Early Muslim conquests

Because if your enemies are literal niggers or bedouins whose highlight of the day is drinking camel piss, of course you will conquer a lot of them.

Persia weak because of wars + high morale + visigoths in spain were a bunch of weak cucks + almost everything was fucking sand

>>126929834
estonia bringing the bants

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Early Muslims were alpha and strong as fuck

>>126929566

We weren't there yet to save europe.

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>>126929834
>Romans and Iranians were bedouins
Why are whites even allowed to talk about history?
I mean WHY?
You don't even know anything about history. You only know 10% of a subject yet you sound like you're a historian

Your race really makes me want to cut off every whites' tongues and hands.

>>126929873
>almost everything was fucking sand
Indeed.
>Historians estimate the Umayyad Caliphate had a population of around 62 million people, which was nearly 30% of the world's population at the time
now shut your whore mouth.

>>126929834
Estonian education lmao. They conquered land that had Roman for centuries

>>126929834
This is wrong. The sasaanid empire and byzantine empire exhausted their military capability fighting each other. They underestimated the Arab threat because prior to Islam they were independent pagan tribes. Then all of sudden an army of united angry Arabs invaded.

>>126930163
You do understand that Turks are white, don't you? You're just following a false prophet that's all...

>>126930650
fuck off

>>126929566
well it is mostly desert and empty space

>>126929566
They only conquered the apostate heretical parts of Christendom.

A lesson in history that'll be repeated if Europe persists on following the false idols of liberalism & protestantism.

>>126929566
Seems easy to grab up territory no one wants. Nothing of value was lost.

>>126930840
>well it is mostly desert and empty space


>Historians estimate the Umayyad Caliphate had a population of around 62 million people, which was nearly 30% of the world's population at the time


>rapebaby education
just kill yourself.

>>126930882
true spain is a mixed bag nowdays

>>126930882
>territory no one wants. Nothing of value was lost

Lmao tell that to the Romans and Persians

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>>126930486
that's interesting, how much did that Umayyad Caliphate contribute to general progress with inventions and science?

spoiler: they were all spanish/egyptians

>>126930944
a population of around 62 million people conquers desert BRAVO

good kebab :P

>>126930882
>Seems easy to grab up territory no one wants
Yes. Egypt, Levantine, Northern Africa, Eastern Anatolia were totally irrelevant.
>>126931133
In Islam, there's no race. Only ummah and infidels.
Are you part of Ummah? yes? then your skin color does not matter.
>>126931194
>illiterate slav
I hate my Ottoman ancestors for not genociding balkanites.

>>126930944
>>126931275
why are you so upset?

>>126931275
>LOL we stoped you guys :)

>>126929566
Wasn't a part of their great success the brilliant tactical mind of Salahaddin(I think his name was)? He is always shown as not just a brilliant commander but also a merciful winner, he implemented some policies that cut down rape of the women and children by quite a lot and he refrained from killing old men and boys. Obviously with any occupational force you'll have missteps but on the whole he is shown in a very positive light by not just muslim scholars and writers of the time but also western scholars and writers. Most historians agree that he was a man with a genius level intelect and he was a merciful ruler.

>>126931443
Because i'm from Black Sea.
I honestly would attack every one of you (except for that swede itt) with an axe and kill you for being retarded.
As a guy who's interested in history, you just trigger me.

>>126931275
>Yes. Egypt, Levantine, Northern Africa, Eastern Anatolia were totally irrelevant.
All those placed sucked then and they still do. Probably paradise for a roach though.

>>126931498
Saladin was born centuries after the early Muslim conquests

>>126929873
No, you see, Rodrigo got C U C K E D when escaping on his own. That's how everyone got cucked.

>>126931275
Oh you tried to genocide the balkanites, remember? You just failed miserably that's all ;)

>>126929566
Romo-Persian war basically depleted the region and it was already relatively weak from the decades of plague.

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>>126931653
My paradise is where your kind dies.

>>126931275
Well, maybe it does matter when 90% of the inventions made by "islamic empires" come from spaniards, hellenized egyptians and iranians. Basically non-arabs, and non-moors.

>>126929566
Its evolution of ideas. The more violent and intolerant it is of other ideas the faster and wider it spreads.

>>126931275
Turkey give back Constantinopole and take Bosnia with you

>>126931912
Do you train yourself everyday to be this retarded?
My chair has more brain cells than you
>>126931769
>>126931967
fuck off

>>126931739
that's also true. Jeez, visigoths sucked. Pelayo is okey though

>>126929566
This pretty much explains it all
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

>>126930882
>Nothing of value was lost.
>Fall of Egypt destroyed Eastern Rome's economy
>fall of Maghreb leads to trans-Mediterranean slave raids and piracy, driving the fragmented West into the dark ages
Sure, totally nothing

>>126931275
>yes? then your skin color does not matter.
Nah, it does. Think of arabs vs nigger muslims.

>>126930650
>Turks are white
lol

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>>126929566

And all in the span of some 20 years.

Why? Because (East) Romans and Sassanids are cucks. Also, most of North Africa and the arabian peninsula are devoid of life, except tribespeople so if you conquer them, you conquer all.

>>126932021
I don't know man, what's better? Great Mosque of Djenné or the Alhambra? And guess what, spaniards built the latter.
Or do you prefer Hagia Sophia, peak of muslim architecture?

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>>126932021
this is a people board, fuck off to mongolia where roach-kin belong

or blow yourself up, I hear that's a popular sport these days

>>126932385
>this is a people board
why are whites here then?

>>126932296
>Also, most of North Africa and the arabian peninsula are devoid of life
North Africa was pretty fertile until muslims drove off all the farmers and used the land for grazing, causing desertification and population collapse

>>126932429
>triggered

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>>126932429
You when triggerd

>>126932429
WHITES BTFO

>>126930163

>Battle of Ajnadyn
>Strength 10,000 to 20,000
>losses: 50,000

and this t*rk wants to label others, dumb???? LOLOLOL what a basement dwelling turd sniffer.

>>126932296
>(East) Romans and Sassanids are cucks
This, plus after take over fertile crescent they got good base to expand from, and probably a lot more of manpower.

