Universal basic income.

>>127192925
Nobody reply to this shitty thread

Look how well 50 years of welfare has worked for the inner cities

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>>127192996

>>127192925

I'm sure it would. However it turns people into slaves to the state with no options but to adhere to anything the governing party decrees lest they turn off the money faucet.

Anyone with any self respect and desire for individual independence should be terrified of the prospect.

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>>127192925

Because even when automation has made it easier to manufactuer an item in less time and for less money, people still choose to work just as long, and if not, longer.

That is historically accurate.

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>>127192925

>>127192925
it would. I'm voting for it

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>>127193237

Would it not also allow us the opportunity to use the money to create or support our own business and create multiple streams of revenue.

Or even use the money to buy land and become self sustaining?

>>127192925
It would work, ignore the dumb fucks using non-Whites as an example.

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>>127192925
it would work as long as there was a gullible white population willing to pay taxes while people like me immediately quit their jobs and applied for free money. It'd be sweet. So your question should be "why wouldn't YOU work".

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>>127193354

>An entire generation feeling absolutely worthless and thought only to seek hedonistic pleasure, then killing themselves due to no responsibility
It's gonna work great.

>>127193596
wew lad. Wages would be higher under socialism

>>127193062
Okay, so what about ubi for non-felons that have been citizens for at least 10 years?

No felonies removes half the black population from being eligible.

Requiring tons of documentation stops Californians>>127193062
from being eligible.

A 10 year citizenship requirement stops boat people, short term immigrants.

Remove all other forms of welfare while implementing.

I guarantee we would be saving money like crazy and letting white kids be neets for a few years before they have to clean their room.

>>127192925
I'd vote for that.
The thing is...where would the money come from? I like the idea of everybody being given money and doing whatever they want with them - either investing it wisely or spending it all on inane crap.

>>127192925
Welfare doesnt work you sagebait nigger.

>>127193692

you'll be eating from a garbage can when the money runs out

>>127192925
Because the money must come from somewhere. Constantly printing money leads to hyperinflation and inevitably depression.

If you want socialism to work, you need to bring back a system similar to the Reichmarks. I unit's worth of currency = 1 unit's worth in labor.

>>127193692
Hope you enjoy your 50 hour work week nigel, i'll be collecting my paycheck after a grueling 0 hour work week. Stay strong, stiff upper lip, all that. We're all in this together.

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>>127193741

I like the way you think.

>>127193778

The same place it comes from now. Numbers in a computer system.

>>127192925
because people are too lazy and selfish to indefinitely and openly pay for others to not work.

it might scrape along for a while, but gradually and eventually the most productive people will just move somewhere they can keep more fruits of their own labors.

>>127193692

>decreasing productivity, competition, and efficiency will lead to higher wages

nope

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>>127193952

>>127193952
So as a non-worker I would vote to prevent emigration, drop iron curtain, keep you in and paying taxes to support my "universal income".

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>>127194228

Now you're talking.

Frothy.

>>127194069
why would productivity and efficiency increase when the workers own the means of production?
If you kept a market under socialism, competitiveness would be the same.
>>127193860
>"To each according to his contribution"
>>127193838
only if the bankers fuck you over

>>127193825
It works, you see niggers living off it.

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Convert currency to a digital format and it will be infinite.

It would go on forever.

>>127192925
>Why wouldn't it work?
Because when everyone is guaranteed an extra $24,000 a year, landlords will raise the rent, food producers will cite increased costs of production and inspection, and every business will raise prices citing some bullshit. The universal income will disappear because everyone will nickel and dime it into oblivion, as if it never existed in the first place.

I'd be in a much more stable financial situation if my fucking rent wasn't half my monthly income.

>>127192925
Think you'll find the overwhelming majority of people will stop working if they receive enough government money to live comfortably. When automation is in full force then UBI will be completely necessary, and it will have to be quite high due to the huge disparity between the unemployed and the business owners. But we're at least 30 years from that point

>>127194228
this shit is already happening in less hyperbolic ways.

US "exit tax" talk and increased nosiness into foreign banking accounts have ramped WAAAAY up in the last 10-15 years.

globalism is a game where powerful parties want to make it easier or harder for capital to flow in or out of places depending on whether they want to be the first to take advantage of a situation, prevent competitors from investing there, keep others' capital tied up in one place, etc.

>>127194380
yeah, i'll be "contributing" from my couch. in the meantime i'll get a diagnosis for "acute anxiety" or "depression with suicidal ideation" or something random from the bogus doctor on my medicaide benefit to get an even bigger check and make it legit. The section 8 free rent would be great too, me and my bai could just pop out 5 kids to get another grand a month also. Socialism is great.

>>127194629
None of that will chamge you're an idiot.

>>127194801
social pressure to work will fuck you up

>>127193692

hahahahah

no

>>127193456
Lol.

If we get universal income,Im quiting my job and so will everyone else.

Why wouldnt it work? Shit really? People fucking stupid.

>>127192925
>Why wouldn't it work?
FED will run out of money to print

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>>127193692
I know right, just look at how much money this Venezuelan has! He could probably even buy a loaf of bread!

>>127194771
our "iron curtain" is monetary. You think joe-blow can get a job in another country, apply for passport, work visa, moving expenses, flight, support himself when he gets there, set up an entirely new life and live there long enough to retain visa while traveling back by airplane as necessary to satisfy the visa requirements, apply for citizenship and then pay the "exit tax"? No. and 75% of americans probably couldn't.

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>>127194629

That would be why the market should be legislated to prohibit artificial and arbitrary inflation that isn't based on demand.

You know those pigs wont regulate themselves.

>>127194698

We're closer then you think.

>>127194946
explain why not. It is literally one of the main points of socialism

>>127194980
>spics

Don't start comparing White countries to spics now.

The push for UBI normalizes the end in which all of the world's power ends up irrevocably concentrated in the hands of a tiny number of people. That's what's wrong with it. Do you really want to be fucking cattle?

>>127194907
Easily fixed with my newly prescribed medical mj.

>>127194980
Venezuelan jobs are owned by the state

>>127194629
UBI would be such a small part of the economy that it almost wouldn't matter. Maybe a $0.10 increase on things. Your mistake is assuming, like many people do, that the new money would represent a large amount of income.

Chuck Testa. For example, the Walton's dropping their load of cash would cause more inflation than all UBI put together for that year.

socialism is not increased welfare you fucking morons.

>>127195120
Yeah, he's an idiot, it has nothing to do with universal income.

>>127195103
You are cattle.

Yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

The only question remaining is how cattle are treated.

Even a miniscule amount of 10g a year in a country of 320 million people is fucking $3,200,000,000,000 dollars a year tell me how that fucking works mmm?

