Feminism and housework

>>127195117
Always archive clickbaiters.
https://archive.is/VXubY <- time.com article

>>127195117
It takes me about 20 minutes every other day to clean the house and maybe 30 minutes total to wash all the dishes and clean counters. If you gonna mop and have clean floors in entire house add another 30 minutes. Preparing a meal etc 30 minutes if you cook.

How is this worth destroying a family over? Or is it just feminists trying to convince women that being a mother and a wife is somehow degrading?

>>127195117
Most of the women who whine about men not doing housework can't even do it properly and have never learned how to properly wash out and dry a carpet, for example. or how to ACTUALLY clean a fucking toilet.
Also notice how feminists always omit how men do the yard work, haul furniture and generally do handyman stuff if they're capable.

>>127195515
I suppose the US is in a special situation since when people get married they live in McMansions that do require a shitload of work to maintain. However it's usually women who want all that space - most men are content with living in a small RV.

>>127196013
>small RV
>like a gypsy would
>that flag

>>127195809
I gotta disagree on that one - I used to live with a girl doctor and she would clean much more thoroughly than I did - scrubbing the shit out of the van, the sink etc. And when I did it she was not satisfied.
Care to share your experiences?

>>127195515
You said it doesn't take much time, maybe 1,5-2 hrs max. So, what am I supposed to do with other 12 hrs while I'm awake? Ok, I can go to gym and play video games which I do, but not for 12 hrs.

>>127196131
gypsies live in govt housing and shantytowns made out of stolen stuff. RVs are for white trash.

>>127195137
Based archive bot

>>127196131
Drifter culture is bigger in the US than here, but Romania is much poorer. Also, nothing wrong with living in a RV and seeing the continent.

>>127196195
It's just young people in general, most of them have no clue how to do anything proeprly because they weren't raised right but still whine about the quality of somebody elses work. I mentioned women specifically because they're whinier and more demanding.

>>127196204
Do stuff with the kids, garden, pottery, some kind of production for whatever side business you have running from home, socialize with neighbor, service jamal, run errands, there's lots to do.

>>127195809
The whole thing is stupid since males used to work and do yard work, chop wood and do almost as much around the house as women

>>127195117
Femanon here. The idea that housework is lowly and beneath an educated woman is pushed on all of us pretty heavily starting in grade school. We are told to go to college, get a high paying career, and hire someone lesser to do the shit jobs of housework and childcare while we work at "real" jobs. Entertainment and other distractions are pushed on us as a way to find emotional fulfillment.
I broke through the conditioning and find myself living a happy and fulfilled life as a stay at home mother. I am struggling to become a decent homemaker, as I know nothing about decorating or design, and keeping some things clean is really hard when you have kids....but the hardest part is trying to get over the idea that keeping a house clean is drudgery. I love cooking a wonderful meal for my family and making delicious desserts is a joy...but the psychological conditioning - that cleaning is boring drudgery - is the hardest part to break.

ps. the only time I want my husband to help with the inside chores, is when I'm too sick to do them myself.

>>127196736
Thank you for the detailed response.

In what way are you guys taught that housework is lowly? Cooking, cleaning etc are just part of life... I've never heard anything like that and men are certainly taught the opposite - be reliable and know how to do stuff around the house.

>>127196736
Tits or gtfo

>>127196736
It's not just subtle... they canceled all home economics classes a few decades ago. Now you have mothers with an art degree who can't sew their childrens clothes, bake bread, cook a meal that isn't out of a box, garden, knit, or even breast feed. It's absurd.

>>127196512
The fact that I don't have kids because I'm poor and my bf still works for minimum wage doesn't help. I don't work because of some feminist ideals, I work simply because I need money. My family needs money and I help them, but for some reason many traditionalists will say I am a sinful woman for going to work.

>>127197075
no. I'm married and not a whore

>>127195117

>tl;dr get a fucking maid or stfu

If you're a housewife, it's part of your job to keep the fucking house clean. That could mean cleaning it yourself, or that could mean supervising people who do it.

If you're a double income household you should just get a professional to do it for you. There really is a method to it, and people haven't been taught this for generations. No wonder no one knows how to clean properly, or puts it off until it has to be an all weekend clean-a-thon.