>>126932429
that's the best you can do? australian children have more wit than you by age 5

shoo subhuman

>>126932646
>modern estimates: Unknown

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>>126929566
Submission and conversion.
But Santiago y Cierra!

>>126929566

Most was desert.

>>126931731
Oh.... Then what was his role? Was it more of a reclaiming of Jerusalem kind of thing?

>>126932813
>Historians estimate the Umayyad Caliphate had a population of around 62 million people, which was nearly 30% of the world's population at the time
>LELELEleLELELELELEL DESERT XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>126929566
Islam allowed the once warring tribes of Arabia to unite into one powerfull nation.

>>126932826
He took over the empire of the former Zangid Turk dynasty, and ended up defending against Crusader incursion in the Levant. He ended up making a deal wherein the Christians were granted pilgrimage rights to J-town

Quite clear seeing posts ITT and history, the clash of civilizations if real af and would continue to go on. The Muslims would always side with each other desu.

>>126932861
estimates...
people once estimated turks are human

>>126930486

And how many were christian and pagan/zoroastrian boy?

>>126932813
Mostly in Arabia, which wasn't really conquered

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>>126932021
Not an argument

>>126932021
>be byzantine emperor
>some varangian guard is all nice and stuff and invites me to try his traditional "food"
>its actually rotten fish
>"yeah buddy Ill try it later Im a full rigth now"
>drop it into the sewers as soon as I can
>reports of some kind of insect pest originating from some rotten waste at the next day
>yeah wathever ill send some syrian slaves down there to clean if I rememberlater
>two weeks later there are alredy thousands of this six legged insects that some scholars call "t*rks"
>they start taking all of anatolia depleting and contaminating all of the food reserves they find
>900 years later this insects have evolved enough to shitpost in a french croissant making forum

fucking byzantium

>>126929566
They were basically horse niggers using top of the line skirmish tactics that the Byzantines and Persians failed utterly at countering. After they conquered the Byzantines and Persians, the rest was out for the taking. North Africa into Iberia and elsewhere was a cakewalk after they defeated the major powers containing them.

Although, they never should have conquered the visogoths and taken Iberia. King Roderick (I think that was his name) was having trouble with nobels in his realm and when he went to fight the Muslim invasion, the nobles who were supposed to fight beside him abandoned him and basically betrayed him to be cut down in battle. If those stupid faggots stood by their king, Spain would be white today.

>>126933098

Lands like iberia became a wasteland like in WW1 "no man land" just to be repopulated after they were kicked out, i supose it was the same everywhere people didnt pay jyzia.

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>"The Alhambra is the peak of muslim civilization, fully ornamented and carefully made"
>its builders were
>Abu al-Ahmar "the red", because he was aredhead, probably because of mixture with aragonese people for 300 years
>Yusuf I, Sultan of Granada "A detailed portrait of Yusuf indicates that "he was white-skinned, naturally strong, had a fine figure and an even finer character. His teeth sparkled, he had large eyes and dark straight hair, a thick beard, a handsome face and a clear voice that was a pleasure to hear. His figure and beauty made him stand out among other people. God endowed him with an extraordinary intelligence, good judgment and sound opinions". Descendant of Abu Al-Ahmar.
>Muhammed V, son of Yusuf and a basque slave

>>126933098
They accelerated desertification in North Africa. The Maghreb was literally a major grain exporter in Roman times, but the muslims killed farmers and turned farms into pasture, and we all know about goat and sheep grazing habits and what they do to land

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>>126932861
>this mad

>>126929566
Just post this on /his/. You'll get nothing here, most /pol/acks don't know shit about history and are the equivalent of we wuz niggers claiming every big empire was white

>>126933401
Oh and the Persians made a terrible mistake in underestimating the Muslims which is a big reason why they lost. After the Persians fell, the Muslims then had enoug strength to go after the Byzantines who got rekt by Muslim skirimisb cavalry tactics.

>>126933401
>If those stupid faggots stood by their king, Spain would be white today.
Stop making this memetic mistake about Spanish sand-negritude. They, especially in the South, were sand niggers before the muslims ever arrived. Chalk it up to Neolithic farmer genes

>>126933518
Source?

>>126932861
Historians estimate no one has ever been so assblasted as this roach

>>126933590
/his/ is weak sauce

Eastern Romans were exhausted from decades of war with the Iranians. Sassanids were in the midst of a political transition after Heraklios had instigated the overthrow of Khosrau II and replaced him with Kavadh II, who was himself assassinated, leading to a rapid succession of emperors and disorder within Iran.

The Romans had failed to fortify their Southwestern border. Had they done so, rather than relying on the Ghassanid tribes (who were very effective for over a century, I have to admit) alone, perhaps things would have been different.
The Euphrates frontier was crazily well-fortified, there are many, many forts all along the Eastern border of the empire, such that it took Khosrau, one of the greatest military leaders of the Sassanids, eight years of fighting to break through into Syria.

Add to this the fact that the Romans were complacent due to defeating the Muslims the first time they engaged them in battle. They didn't understand what they were facing - no contemporary Roman source seems to mention the Muslim incursions until they were in full swing, long after 631.

Egypt fell easily because of the persecution of Miaphysites, which itself was a consequence of the failure to unite the church under Justinian, as well as the general mistreatment that native Egyptians suffered under the Romans.
Hefty volumes have been written on the theological aspect alone.

>>126929972

I won't tell the lads that you post on /pol/ if you don't tell them I do. :^)

>>126929566
Their religion endorses murder, rape, and oathbreaking. Most civilized peoples balk at those and were taken off-guard by a ravening horde of Arab orcs.

>>126933939
hm?

>>126933998
During the early muslim conquest your ancestors were uncivilised too

>>126933873
New Penguin Atlas of Medieval History, among others

check out what happened to North Africa's population numbers when Islam came

>>126933518
but muh millets.

converting pagans is easy, if there are several gods and no one true dogma, then it is a vacuum ready to be filled. same shit happened across Europe.

besides, conversion of beliefe only takes one generation anyways

>>126933539

It´s a turk, they always get triggered and its always hillarious.