>>127192925
Let's assume that it works when initially introduced. Just like welfare, people will expect more and more money and left wing governments will oblige. It'll spiral out of control, and there will be no way of scaling it back. And that's assuming initial implementation works, which I doubt it will.

>>127195128
Taxes rates should not be lower for the rich uppef class.

>>127195330
>You are cattle.
No, defeatist faggots like you are cattle and I'm stuck moving with the Herd so I don't get trampled.
When they start culling the cattle and the herd thins that is when I will make a break for it.

>>127193778

This fucking nation is done, let the Turks have it.

>>127192925

Socialism/Communism never works. Further more its immoral. And universal income is the idea of damaging the system to sustain the system and feed the parts of it that do not function.

We are looking at another industrial revolution and like the last one we will find new way to better ourselves. New jobs will comes in time.

With the way everyone is going to get replaced we should probably take steps to limit the damage from disruption though. Maybe stop taking shit loads of immigrants. Maybe do not let these huge monopolies form and reduce the businesses control of the gov a little.

>>127195420
We want a collapse anyway to instill National Socialism.

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>>127195372

Please see >>127193741

You are thinking that it will be for every man, woman, and child.

>>127193456
>Would it not also allow us the opportunity to use the money to create or support our own business and create multiple streams of revenue.
>Or even use the money to buy land and become self sustaining?

That's a good theory for an ideal world but sadly we don't live in a society like that. It would inevitibly make people lazier and cause a drought in innovation.

I'd like to see it tried out somewhere to test it though.

UBIfags are just another level of shekel worshiping goyim whose worship of the shekels empowers the Jewry.

>>127193692
>they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work

>>127192925
>killing all the poor and replacing them with technology
Why would it work?

You see the problem now? Something potentially "working" is not a reason to do it.

>>127193354
is this that spanish coastal town in morroco?

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>>127192925
>Why wouldn't it work?

Look you communists. Here's how it works. Everybody gets money from the government. Please keep in mind just because it comes from the government it's not "free money" someone had to work to generate the value of that money. So what happens when you have a universal income and/or communism, there will be a bunch of lazy fucks sitting around collecting the wage. At the same time, the diligent hard working people will be saying "what the fuck? Why should I work when those lazy fucks get the same as me?" In no time, there is no value being generate and the money isn't worth the paper it's printed on. Then you have no food in the grocery stores and a bloody revolution ensues. Happens every time. Why won't you commies learn? Look at Venezuela. This is exactly what's happening.

>>127193344
Wrong the average work day has nothing but gone down historically faggot

>>127193456

The money has to come from somewhere. The new taxes would stifle innovation and new businesses. You would be making it difficult for all these people to make shit happen with their new found money/freedom.

>>127195372
By being worth many times that.

Our GDP is 18 trillion, not 3.5.

Now, remove all ineligible groups such as felons.

It suddenly doesn't look so scary. Social Security is just as bad and would be scrapped after UBI

>>127195772
Useless people haven't been forced to change for ages now. That's what the welfare state is for.

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>>127195772
>nothing gets made
>people start making shit again cuz they need stuff

>useless scum still helping circulate money in the economy

>>127195881
>3,200,000,000,000 = 3.5 trillion
>burger education

>>127195772
Bullshit, those who truly care about innovation are not motivated by money.

>>127193692

Socialism is the same thing every time. It works right off the bat and gets shittier as the money runs out until it completely destroys the country it infected.

Also the major downside is that you need to imprison/kill people who disagree because one guy not going along fucks the system.

Socialism is immoral.

Jewish Communism will never work because they are the agents Satan.

It's only a trick to keep their evil, failed money scheme going until they can cull the goyim, thin the heard.

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>>127195772

Except you would be getting UBI including having a job.

Which for people that want a higher standard of living and more financial security, it would be outstanding.

So why not just give it to people who already have jobs? That would encourage people to get on the work rolls.

Also: >>127193741

>>127192925
Why would it (or anyone) work?

>>127195881
Remove niggers and spics, keep White felons.

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>>127195870
there is no new taxes the whole point of a negative income tax is to replace all current welfare systems with a cash payment that you can spend however you want

i support negative income tax for the poor only

ubi is retarded and gives handouts to the rich

basically requires
>white
>conservative
>high iq
>small population

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>>127192925
In order for everyone to receive livable income, the amount of effort required to keep that person alive must be virtually non-existent in terms of manpower. Today we still require manpower for very essential things like food production, sanitation, and most importantly electricity. Put simply, it costs too much to keep people alive because we are still in a society where resources are scarce.

As time goes on, the income required to keep a person alive will decrease proportionally with the cost of those basic services. When we achieve something huge like cheap fission energy or cheap desalinization of seawater the cost of living will decrease worldwide.

The first stage in the process to universal basic income will be one where a single member of the family works full time and can sustain the whole family, which ironically we were at half a century ago. If anything current cost of technological progress is outpacing the reduction in living expenses.

The second step will be people can work for maybe one or two decades and use the money they've saved to live their whole lives.

The third step will be people working one or two years and living off that their whole lives.

The fourth step will be one person working one or two years to sustain their whole family for decades, mixed in with a few dedicated full-time workers who quickly become elite billionaires.

And the final step will be a truly post-scarcity society where you only work if you want to, but we are still hundreds of years away from that. It would require basically free energy, utilization of resources from space, unlimited water, and population control measures to be even remotely feasible.

So if this generation is willing to work for those things, maybe their great great grandchildren can all pursue their dreams with no need for work. If you try to jump the gun and demand free living expenses now you are holding back the progress of all mankind. You selfish bastard.

>>127196090
maybe read the definition before you comment

>why wouldn't it work?

>2000 / month * 12 months * 365million people = 8.76 trillion dollars / year

Compared to the 2.45 trillion spent per year now on entitlements.

>>127193741
It's not Universal if you exclude people.

insanely evil thing to advocate... poor kid is an uneducated piece of shit, I guess.

>>127196127
So how do you keep people with skills and now freshly out of opportunities from leaving to somewhere with a greater potential lifestyle for their skills?

>>127196206

Nope, you run it long enough and the population would increase and become more liberal.

>>127195719
It's not real. That is a scene from World War Z.

You can't pay for it without a significant deficit. For the UK it would be something like £9,600*65,000,000 = 624,000,000,000 -- that's several times higher than the welfare budget, and like 85% of the government's whole budget.

Bracketless negative income tax would work as a replacement for the welfare state. Even Milton Friedman advocated that.

>>127195602
>You are thinking that it will be for every man, woman, and child
Yeah no shit because you called it UNIVERSAL basic income.

>>127193354
They look like cockroaches.

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>>127192925
Because the West needs fewer entitlements and more duties.

Clean your room.

Because that's now how economics work.

on the day of the rope the UBIfags will be the first people I hang. You worshipped the shekel like a good little goyim. You empowered the Jew.

