daily reminder that christians had a history of violence too.

>>126812704
Keyword: History

The bible says to kill witches, there's nothing wrong with killing a witch if they actually are one.

I had never considered this before!

>>126812704
>Christians did Something bad hundreds of years ago so its fine when muslims kill people now.

The sad thing is, even though this is a troll thread, so many people genuienly believe it.

keyword history

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>>126812704
Right.

You do understand we don't live in the fucking dark ages anymore, right?

>>126812704
Daily reminder that it's not the dark ages anymore, you cuck.

Right so we're admitting that Islam is 600 years behind the rest of human civilization?

>>126812704
It's not about accumulating right or wrong points and making value judgments about the different religions, it's about something that is currently a problem and finding solutions to it.

What happened hundreds of years ago but is no longer happening is not a problem that needs a solution.

Something that has happened every few months for the last several years is a current problem that needs a solution.

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>>126812704
Catholics*

>>126812704
referr to
>>126812869


Jesus it amazes me how stupid people are when they try to make this comparison.
One religion isnt killing tons of people right now
One is.

Do you even grasp how stupid this arguement makes you look.

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>catholic
>christian

only catholics ever systematically killed people

theres never been a baptist burning someone at the stake

>>126812704
>had
faggot

Mass genocide isn't a fucking playground game where you can go "B-But Christians did it first! It's muslim's turn!!!" Kys, shill.

>>126812869
Fpbp

>>126812704

>Christians
>"violent in past history"

>Goatfucker Muslims
>still blowing teenage girls up today, tossing fags off buildings, and running people over with trucks at major tourist destinations

Seems to me, OP, you should fucking shoot yourself in the face, but ONLY after swallowing a full bottle of aspirin and slitting your wrists.

Make sure the job is complete, you should just fucking die.

>had

>>126812704
Daily reminder to blow it out your ass, Abdullah.

>>126812704
Daily reminder it's 2017

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>>126812704
Catholicism*

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>Oh look a heretic was charged and burned at the stake that's just like how the Quran teaches jihad and how it's fine to invade countries and massacre entire populations like the Arabs, Seljuks, Timor khan, ottomans, Barbary pirates, have done for centuries resulting in millions of deaths.

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>>126812875
>killing a woman who remained loyal to traditional pagan (pre-Judaic European) practices
Yeah how fucking dare they.

>>126813450
We're admitting that religion doesn't directly correlate with violence the way that time, place, and political turmoil do.

>>126812704
"Had" is the key word.

>Deus Vult

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>>126812704
And will again you fucking mudslime faggit

>>126812704

It's not 1264, it's 2017.

>>126812704
>burning heretics at the stake after given the chance to recant and repent several times
Sounds like they sealed their own fate if you ask me

Daily reminder that OP is a faggot

>>126812704
> It doesn't matter that Muslim's are the killers now, because other groups killed people hundreds of years ago

History is being made now by a new group of mass killers.

>>126812704

Only think Christendom was trying to do was retake land you took from the Byzantines during your initial burst of energy following the foundation of Islam.

Ironic thing is we didn't have to do anything because the Mongols ended any "high culture" the Arabs could have produced before it got a chance to set in to the fabric of Islam, leaving Muslims forever backwards from the late 1200's onward.

>>126814153
Being a pagan is a mental sickness

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>>126813021
>Implying Christians aren't the ones who rolled over and let the Muslims come
>Thinking Christians care about Europeans when they are the biggest advocates of "acceptance"
Moron.
>inb4 pic related is nitpicking

>>126812704
>Never like
>Still is like
> =/=

kek mudflaps not even once.

>>126812704
Woah! It's almost as if one was reformed and the other isn't due to a scripture that is unalterable!

>>126812704
well fuck, in that case >>126813768
we should just let them kill us all then

>>126812704
You should see what Mao and Stalin did in the name of atheism

>>126812704
well fuck, in that case we should just let them kill us all

>>126812704
b-but winner is always the good guy

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>>126812869
I bet you have some french canadian in yo blood !
Fpbp

>>126813021
>Rape was once socially acceptable because it was a necessary way of humanity's evolutionary process
>Rapists today are totally fine and should be accepted, it's just the culture of the past guys :^)

Gotta love that nigger logic eh Denfriend

>>126812869
You sayin those werent real christians burning people at the stake?

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>>126812704
And because we had the inquisition three hundred years ago (which was made only by Europeans against europeans) we are now to play the Inquisitions again for the sandsniggers?
Do you mean to say that?

According to your logic we should also operate with the congo niggers cannibalismus because our ancestors a thousand years ago this also made.

>What the hell is wrong with thi American

>>126812704
and it's about to return

>>126815276
He's saying it was 500 fucking years ago and that Christians aren't running around crusading like radical islam does fucking daily.

