Stop being an atheist

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autism-Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html

At least be a fucking Mormon

Former atheist here, life used to be so empty, like I had a hole inside me that couldn't be filled no matter what i did for 25 years, last year changed all that thanks to /pol/

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I'm not though

>>127036276
maybe not your tiny brain but mine works just fine under scientific atheism

>racial realism
>bio evolutionary applicable sciences (sports nutrition)

along with the desire to remove all muds, jews, and lefties so that we can go inna space.

So I am pretty comfy. Knowing that I will die, like many others, only means that I should try even harder to kill the jew.

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>>127036710
similar story. /cg/ general threads that concentrated on theist arguments instead of infighting were hugely beneficial to me, especially when they discussed how to pray, great passages within the Bible to start with, and just seeing the contrast between believers and atheists there and in my daily life.

>>127036276
>You do not have to be part of any religion. Just believing in a higher power can be good enough. You can make up your own personal God. There is no rule or law about this.
>You can make up your own personal God. There is no rule or law about this.
You accept, that belief is useful psychological mechanism, and supernatural is not objective.
You are still atheist, just not retarded fedora. Which is good, as it gives you most benefits of faith, without requiring to actually accept supernatural.

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If you love science reddit-style, think of this:

Monogamy, God and our systems of law are all /technology/ that separates us from animals. We invented these things to maximize our human productivity and stability.
Remember also: God can easily exist. Some kind of God in some form is very much in the realm of possibility, in fact, some might say that it is common sense to believe that [something exists] -> [something made it].
God might be an alien. God might be some consciousness from another dimension. God might exist in any number of ways. Scientists now say we are all part of a simulation.
Yet they think God is "ridiculous". Don't fall for this crap again.
God helps you appreciate everything you do every day, even if nobody sees it. It's a brain hack. Just treat it like that.
Look, religious people arent stupid. It's a faith based system. But look at this from a climate change perspective: Even if God didnt exist and you find out after you died... you lived a great life. You lost nothing and you gained everything while you were alive.

>>127036710

What filled the hole? Feminine dick?

>>127037513

Faith is faith for a reason. Nobody knows for sure. My father was one of the most religious people I could ever meet and he definitely admitted that he chose religion due to its benefits for his life.
You think other people just blindly go with God? They all go with God because of its great benefits for your life. Nobody follows a religion because they hate it so much and it makes their life miserable.

Judging beliefs like atheism or theism based on human behavioral outcomes, atheism is *generally* negative. Theism can depend entirely on how its manifested.

Judging each based on its truth value, I would have to say that there some strong arguments for both. I like Pacal's wager because it is ultimately a wager with our lives based on limited information, which is the most pragmatic argument possible.

saying you're born sinful and need to guess the right sub-sub-sub set of a religion that's a rip-off of a rip-off of a rip-off of another religion out of the thousands of other religions on earth or you're going to be tortured for eternity but you cant judge anyone else is the anti-human part, christcuck, dont forget to wash some refugees feet

>>127038033

atheism is only negative when you lose all the unhealthy coping mechanisms of religion, if you didn't have that dogshit put in your brain in the first place it'd be a non issue

>>127038454
>>127038375
until you encounter your first tragedy in life. Atheists always break, enjoy your life of despair and remember to convert before you suicide.

ITT: OP talks against logic and people are actually responding

its bait and not even good bait.

>>127038749
*tips*

Religion is the human hive mind that's been weaponized. Like how animals have their large packs and flocks to protect each other. Except humans have been weaponized into cults and set against each other. As humans we need this religious hive mind wisdom of the crowd mentality to function as nature intended in order to survive. It's very much in control of our lives and but we can still direct the course if realized.

>>127036276
Buddhism (not the hippy bastardization of it) is the best antidote to nihilism without having to believe in things you have no evidence for.

>>127038749
You know what is actually a human thing that we cannot do without? People like op, without the constant, stupid and attention seeking harassment. Some topics would not get enough interest or fury to be put into the limelight.

Its a weird, communal way of us to communicate. Instead of asking a question, you pose a potential answer, and then tell the people reading it that they are faggots.

>>127039059
moral relativism is the problem... and if buddhism has no solution for that problem, and in fact ignores that problem... it contradicts everything it stands for. It's a shit philosophy and certainly not a religion.

>>127036276
I'm not an atheist though. I converted to non-denominational Christianity during my freshmen year at college (I was studying other religions before hand)

>>127036276
I read the Bible but still cant bring myself to convert. Now I'm reading extracanonical and gnostic books. Ultimately I've just lived my life as a fuck you to everyone that's ever tried to keep me down. My very existence and success spites them. That's been good enough for a long time. You have to have faith in something, even if it's a petty life's purpose like that. Otherwise you'll destroy yourself.

>>127036276
I am atheist I think my actions matter a lot. Religion does not give me any sense of meaning. Far from nihilistic. Your argument is weak.

>>127036276
>most people think the Earth is the center of the universe
>the bible says so, God says so
>God btfo by science
repeat ad infinitum

>>127039324
There's little moral relativism in Buddhism because of the Eightfold Path and the very requirement of respecting all life. If you can't do those things you won't be free.

>>127039810
Where does God say that the Earth is the center of the universe? Book, chapter, and verse please.

>>127039569
Atheists are atheists because of arrogance. You have to break them, they'll never repent and convert until they are crushed because their arrogance has no bounds. Realizing the bubble of money and comfort and peace they've lived in their entire lives because of the societies generations of Christians struggled and sacrificed to build can suddenly burst is enough to make most reconsider their superbia. Ultimately a prison term would be for their own good not to mention the good of society. If worse comes to worse even a death penalty would limit the time on this earth they have to damage themselves and others. That's the way the law was for centuries and looking around it seems like it was a bad idea to change it.

>>127039324
Buddhist morality is based on the cause and effect of your actions. And there is a clear cut line into what is moral and what isn't. There is no relativism in Buddhist morality, and not being aware of the moral consequences of your actions is either willful ignorance or plain stupidity.

>>127040037
I hate slave Minds. You are the arrogant one telling me how to live. You are pathetic.

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>>127036276

Amen amen I say unto you. Every day the words of the Bible ring true

Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

ROMANS 1

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

>>127040037

Allah Ackbar! Kill all the infidels brother! Oh, wait, you say you're Christian? Sorry. For a sec there you sounded like one of my Jihad homies.

>>127039821
That's bullshit. There is no holy book in your philosophy, it's basically atheism with a "be a nice guy" commandment.
>>127039899
Science says it, you do believe in science right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cosmological_horizons#Hubble_horizon

>>127040215

You aren't pathetic, Hans. Someone who has been deceived by a false prophet has my sympathy. But only an arrogant fool would deceive himself into thinking that there is no God. The proof of God is evident in the creation

>>127040434

Isn't it interesting how atheism leads to weakness, decadence, decay, and that the strongly religious group always triumphs over the "wise" atheists? If you lot are so smart, why can't you even reproduce?

>>127040189
>there is a clear cut line into what is moral and what isn't
no there isn't. you have no holy book and no works inspired by God. Any thing you present will just be the musings of an atheist.
>not being aware of the moral consequences of your actions is either willful ignorance or plain stupidity
You as an atheist have no morality. Morality is derived from God, which you deny. You will claim that morals are self-evident, while this same argument you will guffaw at when people tell you God is self-evident.

>>127036276
What makes you think nihilists are are depressed,you mong?If they are truly nihilistic they would not care enough to be depressed,it is simply impossible.On the other people who are depressed and claim to be nihilistic are simply liers,and non-nihilistic looser and failures who use it as an excuse for their failures and even lie to them selves that they had a "choice".There was no choice they are just oxygen thiefs.This should be obvious to anybody who is not retarde-
>((logic))
Oh,wow.Why don't you fuck your sister,jump off a clip and sell everything you own?The only thing stopping you is ((logic)).

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>>127036276
You are a faggot who pretends to believe in a God because you're weak and have slave mentality and also because it's the cool new alt right thing to do

>>127040655
No. It's about you not acting like a depraved animal. It's a strict morality and discipline that gives freedom. The whole "be nice" image has its roots in what hippies did to the teaching. The real reason we don't value aggression is that it is not conductive to being composed and alert.

I don't see atheism coming up with a way of life like that.

>>127041258

Its not a "slave" mentality. God is our Father. Of course you criticize that relationship because atheists like you have no respect for your parents at all. You're a perpetual edgy teenager

>>127041379
You're a massive hypocrite who cherrypicks bits of Christianity and lives by them while ignoring most of it. You literally can't be a true christian and visit /pol/. Love thy neighbor, remember? There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus and all that shit. Oh wait you don't like that part so you leave it out, cognitive dissonance master race.