>>127196273
Insanely evil not to advocate, this is the future, deal with it.

>>127192925
>Why wouldn't it work?
Because there are plenty of people like me who wouldn't work either then.

>>127196548
I want to napalm carpet bomb them.

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>>127196488
ubi doesnt even make sense giving money to people who are already rich

what a complete waste

negative income tax is the truth

>>127196629
>wouldnt work

it doesnt matter how many people stop working because eventually people will need goods and services and will do them if theres no place to buy watermelons then someone wants to eat watermelon so they start growing watermelon

>>127195881
The US right now spends about $2 trillion a year on welfare
If you throw all that out and replace it with something that costs $3.2 trillion, where the fuck is the extra $1.2 trillion coming from?

>>127196734
>what a complete waste
The logic is that you'd just tax it right back off them, and wouldn't need the bureaucracy involved in means testing welfare benefits.

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>>127192925
not a bad idea desu

I'd like the freedom to explore more video games

>>127196822
>tax
It's as if people don't understand how the Federal ReJew works.

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>>127196261

It is to those that qualify.

>>127196287

You don't.

>>127196488

Unless it isn't aloud to be used as physical currency and can only be spent digitally. Then it is figuratively infinite numbers in a computer. The money technically doesn't exist but it can still be spent.

>>127196506

For those that qualify.

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Stupid people always give their money to smart people, no matter if they get their money from work or from the govetnment. Why do you think every human population organizes into a pyramid of dummies at the bottom and smart people on top? No matter the system of government

>>127196954
Stop avatarfagging you newfag attention whore pile of garbage.

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>>127196822
you would only need to find out what theyre paying in taxes in order to not send them a check in the mail

if someone makes a million dollars the government already has that information that they payed 200k in taxes so they wont get a negative income tax

its that simple

its already set up

youre just being incredibly wasteful to send money to everyone and youre diluting the money

which means the rich get richer

if you just get it to the poor you get a trickle down effect where the poor eventually will build up some wealth

but if you give it to everyone indiscriminately then the rich will stay rich

>>127192925
Dude, free money, lol.

>>127196600
More like need a way to live, you expect me to work in these societal conditions? A tender, sweet, and nice White man like myself can't handle these wicked mongrel societal conditions, if it wasn't for parents and NEETbux, I wouldn't be learning 3 new languages and programming.

>>127196225
2000 a month is pretty fucking excessive. 800 should cut it.

>>127192925

Because of the

>universal

part.

>>127192925
Because fuck you and fuck your bills you dirty fucking commie. Fuck off nigger.

>>127192925
you need to get rid of all the bureaucracy that goes along with welfare

that would never happen in a billion years

all the people who administer welfare would just get new job titles

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>>127197029

No.

From 1968 to 1982, the US and Canadian governments conducted a total of five negative income tax experiments. They were the first major social science experiments in the world. The first experiment was the New Jersey Income Maintenance Experiment, proposed by MIT Economics graduate student Heather Ross in 1967 in a proposal to the U.S. Office of Economic Opportunity.[10] The four experiments were in:[11]

The New Jersey Income Maintenance Experiment: Trenton, Passaic, Paterson, and Jersey City, New Jersey with Scranton, Pennsylvania added to increase the number of white families, 1968–1972 (1357 families)[12]
The Rural Income Maintenance Experiment: Rural areas in Iowa and North Carolina, 1969–1973 (809 families)
Gary, Indiana, 1971–1974 (1800 families)
Seattle (SIME) and Denver (DIME), 1971–1982 (4800 families)
Manitoba, Canada ("Mincome"), 1974-1979

In general they found that workers would decrease labor supply (employment) by two to four weeks per year because of the guarantee of income equal to the poverty threshold.[13]

>Be society
>Implement UBI
>maintain current ethical standards with regards to exchange of money
>the few remaining people with a source of income (who also happen to be the people selling everything) raise prices to recoup the costs
>everybody fucking starves
>ubifags btfo

>>127196954
>Unless it isn't aloud to be used as physical currency and can only be spent digitally.
You sound like a venus project retard.

>>127197038
This is why I advocate negative income tax. It's not retarded and it doesn't break the bank.

>>127197269
Does a negative income tax mean we tax the banks until they die? If so, this might be a good idea.

>>127192925
The amount of people crying and saying it wont work doesn't change the fact in the future we will have machines to do all the work and that leaves 8 billion people and growing rapidly without work.

>>127197227
>In general they found that workers would decrease labor supply (employment) by two to four weeks per year
The horror.

>>127192925

Everything has been said on this. This is just a NEET pipe dream. Prices will go up. People won't start businesses because they have a UBI. You'll at best simplify the welfare system by giving it to everyone, but then single mothers with 7 kids will say they deserve more than a single dude.

People can already start businesses. If you have the skills and ability to start a business (intelligence, perseverance, grit) then you can do it already.

Most don't want to risk it, not because they'd be homeless if it failed, but because they have decided to live a high standard of living, so why not?

Many of us here could tomorrow decide to take steps to drastically cut our expenses, but do we? No. We buy the faster internet packages, we eat out, we buy stupid shit at the store, we pay for TV or buy one, we buy video games, the latest smartphone and all of that bullshit.

Everyone has surveys on this site asking how much you make, and it always is explained with "depends where you live". How about you faggots count up your budget. A real fucking budget. Keep adding to it. Keep a notepad and write down when you spend cash, or get txt notifications for your credit cards.

See how much you spend when you don't pay attention.

>where does money come from?

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400 a month.

Must not be a felon.

Must be between 18 years and 35 years of age.

For born US citizens only.

Tell me it wouldn't work AND give you enough time to do something with your life.

UBI exists in the West, if you're a fresh-off-the-boat non-white migrant that is completely useless to the labor force. If you're a white male born citizen though, go homeless and die before you get a penny.

>>127196172

Where does that money come from? And adding money to things is usually a bad idea. Easy money creates shitty businesses and institutions that can be shitty and still get paid.

I had this conversation with my brother about college. He is stuck wiht a shitty art degree and debt and is a fucking bernie supporter.

He was talking about how college should be free. I pointed out how shitty colleges were becoming. How over inflated prices were. He instantly agreed with that. I asked how pumping more money into the system was going to do anything but make it worse.

Fucking with the system breaks it.

>>127196224
>a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Owned by the community is government. Government is an organization that controls things through violence. Prison or death. Yes I know the definition. You are ignoring the fact that socialism in theory needs guns pointed at people to force them to comply. It is inherently immoral. It is the enemy of freedom.

>>127197225
reported, lurk more.

>>127196261
>niggers
>people

>>127196954
>you don't
would you just increase the costs of passports, visas, and airplane tickets extraordinarily high?

