What if gender really IS a social construct?

Actually heterosexuality it is a social construct, like homosexuality.

There are normals and faggots.

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>>126922075

God's (or evolution, your choice) design: male + female = baby

Anything else is degenerative

>>126922075
Fucking your brothers and sisters and eating your sons and daughters is also "widespread in the animal world".

Does that really make you think? Does "progressivism" just mean to turn everyone into animals?

>>126922075
Gender is a hijacked nonsense term that is not objective, so you cannot argue about it.
Sex is the scientific term.

>>126922075
Infanticide occurs in nature too, therefore it must be fine for adult males to kill off the children of single moms and generate their own heirs with her.

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>>126922219
Homosexuality is a mental illness.

>>126922075
I-is this a boy?

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>>126922075
Everything we do is a social construct. Some social constructs build civilizations such as marriage between White Europeans. Some social constructs create animalistic tribal behaviors like the niggers of Africa. Humans are programmable, some programs are better than others.

>>126922075

and again, in animal world usualy sodomite stuff are rapes.
The sodomite intercourse are ALWAYS sadomasochistic relation, who take it suffer, and enjoy to be subjugated and dominated brutally.
Anal "sex" = violence, abuse

>>126922344

Again, ANIMALS in the wild do it, and they weren't subjected to any modification. Therefore, there exist multiple natural designs for sexuality.

Then, I don't believe in the Christian/Jewish/Islamic God, but even if you do: turns out God created creatures that are homosexual, whilst opposing this form of sexuslity in the Bible?

>>126922760

faggot

>>126922075
>if sexuality in nature is fluid

it's not


To be honest, I don't care what the fuck you do in your bedroom as long as the other person is okay with it

>>126922075

Look, if you want to make the argument that gays are natural because animals do it, then you have to make an identical argument for all of the awful things animals do, like killing their young and raping the corpses, or eating their mates, etc.

People are not animals.

>>126922075
Gender is irrelevant, only sex matters. I don't even know why there even needs to be a debate.

>>126922939

Animals eat shit, rape, eat their children and stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwkaqNFp530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0XwCB_6Kbc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf7HuCa97vk

>>126922939
animals dont do it for pleasure retard, its either a domination move or an atypical coupling caused mostly by human actions (such as putting penguins in a zoo). aside from that, why should we EVER base our principles on what animals are doing? just because its natural for them doesnt mean its natural for us.

>>126922939
See
>>126922456
>>126922395

>>126922939

Gretel are you still with us?
Post us some of your pictures.

>Shock discovery: Ms Martin told of one case where a farmer rigged a CCTV camera in the rafters of his barn after finding his normally friendly sheep refusing human contact, to discover multiple men sneaking in in the dead of night to sexually abuse his beloved livestock
it made you think while you were having sex with a horse?
this is a germans-fuck-goats thread now

>>126922939
Animals also belong in zoos. Fuck off turkish retard

>>126922395
>male lions eat the young so the female lion will enter estrus faster.
>Human female aborts her own young for the same reason.
Nature knows humans better than humans know themselves

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Sex and gender are correlated, but sex does not determine gender 100% of the time.

Gender is a social construct because the way society and the transgender people see it is constructed by the outlook of that society. Just like we assign race based on different groups, gender is something that is loosely define by our society.

>Many here believe Romans are not white
>Many believe Italians are not white
>Many believe that Slavs are not white
>Many argues Jews are not white
>Many argue that some Iranians are technically more white than Italians
>Some argue that only Nords are white
>Others say only Germans are white

See, what we consider "race" or "gender" is entirely a paradigm that is created by a society. It only exists here; you will not find a place that uses "male" or "female" or "bisexual". They would have different constructs.

None of it exists outside of our mind.

Some call this the Butterfly effect because you project your reality into consciousness and it is as real as 2+2=4.

>>126923242
>Dan Schneider initiates another young starlet

>>126922075
Post more

>>126922075
Rape laws are a social construct. Most mating occurs without consent after all.

Not killing a single moms kids when you hook up is a social construct. Most mammals kill off the young from competitor males.

What if the idea of "natural" is just a social construct?
If aliens exist, what makea anything in thia universe "normal" or "natural?"

>>126922075
>humans are animals

sage

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>>126923879
>a leaf
gender and sex synonyms
no need to come up with complex mental gymnastics
there are 2 genders and thats the end of it
deal with it

>>126922075
Who's this fluid druid?

>>126924344

Natural is a truth of reality that exists on every planet system.

>Natural: Exists on the planet without human creation

>Un-natural (or man-made ): Something that exists because of human creation and would not exist otherwise in the natural world.

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>>126922075
Everything humans experience is either entirely or in part a social construct due to us being social animals. Thus, if we argue that a social construct phenomenon is fictional with respect to practical reality due to it being a social construct, we must discard most of the so called humanity to remain intellectually honest. Value of life: a social construct, human rights: a social construct, love: a social construct, et cetera ad infinitum.

Here's a history lesson for you, Kraut.

THE YEAR! 1945! Millions of hard masculine German men are killed off in WW2, as a result of this, the sissy men and single women raised a generation of faggots. This has continued to present day and now we have Megaultracocksucker M5A3 like you that debates on a conservative image board whether or not sucking dick is natural.

Here's your fucking answer: get in your house, shut the door, close the curtains, stay in the closet, suck dick and shut the fuck up about it.
As a compromise, I'm sure most of here would tolerate the fact you steal oxygen if you did everything I said above.

>>126922075
No you fucking retard, the biological imperative is reproduction. Are there some aberrant behaviors produced? Yeah there are, just like congenital birth defects are a fact of life, but nobody is trying to normalize them.

>>126922075
Saying things are social constructs is pointless unless you establish what exactly is a social construct and how precisely society constructs concepts. Most of the left, however, refuses to so, blindly believing you can make claims like X is a social construct as if it is self evident. It is not. This is something even Chomsky, a hard core leftist, has already pointed out concerning post modernism.

It's not a coincidence that there are two sexes and that the spectrum of gender constructs adhere to this binary, biological groundwork.

If it weren't for the two sexes then these constructs would be no different than cultural norms/fashion statements/trends. It's hilarious to see people say they are nonbinary when it's basically validating the two end points of this spectrum.

Honestly the new legislation gives us a archetypal truth akin to what Peterson talks about.

If you are gay, you can become straight.

Because gender is fluid you should be able to be attracted to pussy with just a few brain exercises.

I know a good hypnotist that offers gay fluid transitional therapy to make you straight.

They charge $50 an hour and you can be cured in three sessions.

It's not.
just look between your legs.

Also fucking reddit formating is killing me

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>>126922075
What if Earth is really flat?

>>126922075
wtf are you talking about, gender is self evidently a social construct

what's at issue is trannys saying because something is a social construct it is arbitrary and doesn't matter

Maybe you need to innawoods so you can be truly free

>>126922075
Sexuality is a mental construct. That's why fetishes exist and people can be aroused by near god damn everything, including men, woman, beasts, 2d pictures and goddamned tanks.
But this isn't a reason to declare ALL types of sexuality socially accepted. Only the standard heterosexual should be promoted and accepted as norm, because it builds the fabric of society - monogamous families.

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>>126925538
sorry I just read the rest of your post OP

you keep conflating gender, sex and sexuality and these are 3 different concepts you fucking dunce

>>126922939
>turns out God created creatures that are homosexual
nope, free will fucker

>>126925538
>what's at issue is trannys saying because something is a social construct it is arbitrary and doesn't matter

This.

Just point out that the law is a social construct and none of us want to live in a world without laws, or one where the laws are "fluid" and radically change on a daily basis.

>>126922075
Homo and bi are not genders you fuckin imbecile. They're sexual orientations

>>126922075
Its natural for fish to breathe under water. You should tie some cylinder blocks to your feet and go for a swim because we're just like them afterall

>>126922075

Natural and normal are two different things. Not to mention we aren't fish or low tier animals. Our civilizations have thrived because we didn't have homos ending our bloodlines.

