Spainbros: is it happening?

Right after Scotland

>>126910757
What is?

>>126911175
yup. they will both inevitably break away and leave the other country in shambles.

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Catalonia wants independence from Spain
Rajoy, the current president of the government, also wants it,
Catalan independence gives votes to his corrupt party (PP)

>>126910757
Nah, last time (((they))) tried it didn't end up too good.
It's all tied and well tied.
I'm Catalan and nothing scares me most than our own breed of (((politicians))).

>>126910757
Spain already has a barely relevant economy,what good would come from secession? Aren't most catalonian separatists commies who want to turn Catalonia into Venezuela? Not being smug, I'm actually asking

>>126910757

A bankrupt country having a fire sale. Whoopitee doo

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Why go for independence, only to sell it to the EU?

>>126913192
Gibs

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>>126910757
Gotta red pill the thread, draw your own conclusions.

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Grandma is from Barcelona, if they make it I might just push for my citizenship since it'll be finally worth something.

>>126914936
Another good reason to stay with the rest of las Españas...

>>126915047
Don't worry, I'd never move to a shithole like Spain even if I did have my citizenship. If anything it would be just to make it easier to conduct my business in the Eurozone.

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>>126914610

conclusions

>>126914610
wtf is this shit,remove them

>>126911593
That meant that is never going to happen.

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>>126914610

>>126910757
No, and even if it happened we are beyond repair so I don't care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7TTKwzFONc

>>126910757

Someone explain this to me:

It's my understanding that Catalans demand absolute assimilation when other Iberians move to Catalonia. For example, a lot of the Andalusians that moved to Catalonia were heavily discouraged from practicing their flamenco music because it was too "Spanish". Yet this is also the region of Spain most open to immigrants.

Is this a double standard?

No, catalonia independence is a meme.

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>>126911892
Will Catalonia be pro or anti EU you think?
They do seem rather patriotic after all

>>126911593
Nope, it's not going to happen if so i prefer a civil war.
They are pushing for independence without having the majority of catalans behind them. It all sarted because CIU wanted to hide their shit and it snowballed into this big meme where CIU dosent longer exist and got absorved by those that wanted independence at the first place.

>>126912227
The last election was a big recognition for them that most catalans dont want independence but because a trypartito in catalonia is the norm they are always pushing for it.

>>126917791
No. Its called "we hate spaniards but we love arabs because they vote for independence"
Now we have arabs that dont give a fuck about both cultures. They checkmated them selfs

>>126919579
>Now we have arabs
Who brought them here lad? Do you really believe it was Catalan politicians? Are you really such a fucking idiot?

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>>126918967
pro EU

>>126920438
I dont belive, its a fact you piece of shit.
They prefered people that dont share cultural values or languange from spain because they are easyer to adoctrinate.
The idea was to teach people catalan first so they live in the catalan bubble for about 1 or 2 years before they start to learn spanish, in those years the only persons that could interact with them only were people that spoke catalan and so in theory they would learn only one said of our culture and therfore be more propens to vote for independence.

My las paragraph was only focusing the educational system modified to fit their logic.

>>126910757
Who?

>>126911892
>Rajoy, the current president of the government, also wants it

Are you retarded?

We'd be better off, but the guys that push for it are huge EU cocksuckers, they want independence to be the ones that get to manage all the subsidies and free cash from the EU instead the guys at Madrid, so as long as they know we'd be out of the EU (as if that was a bad thing!) they aren't gonna get serious.

I think it'd be the best thing that could ever happen to us because we'd have a smaller country, and smaller jursidictions tend to be more free trade friendly and therefore more prosperous, while huge countries or jurisdictions tend to be more pro-regulation and protectionist and its standards of living tend to go down or stagnate.

I also wanna get rid of the lazy parasites in the south (Andalucia and etc.) and their socialist government that pays people not to work. If they got independent I'd be happy too (cause they'd starve).

fuck separatists

your problems will not be solved by breaking up your nation further

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Above my dead body.

This country is going to be completely cleaned again of secessionists, muslims and jews. Hopefully this time we do things right.

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>>126918967
tots som catalans :)

>>126923005
>We'd be better off

Do you know who buy most of the catalan shit your produce and sell?
You main market is the rest of Spain, if your retarded independencia become a reality the Spanish state would most likely bad catalan products, and will veto your EU admission too.

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make catalonia revolutionary again

>>126924047
I don't care.

>and will veto your EU admission too.
It's the best thing that could ever happen to us. Enjoy sucking globalist cock.

>>126924316

Tranquilo, que ya hemos pasado, judío. Y volveremos a hacerlo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhfZOH7pmEw

>>126924647
there wont be any stalinists to get in the way this time, your days are numbered you little shit

>>126924369
You are the one wishing for it
>>126923005
>we'd have a smaller country, and smaller jursidictions tend to be more free trade friendly and therefore more prosperous

If you will left without Spain and the EU to trade your "country" will starve. (France is your second export destination).

>>126922916
Everybody wants the independence, except for us, the Catalans.

>>126924951
(((Jordi))) is delusional, he and the rest of the secessionists believe that they can amply survive without the rest of Spain.

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>>126915239
>I'd never move to a shithole like Spain
>Brazil

Why does catalonia want to secede? Is it just dumb nationalism or is there something else?