>>126813252
>>126813413
Yeah, Christians don't fucking torture people to death anymore. Good point. They only permit that treatment for animals. And of course they aren't burning down libraries anymore. They just fill half of the Bible Belt with wheat and let the soil erode.

Christianity was inextricably linked to the state tho

>>126812704
Daily reminder that if sandniggers don't get their shit together christians will also have a future of violence.

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>>126812704
>defending yourself
>violence

>>126813570
This store makes no fucking sense. Jerusalem was under Roman control from before christ right up until it was conquered by the muslims.

>>126815458
So? they were still christian.

>>126812704
>Slide thread is slide thread

If they had finished the job the first time we wouldn't have our current muzzie explosion and attack vehicle problems.

>>126812704
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

If you are going to make claims against the Christian faith, then please do show referential scriptures where the Holy Bible permits attacks of un-provoked aggression towards anyone. Where did Jesus say, "kill thy enemy", or "burn anyone who disbelieves!" No, Christ did not permit anyone to do so. He would immediately would disown any acts like that.

Here in Matthew 5:3-10, Jesus Himself tells the follower the manner in which he or she should live by and the peace they should care with them day-by-day.


"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

These burning at the stakes and the inquisition that took place, was and is not Christ-like nor Christian-like to do so, AT ALL! It is simply put it, murder. A sin that God will hold each accountable for in the day of Judgement. It doesn't matter if a Pope allowed it, a Priest or Pastor lead it, God will never approve of it.

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protestants dont have a history ever of doing this shit

its history for the catholic church

>>126815465
>any more

they never did
actual christians were persecuted by catholicism too

>>126815655
they were catholic

>>126812704
you think then was bad, soon

>>126814726
Well at least they have one white daughter, so it can't be all bad, right?

>>126812704
I would support the events in that picture. As long as the cross is on top.

>>126815458
Christians still burn people...

But they are African nogs so no one gives a shit.

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>>126812704
>when you have to look back over 500 years in the past to find bad examples
Makes you ponder.

>>126812704
and Muslims have a history of violence
MORE IMPORTANT is the Muslim present of violence.

>>126815758
#NotAllChristians
joking aside you guys use the same bible

>>126812704
oh ok, so lets forget about islam and judaism continuing their parasitic habits, honestly kys

>>126815758
liar
Patrick Q. Mason (2005-07-06). Sinners in the Hands of an Angry Mob: Violence against Religious Outsiders in the U.S. South, 1865-1910 (PDF). University of Notre Dame.

>>126815758
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>>126815465
>bible belt
>wheat
I doubt you could find your own asshole with a map.

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>>126815548
"render unto caesar" legitimized secular government, Islam is inherently anti-statist unlike cuckhristianity

>>126812704

Whoa some image depicting Christians killing people hundreds of years ago. Thanks for the info.


Everyone be on the lookout for Christian terrorists.

>>126812704
Keyword - HAD

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>>126815592
The magic word is remigration
(First civil war and then deportation) I give the whole thing about 5 to a maximum of 10 years.
Do you want to bet?

>>126813252
We are heading back to the dark ages at lightning pace. The internet has led to a whole new world of stupidity. People who criticize the Manchester bombing are getting massacred on social media. And no one seems to care. Next stop: everyone cheering that the bombing happened. It's amazing. In about a decade we have become complete fucking morons

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>>126812704
We've got a future of violence too faggot.

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>>126816139
catholics dont believe the bible they have popes and saints and stuff tell them what to do

>>126816193
wow a angry mob of people

congrats you found a angry mob in all of protestant history

>>126816209
all catholic

>>126812704
That was 500 years ago.

>>126816402
Because Soros rules the world. And there is nothing anyone can do to stop him.

>>126815758
>protestants don't have history of ever doing this shit
>puritans, lutherans, church of england, the second ku klux klan
protestants do this way more often than catholics, even today

>>126812704
So?

What, you think that makes terrorism acceptable or something?

>>126816375
As soon as they bomb a big footy game.

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>>126812704

>the past and the present are the same

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>>126816602
omg the ku klux klan tell me more about this christian group

>>126812704
Funny how we grew out of it while muzzies never left the Dark Ages

Show me one verse in the New Testament that justifies the evil done by some Christians? I can, however, show you multiple verse in the Quran, Hadith, and Sharia that justify a great deal of the evil committed by Muslims. For instance, did you know that Muhammad had Jewish and Christian sex-slaves (concubines)? On the other hand, did you know that Jesus and the Apostles did not?

>>126812704
Wrong, what you are talking about is Catholic history and that was centuries ago, muslims are are simply stone age desert people that we foolishly gave modern tech to

>>126815655
You have the mentality of a teenager. Literally. If you can't comprehend people maturing then there is no point in having a discussion with you.