We aren't hyenas,our women don't have huge clitori that penetrate us. We have huge penises that penetrate them and bring on babies.

ALSO we have evolved to the point where we can enforce rules and guides to help us reach enlightenment or even happiness,it's called the christian dogma. This is why europeans are as smart as they are and selfless as they are.

Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions which is why we allow muslim scum amongst our communities. But as you can see they segregate themselves and try to blow us up. So for now fuck gender and focus on killing as many muslims as you can,i want to see a bodycount that tops vlad tepes',i want stories to be told in the future much like when the crusaders rolled in jerusalem where the blood was up to the knees.

Fight for EVROPA.

>>126922075

If gender really is a social construct? Then all of these "new genders" are social constructs. The argument appears to be that everything is a social construct.

>>126922075
Who cares? I'm interested in what helps people to survive and thrive.

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>>126922075

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

The man who invented (((Gender)))


>chopped little boys dicks off and told them they were girls

>whao look they think they are girls, sex must be bullshit

The day of the rope will be a glorious one.

>>126925907

Gender + sexual orientation = linked

In terms of pronouns:

>A "he" is assumed to be attracted to she
> =A "she" is assumed to be attracted to she

But this is not true, there are many variations.

To more accurately use these pronouns, they need to be more specific in their identification of gender identity and those associations that go along with it. This is written law so get used to it.

What's your pronoun may I ask?

>>126926302

she attracted to he***

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>>126926204
>The man who invented (((Gender)))
>American education
get your dunce cap on

>>126922075

Gender IS a social construct. They're making it up. Its all in their head. If they say they want to be a woman one day and a helicopter the next, its just who they want to be be in society. Gender has nothing to do with sex, which is clearly marked on your birth certificate. Not gender. Gender is a fake term made up to cause division among the masses. Nothing more, nothing less.

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>>126926302

You will go into the ovens on that fateful day, poopdick faggot.

>>126926204

read this.

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>>126922075

If gender actually was a social construct, liberals would claim it's genetic.

>>126922939
>Xir wants to forever wallow in the more of base animal instincts and justify his destructive hedonism by appealing to an external authority

Disgusting.

Tell me again how atheism isn't religious thinking.

>>126922075
Then I am really an apache helicopter.

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>>126926412

>Gender was a term coined by John Money
>previously always known as SEX


fuck off vegemite nigger.

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Sex is highly correlated with gender, but that does not mean this holds true 100% of the time.

I would like someone to debate me on this.

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>>126926733
>gender as a concept is 70 years old
>American education

>>126922075
>homo- and bisexuality are widespread in the animal world
They aren't widespread. The fact is that in any mammalian species homosexuality is an outlier behavior present in less that 3% of a given population. If it were much higher, the species with a high instance of true homosexuality would be out competed and go extinct. Despite propaganda to the contrary, true homosexuality exists in about the same proportions in humans. Homosexuals often are also creative individuals who seek out and congregate with like minded people. In large cities, they form communities and enter the art and entertainment industries in numbers far out of proportion to the general population. Like anyone else, homosexuals seek to be accepted and loved. so the use their access to the entertainment apparatus to propagandize homosexuality as "normal" behavior. It is not enough for them to be simply left alone. You must accept them and welcome them, or they will use their power in the media and their growing politic power to destroy you. Historically, late stage decay of civilizations display similar tenancies. Gender roles are blurred. Masculinity becomes undesirable, even ridiculed or persecuted. Masculinity becomes the preview of outsiders and barbarians. The civilization then degrades to the point that it collapses from within or is so weakened that it is invaded by a younger, more vibrant culture. At the moment, Western culture is in a general state of collapse. Acceptance of homosexuality and the blurring of gender roles is a symptom of this. Islam as a whole is at a point where western civilization was during the age of European expansion. Islamic civilization is experiencing an exploding birth rate and are expanding with traditional roles of gender and cultural hatred of homosexuality. (That it is actually practiced is irrelevant, it is officially condemned and punished with death when it shows any signs of being accepted as the norm.)

Sage.
This is a no brainier, really.
Only 4 things to account for.
-You've got a dick and you dig girls, you're heterosexual.
-You've got a vagina and crave being cummed into, you're an heterosexual.
Any other degeneracy is what it is, but don't just fucking throw it all over our face for being normal.

>>126922075
SOSE ZU DER SAMENDAME BITTE

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They are going to have to change the curriculum to teach young kids about this stuff though.

Otherwise the kids will unintentionally do something wrong and break the law.

Gender is a construct of the mind which in most cases matches the biological sex of a person.

People with masculine bodies tend to have masculine personalities.

People with feminine bodies tend to have feminine personalities.

Anything else is an abnormality.

>>126922075
Gender IS a social construct, just like monogamy and the concepto of "underage". The fact that something is a social construct doesnt mean you can change it as you please, there is a reason its called SOCIAL construct and not individual construct. You dont get to choose your gender, its assign to you by the society.

>>126925839

>free will
>free
>god knows what you will do
>god created you

where is the free?

>>126922075
>but the fact that homo- and bisexuality are widespread in the animal world

Fact?
I have yet to see any proof of homosexual animals, which refuse any chance at heterosexual intercourse.
Bisexuality is more or less natural (and according to statistics more widespread in humans than most people believe), but homosexuality is entirely unnatural.

Besides, if you bring up the "normal in the animal world" argument, would you mind if someone stole everything you owned, raped and killed you? all of those are perfectly natural and have been bserved in animals many times.

Now I honestly don't give a rats ass about who fucks who, but they should at least keep it behind closed doors instead of expecting people to tell them how what they're doing is absolutely fine and natural.

>>126927141
I still don't get how it is social.
You're just born equipped with the tools you need.
What has society got to do about that?

>>126927289
>Bisexuality is more or less natural (and according to statistics more widespread in humans than most people believe)
Probably because almost all women are what we would consider "bisexual", sexuality is much more fluid in females

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Biological identity is not a social construct.

How we identify and react to our biological gender, our gender identity, is a social construct.

One is biology.

One is social science schmaltz.

Bill Nye should learn the fucking difference as I used to learn biology and 'real' science from him.

>>126922075
(((they))) broke you

>>126926899

>thhere were gays and trannies in the ancient days XDDDD

>le revisionist poopdick history

Every, EVERY single nation or civilization that strayed from natural law shortly after destroyed itself. This is an undeniable truth.

>>126922075
Dick = Male
Penis = Female
Both = Hermaphrodite
None = OP
/thread

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>>126927065

Agreed, but this "abnormality" still requires a more specific classification to be used in language terms.

English has evolved for gorillions of years and has gone through changes.

Just read an old Shakespeare poem.

Identifying and integrating more precise gender pronouns into our language is more scientifically correct that being a denier.

Global warming deniers also use tactics to deny facts, but that doesn't mean the leading scientific investigators are not up to speed on this gender phenomenon. They are running highly controlled tests to scan large amounts of information to identify the differences in gender. Leading researchers are finding that the human mind is super complex and works outside or normal paradigms.

>>126927461
It would take you literally less than 1 second for Google to show you that you're arguing an incorrect point.

And you you continue to reply as though you are correct, is this, dare I say the ultimate expression of
>AMERICAN EDUCATION

>>126927470
>Penis = Female
INB4 What the fuck faggot?

>>126927623

not an argument.

>>126927701

I made that error too.

Dr. Drew said that actual hermaphrodites do not exist. Joe Rogan mentioned this too.

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>>126927470
>Penis = Female
You wish faggot

>>126922075

Male deer smash their antlers against other male deer in fights for dominance. Is that a social construct?

Your argument is nothing but naval gazing false intellectual post-modernist garbage.

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>>126927767
You didn't present anything that required an argument.

>>126922075
where can i get a girl like this?
>5'5"
>slav
>balding
>missing teeth
>lazy eye
>racist
>minimum wage job
>takes 3 times to solve the "apartment" captcha
Do i stand a chance?