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jews behind independence push

>>126926539
probably part of some greater (((scheme)))

>>126919579
>Nope, it's not going to happen if so i prefer a civil war.

So let them have the fucking vote faggot. I bet you wont because you'll be afraid to find out how wrong you are.

>>126921898
>easier to indoctrinate.
Didn't work when the Byzantines tried it on the Turks.

>only were people that spoke catalan and so in theory they would learn only one said of our culture and therfore be more propens to vote for independence.

Jesus Christ, your politicians are stupid.
They are gonna destroy Catalonia forever.

>>126923005
>the lazy parasites in the south
Protip: Scrap the insane penalty on innovation that is the absurdly high "Autonomo" fixed rate monthly tax imposed on the self-employed, and you'll suddenly find tens of thousands of people down here really haven't been so fucking lazy as you might think from official figures, but simply criminalised by an unfair taxation regime that makes it simply suicidal to "go legit".

Catalans feel they are different, they have own language, culture and history.

The leftists are for independence. The same leftists who are in favor of mass immigration, which would destroy such catalan culture.

It is beyond retarded.

>>126927117

>language

almost the same as spanish as it derives completely from latin

>culture

nice meme, now having a regional dance is having a completely different culture

>history

hahaha

>>126927530
They do have a distinct kind of attitude, but then again that's true for every other major region of the country.

>>126927530
yeah well im stating what they feel not what I think.

But using that latin argument, you could say french and italian are same as spanish cause they all have latin root, duh.

As far as I know, being part of Spain is not destroying their language or culture. So the independence reasons must be economical.

>>126910757
Cornwall isn't a separate country. Nor is the Isle of Man. Nor is catalonia.

Fucking faggot separatists.

>>126927530
>almost the same as spanish

That shit is a retarded french-spanish mix

>>126910757

of course not, you retards

>>126926539
Summarizing
>Gotta pay much more than other provinces
which they are rightfully complaining about.
But then...
>A few years ago they renewed the Estatut, which was some sort of set of regional laws, which they already had one, but was outdated as fuck since it was from 1975
>Discussed, approved, sent to the Spanish government, approved.
>PP complains, starts to gather signatures because "muh separatists"
>Estatut gets cucked. Catalans get mad.
>Crisis happens
>Government, left or right are both massive Eurocucks. who really do not represent our people.
>Catalan nationalists, a minority, really, decide to fuck shit up and use the "España ens roba" to get more followers
>Left wing party are cucks and won't do shit about it. MID crisis now.
>Right wing gets into power
>They put ALL Catalans as some sort of separatists who want to break Spain and steal our children.
>Catalans start getting fairly butthurt at this point.
>Catalan independentists from the government keep pushing that Spain is some evil overlord and other Spaniards want to oppress them or some shit.
>Like good goyim, Catalans and other Spaniards fall for it and start going for each others necks.
>This gives votes the the Catalan independentists and the (((right wing))) party
>So many cases of corruption in Spain and Catalonia that the whole shit is laughable. No one goes to jail and if they do they don't stay long enough. Shit's crazy. Mafia-tier.
>More and more catalans want to be independent to truly break the conditioning.
>They don't realise they're still Eurocucks and they'll get wrecked by catalan industrialists and by Merkel&Co
>But staying in Spain is equally bad because... well, because fuck, we're a fucking mess and there's no saving this shit.
And this is where we are now. DESU we should modernize a bit the idea of Spain. And by that I mean we need some serious purge of corrupts and cucks, but it's too late.

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reminder that spain is a shithole and they deserve the worst in this world

>>126927837
They say "espanya ens roba", they claim central goverment give them less than they contribute. Which is totally normal in all countries over the World, the rich regions give more to develope the needed regions.
They have complete authority over their language, culture, traditions, public education, etc.

>>126927896
Um, Dave.... The Isle of Man is.

And arguably "country" isn't necessarily the same as "state". Wales and England and Scotland are countries. And they were so even before devolution of political power. Britanny is a country, inside the French state. There are lots of ways such entities can associate. Trying to make it all conform to one model is probably why we're in the mess we are with Catalonia in the first place. Stupid French centralist notions were imported with the Bourbon dynasty, you see.

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>>126926672

>>126927955

Catalan is 10 times more similar to spanish than french is, I don't need to learn the language to understand completely what the other person is saying.

If I try to communicate with a french or portuguese person, each one with his own language, I won't be able to understand a single thing properly, only a few separate words.

And let's not alk about spanish people not respecting their languge because it is completely false, nobody ever mentioned that ''we want'' to eliminate their language from being learnt or something like that. Look at the galicians or valencians, they don't complain for obvious reasons.

>>126928187
well, i'd be pissed too if I got raped in taxes to pay for other provinces welfare. They should take care of their immigrant problem leeching taxmoney before talking about any sort of independence.
If the money they give to the central govt was spent in infrastructure instead of welfare, then they'd have zero arguments.

>>126928686
yeah it seems all their arguments (economical, cultural, linguistic, whatever) are just pretexts.

