies people are voluntarily taking action of their own accord and agreeing to help fund something together with others. Taxation is the opposite of that - it's violently taking people's property *whether those people like it or agree to it or not*. That's *MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE*. I'm absolutely in favor of voluntary crowdfunding for projects that people want to see get done - what I'm *NOT* in favor of is bureaucratic leeching goons threatening people with arrest and death for not complying with their extortion racket.

>>127406764
>people are voluntarily taking action of their own accord and agreeing to help fund something together with others
yes, that is called the voting process

>>127406759
I don't care what the purpose of any given thing is if what that thing does involves moral atrocities. If the purpose of creation and use of a world-destroying bomb was world peace, I'd object to it regardless of its intent or motive because I think murder is morally reprehensible.

>>127403734

>allowing to weak and feeble-minded to die without centralized intervention is a bad thing

no lol

>>127404652
you have to be 18 to post here

>>127406881
No - it does not justify threatening people with violence to take their property because the people threatening you give you a chance to vote on your master.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxRSkM8C8z4

>>127407076
so edgy

Ok, now I'm strongly considering being a right-libertarian, but I have some questions, and I would appreciate if they were answered seriously, because I'm asking them seriously.
>Who would pay for scientific laboratories? No company on earth directly benefits from a particle collider, but we can agree (I hope) that scientific advancement is very important. Quantum physics had no applications for years and years and years, until BOOM, atomic bomb, transistors, etc.
>Who would pay for environmental research? Undoubtedly, it's in the fishing industry's long term interest to not overfished, but in the short term, overfishing mean more fish for me and less for the other guy.
>Wouldn't advertising be a problem? No regulations means lying in your ad is A-OK. Reviewers could still catch bad products, but most customers don't buy based on reviewers.
>With no FDA, wouldn't small businesses be inclined to spike their soda with cocaine, to keep consumers coming back? Even if people find out and they go out of business, they can just start another one, in another place. Some people would be warned, but most people aren't looking out for that sort of thing.

>>127406759
Oh, in those pragmatic cases you're talking about, they're addressed.

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf

>>127407383
>edgy teens
>right-wing

>>127407184
thats fair

>>127407383
>Who would pay for scientific laboratories?
http://tomwoods.com/ebook/Busting-Myths-About-the-State-and-the-Libertarian-Alternative.pdf
Starting on page 68 on "Basic Science".

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>>127407383
big scientific projects are only government funded because government is taking the position of the aristocracy; rich people with scientific interests would still exist to fund neat shit; they just wont derive their wealth from taxation

>>127407766
>defending an ideology thats never been put into place outside of your parents basement

>>127407899
>rich people
>aristocrats

you have to be 18 to post here

>>127407972
>libertarianism isn't the foundation of all societies

what other ideology can exist without roads????

>>127408080
>autism
>the foundation of any functioning society

>>127407972
>never been put into place
That's a false statement.
http://tomwoods.com/ebook/Busting-Myths-About-the-State-and-the-Libertarian-Alternative.pdf
^ starting on page 113.

>>127408203
whatever you say shlomo

>>127408288
You shouldn't make statements as if they're facts when actual facts contradict your falsities.

>>127406764

>morally wrong

not an argument.

smaller crowdfunding means less economies of scale to harvest, while those that don't partake reap the benefits without having to invest themselves. the bigger incentive is literally to not invest and therefore people will largely wait for someone else to do it. i think that's called the bystander effect.

>>127408511
>(((facts)))

whatever you say kike

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I recently had an argument with a friend about the nature of taxation in this country.

I have no problem with being taxed (forced to pay) for public goods like roads, security, emergency services, and utilities. However, I do not think that I should be forced to pay for schools that I do not use. If I do not go to a school and I don't send my children to it either, I should not have to pay for that school. Essentially, I argued that no one should pay for a good or service that they do not use.