>>127041323

Friend, there is no salvation in Buddhism. The idea behind it is nice, but its essentially a "work's salvation." All have sinned and come short of the glory of God; you will never live a sinless life and work your way into heaven. You need to ask forgiveness. Salvation is a free gift; you can ask salvation and have all of your spiritual debt paid off becuase Jesus paid for it with his perfect sacrifice on the cross. From then on you can focus on performing good works so you can earn your rewards in heaven, but you will never pay off your own debts by working your way into "nirvana"

>>127040951
> no there isn't.
Our holy book presents one. You may debate it on its merit.
> You as an atheist have no morality.
Athiesm =/= Buddhism.
> Morality is derived from God, which you deny.
Buddhists are not concerned with denying other religions
> You will claim that morals are self-evident
No it requires training, intelligence and discipline to see it.

>>127041258
>>127040953

behold the atheists. Pure anger and hate. No self control, no constraints.

Swearing - no
Drugs - no
Whoring - no

Contrary to popular belief, you cannot reason with an atheist because there is no frame of reference for an atheist. He wants money? He just kills for it. You can always just come up with some kind of justification for it, logically.
Lying is suddenly okay sometimes. Cheating on your partner is suddenly okay - I mean hey, he/she did X so that makes it logical.

Atheists use whatever logic that suits them. Remember: Atheists dont have perfect knowledge. They are not perfect.
So they will naturally tend towards the easy solutions. Lying is easier than strict adherence to the truth at all times.
Making money with corruption is easier than being honest 100% of the time.
This is why atheism is not just detrimental to atheists, it's bad for everyone in society.
Just observe them, don't take my word for it. How often does an atheist logically conclude that having 5 children is a good idea?
Exactly, it never happens. They are all about easy solutions, easy life for their own benefit.
Religious people are always happier than atheists. Never forget that.

>>127036276
You little Austrian goofball.

First of all, nihilism a sickness of the mind, but it's also a iterative "transitional" process that can lead to men unlocking further potential within themselves, and liberating themselves from outside influence and noise. People may revisit it multiple times with varying intensity, but will most likely discover new things about themselves in the process.

Now, people can work perfectly well without a god. The point you're "trying" to get across, even if do not realize it, is that without purpose and sense of "something greater than us", we'll be confused, disoriented, aimless, panicky, and depressed. It's kinda comical that you then compare atheism to communism, when communism exactly is a substitute for religion: Both demand you to devote your individual to it, put it before yourself, and promises you a reward for doing so, the communist utopia and heaven. Perfect places where everything is love and harmony.

Religion, like socialism, humanism, communism, nationalism, and so forth, is a lullaby best sung to people who are not strong enough to be their own person. The soothing melodies of all these isms may keep some people from succumbing to crushing nihilism, but only because they are too afraid to challenge it and discover who they are. The tragic result, of course, is weak men and women who do terrible things in the name of something other than themselves, usually because they are controlled by their ism's authority.

>>127041323
You are an atheist, you admit that buddhism isn't a religion, and then distance yourself from atheism whilst embracing it.

You're delusional.
>>127041841
>our holy book
you have no holy book
>Athiesm =/= Buddhism
Not all atheists are buddhist, but all buddhists are atheists.
>other religions
buddhism is not a religion. It has no diety. it has no holy book. it has no morality defined by God.

What you do have is a philosophy, and a shitty one at that.

>>127042022
>wahhh this guy said mean word mommy
You are on a holocaust denying board, idiot, did you forget already? Why are you here? It's not very christian of you to want to genocide jews now, is it? I cringed at the morality parts btw, you are so stupid you think that people who don't believe in God will find it perfectly normal to kill somebody or steal etc, like we're chimps or something, truly a brainlet

>>127042022
well put. These people have a sliding scale morality that allows them to always feel good about themselves at all times even when they do shitty things, and especially when they continuously spew hatred towards those who are of Christ.

which is what atheists demand when they call for religion to be labelled a mental illness because it offends their arrogance. That's ultimately all an atheist ever has, is ego. It's very rewarding to see an atheist personally humbled by circumstance, then quickly abandon atheism. Which is why atheism should have legal consequences.

>>127036276
Nice post. We have a false sense of control over our lives and so we feel like we don't need God. Then, inevitably, we are reminded through tradgey how little we actually are, and we pray in desperation to a God we rejected in our hubris.

Christianity basically figured out how to live a fulfilled life and create stable human society. Ever since the west rejected God, all of philosophy has just been a painful road relearn what God already taught us.

>>127042127
Atheism and Communism are both tenets of cultural marxism.

>>127041772
In this life, one can through effort achieve a state called "Arahant". This is a man or woman who has completely destroyed the inner animal mind. Not a single shred of greed, hatred, delusion, desire, anger, laziness, fear or doubt left in his mind. His actions never deprave other, only help them relieve them of their own perversions.
How friend, can such a man still be sinful?

>>127038375
When all is hopeless and out of your control, I bet you pray.

>>127041690
>another episode of "atheist tries to tell a Christian about his own religion"
>Love thy neighbor

You don't know what love is. And there is this really big story in the Bible about choosing your neighbor... its called the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha. Love your neighbor, but don't make sodomites and atheists your neighbors.

Psalm 139

21 Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

>There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus

That's true. Every man and woman on this earth needs salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. But if you think that means there is no such thing between men and women, for example, you're stupid.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

>>127036276

Why the fuck do you care what other people believe, especially if they DONT believe in fairies? You dumb faggot.

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What kind of "loving god" would create this?

Christians BTFO!!!!

Glad we still got some good guys in our country.

>>127042791
Created to show us the ugly extreme, maybe?
There is no good without bad, nor bad without good.

>>127042578
Yes, so? Communism is like a religion. Religions are mutually exclusive. Communism demands your complete devotion, like a religion. You cannot be communist and a little bit capitalist, just like you cannot be a Catholic and a little bit Muslim.

>>127042589
>How friend, can such a man still be sinful?

God is perfect, and heaven is perfect. If you have ever sinned in your life, then you owe an insurmountable debt. Living like a vegetable in "sinlessness," if its even possible for a man, does not justify your way into heaven. There's blood on our hands; without Jesus, every work that you do thereafter is tainted by the sin of your past

Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

>>127036276
Burn witches, do it.

>>127042191
I'm sorry but you misunderstand. Buddhism is a Religion with a capital R. It goes further than just philosophy.
> you have no holy book
Our holy book is called the Pali Canon. That it is not holy is just your opinion.
> Not all atheists are buddhist, but all buddhists are atheists.
There is a realm in Buddhism cosmology where a extremely powerful god lives. No Buddhist will demand you to believe in it or not. You may without admonishment. We are not that arrogant.
> Buddhism is not a religion.
Why exactly? No god worship? Do you consider (many forms of) Hinduism, Jainism, Shinto not religions?

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>>127042940
Have you actually studied communism?

I'm not a communist, but this sounds like some kind of propaganda from a right wing radio host or something

>>127042646
Right, so are you gonna love your neighbor Tyrone when he moves next to you with his 4 niglets, if he's not a sodomite or an atheist? When your country becomes 20% white and there's ancap memes happening in front of you, are you gonna turn the other cheek to Jose when he loots your home? I hope you won't be larping when the shit hits the fan, who knows though

>>127043217
What is the greek attitude to niggers? I'm actually very curious about this

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>>127042940
>You cannot be communist and a little bit capitalist

>>127043162
He is right, however.
Religion doesn't need to necessarily involve a deity of any kind.

>>127036276
get fucked

>>127042791
>>127042863
If you deny the light in one of us, you deny the light in all of us. There is no reason to hate them or to live amongst them. This multiculturalism that demands that you do so is indeed ungodly.

>>127043217

If Tyrone and his niglets commit minor crimes, they should be beaten, and if they commit a crime worthy of death than they should be executed. If they don't commit any crimes then there really isn't any problem, is there?

>What sane, healthy human being would choose to be depressed and live a life of superficial ((logic)) when you can choose a life of purpose and honest work instead?

It's not that inconceivable. What would our society be like if everyone refused to acknowledge reality and just stuck with working-class delusions?

>>127036276
Yup 100% correct.

The nihilist trap is a tough one, best to avoid, but if able to get through it, you will ultimately benefit from it psychologically; more so than just believing in faith.

I personally know religion is just our interpretation of what we don't know, but it has shown it's benefit. Less crimes, more controlled population, population is encouraged to breed, population fear of punishment for doing major crimes. Yes who cares if it's not true, the act of it has extreme positive consequences.

Atheism sucks because it stops our birthrate and makes people focus on themselves. There is a reason shit skins are out-breeding whites, and it has to do with the loss of our religion, whether that be malicious or an in-drect effect of western culture/increased intelligence/empathy, it's still happening.

Because surely not having kids will show them, you're not doing the world any favors by not having white children.