The separatists seem to be mostly descendant of the losers of spanish civil war, and they want to try their commie paradise in their province, free from the "fascist central govt, the monarchy and the Church". (which have nothing of fascist today, they're mostly neo-liberals and social democrats)

>>126928723
>i'd be pissed too if I got raped in taxes to pay for other provinces welfare.
Of course you would, Solomon Montedeoro...

>>126928686
Git gud tho. I can understand Portuguese and Italian and never studied them. French is more complicated.

>>126928723
>i'd be pissed too if I got raped in taxes to pay for other provinces welfare.

If you are living in Buenos Aires or other high gdp province you are in the same situation.

>>126910757
>Give a piece of land money to develop their industry and economy
>Give more money for preserving culture and language and whatnot
>Give in to their every demand every time they get butthurt over taxes, control over policies, having their own separate police, etc
>The piece of land that gets the most money and opportunities ends up being the richest a couple years down the line
>Since they are richer than the mean, what they pay in taxes to the central government is more than what they get in subsidies

The true Red Pill on the independence claims in Euskadi and Catalunya is that all they are is a very convoluted tax evasion scheme.

Fuck Artur Mas

Hey anons what's the difference between Spanish and Castilian? Saw a thread on /int/ and apparently there's half of the Spanish speaking Americans using one and the other the rest.

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Holy shit there are actual people who believe Catalonia will secede after 400 years of failed attempts.
I'm an Asturian so I'll watch how Jordis and Pacos fight each other for no reason at all while being comfy as fuck.

Spain third world shit hole confirmed
Spain is third world for everything except murder rates, but that also applies to Morocco so..

>>126910757
Barcelona major founding comes from their football team.
The city itself suffers major debts.
If it were to become I depended, they wouldn't have a good football team (thats my only concern so far : football)

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>>126923348
I will stand by you, and let death find us facing the sun in our blue uniforms.

>>126929255
Do you live in Spain? if so, why?

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Also, the great number of hypocrite sudacas calling Spain a shithole is funny as fuck

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>>126929424

>>126929424
I've been both to Brazil and Spain. I think Brazil isn't as bad as 4chan makes it to be but there's no comparison. People like you make hues be hated. Know your place Joao

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>>126929491
>Asturias is not in Spain

>>126928177
t. wilhelm quispe hariston

>>126929114
>The separatists seem to be mostly descendant of the losers of spanish civil war, and they want to try their commie paradise in their province, free from the "fascist central govt, the monarchy and the Church". (which have nothing of fascist today, they're mostly neo-liberals and social democrats)
This is so far from the truth it hurts. The commie-independents (CUP) are a tiny faction in the independence movement.
The bulk of the independence movement are soft-right "muh taxes" neolibs, which is followed by a group of "muh people's right to choose" soft-left socialists

>>126929232
They're both the same. Technically, Catalan, Basque, Galician etc are also "Spanish languages", but >99,99% of the time Spanish=Castillian

>>126929715
>>126929820
ok sorry I will not talk rough to my betters ever again

>>126929829
Sorry I thought he wrote Austria. Care to answer this >>126929232?

>>126929179
Yes and people are sick and tired of the mass welfare. But we're not stupid enough to think we can do without the provinces. Even if budget is in the negative, they make up with explotation of resources (argentina has a lot). Im not from bs as btw, and i dont get welfare money. Mostly shitskins get welfare.

>>126928117
Thank you hermano

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>>126929232
They just use different names for the same language. It's spoken all over Spain, but is native to the part known as Castille or Castilla, which ended up the part best positioned to head the Reconquista in the middle ages. Castellano is more historically correct a term, I suppose, but might sound a bit "bookish" to some. Probably just a matter of chance which term ended up being used in each South American state.

>>126911175
Never, for an Irn Bru and a bag of chips you can force your superior English shaft up a flower of Scotland's anus and stir last night's haggis

>>126929232
They're the same thing but different places in latam refer to them differently. There's also different variations/accents to spanish which have their own words akin to American English, Australian English, and UK English.

>Español/Castellano = same shit but the main language of spain is castellano, even though as >>126929891 said there are other languages like euskara, catalan, galician.

There's also the meme that chileans don't speak spanish.

>>126930162
That's what I thought. Thanks for the answer I'm still wondering if that was a troll attempt on sudaca posters because they had Chile Uruguay Argentina and Paraguay on the Castilian side and Spanish all other countries. When I asked they said the proud amerindian nations were going to confiscate my belongings...weird.

>>126929891
If anything only Vascos could be considered to have a point in wanting independence. Completely different root language and genetics from rest of spain.

Do catalonia pays more % of taxes to central govt, or flat amount of $? If they make more money than any other province it is logical they'll pay more tax than the others.

>>126926935
It's like they want to outlaw entrepeneurship and make people unemployed so they are dependent of the government.

Pure coincidence.

>>126929996
Castillian has a unique accent and pronounciation compared to other Spanish dialects like Andalusian, Mexican, Argie, Chilean, etc. When you listen to it sounds way more European and kinda more closer to Italian or other romance language.

Castillian also has a different pronounciation in "c" or "z" in which it sounds like a "th" like in "thing" while Latin American Spanish, Andalusian or Canarian pronounce it as an "s" just like in English.

