An honest argument against the 2nd amendment

Fuck you, I'm keeping muh guns.

you'll take my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands you damn leaf

>>126993851
>I hate seeing very poor arguments
>posts the same poor argument a 14 year old woman posts to facebook

oh canada

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Do you understand we can see where you are from? Absolutely nobody gives a shit what you think. In fact I didn't even read your drivel just the title.

>>126993851
>a tyrannical government that MOABs entire trailer parks will remain legitimate.

Fucking Ontariofags

>>126993851
RAKE THE LEAF!!!!

>>126993851
>Turkey has military coup
>Put down by unarmed civilians
KYS leaf

>>126993851
right to bear arms is essential to autonomous property ownership. Gun grabbing is a building block of communism.

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Baiting leaf.

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>>126993851
>the general populace would not be able to overthrow it

ekshully, American citizens were allowed Warships and given letters of marque to wage war, officially, for the government. Technically we're still able to.

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>>126993851
No one will fight for America in the event of societal or economic collapse. Nor will service members go along with the government should it become tyrannical.

>>126994139
Would you like to have an intelligent conversation, or would you like to be a typical burger and spew hateful rhetoric?

>>126994149
We're the only province that actually matters in this country

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>>126993851

Not an argument

Fuck off

>>126993851
dumbo, we got more fertilizer ie bomb material, than you would ever need to overthrow a government. This is farm country.

Please stop using canadian proxies for your slide threads.

>>126993851
You're argument basically says that we have very little chance against a Rouge government, so we should completely give up and turn in our guns, turning that, let's say, 5% chance in winning a fight against the government, into a 0% chance. Great fucking thinking. Fuck off.

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>>126993851
>argument against the 2nd amendment
here's my argument for the 2nd amendment.

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>>126994262
This
Leafs will never learn

>>126994351
>implying that Canada matters.

Nah fuck off OP.

>>126993971
>/ourguy/

Fuck off leaf

>>126993851
What worries you, and the left people about guns so much?

Come and get em faggot

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1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN

>>126994651
They're pussies who can't handle shit.

>>126993851
The US military is only like 3 million. The armed population of America is almost 300 million. I don't care how much "technology" the military has, they would get utterly destroyed in a massive armed uprising.

>>126993851
>government gets out of line
>Americans say fuck you we're not going to stand for this
>government try's to mobilize military
>half of military fights on the other side
>citizen militia numbers grow to over 100 million
>government gets fucked
Yeah don't tell me it's useless to have guns in America

>>126994651
Guns are used for one thing and one thing only: killing. Killing is wrong, it does not matter what the circumstances are. Both Human and animal life should be respected. Tens of Thousands of people in America are needlessly slaughtered at the barrel of a gun every year. This could easily be prevented if the gov't took all guns away.

>>126993851
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

>>126994262
Was about to post this.

>>126994750
>Implying that women and children would participate.

Should the American people ever foolishly attempt to overthrow the government, I cannot see more than 3% of the population fighting.

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>>126993851
Melon labia.

>>126994295
I think you're wrong there. It'll be probably 30-60% that stay loyal. The rest will mostly desert, not fight against.

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>>126993851
>tfw lack of free market access to tanks, attack helicopters and fighter jets is an infringement on the second amendment

>>126994304
Why would I have a conversation with someone who doesn't live here? You want to be an American so bad you want to argue about things that don't even effect you. Sad!

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>>126993851
>An honest argument against the 2nd amendment
Alright I'll be honest. There is no argument. I am not even reading the rest of your post. If anyone tries to knock down my door, warrant or not, to take my guns. I am going to shoot them. If you want my guns you are welcome to try and take them.

Shall not be infringed. Full stop.

>>126994834
Yeah, they can take lives, or save them.

Take your pro-life bullshit off /pol/, I feel safer giving guns to niggers than to a corrupted government.

>>126995076
It does affect me though. Guns in your country are so many, and so unregulated that they get smuggled across the bored into my country and are used in violent crimes here. It's in the interest of all Canadians that the 2nd amendment is Vetoed.

>>126993851
SHALL

>>126993851
>F-35_Raptor_knocking_on_suspected_gun_owner_door.jpg

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>>126995080
PEEL MAH FINGERS OFF THE GRIP
Seriously dog bless neighbor, moving back as soon as I finish my studies

>>126995285
>That webm
I now have a freedom boner

>>126993851
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
Go back to the cuckshed you fucking mong, you aren't even American and you're trying tot take rights away. You're not better than a piece of shit liberal taking away things that don't even fucking affect them.

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>>126993851
>>126995239
kill your self, to be honest

>>126993851
>The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15? Well that is not good enough to defeat a government with tanks, fighter jets, attack helicopters, battleships, aircraft carriers, elite soldiers and a nuclear arsenal with enough firepower to destroy our planet several times.

1: This is incorrect. You can buy much more powerful weaponry, such as RPGs and .50 cal sniper rifles in many states, and tanks are legal to own so long as you can pay the tax stamps.

2: Armor and drones cannot enforce a police state, police are necessary to do so, and it becomes exponentially harder to do so when your oppressees are all armed.

3: Even if only a tenth of all gun owners joined the revolution (it would be far higher) and the Feds deployed every single last soldier (not possible; something like half permanently deployed overseas), we'd still outnumber them by something like 12:1 (before half of the military defected).

4: A new revolution would be backed by Russia and China, and the moment the Feds even threatened to nuke their own people they lose as the entire world turns on them. Conversely, the moment a nuclear sub defects, they lose as it points a gun at the head of DC.

>>126995408
this >>126995239

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>100+ million civilian gun owners in the US
>over 400 million guns owned (only counting legal ones)
>40 billion rounds of ammo
>compare to our military = 1 million members

the American people ARE the largest military in the entire world. fuck u shill

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>>126993851
>the populace does not need to be armed because there are trained specialists
when seconds count and help is minutes away...
>pic related

Can Canada even form a well regulated militia?

>>126993851
The second amendment has and always been about resistance to government tyranny, not about defense from a foreign threat. If the government does go tyrannical, that "greatest military in the world" can turn on you in a hurry. if all 300 million Americans had an AR-15, the government would have one hell of a time trying to force compliance. That risk of a bloodbath is why we need the 2nd amendment.

>>126995512
Nigger they are used so rarely in a way that affects you you're fucking retarded

>>126993851
The Revolutionary war and Vietnam can attest that even technologically outmatched, an armed populace is a bitch to get rid of to establish contumacious commie canacuck idiocy

>>126993851
Wrong.

Government wouldn't use tanks on their people, because then the government would be useless without infrastructure/people to lead

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>>126993851
COLD
DEAD
HANDS

>>126993851
Fuck off leaf. Saged.