However much a maid charges is going to be less than your frustration at having a dirty house, the arguments it creates, and the insecurity of not always being prepared for visitors. But for god's sake get referrals and/or check references.

>>127195515
You probably don't have a family? Cleaning up after yourself takes no time that's true

>>127197279
Nah, most people don't mind women working too much, it's the idea of fetishizing the career to the point of endlessly delaying finding a suitable partner that pisses them off. The fact that doubling the workforce depresses the wages doesn't help either though.

>>127197279
I actually think women should work, my only question is why are women so pissed off that they have to clean and cook? Life doesn't stop just because you have a job, if you lived on your own you would still need to do all that.

If the woman stays home to keep house, that house should always be clean, clothes washed, cupboard stocked. Nutritious meals cooked on time. Take a little time on her appearance. Volunteer a bit in the community, if possible.

>>127197279
the issue is you shouldnt have to work. the average man used to be able to pay for a house car and family by himself

>>127195117
>So why is doing housework such a big deal and a reason for complaint for women?

It's literally one of the few things that women do, so they raise a big stink about it. There's nothing else to it than that.

These days, most people of either gender are required to do this stuff because no one else will do it for them.

I remember having a conversation with my younger sister about this years ago. Her basic position was that "women shouldn't learn how to cook just because they're women", until I pointed out to her that if she never learns how to cook, how the fuck is she supposed to eat? Who is going to cook for her, if not herself? And if you teach yourself to cook, what exactly is so hard about cooking for someone else, particularly someone you love and will spend your life with? She had this whole concept in her mind that not learning how to care for *herself* was some sort of radical concept that made her a brave individual, until she was faced with reality...

>>127195809

This is a good post. Especially the part about men doing *male* housework. My girlfriend is a great cook and is very diligent about keeping the house tidy, but she can't tell a screwdriver from a hammer. If I didn't exist, she'd be utterly helpless when it comes to simple things like repairing a drawer or installing a towel hook.

One of the big reasons that so many feminists get this stuff mixed up in a bad way is that they refuse to accept that men and women are good at different things. What is easy for a woman is not easy for a man, and vice versa. And that's a good thing, because then we can divide our labor more efficiently and produce more over the long haul as cooperative specialists rather than weak, selfish, and lonely generalists.

>>127198145
I believe this is just a symptom of the west. Romania is getting more progressive nowadays but I talked to a few girls from Moldova and their stance was this: Even if I had a job I would not stand the sight of my man doing the laundry or cooking. If he does that then what good am I??
Such a huge difference in attitudes...

>>127197005
In what way? it's all about perception. The only women we are taught to look up to are those who work in careers. The mothers of the 50s are literally an example of what women are fighting against becoming....hell, it's meme'd how pathetic those poor, stupid, useless women were....Every media example of successful women have a maid and drop their kids at daycare or have a nanny. The women who do the childcare and cleaning jobs are lowly...unimportant...and my own mother was very against teaching me housework and cooking because I was "better than that"...simply because I'm smart...I was pushed to do ANYTHING other than become a housewife/homemaker.
And the mommy wars....good lord, the mommy wars....working women take out their frustrations with their lives on stay at home mothers...because we're the lowly people that do the work of servants for no pay. I've been called a slave, a parasite, a leech, and many other derogatory names for depending on my husband's income while I keep the house and raise the kids. It's society now and those of us who choose to stay home are targets for the miserable feminists.

>>127198707
>would not stand the sight of my man doing the laundry or cooking

Believe it or not there are similar attitudes here. Rare, but they exist.

>man spends 12 hours at work dealing with shit I couldn't
>least I can do is do things to make both of our lives easier

Maybe it comes down to consideration for another person in general, not just "housework" in particular.

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>>127198798
>I've been called a slave, a parasite, a leech, and many other derogatory names for depending on my husband's income while I keep the house and raise the kids
Holy shit!

>>127196204
>not being able to play vidya for 12 hours a day
Lol casual

>>127197837
But I don't know anyone who is pissed off to do housework. Lot of women I know got o work and do housework while men only go to work. Sadly, our lives revolve too much around jobs, houseworks and other obligations that we rarely have time for ourselves and considering financial situation some of us are in...
>>127198101
Times have cahnged and my life is passing. I can adapt or die, but living outside of reality and fanatsizing about some ideal family life we had 100 years ago won't help me, it can only make me homeless. Dreams can't feed you, only money can, sadly.