>>126816479
Point stands, you are a liar. Protestants committed lynching, rape, murder, arson, public humiliation, and torture. You filth are far from innocent.

>>126812704
Difference: Christianity left violence in the dark ages. Islam did not, you disingenuous, dishonest worm

>>126816710
Nah you guys just raped and pillaged until there was nothing to rape and pillage anymore.

>>126815758
Protestants are not christian

>>126812869
/thread

>>126813643
Did you have an argument or are you just wanting to be stupid?

>>126815655
Can you argue about Islamic Jihad without bringing up Christianity? Doctrine drives history, and whilst Christianity has had it's ills, it has created the best culture of mankind to date. No one has ever lived in such a time of technology, communication and freedom without European Christianity, yet all Islam has done is conquer and oppress and has done so for 1400 years and to this present day. There is your moral equivalence.

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>>126816853
there are protestants who have personally committed murder and so have atheists

but they never burned people at the stake for being heretics

they didnt torture people ever like catholicism did


ur lying

protestants hate this man

We have discovered faith to be the first movement towards salvation. After faith, fear, hope, and repentance (accompanied by temperance and patience) lead us to love and knowledge (The Stromata, Bk. II, ch. VI).

>>126812704
This is not reddit.
You have to go back.

>>126817067
They did

It is called Puritans and Calvinism and all the Irish killed

>>126812704
That's not how fucking image macros work! Fucking shitlibs still haven't learned.

>>126816777
Underrated post.

Bonus points cause based-leaf.

>>126812704
well neither have you

>>126816602
yep, cathos was under church autority so they try to covert more then burn but protestant was out of the circles and the plebs jugement was very violent like street justice.

>>126817210
Protestants also love to kill each other

Just ask the anabaptists

>>126816655
They will try, you can take away a lot
But at football the fun stops.
>I hope we'll get rid of them sooner ;)

>>126817265
Protestants also hate science

Sure, but the Muslims at the time did their damnedest to kill as many of them as possible, while in the current time we're expected to sit on our hands and do nothing.

>>126817012
>Protestants are not christian
Nothing post-Nicene is actually Christian, so what's your point?

>>126816708
they're a protestant group you drooling retard, specifically the second incarnation of the group

>>126812704
We're getting close to that point again, too. You haven't seen shit yet.
Prepare for the crusades 2.0, faggot.

>>126817067
pure propaganda give proof or btfo! fucking heretic....

>>126817067
>shown proof of violent history
>'nuh-uh!'

typical protestant

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>>126817454
Meanwhile before NICENE

>>126817503
Protestants hate history

Fun fact the muslims had taken over 2/3 of the Christian world before the crusades began.

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>>126812704

>>126817033
What is your argument? That Christianity is the same as islam if you hold one to modern standards and one to a centuries-old standard? What kind of arbitrary metric is that?

>>126817722
Protestants hate history

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>>126817210
prove it that these people were just systematically killing innocent irish people and burning them

that never happened

>>126817503
any """clan""" or gang can make up whatever crap they want but its not christian and its not a torturing of heretics from the state

>>126817891
>I never read history

>>126812704
when was that lad?

>>126812704
Quite true, christianity did awful things, but people learned, it changed, gave birth to atheism in a way.

>>126812704
Probably another person who thinks we should be tolerant towards the Islamic culture of nail bombs and suicide bombing.

>>126817891
>they are not true christian
Literally islam tier logic

>>126817065
I have the paganism to thank for everything. Roman christianity is christian only in name. They killed off all the actual cuck christians, then Constantine fused christianity with the roman religion to unite his empire. Everything good about christianity has its roots in mithraism.

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>>126812704

Yes people using Christianity to justify political or other forms of violence.
People have done that will all and any religion since time immemorial.
>1 post by this ID
So you can't even hang around to defend your shitty b8?

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daily reminder that the papacy doesn't represent protestants

way to be literate about my culture mr.racist

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>>126812704

OP is a fucking brain damaged idiot.

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>>126818091

>Everything good about christianity has its roots in mithraism.
>Imblying

>>126812704
>was

Key word. Islam hasn't been reformed, and it's followers show no interest in trying to change that. Maybe it's because they know they'll never have to face any real resistance from our cucked citizenry/governments.