Look at how common to "boipoussi" phenomen is in places like the Philippines and other shit countries in that region. It's part of their cultural fabric and is a social construct because people classify themselves under these different genders because it is common in their society. Places like Japan probably have more genders associated with Anime fetishes and stuff like that.

>>126922075
Of course it's a social construct (at least partially). Look at all of the changes to 'masculinity' after the metrosexual craze, and how feminine boys seem now because their feminist mothers insist on training the 'toxic masculinity' out of them.

Strangely enough, boys are learning feminine manipulation tricks and also becoming increasingly violent due to the lack of a true father figure.

And isn't it obvious why there is so much desire to swap genders? You have a society that condemns men while showing how all girls are strong and can do anything boys can, or even better. And you have cuck parents lacking any identity themselves so they let a toddler choose a gender identity themselves.

>>126927932
*sigh* it's a tranny.

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What gender would /pol/ classify furries under?

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>>126928175
at this point i dont really care.

>>126922075
Almost everything is a social construct.
Cities, families, etc.
Doesn't mean it's not real or beneficial.
Society evolved and these "constructs" are the result.

>widespread

heterosexuality is prominent because it is needed for the survival and evolution of species. If your definition of gender is a synonym for sex, then no it is not a social construct. If your definition of gender is whatever the fuck you think you are or want to be then it is your own construct. Humanity has classifications and behavioral norms and patterns that have their roots in biology and tribalism, if you think it is so great to deconstruct all of these and let people do whatever the fuck they want, tell me again in 20 years when pedophilia and zoophilia are part of the LGBTXYZ and children and animals are being taken advantage of because of their "right to choose".

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>>126922075
There are no genders.
Sage
Only sexes, two. Male & female.
You can be a homo if you want, but I will judge you for it and do consider it a gross disorder that only hinders HUMAN society. I like to think humans are distinct from animals, although you are right, we share base instincts to reproduce. This instinct is reinforced by lust for the physical sensation of getting off. Therefore, most animals just seek to fuck, unknowing why and unknowing that being homo doesn't help them do that, but attempting to mate with everything in order to get off does ultimately succeed in it's intended purpose.

No animal is a faggot that decides I'm a male animal and i like fucking exclusively only other male animals.

Gtfo faggot use what little brainpower you might posses before posting again

>>126922075
did you know, if you force animals under certain conditions, you can make them have gay tendencies?
further on, did you know that gender roles are also consistently existent among animals?

Fags are useless to society.
Let's bullet them out.

>>126922075
>What if gender really IS a social construct?

Well think about it all the way deep down as possible. And lets start with language. Language and all the words in them are all made up. We use all these made up words to describe shit. So the word gender and the word sex are different words that exist in English. Both meaning similar but different things. Sex when it comes to determine the birth sex of someone tends to be more based on the biological. Gender not so much. Since The word gender is by definition used to the state of being male or female typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones.


So by definition "Gender" is a social construct. While sex, biological sex at that, is less so and more about how nature rolled and decide to make ones chromosomes.

>>126926753
Alright. But sex and gender correlate 99.9% of the time. Sexuality correlates with sex 97% of the time. This, by definition, makes non-correlating individuals outliers. They are exceptions to the rule. The reasons this is even an issue is because the population has reached numbers where even .001% adds up to a a fairly large group of individuals who can all find one another and communicate via modern technology. Statistically speaking, the U.S. alone has about 350,000 transgendered individuals who are all able to talk to each other via the internet. But 350,000 does not come anywhere near being a majority, or even a plurality. I on't want to see LBGTQ people persecuted or treated badly, but to pretend that they aren't evolutionary outliers is to court the end of the civilization that allows them to exist unmolested in the first place.

>>126928703
this too, you can be a man with a girly attitude, or a girl with a masculine attitude, but you are still either a man or a woman. just because you can put things under certain conditions to make women more masculine or guys more feminine, doesn't mean its natural and not all change is good, we especially have to question change when it's forcefully created by humans, not by adapting to our surroundings.

>>126928703
*possess.

So in conclusion, if you are a heathen o of living for yourself and looking just to get your rocks off, by all means, fuck whoever/whatever. But you will be known as scum by true men and women of purpose and clarity.

>>126927436
Gender is not the same that biological sex. Gender involves ideas that might not have biological origin but as a society we tie to biological sex.

For example, boys should wear blue and girls should wear pink. There is no biological origin to that relationship, its pure social construct. Other example, listening to certain type of music or doing certain activities is considered "unmanly" (personally, everyone that opposes hunting and doesnt eat meat is a woman) There are some other aspects that one could argue are more related to biology (for example men like cars because their minds are more oriented to mechanical stuff) but still most of the ideas surrounding what a man is and in what way he should behave is a construct.

But the fact that is a construct doesnt mean it should be changed.

The only animal that was found to be truly homosexual was domesticated male sheep. All other instances of "homosexuality" in the animal kingdom have nothing to to with attraction and are usually a form of dominance. We just percieve it to be gay.

>>126927289
Well, if the entire species was homosexual, there would be no species. But there are animals who don't sexually engage with the opposite sex, e.g. penguins.

Er... and that's a flawed argument. All the OP's trying to point out is that genetical/biological arguments against homosexuality or its existence are wrong.

Regarding that last point, oh boy... no one needs to *tell* us what we're doing is perfectly normal. We've grown all our lives knowing that, just by the act of observation. Now a little legal protection against discrimination doesn't hurt anyone, SPECIALLY heterosexuals. We don't hurt you in any way. Why the rage by some ppl? (I'm not even starting with not make homosexuality illegal because that's just plainly absurd.) If you that's about the recent upbringing of homosexuality into the media and stuff, I think it's just to educate masses that we are not monsters. If ppl don't a get a bit of a sense of how "normal" we are, then let's go back to the 80s where my ass would be kicked just by walking out the door.

Everyone positing infanticide as part of some argument is giving a reaction based on emotion, and thus stoops to sjw levels.
Infanticide is also common in humans, from the lowest pleb crazies to high level royalty power plays... it's just part of nature.

>>126922075
Of course you had to be German, a country where the precentage of homosexuals rose to 52% in man!
Well done krauts
clap clap

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>>126922075
>tfw no socially constructed gf(female)

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>>126929035
>gender
The word needs scrubbed from vocabulary. The word sex (not the act but the designation) makes the word gender superfluous

>>126929234
Fuck you leaf.
Girls should wear pink because it makes them hot as fuck.
Evolution told us so.

>>126928703
Chill out bro. Don't get that anti-gay rage. I can do whatever I want with my dick and my asshole as long as there consent between parties. How would that annoy you in any way? (Assuming you are not one of the parties, ofc)

>>126927437
It makes sense. Oddly enough, monogamy IS literally a social construct. It's a social technology that allows beta males to have a mate and reproduce so they have some stake in continuing the existing civilization. Sexual fluidity in human females is likely a evolutionary adaptation for social bonding within a group of women sharing an alpha male.

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>>126923018
This, close this thread.

>>126922075

You seen two male birds build a nest and live there?

>>126929358
Yes because Lisbon is SOOOOO straight. Lulz

>>126929817
>>126929234
Also, not leaf, but almost.

>>126922075
>there is no "naturality" argument for heterosexuality
Reproduction is required for continuation of the species.

You are also engaging in a postmodernist semantic argument. Every word in existence is a "social construct," so you can claim anything is a social contrust because words used to express them. You could also argue that "homophobia" is a social contruct and that the judgement that homophobia is wrong can also be framed as oppressing marginalized beliefs

Also your argument was about sexuality not gender even though you mentioned gender.

>>126922075

>germany

figures

listen hans, you can identify as whatever but chromosomes and sex organs are pretty defined and rigid.

your penis doesnt just morph into a vag, you know?

>>126929817
I thought you were looking for a serious answer, my mistake.