>Most honored captain Pasha. I have seen the words in your letter, and that of the captain which you have imprisoned through lie and betrayal of your word, signed under your name; which you have done because you are no man, for you have no balls, you are like a lying woman and a fool. How do you intend to pact with me, if you committed betrayal and falsity right before my eyes? For I take you in no account, for you are a traitor like a Jew. When I saw your armada, I feared you could do me harm; but now I am assured, for like a Jew you lie, so did those who took Rhodes and Belgrade, because they were scared of battle; and if at Rhodes were the knights that are in this pen, it would not have been taken. Be assured that here are Portuguese accustomed to killing many moors, and they have as captain António da Silveira, who has a pair of balls stronger than the cannonballs of your basilisks, that there's no reason to fear someone who has no balls, no honor and lies like a Jew. The pen before you has such cattle that already you are scared and arranging a pact to betray; such pact, should I accept it, these knights would throw me at sea, and defend it themselves.
—Captain António da Silveira

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Diu

>>126931058
Says the guy who thinks that roaches are white

>>126934273
holy kek portugal I love you brother

>>126930860
The correct answer.

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>>126929566
French > Entire Cuckslim Cuckliphate

>>126934225
Found nothing relevant

>>126934246
Not exactly, I rememberer reading that here rural population would worship pagan gods, side by side Christianity well into 17 century. Priests did not give a fuck about their job I guess.

>>126931275
>In Islam, there's no race. Only ummah and infidels.
The commies do the same thing to lay claim to all progressions and innovations. How interesting.

>>126934445

Love u to bro, the world ends in the pirineus montains.

>>126931631
Your ancestors would be disgusted with you for degenerating into a filthy Mongoloid mudman instead of a proper Greek

>>126929566

The Byzantine Empire and the Persians were weakened from fighting each other and Jews opened the gates to many cities.

>>126935397
WE WUZ HITTITEZ
>>126935252
Christianity is also same.

>>126931631
>interested in history
>supports history abolitionist
lel

>>126935065
the same thing is true in the Muslim world.

but what matters is the big picture, as long as it don't threaten cohesion and stability some probably didn't give a flying fuck while others did

>>126934273

Turks are so shit at war it amazes me.
It took them two hundred and fifty years to take Constantinople even after it had been sacked and the Eastern empire dismembered.

I don't think they ever actually won a battle, by fighting, without superior numbers. One of their 'greatest victories' was tricking drunken Slavs into drowning in a river or some shit.

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>>126929972
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
>mussulmans btfo

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>>126935816
>I don't think they ever actually won a battle, by fighting, without superior numbers

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>>126931827
You're still on our superior Western forum?

What's wrong Turkroach, not enough trash to infest on your own forums?

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>>126929972

>Alpha as fuck

>The most inbred humanoids to ever walk the Earth

Pick one.

>>126931653
>All those placed sucked then and they still do
it was 30% of world population at the time dumbass

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>I don't think they ever actually won a battle, by fighting, without superior numbers

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>>126936160
already better than the Chinese army

>>126935944
> One of their 'greatest victories' was tricking drunken Slavs into drowning in a river or some shit.

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>>126936421
Our greatest victory was this

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2 years ago I was browsing some kind of redpilled WIki-islam website when I came across an essay written by a French historian who had lived in North Africa about 100 years ago.

His essay was a brief-ish history of Islam, from the day Mohammed was born the 20th century. I learnt a lot from that essay, about how Islam was only ever successful when it was raiding and pillaging from nearby non-Muslim settlements. He wrote about all the early Caliphs too.

Try as I might, I can not find this essay anywhere online. I can't remember the author's name and my Googling isn't doing it. Can anyone help me find it again?

>>126935614
>Christianity is also same.
>Christianity and its hundreds of sects, also considers everyone the same
Someone doesn't know very much about Christianity, it seems.

>>126929566
Coincided with the end of the centuries-long Persian - Roman conflict, which left both powers exhausted and unable to respond to the threat.

>>126936493
That victory rellied on the turkish mercenaries betraying the romans. Very appropriate.

>>126936493
>1071
>vs Byzantine
>in 1071
Not something to be very proud of. They were on their way out for a very long time.

>>126929566
Islam is chinese invention to fuck up their competitors. They had chinese support.

>>126935614
What happened to your Asian features then?

>>126930621

this.

The muzzies strike when both sides were weak, and they're employing this tactic now

>>126936966
they're still here when i look in the mirror

>>126935944

>The war was something from a different era, as the agrarian Ottoman Empire faced two industrialized forces, at silent predawn attacks in which officers with drawn swords vent ahead of troops and only the troops to shout their battlecry of "Allahu Akbar!" when they reached the enemy’s trenches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Ottoman_Empire_during_World_War_I#War_with_Britain

>>126936728
Not to mention the high taxes the romans levied, and the discrimination towards heretics. The teritories taken by the muslims were mostly heretical, so that's why they faced little resistance.

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>>126931653
>birthplace of civilization, richest lands full of untold fortunes which Roman emperors envied, undisturbed by barbaric alemanns,scientific haven (especially around iraq) were not important
american education is a literal meme

>>126937131
Yes. North Africa was filled with Arians at the time, was it not?

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>>126931631
Enjoy your history, cucaracha!

>>126933998
>Murder
Thats what happens in war
>rape
Thats what happens to women during and after war
>oathbreaking
"All warfare is based upon deception"

>>126933939
and India?

>>126937270
Not just north africa, I belive those guys were never really religious, not even under Islam, but even Egypt and Syria had some sort of heresy at the time.

>>126929566
Beause it was all ripe for taking, weak, unorganized states and dying empires were just waiting for someone to take them on

>>126937044
How do you feel about getting owned by a bunch of camel jockeys?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Talas

Looking in the mirror sounds appropriate.

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>>126937399
Grozny

Because they were fast and brutal. Beheaded the men and impregnated the women, spared the weak and forced them to convert.
They used same tactics like ISIS today, being as brutal as possible so that your enemies flee instead of fight.

Turks would be white if they weren't ar*b rape babies

>>126935944

I grant you that one. Didn't win you the war, though.

>>126936493

Still took you four hundred years and constant reversals to get anywhere.
Its a shame that John II was assassinated, you would be speaking a pleasant language like Greek, rather than the ouglou bouglou seher feher mongspeak you are burdened with.