My friend disagreed with me, and argued that taking money from taxpayers and allocating some of that money to school systems, even in shitty areas, is an investment in "human capital" that could bring out the potential in people who, if their school were not publicly funded, would otherwise have resorted to selling crack and other such things. He argued that being taxed for non-public goods like education is a compulsory investment in human capital meant to increase the quality of life. So, since I benefit from these educated individuals by them going into medicine, engineering, etc., I should be compelled to pay for their schooling, and not just whatever products/services I purchase from them.

I'm embarrassed to admit that my only responses were:
>It's immoral to force people to pay for things they don't use
>Allocating taxpayer dollars to public school districts, especially to those in poor areas, is forcing them to gamble
I feel that I did not sufficiently refute his argument with those. Can anyone help me (preferably minarchist, but ancaps are welcome as well) formulate a better counter-argument to the human capital argument?

>>127408726
>forced to pay

don't like it, move. but then again teenagers can't afford to move out of their parents basements.

>>127408726
you ought to have pointed out to him the faults of the school system; corruption etc

>>127408533
It is an argument. The argument is "If something is morally wrong, that something ought not to be done."
That is exactly an argument - it's in perfect premise -> conclusion form.

>smaller crowdfunding means less economies of scale to harvest
People whose interests are more at stake are more likely to pay for something in which their interests are integrally tied than people whose interests aren't so tied. Duh. I don't think disparate interests is something "wrong" with humanity that humans need to "correct".

>>127408636
Keep telling yourself that, tin-foil bro.

>>127408726
No, because libertarianism thinks externalities don't real. What your friend was talking about are positive externalities. What you are talking about would create a shit ton of negative externalities like crime

>>127408726
It's okay to be forced to give up your property so long as you like the reason you're being threatened?
That seems pretty Stockholm-ish.

>>127409146
says the basement dwelling teenager who doesn't pay taxes.

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>>127408726
>>127409112
Actual libertarianism on actual positive externalities in public goods.

>>127407435
Did you even fucking read this before you linked it. On national defence, the author concludes, that a government in its most basic and simple form, although still a ciminal organization, is necessary for defense against non anarchist nations.

>>127409343
>teenagers
>reading

>>127409343
That's not David Friedman's position.
He says he's not sure what the case actually is.

He has an entire chapter on national defense *in that book*. Maybe YOU ought to actually read it?

>>127399764

Academia is the prime reason sjw cancer is festering.

First: get rid of the government guarantee that student loans will always be repaid. Not only has this raised the cost of college but it's made having students - too profitable. Those profits then allow the college to retain these useless adjunct professors like Eric Clanton for decades to come.

And 2: couple the legislation with a one-time forgiveness of current student loan debt. The vast, vast majority of these leftwing activists who will rail and rage against the idea of number one (because those universities interested in perpetuating the profitable current situation will try to rally them to their cause). The only way to completely neutralize that is to look at the fact that they all -have- a lot of student debt. Couple those two pieces of legislation together, and the normally rabid sjws ready to mobilize against proposal one will betray every principle they hold in favor of self-interest and advocate for it.

The end result?

Universities will have to swallow their losses if they churn out students who can't get jobs. Bye, Gender Studies departments! Bye, Sociology Masters students! Bye, affirmative action people who will never be able to academically hold their own and graduate and then get a job to repay their loans!

This will have a much greater impact on the useless fluffy majors that churn out sjws. STEM will be safe, and STEM is not prone to sjw-ism. So-- a culling and reduction of those most cancerous elements in academia. No Christine Fair or Melissa Click type will survive this.
That will happen, leading to a great cull of academic adjunct professors. They will have to go to the real world and work. And there, life and work and taxes will red pill them.

And college tuition will have to sink to levels affordable by the average joe again, so bright kids can actually pay for college once more.

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>>127409112
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>>127409000

nice trips

Your premise is faulty because it's entirely subjective. I can just say it's morally wrong for you to be so selfish. I can even back up why it's selfish, because your way has measurable negative outcomes in the form of externalities. Taking the most slanted biased definition of taxation and calling it immoral has no negative consequences beyond your feefees.