>>126995594
My cousin was killed by an illegal gun smuggled into Ontario from the US

You know what bothers me is that liberals want to ban guns but don't want to ban Islam.

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>>126993851
>America has the most powerful military in the world.
Made up of citizens. In the event of a civil war or major fall out of governance there would be major defects.
>the general populace would never be able to overthrow it
Brittan was the major power at the time and we fucked 'em good.
>with tanks, fighter jets, attack helicopters, battleships, aircraft carriers, elite soldiers and a nuclear arsenal
In the event of a civil war our logistics to maintain and deploy these would crumble. There's no argument here, you're just a mapled leaf.

>>126995767
>Ontario
found your problem

>>126993851
No serious person has ever argued against the 2nd amendment. Their are people who love it, who think it is one of the most important ones. And there are other people who dislikes laws and borders and shit, but who who have never suggested we repeal the 2nd amendment. This second group tend to also concoct crazy interpretations of the 2nd amendment; But since the meaning of the second amendment is well recorded in legal precedent they are meaningless interpretations.

ah i see, you are one of those "Canadian cucks"

>>126995080
Is that a goddamn alien fleshlight

Also
SHALL

>>126993851
>leaf
kys

>>126995239
>that they get smuggled across the bored into my country
It's not like anyone can fill out a "Non-Resident Firearm Declaration/Declaratiion D'Armes A Feu Pour Non-Resident" form retard. Holy fuck I bet my life you're an asian.

>>126994834
>Killing is wrong
No it is not. It is a chore like any other, to be done as quickly and efficiently as possible when the need arises.

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>>126993851
>Don't worry you don't have to fight someone else would......
>When they feel like.....

Do I have that right?

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if an insurgency can't defeat the US military, what happened in vietnam and all those middle eastern shitholes? really gets the noggin joggin

You literally reiterated what every other retard has said except it took you 7 paragraphs to do so

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>>126994304
How about we mind our buisness and you mind yours, you faggot canadian

>>126994948
>Should the American people ever foolishly attempt to overthrow the government, I cannot see more than 3% of the population fighting.
3% of 300 million is 9 million. Way too many armed citizens for a government to attempt a civil war. The deterrent effect of the 2nd amendment is the key thing here.

>>126996027
Simple. The US is at an immediate disadvantage when they fight a conflict over seas in foreign land. When you have lived in an area for several years, even decades, and are extremely familiar with the geography, you can defeat any force no matter how formidable it is.

This is exactly why the US military would be able to stomp the shit out of civilians who stage in uprising in the US.

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>>126993851
This has to be bait and you have to be using a proxy....

This same shit gets repeated here daily.

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>>126995871
It is a muzzle device anon.

>>126993851
>America has the most powerful military in the world. There is no reason to have an armed populace

That's more reason to arm the populace you idiot

>the general populace would never be able to overthrow it.
Vietnam
You need people for a police state with unarmed civilians, this has been discussed over and over


Seriously it's amazing how every anti gun fag says things that can be so easilly proven wrong. Like they have no idea about guns.

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>>126993851
Listen you faggot leaf. First, okay I fell for your good damn bait. Secondly, your opinion doesn't matter, because you're a leaf and not a burger. Third, do you think the people that break the law are going to give up their guns? They acquire their weapons by illegal means, to protect themselves if they should ever murder someone. There is no way ballistics could be traced back to them. So, if you take the guns out of good citizens, then the only ones left with guns are the criminals. You're a jealous fucking idiot.

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>>126993851
>America has the most powerful military in the world. There is no reason to have an armed populace when you have millions of trained soldiers ready to fight with the best equipment. Also, if the American government ever did step out of line, the general populace would never be able to overthrow it. The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15? Well that is not good enough to defeat a government with tanks, fighter jets, attack helicopters, battleships, aircraft carriers, elite soldiers and a nuclear arsenal with enough firepower to destroy our planet several times.


Every thread until you stop being stupid

>>126993851
Even with a military, there is a possibility of civil war where there is infighting amongst US soldiers themselves. Plus, with outside forces such as Interpol who would back up the globalist faction in our armed forces and invade our soil...we as armed civilians even up the numbers to the foreign invaders.We have a birth given right to defend ourselves under any condition, and our own local law enforcement tells civilians to arm themselves in the event they cant make it, to aid citizens in time. THIS scenario is reason why your arguments are unacceptable...

Checkmate.

>>126996288
>ignores my post
wew lad

Also, even our own fucking Department of Defense has admitted that an uprising would have better than even odds of ousting the government.

>>126993851
First of all: Fuck you. You're a fucking moron.

The armed American populace is the ONLY REASON there is any freedom left on earth. Period.

>>126993851
What if I live in the middle of nowhere and it takes the cops 15 minutes to show up. Am I supposed to sit back and die?
>>126995080
How do you like the px4?

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>>126993851

>>126996359
There are police to protect law abiding citizens from the criminals. Did you know this?

>>126996288
Just like how the Turkish military was willing to open fire on and the slaughter all the roach civilians laying under their tank treads. Oh wait...

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I carry with me everywhere in California.

>>126996288
The only problem with that is that the military is the civilians. I think the last figures were around a 77% defect rate? With whole military bases being controlled by what's now the citizenry. It would be over before it started. That's why it'll never happen.

>>126995285
Why are FALs so sexy?

>The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15?

Another oddity
It's legal in the US and some other nations to raise and train a fully armed military unit, even an army, provided it is intended to operate outside of the US and its possessions. The basis for various mercenary units.

>>126993851
It's called the Bill of Rights not the Bill of Needs.

>>126993851
>>126994304
You're canadian, you don't have a "second ammendment" what could you possibly have to discuss? Say gun control next time and you might have better results.

You have to be the stupidest piece of shit I've ever heard. Two men broke into my home one night. Immediately call the cops and exchange gun fire with the criminals while on the phone with the 911 operator. End up killing one and wounding the other who runs off. Even with the operator hearing the gunshots and me telling her I needed police and an ambulance, it took the ambulance 11 minutes to reach my house and the cops 13 minutes to reach my house. I live within the city limits of one of the top10 largest cities in America. I, my wife, and my two children would be dead if I didn't have a gun. So I hope you go fucking kill yourself you sorry piece of shit.

>>126996288
>Simple. The US is at an immediate disadvantage when they fight a conflict over seas in foreign land. When you have lived in an area for several years, even decades, and are extremely familiar with the geography, you can defeat any force no matter how formidable it is.
>This is exactly why the US military would be able to stomp the shit out of civilians who stage in uprising in the US.
>>Be Civilian living on your land for decades, and join the rebellion.
>>Suddenly, military attacks.
>>Jack and Steve who used to live in Oregon surely know the geography of Kansas better than I do!
>>Hey, is that my brother Arnold? Surely, I'm dead! He knows the geography better than I do!
>>Mfw Arnold refuses to kill his own friends and family for an uncaring government
Sage in the options field.