>>127042589
are you saying these men are without sin? or that any prior sin before this arrogant state of zen is attained is irrelevant? How is rejecting your culture and society not a sin in itself?
>>127043115
>no deity
>religion
no, it is not a religion, it has no faith, it relies only on the arrogance of the believer.
>pali canon
the musings of atheists who preach arrogance and selfishness. It's a form of self-deification which is the ultimate impiety.

>>127036276
Can't I just be Atheist and see purpose in life?

>>127043297
>religion
>no deity
>no faith
You are a fool who doesn't understand theology.

>>127043162
Communism: stateless, moneyless, tradeless, and classless. Fruit of labour and means of production are collectively shared on a completely voluntary foundation.

Any formation of culture or religion is strictly anti-communist, as they inherently conflict with the goals of communism, which is to do away with such things that separate people into groups.

>>127043292
China wasn't communist.

>>127043784
>not real communism

uh huh

>>127043272
The blacks here don't commit crime, like 95% of them are selling counterfeit shit on the streets, and we don't have a large population of them, so from what I've seen, the average greek is ok with them (although he will secretly call them names) as long as this status quo isn't broken.

>>127043923
>blacks here don't commit crime
I'll believe this as soon as I see pigs fly

It's like a mathematical law of nature, blacks always commit crime at around the same rate everywhere in the world they live

>>127043737
Isn't buddhism a religion though? Confucianism? They have no deities.
Inform me if I'm wrong.

>>127036276
You don't understand how jealous I am of anyone who can believe in a religion. Something to comfort their thoughts for the afterlife, all that runs through my head is a hope that my soul will stay close to the other souls I have grown an attachment with. I was raised Roman Catholic and I never believed, not even as a child, and I've tried so hard to believe and pretend to believe but what's the point of living a lie.

>>127043851
>Communism
>stateless, moneyless, classless

>China during Mao
>State: check
>Money: check
>Classes: check

They were socialist. Before you accuse me of me being some filthy leftist: I'm not, I'm fairly right-wing.

>>127036710
How were you changed? I'm a current atheist and I just don't understand why I can't believe like you all

>>127043400
Oh man you are fucked with that mentality. Christianity is blocking your inner /pol/ack Ironically I should be the one praying for you. Have some atheist prayers like that meme tweet I guess
>>127044041
I mean selling counterfeit shit technically is crime and that's all they do so you're correct, what I meant though was hard shit like homicides, rape etc

((They)) want you to feel alone. What if you aren't alone?
What if right now, God is looking down on you, urging you to stand up and fight.

((They)) want you to believe that Pascal's Wager is ridiculous. They mock every little thing you get wrong. I once believed that as a good person, I had a duty to submit to new information. Don't be so easily confused, new information comes constantly and is easily skewed. God helps you lead a good life. This is a fact. Reject all other lies about it, focus on the good and the observable reality that you can see right now.

>>127042746

See how vile he acts? They are always like that. It's not a single person thing, it's the ideology that makes them into this kind of hateful, nihilist people that forget decency whenever it suits them, only to immediately demand it in others when advantageous to them. Start with treating God as a brain hack. God is technology that helps you lead a good life.

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>>127040037
You're a filthy excuse for a human being. You want to drag people into poverty, prison, and near the door or death so they can "see the light". Is that really what God would want? I don't think anyone should join a fucking religion whose mentality is Join or Die. Every human has the right to the freedom of religion.

>>127044359
Human rights are a joke.
No one is entitled to anything, either they fight for it, or they lose.

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>mfw all the determinists on /v/
I know you fucks are just trying to pin your fat mistake of a life on circumstance, and not on you being a lazy poof who doesn't even play vidya games.

>>127044245
>hard shit like homicides, rape etc
Yeah, those are usually reserved for Pakis, etc.

>>127043660
From that point on he no longer causes suffering to the living. The amount of sin in the world has been reduced by that much.

> no, it is not a religion, it has no faith, it relies only on the arrogance of the believer.
Once you see things for yourself, faith becomes redundant. Do I need faith that I am typing? Or can I see it for myself?

> the musings of atheists who preach arrogance and selfishness
Arrogance and selfishness are elements of evil we all have in us. Buddhism is purely concerned with eliminating it. Forever.

>>127044063
philosophy =/= religion

religion implies faith in a deity. buddhists lack faith in a deity, because they (selfishly) believe themselves to be deities and place their faith in themselves to always be right/do right, which is an obvious blunder.

>>127036276
Connecting atheism(lack of belief in God) with the shitty things about political atheists at large is like connecting Christians with evangelical bible-thumpers or even organized religion.

You make atheism out to be more than it is, which is the lack of belief in God, because leftists turn it into their politics.

>>127044070

nobody truly knows, it would be mental illness. Like I said earlier, it's called faith for a reason. We take it on faith. We all believe to some degree. Don't listen to atheists who try to judge you on your faith. Be right with your personal God, it's good enough. You don't have to believe in the bible or in anything else. Just a higher power is good enough, you should be aware of what christians do and adapt it for yourself without falling for every little ceremony they mandate.

>>127041690
You can't reason with our fundies Greekbro. It's been tried and failed.

>>127044070
You atheism will only be broken when you are broken. Humble yourself like you've never done so before and you'll find God. Do you believe in the concept of sin? do you recognize your own sin? How does this sin make you feel, indifferent or depressed? This is God lurking on the outskirts, telling you that this sin has separated you from God and why you'll never know him until you recognize it and ultimately repent it.

>>127044535
False dichotomy, nigger.

>>127036276
Not to be an autist, but (((this))) is how you do the echo thing mate.
I agree that man is essentially religious. I think the days of edgy new atheism are over. It takes the same kind of contrarian edgelord to be the self-procalimed atheist in a predominantly Christian Midwest as it takes to be a deus vult LARPing rad-trad Catholic in urban pozz-land.

Atheism is a very superficial identity to choose. That's why a lot of us are returning to racial identity. That's based in concrete reality. Albeit with many myths and cultural histories. That's the back door to religion- blood.

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>>127044359
You are cancer. Atheism only clings to existence as a parasite on Christianity, recruiting because you don't reproduce, much like faggots do. Atheism is shrinking because atheists can't have or raise children (white birthrates shrinking). Atheism is an evolutionary dead end and you are rooting it on, metastasizing. The world has no future other than a religious one, and the fact that you're actively fighting Western Christendom and its culture makes it clear what the best course of action is for people like you. This is why I think someone who is publicly atheist (like you) and promotes those views especially in a blasphemous way should be subject to criminal prosecution by a court of law as the west has done for millenia.

>>127045122
It's not. He is doing for atheists what I described for Christians. Would it be correct to connect theists with bible-thumping, mega-church-attending, born-again Christians just because they are an easy, prominent target?

If you want an example of a false dichotomy to help you out, re-read this section of OP's post:
>What sane, healthy human being would choose to be depressed and live a life of superficial ((logic)) when you can choose a life of purpose and honest work instead?
It is not surprising that there are many logical fallacies in OP's post when he criticizes logic as a concept.

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>>127044414
If you theocratic fags think that you will be able to implement your totalitarian fantasies without people fighting back against you, then you are deluded. You autistic, disorganized, basement-dwelling edgelords aren't going force anyone to do shit.
>>127045122
That's not what a false dichotomy is, you uneducated leaf nigger.

>>127043455
>Less crimes, more controlled population, population is encouraged to breed, population fear of punishment for doing major crimes.

It's been shown statistically that societies with more Religion have higher rates of teen pregnancy and stds, more crime, lower quality of life. The best places to live in the world are European secular countries, and the founding fathers of America specifically separated church and state.

>>127045767
>libertardian LARPer accusing me of not doing shit while he does the same
Uhh yeah

>>127044500
You keep making my point for me.
>Do I need faith that I am typing
>faith becomes redundant
It's just so sad, because you're almost there friend. Just give it another go. Why not try forgiving your Dad?
>eliminating it
To think you can eliminate sin is arrogance.

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>>127045980
Muh "day of the rope" is right around the corner, right Fritzl? Can't wait for you fags to "rise up" and get instantly BTFO like you know you would

>>127044535
>You make atheism out to be more than it is, which is the lack of belief in God
I'm not saying atheists worship no gods. I'm saying they worship a false god: themselves. But atheism is so much more, it's a faith rolled into a worldview, rolled into marxist ideology.

>>127046063
Just more proof libertardianism is a retarded idea when fags like you cling to it

>>127045680
>Atheism is shrinking
By what statistic? Are you talking worldwide or here in the United States? Because everything I've seen shows the opposite in the US at least. The results are probably similar worldwide.

