/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL

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We are paleolibertarians, holding conservative and traditional values. We believe the best way to preserve these values is by allowing people to live as they please, allowing the responsible to survive and the stupid and degenerate to fail.

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>>127304703
Shame!

>>127304722
Are paleoconservative and paleolibertarian the same thing?

What do >we think of Pat Buchanon

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>>127304752
I'd have a beer with him

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/lrg/ seeks to differentiate ourselves from the mainstream libertarians who promote nothing but weed, gay marriage and multiculturalism.

>>127304746
>The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling that nothing is worth war is much worse
I agree completely, there can be no pacifism if we are to secure our own freedoms.

>>127304752
Not quite the same, paleolibertarianism is still more anti-state that paleocons. although we do share alot of the same virtues.

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Communists are self proclaimed aggressors against private property. Their worldview is incompatible with libertarianism and so they must be subjugated if we are to have a libertarian social order.

>>127304774
ah, I see. I'm pro-state since I think libertarians can't get the job done

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Some say libertarianism equates to liberal "tolerance".

These people are mistaken in thinking we approve of or will even tolerate such destructive lifestyles such as homosexuality, prostitution, pedophilia, polygamy. We see the state as the biggest promoter and protector of these types of lifestyles. In the absence of the state no one will prevent discrimination against these groups or subsidise their breeding. We see libertarianism as a sort of evolutionary eugenics.

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Right-Wing populism is a strategy that suits libertarianism well. Cutting taxes/welfare, opposing globalism, and defending family values not only applies consistently to libertarianism and opposes the ruling class., but also appeals to the majority of americans/countrymen.

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We must make clear what we are and what we are not. Many people who call themselves libertarians are really just liberals who are not economically ignorant. We oppose leftist/liberal tolerance, destruction of the family and so on.

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>Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property
https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property

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Agorism is a joke, sure you can get some tax free trade which is good. It is foolish to believe selling weed will supress the states power.

ANTI-EGALITARIANISM
>We began by considering the common view that the egalitarians, despite a modicum of impracticality, have ethics and moral idealism on their side. We end with the conclusion that egalitarians, however intelligent as individuals, deny the very basis of human intelligence and of human reason: the identification of the ontological structure of reality, of the laws of human nature, and the universe. In so doing, the egalitarians are acting as terribly spoiled children, denying the structure of reality on behalf of the rapid materialization of their own absurd fantasies. Not only spoiled but also highly dangerous; for the power of ideas is such that the egalitarians have a fair chance of destroying the very universe that they wish to deny and transcend, and to bring that universe crashing around all of our ears. Since their methodology and their goals deny the very structure of humanity and of the universe, the egalitarians are profoundly antihuman; and, therefore, their ideology and their activities may be set down as profoundly evil as well. Egalitarians do not have ethics on their side unless one can maintain that the destruction of civilization, and even of the human race itself, may be crowned with the laurel wreath of a high and laudable morality.

>EGALITARIANISM AS A REVOLT AGAINST NATURE
https://mises.org/library/egalitarianism-revolt-against-nature-0

>RACE! - MURRAY ROTHBARD
https://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch75.html

>THE BELL CURVE - RICHARD J. HERRNSTEIN & CHARLES MURRAY
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/the-bell-curve.pdf

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These two books are required reading to post in this thread.

>ANATOMY OF THE STATE - MURRAY ROTHBARD
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Anatomy%20of%20the%20State_3.pdf

>DEMOCRACY-THE GOD THAT FAILED - HANS-HERMANN HOPPE
http://www.riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Hoppe_Democracy_The_God_That_Failed.pdf

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What about women though?

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just memes now baby, maybe i'll post some more. maybe i wont. Good day all.

>>127304992
But seriously, do they have natural rights like men or not?

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Listening to Hoppe speeches all day
https://youtu.be/in3sacFHcck

>>127305143
Sorry I didn't read that wall of text, but I would say so, will they be equal to men in their performance? Probably not.

>>127305143
Yes. But equality of opportunity != equality of outcome. They will have to compete on a true level playing field.

>>127304703
>>127304703
>muh freedum
Why should I care?

If someone thinks they can create a better world than one in which freedom is absolute, then why wouldn't they? Assuming a better world is simply just one full of more happy people, is this not better, and is freedom not relatively evil in this case?
>>127305177
Not believing in human rights doesn't make them void all of a sudden. That wouldn't mean you believe that human rights should be selectively applied, just like most commies.

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It's all the same.

All government comes down to "How can I best steal from my neighbor without letting him steal from me?"

>>127305177
What a comfy way to spend the Saturday my friend.

Got the Corax conf ticket already, what should I tell Hoppe to write in my copy of Democracy?

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>>127304993
>fucking based
The catchphrase of Nu-pol. Typical.


>>127305615
Except you can't demonstrate how that's true for the third position and for communism.

>>127305686
fuck off, havok

>>127305552
>That wouldn't mean you believe that human rights should be selectively applied

And what would happen when you reject to accept their arbitrary limits on your human rights?

>>127305901
>reject to accept

Please be all around clearer with your posts.

I don't know whether you are referring to communists or ancaps when you ask this question.

>>127306068
The part of the post I quoted refers to commies.