>>126922939
Animals in the wild that fuck the same sex do not reproduce

>>126922075
Shill.jpg

>>126929968
The term "social construct" is also a social construct.

why would you not define someone by their sex?

when you see an apple at the grocery store, it's an apple. it doesnt suddenly become an orange because you FEEL it's an orange.

>>126922075
>102 replies
make that 103 haha lmfao smdh

>>126927932
missing teeth is good for bj

>>126922075
Male + female = offspring

The only purpose of life is to sustain life itself

Anything besides that are abnormalities.

Kys

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>>126922075
if "gender" is a social construct then OP is really just an AI

>>126928703
"Gender" was term invented to be synonymous with "sex" at a time when "sex" was not a word that was used in polite company. This was a time when furniture were referred to as halving "limbs' because the word "leg' was considered to be sexual innuendo.

>>126922984
What other person?

>>126922344

Wearing different kinds of fabric, shaving your beard or working in the sabbath are also degenerate according to God's Bible.

But I guess this is the part where you turn a blind eye to these things that are convenient to you while you keep the facade of being an upstanding christian, isn't it?

>>126930204
Yes. Purpose of life is its existence. Common to all systems - its reproduction. However, we aren't *just* life but also a society. What's the purpose of a society?

>>126922075
>dog starts humping your leg
Wow, animals can be legsexual

>dog starts humping a stuffed animal
Wow, animals can be furries

>dog deepthroats itself
Wow, I guess dogs are self-kin

Or maybe animals lack the self control to care how they get their rocks off? They also eat their own shit, too, and it doesn't lead to scat fetish acceptance marches.

Yet.

>>126922410
>>126922410
Came here to post this.

A "sexologist" stole it from language arts in the 1950s. It's a made up word. It has no lasting meaning.

>>126922395

Animals also rape each other as a sign of dominance, not because they're gay

There is no way to argue in support of homosexuality without fallacies

Gays just need to say they enjoy putting their dickd in other men's shitter and stop trying to justify it

>>126922075
You're confusing gender and sexuality

They're two different things

You can be a faggot and male
You can't be a female and be a faggot
You can be a dyke and female
You can't be a make and be a dyke

I don't care what tumblr says

>>126930319
I said "or evolution, your choice" specifically to address this

>>126930137
what if you are robbed by a human with tits, long hair and a dress, (you dont see its face) are you going to tell the police you were robbed by a man or a woman?

You are going to tell them it was a woman, even if you dont know for certain if he had a dick. Thats why sex is different than gender.

>>126922075
read The Selfish Gene

>>126930365
No one tries to justify it. People are just trying to protect them from being discriminated or having their ass kicked.

we don't really need to talk about this. even if it is a social construct male/female are the only successful genders. you can make up as many genders as you want and there might have been communities in the past who decided to identify with other genders, but they're dead because patriarchy is success. we can't allow failures to run our culture.

>>126922075
you are aware that you advocating for more animalistic behaviour among humans? eat shit, literally

>>126922075
>muh animals eat ther own shit therefore it is natural behavior for humans...

And they say germans are highly educated people... Fuck you, Hanz.

>>126929989
Are you not serious?
Why do you think girls wearing pink is evolutionary win?
Because it almost makes them look naked (if they're white, that is).

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>>126922075
Some animals eat their shit, some animals eat their young, some animals eat their partners after they mate, some animals hump furniture, some animals, throw poop, some animals display cannibalism, and so on and so on. Basically if you succumb to this retarded non argument that "animals do it" you will then accept anything. I used to not believe it but the slippery slope is 100% real. Also do you pander to each and every single degree of this "spectrum" legally? They are mentally ill and that's that.

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>>126922075

oh look another retard

>>126922075
I don't care what that is. I'd let it suck my cock. A mouth is a mouth.

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>>126929830
Your kind spreads disease and degeneracy and pushes your mental illness seemingly as virtous and natural, subverting, confusing, corrupting youth. You have no purpose in life and disrespect the natural order.

There are no true homosexuals even in animals, a baser creature than man. Yes, they fuck to fuck And it may be with the same sex, but that's only because they don't know any better as they posses an innate urge to get off (therefore engaging in reproduction ultimately). Humans are capable of higher reasoning, therefore understanding the uselessness of homosexuality. It is only for those with mental disorders.

By all means though, do it because you won't reproduce and be out of the genepool... But don't push your disease.

I wholly believe you people should be kept away from children, especially kept from "raising" them

>>126930338
Scat acceptance would have been next, but they had to move pedophilia up on the agenda because Pizza.

>>126930539
You are hadly able to grasp the laws of causation/correlation, so tell me again about success and failure, please.

>>126922075
The fact that animals can be fags has nothing to do with gender. Every human has a chromosome pair that defines their gender. XX for women XY for men. There are some exceptions for this, for example a birth defects can lead to an XXY chromosome 'pair'. In these cases gender isn't binary, but the overwhelming majority of people either way have XX or XY chromosomes. Because gender is based on chromosome pairs in a persons DNA, I say that gender is natural. Because the overwhelming majority of people have one of two possible combinations of chromosomes, I say gender is binary.

>>126930807
Kek, I was never under the impression the slippery slope wasn't true. Ever heard "give them an inch, and they'll take a mile?" Old people don't repeat shit like that for no reason. Things can and will snowball if allowed to.

>>126930712
There is no evolutionary reason for those colors, if you think pink is related to nakedness, then what evolutionary reason would we have to give boys the color blue?

Also, the relationship between color and gender is less than 200 years old btw.

>>126930276
Very enlightening, thank you very much for this tidbit of knowledge anon

So is the term sex more accurately used to describe the act or the anatomy?
Thanks again, you are awesome.

what if its both

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>>126922075
>but the fact that homo- and bisexuality are widespread in the animal world really made me think...
Oh yeah, another one of those (((facts))) helpfully consensus'd into the malleable brains of children by (((educators))). Like ""global warming"". (Never mind that we'd just had the coldest spring in centuries, don't look behind the curtain, that's just 'weather', not 'climate'. Unless we have an unusually hot afternoon one day, then it's literally the sky falling.)

>>126922075
Things that are also common in the animal world:
>bestiality
>shit eating
>piss drinking
>cannibalism
>pedofilia
>rape
>necrofilia

>>126928419
>at this point i dont really care.
Women make it so easy for trannies to score a boyfriend. Good luck, anon. You deserve a hot meal at the end of the day, and a warm bed, just like anybody else. Don't let /pol/ make you miserable.

>>126922075
Only one combination of male/female can reproduce, that's all there is too it.

>>126930432

so if you dress like batman, are you suddenly batman?

representation != reality

>>126931209
It's still prevallent.
As a white kid, I like girls that wear pink dresses.
Let me tell you, that never happens if I don't specifically ask for it.
You fuckers have made it impossible for women to wear simple dresses, because you made it a symbol of oppression.

>>126930964
Let me get this straight (no pun intended). Are you implying that the sole purpose of life *is* to reproduce? Only that? According to your standard of life's purpose, I guess you'd be totally ok with a dystopic society where humans would be confined reproductive warehouses. Something like TRX.

Moreover, and let's say I'm totally fine with your definition of homosexuality as a mental illness - I am. But how is that mental illness corrupting other ppl? I'm eager for a response. Go tell that to all homosexuals who are out there in science, industry and medicine trying to push your life standards higher.

Oh, and btw, your argument - "humans are capable of higher reasoning and THUS don't need to engage in homosexuality" - would ONLY be valid if there was already some sort of mechanism by which one could turn oneself into heterosexual. Up until there, I'm sorry friend, there's not even a possibility of choosing. So, I'm just going to keep sticking it into assholes. Oh, and very pleased about that.

>>126922075
>What if gender really IS a social construct?

The word Gender in my motherlanguage also means GENITAL.
So no it's based on biology.

Gender ROLES are a construct based around human society however.