>In 1990, ninety percent of the adult population identified with one or another religion
group. In 2001, such identification has dropped to eighty-one percent.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090326092400/http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris.pdf

>>127046223
See, there it is again. The mental gymnastics that makes atheism out to be more than it actually is. Bonus points here for saying that atheists do worship a God, that's a stretch even for these threads.
>I'm not saying that theists worship no gods. I'm saying they worship a false god: tithes. But theism is so much more, it's a money-making engine rolled into a megachurch, rolled into a conservative ideology.
That is when you apply to theists the criticisms against evangelical scamming mega-church faith-healers, just as you apply to atheists the criticisms against political, leftist atheists.

>>127046238
Face it, you "deus vult" cringelords wouldn't last 5 seconds in an actual conflict so you should really stop kidding yourself

>>127046017
> To think you can eliminate sin is arrogance.
It is arrogance until you have seen someone actually do it, and walk the path.
> It's just so sad, because you're almost there friend. Just give it another go.
Why is faith such a big virtue in Christianity? It is where Christianity and Buddhism split.
> Why not try forgiving your Dad?
I have no issues with my dad.

>>127036276
It's not a decision

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>>127046558
You're an extra kind of retarded

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>>127036276
Oh look! OP fancies himself a poor man's Alan Bloom, making an argument that was made 30 years ago in The Closing of the American Mind with 500x the supporting arguments and 10,000x the finesse

>>127036276
God isn't real though, LARP all you want with christian rules and values but god still isn't real.

>>127036276
I wish I could
I wish I could be a part of a community that thrives on helping each other
I'm a conservative atheist. No friend to speak of. Even yesterday I got made fun of in the lunchroom because I was openly angry about Manchester. Was told I'm a shitty atheist for not hating all religion equally... I don't want to hate and I don't want to be lumped in with people that think I should for no reason.
Is there any hope for the conservative atheist? I don't believe in God but I certainly support what christianity does for a community.
I want to belong

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>>127045775
>founding fathers of America specifically separated church and state.
what exactly has secularism ever accomplished? It is literally tolerance, which is nothing to be proud of. It works because of the Christians that uphold it, in a country who's Christianity is at the heart of every citizen. As atheism takes grip, and the church is attacked and made impotent, you'll see the true nature of secularism run by jews and atheists... it becomes communism and anti-theist.

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These threads are so cringey
>"all atheists are dumb heathens who will never know purpose"
>atheists get insulted
>"behold thine kin, the heathens know nothing more than anger and violence"

Godfag roleplayers are the cringiest people on /pol/

>>127046553
>by what metric
it is inherent. Atheists don't breed, have children, and always end up just suiciding themselves. Christians and other religious groups have large families. What you misplace as atheisms growth is just white suicide as made obvious by the shrinking white demographic that you apparently love to see occur.

>>127047356
This post is incorrect

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>>127036276
I'm not depressed I've accepted my own mortality and the fact that death isn't something to be afraid of since I won't experience anything afterwards plus I've already given myself to a higher power

>>127047356
If atheism is growing by percentage despite the factors you put forth, that just means that religion is shrinking at an ever-increasing pace. Truly religion is the one of the two that is shrinking, bolstered only by the high birth-rates of religious families.

>>127046591
>until you have seen someone actually do it
this is one of the most retarded statements i've ever read on /pol/. Being perfect and without sin cannot be accomplished in this flesh and the obvious contradiction when you uphold someone selfish enough to remove themselves from society as an example of this while destroying their body is just contradictory.
>>127046553
You seem to have a deep hatred of Christianity like only an apostate raised in a Christian society would have. You should consider forgiving your Dad. Your religion - atheism - is poison. Your deity - yourself - is the ultimate arrogance and impiety. Your worldview - Modern Atheism - is the cancer of the west.

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>>127036276
>Atheism just like communism
This is rock solid proof you know nothing abut either.

>is an anti-human concept.
We are born atheist, then our minds get corrupted with fairly tales

This is patently false. Atheism is unrelated to nihilism.

Our brains have evolved in way that strongly promotes the ability to reason, however we can "suspend disbelief" to engage in brief flights of fantasy. We needed our imaginations to be able to hypothize and plan ahead. We needed to be able to speculate on the movements of herds, etc. Irrational thinking has some utility for very short periods and our brains are well suited for it. However, we are not meant to suspend our disbelief for long periods of time. Living in delusions and daydreams would have been the fastest path to paleolithic death.

His irrational beliefs for extended periods are having a profound and deleterious effect on your brain's chemistry. Holding mutually exclusive concepts without question or scrutiny creates a harmful cognitive dissonance. The long term strain of this deliberate dissonance damages your ability to think rationally.

It even causes insane beliebers to spout patently ridiculous nonsense like, "The universe was created by a magic sky daddy" and "Atheism is a religion", or "Atheism is nihilism", etc. Atheism is only the non-belief in made-up gods. Any other definition is falsified and a clear symptom of severe brain damage.

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>>127046983
Jesus fucking Christ, free yourself from all these labels and you'll be fine once you stop trying to artificially force yourself into pigeonholes.
>Was told I'm a shitty atheist for not hating all religion equally...
In many cases, the best advice is to not discuss religion or politics. It's sad that it's come to this, but in the modern day the population is the opposite of the ideal polis in the mind of the Ancient Greek philosophers, or even just reasonable people less than a century ago.
If that's not an option, you can just try to agree to disagree or tell them to fuck off and go your merry way. If it's really important for you to try to convert them—and I'd urge you to second-guess such a conclusion as it rarely is—then make sure you've researched for how to win arguments with a greater success rate: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140521-the-best-way-to-win-an-argument

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>>127047117
It created the largest, wealthiest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen, but now that it is past its peak and declining as all empires eventually do, people are scrambling looking for one simple source on which they can blame all of society's problems.
>Everything's fucked because of the 5% or so of the population who are atheists! Just kill them and everything will go back to being prosperous and great again, like the great (98% Christian) nation of Uganda, or Europe during the dark ages. It's all that simple!
Damn you've really got society, the world, life and everything all figured out. I'm convinced.

>>127046983
Once you take the redpill you can't ever go back to belonging with the normies.

>>127046913
evidence for God bounces off your retinas daily anon.
>>127046983
>B-but i'm a moderate atheist
Where have i heard this argument before? Oh yeah, muslims do this too (not all muslims!), whilest being the grass that hides their fundamentalist breathern. You are the ally of the feminist, the sodomite, and the communist.
>>127047162
hey kid, you're in for a long and painful life. Also, you should review the rules >>>/global/rules/2

>>127036276
>It is a ((plot)) to make us weak by using so called ((logic)) to confuse us into inaction and depression.
Logic prevents Muslims from bombing children, it would have prevented Christians from burning witches, and it would have prevented Jews from slaughtering Canaanites.

>>127047735
You're embarressing yourself
The only people who could ever be swayed by losers who "found god" are the impressionable underages

If you actually found god you would be out doing something that secures your spot in heaven (because actual christians are selfish, but claim not to be)

>>127047735
They don't remove themselves, they aren't destroying their body. And why can it not be accomplished?

Actually being an atheist in the literal sense of living without God led me to the conclusion that there is a higher power

Where were you when you realized the Divinity of Christ?

>>127048241
>embarressing
What's really embarrassing is not knowing how to spell "embarrassing"

>>127047631
As white people embrace atheism and feminism they are dying and being replaced by mexicans and arabs who are religious and have families. While atheism grows among the demographics you track, you aren't tracking the immigration and reproduction rates of your replacements. You seem to be exulting your own demise as glorious.

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>>127047356
so wait, what you're saying is that richer and more developed countries, EXCEPT USA, are also more atheist and have lower birth rates?

Really activates my almonds.

>>127048338
You're making a utilitarian argument for adopting a position based on principle. Are you a cretinous imbecile?

>>127048112
if theres evidence of god all around use then prove god exists

>>127047735
Where do you see a hatred of Christianity in that post? I expressed frustration with religious posters who could use logic to operate a doorknob. I have a negative view of the particular subset of christians that use mega-churches specifically to scam people out of money, but if you were able to follow the main point of my post, you would see that I don't ascribe that to theists in general. Quite the opposite if you could properly read, I am saying that the grouping of theists with some of the worst subset of theists is a bad thing to do.

>your worldview - modern atheism
You're assuming my worldview as well, I see, again grouping myself as an atheist with your view of the modern leftist political atheist. Despite my atheism, which is apolitical, I am relatively right-wing. When I say I am an atheist, it means that have a lack of belief in deities. It doesn't mean that I'm for this, or against that, or with this group, etc.

The most arrogant thing here isn't myself for being an atheist, it's you for your assumptions.

>>127048338
I'm not making a judgment value either way. If you're going to sit there and defend that atheism is shrinking in the United States, then you're wrong because the opposite is true.

>>127048338
Funny how the Chinese don't need religion to get them to breed themselves into overpopulation. It's almost like it's not as absurdly simple as "more religion = more babies, less religion = less babies always!"