>>126994304
I've got news for ya, if you can't handle our opinions, or our will to have you fuck off and saged, then I'm afraid you're an idiot who can't accept the fact that some people will not agree with you. You're a leaf anyways, so please, do us all a favor, and delete it.

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it wasnt until 1934 that fully automatic weapons and "destructive devices" where restricted byt the national firearms act, by the use of a $200 tax stamp. Here in america we can own a fucking 90 mm howitzer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkVn1lzcK70&t=169s this guy could raise an army and invade your country and win. Guns are here to stay, your country did away with them before there where more guns then people. according to pew research, "Search Results
A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear. More than a third of Americans say they or someone in their household owns a gun. There are by various estimates anywhere from 270 million to 310 million guns in the United States — close to one firearm for every man, woman and child". Plus the majority of law enforcment and military would never enforce such a ban, and provisions exist in the U.S. constitution where towns, counties, and states can raise militias and institute a draft. The state of arizona could probably conquer most of europe and many third world countries. See why its so difficult to take away guns? plus we can have gun parts mailed to our house and we can make our own guns easily with an 80% ar15 lower

>>126993851
>No reason to have an armed populace because we have the army and national guard
Yeah no fuck off cunt. Just as stupid as your "But we have police" argument except you stepped it up a notch. Switching to a different government controlled force does not change the fact it is a stupid line of reasoning. Also if stopping an insurgency with tanks, jets and ships was that easy Vietnam would have lasted all of one week.

The second amendment stands. Get fucked commie.

>>126993851
Stale.

>>126993851
WOW WHAT AN ORIGINAL ARGUMENT, I GUESS I'LL JUST HAND OVER ALL MY GUNS TO THE GOVERNMENT NOW

>>126993851
hang yourself fuckface

>>126996589
Sure you do fag
>carry gun with no self defense rounds

>>126993851
Back me up Americans.

Our country is the only one in all of human history that recognizes its citizens to be perfectly free without limitation, and whose founding documents outline restraints on the STATE and not the people.

>>126995439
The US Military defection would be less than 5%. US soldiers are some of the most trained and loyal in the world. They are not like the Iraqi's/Syrian's who defect at the first sign of trouble. So you're wrong there. Russia and China would not back a revolution because intervening in a US Civil War would be suicide.

>>126996661
this, have a you.

>>126993851
Hey I watched the Jim Jefferies stand up as well

Sometimes I wonder if we're diverging into two separate species.
City born 'Hive Humans' that have no concept of life or the real world outside a nanny state.
Then you have the 'Free range/Feral Humans' that understand the law of nature always trumps man made law.

>>126996551
>He thinks cops protect civilians
No they maintain law and order.
If there was a law to shoot blacks they would shoot all the blacks unless their morals said otherwise.

>>126996551
You're still an idiot. Here is a scenario for you. Nigger breaks in. Nigger has a gun. Hold on nigger let me call the cops. Cops arrive. I am dead. Nigger is gone, and so is my tv. R.I.P. me. Cops can only do so much.

>>126993851
So you're saying that we do not need to be armed because we wouldn't stand a chance against the troops?

What is guerilla warfare? What was the Vietnam war? Why has it taken this long to defeat our middle eastern enemies?

Fuck you. You just spit in the face of every American.

Over half the fucking country has wet dreams of a guerilla war on our own turf. It would be a massive battle, long and drawn out. The people win. We will never surrender our freedom.

>>126996611
Your guys whole victory plan depends on most of the military defecting. This would not happen in any reality. US soldiers are some of the most loyal and well trained in the world. they would not easily defect.

>>126996495
I like it. She is a thicc compact but I can still conceal with little printing. I went for the Px4 because I wanted a larger double stack (15+1) with a manual safety and hammer. Call me paranoid but I got this thing pointing at my testicles and femoral artery. I don't mind flicking a safety off if it means I got a triple layer of protection from a ND. Twist barrel is a neat concept. I can feel it a little when it comes to recoil. Not really enough to sop my panties but it is a bonus.

>>126993851
Thank god for Clarence Thomas and Scalia or this fucking leaf would have his way.

>>126996972
>Defection rate of 5%
Where you get that number? Your semen encrusted ass? Spend some time on a US military base, guys there don't have high opinions of the powers that be in Washington.

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>>126995516
>any invading army would have to face insurgency from our rednecks and gangbangers

good luck with that shit

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Leaf is mad he gave all his rights to a satanic pedophile "royal german family".

>>126993851

>Leaf
>"Stronk argument"

Is this a YLYL thread now?

>>126993851
> America has the most powerful military in the world. There is no reason to have an armed populace when you have millions of trained soldiers ready to fight with the best equipment.

This can end very soon. When you have the left trying to weaken your military and take the citizens arms, you have a problem.

Also self-defense is a huge reason for the 2nd amendment. In its time, it was likely not written so people can defend themselves (nobody carries muskets) BUT it is very applicable today. There are millions of cases of self-defense via firearm each year, but you never hear about them.

The military is not going to be on my front lawn all day making sure niggers don't break in and steal my shit. It is my responsibility to protect myself. I'd rather have the entire country armed, even the lunatics, than nobody armed at all because the lunatics WILL get guns.

> Also, if the American government ever did step out of line, the general populace would never be able to overthrow it. The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15?

At this point, i'm not sure if this is bait. Oh well.

1) An AR-15 is not NEARLY the 'strongest' firearm you can get. It is a sporting rifle that can be configured. Ask any gun expert and I guarantee you that they will say an AR-15 is not the most dangerous.

2) The entire military will not fight against the civilians, a huge portion of them will be loyal to their families and friends who are not in the military.

>>126993851
Military servicemen are stationed offshores. If invaders come to invade the homeland, a plain old citizen can whip out a glock 18 and pop two bullets in Muhammad's skull while It would take tons of time waiting for cops or the military to arrive

>>126993851
Sorry dood, but you are incorrect, even with the most powerful military in WW II the Japanese even said they could never invade the main land of the US bevause there would be a gun behind every blade of grass, just like police officers the military can not stop all attacks, so we must stay armed fir the exact reason states in the Constitution...pretty easy to understand unless you're a libtard which you are...so fuck off, I'll keep my arms!

>>126997153
How about secure/fortify your home well enough to prevent someone from breaking in? Iron bars over your window and having a strong door would be good enough.

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haha

>>126997323
>Implying the only civilian gun owners are rednecks and gang bangers
wew

Roll for:

1. OP is a low iq nigger faggot.

2. OP is troll.

>>126997367
Are these the roof Koreans defending their store from uppity niggers?

>>126997501
>400 dollar burglary bars plus installation
Nice try leaf, I can buy a gun with that.