>>126929913
Are you comparing a city to a whole country you dumb fuck?!!?
By the way the precentage of homosexuality is not that high even in Lisbon, I do not know where you got that bogus info from...But well what can we expect from a non country cucked to the teeth?!?
Go back under mohamads skirt, ladyboy

>>126930982
where's the burgeoning evidence of successful third genders? what's your argument other than a strawman?

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>>126929302
You are wrong
It isn't perfectly normal
Again, I state fact
It is AGAINST natural order
No animals afaik other than male sheep I guess partner up with solely the same sex and again, we are talking about baser creatures, their homosexuality can be waived away and explained due to this. You on the other hand harm society.
It should be frowned upon and not praised. Keep it to yourself and I couldn't care less, although still disapproving, you are a free man.

>>126932067
So what do the words 'what if really is a social and contract' mean in your language?

That's right -- not the same thing they do in english. Your argument is as retarded as if I said all french perfume was from a toilet because it's called eau de toilet.

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>>126922075
>"all sex-related characteristics..."
>large or small gonads producing related large or small gametes(sex cells)
>"... a human invention(e.g. social construct)"

it's childish semantics versus biology. The folks so keenly focused on these arguments are making (poor) attempts to subvert and redefine words to win fairly meaningless debates and social arguments.

People who actually have legitimate body and self-image issues try to blend in, they're not the attention whores we're seeing now from tumblr. People who have actual chromosomal disorders like XXX and XXY profiles don't broadcast their condition, and pick one side of the gender fence to sit on, and don't want extra attention for it.

It's just like Gamergate, a proxy culture war over meaningless minutae that's a dry run for more serious social upheaval. The people pushing for "trans bathroom laws" don't really care, they just want to refine their techniques and timetables for pushing something REALLY degenerate, like child age of consent laws later.

>>126922075
Rape, cuckoldry, torture, theft, and all manner of other evils are also widespread in the animal world.

>>126932144
No, I was just pointing the fact that Lisbon is pretty much becoming an established pink spot in the gay tourism industry. (Shh wait for it, someday you'll be like Tel Aviv or Barcelona.) And I'm eager to know where you did get those stats.
Oh and I do know so because I'm portuguese and I've lived in every city from Lisbon to Oporto. Portugal is indeed a very gay friendly country, which I'm actually very proud of.

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>>126930976
Not the sole purpose but a primary one to further the species. A critical exercise whereas yours is futile, only for pleasure. I am phoneposting and dealing with other things atm, so please don't get pedantic.
Will reply again soom

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For shits sake! Homosexuality and all that crap are sexual ORIENTATIONS, not genders.

>>126931890
Homos do corrupt youth. Can you concede it may be confusing to youth? OP is obviously confused, why is that?

Confusion can act as the carrier to subversion

gender IS a social construct, retard. biological sex is not the same as gender. gender is literally a concept invented from observations of human social interactions.

>>126931890
Every homosexual is also a pedophile molester. Every. Single. One.

>>126931890
Reply to your last paragraph I don't fully grasp butnill state h8mos only are h8mo because a) it's mental b) they seek pleasure and cant get oppo sex c) rebellion/subversion/indoctrination

>>126922344
except some species doesn't work that way.

male + female sexual reproduction is the most common way to procreate, because nature found out that gene mixing is good and that it is the most simple way to insure gene mixing generation from generation.

but evolution, by its very nature, always find a way, gene mixing means that everyone is unique, so everybody is kinda "anormal", for the best or the worst, and that's why it's good to gene mix, because anormal people may end up being superior.

so maybe we should listen to people who doesn't feel either male or woman.

>>126932866
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT

also fubs confirm

death to sodom and gomorrha

>>126931758
1) Improve your reading comprehension, im not against the social construct of pink = woman. Im just saying its a social construct.
2) The skirts being a female dress is also a social construct, unless you also have a evolutionary explanation about why men wear pants and woman dresses.

>>126922075
There is no homosexuality in the animal world. Any male animal that fucks another male of the species would ALSO fuck a female. At most, there is only bisexuality. There are two states:

1. Animal will fuck only a female of its own species
2. Animal will fuck anything, male, female.
*There are extremely isolated cases of animals fucking other species, but usually only with a human trying to get it to happen.

>>126922075
Well that's a nice trite postmodernist argument that ignores the uselessness of homosexuality in the animal kingdom (assuming you're not cherry picking certain great apes that engage in what might be seen as homosexuality but is actually prostration in otherwise heterosexual groups). Speaking of our close ancestors, did you know "in nature" chimps beat rivals to death with their fists and occasionally with branches? Sometimes they'll even canibalise the dead flesh. Can we be morally vindicated through nature to do that to homosexuals? By postmodern homo-logic it would only be ... natural

>>126933208
Yeah, but if it can't bring an offspring ,it 's fucking useless.
Face it already.
Human are sexual beings.
Evolution chose this path for us.
The fat that people are unsure about it, for whatever reason, shouldn't keep you from the truth.
Homosex people don't get kids.
That's about it.

>>126933205
Er... a) it's correct - isn't all sexuality mental in some way. Pleasure is embedded in a cognitive pleasure structure. But let's skip that and agree to your line of reasoning for argument purposes. Assuming that yes, it's a) (which I've already conceded in last thread), we seek sexual pleasure and emotion like everyone else. So, unless there is a mechanism by which we could turn straight, what can we do about it? Collective suicide just to please you?!

>>126922075
Gender is a social construct but for biologically efficient reasons.
Any attempt trying to make women shitter versions of men is going against gorillions of years of evolution which is why anyone that argues against these social constructs is a marxist that should drive 88 mph with the delorean and into a 1940s german oven.

>>126933492
>The skirts being a female dress
Invoking every fucking jpeg of men wearing dresses.
It just suits their anatomy.

>>126928175
It is? Ffs, it's getting hard to tell nowadays. This needs to stop

>>126922075
fem?

>>126933949
Scottish men wear skirts, because its acceptable in their culture to do so, because the idea of skirt=female is a cultural thing, therefore social construct.

>>126922293
> Italian science
There's more to XX and XY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system

>>126922075
dont care
you go ahead fuck whoever you want, im still not banging dudes or traps

>>126933137
Why?
>>126932975
How is the youth confused? When I was 10 I already did know I was gay. I was not very confused. Fuck, even if I was, it by seeing all straight propaganda and an heteronormative society and friends which just reinforced how different I was everyday. But there was nothing I could to change so. Homosexual trends are natural; they aren't propagated by media. Media may have a role in some pleasure discovery by ppl that would otherwise stay straight all their lives but if they truly are straight, then they'll end up with a woman.

>>126922075

Agreed.

Gender is a social construct. It doesn't exist. There's only two sexes - male or female.

>>126922075
NAME

>>126922075
If it really was, we wouldnt have a discussion about it.

>>126922075
Then construct yourself gay and go suck a dick. Degenerate.

>>126934134
Well I meant dresses.
It's a shame really.
That type of clothes has been all but banned in wester civilization.
I personally think it make women look their best, but it may just be me.
You never see them unless it's a wedding.

>>126922075
>the fact that homo- and bisexuality are widespread in the animal world
Not widespread

Happens but rare

>>126933208
degenerative is not mixing. a male can't mate with a male

>>126933625
there are also malfunctions and diseases in the animal world

>>126922395
Animals in the wild eat their babies too.
Dont be a faggot. Its not natural to seek samesex partners and invest all the energy to dump their dna into a poophole with zero chance of passing on your genes.
If you dont already know its about life ,let me school you.Survival of the fittest and passing on your genes is the ultimate goal. Take alaskan salmon for example.

>>126934426
Agreed, i feel the same way, but there is nothing we can do about it since there is no logical argument to defend that sort of things. What we need to do is fight to defend the "social constructs" that actually do matter (and are mostly based on nature/evolution) for example the role of the man/woman in the family structure.

>>126925830
They're only separate concepts to left wing activists.

>>126922075

What if society is a gender construct?

>>126935014

It is, in fact.

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>>126926302
Kys

>>126922075
What if you really ARE a faggot nigger?