>>127197389
Yes. And by the current ethical model our society operates on the people with all the factories don't owe you shit. That's the problem with UBI. How the fuck can you retards not fucking get that?
See
>>127197240
Eventually they'll realize they don't need you. And you will be fucking culled. And you will deserve it for being a dumb faggot cattle retard standing at the feeding trough.

Is that the life you want? Standing at a feeding trough? Do you think you'll be going spending your basic income going off into the woods to smoke pot and sing kumbaya? Because you are sadly fucking mistaken.
The plebs won't be able to afford to leave the city. And the city will be nothing but a fence and a feeding trough.

>>127197430
>People won't start businesses
Why?

>Many of us here could tomorrow decide to take steps to drastically cut our expenses, but do we? No. We buy the faster internet packages, we eat out, we buy stupid shit at the store, we pay for TV or buy one, we buy video games, the latest smartphone and all of that bullshit.
You've just given an argument against the "any form of basic income would destroy the economy because no one would strive" point.

>>127196954
>It is to those that qualify.
Don't strain yourself moving that goalpost

conservashit logic: muh welfare make slave
>spends trillions in debt for pointless wars and wall street bailouts

>>127197513
That would be fine.

>>127193456
Less incentive to work => harder to run businesses and find labor.

UBI => more taxes => less incentive to work => destruction of economy

self sustaining? have you even read The Prince? Why, when the government has a switch to take away a large portion of your income, would the government let someone get to a position where they do not need the government on the government dime? UBI = control. its neo-feudalism

>>127192925
Everyone would become disengaged from society and violence would skyrocket in low IQ areas.

What could possibly go wrong?

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>>127197430
>People won't start businesses because they have a UBI.

wrong

more poor people will start businesses with the income they get wheras before they couldnt do it and more people that have money in their pockets means more customers for small business

>Prices will go up.

people will still have to compete to get the welfare bucks

thats the whole point of giving them the money in cash so they can shop around for competition

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>>127197503

See. >>127196954

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>>127196954
>It is to those that qualify.

Universal to those who qualify. I cant find a maximum keks picture on this computer.

>>127197747
>retarded strawman argument
>because it's not possible to also be against those things
>not killing self for being so retarded and obtuse.

>>127192925
Because we don't have a post scarcity technology level.

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>>127197802
Everybody qualifies.
Some people just qualify more than others.

>>127196954
>The money technically doesn't exist but it can still be spent.

This has to be trolling.

>>127195832

Contemplate suicide.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/18/basic_income_after_automation_thats_not_how_capitalism_works/

I have an idea which negates a need for universal basic income, niggers ain't gonna like it though.

Slavery

Think about it those without jobs, will have work free shelter and food.

>>127197523
>Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production
if you don't like the government, maybe you'd like communism.

>>127196212
At least someone who thought it through.
There's three problems I see:
1. There will always be a tiny amount of work required too keep things as they are. Even if its just looking after an automated system that monitors all the other automated systems. You can never completely rule out systems failing.
2. At some point nobody will know anymore how things work. Even on a conceptional level. That's the moment when there is the biggest possibility of shit hitting the fan.
3. This supposed Utopian society will be completely stagnant. No advances will be made anymore.

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>>127197523
it comes from the welfare state the progressive income tax

we already have one bro its just making it a smarter free market style of welfare where the poor get cash

college costs a shit ton because they guarantee you a loan no matter what the college costs

if they gave you a certain amount of dollars you would have to shop around for a school you can afford with your income and it would drop the prices

>>127192925
It's been in effect in Mao's china, Russian Stalin era. Everyone starves. Sounds great. So equal.

>>127198120

What? Communism has the same problem at its core. Government needs to be small because it is inherently bad. And worse it inherently tries to grow.

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>>127192925
>Why wouldn't it work?
Because its an idea being pushed by a megajew whos public net worth is 62 billion dollars. These people are not interested in helping you. They want to control you. You are literally a cuckold if you listen to them.

>>127198104
Why does everybody keep talking about slavery? Don't you see. All of the ruthlessly amoral business types will suddenly grow a heart and make sure everybody has enough money leftover for more than just the basic necessities. They will gladly share the world (which they will then literally own the entirety of) with everybody. It will rain puppies and bong hits and everybody will be healthy.

>>127197781
But with automation there's literally no need for most people to work.

>>127198383
But our society is built around work. With automation there's literally no need for most people.

>>127192925
>Why wouldn't it work?
it's coming from the wrong place

the people own that shit anyway, they should receive a dividend for use of the public commons like Alaska does

>>127197715

People won't start businesses because of the reasons I said. Not everyone starts a business. Most people don't. Even people that win the lotto don't. It takes a certain type of person.

I never said it would destroy the economy. Read again. Perfect example of why it wouldn't work. People can't even read today. Mentally lazy.

Most people don't strive. They may yearn for a better life, but they don't do anything about it. Now you may, but people self-segregate. You end up being like your friends or picking friends like you.

The argument made by Zuck is that people having money would mean they would take risks without fear of losing. First you need people that actually will take risks, which is not typical. The risk is balanced by the payout and chance to succeed. With no true downfall more risk will occur or more misallocation of resources will occur.

Most people when given more money will spend it. Not invest it. Maybe you are different, congrats, but go talk to people outside of your bubble. Make friends will working class people or people doing the same shit job for years. They do not take risks. Given 3K they would spend it.

>>127198229

That wont help college because kids are retarded at that age. They need to let people default after that have been out of school 10 years. #1 10 years plus the 15 a default stays on your record would keep people who can get a job from defaulting. Its smarter for them to pay it off. #2 any degree that is unlikely to produce a job would be a bad move to give a loan for. So useless degrees would die.

Also we already give close to cash out in the form of food stamps and other shit. Plus this would cost way more then you think.

>>127192925
Because for the people that aren't actually earning an income outside of the Universal Basic Income it essentially means that corporations are paying taxes, that money is being given to those UBI recipients, which is then being spent, in part, on products and services from those corporations that paid the taxes in the first place to fund the UBI. It's circular.

It disincentivizes corporations from developing or improving any products that cater to the UBI recipients, and instead focus on developing and improving products that cater to those earning wealth independent of the UBI, further creating a gap in equality and quality of life.

Initially it would probably work, it would feel like the golden era, but after a decade or two the system would start to collapse on itself. I don't think a UBI system can work long-term under capitalism.

>>127198451
Our society is built around money, not work.

You can easily live without working as long as you have money.

>>127198236
>>127198120

Fuck communism has been the best example of why this shit wont work. The government inevitably has to point guns at people who dont do what it says. Why do you think communism has killed so many people not just through starvation but actual slaughter.

A government that needs to control the means of production and distribution cannot allow someone to do what they want. And there will always be people who will do what they want. And so you need to kill them.