Honest question: how would you deal with people that wouldn't contribute toward crowdfunding for anything yet still reap the benefit? There are many instances where you simply can't stop them from doing so. Once again, the greater incentive would be to not invest and let someone else do it. Once most people realize that, nothing gets done.

>>127399764

I'm a right libertarian and Gary Johnson was a fake ass libertarian. Wanted open borders. I voted Trump.

>>127409584
>his actual position isn't what he stated

wow, what a great rebuttal, you're calling the people you cited liars.

>>127409597
but they will still not be able to be employed and they will not have an excuse to run from this fact anymore

>>127409737
>it's entirely subjective
No - it's objective. God is the basis of objectivity.
>b-but I don't believe in God
I don't care. You're irrelevant.

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>>127400296
cringe

>>127409737
>Honest question: how would you deal with people that wouldn't contribute toward crowdfunding for anything yet still reap the benefit?
like what

>>127409861
Without student loan forgiveness, the colleges will not keep them comfortable while they just sit there for years collecting debt and avoiding the real world and being indoctrinated.

They will have to wake up to reality. The harsh real world of having to hold a job and keep it will force them to do it for the first time.

>>127409779
I'll quote him from the book, since you're a sub-human low-IQ dipshit who can't read!

"Although national defense is primarily a public good, there are parts of it which can be sold separately to individuals or groups. Foreign states would probably treat a national defense agency as a government with respect to such matters as passports and extradition treaties. It could get some income by selling passports, arranging to extradite criminals from foreign countries at the request of local protection agencies, and similar enterprises. In addition, there would be some areas which a national defense agency would have the option of defending or not defending. Hawaii, to take an extreme example, could be excluded from the nuclear umbrella covering the mainland. Communities on the edges of the defended area, although necessarily protected from nuclear attack by any national defense system, could be defended or not defended against conventional attack. A national defense agency could go into these areas and inform those individuals and corporations who had the most to gain by being defended (large landholders, insurance agencies, and the like) that they would have to pay a price for defense. In all of these ways a national defense agency might raise enough money to finance national defense without taxation.
Obviously, a system that depends on local agencies evolved for a different purpose or a ramshackle system financed by charity, passport sales, and threats to Hawaiian insurance companies is economically very imperfect. So is a system financed by coercion and run by government.
These arguments suggest that it may be possible to defend against foreign nations by voluntary means. They do not prove that it will be; I am only balancing one imperfect system against another and trying to guess which will work better."

>>127407766
Thanks for the link, I'm reading that now. My question about science has, for the most part, been answered. You know Planck solved the ultraviolet catastrophe while commissioned from an electric company? Wouldn't you know.

>>127410231
such salt, also tl;dr

>>127410272
Most discoveries and inventions throughout all of history have been by a single person largely doing their own thing.
That's important to note whenever someone tries to argue you need massive funding of enormous groups of people working on research and development projects for humans to ever have success in scientific discovery and technological innovation.

>>127399764
>ITT lets take a concept to the extreme and make the entire concept look bad from the get go

>>127409341

Those things were all shit and available only to a privileged few before they became public goods. History is entirely counter to what this is saying. Private roads only lead to where the builder finds profitable. Increased availability of transportation has had enormous positive externalities in facilitating the work force and providing a larger pool for employers to draw on, bringing costs down while providing opportunity for those in the labour force

.>>127409863

That's a cool story, bro. Just ignore everyone that thinks otherwise. I'm sure your ideology will catch on that way. Once again, reality is a thing. You actually have to listen and compromise with other people, in any society, government or no. It's called living with other people. If you don't want to do that, go live in the bush.