>>126993851
Fucking die, get resurrected, then immediately die again. Repeat for eternity.

>>126996551
But that doesn't happen, ask all those of mass violence ...stupid fuck.

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>>126993851
I would post an op is a faggot pic, but I need the pic space to show why op is a faggot.

>>126993851
>being this fucking stupid and short sighted

fuck guys I want to apologize for the many, many losers in this country....we will castrate/kill them when we fix the world

saged

>>126994139

that was some good shooting with irons. really cool to see the gas from the gun and then the exhale from the shooter.

also I was surprised it functioned so well, I've read of fire control groups freezing up in extreme cold.

>>126997180
Loyal to America, not a tyrannical government killing its own civilians. Why do lefties think people in the military are all faceless preprogrammed robots? They're normal Americans like everyone else, they're not going to mow down their neighbors just because Dark Lord Soros issues Order 66.

>>126997183
Are the mag release buttons ok? I think I would shell out another $50 for the low profile decocker, and that would probably put it closer to the price of what I could get a p2000 for.

>>126997222
check those trips bois

>>126994958
I think you've never been in the military so you don't know what you're talking about

>inb4 brother/friend/wifes son is in the military
I play cards with a doctor, doesn't mean you should take medical advice from me

>>126993851
>I would like to present a very strong argument.

you believe in and practice slavery

it's the only argument you can defend

>>126993851
Do you think all soldiers would blindly follow orders of a blatantly corrupt government? Doubtful, they along with armed citizens would likely commandeer equipment and fight back. Fucking leaf

>>126997808
Are you suggesting soldiers would stand there and let themselves be killed by people shooting at them? No they would shoot back regardless of what they are firing at. Dumbass.

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Some of my stash. Make you nervous OP???

>>126996866
I was going to the range that morning dick face.

>>126996972
>5%
You haven't the foggiest fucking idea what you're talking about.

>Russia and China would not back a revolution because intervening in a US Civil War would be suicide.
What is a proxy war? They would arm and train the revolutionaries (who already have a hardened NCO corps of veterans and defectors) in order to destabilize the US and get on good terms with the new government. Russia has stated explicitly in the past it would back Texas in a secession war.

>>126993851
>As most people know, the 2nd amendment was written in 1791

When was the rest of the Bill of Rights written?

>>126997501
Bitch I'm not making my home to imprison myself, as the invader belongs in a cage, not me!...I have the right to keep my door wide open, and hope somebody rushes in.

>>126997715
Just Ontariofags anon. You guys are still based neighbors outside of that pit of degeneracy.

t. Michigander

>>126993851
>Also, the populace could never come close to overthrowing the government because of the resources that the US gov't has access to.
you really think US soldiers are going to carpet bomb neighborhoods full of US citizens?

>>126997180
Theybswear an oath to the constitution. Not to the govt. IF this situation were to take place a large amount of unconstitutional fuckery would have to occur first. In that case(mil firing on civilians) the military would not follow the orders and if on a large enough scale would almost completely rebel against the commanders that issued the orders. I've taken that oath(LE not mil). I take it seriously. And most others that take it do as well.

>>126997981
You don't think there are soldiers that freeze up, and don't shoot back?

>>126998100
but anon I'm literally from Toronto..... :(, don't discount all of us...we will rise soon, Trudeau will be kicked out quick and when they try to take Trump I will hike to Washington and join you in the first theater of our revolution

>>126997846
It has a higher then average threshold for release. You can still easily one hand it but it takes a bit more of a thumb squeeze to drop a mag. Unlike the glock which is looser then a 50 year old street walkers asshole in Compton. It grips very sharply to your skin. Even if your thumb was covered in blood you would not slip off it. The concealed version they just released comes with the low profile decocker, night sights, new grip but is fucking $700.

>>126993851

>external threats
>keeping the gov't in check

The fault in your logic is considering all out. It's not as if a well trained, well armed, intelligent, determined person can't accomplish their aims, if they're willing to risk everything for it.

i.e. someone could kamakaze if they felt a need to, and kill trump/hillary/etc.

***DISCLAIMER***THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION TO COMMIT VIOLENCE, NOR THE INVITATION, AGGRAVATION, OR STATEMENT OF INTENT TO DO OR CAUSE SUCH***DISCLAIMER***

>>126998181
Not US soldiers, they are trained to return fire when fired upon.

>>126997981
The Americans wouldn't shoot them unless they're shooting them first or staying loyal

>>126993851
>I hate seeing very poor arguments posted by other leafs about why the 2nd amendment must be voided
Makes the exact same poor argument
KEK!

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>>126998012
>that chew toy

>>126998172
Most police officers I know would not enforce unconstitutional laws. Unfortunately, there are some dickhead ones that would love to volunteer for firearm confiscation duty

>>126998181
Stop giving him a strawman to attack please, he knows he doesn't have a fucking leg to stand on.

>>126993851
Fucking leaf, quit shaking, your Government is safe from us. You may continue in your ways as long as it doesn't effect us. It is with great sadness that I lived to witness the complete cucking of Canada. Who knew the day of the leaf would come from internal rot.

>>126995767
Sounds like y'all need to secure your border and enforce your import laws. Guns smuggled into Canada is Canadian crime and not the USA's problem.

For fucks sake man, it's like a burger calling for the banning of poutine in Canukistan because of someone here dying from cross border disco fries

>>126998278
Training is not the same as live time war...some have, and will continue to freeze, even with all the training in the world. You have no idea what you are talking about at this point, and are miserably grasping at straws.

>>126998359
Most police officers I know do what there told

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>>126993851
>a trillion replies to the oldest fucking b8

dear leaf, I can't give you credit for using guaranteed replies stale b8 bruh

>>126994834
>Killing is wrong

no, murder is wrong
killing can easily be justified

>>126998363
no strawman needed, any and all possibilities from civil war to a foreign invasion are legit legs to stand on.

>>126998441
Well I don't know about how pussy US soldiers are, but I am from a military family and Canadian soldiers would not and do not freeze up in battle.

>>126998226
>From Toronto
You have my sympathies. My family used to live in Pontiac until the niggers drove em out. Just be sure to have an escape plan once the nukes start dropping.

>There's no new arguments anymore
Kind of bores desu

>>126998359
In the academy we were encouraged to never enforce confiscation and told that 99% of active LEs would never do it.

>>126998012
What a collection! I wish California wasnt such a peice of shit.

>>126993851
> The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15?
Fucking ignorant leaf. Shit post.

>>126993851

>>Army will protect you, don't worry
>>Haha, fags, you don't stand a chance against your government, anyway

The chaotic liberal mind.

Gun deaths aren't a problem. Deaths are a problem (not really) and there are far more effective ways to curb them if that's your true intention (it isn't). Go look at the data for what most people die of in the US and then compare those numbers to total gun deaths and then kill yourself.