>>126815465
>Christians grow wheat and slaughter animals for food
>This is the same as ISIS
woah now

>>126817891
Persecution and Toleration in Protestant England 1558-1689
Review Number:
192
Publish date:
Monday, 30 April, 2001
Author:
John Coffey
ISBN:
582304644X
Date of Publication:
2000
Pages:
224pp.
Publisher:
Longman
Place of Publication:
London
Reviewer:
Keith Lindley
Two anti-Trinitarians shared the distinction in 1612 of being the last persons to be burned for heresy in England. The execution of Oliver Plunkett in 1681 was the last martyrdom of a Catholic on English soil. A Scottish student hanged for blasphemy in 1697 was the last person in the British Isles to be executed for his religious views. The careful noting of these milestones by John Coffey inevitably imparts a Whiggish tinge to his admirable and stimulating study of religious persecution and toleration in England from the accession of Elizabeth I to the passage of the Toleration Act of 1689. Indeed in terms of interest in the subject, if not necessarily in analysis and understanding, our debt to the Whig history of toleration has proved to be an enduring one. Dr Coffey's book, the first overview of the subject to be published in over fifty years, derives from his earlier study of a staunch defender of religious persecution, Samuel Rutherford (a Scottish Covenanter), and it certainly has more to say about persecution than toleration. The first three chapters are historiographical, conceptual and analytical in approach; the next four traced the themes in a chronological framework; and the final chapter, bucking the trend of most recent research, celebrates 1689 and 'the rise of toleration'.

>>126817891
look at Ireland you dumb nigger

>>126812704
I'll take The Enlightenment Period for $1000, Alex.

>>126817722
Funny fact
The muslims used taqiyya and migration, and once they were in a foreign country they fucked like rabbits until they reached 10%, then terror and then take over.
always the same

>>126818366
I bet you think Jesus was born on dec 25

>>126812704
>hey, if some people brutally murdered others over 200 years ago, its totally perfectly ok if some people brutally murder others today!

>>126815758
thats all protestants did was burn witches

>>126818437

The weaknesses of the Whig analysis are well rehearsed and familiar: a teleological, and sometimes anachronistic, account of the emergence from a dark and hostile pre-Protestant past of modern liberal democracy and a corresponding rise of religious toleration. A crucial watershed in this progressive process, it was argued, was the mid-seventeenth century 'Puritan Revolution' which permanently transformed England by laying the basis for a liberal, multi-faith society. This is history enthused with national pride; the peculiar nature of its Protestant history was seen as enabling England not only to steal a lead over the rest of Europe, but also to export its liberal and tolerationist principles to the New World. The story is told by those historical giants, S. R. Gardiner, William Haller, A. S. P. Woodhouse and W. K. Jordan, who have had a formative influence on a whole generation of historians. However, in the last thirty years or so 'revisionist' historians (broadly defined) exploring the same territory have launched a frontal assault on this Whig

>>126817067

>they didnt torture people ever like catholicism did

Do you think only the Catholics burned people at the stake, impaled people, defenestrated people and so on and so forth during the 30 years war?

Are you that fucking dense?

>>126812704
>>126812869
OP BTFO by based leaf.

>>126818503

I don't know of a singe Christian sect that ever claimed that.

>>126818638
analysis. The past, it is argued, should be understood in its own terms when peoples' ideas, values and perspectives could be radically different from our own. For much of the early modern period in England it was religious intolerance rather than tolerance that was most noticeable, as instanced by the political impact of anti-popery and the bitter divisions among Protestants. The case put for religious toleration during the Puritan Revolution should not be exaggerated. Cromwell and others traditionally portrayed as pro- tolerationist in the 1640s and 1650s had in fact much more modest aims; they were seeking to secure liberty for godly Protestants and toleration was to be withheld from the ungodly and followers of false religions. They were certainly not striving to create a liberal society in which divergent religious opinions were openly tolerated. After the Restoration, a reinvigorated intolerance was the order of the day as firstly Dissenters and later Catholics experienced severe persecution. Those still prepared to argue the case for toleration did so in qualified terms; John Locke, a much cited example, explicitly excluded Catholics and atheists from toleration. When legal toleration was finally achieved in the 1689 act it was never the intention to establish religious equality even when restricted to Protestants. The great Whig milestone was in fact a fortuitous compromise and a fudge rather than the final triumph of a tolerationist ideal.

>>126816777
trips of truth

>>126816710
mudslimes never left seventh century

>>126818917
England is also to be stripped of its title to European leadership; at the start of the seventeenth century, Protestant England, in common with most other Protestant countries, was still intent on enforcing religious uniformity, thus lagging behind the Catholics lands of Poland and France where a remarkable degree of toleration had been established. Furthermore, the generally accepted narrative of a chronological progression from a backward persecuting past to a modern tolerationist future has been shown to ignore earlier tolerationist efforts and other continuities, leaving those who seek to trace the rise of a tolerationist ideal with the problem of where to place the Taliban and other religious fundamentalists in our own world.