>>126930537
>When I asked they said the proud amerindian nations were going to confiscate my belongings...weird.

lel, yeah I see you asked on /lat/, I'm sure one posted a picture of bart smoking weed

>>126930581
Same % or close to it IIRC
But since they have the some of the most modern roads and their economy is not based on farming they get less money back in subsidies
Literally the meaning of having an above average income, basically

>>126931187
So whats their problem then. Is their economy crashing? Why dont they adress the immigrant issue first, many of whom are probably living off welfare. Remove all shitskins and lower taxes.
Is it so fucking hard ??

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>>126931428
They are good goyim

>>126924047
>implying the expansionist EU reich will veto a willing european member
Anyway Catalonia is the region that exports the most and depends less in intra-spanish trade.

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>>126910757
Spain here

No

Also the socialist party has the federal new way of thinking.
They want to change things again.
Its a covered coup.

>>126910757
No. Catalonian identity is dwindling due decades of different migration waves and we're at a point of no return, this is burgesia's swan song fueled by 2008's economic collapse.

t. charnego from a Barcelona peripheral city.

>>126931809
>Spain here
eh...

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>>126923348
My ancestor and glorious leader

>>126931809
>Spain here
lel

>>126931809
lol gtfo mexitard

>>126931428
>Is their economy crashing?
Nah, tourism is at an all time high. There's even talks of restricting tourism in some cities cause too many people=shitty experience for everybody.
Otherwise business/trading/industry is a bit fucked but slowly recovering like the rest of the country
>Why dont they adress the immigrant issue first, many of whom are probably living off welfare
>>126921898 also muh diversity

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>>126930581

Hope the Populars dont give them a shit.

In the end all we are hoping total war. Because its the way the things are going with nigas, shitskins, sudacas mestizos and chinks swarming the country.

Spain, literally all your economy problems would get fixed by:

- deporting all shitskins

- leaving the EU

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>>126932218
Whiter than you argie

>>126932352
you dream of these blue eyes, kid

>>126931809
The mexican is here.

>>126931964
You have to go back Paco.

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>>126931809
>Spain here
Are you fucking shitting me

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>>126922916
>implying isn't Rajoy wich promote this in 2012
>implying he promote all that conflict to "save" Spain from the commies
>implying implications
is 4d chess all over

>>126932271
so why dont separatist concentrate their efforts on lowering taxes to central govt instead of outright separatism on an autistic scale?

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Eh europe

Are you ready for catalonian refugees?

>>126932509
It's a delusional mexican

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>>126932489
Post your face mohammad

I am Aryan race race

>>126932538
is rajoy jew? he looks like

>>126932627
lol sure thats why you blackened your eyes

>>126932509
He is shitting us...

Lel

He is in a crossway from mestizo to castizo.

>>126932746
All the meds looks like that

>>126932746
He's a Galician good goy, Zapatero was actually a jew as a fun fact.

>>126930581
>Completely different root language and genetics from rest of spain.
Where you get this bullshit from? You really ought to know better, as a native speaker with Internet access...

The accent of the Romance language which became Castillian was seriously shaped by Basque. It's why we don't sound French or Italian, largely.

As for genetics, there's probably not a Spaniard alive south of Toledo who doesn't have some Basque ancestry. The North>South nature of the Reconquest meant Northerners from all parts ended up scattered all over the country. Basques played a major part in this. In my wife's family there are such Basque surnames as Caparrós and Ratia which testify to this, though they've been in the South for centuries.

>>126932863
nah

rajoy got that jew look, eyes mouth ear

>>126932834
Negga i am Aryan as fuck

>>126931809
Spain, the good Mexico

>>126932891
lol zapatero was nasty lookin, good that evil grin and the fucking EYEBROWS

i lived in valencia for years during his president years i remember well. scum should be hanging

>>126932891
yes we all know
surname of professions = 100% jew

>>126933106
got*

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>>126910757
Gotta redpill it again.

>>126926672
doesn't make sense to me

catalonians are jews, bigly, that's all you need to know.

>>126933270
most jews of spain live in catalonia

they control media and govt just like in your country.

its probably part of a greater scheme, one of those things they wish hard they could achieve right now

since shit is brewing against them their accelerating all their agendas, this being one

>>126928276
>Brittany is a country

wiw

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>>126933108
Boom

>>126933670
people must learn to recognize jews by racial and facial features and not surnames or whatever

you dont need internet, just look at his face

>>126931809
Amerindian eyes...
>Gifting our seed around globe, never again.

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>>126922916
The PP obtained votes thanks to create enemies, the communists, ETA, gays, the anti catholics and now the catalans; If not, who was going to vote for this fake patriots who robs the Spanish nation?
PP needs catalans independent to legitimize themselves

>>126933106
>i lived in valencia for years during his president years i remember well.
Zapatero was shit tier

>>126932578
That's pretty stupid honestly. What do you think is the point of independence? Taking our own decisions so we can set our taxes, control our borders, etc.
Why did Argentina go so autistic in seceded from Spain? Make a petition ro rejoin.

