What feminism has become

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>>127268857
>This was the feminism I supported and understood.
That was your first mistake. Feminism was always exactly what it said on the box, a movement to increase women's power in society.

>>127268857
>Do you remember back then, when feminism was about women having the same rights as men - by law? When women were no allowed to go to university by law? When women were not allowed to vote? When inter-marital rape was just not recognized by law?
The old feminists, like my mom and grandmother, were fucking great.
Our economy and culture need teh best of all people, men and women.
But the dishonest Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin type (look up those two) that started fucking things up from the late '70 forward have turned feminism into a man-hating victim-idolizing joke.

Real feminists would be sickened to see what has happened.

>>127269156
Quite the wall of text, to be honest. Let me save it and give me time to read and think about it.

>>127269486
The victim culture is sickening. You are only allowed to speak if you are the most "oppressed", whatever that means. Your arguments are worthless, all that matters is how much victim points your have.

>>127268857
Feminism has always been a lie.

Women were given voting rights coincident with all men and women's rights came about because of safe effective birth control .

The "evil patriarchy" never existed. Just watch movies from the 1960's and 50's other than some outmoded gender talk women were treated well and respected.

>>127269647
It's very much worth reading. The formation of women as a separate political and economic bloc is one of, if not the most damaging event(s) in western society.

Your cultures way of life has been completely uprooted. The rules of your society have been drastically changed in ways that can't be fixed. Your women will never on their own go back to having an above replacement birthrate. And Austrians won't exist in 100 years.

>>127268857

>boring

>>127268857
>What even is the goal of feminism anymore?
They serve the banks and the globalists' interests now. They have become a powerful tool to destroy western culture and allow it to be taken over by globalized hypercapitalism.

There was always money behind it. Otherwise it wouldn't have happened. Bringing women into the workforce increased tax income for the government (but almost split wages in two), allowed to the state to raise children, and women are more reliable consumers and borrowers than men. And I'm not saying that feminism is all bad, but these were the real forces behind it. And now they do whatever they want with the movement. There are blatant ideological contradictions, but politically it all goes together and it makes sense.

>>127268857
wave 1 was the only legitimate version of Feminism now they're like NATO. An organization against an enemy that no longer exists so it continues to create its own problems to fight.

>>127270470
You should be permanently banned. Removing people like you is the only way

>>127268857
>What feminism has become
It hasn't "become" anything, it's the same shit it's always been.
>When women were no allowed to go to university by law? When women were not allowed to vote? When inter-marital rape was just not recognized by law?
And none of those things should be changed. Those are how things are supposed to be.
>This was the feminism I supported
This is the problem, we have retards like you saying "feminism used to be good, it's just become bad". All feminism is a cancer on society.

cultural marxism happened, feminism got straight up hijacked.

women deserved the rights to vote because they paid taxes. but feminism should have stopped then and there. then it seems like the 60s it started again and this time it starts becoming radicalized. i believe the movement got hijacked right around then.

>>127271485
>feminism got straight up hijacked.
No, it didn't. It was always civilization destroying socialist garbage.
>women deserved the rights to vote because they paid taxes.
Cunts shouldn't be able to vote or pay tax, they aren't people.

>>127268857

What modern feminism is becoming, is exactly what the original feminists would have rebeled against.

>>127271485
Why should men have the same rights as women when only men had to go and die? Millions of men died for nothing

>>127271977
>is exactly what the original feminists would have rebeled against.

How fucking naive are you?

>>127272106
I doubt they would have rebelled against it. I think they'd have ignored them as unreasonable little children.

>>127268857
Feminism was always bullshit. Men and women are not equal and will never be. Have different natures and, therefore, different functions, which means they should not have the same rights because they don't have the same duties.
Your culture is cucked, and I fear it is too late to do something about. The proof is that even with everything that is happening regarding to The Red Pill movement going mainstream, there is still dudes like you who are ignorant about the lies your people believe.

>Do you remember back then, when feminism was about women having the same rights as men

No

Because it never has been that. Its always been faggot western dykes crying about literally anything and everything

>>127271977
What a retard.
>>127272225
>unreasonable little children.
That's what all feminists are.

>>127272225
Why? Knowing what you do about women and people in general, is it really that far fetched to think they would have become the same? It's not just random chance that the vast majority of modern feminists support all of this crazy stuff wholeheartedly.

>>127272689
Today? Yes, absolutely.