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>>126818057
95% of christians are not true christians they believe in deceptions and corruptions they never accepted jesus as their savior and actually believed in him

if theyre doing something crazy like catholics do they dont believe in the bible the word of god they dont accept it

so its obvious

real christians persecuted throughout time

John 16:2
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

>>126818629
i doubt they ever actually burned them

but if they were put to death then thats because witches do a lot of crap with human children and skulls and underground sorcery

>>126818687
>war

invalid

prottys never burned people at the stake that would be the catholics

>>126818091
He didn't fuse paganism with Christianity, everything which was with the church before Constantine was remained the same after he converted. If he tried to mix paganism with the churches teachings the bishops of the church would've excommunicated him as a heretic.

>>126819079

Dr Coffey offers a persuasive post-revisionist approach to the central concerns of his book. Recognising in one important respect the strength of the revisionist argument, he places an emphasis on the power of intolerance in early modern England and devotes more space to discussing and explaining persecution than tolerance. At the very outset, he bravely nails his colours to the mast declaring that it is his intention to argue that there is considerable truth in the Whiggish claim that seventeenth century England witnessed a dramatic transformation from religious persecution and enforced uniformity to toleration and religious pluralism. He finds himself in broad agreement with Haller and Woodhouse in arguing that the 1640s were the key decade and that the initial impetus behind tolerationist ideas came from radical puritanism. The 'Puritan Revolution' is alive and well. Tolerationists emerged during those years to provide a principled opposition to religious persecution, even of heretics and schismatics, and to make the case for the peaceful co-existence within one society of a plurality of churches and religions. In the longer term, the stubborn survival of Dissenting churches (and of Papists) punctured the monopoly of the national church and an earlier consensus in favour of using coercion to support religious uniformity crumbled. The 1689 toleration act was indeed an important landmark in the struggle to achieve religious toleration

>>126819091
Protestantism is false

Get over it

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>>126812869
>fpbp

I, for one, welcome the coming global race war

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>>126819274

>>126816777
The truth has been spoken.

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>>126819091
>zero historical evidence or scholarship

>>126819091

>invalid

No it's not, a lot of people killed during the 30 years war where civilians, killed because they didn't follow the sect of the nearby marauding army.

If you go by the line all it's fair in love and war then the Catholics hardly ever did anything like burning people alive or having them on the end of a pike, that was during war time.

>>126812704
>had a history of violence too
>HAD
Look, almost all Christians of today are peaceful and do not kill others by blowing up themselves or have a literal army of radical fanatics imposing Islam (at least their brand) to others. Unfortunately, some Muslims of today still do.

>>126815765
She's already in position to be BLACKED by the nigglet.

>>126812869

first post, best post

>>126817012
Catholics are not christian muh peter. you cant even read the bible paul:For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office

>WAS

>>126815655
Yes they were roman catholics. Your point?

>>126818760
Exactly. Christmas is pagan. Jesus wanted people to follow the Law like the jews. Paul said nah fuck that and trued to make this jewish religion reasonable for normies. Contantine was the final nail in the coffin and fused the cult of mithra (where the trinity comes from btw) with christianity. Pretty much all the fun stuff like christmas comes from the roman religion.

> world still incredibly unknown
> science in infant stages
> not a lot of resources to prove or disprove

> b-b-b-b-but Christians were violent!!

its called evolving as collective group you worthless cave dwelling faggot. kys

>>126819516
Tell me when protestantism agrees with the early christiand

>>126812704
The difference is that Christianity had a few Reformations and got less violent. Islam didn't.

>>126819566
Protestantism is anti christian

>>126819566
Orthodoxy got cucked by the nicene creed.

persecution, was justified. Coffey gives us a familiar but clearly expressed account of the Protestant theory of persecution from the model established by Old Testament Israel, the accounts of the first centuries of the Christian church, St Augustine's justification of the use of coercion by the magistrate, the persecution of heresy down the centuries and the sanctioning and encouraging of persecution by the great Protestant reformers, with some initial reluctance on Luther's part. Protestantism's reputation as a liberating and modernising creed has to face the fact that its founding fathers believed in persecuting, even to death, anti- Trinitarians, Anabaptists and Jews and found some of each other's religious beliefs absolutely intolerable. Toleration was to be condemned for encouraging erroneous, soul-destroying beliefs, leading to schism and inviting the wrath of an angry God.

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>>126819439
no cathshits actually burned alive real christians who believed the bible

not doing anything wrong

prottys never did any of these indecent cruel things

cuz they didnt have a state religion of mass persecution

sorry

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>>126812704
Yea ? Tell me moar about orthodoxy ???

>>126819588

>where the trinity comes from btw
Arguments over the existence of trinity predate Constantine, and are known to have happened around the time of Paul.

>Pretty much all the fun stuff like christmas comes from the roman religion.
All that fun stuff is mostly irrelevant when it comes to the date.

>>126812704
yeah except the bible doesnt advocate it. islam does.

I love that all this argument is saying is "so what if Muslims are violent barbarians?" Like anyone who would ever make this kind of argument would willingly admit that islam is a violent ideology in any other way.