>>126934904
And incest, and when I was a kid my hamster ate her babies. Appeal to nature doesn't work for civilized persons , OP is, as usual, a fag

>>126924344
natural is order of which things would occur naturally. as in, in nature. until babies are made in a laboratory - females are no longer needed nor are males, and people are somehow able to fulfill motherly and fatherly roles as naturally would be done while having only one combined gender without screwing up their children while going to work and earning money, then good luck

You sound like quite the progressive. you just perfectly defined the postmodern deconstructionism that is plaguing mankind. The next step would be to say there are no universal truths. Quite the fiendish ideology. Now please kindly throw yourself into the nearest oven.

>>126922075

Bisexuality and homosexuality are gender constructs. They dont exist outside the minds of humans.

>>126934152
traps aren't gay

>>126923879
Jews are not white and you're a retarded leafy nigger

>>126924882
can you test it with other animals? can you test it with people that havent been previously exposed to social constructs? well there u go, its not social construct its naturally how people are , because even if something were social construct, if it stuck around for tens of thousands of years, it would infact become natural, because the people who would perform best to these social standards would be most likely to reproduce - thus it would indeed become natural.

>>126922075
>the fact that homo- and bisexuality are widespread in the animal world
Where does this fact come from? I've always read that there is second to none homosexuality among animals. I think I read once about some gay penguin in a zoo but that's about it. I may be wrong though, that's why I'm asking.

>>126934972
Or, you know, you could tell women it suits them.
Which is the truth and doesn't have to qualify as sexual harassment.
I don't even think about how girls that agree with it would be my prey(I'm a male after all)
It's just that I think it would make my everyday life much easier not having to guess if that female is a fucking libtard or not.

>>126922075
homosexuality is a defect because a homosexual person cannot perpetuate the most basic goal of the human race - to procreate.

There are individuals with this defect, just like a glitch in a code, but it doesn’t not mean we should encourage it. Let them live their lives, give them rights, but don’t let them "bully" the majority.

>>126934189
>Homosexual trends are natural; they aren't propagated by media
you're clueless senpai.

>>126927149
Wherever you want it to be, he isn't obstructing you from doing any human

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>>126933208
>maybe we should listen to people who doesn't feel either male or woman
Clean your room. Read the classics. You can start with Elizabethan poet John Donne. He's a bit loose with form--to be expected of a fiery lover. But you'll never coat your tongue in silver unless you learn from the best. Do you have a fire in you, anon?

>>126936008
I mean natural as biological, inherent to the individual that is born with them. Read the rest of the thread and you'll understand what I meant non propagation by the media. Btw, I think that *this* is something you cannot refute, given that (I assume) you never were influenced by the media to be gay.

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SHILL THREAD. 2 POST BY OP. WRITE SAGE IN OPTIONS FIELD IF YOU MUST REPLY. DUMB FUCKING DISCUSSION. SHILL THREAD.
>>126918039

>>126933205
I am replying to both your replies here. Kids are being confused by this stuff at early ages. 3 year olds being forced into "roles" of the opposite sex if you will (sorry short on time pl3ase don't nitpick choice of words) I am not saying you are responsible, but the homosexual agenda and the like

And no I don't want to see you hurt at all. I would like your prefences to be toned down. I wouldn't be upset if under your own accord all people like you lived on an island somewhere else though. I don't mean to disrespect nor belittle or be smug. I don't hate you personally. You seem like you have a good on your shoulders despite your mental situation. It could be a genetic disorder, you shouldn't be penalized for that. It's just I'm frankly sick of this push and I know where it leads.

You might be a good person but this trend isn't innocent, society is threatened as silly as it sounds at face value.

>>126931292
"Sex" was a clinical term for both the act and and anatomy. Since it could mean both, it wasn't appropriate for use in "polite' conversation. So the term "gender" became a more acceptable word for the physical anatomy without also meaning the physical act.

>>126936346
I think that I grew up with proper role models so that I knew not to be influenced by the media. I'm not of the mind that sexuality is inherent to the individual. I think a homosexual is someone who chooses to engage in homosexual sexual acts. I'm not a homosexual because I've never done anything like that. I don't think I was "born straight".

>>126922763
BUMP

>>126922075
>two posts by this jew

really activates my almonds into thinking kikes are pushing subversive threads all day at pol

>>126933753
I'll state again, I don't want you dead. You still have things to offer society, so long as you don't detract from it any more! I actually like you and think you are very agreeable for the most part and level headed. For that I respect you as a human being. I also wholly support your freedom of choice with your body.

>>126922075
Sexual attraction and gender are two separate things. Baring any birth defects you are either male or female at birth. One of the only two genders.

Human sexuality is complex. And we've advanced enough to where biological gender and heterosexuality doesn't really mean anything. But there are still only two genders.

>>126932733
Can you provide any sources to prove you are not full of shit?!?
Pro tip: You can't faggot
You are just spreading rumours based on your faggotry.
Kill yourself unhuman bastard

fucking faggot go kill yourself, yes deviancy also happens in the animal world, and guess what ? It gets weeded out. Being gay is anti-life so it cannot be a positive thing in that context, that's why gays' way of life is so disgusting.

>>126922075
A few problems with this.

1. Your flag.

2. No sources.

3. Maybe you're so weak and pathetic in your lack of manliness that you're looking for excuses to justify it. You dishonor yourself.

>>126936637
Thanks again informativanon, you're the best. Very coherent explanations.

>>126922075
Gender norms, yes. There are two sexes, but I'm not sere were intersex people stand.

feminism is literally a social construct. it's point is to progress society and it would have never started without society.

>>126937442
being masculine benefits you in nature which has nothing to do with society so people who say that are retarded as fuck

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>>126936346
Oops, meant to reply to you but replied to myself above. Read it if you care to. I am being nice and level headed I promise.

Gotta run but I wanted to take a second to wish you the best in life, you seem like a good person.

intersex is nothing, it is a fluke.

>>126922075
If gender really is a social construct, all the more reason to fight for it. Look at what happens without social constructs.

>>126922075
Is it /lgbt/s that time of the month again?

>>126922075
>Turns out, there is no "naturality" argument for heterosexuality.

I just came here to call you a fucking moron.

>>126936596
Who is being forced into roles? Last time I checked majority of couples I know still dresses their male kids with blue and their female kids with pink. Last time I checked majority of couples in Hollywood and the media are straight. So how is any straight kid being forced into any role? (Please don't tell me you know a couple that dresses its kid as a girl.)

What?! So should we live in an island like separated from our friends and family? Kind of a pink East Germany? And that wouldn't cure the "problem" (only problematic according to you, but let's go with it). Homosexuals will still exist in your idillic gay free world - children will be burn that will be gays and there are a lot of gays married and with children (oh boy do I know that).

And please do answer to me. How do you know? I concede the fact that some societies throughout History showed degenerative behaviours alongside their internal collapse - among them gay behaviours. A quick logic test however would tell you that still, no, that doesn't mean a causal relation homosexuality - society collapse.

Society is threatened NOT by gays, but by environmental destruction, an explosive demographic timebomb and an increasing mind boggling inequality.

>>126937442
>>126937582
does anyone think it's a coincidence that as technology progresses and we get farther way from nature and society progresses that feminism becomes more prevalent? how can you argue feminism isn't a social construct?

>>126937934
>Who is being forced into roles? Last time I checked majority of couples I know still dresses their male kids with blue and their female kids with pink. Last time I checked majority of couples in Hollywood and the media are straight. So how is any straight kid being forced into any role? (Please don't tell me you know a couple that dresses its kid as a girl.)
that's exactly the point. there should be no question about what your gender role is by the time you're an adult. that's what being well adjusted is.

>an explosive demographic timebomb and an increasing mind boggling inequality.
we agree there. doesn't mean that i'm going to change my mind about faggots because some things are worse.

>>126922075
Gender is a grammatical construct. The term does not apply to people at all.

>>126934374
Mia Alves

>>126937934
Anon, what's your view on pedophilia/necrophilia?