>>127048520
religious posters who couldn't* use logic to open a doorknob
I should say

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>>127048331

>>127048041
>It created the largest, wealthiest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen
This was Christian men.
>now that it is past its peak and declining
This is atheist whites like you.

There really is nothing more pathetic than a 30 something atheist like you. You always go on these death spirals where you try to poison the minds of others, you're like a self-replicating protein disease like a prion. More evidence why open blasphemy like yours should be actively prosecuted.

>>127036276
>Stop being an atheist
>muh existentialism

Sounds like you need a master morality religion, friend. May I interest you in Asatru or Islam?

>>127048520
>I'm not making a judgment value
>judgment value
But you sure are swapping the positions of words like there's no tomorrow

>Cuckstians murdered every last believing soul of the true version of the original religion, which was a gnostic branch, they also destroyed everybook.

>Now they want everyone into their death cult whose commandments they don't follow

>>127048623
But I never claimed your argument was bad.
You pretending I did otherwise is a bad argument.
Checkmate

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>>127036276
>just like ((they)) want you to believe that there is no other option than to take immigrants.
Immigration has nothing to do with non-belief in phony gods.

Besides, there was a time when Jesus was fleeing Judea and sought refuge as an immigrant in Egypt. Would you say no to Jesus?

>>127036710
>i used to be a grown up that accepted the hard realities of life and thrived in the face of the universe's cold indifference to my existence but now i'm a mentally ill faggot that believes in unicorns and magic
>euphoria!
>>127036541
please hang yourself

>>127048697
I'm not though. The other post is the one making judgment values left and right. Just because I am arguing against him doesn't mean I'm also making judgment values.

A judgment value is describing something as good or bad. I stated the fact that atheism is growing instead of shrinking, and the guy I'm arguing with disagreed and called it a cancer and the worst thing and this is the end with our replacements, etc.

>>127048653
Illl take one asatru please

>>127047940
I'm not trying to convert anyone
I guess I thought people would share the opinion that it's a bad thing when kids die and that we should strive to prevent it

Instead I was told I should hate Christians equally because muh crusades and racist for calling the Manchester perp an Islamic extremist terrorist

I look at Christian communities and they seem to care about the things I care about. I just don't believe in God. So I'm hoping there's a community out there that behaves like the Christian communities I know that won't shut me out because of the God question. I don't want to even discuss god. I want people to be okay speaking out against terrorists that are killing young people. And since it's Islamic terrorism doing it I want to combat Islamic terrorism and do what I can so my 3 year old girl doesn't end up dead or raped or worse
>>127048112
I'm no ally of feminism or any other shit atheism plus brought into the fold. I just don't believe in God. Is that so hard to grasp? I have no interest in progressivism

>>127048803
Sorry I'm not some autist who combs through posts for id's or rereads my posts looking for 1 letter typos

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i became a christian through hard evidence

i was researching illuminati symbolism in music videos in 2012 and figured out that it just gets deeper and deeper
it was impossible for it all to be human orchestrated

because it was supernatural even corresponding to current events before they happened

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>>127048298
When i was 5 and again after attaining an advanced STEM degree. This science education truly connected all the dots for me as a Christian.

>>127048241
I won't hit you over the head about your embarrassing grammar, but it is kind of silly to assume Christians or myself aren't doing this already.

>>127036881
>tfw when you're a retard believing in a magic man with the weakest grasp of any concept

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>>127048629
There's nothing more pathetic than some underage "natsoc" faggot who thinks he's saving the white race and western society by spending his nights and mornings LARPing on 4chan. Give me a fucking break.

>>127048929
Whoosh! Went straight over your head.
I was making fun of you somehow warping the actual term "value judgment" (a judgment assigning a value to something) into "judgment value", which logically would have a completely different meaning (the value of a judgment).

>>127049062
>a crazy scientist from the 40s beleived in god so im right

I have such mixed feels about this.
It's an extreme generalization to say that nihilism leads to depression.
I've always believed religion was a genius idea to play off the natural fears of humans (Terror Managemnet Theory) that evolved into a political power tool as well as economic gain.
Emphasis on GENIUS idea.
We fear what we can't understand. We are uncomfortable when we can't solve our problems/fear. Death is the ultimate terror for we have zero solution to it. BAM. Invent a giant dude in the sky that's watching your invisible souls back and live life without the crippling fear and anxiety of death.

>>127049051
How come no one here ever posts Koreans with a natural nose that hasn't undergone cosmetic surgery?
There are still some left. There were some even among the ESL k-FOBs I fucked in Vancouver

>>127048444
>china
The fact that these godless people in china and africa haven't destroyed themselves into nothing is a modern mystery, i agree. Your confidence in them not doing so in our lifetimes is far more mysterious though.
>>127047631
>what is population replacement

>>127037686
just stop
>God can easily exist
proof or get out

>>127048629
Also funny that you want to completely throw out the western philosophies and ideals systems of government that were developed by (mostly) Christian white men, because completely abandoning everything that our founding fathers thought and worked to set up (which resulted in the most prosperous and wealthy empire of all time) is totally what we need to save the west! Damn who knew it was all so simple and easy

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>>127049632
>I fucked in Vancouver

stopped reading

>>127036276
Atheism is not a choice , unless you are some edgy teen. Atheists doesnt understand the concept of higher power. Its an inability to have faith. I still think that having faith is alot better compared to the endless nihilist ideas that came to mind.
>I will admit one thing however: if you live an easy/successful life, no diseases, no big hardships, people were always kinda good to you then it's hard to justify religious belief. But the second that your life goes bad, you will falter and die. We see suicides by unbelievers all the time, who lose their girlfriends and then suddenly they lose purpose because they never had real faith to prop them up in times of hardship.
This could go both ways. Its your perception , world is fucked up and contain no true traces of god. If bad things happen to you , you might end up even more faithless than before.

>You do not have to be part of any religion. Just believing in a higher power can be good enough. You can make up your own personal God. There is no rule or law about this.
Except it requires faith

>>127048609
You'll see the flip side of that coin soon i gather.

>>127049479
>It's an extreme generalization to say that nihilism leads to depression.
This whole thread is such a fucking waste. Bloom covered this in the 20th Century a million times better than the poorly-assembled thoughts vomited upon random posts here https://books.google.ca/books?id=cfr2ePZfFC4C&pg=PA9&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

>>127038624
wrong. if you break then you were mentally weak anyway and always belonged to the weak minded believer camp
i've been to combat and buried 9 friends/associates and you need to grow up and accept the realities of this existence

>>127049702

Who on heaven raped you that you're so allergic to every option of there being a god?

>>127046558
Look up what happened in Berkeley on Jewtube.

>>127048520
>You're assuming my worldview as well
Your worldview is worn on your sleeve. Modern Atheism, Nihilistic Hedonism, Cultural Marxism - it's all the same. You think because you have a little bit of racism that you're red pilled.

Yes! Finally somebody understands. Atheism is for cucked degerate cuckolds. Real redpilled men like ourselves worship Kek. Praise Kek! Shadilay brothers!

>>127048506
Open your eyes to what is outside, look for it and you'll see.

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>>127049809
You should come visit. Every year, I'm older, but the Koreans coming here to study English stay in the same age range. And they're still not much more challenge than the Japs or ChinComs because "all white look same" from their PoV
You could be close to 40 like me but as long as you look decent, all you do is go to the H-mart and ask a cute 23yo how to pick the best kimchi brand on the shelf

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>>127036276
>Believing in God is an option,
Killing to please your gods is an all too common option.

>Atheists are like homosexuals, a disease.
We are all born not having any beliefs. So you admit you used to be a homosexual? And now you're still a faggot? Well played.

>I'm making this post in an attempt to cure atheists.
You don't believe in the thousands of gods that came before. We believe in one less than you.

You can't go back to believing in Santa Claus or the Easter bunny. We can't go back to magical sky fairies.

>You can make up your own personal God.
That seems to be the case with all gods. They are made up. Thanks for proving it.

>>127049016
This.

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>>127049840
>reading anything under a cockroach flag

>>127049840
Atheism is not a choice. It's an IQ test.

>>127050073
That wasn't an actual conflict. It was child's play.
>>127050107
Confidently repeating your opinions won't magically turn them into facts.

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>>127049280
>>127049725
>replying to the same comment twice
how sad. Still waiting on the benefits of this tolerance you speak of aka secularism.

>>127050159
>Open your eyes
What about all the gooks? They can't quite pull that feat off

>>127050157
cringe

>>127036276
/thread
Realistically we won't know what happens until we die. It's an expierence everyone will have to endure themselves regardless. Taking the conservation of energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed but can transform from one form to another. We are energy so in a sense when you die your energy us released. Could perhaps the energy be the soul?