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>>127306240
So I suppose my answer is that they already do. Communists believe that class warfare against porky is justified. They however don't have a concept of a NAP.

Lolspergtarians still need to deal with this contradiction.

>>127306388
I've dealt with it.
See >>127304789

>>127306477
So expression of intent is grounds for summary execution...

However you're no better as you express intent against them.

So no moral high ground for you.

>>127306852
>So no moral high ground for you.
LOL, is that the best you can do? Wew, at least you agree that your assertion that the NAP is a contradictory to our removal of commies was false.

This is the all powerful logic of stirnerite homos.

>>127305621
What else: "physically remove..."

>>127304703
Points of discussion:
What do we do if degeneracy gets too widespread and the free market doesn't solve it and bring it back to traditionalism? For instance, I don't see nigger communities ever naturally moving back to traditionalism, the environment breeds nigger tier behaviour and it gets spread downwards to the young. So no intervention in this scenario will just lead to more niggery.
So there are three parts to my problem:
1) What happens if the free market doesn't revert the culture back to traditionalism?
2) If it doesn't revert the culture back to traditionalism, at what point is state intervention required?
3) If you want to stick to minimal small government and not use state intervention, what other solutions are there?

>>127306852
>Person A wants you to eat whatever you want, he wants chocolate
>Person B wants to kill you unless you eat vanilla
>Person A defends himself, but somehow according to a dumb stirnerite in pol this defense would make person A just as bad as person B

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>>127307178
You're right, it's probably not a good argument.

However you still need to declare that declaration of intent is grounds for execution.

>I'm going to smack you in the gabba
>*bang*
>twas self defense!

>LOL

wew,

I've never really played around with the idea that the NAP has contradictions before so forgive me for being slow moving forward.

>>127307401
>>Person A defends himself, but somehow according to a dumb stirnerite in pol this defense would make person A just as bad as person B

>Implying person B's declaration of intent is grounds for execution

See, this is why police are handy. They can ARREST people for declaration of intent.

>>127307540
If you base your entire argument around the disproportionate response to a mild act of aggression, then of course you're going to be right, but the problem is that you're the only one in this thread who spoke about execution.

>>127307479
A threat is a threat, you can understand that your friend was joking when he said he was gonna kill you and not kill him, but even so coercion is to violate the terms of non aggression. Defending yourself is up to you. No one is making you kill people for what is seemingly a joke.

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>>127307870
>but the problem is that you're the only one in this thread who spoke about execution.

Yup... I'm really off the ball tonight.

Hell, I don't even believe you need intent in order to act preemptively. Not sure why I'm arguing this.

>>127308288
I suppose this brings us to the question of to what extent can one flippantly act against other under the pretext that the NAP was violated. Whereas in our organized society we have laws, the NAP is a rather simple concept. Would you support a strictly drafted constitution?

>>127308543
Contracts. If I'm a libertarian, in a libertarian "frame", and I want to live among people who think like me segregated from people who don't think like me, I would search for a community/private city where communist ideas/democracy is strictly forbidden via contractual obligation.

The response would have to be simply eviction in case of contract breach from the tenant.

>>127309086
So this would be Hoppean ancap yes?

>>127304816
>libertarians are anarchists
this is your brain on memes

>>127309145
Correct.

>>127310284
Don't know enough about your ideology to critique it. I just don't think that you're going to get far with freedom as your god as opposed to happiness. Of course I'd advocate being your own god, however I'd also advocate building a world that you'd like to see. not because it's "free", but because it pleases you.

Would I be correct in saying that Hoppean ancap has a twinge of Troskyist thought in that the revolution needs to be global so that monolithic global powers can't come in and tread on you?

>>127310490
Obviously no ideology can defeat the entire world's military powers, but no, self defense for an ancap nation is definitely possible

>>127310490
I, and most libertarians/ancaps in these generals, don't believe only in freedom.

For example, I believe in your freedom to smoke, I will not allow you to smoke in my house though. I believe in your right to be homosexual, I would not want to live in a community where gay pride parade is a thing, I believe in your right to take drugs, I believe in my right to tell my daughter not to do drugs unless she wants to get her teeth kicked in (so to speak).

Happiness is subjective, one person might be happy with a lot of money from immigration, another person might be happy with less money but more racial purity around him. The right of association and dissociation allows us to pursue our personal happiness and that's what I defend.

>Would I be correct in saying that Hoppean ancap has a twinge of Troskyist thought in that the revolution needs to be global so that monolithic global powers can't come in and tread on you?

Not at all, anarcho capitalism does not require global acceptance. Other powers trying to tread on us is a possibility, China trying to wipe us would probably end badly, just like it would end if they tried to wipe Malta today, no amount of state would save us from getting btfo'd with one nuke.

International response against aggression towards countries that just want to commerce and peaceful coexistence is usually uniform though. You could say that we count on that, on people all over the world unifying against China, along with our own defense.

If China started conquering peaceful countries and the rest of the world didn't give a shit, would end badly for everyone, not just ancapistan.

>>127310987
See, Trotsky predicted that if communism was established, the statist capitalists of the world would unite against it.