>>126937003
Não. Já li artigos e tenho conhecimento de bastantes gays que gostam bastante de viajar internacionalmente. Destinos bastante estabelecidos como RJ, Tel Aviv ou Barcelona já estão há anos no catálogo. Lisboa é um deles, também um bocado consequência da fúria portuguesa em se tornar um hot spot turístico e hipster. Quanto ao resto dos meus pontos, um salto de fé aliado a experiência pessoal/de terceiros e feedback de estrangeiros ou até progressismo legislativo. E acalma-te. Julgo estarmos a discutir racionalmente na internet. Gostaria que não houvesse recurso a insulto fácil.

>>126922075
>no natural argument for heterosexuality
>nature and procreation

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>>126922075
yes goyim lets go down that slippery slope...btw you need those migrants because your birthrates are down...yeahhhh of coursshhheee

Women should wear robes, and that's my take on the whole thing.
Right now, they're just not allowed. It's basically become like saying 'I'm a slave to men'.
Fucking feminism literally banned elegancy.
Now we're just going to the next miniskirt slut asking ourself if she's a catch.

>>126931890
>Are you implying that the sole purpose of life *is* to reproduce?
Human life is more complex than that. We are sentient thinking creatures who are aware of our own existence with some measure of control over it. At a basic biological level, though, life either reproduces or dies out. You consciousness, your self awareness is simply an evolutionary adaptation that increases the survival chances of the individual and the species as a whole. And it works fantastically well, since humans are the most successful large mammal that has ever lived. Breeding warehouses would be counter productive to continued human existence in the long term because humans could not self select their reproductive partners. Homosexuality in and of itself is not a corrupting influence, and homosexuals should not be persecuted. As a whole, western civilization is well past that point. What is corrupting to civilization as a whole is the general collapse of masculine behavior and the demontization of separate gender roles. That is the historical sign of a civilitation of a society in the final stages of decay. At this point, it either collapses from within or is overrun by a younger, more vibrant civilization. The current young, vibrant civilization is Islam. And while Islam hypocritically allows homosexuality to be practiced covertly, and attempt to bring it into the main stream is met with execution. Considering where your posting from, I would be quite concerned about the Izlamization of Europe. There may be a point in the near future where you are openly persecuted if you do not work to bolster your own civilization.

>>126938344
I guess it's the same as everyone's. Even though I do feel pity for a lot of pedos, after some articles I've read. I can't imagine what it's like your major sexual attraction be towards something that you know its consummation would turn you into a monster. Or living all your life knowing a) you're a monster, b) there's no escape from that, c) not able to have sex with the one thing you crave and d) the feeling will only get worse. It's sad. But it's also a very different matter.

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>>126922075
Plastic surgery is social constructed.

This 'characteristics' are enhanced.

Girls inject things on lips, put hair on eye leads, do some shit on bone-chick, hair extension...

Put all that shit on a 10/10 you have a hyper sexualized ketamine-alluring girl.

'Feminine' is a social construct.

The sex lies between male/female.

Whatever else should not be anyone else business...

You can't social construct a lip injection.

>>126939156
it's the same, really. anything outside of heterosexual sex for the purpose of procreation needs to be discouraged by society.

>>126938264
>girl
who fucking cares, what a disappointment...

>>126922075
I'm fine bu that: If gender were a social construct, then you couldn't be born into the "wrong" gender. Faggots can just suck it up (no pun intended).
Law, crime, morality, etiquette, and decency are all social constructs: they still serve their purpose.

>>126937269
You're welcome.

>>126922075
rape is prevalent in the animal world. i think we should do as animals do and rape every bitch we see.

>>126939766
Good point.
Most things in our society are in fact social constructs; that doesn't mean they're not important.

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>>126922075
No, not really. To assume that you need to make the naturalistic fallacy yourself, and assume what is natural is good. Whether homosexuality, bisexuality, whatever have a genetic basis has no standing on whether they are morally acceptable behaviours. Is dying of dysentry okay because it's natural? Is rape okay because it propagates your genes, giving the highest possible chance of continuing your line?

Gender is a social construct regardless - it's a social manifestation of biological differences between men and women (cognitive functions, testosterone in relation to white matter and math skills, different average strength, size, reaction times, empathy, etc etc) which serves to build a more cohesive society by predefining sets for us to fall (more or less accurately) into. LGBT are an exception, not a rule

>>126939480
Just draw a penis on her with MS paint if you're that much of a faggot desu

>>126934147
>mutations and defects are not treated as normal
How many fingers do humans have? It can't be 10, because I know a guy who was borne with 11 fingers!

>>126938750
Your thread did put a smile on my face by the sole fact that it was the first intelligent and structured argument I've read so far.
And yes, I do know that reproductive warehouses was not at least from a fitting genepool beneficial. I was trying to illustrate a point on how reproduction should not be the sole purpose of a human's life.

But allow me to counterpoint your last argument. There is not a demonization of separate gender roles - only space for people that don't themselves fit into male or female boxes NOT to be persecutted; which is a small fraction of the whole human population, so for general purposes, it should not matter. It does matter however as an incentive to liberty. Moreover, I would question that sign. Historically, yes, civilization collapse showed some *correlation* with lax gender roles. However, a) correlation does not mean causation, b) there was a correlation with plenty of other factors, e.g. environmental decay, economic inequality, sub-replacement fertility or malthusian disasters. Unfortunately, yes, the West is coming across all of them.

>>126922075
What if your dick is a social construct ? It would explain why nobody wants it. Sucker.

>>126929910
Among low status males who can't get mates of some bird species, this sometimes happens. It is not so much homosexuality in the human sense, but expressing a deep seated instinctual drive that the animal must respond to, even if it means building a nest with another male and acting out reproductive behavior. It's more or less the same reason a horny male dog will hump you leg if there's no bitch in heat to satisfy that urge. No one suggests the dog prefers the leg over the female.But it's what will do in a pinch. This sort of behavior explains the majority of "homosexual" behavior in the animal kingdom and even apparent male bisexual behavior among incarcerated humans. This is behaviorally different from free human males who actually prefer other men, often from an early age when they first become aware of their sexuality.

>>126940709
as a homosexual you are here to protect your identity as a homosexual and you choose to operate within language categories that don't allow you to accept criticism. this is a problem that the left creates and that homosexuals need in order to function.

>>126922075
>homo- and bisexuality are widespread in the animal world
No they're not, you dysfunctional asshole.

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>>126922075
>tfw having an non-indo-european language where there is no such word as 'gender'

>>126941023
Not a smart response. Read the thread that that thread was a response to and you'll realize that my homosexual identity had already been banned off from the argument. I was referring to gender separation, which is not quite the same as homosexuality acceptance.

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>What if gender really IS a social construct?

Is your hair standing straight up from static?

>>126940146
>faggot
traps

aren't

gay

>>126939156
Why would they think of themselves as monsters? Just because society thinks they are degenerates? That what they do isn't normal/natural? Sounds familiar?
You do realize that pedophilia/necrophilia is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality, right? Why do you think those are different matters?
There are a lot of different orientations/fetishes on this planet. Just because in your case, both parties can be adults/consenting, doesn't really make you any different from them. Just because your anomaly is more widespread, doesn't mean it's better/acceptable.

>>126941585
mike pence is an alien from Xortulb-15 he knows nothing of gender

>>126922075
What is even a social construct?

>>126922075
You know what else is commonplace in the natural world? Eating one's offspring. Should the concept of family be discarded as well for being a social construct?

Nobody else few homosexuality as an evolutionary mechanism to deal with overpopulation and over taxed resources ?

Shit the way we're going it wont be long before we'll be custom building kids to be faggots in utero to maintain a stable population

>>126941591
>traps
>aren't
>gay
You need to get gassed faggot.

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Listen nature in animals is fkin different compared to humans u autistic beautiful homo sapien-ish.