>>127410635
thats literally their wetdream

>>127409584
It basically says that the US might be able to defend its self by non taxation, voluntary mean but this defense is not gauranteed. The author concludes that to tional defense financed by taxes—financed, in other words, by money taken by force from the taxpayers? In such a situation I would not try to abolish that last vestige of government. I do not like paying taxes, but I would rather pay them to Washington than to Moscow—the rates are lower. I would still regard the government as a criminal organization, but one which was, by a freak of fate, temporarily useful. It would be like a gang of bandits who, while occasionally robbing the villages in their territory, served to keep off other and more rapacious gangs. I do not approve of any government, but I will tolerate one so long as the only other choice is another, worse government. Meanwhile, I would do my best to develop voluntary institutions that might eventually take over the business of defense. That is precisely what I meant when I said, near the beginning of this book, that I thought all government functions were divided into two classes—those we could do away with today and those we hope to be able to do away with tomorrow. las vestige of government" is required. I would agree, militaries require destruction of the individual and a strong hierarchical command in order to function effectively. Individual communities defending eachother have been historical crushed by organized nationalist militaries

>>127400968
im a white hispanic, and i date a girl from there. I hate niggers. but this bitch....i think she really is a kkk nazi. and the kicker is she is and italian/armenian mix mutt adopted and raised by white southern baptist in that cesspool alabama. i will give their college footbal props....even though thats all they got. even my bitch is trash

>>127410635
Positive externalities are positive - people who have need of things make them happen, and if other people can benefit from what someone else did in their own interests that's a good thing.

>reality is a thing
Yeah - the one governed by an omniscient, omnipotent God who's laid down objective moral rules for humanity to live by.
I'm not looking to convince you - I'm stating how I'm living and to what standard moral behavior is to be judged. If you don't like that I'm sticking to rules like "theft is wrong", "lying is wrong", "violence is wrong", or other such rules, I'd say you're a complete moral aberrant, since those rules are only contested really by people most would deem incredibly mentally unwell.

>>127410912
I know what his position is - I've read him many, many times.
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>>127410635
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>>127410966
>white hispanic
xD

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>>127410635
>>127408726
t.

>>127411067
i agree with you man. its what drives me crazy when people knock Christianity. I'm not a theist but you do have to respect and appreciate the values it has produced for western society in the context of the values and standard moral/acceptable behavior. The Ten Commandments are pretty much the standard rules for modern society when dealing with each other in all interactions. Even (((Judaism)))

>>127402699
>Children do not have the maturity nor the understanding to consent to sex

But they have the maturity to consent to an irreversible sex change operation?

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>>127411363
im a cajun beaner. figure it out yourself

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>>127410635
>>127410635

>>127411606
>christianity
>producing western values

t mexican intellectuals

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>>127411363
Laissez les bons temps rouler puta madre

>>127399764
My thing is mainly about total free market economy. Buying and selling of goods and services without interference is a good thing. But when it comes to investment banking, they need the shit regulated out of them.

>>127411067

What I'm saying is that once people realize they can still get the benefit without paying in, they won't pay in. Then nothing happens and there are no positive externalities.

You can stick to those morals without taking them to an ideological extreme that has no context. There are practical and biological reasons why those things are wrong. 200k years ago if you were living in the bush and starving, would it be 'wrong' for you to steal someone else's food? Wrong to them, not to you. And in this case, the benefits of not dying would far outweigh the risk of...dying. Thankfully, we've gotten society to a stable and complex place where we don't have to make such drastic cost-benefit decisions. Violence is wrong because a) this person might have some knowledge or skill that I don't, and b) I have a sense of empathy that goes back beyond the formation of our own species, extends beyond it, and makes me realize that if I act in good faith toward others, they will do the same for me (mostly). Boom. Easy. No fluff about objective morality involved. Now we have the law to help us enforce these things, which makes it even easier to live by them. This has been totally off track, regardless, but I typed it out and I may as well post it.

>>127411970
>Buying and selling of goods and services without interference is a good thing
k shlomo

>>127411970
Do you think the current banking apparatus is a free market phenomenon?
Do you know what the Federal Reserve is?

>>127411831
never said i was intellectual. thanks i guess. i'm not a mexican. those are bigger mutts than me. im Spaniard and cajun french and Native American. And a Texan. I bet you are a yankee arent you?

>ctrl f "borders"
2 hits. you are all jew fags itt.