>>127050325
>It's an IQ test.

Wherein the atheist fails.

>>127049062
>213213624.jpg
Fake quote. Heisenberg was not religious like that, never said that, not a single mention in any of his library of papers and books, and even his family says this is not something he would ever say.

>>127048444
I would like to point out all the countries where atheism is below 30% is where all the dumb niggers and dune coons live. Excluding South America, they're just dumb spics.

>>127049016
You, by openly blasphemizing, are spreading your disease and thus destroying the west. If you like so many others, walk the path to knowing God in silence until you have found your faith, there is nothing wrong with that. In fact it's a critical component to Christianity, questioning it and reembracing it. However, it sounds like you allowed a jew to sink his claws into you somewhere down the line a little too deeply.

>>127050551
this post is a lie.

>>127049292
m8 if you google judgment value, the first result is the definition for value judgment.
>logically would have a completely different meaning
not if it is commonly understood that by "judgment value" I meant "value judgment." If you read my post, understood the meaning, and weren't being purposely obtuse, then it would be fine but I guess that's the best you can do when you can't touch my main arguments. I get that you were trying to pull a fast one but if you can't attack the substance then it just looks silly.

>>127049682
Could you find some data to show that there is a trend of shrinking atheism, as was your original point?

>>127050107
>Let ME tell YOU what your worldview is
I don't even need to reply to this one, you skewered yourself my friend.

>>127050471
Truly hilarious. I don't know about where you're living, but the only people that believe in God where I'm from are country bumpkins and ethnic people who are first century Americans.

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>>127050073
You are trying to get me going.. Im done with your shilling. His name was Seth Rich.

>>127049379
You'll get there one day anon. If your crippling atheistic depression doesn't take you first.

>>127049016
Did you even fully read the post of mine to which you replied? You just keep complaining and completely ignored the advice I gave you.

>>127048862
Leftist atheist have the same magic thinking expressed differently.
>refugee welcome
>all one race
>everyone is nice
>we, atheist are the best of all
>white are uniquely guilty
Atheist on the right have workaholism and alcohol.
There is no good cure for our intelligence, stop pretending you have the correct one when you're drinking one more jewish religion.

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>>127050217
i dont like the degenerate sexually active of this life

sorry man

but i think any of these alpha male normies who pick up girls like that and fuck them are pretty much straight to their way to hell

i dont want any part in your normy pick up game and then having sex like nothing

and thinking youre just going to live and be like that

im more of an elliot rodg type i would prefer shooting you for being like that

>>127050829

So what is the reason why you don't believe and be honest about it.

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>>127036276
Great thread austriabro. Religion is very important for a healthy, uncucked society. Take it away and what have you got ?
>protip: check the western countries

>>127049952
>bad things happen therefore God doesn't exist
that's nihilism friend.

>>127050393
*tips fedora*

Shadilay, degenerate.

>>127050387
You haven't provided any benefits to theocracy except a disproven opinion about birth rates, and some vague notion of western society being greater during the dark ages, before white men developed Enlightenment philosophies and created the United States, and when we burned people for being heathens and witches. Personally, I'm not convinced. You also claim to be saving the west by tearing down the western, libertarian philosophies that were developed by our Christian founding fathers, which is some irony to say the least.

Your claims about atheism being inextricably linked to tolerance are also bullshit, as demonstrated by non-religious societies that remain intolerant by our standards. It's clear that you base your entire worldview on emotion and memes without many facts to back it up.

>>127036276
Great post. Atheism is destroying the West as much as anything else. They are equally as bad as the Muslims

>>127051049
I don't believe in God because it's based off Aesop's fables without animals.
I don't believe in religion because it's hypocritical.
They ALL preach like they know answers that us atheists don't and deny any evidence of the hypocrisies people of their faith commit against the doctrines of their religion.
I like science. Evolution looks might fucking plausible and honestly, there's just too much power and money surrounding the entire thing for me to trust it at all.

I don't hate on religious people. Occasionally when I'm super high I wish I could believe without needing evidence. Then I think of dinosaurs and start giggle.s

>>127050325
>my own intelligence
seems to be the false god atheists worship.

>tfw Christians leave /pol/ and this board sees a sharp rise in liberalism, communism, and muh bigger govt crap

All Christians should just leave /pol/ and go elsewhere. This place will turn to shit if that happens because it'll be mostly made up of agnostics, atheists, jews, muslims, hindus, and Buddhists.

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>>127050159
>christcuck intellectuals

>>127044414
>No one is entitled to anything, either they fight for it, or they lose.
>Can't compete in a civilized world, reverts to primitive tribalism
Well, that much is clear.

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>>127050815
>m8 if you google judgment value, the first result is the definition for value judgment.
(1) Irrelevant to what I wrote, and (2) word order has little influence on Google queries.
>not if it is commonly understood that by "judgment value" I meant "value judgment
It's not commonly understood because I'm having difficulty finding ANY use of the phrase "judgment value" anywhere.
>when you can't touch my main arguments
But I'm not interested in your main arguments, and never claimed to be. You seem to have an overinflated opinion of the importance of whatever it is you're trying to sell here.

>>127051333
kek, those digits

>>127050004
>why are you so averse to believing in unicorns and dragons?
stop trying so hard to recruit people into your gay club

>>127051049
What the US poster said could be true , above average IQs or genius level IQs tend to think differently , it doesnt have to be deragatory to the lesser ones. I said that atheism is the persons inability to understand the concept of religion or a higher being. This could very well correlate with higer IQ brains since they are more keen to the scientific thinking method and tend to have some autismo in them.

>>127051216
You seem to have dodged the question. Please tell me the benefits of Tolerance aka Secularism.
>dark ages
wow. You are historically illiterate as well. There is no such thing as the dark ages. It. Never. Happened.

>>127044353
>((They)) want you to believe that Pascal's Wager is ridiculous.
The problem is that the only way the Wager can work logically is if you sincerely believe in ALL the religions and gods and violate none of their rules.

>>127036276
If nihilism gives you depression then you're a fool. You see behind the fire. Now you need to try and see behind the sun, not cowe under it.

>>127051049
no proof
just like how i don't believe in leprechauns

>>127051310
>I don't believe in God because it's based off Aesop's fables

How is it a fable that there could be gods?

>>127051302
Shadilay!

>>127050599
genetics aside, those who are pious inherit the earth. White america is mostly german because of their 19th century piety.

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>>127051449
I truly am incapable of understanding how someone can pray to something that doesn't reply and then live off circumstantial coincidences reinforcing their faith.
I wish I was, genuinely.

>>127051481
>Please tell me the benefits of Tolerance aka Secularism.
I already told you why this is a loaded question, since tolerance and secularism are not mutually inclusive, and there exist many societies where you have secularism without the tolerance. Why did you ignore this fact?

>>127050968
>magic thinking expressed differently
absolutely wrong
everything you listed has nothing to do with not believing in god

>>127051685
>atheists are more left wing on average and vote similar to jews

good goy

>>127051683
I'm referring to my view of the Bible being a collection of stories meant to teach life lessons. Like Aesop's fables.

>>127051423
>I'm being intentionally obtuse
I understood that

>I'm having difficulty finding ANY use of the phrase judgment value
>your previous post referred to it logically meaning "the value of a judgment"
Not particularly difficult it would seem

>I'm not interested in your arguments I just wanted to make fun of you switching two words in a phrase
not worth responding to then

>>127036276
I mostly agree, OP.
keep spreading the word and fighting the good fight.

atheist cucks need to be eradicated.

>>127051096
you lack reading comprehension
i did not say bad things happen because god doesn't exist
thomas aquinas had a good argument for why god would allow evil
i'm saying you should grow up and stop using fairytale crutches to cope with a harsh world

>>127050815
I can tell you are offended since you didn't defend your atheism here. You should know by now that when you tell someone you're an atheist that you're telling them soooo much more about yourself than you think you are. You should guard this tidbit - but most Christians are pretty good at spotting jews like you.
>shrinking atheism
I'd post some demographic information about how america is now only 54% white, but it should be common knowledge, it's like you are denying that america is no longer white majority. Whites are being replaced by Catholic mexicans. If you still don't believe me let me know and i'll spend 5 seconds googling american demographic information for you, but I know you're just trolling and/or not serious.

>>127051748
If you need proof for everything then prove your own existence. Protip: you can't, and you're a hypocrite.

>>127051091
Greece is one of the most Christian countries on Earth and it's doing shit, and just look at the middle east, religion ruins growth and prosperity. The only problem is that most athiests also accept sand niggers into their country because they're libshits who think Islam is the religion of peace or some shit.

>>127051850

We gnostics consider them myths from where to grab knowledge and teachings, aware that the creator is evil as seen in the world.

What would make you doubt such an approach?