>>126934157
lol what was your other options, psoe or that jew commie iglesias?

your politics are screwed like mine, the time of cleansing is approaching

>>126932627
Holy shit is this Americans that browse /pol/?
You look like a kike pedophile

>>126934493
so catalonia cant decide now on border control?
just looking at the separatist, seems like first thing they'd do is flood it with shitskins

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>>126934154
Im not amerindian, i am spanish you fucker
But pls call me mexican i want that land

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>>126934855
T. Conquistador

>>126934558
When you are catholic and patriotic (the Spanish majority) you only have the option to vote for PP
Voting Vox is throwing the vote in the trash, it is not useful

>>126935073
falange now

>>126935033
>Thin nose and square face
>>126934855
>Pig nose and round face

I WUZ IBERIANZ N SHIEEEEEEET

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>>126935262
>Not Carlists

>>126935073

>giving your vote to PP who are becoming more and more liberal every year
>completely corrupted

no thanks, I will keep ''wasting'' my vote in VOX

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Actually Spain here

no

>>126914610
Ottoman Spain flags?
Defuq?

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Can someone red pill me on Catalans?

why do they want to be different from the rest of Spain? do Spaniards consider Catalans a different people?

>>126935430
well i'd probably agree with carlists on many things, but not very fond of the catholic shit taken to the extreme

>>126935073
>Voting Vox is throwing the vote in the trash, it is not useful
It at least gives a signal to the PP that they need to make more effort at pretending to be patriotic. The establishment parties need punishing at this moment in time, and almost ANY small party is good enough for this. Finding the most extreme probably sends the strongest signal, or at least it would if fucks like you wouldn't keep voting for Cunt A to keep Cunt B out of power...

>>126935634
i'd say they are french'd and jew'd spaniards

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>>126923348
Spanish Inquisition redux

>>126935337
But i am you retard post your face.

>>126936108
only and inbred retard like you would post his face on /pol/

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>>126935675
The thing about the Falange is that it doesn't follow what José Antonio intended, they basically want another Franco.

>>126934798
lol are you retarded? Have you ever heard of a region inside a country that can decide anything on immigration?
Madrid imports the shitskins, then sends them here to dilute our identity.

>>126923348
This.

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>>126935634
We're a different ethnicity with a different language and culture. Don't let the spanish users here fool you.
Here, take this redpill.

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>>126932271
>2005
Kek fuck off

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>>126936108
>Post your face on an anonymous image board
Only those with an IQ lower than 75 would do that

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>>126923348

>>126937081
WE

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>>126933670
I doubt he is a jew, this is just some virtue signalling, however I believe he is probably posessed or even a demonic entity, here is a picture of him consorting with witches and heretics

>>126910757

Fucking Christ, what an ugly flag. Catafags want to separate to have this?

>>126937395
Sad, isn't it? Shitty South American tier, aping the USA.

>>126928117
Damn, I feel bad for you Spaniards.
But thanks for the recap, fampai

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>>126937395
yes gringo

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>>126937663

Looks like someone took the Puerto Rican flag and pissed on it.

imo pic related should have remained as your flag.

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>>126936877
No youre not

Moteczumba iberia wan ur empire

>>126938253
Nobody is interested in your stupid face. Stop posting it, you moron.

>>126930412
>>126929232
>>126930162

Castilian is like the standard dialect of Spanish, I think.
Galician, Leonese, Basque, Aragonese, and Catalan are different dialects or separate languages.
The difference between Catalan and Castillian is like the difference between Scots and English, I think.
Of course, I don't speak Spanish, so I wouldn't know these things as well as a native speaker would.

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>>126936950
Madrid is where most big corporations are so where they pay taxes. Lol what a retard in fact Madrid barely pays anything compared to the rest of capitals of the world.
>b-but look you don't pay the most, just the second.

>>126937395
Among the oldest flags in Europe nigger. And yours are many stripes too with stars so I don't know what you find ugly exatcly.

>>126938444
Basque, Catalan, Aragonese, and Galician are separate languages. Dialects would be Iberian Spanish vs Mexican Spanish vs Caribbean Spanish vs Argentine Spanish.

>>126938636
He meant the independentist flag, which truly looks like someone took a piss on the Puerto Rican one.

>>126938636
You want catalan nation leave iberia

>>126938444
Why do you think things if you don't KNOW them? Never mind write them in public... ffs.

Scots just speak several dialects of English. Some pretend it's a different language, but that's bullshit. Their own dialect is a descendant of Northumbrian English, and has more in common with Geordie (spoken in Newcastle) than Geordie has with Kentish speech, say. English isn't good for making linguistic examples, as it's so distinct from its Continental relatives. Catalan is easy for Castilians to understand and vice versa, but English understand next to nothing of Danish and Frisian, save the very simplest phrases.

>>126938636
>I don't know what you find ugly exatcly.

The color scheme, it is almost identical to the niggerican flag. The fact that you fuckbois bring up independence every other year when you have been a part of Spain longer than you have existed as an independent kingdom. You guys are basically the biggest Eurofags in the region. It's like if Spain had a miniature Canada or Brussels inside its borders.

t. Spanish on my mother's side with some unfortunate Catalan family members.

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>>126910757
happening

>>126939388
Fuck off gook

>>126939388
Fick off gook

>>126910757
Catalan here.
I used to be pro independence, since we have a different culture and language (also spanish nationalism is cringy as fuck) but since here they are all leftist cucks they want to make this sweden by taking as many refugees as possible, so I came to the conclusion that to actually preserve our culture is better to stay in spain with a closed borders policy. Still a proud catalan tho.