As for the defense of an ancap state, I find it hard to believe it could be made effective without a full time black army. And a black army can exist because in some forms of anarchy the black army will be entitled to what they need just like the rest of the populace. Defending a communist or anarchist collective would therefore probably be easier than defending an ancap collective, as the ancap collective would probably require individuals to pay capital to the black army. This would of course need to be done voluntarily. Or perhaps in Hoppean ancap, it would be art of the social contract. And even then, would all of the autonomous collectives agree to act in unison during military matters? Would those surrounded by friendly collectives bother to chip in, or instead force their neighbors to defend them through defending themselves? Would there not be a propensity to internal war over these disagreements?

The way I see it, Trotsky's theories apply here just as much. Only with the intriduction of capital as a variable, probably mmore so.

If I had to choose between communism and ancap I'd have to choose communism based on it's propensity to attain longevity.

>>127311520
You would of course believe in their freedom to do what they wish so long as it doesn't infringe on you, though, correct? I don't personally agree as that could well degenerate society.

>Other powers trying to tread on us is a possibility
If the state is a tool of oppression exclusively as some of you guys seem to think, then states everywhere would shit themselves. Then again, the rootless international clique will probably run rife in your capitalist hives so you might well be safe.

>f China started conquering peaceful countries and the rest of the world didn't give a shit

The problem is a bunch of countries fabricating reasons to invade you, citing "human rights"
and shit like that. You'll never be safe unless you can defend yourself and make friends.

As it turns out, just having discussions with you guys is more educational and thought provoking than just arguing with you.

>>127311983
I agree that a lot of statist leaders would like to go to war against against somewhere that threatened democracy, but I doubt the public would be in support, especially not if it was peaceful.

In event of war, ancapistan can put up a good defense. For one, it's decentralised, you can't simply just take the capital and have the rest of the country fall. It'd require extensive bombing (and retaliation would be pretty strong) or other more extreme tactics.
Secondly, it's incredibly hard to invade for the same reason, plus everyone should be heavily armed. By this I mean, well just look at 'nam and how the most advanced military in the world lost to a bunch of farmers because they were defending.
Third, I'd wager the collective might of every REA in ancapistan would be pretty strong.

>>127312400
>You would of course believe in their freedom to do what they wish so long as it doesn't infringe on you, though, correct? I don't personally agree as that could well degenerate society.

Not necessarily infringe on me, I believe in the right of dissociation. You could be homosexual, what you do in your bed might not infringe on me, but what if my happiness depended on me knowing my neighbors are not degenerates? The market should have the capability of offering me a way to dissociate with homosexuals.

Now this is a complex topic and we could write a lot about it, but out belief is that economic incentives lead to a lower degeneracy and that the state, and the possibility if offers you for enjoying the benefits of living in society without having to be exposed to judgement or discrimination, are the biggest degeneracy enablers we currently have.

>>127312860

Fighting a war against a heavily armed, heavily decentralized opponent in their own terrain is a nightmare scenario. Doing it against a sworn society of self-defense pacifists with principles of free information and ubiquitous broadcasting adds another layer of nightmare. Any atrocities you use to break the defensive advantage of this society will be known forever.

>>127312860
>but I doubt the public would be in support, especially not if it was peaceful.
You underestimate propaganda.

>For one, it's decentralised, you can't simply just take the capital and have the rest of the country fall.

Breaking up the chain of command basically makes the enemy as effective as an ancap defense would start out.

> It'd require extensive bombing (and retaliation would be pretty strong) or other more extreme tactics.
Or just take what you want.

>Secondly, it's incredibly hard to invade for the same reason, plus everyone should be heavily armed.
Tacticool retards versus an army of professional soldiers...

> By this I mean, well just look at 'nam and how the most advanced military in the world lost to a bunch of farmers because they were defending
And because they had a fucking army as well as tanks from the soviets. Also, internal strife in America lost them that war. They were going to win easily. Like, really easily. The kill to death ratio was 20 to 1. The 1 includes south Vietnamese deaths.

>Third, I'd wager the collective might of every REA in ancapistan would be pretty strong.

>Be REA
>Big ass army coming
>Hey big ass army, wanna not hurt me in exchange for stuff and friendship
>okeh

Just one of the ways this can go terribly, terribly wrong.

>>127313539
This is rather complex. I'm not sure where to go from here, but you definitely make some good arguments.

I'm going to fuck off to bed now cause I don't feel like thinking any harder. Very interesting ideas tho. Something to think of.

>>127314059
I'd much rather fight a bunch of riff raff than an organized defense. An unorganized defense is slow and unreactive.

>>127314066

>You underestimate propaganda.

no u

Seriously though, both sides have access to propaganda. Capitalist propaganda has a funny kind of efficiency (HAIL TO THE MARKETING GODS) when it really gets put to the task.

I don't feel like going through your whole post, I just wanted to point that out. Marketing gods... not usually my faves, but there's power there.

How can one be a left libertarian. Libertarianism is always on the economic right

>>127314709

Left libertarians are basically half-libertarian moderates. "Libertarianism is good, but we've got this huge state now, and we shouldn't dismantle it recklessly before we figure out what all the bits and pieces are doing." They want cautious reforms towards the introduction of a market economy.

Ever played Crisis in the Kremlin?