If you were honest, you'd consider how many lives are /saved/ by gun access.

>>126998789
>If you were honest, you'd consider how many lives are /saved/ by gun access.

Nice doublethink. Guns dont save lives, they only take lives.

>>126993851
Guns are the great equalizer. If you can pull a trigger you can exert your will upon others or, more importantly stop others from exerting their will upon you. Your head of state is a 90 year old German prostitute across the ocean so you probably don't understand.

>>126998556
Your comment is meaningless. Training is another world compared to actual war. Regardless of your smarmy comments. Some freeze up, regardless of age, ethnicity, or nation the soldier serves.

>>126998789
This. Also backup
http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

>>126998239
Cool, that sounds a little better than I expected and I could get around that with practice. I guess I'll just have to drive an hour to my closest rental range to try it.

desu, the meme locking mechanism is enough to sell me it.

>>126998034
>Russia has stated explicitly in the past it would back Texas in a secession war.
We wouldn't need their help. If Texas truly wanted to secede there isn't anything the American government could do to quell it short of nuking the entire state. It would be a non stop guerrilla war of attrition. Snipers, IEDs, supply train ambushes, you name it. It can not be governed without the consent of the people.

>>126998896
See>>126998928

>>126994304
I prefer hateful rhetoric to posting an old, flawed argument and calling it new and infallible.

>>126998909
I can't speak for other countries, but Canadian soldiers don't freeze up, this is due to their training. This is a simple fact.

>>126994262
This basicly
They had to shut down Boston looking for two idiots with pressure cookers
If just a few thousand people bugged out and started hitting soft targets the government would probably collapse within a few months

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>>126995285
>>126995384

>>126993851

We got niggers that is reason enough

>>126998556
>I have never served in the military, let alone fought in a proper battle but its totes cool because I jerk off to other peoples accomplishments
Nah. Get raked.

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>>126993851

Who would win in a knife fight? A man in a wheelchair or a nigger? What if they both had glocks? Either way, the nigger has access to guns while with gun control that other guy is stuck with a knife.

>>126998569
Every year it gets worse here, whenever I go up North and it's all white folks I feel so much happier and the people are much friendlier. We will have to reclaim Toronto as well at some point. I'm looking to buying land up North with a river/running water through it and putting a bunker in there with foods that don't expire and some ammo. I will survive and bring glory to our ancestors.

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>>126993851
This pasta has been posted word for word before. Still, if it a whooping yet a wanting.
To point #1. Having a citizenry familiar with arms and capable of using them effectively can only strengthen the nation's defense as a whole. Having the world's strongest military is good. Having the most heavily armed civil population in history is even better. There's no kill like overkill. Come at us, bro.
To point #2. The government has Red Team/Blue Teamed Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo. What they found scared them shitless. If things went full Second American Revolution it would trigger the breakup of the U.S.
td;lr: you, or whoever created this stale pasta, has no idea what your talking about. And far as the "epidemic of gun violence" in the U.S. pic related explains how that's stupid, too.

>>126999039
you aren't a trainined soldier, and you have never been on a battlefield...you would not know anything from that experience, so just cut the crap, will ya?

Also, you didn't argue against my other points above, such as an Interpol invasion and civil war as to why citizens have a better chance of survival, while armed. Your arguments hold no water.

>>126994834
Killing is not inherently wrong, it depends on who is being killed.

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>>126999291

>>126993851

as usual the most important reason is left out by the faggot leaf.

arms =/= guns, its anything you can arm yourself with and one of the main reasons that was often stated was to 'overthrow' the government, however an armed populace also means political power is spread out. without the means to actually fight the government then you inevitably end up like Britcucks, being tossed to and fro by the whims of their government. and since govt is very, very bad at protecting anything except itself, it will devolve into a police state as we see in almost every major European city.

Niggers and Mexicans and dumb Kuck Canadians just in case .

>>126993851
I like how your argument is literally the same one that always comes up.
The "most powerful military so militia isn't needed" is new, but dumb considering the intention was to keep the populace armed should the government become tyrannical, so if anything a strong military necessitates a better armed populace.
You try to counter this with the classic "hurr AR-15s can't beat drones and tanks and shit".
But air superiority wouldn't help much unless the US government was to carpet bomb their own people and infrastructure.
A rebellion would likely be a number of small cells using guerilla tactics to harass their enemy's patrols and make clandestine strikes on supply lines and key infrastructure while hiding among the local civilian populace.
What does that sound like? Vietnam? Afghanistan? How well did the US military fare in those situations?

>>126999409
>hur dur
>Our soldiers should run into battle with their fists

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>>126996972
>US soldiers are some of the most trained and loyal in the world.
He is right you guys. Thats why I can count on them keeping rank and file and shooting the american civilians they swore to protect,while while burning the constitution they swore to uphold.

>>126999409
Rollins was sexually assaulted, suffers from mental illnesses and depression and took/takes Ritalin...not a good example.

>>126993851
>The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15? Well that is not good enough to defeat a government with tanks, fighter jets, attack helicopters, battleships, aircraft carriers, elite soldiers and a nuclear arsenal with enough firepower to destroy our planet several times.

These vehicles are designed to level city blocks in enemy territory, not root out dissidents from urban settings. And don't forget that the ones driving those tanks, helicopters and fighter jets are people with families connected to many others. Who may not take kindly to orders telling them to incinerate a city block because some freedom fighter might be hiding nearby. What they need is a militarized police force to navigate and arrest. And when the average citizen is equivalently armed or better than their paramilitary death squad, you have a good system of checks and balances against tyranny.

As a leaf and commonwealth slave bootlicker to the monarchy, you will never understand why it is so important that access to arms cannot be infringed for all citizens.

>I just work here, was originally from Nevada, thanks for the free healthcare (employer-paid)

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>>126993851
>Well that is not good enough to defeat a government with tanks, fighter jets, attack helicopters, battleships, aircraft carriers, elite soldiers and a nuclear arsenal with enough firepower to destroy our planet several times.
Except all of those things are run by American citizens. Soldiers will not start firing on their owncommunities for le gubment, only a few (((swine))) will. Therefore a statist v. citizen is entirely winnable, but only when the citizenry is armed.

>>126993851
You're literally just wrong friend. The American populace can absolutely cripple the government in an armed conflict. The US military will defect in massive numbers on top of this. Many who remain in their posts would sabotage government action internally.

Beyond this, the overwhelmingly well armed American populace is a huge deterrent to invasion, and it had no cost in taxes. We do it for free.

The more guns the better.

>>126997606
Those are street Koreans, a genus related to roof Koreans, but just as deadly to chimping nignogs.

>>126993851
I whole-heartedly agree with you. I also believe other amendments should be updated to keep them relevant but people get all sentimental about a document written so long ago.