>>126939072
>It's like if Spain had a miniature Canada or Brussels inside its borders.
Nicely put and true, I unironically hope they secede once and for all, every news cycle is either about corruption or their insufferable whinings, though I bet they will find new ways to bitch and moan even when they're out

>>126939388
english teacher detected

>>126939734
Nope, undergrad in economics at Waseda University. Sorry to disappoint you.

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>>126939711
Good man.

>>126939711
plus your catalan flag looks like a bootleg cuban flag 0/10 would not recognize

>>126940047
Are you saying you're a legit jap? I don't believe it, I don't recall ever seeing a native poster who wasn't some foreigner pretending and faking bad grammar, and I've been in this shithole for quite some time now

>>126939388
>Ireland is part of Britain
>Corsica and Sardinia part of France and Italy respecrively

>But Spain is divided

>>126939711
pretty much how i feel

im not scottish but i worry about scottish nationalism for the same reason

>>126934558
>iglesias
I'd yes. Why? Because he's a fuckup.
We don't need stability. We need to push left and right. We need a radical, left or right.
The problem with Pablemos is that he is a liberal eurocuck disguised as a revolutionary.
Crashing this system is the only option I can see working.

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>>126940172
I miss the old Guardia Civil uniform. It was aesthetic as fuck

>>126940816
Don't some leftists want to exhume the body of Franco currently?

>>126940578
I dont understand the purpose of those states, only nation in spain is Iberian ppl
And natio, if you cant differentiate a catalan from castillian then you shouldnt differentiate their states

>>126934855
>That one Amerilard who always posts his pic in these threads.
No m8, you look mixed AF. Quintessentially Spanish tho. Getting there.

>>126935634
They're evil jews.

It's the mission of the spanish folk to oppress them to avoid TOTAL GOYIM GENOCIDE.

>>126941192
Im not you fucker

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>>126940513
That's not the actual catalan flag. The "estelada" has the blue triangle with the white star, and it is the separatist one. The "senyera" is catalan flag, with 4 red strips in a gold background. Pretty similar to the american one.

>>126938253
What did this guy ever do to you for you to post his face in every fucking thread across this website???

>>126941038
Only those that wish to divide Spain are losers of civil war and Jews.

>>126941033
Yes.
So much for the tolerant left

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>>126941386
Who supports this stupidity of cutting off your leg of your ppl?

Catalonians are just like Ukrainians. Stupid, useless, incapable of creating working government and always screaming about muh independence.

>>126935634
España it's the union of kingdoms. Catalonia was vassel of Occitania, and then of Aragón. As a Counties, they had their own gov (consell de cent), under Aragón king. With the union of Castilla and Aragón, and death of Ferdinand, Castilians fucked the deal as usual. Now they lie and talk about Catalan-Aragonese crown. They were counties!
I'm catalan, but i'm spanish too. I'm different than an andalusian, a castilian, a basque and far, far away than gallegos. If the rest of spain can understand that being spanish doesn't mean being castilian, we'll be a fucking empire.
>>126936533
Cataluña forced the arrival of muslims, blacks and asians because americans wouldn't learn catalan because they speak spanish. So, you are the retarded here. Fuck off indepre.
>>126937323
El PSOE es muuuy judío. Incluso padres de la constitución hay varios judíos. Kissinger, CIA and shieeet.

>>126941323
This, it's ridiculous but he always gets feedback and (you)'s, so he's not going to stop anytime soon

>>126941038
If anything portugal has no reason for existence as a nation state not spain, spain is only nation that exists there hmmm

>>126939711
this

If I were catalan, I would vote NO for the same reasons. Also the EU won't accept Catalonia.

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>>126941033
DESU I consider that idea retarded. Leftists in Spain weren't that bad, but the current generations are going full American liberalism, which is horrifying but not. I mean, if not for libtards you wouldn't have a Trump now. He got into power because moderates and moderate leftists said "fuck your bullshit, I'm voting for Hitler." And they would have voted for him, no doubt.

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>>126941431
One of my uncles mentioned it when I spoke to him last week, though the practice is nothing new to them.

>>126941866
Trump is trash, just another kosher nationalist.

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>>126941650
Espanya is the nation of Iberians not a state, it is slso a state but espanyoles are a racial group.

>>126941742
lol, why would any country want to be in the EU? baka

well, catalonia does, but we're not getting independence anyway so fuk off

>>126942304
Saying espanyoles dont exist means you cant identify them in reality, when catalans are espanyoles and have been in a single state for longer than all other united peoples states in europe for 500 years.

This invention and resurgence of a catalan "nation" is most intriguing.

>>126942095
Never quite liked him, but the thing is many people thought he was something else, and they thought they voted for that something. It's hard to explain, but the right sentiment is there, though not yet the right person.
>>126941742
>Also the EU won't accept Catalonia.
>That's a bad thing
Nigger I'd have voted yes for that very reason, but indepes are as proEU as it gets.

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>>126942537
Good night mongrel gentelman, still taking pics of your mongrelic face I assume.

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>>126910757

>>126942544
>>126942370
I am in favour of getting out. I was just stating that indepes suck EU's balls, so it's a no-no situation.

>>126910757
I hope the army will shoot to the catalonianfags if they try to secede

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>>126942818
Post your face moronito.