>>127314881
But Gary Johnson isn't left libertarian then. He's all for free market, dismantling government programs and agencies

>>127314396
A pleasure, feel free to come any other time, we're quite open to exposing our ideas.

Expanding a bit on the topic of economic incentives I mention in >>127313539 and not necessarily as a response to the australian poster.

Imagine that research shows that black people tend to infringe higher costs on healthcare than white people, with the right of discrimination that we libertarians advocate for, one company could use this research and create an insurance only for whites backed by this research piece.

Now, initially this is going to have a negative response from the majority of bleeding heart retards, most people are going to refuse such insurance. But this company doesn't care, they are covering a market niche and they're doing just fine economically.

Suddenly, people in this insurance are saving thousands per year thanks to discrimination against black people. Now, people who initially rejected the idea of discrimination start seeing a reason to purchase this insurance, they are not racists, but they're looking for themselves first.

Eventually other companies see the enormous success of this insurance company and try to emulate it. Perhaps another company decides not to be fully racist, but make some numbers, notice trends, and now they allow black people with college degrees because their crime rates are the same as whites.

What would black people do in this situation?

They would need to adapt, they would need to demonstrate that they can reduce their criminality and be part of society benefits again.

This is how economic incentives deals with degeneracy, described with broad strokes.

>>127316501
Same goes for homosexuality -> low time preference, STDs -> Higher costs opens the opportunity to discriminate against them and see good results

Drug addicts -> You can see it so easily here

Etc. In the end, degeneracy is expensive, and is only enabled when the costs are forcefully socialized.

>>127317358
Not racemixing that's pretty cheap

>>127317457
Women who engage race mixing are more likely to end up as single mothers and be abused.

Quite expensive.

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>>127304703
Libertarians are degenerates.
Authority and fascism is natural.
Kill yourselves.

>>127317666
Not all of them and anyway in this free market women will have more money available if they work a job

>>127318211
But as I post in the example of Black people criminality, all you need is one insurance discriminating race mixers and demonstrating that their costs can be lower than those insurances that don't discriminate race mixers. Which is possible, because race mixers tend to incur higher costs.

>>127318183
You're an idiot, probably Jewish too.

>>127318458
And there will be insurance for race mixers, you would still make a profit. Another example McDonalds or another business in ancap is not about to stop selling burgers to gays nor are insurance companies, if you make a small profit off the race mixers then it will continue.

An Insurance isn't gonna drop all insurance claims for young white men since they crash their cars way more, just make it a little extra then your average white driver but they would have to keep it low because there still is a market for white young men car insurance

>>127318857
>And there will be insurance for race mixers

For sure. But it will be more expensive.

Women will have to weigh this factor in before race mixing.

>Another example McDonalds or another business in ancap is not about to stop selling burgers to gays nor are insurance companies

McDonalds probably not, because they have no incentives/way of reducing their costs by discriminating gays.

Healthcare insurances, however, would be able to reduce their costs by discriminating/charging more to gay people.

>just make it a little extra then your average white driver but they would have to keep it low because there still is a market for white young men car insurance

Right, but, again, all you need is one company doing market research and noticing that discriminating X will allow them to offer lower costs to the rest, which will allow them to dominate the market.

>>127319430
>Healthcare insurances, however, would be able to reduce their costs by discriminating/charging more to gay people.

If they make a profit off the gays then they would have more power then someone who discriminates against them, I don't like them but theirs enough of them to make money for a insurance company, you imply they are a negative bank balance

Even if you were correct and several companies all abandon them there will still be several other companies selling relatively cheap insurance for these people because there is still a market, therefore their insurance just comes out a little more expensive but it's still payable and livable with.

>>127320143
I don't think you're understanding what I'm trying to convey here.

Yes, there will be a market of insurances for gay people, there's money to be made there, I don't imply they are going to have a negative bank balance, I imply that they incur higher costs.

I, repeat, don't claim gays/race mixers/degenerates will be abandoned, only that the costs for their insurances will be higher.

Example:

A company decides to socialize the averages, group of people A costing 100, group of people B costing 50, insurance cost 75.

Another company realizes that by discriminating group of people A they are able to offer group of people B an insurance at the cost of 50.

This second company will dominate the market for people B.

The first company will be forced to charge people A 100 because they cannot reduce their costs by socialization anymore.

>>127320864
I understand that I'm saying that small rise in pricing will not be enough to counteract homosexuals or Race mixers. Say what you want but people do crazy things for love and paying a couple extra dollars or something is worth it to these people.

>>127321292
You would also need to factor in all the single-mother benefits women get in social democrat countries that make life more expensive for married parents and single people.

Income support, housing benefits, tax reduction, all these from the top of my head, all these would not exist in a libertarian order.

>>127322022
They wouldn't have taxes either though, if they had a job they could support the insurance along with food and other life things so that does nothing to stop race-mixing and homosexuality except in the very poor.

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I'm loving pass users only /pol/, it's officially an AnCap board. Socialists BTFO!

>>127318183
THIS!!!
MAN WAS MADE TO LIVE WITH A CAGE ON HIS COCK A COLLAR AROUND HIS NECK AND THE COCK OF THE STATE UP HIS ASS!!!!!