My only counter argument is: as soon as the criminals turn their guns in, I'll turn in mine.

Guns are everywhere in the US and it would be incredibly difficult to track them all down. The more laws passed the more outlaws run, and that's exactly what would happen if the 2nd amendment were removed.

Quite frankly, we're stuck in a shitty and a hard place and there isn't a practical way out.

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>>126997180
Your argument is built on the premise that the "military" is one entity, or that even the "government" is one entity. They're not. The U.S. has three branches, fuckwad. I'm not going to explain that, it's entry level shit.
The U.S. has several divisions of military, the army, marines, SEALs, navy, airforce, national guard, etc. all of which pledge loyalty to different parts of the government (for example the marines are bound to serve the president, where as the national guard are more like militias for individual states and the federal government).
You don't know wtf you're talking about and you don't know what branch of the military would defect to whom or who their loyalties would even originally lie with.
Not to mention if there was a civil war or revolution, that would cripple out economy. Who the fuck do you think is supplying the military you dumb fuck leaf?
Stop being a fucking loser and get a basic education before you start trying to over turn shit that was put in place to protect people because of some emotional response you have.

>>126993851
So Americans should just surrender and submit to a tyrannical government? You're all wet, Justin.

In war, the hardest nut to crack is the door-to-door fighting in a city. In the countryside, guerrilla tactics can occupy a much larger mechanized army indefinitely.

I am surprised the Left talks so much about muh tyranny is too stong when Democrats push for a stronger government that Republicans

>>126995767
>Which was probably smuggled into the US illegally via Mexico.

Look forward to the wall help from Canada to prevent this Leaf.

>>126999746
He also watched his friend jole cole get
murdered by a nigger shooting him.

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>>126999899
fucking downvoted holy shit.

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>>126995076
The desperate need of anti gun people is for the U.S. to disarm. Because while all the other nations of the world are pushing civil disarmament, the U.S. is actually increasing the number of armed civilians without any appreciable rise in crime. In fact, as gun ownership has gone up, crime in general has gone down. Hard to tell the proles that guns are too dangerous when those damned Americans aren't slaughtering each other in the streets with their guns. Except in places like Chicago. Which has European style gun control.

>>126993851
>be me
>civil war ensues
>Takes my guns, and hijacks a munitions truck or gas truck
>MassiveBomb.jpg
>Drives this to some important peace of infrastructure
>walks away
>Tommorow when the war came bleeds into reality
>Rinse/Repeat
>Civil war a victory for the rebels

>>127000068
So by that excuse, he want to strip guns from those that are law-abiding and could use/need that kind of protection, while allowing the dindu that murdered his friend open access to an underground black market where all criminals have access to unregistered weapons...genius.

As an Albertan leaf I apologize on behalf of faggot OP who probably lives in Toronto.

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>>126999899
What a fucking waste of those digits you faggot.
You bring shame to us burgers.

>>126994110
third post best post.

>mfw this is a "strong arguement" on /pol/
>mfw I have no face

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>>127000045
The left loves guns, they just want to be the only ones who have them.

Americucks get so triggered when someone brings up their guns. You almost make it too easy.

>>126999409
>Guns are tools of the weak.

>Went to elite private school
>From affluent DC neighborhood
>Never faced an iota of adversity in his life

Coastal liberal elitism at is finest. Must be nice to never need a firearm.

>>126994110
/thread
Really the only needed response to OPs idiocy.
This is the same shit everyone says, you even went and appealed to it being old. If the American populace revolted, today due to an evil government, you really believe that the military would just betray the constitution? You really think they'd slaughter millions of their own? Even if you believe that, you really think that killing millions of your own civilians would create any sort of lasting control?

The real answer is that your thoughts just fail outside of your tiny talking point because like most leftists you just assume that everyone is, at their core, just as evil and corrupt as you are.

>>127000809
Well his best friend was murdered a few feet away from him. Too bad Henry didn't have a gun

>>127000809

Not needing a gun to protect yourself is white privilege.

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>>126995802
All of those are pure sex, but I especially want the Carbine.

>>126993851
Fuck off leaf. You're not worth anyone's time if we have to explain this.

nigger.

>>126993851
Look up the definition of deterrent.
Its worked all this time, it will work a little bit longer.
Oh yhea, to add to what the other guy said.
Fuck You.

>>127000434
Not OP, but I live near Toronto. This place has really changed for the worst.

>>126993851
>America has the most powerful military in the world. There is no reason to have an armed populace when you have millions of trained soldiers ready to fight with the best equipment. Also, if the American government ever did step out of line, the general populace would never be able to overthrow it. The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15? Well that is not good enough to defeat a government with tanks, fighter jets, attack helicopters, battleships, aircraft carriers, elite soldiers and a nuclear arsenal with enough firepower to destroy our planet several times.

First of all, any tyrannical government would not just straight up nuke their own people, because then there would be nothing left to rule over. So while they would still be violent and authoritarian towards their citizenry, invoking their ability to bomb indiscriminately seems like a bit of a red herring.

Now, the US military has 1.4 million serving in it. Counting only the veterans among the citizenry, there are 22.6 million, vastly outnumbering the military. And before you scoff, keep in mind that the US lost a war against a bunch of Vietnamese peasants.

Honestly, if anything, I would argue against the need for the 2nd Amendment from the other side. Even if the government banned guns, we could still beat them in a fight and make guns even if it was illegal (especially with modern technology like 3d printers).

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>muh government will save me
Faggot ass leaf.

>>126993851
Literally fucking kill yourself. You dont even live in this country, mind your business moosefaggot

>>126993851
Expecting an essay, OP provides "the amendments for dummies"

>>126996288
>When you have lived in an area for several years, even decades, and are extremely familiar with the geography, you can defeat any force no matter how formidable it is.
The U.S. is huge. General Disarray from Boston, Massachusetts is not going to be familiar with the terrain and locals in Bumfuck Nowhere, Colorado.

On the day of the rake, I will hand OP over to the leaf collection squads.

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>>126993851
Most people don't think we have guns.
Pic is the gun shop in my town.

>>126993851
There's only one argument when it comes to the second amendment leaf.

Name a single country in human history that didn't end up going to war with it's own people.

FUCKING ONE.

That's what I thought.

>>126996551
No. The Supreme Court has ruled the police have no individual duty to protect you. Their job is law enforcement. To apprehend and punish the guilty. Your safety is your responsibility.

>>127001945
Canada

>>127001945
Switzerland. I don't agree with him ,but...

>>126995041
Pretty sure citizens were allowed to own Jet fighters up until around the Korean War, sad!

>>127002023
You fool, you're forgetting the multiple rebellions in canada during the 1800s

>>127002085
And even they had a revolution in the 1800's

>>126994110
This. Foreigners waltzing in telling us what to do, fuck off.