>>126938999
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/think
'think' can mean to have an opinion about something but not be certain of it being true.
https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_leid
Looks like a different language to me. But I can understand many of the words.

>>126942834
How dare you do that to the Blue Division

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>>126942981
Here you are

>>126942961
They are spanish though those retarded traitors will just be sent to jail.

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>>126942961
Why so much hatred on us mountain jew?

Visca espanya you catalan faggots
I'm catalan and these assholes are the worst with >muh catalunya lliure
Thankfully Spaniards outside of Spain could care less about Spain unless it's about futbol

>>126942843
I read wrong then. Feeling sleepy after a day without siesta.
>>126942304
>espanyoles are a racial group.
Disagree. You have Galicians, Valencians, Basques, Andalusians, Catalans and shit. All of those cunts have their own way of speanking and their own food, culture, even their own facial features. What happens is that they consider themselves Spanish, or at least they used to.
You can see 1890 something Catalan newspapers going full "muh Spaña" to defend Cuba and the Philippines and the Spanish identity. We're pretty much like China. There's a fuckton of subcultures and ethnicities around, but they're all generally happy to be "Chinese"
>inb4 tibet

>>126938722
You might think that this is a simple question, but the difference between dialect and language is not always clear.

>>126943452
people who secede are traitors. Traitors need to be killed

>>126943076
I didn't do it, you did it yourselves when you cucked your own country

>>126939711
Spain has no closed borders policy though. Have you left home lately?

>>126943643
All those are the same just neighborhood differences

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>>126943672
This.

>>126939711
>different culture and language
so what? I don't understand

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>>126943672
You belong to the HRE then...

Daily reminder that Spanish is the most mongrel and semi-arab language of Europe. Catalan is much more european and it's older than Spanish. Spanish is a retarded portuguese-arabic son with euskara vowels (which makes it even more retarded). Catalan, on the contrary, derives from based Occitan and has nothing to do with arabs.

>>126943233
Dude stop posting your face I tell you in every single thread it isn't wise, but also aren't you Cuban anyways?

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>>126944005
Negga post your skin color
I am iberian

>>126943980
There's nothing to understand. We are a meme, we are not even a 20% of the local population. The independence movement is a joke, we are going to disappear regardless of what we do.

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>>126944000
HRE doesn't exist, Jordi. You know this is 2017 and not 1500, right?

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>>126943672
>people who secede are traitors.
What would you know? You're pretty much a pillow where actually relevant countries hide their money and your clocks aren't that good.

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>>126944228
They will say the same about Spain in 2500.

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>>126944005
Someone actually said this

>>126910757
Speaking with a Catalonian, it's incredible the shit the (((spanish))) government has pulled to keep them from leaving.
>Catalonian language is banned
>In a building full of catalonians, if a single person doesn't speak catalonian, they must BY LAW speak castillian or face penaties
>Catalonians made a referendum which ended in <90% wanting independence
>Castille invalidated the result and said that the referendum must be made country-wide to be valid
>Catalonia prepares a country-wide referendum
>Castille seized the urns and said referendums are undemocratic
>Referendums are undemocratic

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>>126944327
>Says increasingly nervous Jordi for the 8000th time in 400 years

>>126944005
pffttt hahahah 14/88 catalan, not a single drop of moorish blood, the delusion of you catalans subhumans, it's hilarious, you truly deserve extinction

>>126944408
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaj he fell gor the catalonis meme

>>126944408
Are you actually retarded, those are laws FROM THE FRANCOIST REGIME YOU DUMB FUCK.
THAT WAS 40 YEARS AGO YOU FUCKING RETARD

>>126944408
>>Catalonian language is banned
No sea estupido

>>126944371
"No obstante, en el caso particular del idioma catalán el impacto del árabe ha sido menor, debido a la detención del avance musulmán en la Batalla de Poitiers en 732 por Carlos Martel y la posterior formación de la marca hispánica."

Source: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influencia_del_%C3%A1rabe_en_el_espa%C3%B1ol

>>126944408
>Speaking with a Catalonian
Stopped reading there, gj falling for their jewish tricks

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>>126944408

well memed

have a (you)

>>126944656
Pedazo de nica, fue prohibido antes, ahora sólo está fuertemente restringido.

>>126944408
10/10 made me chuckle.

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>>126944660
Okay. I'm not even Castillian, but I will always support Spain either way.

>>126910757
http://www.strawpoll.me/13034542/

>>126944487
Now I'll speak unironically. You've won, you finally are wiping us out. We are the region with more mudslimes and the majority of the people here are mixed andalusians. Congrats Felipe, good job.

>>126944306
at least we've never been a caliphate José Al-Andalus

>>126944909
>ahora sólo está fuertemente restringido.
but it isn't, you stupid animal

>>126944909
Donde esta fuerte limitado? No sea estupido

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>>126944134
You're the biggest nigger and cancer of the board.
Can we either find this guys facebook/address or a mod IP ban him?

>>126945135
>Felipe
As I said, not Castillian. But oh well that sucks, I don't care about you anyway.

>>126945289
>As I said, not Castillian.
What are you then?