>>127050980
>i dont like the degenerate sexually active of this life
Fair enough, and that's your prerogative. However, modern feminism and politics has decimated the availability for most men of the only other acceptable alternative that can provide a measure of happiness: a potential loyal wife with whom one can build a shared identity, around which one can construct a real family (I've quoted Bloom several times already in this thread, and he covers this point very well too). If I can't get that, I might as well enjoy myself some other way.

>>127052159
this is the dumbest shit I've ever read.

>>127036276
>stop being an atheist
Show me evidence that isn't based on a bunch of philosophical bullshit or the word of a peasent from a time where they thought demons caused illness. Faggot.

>>127051937
I don't think atheists should be eradicated, but it does seem like atheism is heavily correlated with extreme liberal views, that lead towards either apathetic views developing in society, or it leads towards a rise in militant anti-theists.

I just find it ironic that people dedicate so much time towards something that supposedly doesn't exist.

>>127052159

HOLY STUPID ARGUMENTS BATMAN!

>>127036276
The Quran teaches that live is just wothless and we should sacrifice our self to Allha by killing as many non-muslims as we can giving us a free ticket to the heavens. In conclusion Islam its a religion based on nihilism.

CHECKMATE MOTHERFUCKER, your whole premise shut down into the ground!

>never reach more than a couple percent of the population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

BTFO AGAIN! HOW IS HE GOING TO RECOVER!

>>127052222
Not an argument. Prove your own existence?

>>127051310
There is merit to some of the ideas trying to rise to the surface in that mess of a post, but you write like a 12yo

>>127051730
you seem desperate to get people to join your club

>>127051952
>thomas aquinas had a good argument for why god would allow evil
Evil exists because of Pride, which you have clearly embraced. It's so sad, because your nihilism is obviously terminal just from reading a few select replies of yours. Get help in the Lord while you still can. being a veteran and seeing your atheist war buddies pop their brains out after coming home left and right should wake you up, but then again nothing probably will.

>>127052409

I don't give two shits actually, we don't make a habit of preaching.

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>>127052166
>Greece is one of the most Christian countries on Earth

Wrong.

> and just look at the middle east, religion ruins growth and prosperity.

Bullshit, that's islam, a religion less superior than catholicism. Europe used to rule the world under christianity, now without it it's dying. Too retarded to see it ? Swallow the religion pill already faggot.

>>127052203
>has
Oops, should have proofread. It should be "have".
>quoted
I meant "cited".

>>127052280
You say this in America. Where you have to pretend to be Christian to get anywhere in politics and we have retards like Pence going before governing bodies trying to disprove evolution while understanding absolutely nothing about it. You're absolutely a moron if you don't see why atheists spend so much time debating this. Kill yourself.

>>127052258
You see it everyday.

>>127052374
If you asked me a question, I might answer. That's much more than you can say for God.

>>127036276
Dipshit doesn't realize that the best way to redpill mudslimes is to convert them to Athiesm/Secularism.

>>127052643
You mean you attribute totally natural and normal happenings that benefit you to a being who has your back?

Again, if Christians were taken out of the equation for /pol/, this place would probably shift to either centrism, center-left, or a distorted view of conservatism (people calling themselves conservative whilst rejecting social conservatism).

I just hope this board becomes less religious so I can prove my point in the future.

>>127052374
"I don't need to prove it! Uh uh uh jump through my hoop!"
I hope you never reproduce.

>>127052286
It's not a stupid argument, he's just making the point that when somebody makes a decision to ignore all evidence, nothing can be proven to them. You'll do anything to ignore the evidence all around you of God existence and Love for you.

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>>127052203
nah i think you have no soul if you can go and get random girls and have sex with them

just the fact that youre capable of doing that and its something you go out and attempt to do says the type of person you are automatically

youre basically a norm and i dont like people like that

being alpha and dominant is inherently evil and prideful and arrogant and boastful

i only respect beta males

>>127051786
>(You)
Yet they are the religous belief of the godless atheist.
At least I am an irreligious theist because "god" isn't a conscious entity.

>>127036276

Why did god create Atheist?

Buddism one of the worlds oldest systems, speaks that the universe doesn't needs a creator as it creator is the human mind.

Buddism see's itself not as a religion but a way of life.

So why did God allow the creation of Buddism first, and his actions are ONLY in the middle east.

Why no ancient Asian/European/African religion speaks about Cocaine, Avocados, Coca.
Yet Native south american does, No God has releved the existance of all the Continents, and no God has ever been consistent.

The Old testament is filled with God's Wrath, Envy and love, and often times Incest and even Mudshit mentality such as (it's ok to give your daughter to ruffians as long as a priest doesn't gets hurt)

Homosexually happens in nature, it's nature. Why did God create frogs that are too horny to give a fuck about who they fuck and start fucking everything that moves?

That doesn't mean that Homosexuality in humans is a good idea, as hedonism life style create weak beta men that only seek pleasure and don't sacrifice themselfs for the better of everybody else.

God was happy to whipe cities off the face of the planet, and not only that whipe the whole human race (if you believe what was written)
What kind of All mighty , all knowing, all powerful being make a mistake so hunge that he has to "press the reset" button.

>yfw most of the Bible was inspired from Zoroastrianism, with combos from judan faith, and some stories that were based from Babylon such as the tales of Gilgamesh.

Trying to say that human life has a divine porpuse and there is life after death. is retarded. Simply because humans are animals like dogs and cats, they fuck , eat and sleep. just because we think doesn't make us any better(most don't even)

And life after death? Order without structure or something to make order from cannot exist.

You need a book and Ink and arrage the ink on the book to tell a story,

>>127052643
People like you are why I hate talking about this. You truly, truly are worthless anon.

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>>127052105
Funny how America isn't even close to being the most secular country, how it's by far majority Christian, and yet it's still among the most cucked and degenerate nations on earth. Meanwhile non-religious Asian countries (with less kike influence) manage to maintain their traditionalist, intolerant ways, and (in the case of China) their high birth rates. Really gets the old noggin joggin'.

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>>127052374
>Prove your own existence?

>>127052898
>
this.

>>127036276
Your question: what is the point of life without God?

Simple answer: procreation and advancement of the next generation

Death to commies and totalitarians

>>127052586
you're on here shilling pretty hard for your gay club that demands evangelism and giving money and utter devotion to the church

>>127052735
More than your off the cuff fedora argument, from the scientific perspective and philosophical perspective there are many compelling arguments that honest atheists can't deny. If you aren't at least a deist you have no intelligence in you... But deists are objectively worse than atheists.

>>127053127
>evangelism and giving money and church

I'm gnostic, we do none of these.

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>>127051887
>Not particularly difficult it would seem
You seem to have low comprehension aptitude.
There are few, if any, exemplars of the phrase "judment value" aside from your posts. Thus, I used logic to see that it is semantically equivalent to "the value of a judgment". This logical exercise in no way negates my claim that the phrase has no usage outside your funky prose.
>not worth responding to then
In this thread there is nothing of substance that hasn't been covered by Bloom. Absolutely nothing—and I've read the whole thing. That's why I'm playing around.

>>127053055
There is no point to life. That's the ultimate redpill.

>>127052612
Europe isn't dying because of it's lack of religion, it's dying because of the EU and letting refugees in, and yes, by percentage, Greece is one of the most Christian countries on Earth, because Catholics are christians

>>127053133
>from the scientific perspective and philosophical perspective there are many compelling arguments that honest atheists can't deny.

Such as?

>>127052508
you seem very upset that someone can live a fulfilling life without believing in unicorns. almost like someone sold you a bad deal

>>127036276
Also Christianity is communism (take from the rich give to the poor) fucking faggot

Or better yet imagine this for a second
You've got a book with letters on it, the letters create stories those stories someone wrote them.
Who wrote the book for your life if it's not you and your experience written on your synapses connection.
Your memories are the synapses touching each other and sending mesages from one to the other.

But here is an intresting questions, what happens when you take pages from your book and burn them. What happens to those memories? What if i take a part of your brain, what would happen?

But lets go further...

What happens to a story that you wrote in your book which you passed to others to read, once you take the book and burn it and spread the ashes in the wind.

Where those the story go?
The stories stays with those that read it, but the actual story doens't go story heaven.
Doesn't magically appear in an space book as a copy to be reused by new books, best case scenario someone rewrites it...

SOMEONE a human, someone who read the original story. but it wont be the same story, it will be slightly diffrent.

Similarly to some humans born that end up acting like previews historical figures.

>>127052761
>atheist
>pro-abortion
>pro-sodomy
>pro-feminism
>pro-faggot adoption
what even makes these people right leaning? their racism? their pretend pro-male stance?

>>127053244
Greece is orthodox

>>127053133
>0
Please expand on these compelling arguments.