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kek

>>126996972
Internal studies by the Defense Department disagree with your assessment.

>>126993851
This argument is not even new. I saw this argument brought up like 10 years ago. God.

>>126996288
>The government knows the land better than Billy Bob n co. in Appalachia/Rockies and Jamal and Miguel in the cities

>>126995728
what year is that top gun?

>>126997180
The actual Red/Blue Teamed Civil War assessment has been posted. It concluded that as much as 50% of the military and Alphabet agencies would defect in the case of a totalitarian regime sizing control. They've run the numbers and know more than you do.

>>126993851

Why are my countrymen such terrible posters?

>>126993851
>As most people know, the 2nd amendment was written in 1791. 226 years ago. It had two intended purposes. #1 With an armed populace, people would be ready to fight should America be threatened by a foreign power. #2 Should the American government ever step out of line, the people would be able to take it down. Okay so now that we understand why the 2nd amendment was written, I am going to explain why it is no longer relevant in 2017.

[Current year]. The argument

>>127003078
That is nothing but a theory, in a real life scenario that would not happen. Trust me I am very educated on this concept.

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In my country it is illegal to carry arms for personal defense. This means that in the face of an attacker wielding a knife, the leaders of my country believe being knifed to death is morally superior than pulling a gun out and firing.

I am ashamed of my backwards, uncivilized country.

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>>126997222
Checked.

>>126993851
Honest argument: They already live in a tyranny and they don't do shit.

>>127003202
Can you show me the evidence that contradict the DOD's findings?

>>126997367
News freaked the fuck out about based Roof Koreans. Dindus in full chimpout was no problem, but some Koreans with guns was terrifying.

>>126997180
You've never actually met an American soldier. They're very disproportionally the type of guy who'd sooner defend Waco rather than invade it.

There are no arguments against the second amendment.

Now, since you don't have any guns, get in the oven.

>>126993851

cold dead hands motherfucker

>>126994834

>killing is wrong

Stop eating then faggot. Plants and animals are alive.

>>126993851
If a bunch of gooks can beat us then it's 2ez you leaf

We don't have an military with millions WTF are you on about.

300 million guns. 100 million gun owners. Less than 800,000 in the military. Those are impossible odds for the military to win, even with tanks and drones.

Moron.

>>126993851
FU POS

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Arguments for or against gun control are literally irrelevant. This is a 3d printed sub machine gun with a hand rifled aluminium tube inserted for the Barrel.

Gun control is objectively obsolete.

>>127003547

lol

>>126993851
Reminder that Canacuckistan is a country where you aren't required to get a photo ID gun license if you are a mudslime
https://youtu.be/ayb16li_-v0

>>126995041

we can still own jets and tanks bro, its only the weapons on them which are regulated but all you have to do is pay the $200 tax and its yours

>>126993851
> My argument against firearms being legal
> 1. CURRENT YEAR
> 2. America has a military and doesn't need* private ownership of firearms
> 3. America has a super powerful government, therefore no one will be able to overthrow it if it became tyrannical

Every single anti-2A argument ignores a glaring fact: American citizens currently enjoy the right to private ownership of firearms and have enjoyed it for over 225 years.

Any argument against private firearms ownership is inherently an argument to strip citizens of an existing Constitutional right and deprive them of the single category of property that can be wielded to defend by force the very right of ownership and possession of that property.

> The First Amendment must be voided. It served various intended purposes back in 1791: to allow for the creation of an independent press free of government censorship, to prevent religious conflict or persecution, to allow for petitioning the government.

> #1 America has the most powerful media in the entire world! You don't need to create a press to inform you - it exists and can do a much better job than some amateur ever could!

> #2 If anything, the government should have more power to restrict religious organizations to prevent intolerance against Muslims or LGBTQ++ - government control prevents persecution, not the other way around!

> #3 - Online petition sites work better than any protest - we have things called websites now, that they did not have in 1791. Hello, current year??

Fuck off and die, leaf. Two things will happen if they ever had the political leverage to ban private firearms ownership: first, half of the legally owned guns would be buried/cached somewhere with ammo, second, the other half would be used to equip a guerrilla army that would begin assassinating any leader enforcing the firearms ban or physically resisting confiscation.

>>126993851

"I am going to explain why it is no longer relevant in 2017"

PASS

A

FUCKING

AMENDMENT

NOW

FUCK

OFF

Also, that 17yr old Swedish Girl who used an illegal can of pepper spray AND IS NOW BEING CHARGED WITH A CRIME IS A PERFECT COUNTER ARGUMENT.

>>126993851
you really think the US military (although you are right it is the strongest military in the world but still) would be able to effectively control the hundreds of millions of people and hundreds of millions of guns across this country in the event of an uprising?

>>126993851
>if the American government ever did step out of line, the general populace would never be able to overthrow it.
You're obviously retarded and know nothing about the laws in the United States.
The army doesn't answer to the government you fucking leaf.

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>>126993851
>There is no reason to have an armed populace when you have millions of trained soldiers

Oy vey goyim! Trust us! The government is here to keep you safe! Turn in your guns!

>if the American government ever did step out of line, the general populace would never be able to overthrow it

Don't even try to keep the government in check! Just disarm yourselves and make it even easier for them to enslave you!

>Muh the American military will attack it's own citizens meme


These are the same shitty arguments leftist always try to use as excuses to disarm people. Kill yourself you retarded leaf.

>this thread
>Canadian OP
>ok continually shitposting

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>>126993851
No?! YOU SAY 'NO' TO MY AR-15, YOU FUCKIN' PRICK! YOU AIN'T GONNA ABLE TO SAY 'NO' TO ME WHEN I GET TO YOUR HOUSE, YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!

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>>126993851
>One man caused the 3rd largest police department in the U.S. to flip the fuck out and shoot at everyone out of paranoia.
Imagine 10,000 Dorners. They would be uncornerable.

>>126994834
“If the thief is caught while breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there will be no bloodguiltiness on his account. But if the sun has risen on him, there will be bloodguiltiness on his account. He shall surely make restitution; if he owns nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft” (Ex. 22:2-3).

>>126993851
drink bleach cuck

>>126995239
Your government should take all your guns away then. That way not even the smugglers will have guns.

>>127004224
Millions of americans would rather die than remove the 2nd amendment

>>126993851
>We don't need guns because we have a military and that we wouldn't be able to overthrow the government anyway

Alright, so much for your "very strong" argument.

1. You act as if these are the only times people would need a firearm. They are also for self defense and deterring crime. A terrorist is also much less likely to attack a gun convention than a helpless crowded "gun free zone" safe space filled with terrified and untrained people.