>>126812704
Isn't this what the Democrats do to Conservatives?

>>126816602
KKK came from the democratic party

>>126812704

>comparing Christianity, a religion with many different sects that have their own beliefs, mostly pacifistic beliefs that stress violence only when necessary, to Islam, a hive-minded religion with hive-minded sects that were only created because sand people have an issue over minuscule details about their prophet

>Also, grouping all Christian churches and denominations with Catholicuckism

Sage

>>126812704
>implying we should give a fuck who our ancestors killed

Bruh my ancestors could have killed 1,000 Muslims each, and it's still not justified for them to kill whites. WILL TO POWER YOU FAGGOTS

>>126820210
The KKK was Good.

>>126819849

>no cathshits actually burned alive real christians who believed the bible
And so did quite a few protestants.
>cuz they didnt have a state religion of mass persecution
Many sects of protestantism became state religion in many nations, stuff like Anglicanism.
>not doing anything wrong
The fact that you are lacking basic punctuation and have leddit spacing going on leads me to believe you are quite triggered and ongoing a spastic fit.

>>126819849
Writers in the 19th century had the same observations. A few months after the end of the American Civil War, the August 1865 edition of The Old Guard ran an article entitled "Puritanism against Liberty." At page 367, we read:

[W]e gave a brief history of the origin of Puritanism, and showed that, whether in England, Scotland, Zurich, Holland, or America, it ever secured its ascendancy by trampling upon the civil and religious rights of others. There is no where to be found an exception.
Everywhere liberty was trampled under its feet...Puritanism has always been a political religion. It has always been at war with the Constitution of the United States, because that was in the way of its greed of despotic power.
One month before, in the July 1865 issue of The Old Guard, the author (at page 292) was even more scathing in his criticism of British and American Puritanism:

>>126819516

without Catholic thought, ideology, research, translation, and philosophy Christianity would be a joke. Every Christian should worship the work of jesuit/domincan order

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ya word if you want to blame something on christianity you actually have to quote the bible and jesus saying to do something

cathcucks and other deceivers can kill anyone they want doesnt mean theyre a saved christian believer

or obeying god

prove it with the bible that jesus promoted this

>>126820357
never happened sorry

when people talk about the violent history of christianity theyre referring to the catholic church never anything that prottys did

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>>126814153

>muh shieldmaidens murdered by Christcucks

This is a myth that has entered into modern ethnonationalist paganism via feminist paganism.

Witch hunts were slightly different depending on time and place, but one thing they were not was some sort of jihad against traditional medicine and paganism. In England, the majority of the witch hunts were used *against Catholics*. Look into Matthew Hopkins and the English Civil War.

There's also a massive chunk of the trials that were young girls being shitty to older women, like the Salem witch trials, where all of the accusers were women.

>>126812704
Nice false equivalence argument. Christianity maybe corrupted but the west moved along quite nicely, see the protestant reformation ......islam sees no use in reform, after all the false prophet is the perfect muslim....it says so many times in their books of blood

>>126820518
These horrible beings [the Puritans] still pretend it was love for civil and religious liberty that brought them to this country; but it was the same kind of civil and religious liberty which the free-booter seeks, to do as he will with the lives and property of all who have no power to resist him.
Alas! their conduct here soon testified that Puritanism and mercy can never amalgamate in the human breast.
Some years later, in November 1888, The New Englander and Yale Review published a critique of George Ellis’ book, The Puritan Age in Massachusetts. Slightly more sympathetic to the actions of Puritan leaders, the reviewer notes (at pages 365-366) that "it was the inspiration of duty, not a grasping for power" which propelled men like Winthrop as they led their followers to America's eastern shore:

>>126820529
Meanwhile

These horrible beings [the Puritans] still pretend it was love for civil and religious liberty that brought them to this country; but it was the same kind of civil and religious liberty which the free-booter seeks, to do as he will with the lives and property of all who have no power to resist him.
Alas! their conduct here soon testified that Puritanism and mercy can never amalgamate in the human breast.
Some years later, in November 1888, The New Englander and Yale Review published a critique of George Ellis’ book, The Puritan Age in Massachusetts. Slightly more sympathetic to the actions of Puritan leaders, the reviewer notes (at pages 365-366) that "it was the inspiration of duty, not a grasping for power" which propelled men like Winthrop as they led their followers to America's eastern shore:

>>126819898
Of course it predates constantine that wansnt my point. Constantine was just a follower of the pagan religion that has its roots in some indo subcontinent religion or egypt or hinduism. I cant remember exactly. Romans were big fans of taking other peoples gods and incorporating them into their own religion. Same thing happened with christianity. Early christians were probably not even called christians much like jesus' name isnt actually jesus.