>>127195802
The amount of money we Canadians pay in taxes...better for that to go to Justin.
Why not UBI for people below the poverty line? just enough to make them not below.

>>127194907
>>127195111

people have to keep themselves busy or they feel like shit

give them a reasonable dividend for corporate use of the commons and they will keep themselves busy and be productive, you can probably eradicate the immigrant issue this way as well, the economic system around this type of economy would be a lot tighter, with less hope for gains the immigrants would dirt farm at home instead or sell drugs and get deported

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>>127198458
its still beneficial to give them money dude even if they waste it

you want money circulating downwards even if they only retain some of it

because money naturally flows to the rich in this economy and makes everyones life worse

>>127198515
giving out student loans from the government is fucking retarded i dont support free college at all

i support negative income tax

it wouldnt cost anything you just have to shift all the current welfare programs towards that


food stamps only subsidizes walmart ultimately the poor need cash

>>127193456
No, because the people capable of creating good businesses are the ones who don't need help.

Universal basic income would only benefit the dregs of society and damage the productive.

>>127198782
JUMP DOWN TURN AROUND PICK A BALE OF COTTON

>>127198666

Money is the promise of future work. Its literally debt which is the promise of future labor. If you have a shit load of money you are holding a shit load of future work from others you will give that money to.

Money is work god damnit. You do work to get it you get work when you give it away.

because i dont like the idea of making a deal with the devil (governmemt) and being enslaved forever

also if everyone is on welfare who pays tax

>>127192925
It's a creative rebranding of communism.

Congrats

>>127198737
>>127198236
how retarded are you? Communism is the absense of government

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>>127198150
I agree with you on the first two of your points actually. I think it's one of the massive dangers we are going to face in the future. We would have to have some sort of educated elite that are tasked with maintaining the automation and that will inevitably cause social strife and place an immense amount of power into the hands of just a few people.

As far as technology stagnating, I think that on some level that's probably inevitable. Small advances will start to require exponentially more effort in an asymptotic fashion. At that point it might not be worth it if we really are getting everything we need to live.

>>127198737
>The government inevitably has to point guns at people who dont do what it says
The govt is an extension of the will of the people.

If you live in a society where the majority of people demand that you pay taxes and you refuse to do so then you will quickly find yourself in trouble.

>>127192925
Inflation. Prices will rise to take everyone's extra cash into account, leaving them no better off.

See "college tuition".

>>127198847
>No, because the people capable of creating good businesses are the ones who don't need help.

no, the people who are creating businesses now are the last people who should be 95% of them, spoiled rich weirdos who don't know shit about anything

fucking hell look at these assholes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o46HH-TfNY

>>127198666
>Our society is built around money, not work.
our society is built around energy and weapons

yours is built around money and class

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If everyone who argues for UBI was killed off the world would be a better place.

>>127198868
Money is just something that we have agreed upon as a society can be used to purchase goods or services.

>>127193741
Because as soon as you start excluding people, shitlibs throw a shitfit and shitlib judges start calling things unconstitutional.

This is just a method of getting a foot into the door to funding illegals.

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>>127198944
I'm always amazed at the invincible ignorance of marxists and communists

I can see the headline now
"Breaking: United States First Issuance of UBI, in other news the United States is now facing a critical shortage of malt liquor and cheap beer"

Do free housing for the homeless and food for the hungry. If people knew what to do with money they would have enough to not need UBI.

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>>127199121
>Do free housing for the homeless

that allows them to charge whatever they want

free housing more like 8,000 a month housing because the government guarantees it

they need money. if they waste it thats theyre fault and atleast they have another month to try next time

>>127196548
>>127197087
1500 or 1400 is sufficient, 800 doesn't even pay rent.

>>127195099
>White countries
Anon I have some bad news...
We're 62%, next generation will be 42%.
We will be the racial makeup of venezuela within 3 decades.

>>127198782
>shift all the current welfare programs towards that

You cant. Try to take money from kids lunches or free health care for the children of single mothers or anything else and youll get kicked out of office.

Also many taxes are supposed to be sort of direct which weakens over time. People pay into lets say the social security fund in the expectation that there will be people paying for them when they retire. (fuck politicians who raid the fund and fuck that its a pyramid scheme)

People pay into unemployment in the expectation that it will be there to help them in between jobs if that happens.

You cant just shift everything. Go ahead and tell all the liberals all the feminist money needs to go somewhere else. All the shelters and programs and shit. Good luck.

And even then I dont think its as much money as you think. And good luck tying it to things like felonies because youll be called racist first and more correctly retarded because you are guaranteeing that people who get out of jail go back to crime because they are fucked and have no other options.

I am going to try and find good figures on what we spend on welfare.

>>127192925
I would completely support basic income if literally all other federal and state welfare programs were eliminated because we would save money on beurocracy and shit.

But we all know that's not going to happen, instead basic income will go to everybody and a handful of people who just couldn't make it will live better but the vast majority of the idiotic poor losers in society wouldn't change at all and would demand more and more free shit until the system collapses

This is how it has always happened, forever

Universal basic income :

1) Lazy idiots = easily controlled morons
2) No creativity = easily controlled morons
3) Dependent of the system : emc

This is as stupid as when the EU wanted a new language for the whole Europe to speak...fucking utopia.

>>127199302
>800 doesn't even pay rent
What shithole do you live in?

Besides don't you want free money for owning a house?

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>>127199330
were not talking about overnight dude

were talking about implementing it in like one state first

or one fucking county

where you get the poor off the street with a income

how bow dah

>>127192925
Removes incentive to work instead of be lazy (don't pretend everyone wants to "get rich" or "pursue a passion")

>>127199063
>can be used to purchase goods or services

Which are manufactured or served through work. He's right, money represents work.

If you're highly educated and making lots of money, you go to work (say as a doctor) and earn $200/hour so at the end of the day you've made $2000. Your toilet breaks so you call a plumber, you trade $200 (1 hour of your work) at his rate of $50/hour for him to spend 4 hours fixing your toilet.

>>127193692
>here is a bajillion dollars
>unfortunately there is no food

>>127199437
>implementing in one state
Said state would become the free gibs capital of the US.

Notice what happened to CO when it was the first to dude weed lmao?

>>127198666
You have it backwards baka desu senpai.
Tragically so. It's unbelievable how fucking brainwashed people are about this. Money is not wealth. Money is a transit of wealth. Right now a bunch of hook nosed shekel worshipers are busy accumulating and hoarding all of that money for themselves, periodically spending some inconsequential portion of it on property and luxuries.

It's like a game of hungry-hungry hippos. Except every now and then you have to take one of your balls and throw it back into the middle. You're not a player. You're not even a ball. You're some random spec of bacteria that happens to wander onto one of the balls and get a ride somewhere else.