>>127328047
Exactly, without an authoritative government who would stop me from smoking weed?

>>127328358
Exactly!
Without an authoritative government who would stop me from eating too much?
O-or tell me what do?!

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>>127304986
Kek that image. You did good friend.

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>>127305008
You updated the image! Amazing anon thanks a lot

>>127328787
Clear proof we need a state so I can finally have a father fig- i mean prevent degeneracy!

>>127329277
>mfw the most statist people I know have massive daddy issues
everytime

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>>127305621
"Physical Removal, so to speak."

Make sure to tell him to search his name on YouTube and search Brent Ancap and Hoppewave

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>>127329110
>>127329226
Right on.

>>127318857
I think Maltabro is trying to say that the ultimate benefit of AnCapistan is freedom of association. Politics and security provision would cease to be a power struggle and would instead become a saleable market service (or service packs). There'd be hundreds of thousands of different packages catering to different ideologies, cultures, preferences and groups. Political strife and culture wars would end because there would be no state apparatus for political parties to fight for. Conservatives would get their own coverage by insurance companies that not only provided defense in a specific geographical area but also enforced contracts regarding behavior under said area (no homosexuality on common property--or even personal property, depending on the degree of traditionalism in demand--, no drugs, no "degenerate behavior," etc.) and it would all be perfectly compatible with the libertarian ethic since there would be no coercion involved. Don't like a particular set of rules? Vote with your feet.

Of course this wouldn't stop degenerates from existing, but at least they could live in their own cesspool and not disturb the rest of us civilized people. And since the state as we know it would cease to exist and the financial/cultural burden on the "oppressor" class of white, normative hetero families would disappear, this new world would certainly eliminate most degenerates just by eliminating the welfare state.

>>127304703
unpaid, voluntary bump

>>127336201
Bump for rightful liberty

One more time

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So to speak.

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What was he thinking?

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>>127337597
so slow

>>127338778
Why the government hasn't lowered his damn taxes

>>127338778
>this federal faggot really thinks that his faggy death sentence will stop the militias
>Waco was your bloody massacre,my act was our current declaration of Independence faggot

>>127329405
>mfw
where is your fucking face fag?

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When your land is overrun with shitskins, but that's okay because it wasn't real Libertarianism, so you move to somewhere with a stronger network of anti-immigration contracts, then your land is overrun shitskins, but that's okay because it wasn't real Libertarianism, so you move to somewhere with a stronger network of anti-immigration contracts, then your land is overrun shitskins, but that's okay because it wasn't real Libertarianism, so you move to somewhere with a stronger network of anti-immigration contracts, then your land is overrun shitskins, but that's okay because it wasn't real Libertarianism, so you move to somewhere with a stronger network of anti-immigration contracts, but then your land is overrun shitskins, BUT ITS NOT OKAY BECAUSE THERE IS NO MORE WHITES

>>127340356
Pay-per-view.

>>127340455
>When your land is overrun with shitskins, but that's okay because it wasn't real Libertarianism, so you move to somewhere with a stronger network of anti-immigration contracts
end of the story

>>127340455
>>127340455
>When your land is overrun with shitskin who starve because there is no state to provide gibs and property violaters are shot on sight

fixed

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>>127304703
I love these. Keep up the good work. We need more historical figures, like Pinochet, and a harkening back to a golden age, like the fifties.

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Since libertarians are non-interventionists, you support the Western nation's decision to no help Rhodesia in the Rhodesian Bush War, right?

>>127342519
Give me the sweet deets and I'll let you know what I think.

>>127342379
Yeah I'd like to do some of that.

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>>127304703
Join your local anticommunist death squad.

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>>127342519
Free trade. If they want to buy our arms and maybe contract a PMC or two, fine by me.

>>127342519
libertarians are stooges for the military-industrial complex

>>127342519
Also, you'll notice how much help statistics were (except the kikes, ironically)

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>>127342625
We need to become less bookish and more active. The natsocs have hitlers europe to point to and say, "look it worked." We need some period and place in history where right wing libertarian policies were implemented successfully and everyone was beter off because of it. Pinochet's Chile is a good example, but can you think of any others?

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>>127342816
>Random Assertion

Citation needed. Not an argument.

>>127304722
rothbard didn't support closed borders retard

>>127342755
So would you be fine with selling weapons to the Saudis who then give them to ISIS and other terrorist groups?

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>>127340455
>Hasn't read Hoppe

>>127343830
>He hasn't read Nations by Consent.

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>>127343952
Not if ISIS is our enemy in your scenario.

Though we'd probably not be allied with Saudis either, if that was the case (in the scenario).

Your scenario is common in the confused realm of modern statecraft, but would be very unlikely to arise under an AnCap / RIght Libertarian System

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>>127343952
Nope, can sell to whoever I fkn choose. Don't know if you've noticed, but in the two examples you gave, it was states actions - US government sells to Saudi, US and UK govts didn't back the rhodies. Meanwhile check what free men were doing, look up the crippled eagles for example

>>127342519
If the intervention is voluntarily asked for, why not?