2. A government that has an armed populace is a hell of a lot more less likely to try and mess with a heavily armed populace than it would with a completely weak and suppressed one, you're an idiot for thinking that they'd just bomb the shit out of the infrastructure and economy- that government would have been overthrown before it even happened. In the event of a nation attacking the US, having civilians with hunting rifles everywhere is a hell of a lot more dangerous than you think. We would just be highly trained guerrilla warfare combatants and make occupying areas extremely difficult.

OP, I think your inner communist is showing.

>>127004743
CANNOT CORNER

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>>127004427
You are why I still love canada despite the emount of faggotry there.

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>>126993851
>"I'd like to present a very strong argument"
>exact same basic-bitch arguments heard and corrected a gorillion fucking times

always a leaf.

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I have the right to defend myself.i hunt animals with a bow.fuck you and this hippie shit

>>127004863
Ever see that one Canadian posting the blond laughing girl image? For about a year?

Pretty sure he's been on /pol/ all day long doing nothing but shitpost since the nominations.

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>>126994110
> 14 year old woman

Muslim spotted.

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>>126999409
post what he really said goy...

>>126993851
God damn, I hate people like you so much.
Every person has a right to protect themselves.
The vast majority of crimes are committed by people who aren't lawful citizens, so all you're really doing is giving criminals an easier time to fuck shit up and giving more power to the police. Gun control only ever affects law abiding citizens because criminals don't give a fuck... because they're criminals. Studies have shown that criminals are far less likely to rob a store or home if they knew the owner was packing. Disarming the majority of people so you can give more power to the minority of shit starters is exactly the type of liberal logic you should be hung for.

>>126995802
Goddammit, if I become any more erect, I will have to see a physician.

>>126993851
>Also, if the American government ever did step out of line, the general populace would never be able to overthrow it.

Yeah, well, sport, we had a hell of a fucking time policing Iraqis - and that was an area smaller than Texas with about the same population. Occupation by force of an armed population is nearly impossible and never sustainable.

Also, you are a fucking leaf, shut your whore mouth about our laws.

>>126993851
yeah no, we would win so fast your head would spin.

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>>126993851
How could we ever stand up to our government when it steps out of line?

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>>126997981
Are you fucking retarded? It's not simple like you fucking leafs. I guess you think some dude hears about it on the radio and goes out and shoots every dude in a military outfit huh? The soldiers would defect and therefore not have rebels shooting at them.

>>126995802
The fact that the thread didn't end here pretty much proves how fucked /pol/ has become since the election.

Our sea of piss is now a sea of shit.

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>>126993851
>There is no reason to have an armed populace
>Should the American government ever step out of line, the people would be able to take it down

>>126994834
>Killing is wrong, it does not matter what the circumstances are

How can you be this childish and naive?

Do you really not see the need to kill in self defense? It just shows how sheltered you are, in that you've never really had your existence threatened. And the only reason you can be this sheltered is because there are people out there who are willing to kill.

And even if you ignore the need to kill for defense, what about the need to kill to eat? Are you vegetarian? And do you believe that a vegetarian lifestyle could support all the people on the planet? Should they starve? Would you starve to avoid killing?

This is a child's argument produced by someone that does not understand the first thing about the world.

I don't even think you're a shill, because they wouldn't use an argument that makes them look so ridiculous.

Go back to fourth grade with this bullshit.

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>>127005615
How could we possibly do it?

>>126993851
>America has the most powerful military in the world. There is no reason to have an armed populace when you have millions of trained soldiers ready to fight with the best equipment.
Japan did not attempt an invasion of the USA in WWII because they knew everybody was armed at the time.

>>126993851
your fucking stupid and gay

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>>126993851
> Fucking leaf trying to tell us how to run our country.

/Laughing /

>>126993851
The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15? Well that is not good enough to defeat a government with tanks, fighter jets, attack helicopters, battleships, aircraft carriers, elite soldiers and a nuclear arsenal with enough firepower to destroy our planet several times.

What the fuck was Vietnam.

>>127005755
Not really part of this conversation but the world population could easily be fed on a pure vegetarian diet.Easy

>>126993851
Reason 3: self-defense

Imagine you're a 5'2 woman and 6'2 200lb man tries to rape you. You have almost no chance of winning in a physical confrontation, but if you have a gun, you can easily defend yourself with a small amount of training.

It amazes me how many women are pro-gun control when they are the ones most in need of weaponry.

>>126993851
No country could ever win a war against their entire armed population with 10s of millions of people ready to mobilize in each state. This is why every mass murdering in tyrant in history disarmed the people before killing millions even when the people had guns far inferior to what we have today. On top of that if the government did go full-tyranny the majority of the military would be on the side of the people.

>>126993851
Well US couldn't beat vietnam, rag tag bandits in Afghanistan, Columbian drug lords,toothless Iraqis, or even 4 foot 11 malnourished North Koreans with all that stuff. All those guys had where shitty guns. So they'd probably lose to their own populace with a bunch of shitty guns too.

>>126993851

that's not a "very strong argument." it's a tired old argument. I'm so loathe to waste my time writing out a response. But here goes..

First, the military will not be the body to enforce a textualist interpretation of the constitution. Militaries enforce the will of the government (even abusive ones). It is false that the military can be relied on to perform the function of a citizen militia.

Then, let me address the tired old argument that the people could never overthrow the government with small arms while the military was intact:

1) If people with small arms can't stand up to a powerful, modern military, then how did a bunch of rice farmers and goat herders with small arms pull it off in Vietnam and Afghanistan?

2) Govenments fighting their own people don't have the luxury of knocking out the country's power, communication and infrastructure... since they rely on all those same things as well. You can start the Iraq war with "shock and awe..." but not this one.

3) The soldiers are going into towns like the one they grew up in, and speaking to their OWN people, in their OWN language. How long do you think a bloody offensive would last?

4) Governments are SO vulnerable to a popular uprising that 90% of the time, the people don't even have to fire a single shot. Witness the ENTIRE Arab spring, and the Maidan revolution in the Ukraine. Most of the time, all it takes is for the people to all pour out into tje streets and shut everything down.

So get the fuck out with your shot argument, and fuck yourself for making me type this.

>>126994304
>spew hateful rhetoric
There is literally no rhetoric more hateful to a true American than to imply that his rights should be infringed upon you damn leaf.

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>>126999409
>be me
>2'9 retard
>own gun
>shoot bullet at Henry
>he uses his brain to stop bullet in mid air
>such strength
>shoots it back at me
>mfw

>>126994110
I saw OPs post last night, its pasta

>>126994834
>Both Human and animal life should be respected
if everyone did respect life then yeah we wouldn't need to kill. But there are plenty of people who will disrespect it and try to take it. Is their life still respectable when they're trying to take yours or someone you care about? Would you let them kill you because you respect life no matter what?

I will respect your right to live as long as you respect mine. You are not entitled to respect. Respect is earned.