>>127053133
Name fucking three of them.

yeah? then what created god? or why universe has an age? like god thought to himself that it kinda sucks being only thing in..(?) and decided to create everything with a snap of a finger.

The anwser is: religion is a tool used by high powers of societies to control masses wayy easier or make them do what they see fit. Stop bothering with why are we here, start making use of that fact, like going to gym, popping some weed and watching cool movie, making world better place by recycling or killing musmils just suit yourself and stop bothering with stupid pointless arguments.

>>127052840
Heh, I see.
Your approach is interesting, but I'm not convinced of its utility.

>>127053393

Yes anon, because every religion is the same, ignorant fuck.

>>127052858
>At least I am an irreligious theist because "god" isn't a conscious entity.
so a deist? That is objectively worse than atheist. Believing in a God how is powerless, uninvolved, and ambivalent is not a God who would/could create all things in existence.

>>127052713
Ex-Muslims that deconvert and become atheists act like they just discovered the existence of atheism, and they are automatically intelligent.

it reminds me of an atheist turk on here who told me that "studying other fairy tales makes people deconvert." I then proceeded to disprove him by showing examples of people who study multiple religions whilst identifying as one. I just got name called stupid.

Fedoras aren't any better than Muslims. There's a reason why Europe is the way it is.

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>>127053244
>it's dying because of the EU and letting refugees in

And what led to it ? People are being killed in their own cities, on their own streets, yet they do nothing except writing some shit on the street with chalk. They no longer feel the attachment to their own kind, they became hedonistic, self-righteous assholes who only think about themselves, always fearing for their petty lives and putting safety first. Disgusting.
Real catholics would take knifes, guns and go straight to their parliment and murder all the sellouts and gangsters that are selling their own country and flooding it with terrorists.

>>127052887
You seem to have a middle school understanding of Free Will and Evil. Then you kind of catapult yourself into an adhominem attack on Christian dogma as if that helps your atheist argument in any way.
Protip: Forgive your dad.

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>>127053244
Eu is dying because jews want a multicultural low IQ inviduals which are easily manipulated like cattle and consume more the high IQ individuals.

Because 30-40 years ago with a population boom of young people , voted mainly socialist and democrat (because muh gibs)

As people get older they go away from "gibs" libera/socialist/dem mentality to more conservative one, as they dont want to share what they worked hard for.

With Pyramids that favor today Conservatives, libs/socialist/dems are losing power, which they want to maintain so they are brining more and more 3rd world poor faggots for gibs to displace the missing young population.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FK2eg33Qco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FanSfyujwSY

this should make my point and it's valid for cucknadas and USA as well

>>127053726
It's evolutionary advantageous to not care about other people, not disgusting.

>>127053297
BS categories. I, along with some of my friends are
>agnostic atheist (i.e. assume atheism is probably approximately correct for all practical purposes)
>anti-abortion (at least anything but very early term)
>pro-heterosexual sodomy
>pro-nuclear family and anti-faggot adoption
>pro-Trump (I went to argue with anti-Trump protesters here in Vancouver in front of the Trump tower on election night)

>>127053508
No intent, no power.
The "creation" was an unwilled consequence of the existence of the birth universe.

Fractal just tell me it is an entity. The closest word is god, but it sure ain't a monotheist one. It just it, and by doing so made us exist.

Religion is just money making, brainwashing, time wasting bullshit.

You aren't going to heaven.

there are no pearly gates.

If you aren't stable enough to realise that our actions and goals are the same as all life, procreate and expand, then maybe you're best off dead so you're one less person for those that strive for advancement to drag along?

>>127053297
I have no idea. I always see atheists on /pol/ claiming they are conservatives.

I recall a person whom said he was a high schooler from California, and he was getting ready to start an atheist conservative group. Although when I asked him questions regarding his stance on social conservatism, he basically said it's stupid. Thus, I reinforced my point about atheists not being conservatives

An atheist "conservative" is usually someone whom confuses libertarianism or centrism with conservatism, or they'll favor one specific aspect such as "smaller government," and proceed to state that they are conservative although they disagree with almost all of the conservative platform.

This is why I say that if /pol/ were to have all the Christians leave, only a distorted view of conservatism would continie to exist on here.

>>127053509
Comparing atheists to Muslims. Holy shit man that's a new a level of fucking retarded.
>well anon, I won't kill you for your belief, but I'll laugh at your retarded statements.

>>127052898
>>127052949
The way you recoil at the notion that everything is Gods work proves it must be true, nothing makes the jew/atheist recoil more than the word of God and evidence of such. On the surface you've taken for granted the existance of matter, subatomic particles, energy, and XYZt space itself. Not even delving into the sheer astronomical odds of a protein sequence reproducing into our DNA... it's just an offense to your arrogance that someone would even consider that which is obvious to everyone but you.

Europe is both the most cucked and most atheistic place of the world.

Not a coincidence, fedoras are retarded.

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>>127053509
>Fedoras aren't any better than Muslims. There's a reason why Europe is the way it is.

>>127054061
Social conservatism has lost the culture war in mainstream America, and for good reason. It might come back if we import enough shitskins though.

>>127053279
>>127053353
>>127053359
This is how i know you're in middle school and/are uneducated.

>>127053488
It basicly fucking is if you thing about it

Same blueprint for same all of them - paranormal entity/entities created shit having ultimate power above us so listen to them and do what they say or you will meet ultimate punishment like hell or having next life as something miserable

guns in eachother faces for the same lies, same everything and same nothing

We cannot anwser wheter there is a god, or not. But what you can observe is that none of them really gives a fuck about us, humans. So instead of figting eachother, the best way for human kind is to drop every possible religion and rely on common sense, loyality, treating eachother well and looking after eachother - the thing that we developed even as primitive tribes in their own ranks.

>>127053963
That seems familiar. Would you say that religion brainwashes the masses for the gain of a few, and that religion is destructive to society and should therefore be eradicated?

>>127054177I
So because you do not know an answer there is God? I totally get it now.
Except, no. I definitely do not.

>>127044209
Turn to logic a little. How can the universe appear so suddenly and out of nothing? It can not happen without some form of divine intervention. As the father of quantum mechanics said, "At the top of the glass of natural sciences you will find atheism, at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you". Take a look at geography and astronomy and look how perfect our planet Earth is. How, for example, an asteroid hit Earth 65 million years ago to kill off the dinosaurs so mammals can evolve (or so do the scientists say), and how today, Jupiter conveniently protects us from such dangers. Take a look at chemistry and how we are just a bunch of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen, and yet there is some magical force in us which gives us our thoughts and consciousness.

>>127053726
>Real catholics would take knifes, guns and go straight to their parliment and murder all the sellouts and gangsters that are selling their own country and flooding it with terrorists.
I would love for that to happen, I might even join in, I don't agree with most athiests on refugees, and I think it is a problem, most atheists just need to accept that most of these people are not going to integrate into society like they wish they would in their fantasy utopia. I just don't think the rise of atheism is the cause. Correlation does not equal causation.

>>127053244
>letting in refugees
this wouldn't happen if whites were having children, but their atheism, feminism, and degeneracy precludes that happening. Why are you defending atheism again?

>>127054177
>"Because it's pretty god exists."
>"Because it's complicated God exists."
>"because you don't like it, it exists"
Gotta admit that last one is new, but it's Muslim tier thinking. Might wanna work on that. As for the rest, usual dribble from a retard.

>>127054368
Your inability to answer a question is proof of me lacking an education? Try again.

>>127053874
>It's evolutionary advantageous to not care about other people
Nope. Evolutionarily, one's offspring get some benefit of the support of the others in one's tribal society, and since evolution happens on the level of genes rather than organisms, such support is to an extent selected for, not against. Now, within a caring society, it is optimal for a totally selfish individual (a psychopath). However, this only works as long as the number of psychopaths in society is small enough to avoid destroying social cohesion. The existence of these individuals is also why the selection for support I mentioned doesn't lead to total altruism developing: because it would be too easily exploited by the few psychopaths that do occur. More here https://www.sfu.ca/psyc/faculty/krebs/publications/MacDonald.pdf

>>127052508
>these levels of smug

this just proves that none of you losers are actual christians, you just roleplay as paladins because it makes your life feel more interesting. if any of you were actual christians you wouldn't spend your time on /pol/ berating people for not being a part of your religion like a bunch of muslims.

>>127053282
>fulfilling life
Just wait until life kicks you in the balls one good time kid.

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>>127053423
ever heard of righteousness bro

from the bible

and not being part of the wicked

i dont care about utility

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>>127036276
good goy

>>127053508
>a God who is powerless, uninvolved, and ambivalent is not a God who would/could create all things in existence.
Your moment of Zen.

>>127054368

Oh, ok, let me fall to the same level as you then:

Go fuck yourself you stupid, inbred, gullible waste of human flesh.