>>126937270
How were arians heretics? Because constantine the pagan said so?

>>126937683
Turks were largely pagan till early 1000s
Ibn Fadlan write about Oghuzes. Google it.
>>126937850
Why would "I" speak Greek? also Greek language sounds very queer.

>>126937454
The only part of India to fall to Arab invasions was sindh. One version is Buddhists refusing to fight and a small Hindu kshatriya population who would defend them ended up overwhelmed by Arab numbers, Buddhism ultimately stood no chance against Islamic persecution. Another is that the Rai dynasty of Sindh at the time were extremely cruel to the majority Buddhist/jain population who were initially pleased to see their overthrow by the Arabs, some accounts say this was short-lived as the Arabs went on with rape, pillage and plunder of one of the richest kingdoms in the world for weeks on end.

>>126937695
>a dead russian man is equal to a series of lost battles

>>126933303
This makes a lot of sense

>>126938119
Ottomans even lost against Egyptians after 18th century
why would i give a fuck about some Russians stabbing the corpse of a giant?

>>126935252
the two greatest plagues of humanity

>>126929566
they didn't replace everyone and used locals for administration

>>126937724
They met their match when the Mongols came.

>>126938045
I guess they leapfrogged into India from central Asia after the initial spread.

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>>126930163
kys oil eye

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>>126937695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_27Hi1In6o
La cucaracha, la cucaracha, ya no puede caminar
por que no tiene, por que le falta marihuana que fumar

>>126937270
Also Spain and chunks of East&Central Europe

how do the Nestorians fit into all of this?

>>126930163
>ibn al-Walid
Nope, not an argument.
That's like showing that Prussia was a weak military power by posting only battles against Napoleon.

>>126933515
A muslim kingdom in europe had european muslims with them. I don't understand what you are trying to say

Being a muslim has nothing to do with race

>>126938456
>They met their match when the Mongols came.
It's an odd kind of historical Karma in action, kind of like the atom bombs

>>126938597
>por que no tiene, por que le falta marihuana que fumar
here it is "por que no tiene, por que le faltan las patitas para andar"

>>126938021

>Why would "I" speak Greek?

Collective 'you'; individual anatoliets don't actually matter.

>Greek language sounds very queer.
>Turkish doesn't

I was surprised as how soft and effeminate your language sounds, granted that it looks like a gurgled mess on paper.
Greek has more hard consonants than Turkese does, its actually a far more masculine language when spoken.
You say it sounds queer because Turks are obligated to try and degrade everything Greek.

You actually need to scream in Turkish for it to sound heterosexual, and even then the gay creeps in.

>>126929566
extreme violence and barbaric pratice, just like today

>>126935944
haha nice edit fucking roach
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Nagykanizsa

>>126930621
This.
The big players in the region were exhausted from fighting each other for decades and the arabs exploited that temporary weakness.
Similar to today, desu.

>>126938456
India and the Iberian peninsula were invaded by muzzies around the same time, so right after the central Asian spread. I believe they invaded through what is now modern day Balochistan. Religion of peace indeed.

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>>126938952
holy shit

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>>126938866
>Collective 'you'; individual anatoliets don't actually matter.
"Us" would not exist if it weren't for Turk invasions and migration
>>126938952

Guess who changed it
IP address shows that it was a Swiss guy who changed the numbers of the battle in favour of Europeans
:)

>>126935816
In 200 years, starting from a few hundred people living in tents to destroying thousand year old eastern roman empire

>>126939144
oh fuck, great shame

alright you win this one

>>126939112
>through what is now modern day Balochistan
Understandable move, given the strength of the Central Asian tribes. Better to put up with ass terrain for a while rather than expose yourself to endless raids and skirmishes

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>>126936493
Only the lazy did not win Byzantium!

>>126929566
I for one admire the Muslims of past times.

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Im seeing a lot of kebaps here.Fools,if you want to remove them,you must call the true holy kebap removers,the spaniards!

>>126939208
if you call destroying kicking an old moribund man in the guts,...

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>roach boasting about the history of his poor-piss long-gone "empire" by posting wiki battles yet again
Two can play this game.

>>126938021
> Turks were largely pagan till early 1000s
Talk about being late to the party. Right about the same time the Baltics went Christian.

>>126937695
Oh, my God! Dead Russian!!! I'm so upset! Mommy, where are you!!!???

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holy kebap remover,pay attention slavs and hungarians

>>126939405
>Better to put up with ass terrain for a while rather than expose yourself

Basically, the Kabul Shahi were a force to be reckoned with. They resisted Islamic invasions for hundreds of years until finally being weakened by court intrigue by the Hindu Brhamin Kallar.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Shahi-family#ref284597

This lead to the fall of the last pre-islamic Iranian bastion but more importantly the path to India was wide open with the fall of the Shahi meant the muzzies only had to deal with river crossings in plains rather than mountains, this gave the heavily cavalry based Muslim armies a huge advantage over the large infantry armies of India, not to mention their unprepared mobilization on account of Mahmoud of Ghaznis unexpected defeat of the Shahi. After that it was just a flurry of turkic invaders and new Islamic cultures like pakhtuns.

>>126939853
It was 500 year of beating the man
Just like how ottomans were beaten....

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>>126934771
Hmmm....

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>>126937695
Grozny

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>>126930163
t.Brainwashed Armenian rape baby larping as an mudslime Asiatic conqueror

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>>126931487
You stopped them????????

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>>126929566
Basically snowniggers kept attacking the Roman Empire until it weakened, then Muslim had an easy job.

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>>126940215

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_the_Fearless

>>126940331
then I'll retreat

>>126939144

>"Us" would not exist if it weren't for Turk invasions and migration

Not really. Turks could easily have still migrated into Anatolia and become Hellenophone Romans over time, like the Slavs did in parts of the Balkans, and even areas of Thessaly.
The emperors relocated peoples hither and thither to expedite this process - take the Armenian Paulicians, for example.
Plenty of Turks fought for the Romans; Ioannes Axouchos, the emperor Ioannes' best friend, was a Turk who had been taken captive as a child and raised as a Roman.