But regardless of this game of hungry-hungry hippos everything they want already exists. Why bother with the hippos? When the number of remaining players is so small that you can divvy up the world between the players without ever fully exploiting your own share. Eventually the idolization of shekels will end. It will be time to put the game away. Along with the inconsequential microorganisms that infest it.

That pair of shoes you need. The labour that goes into making it. The money exchanged for the shoes. It's superfluous. The great Jew's silver menorah isn't going anywhere without it. In fact in the end it would be beneficial just to cut all the crap and have his robots make silver polish instead.

>>127199437
Isn't Canada and Finland testing it?

>>127199420
You could own a house if you pay home owners tax. I din't like paying taxes to a regime I din't support and even hate.

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>>127199545
then you make a law that you cant be from a different state to qualify for the NIT benefits

HOW. BOW. DAH.

>>127199063

Which means its work. The promise of future work. People accept money only because they can reasonably expect people to take it from them in the future.

Money is a thing because you can get other peoples work and the products of their work for it.

>>127199576
Oh wow. It's almost as if you're starting to understand allodial title instead of buying in to more Jewish satanic communism.

>>127199492
Did you know that there are plenty of people who have never worked a day in their life but have more money than you ever will?

Money != work

It's just a piece of paper you can exchange for goods or services because that's what we've agreed on as a society.

>>127199619
So you're going to build a wall around this state or what?

Lazy people needs to be enslaved and forced into hard labor, not rewarded.

>>127199665
Once automation fully takes over UBI will be a necessity.

>>127199260
Honestly, they should have reworked the projects and created more of them. Keep the homeless and nogs in one area, gentrify only parts of large downtown cities. Or just redistribute them to underpopulated states that have manual labour jobs ready for them.
Though i remember as a kid in the States my father, who worked in construction and development, would offer homless noga and such jobs, simple shit, and offer $10 an hour in the early 2000's. Not even one ever took him up on it.

>>127197791

Poor people make poor decisions.

They aren't likely to start a business. They will spend their money because they deserve a better life because they work hard.

The rest of your shit post about competing for welfare bucks makes no sense. Money will be spent regardless of who has it. Transferring it to a different group of people just changes where the money is spent.

All of you fags arguing for UBI... have you ever started a business? Do you know anyone that has? You are looking at this backwards because some commie professor brainwashed you.

Remember when kids would run around and make lemonade stands? Now lawns or offer to do stupid shit for money? Did rich kids that got allowances do that? Or kids where parents just bought them the shit they wanted?

Starting a business takes a personality. That is the most critical part. No one is sitting around saying "man if only I had like an extra 10K a year, I'd start a business"

>>127199492
>free-market no-welfare advocates suddenly adopting the labour theory of value
wot

>>127199777
see
>>127199547
The perceived need for UBI is a symptom of our societies flaws.

>>127198944

You are either full trolling or underage bait.

Communism is when the government owns everything all the businesses. And tells people how its all going to work.

Absence of government is something else.

>>127199773
You mean lazy poor people right?

Rich people are allowed to be lazy since they have money.

>>127199565
There's like one small low pop. town with high unemployment rate in Canada testing it, somewhere in Northern Ontario or Saskatchewan I think, and they're paying, I believe it was $17,000 CAD per eligible adult or something, but there were already complaints that the recipients basically wanted double, like $34k/year instead.

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>>127199727
no dude i think oregon has assisted suicide or some shit and if you were from a different state in the past 5 years or something you cant go there and use it

same type of thing

i would know this

>>127192925
You run out of other peoples money.

>>127195881
>the GDP is worth 18 trillion

You stupid fucking nigger GDP isn't like a big pile of cash or stash of gold someplace it's literally everything, every building, every loan every piece of property every wage and every business your stupid phone and your internet connection

You can't just pull 10% of it out and spend it on cash.

Jesus fuck! Socialism won't work becuase everyone who wants it doesn't understand how the world actually works. Your the same kind of asshole that's thinks rich people "hoard" all the money don't you?

>>127199680
I'm a National Socialist, and in National Socialism I'd gladly for my hardest for the state, especially for the pure blooded SS masters. They'd say, "Nobody works harder for the state than this anon" Hail Victory 14/88.

>>127199873
>Poor people make poor decisions.

>They aren't likely to start a business

Probably because they don't have the capital to start a business or they can't afford to quit their job(s) in order to do so.

>>127199942
Yeah because everybody floods into a state to die instead of for free gibs.

Ask Sweden how so many people from Africa want to go all the way to Sweden to get free stuff and shit up the place. They even get free boats because Africans still can't figure out water after all this time.

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>>127199873
actually that is how it works if you have more money you can start a business

lemonade stands are basically illegal to run thats why you dont see them

they shut down everything you do

not because everyone is too stupid to do that and were all just too dumb to start a business

>>127199916
>implying having your money work for you instead of wasting months/years of your life is laziness

>UBI
You know this has to go hand in hand with price controls right, how else would that income cover any expense if businesses just raise prices/wages accordingly and you're back to square one with UBI covering literally nothing

>>127192925

I'd need like 4,000 a month to maintain my living standards.

>>127192925
Btw, on the topic of Universal Basic Income - doesn't it seem counterproductive for countries to want to bring in immigrants to bolster their economy, if the near future seems to be leaning more and more towards UBI? I mean the idea of increasing your population is to improve your economy; more people means more labor means more business means more taxes, etc. but if we're quickly coming to a point where every citizen of that country is going to be getting a flat-rate UBI, which presumably is going to get funded by corporate taxation, then wouldn't having more people in the country actually be worse? Or at least not as beneficial as originally planned, since there would be a greater chance of many of those people not being particularly productive and instead just leeching off of the UBI?

>>127199910
>You are either full trolling or underage bait.
There are two actually separate situations that are referred to as communism. The first was the idea of a stateless classless la-la-land as popularized by lefty activists like Kropotkin; and the other meaning, which everybody knows, is totalitarianism.

>>127200089

Go find a poor person. Give them 10K to start a business. Post back with results.

>>127196573
Literally this

>>127192925

who's going to fund it? taxes? who's going to pay the taxes to fund it if everyone isn't working?

money doesn't come from thin air, you trade your value for it.

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>>127200141
ok then you fucking enforce the laws???

swedens cucking themselves on purpose and allowing it lmao

ruining their own system

if ppl are cuckolds what are you gonna do

>>127192925
because the rich gets to stay rich

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>>127192925

I would support it but only if automation was damaging enough to employment and the people who used it were forced to surrender their right to vote.

>>127192925
universal basic income
what does this really mean?
isnt this essentially rationing?
why are for profit, publicly traded companies promoting rationing of income in the first place?

>>127192925
Prices will just be raised. Happened here in Germany.

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>>127200217
>hard work leads to wealth

You're so naive.