>>127343801
do you have a personal issue with defense contractors and (((banks))) buying off politicians for more contracts and money and literally work with the pentagon on creating more conflicts through revolving door corruption and vested interests?

if you dont you're a stooge
.t constitutionalist

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You guys should really read Reactionary Liberty. Dude wrote a magnificent book.

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>>127344716
>My life sucks because of (((Them))), honest.

>>127346952
>i love being taxed for wars that dont benefit me

dik cheney pls

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>>127346952
>i claim to hate big government but like it when its extremely corrupt and creates wars for you know who

complete stooge you are

>>127304703
Hello guys, your problem is that you dont understand that Might is Right and logical conclusions cannot disprove that under any circumstances.

Now deal with it. Fucking anarchists....

>>127304722
>Hans Hermann Hoppe is oposing open borders.
Are you maximaly retarded?

His ideology is against the state, so there arent borders at all, other then private ones, witch arent open.... ok, I didnt say anything.

>>127304703

Do Libertarians believe in the right of conquest? Like for example (re-)colonizing Africa without giving a shit about niggers *coughphysicalremovalcough* cuz they're 70 IQ subhumans?

>>127344481
>US government sells to Saudi
That was indeed government action
>US and UK govts didn't back the rhodies
How is that an action of the governments? They decided to take a non interventionist stance on this specific instance, to not back Rhodesia. Individuals are free to join or volunteer to any military group, but libertarian governments are supposed to be non-interventionist. And apparently the volunteers weren't enough to win the war.

>>127305008
THANK YOU FOUNDING FATHER

>>127305008
>>127351405
Also add the nooses on the landers.

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To all the faggot "nat-soc" idiots here

>>127351500
No problem, btw I'm loving "founding father" totally Stokes my ego. I originally cut the nooses cuz I thought it'd be too ugly next to the oven but if Slovakia says so then it will be done.

>>127344716
The politicians are supposed to serve the people, the bankers are supposed to die for manipulating currency, the weapon dealers are supposed to maximize their profits.
The politicians are the truly despicably evil ones in your example. Try again.

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>>127342625
Any ideas my dude? I got some photoshop skills and also am in Anticom which already spreads libertarian propaganda.

>>127347683
>>127348099
You're delusional and an open fabricator of lies. You're going to be harvested for your organs and your bones will be ground up and used to make concrete for the roads we won't even use out of sheer spite.
Resistance is futile. Might makes right. Liberty or death.

>>127348154
Since they're NAP violators, sure.

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>>127352616
I was thinking maybe some of that 50s looking vector art of classy white guys I'm suits. I think I have an image related on my PC hold on a sec

>>127352616
Black bloc is a tactic, not a group.

>>127352149
It's good, my man.
You think you could do an ANCAPISTAN one with the whole LRG squad?

Hows it going reddit!

Anyone know some really good subreddits that I could get into?

>>127353223
I hear r/cuckhold is pretty good.

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>>127352616
Not specifically this image but maybe somthing like it is what i thought when you mentioned 50s stuff. Maybe a family man holding a rifle and a bible with his family behind him. that kinda imagery.

>>127353211
What do you mean specifically?

>>127352905
1. Anarchy is if there is no state
2. Due to the "superiority distrebution" there will be a very superior person
3. He will become king and there will be a state

believing in anarchy is believing in some sort of powerblance.

>>127354521
If a coercive central authority is formed, we will aiborne oven them and start anew.
More struggle than the NeetSocs could give you in a millennium.

>>127353969
Me, you, Maltabro, Portubro, and the rest of the squad sitting around a table in a gambling hall being served by T H I C C Brazilians. Kind of like Please-Clapperton's backdrops, but less faggotry and more /lrg/.

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>>127357119
I like that idea a lot!

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>>127357119
nice, i'll see what i can put together.

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>>127304935
>>127304938
>>127304939
>>127304942

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>cuckpitalism
this semen slurping ideology is not for me

>>127304703
Every man deserves their right to true liberty

/pol/ General Discord:
swp3YFF

>>127359921
You're just a racist commie. Fuck off.

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>>127359921
Socialism is parasitic and expansionist by is warped nature, it will inevitably turn into marxist communism. this is the case everytime socialism in any form is enacted. even pic relateds form of socialism.

>>127342982
USA, 1779 - 1812

>>127361436
Well, that didn't last long...

>>127361436
This. You could maybe also make a case for Switzerland?

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>>127361266
>kindergarten humor
cant say hitlerite scum deserve much better

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>>127362215
So just to be clear, you're not gonna deny that even national socialism will become just another marxist communist shithole?

>>127362783
ofcourse im denying that

>>127361926
Neither did Nazi Germany.

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>>127363113
Yeah ok, explain how it will be a non-expansive, and maintain an ethno state, you're gonna need alot of workers, the more the better. where are you gonna get them from? explain to me so I know you're not just /leftypol/ cucks failing to meme themselves into /pol/'s welcoming embrace. you're a literal communist.

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>>127363671
>Yeah ok, explain how it will be a non-expansive, and maintain an ethno state, you're gonna need alot of workers, the more the better. where are you gonna get them from?
from my territory, not that hard. Strasserism is not internationalist
>you're a literal communist.
never said that

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>from my territory, not that hard. Strasserism is not internationalist
brilliant, its so simple "we'll just do it".WOW

Fuck libertarians, I'm a strasserfag now. NazBol is cool, fuck cuckitalism

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>>127364938
do you like my DANK lefty memes BRO. fuck LOLSPERGTARDISTANS amiright?