Political control was all that was necessary. Oh well. Enjoy your cigarette butt gardens and streets full of rubbish.

>>126939208

Four hundred, actually. If we are counting from the Seljuk invasion, which we must, since you're taking credit for Manzikert.
Turks got the scraps of the empire after the Latins were done sacking and pillaging the good bits.
Fourth Crusade was in 1204, and you couldn't even manage to beat the leftovers of the empire, not for two hundred and fifty years.

Phrasing it as you do magnifies a pretty sad affair, its more a fable for Westerners than a 'great victory' of yours - but then Turks have only ever served the narrative function of being a tediously regular enemy who we predictably beat, thus teaching us this or that value of friendship, courage, etc.

Sort of like Skeletor the country. Its appropriate that a cartoonish nation should have a cartoonish role.
Simply put, you're a 'side character' for us to play off of.

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>>126940215

http://historicalleys.blogspot.pt/2011/04/plunder-and-massacre-of-meri.html

>>126929566

Collapse of the Roman empire I thought. Also their religion is basically built to turn young men into an army.

>>126940428
that's a legit chart. looks very real! its source is also not based on my ass either.
but as i mentioned before i have clear asiatic features. so you have to keep posting more shitty charts to convince me that i'm not turk, my white low-race friend.
>>126940687
>Not really. Turks could easily have still migrated into Anatolia and become Hellenophone Romans over time, like the Slavs did in parts of the Balkans, and even areas of Thessaly.
Like Hazaras of Iran?
Yeah i guess so. But Greeks hated Turks and constantly called them barbarian.

>>126940608
The Spanish Empire had a long slow painful decline too.

>>126935984

They didnt start inbred. That came later.

Probably quite some taqiyya was involved.

>>126929566
The war machine didn't have brakes. It had 2 gas pedals. This is the most accurate response to your question. Watch it. Good stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvq59FPgx88

>>126939208
Reminder: Bulgars kept destroying the Byzantine army again and again through the ages when the ERE was at its heights, while turks came when the empire was a dead man walking.

>>126940215
This guy fucking marked the victory on Lepanto.
God tier

>>126940687
>but then Turks have only ever served the narrative function of being a tediously regular enemy who we predictably beat, thus teaching us this or that value of friendship, courage, etc.

This is true. According to some of our most famous writers, here it was a common topic to talk about "The Turk" in the XVI century: how they ravaged islands, where did turks go and where were their pirates at, victories, etc... It basically was the "football" of the century, not too much of a fierceful enemy but rather a costant pain in the ass.

>>126940331

>five hundred years of beating

The Komnenoi were doing a fairly decent job of rolling you back, Myriokephalon was a bump in the road.
They failed because Alexios II was a useless emperor and the Latins were faithless. You took advantage of their internal struggles.

>>126937423

The problem is Muzzies always think a war is on. If the entire planet went Islam you would just kill each other saying that guy is not a real Muslims.

>>126940801
Greeks hated everyone. If you had converted/assimilated there might have been a Turkish Emperor and the Middle East wouldn't be shit, just greek. If Mehmet II adopted Greek and Christianity the world would be drastically different and most likely better.

>>126940870
yes it was. 1898, what a year...

>>126941227
"Turk" was a nickname for pirate/barbarian. A lot of pirates were called Turk. Even a Danish pirate was called a Turk.
Actual Turks didn't care too much about sea. Ottoman admirals were Italians and Greeks. The only Turkish admiral was Tzachas who conquered Greek islands i guess.
>>126941362
Greek language sounds queer and i'd like not to speak that language.

>>126941368
Nah. More like 1808

>>126940801
I got it from here rape baby

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/are-turks-acculturated-armenians/

>>126941552
Eh, it sounds weird but so does Turkish. At least there was literary history to build on at that point.

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>>126940801

> i have clear asiatic features

Post your face, or eyes at least, I want to see what rape looks like.

>Greeks hated Turks and constantly called them barbarian.

They called everyone barbarian. Slavs, Germans, etc.
The only ones who I know of that qualified as 'semibarbarian' were the Franks, but that itself is not fixed, as plenty of Greek sources call them barbarians as well.
Romans thought you could educate a barbarian into humanity, Greeks didn't.

Emperor Zeno was called barbarian, even though Isaurians had lived under the empire for centuries.

>>126940687
If you count latins for victory, then id put timurid invasion of anatolia

In 1402, he pretty much destroyed anatolia only stopped by the straits since he didnt have ships. After destroying ottomans, he simply left the anatolia divided among 4 kids who wanted to be sultan and fought in between each other. 51 years later, ottomans still conquered constantinople. Crusade 200 years ago is hardly a thing to blame compared to this

>>126930621
Best post ITT.
/thread

>>126941592
:(
>>126941552
does not say much in your favour

>>126941552
>turk was a nickname for Pirates

Lol no it wasn't it was a term used to refer to the peasantry while the elite referred to themselves as osmaniyye, osmanli or Ottomans in the west.

>>126941638
>Dienekes
Hmm
http://dienekes.blogspot.com.tr/2012/02/first-look-at-turkish-and-kyrgyz-data.html
>>126941885
>Post your face, or eyes at least, I want to see what rape looks like.
do i actually have to?
>>126941730
Turkish sounds manly
Greek just sounds queer and spanish

>>126932826
Read a fucking book you idiot

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>>126942057
If you wanted manly you would have learned German.

>>126942200
>articles
>gender pronouns
>retarded grammar
thank you

>>126929566
>How
Truth be told, Islam is an impressive recipe for conquest. We should emulate some of its techniques to destroy it once and for all.

>>126930163
*Angry roach hissing*

>>126941552
>Even a Danish pirate was called a Turk.
Name?
You thinking of jan janszoon (dutch)?

>>126942406
yes the guy who raided iceland with moors

>>126941893
Little bit offtopic. How did Mehmet II reorganized the army and state and ideology maybe too so he could proceed with european conquests? The issue isn't so popular over here.
t. orientalist

>>126941552

>Greek language sounds queer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTOM3ktdg3Y

People will say anything about Cenk, but 'effeminate' doesn't spring to mind until you hear him speaking Turkish.
As I said, was pretty weird finding out that 'uglug gug cokug nug bughlug' is pronounced 'seher feher bushcush meneh.'
Crypto-gay.