>>127412067
What's the beef there Lenin?

>>127411429

That's so disingenuous. Every example is trivial shit that a single person could afford. We are talking massive investments that absolutely require societal investment and can't be burdened by an individual. Nothing but a reductio ad absurdum fallacy.

>>127412034
>What I'm saying is that once people realize they can still get the benefit without paying in, they won't pay in
Sometimes that happens, other times it doesn't. People can get the benefit of good dining service without tipping, but most people still tend to tip. There are reasons for humans to engage in activities besides an immediate monetary cost.

>Then nothing happens
No - in the case of most things with positive externalities, they *DO* happen regardless of other people chipping in or not. That's both empirically demonstrable and intuitively plausible - a person who has a need to get a good from point A to point B does not twiddle their thumbs sitting around wondering how he could possibly do so while simultaneously stopping other people from benefiting from what he or she needs to get done anyway, and if they decide it's not possible they just do nothing and stagnate. They make the something they need happen regardless of whether or not other people may benefit, because *they need that something*.

>>127412418
>cites kike authors
>calls others jewish

whatever you say shlomo

>>127412034
>200k years ago if you were living in the bush and starving, would it be 'wrong' for you to steal someone else's food?
Yes.
Morality is objective. It's not relative. You can have different opinions about what you think is *NORMATIVELY* right or wrong, but I don't care about normative morality because it doesn't correspond to objective moral truth.

>>127412520
Don't really read much political shit, but that buying and selling bit is pretty much the base of libertarian economics policies. Not really sure which jew said it, but you're reading into it WAY too much.

>>127405162
Right, to HIS place, and no one elses.

>ID: uHdLs25y
Kill yourself

>>127412476
>and can't be burdened by an individual
Most individuals can't fund any commercial projects themselves. But people who need something make it happen. You're trying to make an argument that the scale of things is just "too far" beyond what people could manage to voluntarily fund here, but people voluntarily fund *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY* more massive projects than the vast majority of public infrastructure projects.

>>127412496
im sure the people who resist or dont comply will be erradicated off. i wonder how that will turn out if you look at the statistics by race in the end.....

>>127412777
10/10 shitpost

>>127413039
Didn't know Stalin gave you time to troll.

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Take the TRUE redpill, my semi-redpilled friends.

>>127413143
>you're a communist if you don't listen to kikes
k

>>127413235
Well appraently you don't believe with free market economy, so you must lean to the socialist side of the issue. Want to go steal a factory from some guy who built it with his own ambition, red guard?

>>127413456
>presuming im a socialist

typical, every edgelord teen presumes that everyone with whom they disagree is a commie.

>>127413625
Well then tell me where this idea is wrong, you know since you're so above it. Try beating the idea, not some retard shit like Antifa.

>>127412084
total bullshit. The federal reserve is a private institution but it still has a monopoly on currency creation. It is not in line with free market principles.

>>127413787
>ur a socialist
keep shitposting basement dweller

>>127413987
Can you read?

>>127414010
>0/10 troll skills

Fuck you're terrible at this.

>>127407310

nice raid

>>127414313
>repeats the same lines over and over
>criticizes others

pottery

>>127414354
go back to plebbit

>>127413005
Specifically, like what? Public infrastructure projects are more than just their immediate costs, they have maintenance costs as well. They often have ongoing externalities, not just a one-off.

>>127412496

We are talking about things that need to be crowdfunded. Not a single person deciding to do something. The average joe can't afford much on his own. Your idealized billionaire captain of industry is far in the minority. The average joe has no choice but to twiddle his thumbs until enough people are on board with the idea to crowd fund. The idea that people are entirely rational and perfectly informed is just not true, and good ideas can seem like bad ideas not worthy of investment. People largely do not like change until the benefits are smack-you-in-the-face obvious. Look at vaccines. They are something that needs to be approached as a group, yet a bunch of morons ruin it because they are irrational.

>>127414449
delete system32 and reboot

>>127414979
t mexican intellectuals