>>127365537
are you alright there bud? You seem upset

>>127365364
it really is THAT simple

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>>127365812
I'm just having a hard time coping with realising that i was wrong this whole time, that having to download all these completely DANK lefty memes.

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>>127353969
Can anyone do something with this? Preferably some retrowave or black and yellow filter with a quote about protecting private property or removing commies?

>>127366673
I'll give it a shot.

>>127366301
sad to see you go an a ramble, i hope you get over it

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>>127366301
Is this nazbol thing just like a big joke? I dont get it.

>>127366904
its a russian thing

>>127304722
There is literally Nothing libertarian about This post. Right-Libertarianism is about creating a voluntary society based with unregulated capitalism

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>>127368128
Paleolibertarian AnCap is the master race. I agree that we should have a voluntary society. We just don't want to be forced to associate with marxists, open borders cucks and homos

>>127356769
if you agree that people will try to form authoritys, why do you call yourself an anarchist?
(I am not a NatSoc though, to be honest its kinda sad, my political system is "formless power", its exactly what it sounds like)

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>started browsing /pol/ as a Johnson tier libertine/"libertarian"
>quickly shift to national conservatism, shill for cancer like state surveillance and mixed market economics
>get into lifting and get /fit/
>2 years later /fraud/ for a while and decide to try tren
>4 months of the mental sides of tren somehow make me a paleolib/ancap, am 100% sure that the way trenbolone changed my attitude towards the world in general changed my ideology since nothing else in this time period significantly influenced my worldview
What does this say about our ideology?

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>>127304703
>PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS
Pls add NatSoc fags. They are no different from commie scum.
>muh socialism for white will work for sure, even though Nazi Germany was devastedted economically

Yeah, sure, here's your one way ticket for a helicopter ride.

>>127371207
Only if we also include anime fags.

>>127371037
glad you got out of the shit-lib zone.

>>127371322
That would be violation of the NAP. Are you just larping as a libertarian?

>>127359921
>that pic

hahahahahaha gross aftbqhfam-a-lam-a-ding-dong

>>127371550
Fuck off you fucking nerd.

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>>127318183
I don't care whether it's natural; it's immoral.

>>127370912
Maybe I should elaborate.
Formless power means that there is no ultimate political system, nor an optimal political way.
90% of a political system is to ensure the sleep of the slave caste.
The slave caste is about 95% of the poeple and it will allways stay this way.
The top 5% (maybe even less) are constantly fighting over the power to control the rest.

Thats basicly it.

Economical system to enforce on the slave caste is to dependent on the current time to be optimized and war socialism may even be better then capitalism in war times.

But law is only used to ensure the tyrany on the slave caste and fighting of the guys who are not in the slave caste.

But why is there no ideal way to do so? Its again to dependent on the current events and public opinion.

>But what is the conclusion? How should one act when following this "ideology"?

"Strive for power
Enforce your ideals
Hold the power"

Would be one possible conclusion, but again. Higher people are individual, there may be different conclusions, the most retarded sounding and general advice is: "do your thing".
But when this is aplied to higher people, its not about drinking beer or producing shitty mixtapes.

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>>127371207
It's more the Strasserists and Nazbols that need to be mashed.

They need to be reminded of the night of the long knives.

>>127372172
go pray to your god faggot.

>>127371037
Where the hell were you scoring tren in the UK?

>>127372726
You read Might makes Right?

>>127371207
this. a thousand fucking times this. this whole "we can get along with nazis" bullshit should also earn fake anarchists a fucking helicopter ride with cantwell being the first chucked out

Guys I think we should add a FAQ section that sends the reader to a chapter of Reactionary Liberty. It really covers the entire thing and each chapter is 10 pages long average so even the most suspicious NatSoc can get a quick rundown on why we're right. Thoughts?

>>127374870
what part? i havent read yet but i hosted a download link for it,
https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/03/21/reactionary-liberty-robert-taylor/

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>>127375508
Thanks for posting the link. I got the book in physical form in the meantime but it was your link that persuaded me. Here's the template for the post:

FAQ -- Every question you could have about Anarcho-capitalism, answered in one single book.

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/03/21/reactionary-liberty-robert-taylor/

>Why reactionary libertarianism and not Fascism?
Introduction

>How would ancaps deal with cultural Marxists and other subversive attitudes?
Chapters 4 and 5

>But about what about limited government and constitutions?
Chapters 6 and 7

>But what about the poor, the sick and the elderly?
Chapter 10

>You guys are globalists and support open borders right?
Chapter 13

>Without the state regulating the market, who will stop corporations?
Chapter 3

>Okay, you've convinced me. Now what do we do?
Chapters 11, 12, 14 and 15.

>>127376759
Damn, I haven't read this yet. Bookmarked it and forgot. This is the one hoppe recommended to some anon, right?

>>127376759
awesome, I have to read it now

>>127377056
it was a screenshot of an email allegedly to hoppe, no confirmation. the email adresses were blurred.