Back then after WWII, when women helped rebuild europe? Doubtful.

>>127272917
Your society will never recover and your people will be demographically replaced. But hey, it's all worth it since they helped

>>127272019
well if i want to be right i'd say the draft should open up to women because equality bitch

but if i want to be a dick i'd give you the 99 man 1 woman vs 99 woman 1 man village problem. women have reproductive values. men are expendable, always been, always will be.

You are mixing radical third wave feminists with all feminists. After all, it's a small yet loud group of women and even as a woman myself, I think that their motives are driven by their own personal trauma - was it from their childhood or how they've been treated by the men in their lives in general. They are like the female version of those crazy MGTOW guys.

I'm not sure whether to label myself as a feminist because of that confusion about the meaning of the term nowadays, but I do believe in equal rights for both genders.

But what's really pushing me more and more towards feminism is guys like many of you on /pol/ who'd gladly force all women to be stay at home mothers who can't vote or make any decisions by themselves. If you push such agenda, it's quite natural the ones who are threatened by such ideas will slash back one way or another in order to defend their selves.

>>127273200
One can only hope that we wake up before it's too late

>>127268857

No, it was never about that. Women having fewer state-recognized rights was historically tied to women having fewer state-mandated obligations. Once they removed the obligations from the rights, the rights were granted within the expected time required to lobby for them.

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>>127268857
What's funny is that "traditionalists" are simply classic feminists. Being anti-drug is feminist as it was the feminists who pushed for alcohol prohibition and demanded the government get involved in that sort of thing. Even age of consent was pushed by women. The real redpill is that feminism has already won.

>>127268857
The better question is, in 2017, how is it that you are not a feminist?

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>>127272659
Ding ding ding!!! Correct answer!

>7 internets deposited to anon's 4chin gold account

>>127273547
A real AMERICAN traditionalist doesn't support prohibition or the AoC. FREEDOM, motherfucker.

>>127269156
>Homeschooling is better
All those studies compared wealthy whites vs all public school students, including niggers

>>127273226
>but if i want to be a dick i'd give you the 99 man 1 woman vs 99 woman 1 man village problem.

I am so tired of seeing this be used as an """argument""".

In what place are you living right now that it's common for all the men to just magically drop dead? What is this place where you are living? Do you also have massive plagues and droughts that kill all the livestock? Is the main mode of reproduction rape? What is this hypothetical place? Last time I checked the western world wasn't living there.

And if you really want to bring up reproduction, then let's bring up the fact that not a single western country has above replacement birth rates. Great job women!

Just because one man can impregnate a whole hoard of women doesn't mean we should treat men like utterly worthless piles of shit. It's not a good enough reason to send millions of men to their deaths.

And even if you ignore all of this, it still doesn't mean that women should be given the same rights as men. Which is what I'm guessing your point was.

>>127273536
You won't. Western civilization as we know it is over.

>>127273547
>opposed to drunkenness and other forms of degeneracy, wanted the vote to uphold public morals
>in many cases were motivated by upholding whites above other races (see PP's founder)

Where were you when you realized old-school suffragettes were /ourgals/?

>>127274964
>caused an immense criminal underground to form
>caused the suffering of tons of innocent people who went to jail simply because they wanted to buy some alcohol

>>127268857
>In all honesty, I don't understand feminism anymore. Like, not at all.
Don't bother. If you ignore them, they will go away. Really.

I have been married for almost 15 years. Yes kids...yes same mother. Pretty much a redpilled family. My wife is less eloquent than I am, and reminds me of a dog that hates blacks.

I have yet to run into one of these rabid feminists in the wild. Nothing even close. I have yet to run into an uppity faggot either. I have met some ignorant blacks.

However, I work a redpilled blue collar job. Women are non-existent on jobs, and if they are there it is a meme. EVERY black I know on the jobs is very open minded and ALL of my black coworkers are certainly red-pilled. Some are democrat.

I think that these MEME people that we hate so much exist only in city centers...basically their own echo chambers. Snowflakes don't make it in my lifestyle. They can't keep up.

I don't see them because they are essentially in the past. Feminists...pfffft. How 2014. You can unironically tell them that being alt right is the new fad.

>>127276428
Yep. Everything is swell! Your children's children won't be minorities and Europe will never become Islamic! Everything is just great! Thank god for those BASED democrat voting black men of yours!

>>127274533
That's maybe the most inconsequential of the points being made.