From a biological p.o.v. Homosexuallity would be extremely un-needed and unadaptable espically when we give such low birthrates compared to other species like rabbits, the son can fk his brother they dont care.


From a scientific view, homosexuality is un-natural and you only develop your sexuality during your puberty because you cant be born with a mindset. Being born with a mindset is like saying "my son is going to love maths and science like I do".


Use logical thinking and you see how weird it really is.

>>126941664
ALSO BECAUSE SOCIETY THINKS THEY ARE DEGENERATES! Wtf man? Most of gay people pass all their childhood with self esteem and self acceptance problems because they see everyone getting along, having sex, cute couples on tv and we look at the mirror and ask why the fuck are we different. So, that's also a reason.
But yes. Consent for me is a sine qua non condition on which we should judge sexual matters. A pedo cannot play by that because, even if it exists, is with an individual who is not yet in its full rational decision making powers. So please, don't put everything in the same bag.

>>126922075
>Look children, an Eternal Kraut is here!

>>126931068
Part of the sudden push for transgender acceptance is entirely political. The Left had a nice, solid cause with Gay Marriage. Which the Supreme Court pulled right out from under them. Which meant the Left had to come up with another cause to rally the troops around. The problem was that the build up to gay acceptance took more than three decades of gradual ramping up in media with the occasional gay rights episode in a regular series to shows like Ellen and Will & Grace and finally shows like Modern Family where gay characters were an accepted part of an ensemble cast that included heterosexual couples. When the Supreme Court legalized Gay Marriage, with a few exceptions, the general reaction of the country at large was indifference. The Transgender acceptance push did not have a gradual multi decade buildup. For the vast majority of America, the Transgender thing came out of nowhere. Suddenly Bruce Jenner was Kaitlin and the federal government was saying men dressed as women could go to the same bathroom as your little girl. With out decades of gradual indoctrination to pave the way, people freaked the fuck out.

>>126922075

Rape is widespread also anon. Plus women orgasm from it.

Does that mean the "no rape argument" is not natural? And if consent is a meme why should we respect it?

It is.
Society was funded on that idea.
You try and change shit and you're shitting on centuries worth of society, culture and traditions.
In a word our heritage.

Leave the world as it is.

>>126942150
why the hate?

>>126941439
>Read the thread that that thread was a response to and you'll realize that my homosexual identity had already been banned off from the argument
>thread
we call them posts here, buddy. you're trying to argue that procreation isn't a major factor of life. but it is. humanity and our successors are the people who procreate, not the homosexuals. this is the problem you have. you don't care about the collapse and aren't willing to sacrifice what to you is the most important part of your life, fucking men, in order to perpetuate the image of success to humanity and discourage degeneracy. always about persecution with you faggots. homosexuality should be discouraged heavily. we don't want a space for you.

>>126928268

They do not get a gender. They get put down.

>>126942719
Because you are mentally ill, why are you asking people to feed into your delusion that liking men as a man isnt gay?

You need to get gassed for the sake of humanity.

>>126942863
sorry that your too insecure

>>126922075
Genes ain't. That's enough for me.

>>126942746
would you sacrifice women?

who we? ahahah reality check - majority of society doesn't seem to agree w/ you.

>>126923018
>People are not animals.
yes we are, we are more evolved than rest, that doesn't make us non-animals. But comparing ourselves to other animals as an argument is a fallacy yes, just because, we're ahead of the rest in many aspects.

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>>126922075

>>126942962
>insecure
You are gay and your genes are a dead end, at least have the decency, for the good of mankind, to kill yourself.

>>126943277
your rage confirms your insecurity, seek help

>>126922939
In the ancient world most people were bi, but no one paid any attention.
Some places like slSparta outlawed being gay, and others like Athens allowed it.
Homophobia didn't start till the catholic church started making up bs rules.

>>126943073
>would you sacrifice women?
what does that mean?

>who we? ahahah reality check - majority of society doesn't seem to agree w/ you.
oh that really fucks my head. i'm disgusted that the majority of society are people for whom language is something they use to justify their feelings of reality.

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>>126922075

i hope anyone will actually read this because my idea on this whole gender thing i think is pretty solid
i mean just think for a minute if you had never seen another woman in your life would you feel the need to be a woman ? is this just an unhealthy obsession of envy ?
maybe its the mannerisms some people have and they think these belong to this group but since im this group maybe im trans
i honestly believe if it was unanimously accepted and ok for some guys to be more feminine and some girls to be more masculine then there wouldnt be any trans people

i want to feel pretty but im straight and a guy but its not ok for guys to wear makeup and maybe put on a dress --- now here i can tell such preferences are belonging to mostly females but im not fucked in the head and can differentiate between reality and fiction but for those that cant they end up saying theyre trans and putting on a dress anyways because they actually think theyre a girl in a mans body rather than finding something that works with the body they have already

all in all i simply think there would be no issues of gender if it was widely accepted that some guys just arent very masculine and some girls just arent very feminine

>>126934962
It's not the ultimate goal. It is just that species that are good at passing on genes are more present. There is no goal

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>>126922344
The only correct answer forth pbp

>>126943378
>a person with a mental illness telling others to seek help
You first, Pence has the cure for folks like yourself.

>>126943485
>you don't care about the collapse and aren't willing to sacrifice what to you is the most important part of your life, fucking men, in order to perpetuate the image of success to humanity and discourage degeneracy

Given this, let's make an hypothetical exercise. Let's switch position and male-male sexual interaction produces offsprings from now on, but not heterosexual. Would you, as a fucking sexual being that chases vaginas and boobs, would sacrifice it in the name of *civilization*? (When that point is not still clarified but ok.)

>>126944199
absolutely

>>126943528
That's actually an interesting point. But if you assume men could want to be more feminine, why would you also assume there is a limit to this behavior ? Why wouldn't there be men with a will to be feminine to the point of taking it in the ass ?

>>126922075
So what if it is? It's worked the way it is for thousands of years for many successful societies.

>>126944199
i don't think homosexual behavior is the downfall of man. i don't think it's genetic. i think we shouldn't encourage it. i don't think we should persecute it. i don't think parents should let their children be exposed to media encouraging homosexual roles.

>>126944297
That's a heavy statement mate.

>>126944503
i think that's why what we call heterosexuality, which i think is a lifestyle choice, is the most popular sexual lifestyle. i think it took us thousands of years to get to a point where we celebrated heterosexuality above other sorts of sexuality and trying to dismantle that because there are people who want to be different is nonsense. allowing homosexual marriage is a big part of that as it irreversibly changes the nature of marriage.

>>126944454
Yes but your two points are kind of exclusionary. :/ unfortunately.
You cannot have it both ways.
Either people are accostumed to that phenomenon and see we are people just like you AND we aren not persecuted OR we are monsters to you and spend a life on the margins of society. There's no having it both ways here.

>>126944794
Hm. Don't quite agree with that. I guess it was much more sexual impulse driven than anything. On the homosexual marriage... it's just a paper. Why so much fuss? Hell, I don't even why the whole quest by the gay community so it could marry. Most marriages nowadays actually end up in bitter and regret lol. (Only for tax purposes but that would not be conditional on a marriage. It could be done through house sharing proofs and stuff like that.)

>>126942300
Still didn't get why they would spend their lives thinking themselves as monsters. I mean really, Monsters?
>Consent for me is a sine qua non condition on which we should judge sexual matters
Agreed.
>A pedo cannot play by that because, even if it exists, is with an individual who is not yet in its full rational decision making powers
And this is where you are wrong. 'Age of consent' is actually a social construct, to keep things the way people like. At ancient times, people used to marry at all shapes and ages(obviously not talking about 5/10 year olds) and our great civilization kept on rolling. If there's something wrong with a 12/15 years old having sex, it's your personal preference/mindset. So no, they should not torment themselves, just like you're asking.

>So please, don't put everything in the same bag
If by 'everything' you mean all kinds of sexual orientations/fetishes, they are always in the same bag. As I said, don't think of yourselves as something superior/higher.