>>127377056
Yes it is. It's fantastic I've been reading it non-stop since I got it. It's up there with Triple H's masterpiece.

We should also add to the FAQ:

>But what about monopolies and cartels?
Chapter 9

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>>127369324
Fuckin' A. Much appreciated my dude. Have this.

>>127377382
i'd do an edgy quote but i couldn't come up with anything.

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>>127377496
Now we can use it for all kinds of different quotes.

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>>127373326
it's piss easy to get if you hang around on the right forums
pharma IGF-1 and some of the very new research chems/peptides/SARMs like anamorelin are the only things I have any difficulty getting my hands on
>tfw buying gear through the grey/black market means no govt getting their hands on my money
>tfw unintentionally agorist

>>127307348
Legitimate questions. Someone please respond.

>>127307348
>>127378876
OK I'll have a go at #1 (although I'm ancap). Firstly remember that in this society there are no gibs, no affirmative action, voluntary association only. You literally have to stand on your own two feet. This is most compatible with traditionalism, as those cultures that can't compete on a true level playing field will die out. Reliance on the family unit grows as, again, no welfare etc, so as in traditional societies, you look after the kids when you are young, then they return the favour when you're old.

In ancap you also have the option of covenants, contractually based groups that come together to live a certain way. A covenant could be based on white traditional values, with those violating the contract being excluded.

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>>127307348
>>127378876
read hoppe nigga
covenant communties

>>127307348
>>127378876
Read the new FAQ >>127376759

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Guys, what do you think about faggots?

I think it's okay if they fuck each other in the butt on their own property, but if I see one on my lawn I hope he's prepared for heavy fire.

Help me out with a bit of cognitive dissonance I've encountered /lrg/.

I consider myself a libertarian, but perhaps I'm not as far right as many of you are. I think that the government exists only to protect the people and carry out a few tasks which would fail under the free market. For example, I think that some regulatory institutions, such as the FDA, are generally good even though they use tax money. Additionally, I think services such as the police, firefighters, and road construction would be disastrous if left to market forces. I don't want to ride the McDonald's (TM) road to work every day and be required to pick up a small fry as toll. However, if I can say that these specific services are deserving of tax dollars because they protect the public, how can I then turn around and say that healthcare shouldn't be paid for by taxes?

It just seems hypocritical to me.

>>127329507
Yes please tell him to do these things
>>127305621

>>127361436
Can i get more info on this anon?
Why did it end 1812?

>>127361436
Got any Art from the time period? And why only until 1812? What happened after the war of 1812?

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>>127380951
>>127304935

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>>127382636
>art
Well there is the big one we use...

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>>127383293
We're working on paleo-libertarian propaganda that harkens back tot he golden days of liberty policies. That aint gonna help us anymore than it already has.

>>127381866
>>127382636
Might have been referring to this.The war of 1812 is where federal taxes, centralised military, and public debt started in the USA. Lead to the 2nd national bank, leading to the fed.

https://reason.com/archives/2015/03/08/war-of-1812-changed-american-government

>>127381866
>>127382636
It ended when the Articles were dropped in favor of the Constitution. The Constitution was an enormous power grab. Read the 7th chapter of Reactionary Liberty.

Why dont you fucks stop being tolerant fags and just become fascists? No one is going to tread on you if together we tread on minorities and women. Think about it cucks.

>>127384978

>>127380177

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>>127384978
>WhY DoNt yOU JoIn OuR BoOtlICkeR sYstEM fRiENds

Fascists are just as poisonous as the communists and the socialists. He'll, you're no different. You'll be the last ones to go on the Day of the Helicopter, but you'll go nevertheless.

>>127385412
You moron. Libertarainsm will never work in our modern world since only white males are self reliant. Have fun in 50 years when minorities all vote for socialists and take your shit for reperations.

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>>127385755
>vote
you got the wrong guys.

>>127385755
The free market is teaching other people to be self reliant as well. Even in Africa and other third world shitholes private schools are increasing in popularity and vastly out competing government schools. In the long run, the market benefits.

You want to enslave whites to socialism and to the state, moron.

>Have fun in 50 years when minorities all vote for socialists and take your shit for reperations
...which is why we need less state and more freedom, freedom from those people.

>>127385851
Is that a legit triple h quote?

>>127386551
Fascism isnt socialism. Read up on some mussolini dumbass. Ancedotes are stats and the stats are (at least in the west) that minorities and women overwhemingly vote for socialism. If we had a dictatorship we could have a free market guy or group totally in control of the country without women and chimps fucking up the system.

>>127386951
Hans-Hermann Hoppe, lurk moar

>>127387458
Thanks, faggot. Will do.

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>>127386951

Bamp

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>>127369324

>>127390800
V. Nice mate

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>>127390923
Thanks man, I put a period where there was supposed to be a comma. It was gonna bother the shit out of me. Here's the final edit.

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>>127392025
Final edit.

>>127392314
why can't you make the letters black with a yellow outline? pain in the ass to read

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>>127392566

>>127392566
I cant decide which I like better.

>>127318183
Prepare to be removed

>>127393099
Aaaand saved...

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>>127393998
LAST FUCKING EDIT

>>127395079
Where's the quote from?