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>>126812869
fpbp

>>126820683
They were themselves subject to the stern and iron rule of their own principles. They were not restful, or, as we say, happy in themselves. They were perplexed and tormented by vexations of their own invention.
Nor were the clergy any more responsible for this system than were the laity. The Bible, supremely valued and trusted, was the only infallible guide. That was in the hands of the people as well as of the minister. To its authority, interpreted by themselves, all alike bowed submissive. The only advantage which the minister enjoyed was his greater skill in making apt quotations and in applying passages of Scripture to the exigencies of each particular case.
It was in their estimate and use of the Bible that they made, thinks Dr. Ellis, their great mistake. This it was which led directly to much of their intolerance and cruelty, until at last their Biblical Commonwealth had run its allotted course and had fallen a victim to its own impracticable claims.

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>>126812704
>History
>not calling it of as "extreme" Christians

>>126818021
Christianity was not killing when it was started. The whole "changed" narrative is a complete ignorance of history.

>>126812704
So we have 700-1000 years to go before they become as civilized as christians. Can't wait.

>>126812704
History is kind of the word there.... if the inquisition was going on now I'd condemn the shit out of it and help fight back against it... Muslims do no such thing and get offended when you suggest you should.

>>126820821
Good job Hans, that was almost English.

>>126820814
Intolerance of Religious Dissent
Puritans did not tolerate religious dissenters within their own community. Two prominent dissenters were Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson. Williams was a minister who believed forcing people to worship in a single way offended God. He also taught that taking Native American land was sinful, as was killing in the name of Christ. For disputing Puritan doctrine, the town imprisoned Williams and then banished him from the colony. Williams traveled to what is now Rhode Island, and created the colony of Providence, in which he welcomed religious members of all faiths, not just Christian sects. Anne Hutchinson criticized Puritan leaders, claiming they advocated good works instead of faith alone as a means of salvation. She then claimed to receive communications from God, and that she could interpret the Bible on her own. The Puritan court banished her, and she fled to Providence with her husband.
Intolerance of Native Americans

When the Puritans arrived at what would become the Massachusetts Bay Colony, they encountered, and feuded with, indigenous people already living there. The biggest dispute occured with the Pequot tribe. Despite the fact that the Pequot had their own religious traditions, the Puritans defined them as heathens. In 1637, they declared war and killed 600 members of the tribe, many of whom they burned alive. The war was a result of Puritans taking more and more of the indigenous people's land. Because Native Americans did not practice the Puritan's particular brand of faith, the Puritans classified them as ungodly.

>>126812704
The first of the Crusades began in 1095, when armies of Christians from Western Europe responded to Pope Urban II's plea to go to war against Muslim forces

MUSLIMS still being murderous bastards

>>126812869
Fpbp

Although theres nothing wrong in burning some degenerates if im allowed to

key word HAD

>>126820529
>never happened sorry
Defenestration in Prague along with all the other war crimes during the 30 years war and the period after including anything from forceful conversion.
Cromwell's rule of England and just puritans in general.
Whatever the fuck was going on in the colonies at the time which involved a lot of nasty stuff.
I am also leaving the mess that was the Low Lands.

>>126821035

good job alfie, u r is into

>>126812704
DOESN'T COUNT
THEY WEREN'T ~REALLY~ CHRISTIANS

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>>126815276

>You are responsible for the actions of long dead people

You know, I still don't get this. How? I mean I get how this accusation might work on people who actually believe that they can transfer their sins to a magical Jew-zombie who is the son of god but I don't see how it would ever work on an atheist. I mean if this shit is true can't I just transfer my white privilege to a goat and then stab it? I mean apparently responsibility is just absolutely magical in the way it works. Yeah.

>You will bear totally unavoidable financial responsibility for my particular interpretation of history because it's a convenient way to fund the crime-loving work ethic-destroying socialist society I am trying to create through intellectually dishonest pseudo-activism

Oops I figured it out. Commie.

>>126815880
>christians burn people

Its a myth propagated by Protestcucs which were unironically the cause of several stupid stakeburning like the witch trials and (((KKK)))

>>126820984
There are drug cartels and africans doing crazy shit right now that are christian lmao. Apparently the 'i see jesus in my toast' evangelicals are the only christians that exist in your small world.

>>126812704
Christians don't exist in the West anymore.

The Bible tells you to stone gays and kill women if they lose their virginity before marriage. No Christian does that anymore, they're all cucked. Christians 500 years ago wouldn't even consider the modern fake Christians to be Christians, merely heretics.

>There are people here acting like Christian past history violence was bad

>>126821035
i'm drunk bonger
already at my 6th beer, thats the stuff sharia law doesn't approve so you probably only remember it from your memory

>Burning one of your own for heresy vs murdering random strangers completely unassociated with you for not following your religion
>Equivalent
Pick one

>>126815653
if you know little histroy roman christian wasnt able until 333 ac judea was lose some time bout that

>>126812704
they were being bad christians though as the bible speaks out against this type of behaviour. modern terrorists are being good muslims though since the koran condones this behaviour.