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>>126942665
they took tunisia two months later, I think. But yea, cool nevertheless.

>>126942665

France helping the turks, why am i not suprised? They are worst than the protestant with the "better turk than papist" bs.

They had good generals and a strong will to fight.

It's basically the old, pre industrial revolution model of the world

>People create civilization and nations rise up
>Eventually because of civilization the civilized peoples grow degenerate, get accustomed to luxury, wealth, pleasure and forget what made them great in the first place
>Rural and suburban retards who are closer to nature take over because they have a stronger spirit
>Eventually the guys who took over settle and become civilized
>The entire process repeats again

The Mongols, the barbarians who sacked rome, the rise of Islam and a bunch of other things im forgetting were pretty much like that.

>>126941893

>Crusade 200 years ago is hardly a thing to blame compared to this

Except that the crusader statelets and competing 'empires' of Trebizond and Epirus were still fighting the empire, along with yourselves, of course.
So not only did they have to contend with Catholics and pretenders, they also had to deal with sundry Turkish raiders, while having little of the strength they had before, because the Venetians possessed extraordinary trading privileges which deprived them of vital sources of revenue.
Such cases.

Say what you want, it was the Fourth Crusade that wrecked them. Had it not done so, what do you think would have happened when Timur smashed you and promptly died?

>>126942057

>do i actually have to?

Yes.

>>126943065
pretty much every European power has helped the turks, especially with the crimean war. They were a useful power for preventing the domination of Russia and other european powers.

>>126942585
> Asian language
Well there you go. Chinese, Viatnemese etc don't sound very macho either.

>>126942527
I dont think i know of this matter much to give a good answer atm as i am phone posting and sources i have are limited(wiki is also still banned here)

The way i remember, ottomans were being pretty tolerant to foreigners since they conquered a lot of places. Byzantines were being dicks with taxing so some places accepted ottoman rule happily

As for army, they had a professional soldiers who were trained from childhood. Those were from eastern european lands. They pretty much forcefully took male children from families who had multiple sons, pretty evil imho. Those soldiees were pretty high in social hierarchy in ottoman society and they loved going to war to gather some nice loot. They would even force sultans to go to wars so army organization probably wasnt big of a deal back then. Morale was high as ottomans have conquered themselves a nice capital city and defeated a crusade

>>126943300

Portugal didn´t, thank god we didnt care about europe.

>>126943960
true you were too busy becoming totally irrelevant and in the pocket of Britain.

>>126929566
pol would tell you sword and forced conversion.
what pol wouldn't tell you are this:

1. early muslim conquests occurred with only 12.000 soldiers. byzantine and sassanids were fighting each other, so they were weakened. spain was in political vacuum.

2. pol will never admit it because they want islam to be equalized to violence and terror. but most historians do say it: both conquests in the east and west occurred through promise of freedom. muslims did not exterminate people in territories they conquered. religious or secular rulers were either left in their positions, or they were given even more important positions within the new state. only muslims let other people join the state and hold significant positions. contrary to the widespread belief, muslims did not force jews and christians to convert to islam. still many converted on their own will.

3. the conquest of spain also occurred with a small military force. it was rather diplomatic methods.

4. no, islam did not spread by the sword.

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>>126944352
>4. no, islam did not spread by the sword.

>>126929566
>manage to conquer so much territory

it was mostly desert, who the fucks wants desert
they were able conquer it because nobody fucking lived there

>>126943286
The fourth crusade did smash them. I am just saying it wasnt a cake walk for ottomans either. They were just a small tribe who kept getting stronger and strong in a short time, then timur comes in, destroys the empire with an overwhelming army and leaves the ottomans in a 4 way civil war. Civil wat eventually ends with a winner and european powers come with the crusade of varna. Only after defeating the crusade, ottomans got to finish off the byzantines

>>126944620
>they were able conquer it because nobody fucking lived there
>Historians estimate the Umayyad Caliphate had a population of around 62 million people, which was nearly 30% of the world's population at the time

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>>126944352
wow Islam seems pretty based now
thanks roach!

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>>126942952
Best bombardment of Kebab ever, experimenting our new Man-of-war.
>>126943960
Our oldest ally used Arab Revolt to weaken Ottoman Empire in WWI. It could be on different campaign or theatre of operations than European one and Colonial one, but it was probably necessary to win the war, You use every trick necessary. Don't complain - we were in their side in WWI.

>>126943852
before the conquest of constantinople, a byzantine high officer by the name of notaras said: "i prefer the turkish turban to the latin mitre"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loukas_Notaras

i guess rememberg what happened in 1204 in constantinople during the 4th crusade.

>>126944679
read history hans. your prejudices are not facts. facts come from history.

>>126943852
Well thank you anyway, senpai. AFAIK they established millets for other religions.

>>126943286
>Yes.
why?

>>126931498

that was the Crusades

this is during and shortly after the life of Mohammad, piss buh

>>126944352
Well Islam was never spread by missionaries, it was spread by conquest unlike christianity in Europe, where mostly missionaries spread it and it wasn't enforced by conquerors. The only example of that is Charlemagne killing the saxons, but he didn't take control of their lands.

But Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all semitic forms of faith, and as such they are all very insidious, dishonest and manipulative. They all encourage the worst people to dominate the best, and the best people to be submissive. As a crossroads for the world the middle east always was a seat of deception, manipulation and a dogged determination to survive any event such as conquest, invasion or plague.

>>126944675

The desert of the Arabian Peninsula is so inhospitable that it has been given the name "The Empty Quarter."

>>126944798
whatever, I don't live in the past. You Muslims could be God's chosen people and shit gold nuggets 2000 years ago, but I wouldn't give a damn. Who knows, maybe Muslims will be at the top of the food chain in the near future

till then fuck off fuck a goat

>>126945171
Stalin was right by making religions illegal

>>126944798
Because the emperor of ERE signed unity pact with catholics that pissed everyone in the empire off. Even Russian church didn't accept this decision until now.

>>126938670
ibn al-Walid didn't take part in several major battles of the early Caliphate, not to mention he was long dead by the time the Muslims invaded Spain. He wasn't present at the battle of al-Qādisiyyah being busy in Syria, not to mention how badly the Romans lost to the Turks at Manzikert.