>>127200341
>enforce the laws
We have yet to do this on the government or the banks, which is why your entire argument is retarded on the face of it.

>>127194907

Except it won't work since he'll ne surrounded by people like him. Social pressure my ass.

>>127200155

>more money mean you start a business

Have you ever gotten a raise? (Or are you worthless?)

How is your new business doing that you started with that raise money?

>>127198986

Government is an inherently inferior extension of the will of the people. It will always do a worse job then the people themselves would.

It exists only because its needed to have people work together and all the shit we go through for elections, having multiple branches of government, term limits, elections, checks and balances, are because it is an untrustable extension of the will of the people constantly threatening to become the tyranny of the majority. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

You are talking about something immoral. You want to use death and violence to force people into an economic system they do not and will not want. Yes we all know the moment the government wants to force us to obey it rather then follow our own will we will be in trouble. And either flee or rebel.

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>>127200314
Do you honestly believe that your current wealth is an indicator or your ability to run a business?

>>127199999
very nice get.
have a (You)

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>>127192925
Basic necessities like
>food
>healthcare
>shelter
>basic clothing
>basic communication (phone)
>basic security
should be provided for by the state. If you want an iphone you'd have to enter the capitalist market and work for it, same goes for any other luxuary. The market can survive and flourish just trading and producing luxuary items.

>>127200514
>an economic system they do not and will not want.

But they do want it, otherwise they would move to Venezuela or Somalia or some shit.

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>>127200492
a negative income tax isnt just a raise dude

it gives you a whole new layer of safety and you can take those extra weekends off and take a toll off ur back

just working one job is still dependant on that job to live so no duh u cant start a business

>>127192925
All these minimum wage fags should be supporting this lol

>>127194907

I think you're underestimating the blissful ignorance of a lot of people.

Go to any council estate in the UK who's residents are on the dole and see how much social pressure they feel to get a job.

>>127192925
Simple cost really, not getting into any social effects it has but if you were to pay everyone £150 a week, only £7800 per year for everyone, you can live of this but not well. If all other forms of welfare (pension, disability, job seekers etc.0) was slashed to 0, it would still cost £290 billion more (well over double the cost). Corbyns budget as proposed in the manifesto is only £42 billion. Although a total cut of welfare couldn't happen as some people need more than £150 a week to live due to medical conditions.

>>127199420
the netherlands, 1000 a month...

>>127200615
>AH GATS MAH OBAMAPHONE
>OBAMA GON PAY FO MAH HOUSE
>OBAMA GON GET ME A FREE CAR!

>>127200615
>necessities should be provided for by the state

If necessities aren't provided for everything will stagnate. Literally millions upon millions of people will be content if they have everything provided for

Why do you think the Soviet Union collapsed?

Why do you think Korea is starving?

Why do you think Venezuela is collapsing now?

> Parasite rent seeking investor class has manipulated and effectively controlled the world for near millenia.
> Thinking it'll be different this time.

>>127200704
>lol you should be supporting this

Why would anyone support something that will inevitably lead to the nations collapse?

>>127192925
>welfare for everyone!!!
>"free" money
Nothing is free Paco

>>127200749
First place I rented was 250/mo divided with friends, and in a decent city to boot. I moved out and had a whole house to myself for 650/mo for a while, still in a city.

Could have rented for much less than that but I wanted to live in the city.

>>127200842
>what poor fags ACTUALLY believe

You are poor because you are an idiot and as long as you think like this you will remain poor

>>127199699
>plenty

This is conjecture and prejudice. There are people who have more money then they have earned for one reason or another. But even trust fund babies have money that their parents earned.

The US is very economically mobile. The top 1% changes from generation to generation. The top 20% has people going in and out of it all the time.

The free market and capitalism is the closest we have gotten to a completely fair system in history. There is going to be irregularities but the vast majority is fair. And yes parents giving their earned money to children is fair. socialism is worse in theory and proven worse in the real world multiple times already.

Trying to build up a boogie man of rich people getting free money does not counteract the massive amount of fair exchange that goes on everyday under capitalism and would be destroyed by this socialism shit.

FUCK UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME

PEOPLE WONT DIE IF THEY CANT CONNECT ON FACEBOOK

PEOPLE WONT DIE OF THEY CANT WATCH A MOVIE ONLINE
HOW ABOUT WE JUST BAN SOCIAL NETWORKS INSTEAD, THAT WAY PEOPLE WILL GO OUTSIDE AGAIN AND RELEARN THEY CAN ACTUALLY GROW THEIR OWN CROPS TO SURVIVE

>>127193692
>Wages would be higher
yea and you'll be able to buy fuck all with that money

>>127199699
>>127200980

Also it should be noted that if you stay out of jail and work for your life. If you get married and take care of your children not only will you do well and move into the middle class (maybe lower middle) your children will do better then you. This is backed up by the hard data.

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>>127200492
and not everyone will be interested in start businesses but it will definitely assist in the process when all these poor people are getting checks in the mail

because a million people having that money dispersed is better than 1 person having it even if 90% are not interested in a business

>>127200615

Or you could just get a job and provide those things for yourself.

>>127200980
He's talking about the definition of currency though.

>>127199910
>>127199095
holy shit are you two actually ACTUALLY retarded? Why are you posting on a political board?

>>127195772
Nice, thank you for Including the diversity. If that scientist had been white or Asian, and a male for that matter, I could have made the argument that your pictorial is racist and sexist. But now I can't. Good job!

>>127192925
Because billionaires will not be footing the bill. The middle class will.

>>127197791
Yeah because poor people have the necessary skills and motivation to start businesses.

They're poor for a reason Karl.

>>127200959

> Implying i'm poor.

If UBI comes, i'd literally just raise rent in all of my 6 properties (3 more when my parents croak) and continue living like a king relative to the lower / middle classes while shitposting on 4chan and doing some webdev work on the side if i can be assed for more pocket change to blow on drugs and prozzies.

>>127201130
Yes, we just have to try True Communism, and then everything will work, including people.

>>127201178
Nobody has been talking about the definition of Rothschild Satanic Talmudic Usury.

>>127200720
>>127200478
>>127195111
>>127198750
look at north korea and tell me there is no social pressure to work

also
>comparing welfare states in the US and UK to marxist-leninist states
wew

>>127201321
How does that work? Middle class pays themselves to not work? I'm for it!

>>127201104
Smartest thing I've read here so far.

>>127201178

Ive never seen currency defined as anything other than a medium of exchange. The thing being exchanged for that money is work or the products of that work.

You do shit for people or sell people shit to get money. You then get shit done for you or the products of other people doing shit when you give the money away.

Its work.

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>>127200980
>The US is very economically mobile.

That's true but even in the US most people who are born poor will die poor and most people who are born rich will die rich.