>>127199652
Sounds like feminism hasn't reached Croatia then.. Is the economic situation really that harsh there? Never been, but the only thing I know are the beautiful beaches.

>>127199652
>while men only go to work
fuck off with this feminist bullshit.

>>127199125
I can actually but I don't want my parents to consider me a big failure and loser

>>127198798

>berated for being stay at home mom

You're talking to the wrong income bracket, who are just jealous of you. The higher you go the more of a status symbol it is to stay home.

>20s and 30s raise kids
>40s and 50s volunteer and direct the household staff
>60s and 70s downsize and travel with your husband, or by yourself if he's died of a heart attack
>80s and beyond live as a widow on the beach

>>127200156
Very harsh, only unemployment, corruption and nepotism.
>>127200183
I'm just observing other people's lives around me, I never said it was something bad.

>>127198798
White shariah WHEN
Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to bring these psychopaths into the economic sphere

>>127200438
No, I mean the lie that men only go to work.
Did your mother call a handyman every time something broke in house or did she ask your father to try to fix it first?
Or does that not count?

>>127198945
>Maybe it comes down to consideration for another person in general

This is the main stumbling block for most people today, not just feminists - the idea that subordinating your own desires to realize the desires of another person is a good thing that can actually make you happy AND cause your own desires to be realized through reciprocation with a loving and committed partner.

Everybody has this shitty attitude now of "What's in it for me?", not realizing that what they're getting back is something that many, if not most people, will never have - a cooperative and productive partnership with another person which nets them much greater returns than being alone. Everybody's got this idiotic dream in their heads of being this free and independent hero who always gets what they want, even though hardly anyone ever achieves those things all by themselves. Humans are supposed to cooperate, it's what separates us from the animals. The fact that we can commit to and maintain complex and demanding relationships for decades is why we dominate the earth instead of raccoons or turnips.

>>127200554
My father fixed it, I was talking only about easy tasks made for women like cooking, cleaning etc.

>>127195117
All my married friends (males I mean) do all the work. They drive and do the errands. They get the kids to bed. They cook dinner. They do 100% of the work. I love my friends but I really wish they'd just take their women over the knee. But what do I know, I don't have any kids (that I am aware of), but I have my pride. I don't live in fear my children will be taken away if they offend their women and she decides to sink him. I don't have to live with the soul crushing knowledge that my wife cheated on me, not once but many times. I fell very sorry for these men, they are good people. I am proud to call them my friends, but I cannot understand how this happened to them.

It's getting worse too you know. I date girls 10-15 years younger than me. Well. That number only increases as I get older. All the young girls are ruined. It's real messy business dealing and tolerating them.

>>127200713
Well then don't play the feminists game by pretending that men only sit around after they come home from work. Their entire shtick is that they establish a narrative and then work off that because everybody assumes the shit they spew is actually truth.

>>127201007
My father works 14 hrs a day, and my mother is a housewife. Would it be normal that he does anything when he come tired from work instead of my mother whose only job is precisely that- taking care of house?

>>127201219
No, but the narrative is that both women and men work hard for 8+ hours a day, then men come home, sit on sofa while women do housework and cook, which is factually wrong in most cases.

The average person just assumes they're not just making shit up and then play along with their story for the sake of conforning and thus leftists can proceed with their agenda. The first and most effective step of neutralizing their bs is not letting them create a setting in which they can cry wolf.

>>127195117
My mother (born in the 50s) is a horder and she obviously hates housework, cleaning seems to be a symbol of hate because people expected it of her so she did the reverse in true passive-aggressive feminist style. I also believe she wants to be thanked excessively for doing anything at all and that is something that might come from her thankless career which she put above all else. All you can do is do it better then them and scorn them for wanting to be acknowledged for doing 0.01% of the work and being a pig at all other times. They deserve no words of encouragement and minimal attention for doing what they're supposed to do.

>>127201827
Strong words, anon...

>>127200766
Scary shit... don't you want kids though? That's literally the only reason I consider marrying someday.