However more to the point there are several reasons the early Islamic conquests were so successful. The main factors were zeal or espirit de corps, competent officers, weakness within the Persian and Roman empires, and division within the Persian and Roman Empires.

Put simply when Islam rose to power both the Eastern Roman Empire and Sassanid empire had each reach an all time low and high point about a decade ago when Khosrau II conquered Egypt, the Levant, and much of Anatolia before losing it all to the Eastern Roman Empire almost immediately after. Then the Muslims, zealous warrriors from the deserts led by one of the best generals in human history arrive and stomp massive Roman and Persian armies. To make matters worse both the Romans and Persians recently had coups against their emperors just before the invasions and had rulers overthrown soon after some defeats.

Essentially it was a perfect storm for the rise of Islam. Also, not claiming Islam is right or anything but if I was some dirt farmer from Syria and saw these desert tribesmen shatter the two largest empires in the known world in about a decade I would assume god is on their side.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/islam-fastest-shrinking-religion-in-the-world

>>126945171
you are wrong my friend. Islam primarily was spread by the sufi dervishes and merchants. that's how turkey, bosnia, malaysia, indonesia became muslims. the last one, indonesia, was never "visited" by a muslim army and is the largest muslim country at the moment.

the problem is your prejudices nourished by the media narrative about islam. history is totally different.
>>126945291
we are not "chosen people" of God. that's the claim of (((someone else))). also ask yourself why even today, with so much propaganda against Islam, western people become muslims. they are not forced to anything. they accept it on their own free will.

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>>126945291
Religion wouldn't have survived if it weren't so insidious, even buddhism is very manipulative and has caused plenty of strife. Religions are very nearly always magnets for those with mental illnesses, especially narcissism (Mother Theresa), sociopathy and megalomania. Healthy adjusted people never put ideals above human life and they don't place themselves above others which is exactly what Jesus did, if you imagine that he was purely just a human.

>>126945213
The coasts and major rivers of the region have large populations however. Beyond that they conquered the two most powerful empires in the western world extremely quickly, Alexander the Great took decades just to destroy the Persian Empire. Finally every largest empire has empty space, the British empire had northern Canada and the Australian outback, the Mongol Empire had the steppes, Russia had Siberia.

>>126945447
another /thread

>>126945447
My point was that most of the battles in his pic were led by al-Walid.
I agree on everything you said, tho.
That's how also turks initially conquered the Balkans - a couple of strongly divided and weakened states were an easy target, but when the ottomans attacked Poland, Austria, Russia, they were easily repelled.

>>126945678
"jihadwatch" is a (((zionist))) effort to spread islamophobia. not reliable.
islam today is the fastest growing religion in the world. so many people in different countries of the world, despite widespread propaganda, embrace islam. just open youtube and search for "convert to islam" to see millions of people sharing their personal stories. even numerous western ambassadors among them.
google "ambassador converted to islam".
wilfried hofmann, torquato cardelli are two names that come to my mind atm.

>>126930733
kys roach

>>126945833
I may be prejudiced in terms of education, but media doesn't influence my understanding at all, especially since I'm an archaeologist. I'd accept that 'merchants' spread islam if it had ever been shown to be the case in other historical and contemporary groups. The Vikings for instance were a very active merchant group, yet they did not influence any part of Europe to embrace asatruism aside from those they conquered. It's more likely that the merchant would be converted by a foreign country than vice versa, which happened a lot in antiquity. Religion is a whole lot more convincing as an institution than as a movement, and islam was more of a movement during it's early years.

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>>126944167

That is true to some extent, yet we preffer being irrelevant than having our sons named Ahmed.
Enjoy it based ally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5BVodFq9Ac

>>126944692

I know that our ally was behind the saudi´s and israel, they sold their soul, but its ok, we killed the hun in the name of our new master.

>>126947042
the difference between muslims and others (vikings...) is that for muslims religion is very important (for which reason secular people call muslims fanatics/zealots etc.). a viking merchant would more care about his profit but muslim merchants also gave effort to spread islam. because it is a religious duty upon all muslims to invite others to islam. so each muslim is a missionary.

malaysia and indonesia converted to islam because of arab merchants in the region. this is a historical fact. as i said above, no muslim army ever went to these countries. but their people observed the sincere lifestyle of muslim merchants and decided to embrace islam.

>>126929566
http://www.strawpoll.me/13034542/

>>126935874
Tours was so far in the periphery of the muslim world that contemporary muslim sources barely mention it

>>126944670

Civil wars usually do end with a victor. That victor would have a large army he could either demilitarise at risk of their destroying him, as per the Jelali revolts, or keep the ball rolling. Naturally the Ottomans took the latter course.

>>126944798

Then you see how the crusade of Varna was not sent to 'help' what was left of the Romans.

>>126945063

>why?

I want to do a cum tribute to you, obviously.

>>126930621
Mostly correct for the Middle East, but there was also a very important aspect - both empires (Byzantium and Persia) had in the army a very diverse composition of soldiers, some from nation/tribes not very loyal to their respective rulers. Exhausted by wars and angered by old feuds towards their former conquerors, probably many contingents refused to fight, fled or even join the arabs. Imagine being a killer in an ancient army and hear that a new religion allows you to rape kids, kill people at will and take their wives and wealth. islam is TAILORED to appeal to the most primitive of humans, to instantly gratify their desires. The tribes around Tiger and Eufrat quickly adopted this, as the blood thirsty savages they always were.

North of Africa - same story with beduins, the thieves with little loyalty. The Christians of Egypt there were sitting ducks accepting islam as the God sent scourge.

tl;dr stop fucking fighting each other

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>>126946298
Well thank you. It feels good to be appreciated.

>>126946155

I posted all of this already you bastard.

>>126947867
To be fair he did say "another."

>>126947360
true, there will be a Portugal long after Britain has gone. If only there could have been a League of Atlantic european nations.

>>126947456
you say fact, but lets not pretend that in Indonesia and Malaysia opposition to Islam was stamped out by conquest, albeit by converted parties. Islam grants social cohesion and also a motivation for conquest, which usually results in a conqueror and an army to follow him.