>>126944909
nunca fue prohibido entre personas, tampoco en literatura o musica, solo en documentos oficiales en el trato con la administracion y el nombre
that's from 1968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se24_GEA8vc

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>>126943672
>people who secede are traitors. Traitors need to be killed
i was anti-secession until i saw this post. but upon reading it, my inner 1776 sense (the real sixth sense, only americans have it) started to tingle. viva catalan.

>>126944327
why do you hate spain so much? I mean we hate people from other cantons too but we love Switzerland.

>>126944660
spaniggers BTFO

>>126910757
Catalonians are the most retarded type of Spanish...

The rest of my Spanish bros are super cool!

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>>126944547
>Not taking the Catalan superior genetics redpill
José, you can do better than that

Spain or Catalonia will never win the World Cup if they do this.

>>126945387
no digas gilipolleces que ni les dejaron usarlo para la inaguración del camp nou

>>126945492
I don't hate them actually. They have wiped out my people but it's totally fine, I don't even care about Spanish politics lately.

>>126910757
There probably will be an illegal and unconstitutional referendum and it probably will be rigged to pass. Regardless, it will be just a meme. No one takes the Punsets seriously. Also, one more nationality to the collection.

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>>126945384
Puxa Asturies

>>126945399
Do you support California seceding too?

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>>126945514
moorish invasion is a meme.
Moors only began with yusefs invasion in the 12th century.

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>>126945644
at last I truly see, ethiopian master race

>>126945182
>>126945203
>>126945387
http://www.publico.es/actualidad/catalunya-multa-hablar-catalan.html

Literally fined for speaking catalonian in Catalunya (sin ñ). As you niggers can't read, I'm gonna repeat myself.
>In a building in the middle of Catalunya, if a single persn doesn't speak catalonian, everyone must use castillian BY FUCKING LAW.
I can understand lazy castillians not wanting their cash cow to go away but holy shit even that has limits.

>>126945798
Wtf are you talking about jordi ask any speniard from sny city or province if they want the sudaca or sand ppl in catalonia, the lovals of catalania welcome it.

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>>126945644
>Catalan superior genetics
Let me tell you about Atlantis.

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>>126945808
>Not defending the Asturian annexation of Castile
It's 2017 pls, they are your rightful clay.

>>126945798
>muh 6 gorillions
kek

>>126912859
Yes. Spot on. Podemos sucks Maduro's dick on a daily basis, and in return he pays them mad $$$. But god forbid they are called out for corruption. They are just saints advicing a commie dictator.

>>126945992
>Watch map
>Ethiopians
Go back to school Jorge.

>>126945644
please I've been all around Spain and you're all the same like 100% moors :^)

>>126946243
I don't have the same passion as you and other catacucks for african cocks, jordi

>>126934855
For what purpose?

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>>126946079
You have finally been enlightened, all the niggers drown in the mediterranean are due to our underwater cities using them as food for the cattle.

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>>126923348
Kill jews?

Do it man, make a fucking example for the rest of europe!

>>126945827
Actually in 711.

Serious questions here:

Who's gonna have profit for secession?
And who's gonna suffer somehow about this?

>>126946431
Its a lot of land that i can claim for my peoples settlements.

>>126946429
You are still an idiot who knows nothing about geography. You probably claim we're indoctrinated about history but I bet you know as much history as geography Javier.

Spanish girls cannot resist BIG WHITE AMERICAN COCK. I got laid so much over there I'll trade some blonde American sluts for some dark haired Spanish qts

>>126946516
Theres no evidence for that.

>>126945998
>http://www.publico.es/actualidad/catalunya-multa-hablar-catalan.html
Lo pararon y se puso tonto hablando en catalan a la autoridad para dificultar su trabajo.
totalmente merecido

>>126946544
>Who's gonna have profit for secession?
Catalonians

It's a fucking joke. They will call for a referendum, the Constitutional Court will call it, surprise, unconstitutional, they say they've become independent, we'll tell them to fuck off, and when we ask for the money we require from them, they'll give it.

And it'll begin anew. It's all populist posturing, a retarded concept brought back by demagogues looking to convince the public they're fighting for their rights or some bullshit, while they pilfer and steal like always.

It's all shit.

>>126946674
>In Barcelona
castillian pls

>>126946732
You mean everyone who wants to destroy spain.

>>126946135
Not by killing us Kraut, by replacing us with Andalusians and Moors through immigration the same way you are being replaced by mudslimes all across Europe. But as I said caring about it is useless, you'll be in the same situation soon hopefully.

>>126946837
>act like a retard
>get punished

>muh culture

>>126946884
Are all andalusians brown moors?

>>126946544
>Who's gonna have profit for secession?
catalonia
>And who's gonna suffer somehow about this?
spain will have to adjust their spending

>>126945808
PUXA ASTURIES!!!! I fly my astur flag over my farm every day. currently building a Panera Asturiana with my cousins
>>126934855
stop posting, you give the Spanish-American criollo diaspora great shame
t. Asturian-Hispano Californio Criollo con miles de vacas

>>126946884
so they're replacing spanish people with spanish people? thats terrible Spain will never be the same

i've been to Barcelona and Lloret de Mar some years ago,the most degenerate places i've ever seen in my life.

>>126947057
No, my neighbour has blue eyes and is 2m tall. A very good man actually. But we also have many actual moors, don't worry.