>The free market and capitalism is the closest we have gotten to a completely fair system in history

It's still quite early in humanity's history. In time people will look back on capitalism and view it the same way that we view feudalism and slavery.

>Trying to build up a boogie man of rich people getting free money does not counteract the massive amount of fair exchange that goes on everyday under capitalism and would be destroyed by this socialism shit.

I'm not a socialist. I just don't buy into the whole "work hard and get rich" mythos. I have quite a bit of money thanks to my family. If I had been born into a poor family I would be fucked.

>>127200777
>why do you think communist shit holes collapsed
Among many reasons, a lack of incentive which wouldn't be the case if a capitalist market continues to exist for the purpose of trading luxuary items. People will always want useless crap and an economy can thrive off of manufacturing and selling them. All UI (the way I described it) would mean is you don't have to work for what you "need" just what you "want". Unless you think people would stop wanting things, economy would continue on.
In fact since the market wouldn't be involved with basic necessities anymore you could remove regulations like minimum wage and other hindering factors to help promote a true free market even more.

>>127201418
No, the middle class walks into the gas chamber after learning about Communism while the wealthy people laugh at them.

>>127197087
>>127200897

dunno where you guys live or what the average is but I'm like an hour outside of Vancouver in a smallish city in a crappy 1bdrm apartment and my rent is like $750/month and on top of that I have internet, cellphone, car insurance, fuel, food, electricity, gym membership, medical premiums, etc. I'd say the bare minimum I need if I live frugally is about $1300/month, maybe cut it down a bit if I ate worse foods, cheaper cell phone plan, quit driving my car as much (or gave it up completely and started taking public transport) but even then I'd need like $1100 and that's living like I'm on welfare at that point.

Lots of places where cheap rent just isn't an option. And like I said I'm in a smallish town in a shitty apartment. If I moved anywhere near a major city (Vancouver in my case) my rent could easily reach $1200-2000/month for a 1bdrm shitty apartment

>>127192925
It would work.

>>127201455
LTV marxists OUT.

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>>127201332
>>127201344
communism is redistribution of resources

this is redistribution of CASH with freedom allowed

and its not all the cash its only like 50% maybe on the highest bracket

>>127201122
That depends a lot on where you work.

Do you think a blue collar worker is going to make it into the middle class?

>>127201486
What's the alternative?

>>127201621
Except
>>127200230
Without rampant price controls UBI is just a retarded token gesture.

>>127201621
There's no such thing as cash, you asshole. You fundamentally do not understand our financial system.

Please read, "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffen for starters.

>>127192925
Because heroine's expensive

>>127201417
>look at north korea and tell me there is no social pressure to work

North Korea isn't the west, comparing dictatorship to democracy

wtf are you stupid

>>127201624
>Do you think a blue collar worker is going to make it into the middle class?
Those days are gone.

>>127200562
To an extent, yes.

Plenty of completely broke people have started successful businesses.

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>>127201271

Which version do you imagine exists without a government.

>>127192925
2 Thessalonians 3:8-10

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>>127201708
you dont need price controls you guys dont get it

its a totally free market

lets say you get 1000$ a month and they want to charge 1000$ for rent

someone else is going to charge 900$ for rent and compete for your autism bucks

because they still make money off it whether they get your whole paycheck or some of it

>>127201624
>>127201803
Blue collar worker here. Comfortably middle class.
KYS ignorant fuckwads.

>>127192925

It would in a fully automated society of white people

>>127201621
Don't you think the media manipulates people to spend most of it though, like they already do, installing nihilism/carelessness in the minds of all kids?
Guess you could call it natural selection, but it's basically the fact that the Jewish are exterminating every other race.

>>127201897
>t. working class

>>127192925

Truth is money doesn't solve anything.
Those who're poor are poor for a reason.

>>127201701
putting people like zuckerburg in the guillotine. Not for being wealthy, but for using it to destroy the middle class by supporting such shit ideas. He knows god damned well it's a shit idea.

>>127201701
Hang the bankes for treason (yes, treason, not sedition) and class "A" war crimes per the Nuremburg Codes.

Then, under the War Powers Act, we nationalize the Federal Reserve. Simultaneously, each of the States erects a state bank (except for North Dakota, which already has one). Implement what's commonly called a "Wall St. Sales Tax" on trading derivatives, most of which are illegal insurance products anyway. Anti-trust laws to break up whatever too-big-to-jail banks can't be taken out by other means. Expel all Jews and restore proper immigration laws. Re-enact Glass-Stegall and be the first in the world to restore a fractional gold backing so the fucking chinks or whatever don't get a leg up.

>>127201342
>having six properties
>supporting basic income

Jesus Christ you are a bad larper

>>127201934
>exterminating every other race.

The problem is they seem to be exterminating themselves also. Even the Rothschild are getting blacked.

I suspect its the nature of their culture rather then actual will to make this shit happen.

>>127201881
That's literally retarded.
many cities and neighborhoods are <1% vacancy rate. And you're also assuming that businesses don't illegally collude with each other to price fix and get away with it ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

>>127192925
>free money for everyone
> Mega billionaire (((fellow))) wants it
> nothing to be skeptical of here

>>127192925
Because most people, like me, would simply not work. You think people would work if they didn't have to? No. 90% of people would drop out immediately and the economy would collapse.

>>127202008

This. If you took all the money in the country and distributed it eventually it would all be back where it was in like 20 years. The majority of it much less.

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>>127201845
Sure and plenty of rich people have failed miserably multiple times in business.

The difference is that a rich person has more collateral and can afford to take a few hits. A poor person cannot.

>>127201897
Even if that's true, do you think the average blue collar worker is middle class? Idiot.

>>127201852
what bullshit dictionary is this?
why don't you read Marx's actual definition instead?
>a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state.

>>127202267
>let's all agree to have an absence of social classes, money, and the state
How deluded are you?

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>>127202233
You stated that it doesn't happen at all. Not that it doesn't typically happen.
You were wrong. You got BTFO
We do not forgive we do not forget.

>>127202207
>hey guys i own a for profit business
>how about everyone gets free money from the govermment

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>>127202152
i agree with you but its because we live in this fucked up world where the rich are unhindered

the tides would turn if you got some of that money back into the hands of the many

so they cant pull these schemes anymore

>>127192925
>oh you want to vote for trump? oh look at that, we accidentally turned off your meager basic income. have fun not making rent/buying grocery/ect. we are sorry for the inconveince and thank you for your understanding. moving forward we have all hands on deck in order to get the system up and running as soon as possible.

it's a form of soft slavery, that over time would develop into an unhealthy dependence which would give the state the explicit power of life and death over its recipients. it would give the state the ability to control every facet of your life if it so chose youd have no way to countermine it or break free after a generation or so of dependence. Just like how welfare functions for the democrats in black communities.

>>127193692
>socialism
>wages
U wot m8