>>126948423

You mean we kick out USA from NATO? Sounds good. We are still are the founders.

>>126946418
lol (((moslems))) say everything is a zionist scheme,


the bottom line evidence is that nobody wants to immigrate to islamic countries, everybody is fleeing moslem countries

is there any better evidence than that islam sucks

>>126929566
Muslim soldiers have unparalleled levels of zeal. To them, dying on the battlefield results in guaranteed heaven and winning is well... Winning.

>>126948901
shame we can't afford shit

>>126929566
They didn´t try to apply the Quran in a literal way by then. Muslims who took over Iberia where quite tolerant and smart by time standars.
I´d say the Turkomen are to blame here. The arab world was pretty much a different thing before ´em.

>>126949190
>Everybody is fleeing Muslim countries

Everybody? Are you sure?

>>126943300
Except Spain because we were only loyal to God and no one else

>>126949298
Well. Russians still were tougher. Look at the Russo-Turkish wars, conquest of Central Asia, etc. Asian frontier always was easier to conquer, we won some battles even when outnumbered 1 to 10, lol.

>>126949298

That´s not it, they were still zealous in the 19 and 20 century..

>>126949394

They don´t need us, they just use us for political validation, a split would be good because it would end that and force us to take action.
It would like the sino-soviet schims..

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>>126947611

underestimated

>>126949190
>nobody wants to immigrate to islamic countries
Gulf states have tons of immigration. Primarily from India but that is because people rarely leave western countries. How many Americans do you know that moved to another country? How many Europeans do you know that moved out of Europe.

>>126936493
>Manzikert
>only won because half of the Byzantine army were mercenaries who deserted right before the battle began
Manzikert was a fluke

>>126929566
Because of the Sassanian-Byzantine war. They conquered all this exactly after a huge war between Rome and Persia that left both countries weak and in a poor position. If it had been in a stage of peace Arabia would have been split between Persia and Rome.

>>126941893
Except that the Ottomans were saved by the Venetians after Timur BTFOd them otherwise they would've collapsed sooner

>>126947611
It only happened in the late western Rome, the Byzantine army was Greek and loyal to the Emperor.

>>126949714
“No normal Pakistani in his right mind would stay in this country for an extra 24 hours if given the option to emigrate.”

- Hassan Nisar

>>126929566
Reminder that Islam came after arabs conquered the middle east.

Reminder that NOBODY who had contacts with the arab conquerors learnt about islam as islam didn't exist yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKk0L6H1ms

>>126929566

Keep in mind this happened right after the collapse of classical civilisation, the region was exhausted both economically and militarily.

Weren´t there two arab kingdoms fighting on behalf of the sassanid-byzantine wars?

One was even christian, what happened to those?

>>126944352

lol fuck off islam did spread by the sword. your factoids leave out the fact that muslims enslaved every non muslim. women were forced to marry / raped by the owner, men were forced to fight for the muslims. thats the main reason why many conquered nations/states/tribes converted to islam; muslims couldnt enslave other muslims. this is why turks became muslims.

>>126941345

They've already been killing each other. Sunnis, shia, fucking Timur the Lame

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>>126944352
>4. no, islam did not spread by the sword.

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>>126934771
All hail Franks

Save us from the saracen yoke!

>>126948008

fuck that no turk has eyes like that. the truth is a vast majority of turks (citizens of the turkish republic) are hairy, shorter than average european, have dark eye and hair color, brownish skin. this is mainly because the mainly armenian brood to the east are breeding way faster than the real turks in the aegaen region and the europeans in marmara and black sea region. thats why you can still see blonde blue eyed people from black sea region and half--asian people from the west and south but in pretty much all other regions you will get your stereotypical turk meme

>>126951685
Yeah the Ghassanids, they never converted to Islam

>>126949595
What is evidence of muslim take over of spain?

Moors just raided through cucktalonia who let them pass to not fight, moors never fought any iberians.

>>126946418
Islam is a religion for low IQ inbreeds that are not able to adapt (or comprehend ) to western values. You are worse than the Jews, admit it !

>>126941864
Bumping for essay. Im interested. Any clues brüder?

>>126929566
The constant wars weakened the dominate powers. Once Islam had the numbers, power and influence they steam rolled the entire region.

>>126941772
I spotted a Serb.

>>126931487
Who were you again?

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>>126957784
This is true defined borders

>>126953339
I can't tell if you're memeing or you're actually that dude but I looke practically exactly like you but my nose and jaw/chin is a bit more defined.

>>126929566
because the prophet's message resonated with the people in those regions

before his appearance, these areas were rife with discord and chaos, where the pagans would simply live like animals

the prophet came and cleaned it up and made the middle east great again

>>126958251
Dégage Mamadou.

>>126932697
Australien children are Emu rape babies.

>>126958506
did an arab fuck your wife or something

>>126933518
Actually grazing is good for the land.
It allows seeds to permeate into the soil.

>>126930163
> clearly butthurt

>>126958251
considering the prophet's message only resonated with pedophiles, rapists and murderers, this sounds highly accurate

>>126959015
blatantly false

>>126942200
I did and I noticed that I can't get into the mood of German language.
Speaking another language changes my perception and mood but German stays alien to me.

>>126958812
Having land for grazing wastes tons of land that could be used for agriculture.

>>126958251
>made the middle east great again
>the middle east went from having multiple major powers (Byzantium, Egypt, Zoroastrian Iran) to none

Muhammad confirmed for Trump?

>>126958095
Moors lasted a couple of centuries like 2 before rhey got a chance to fight then were wll killed

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>>126929566
Daily reminder that,
Fuck mohammed
Fuck Erdogan
Fuck islam
Fuck k*rds

>>126960995
Kurds are okay

>>126945171
> he didn't take control of their lands.

He deportated a lot of saxons into the middle of france and put frankish settlers there occupuying them and forbidding them all kinds of stuff. Charlemagne was the christian muhammed like it or not. We got an empire from it tho.

>>126960995
Did you vote the nationalist party or secular one?
>>126961323
kek

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>>126961323
A FUCKING LEAF
>>126961555
I vote CHP every election