>>126813570
Protestant violence and witchhunting was worse, especially in HRE. The stories about cruel medieval inquisition are grossly exaggerated.

>>126815758
>those were catholics

Lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

Unlike (((protestants))), we actually burned jews, moslems, and degenerates at the stake

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>>126821397
>You are responsible for the actions of long dead people
rings a bell senpai

>>126814726
You are the moron. No source for that picture. Just your ass. Also it was white pagans who sold their families to Muslims for profit. Hence the Barbary slave trade. Christians freed white people from Islamic slavery and repelled the invading forces at the battle of tours. You have no fucking clue about history you uncultured dirt eater.

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>>126812704
Deus lo Vult!!! You fucking nigger

>>126812704
Daily reminder: Christianity had no violence prior to 325 AD.

Daily reminder: Islam is violence.

>>126821664
Here are two inconsistent yet common perceptions of the 17th-Century New England settlers:

1. They came for religious freedom, so they were tolerant.
2. They were not tolerant; they were strict and persecuted innocent citizens with their stringent laws of religion.

The 17th-Century New Englanders were Puritans. The word “puritan” gives the adjective “puritanical,” used in common speech to mean “moralistic, rigid, persecutory.” We tend to imagine the Puritans of Boston and Salem as being witch-hunters and locking people in stocks on Boston Common for uttering vulgarities or for kissing – even your spouse – in public. These are the Puritans of The Scarlet Letter. In contrast, we think of the “Pilgrim Fathers” of Thanksgiving’s Plimouth Colonie as laying the groundwork for religious tolerance – they “came to America for their religious freedom.” Within the general lore of early Early New England, accordingly, lies this tension.

Quick clarification: some people make a sharp distinction between the Thanksgiving pilgrims of Plymouth, and the Boston-Salem Puritans. The pilgrims were separatists and the puritans were not separatists. But this is the only difference between them. Their views of religious tolerance are indistinguishable. Therefore I refer to the collective grouping as “Puritans.”

>>126821779
And before Nicaea the ante Nicene fathers deny the five solae

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>>126821741
hahahaha they keep posting ku klux klan because they cant find anything

just look at the ku klux klan with 6 people thats the typical white protestant male!!

>>126821472
Tell that to the pagans who lost the saxon wars

>>126821804
The thesis of the current article is, as the title suggests, that statement number two above is the more truthful of the two. The Puritans elicit our fascination and are an intriguing people to study, a people who were sincere and interesting. But they believed in persecutionism. The purpose of the article is to elaborate on that.

Smithsonian Magazine says

In the storybook version most of us learned in school, the Pilgrims came to America aboard the Mayflower in search of religious freedom in 1620. The Puritans soon followed, for the same reason. Ever since these religious dissidents arrived at their shining “city upon a hill,” as their governor John Winthrop called it, millions from around the world have done the same, coming to an America where they found a welcome melting pot in which everyone was free to practice his or her own faith.

The problem is that this tidy narrative is an American myth…

The much-ballyhooed arrival of the Pilgrims and Puritans in New England in the early 1600s was indeed a response to persecution that these religious dissenters had experienced in England. But the Puritan fathers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony did not countenance tolerance of opposing religious views. Their “city upon a hill” was a theocracy that brooked no dissent, religious or political.

The most famous dissidents within the Puritan community, Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson, were banished following disagreements over theology and policy. From Puritan Boston’s earliest days, Catholics (“Papists”) were anathema and were banned from the colonies, along with other non-Puritans. Four Quakers were hanged in Boston between 1659 and 1661 for persistently returning to the city to stand up for their beliefs.

who the fuck cares what happened then?
its all about now my nigger
get the fuck out shillerino
>>126812704

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>>126821459
>The Bible tells you to stone gays and kill women if they lose their virginity before marriage. No Christian does that anymore

John 8:7

Your knowledge of Christian theology is middle school atheist tier

>>126821927
>ignore all the shit the KKK actually did
Protestant ignoramus

The thesis of the current article is, as the title suggests, that statement number two above is the more truthful of the two. The Puritans elicit our fascination and are an intriguing people to study, a people who were sincere and interesting. But they believed in persecutionism. The purpose of the article is to elaborate on that.

Smithsonian Magazine says

In the storybook version most of us learned in school, the Pilgrims came to America aboard the Mayflower in search of religious freedom in 1620. The Puritans soon followed, for the same reason. Ever since these religious dissidents arrived at their shining “city upon a hill,” as their governor John Winthrop called it, millions from around the world have done the same, coming to an America where they found a welcome melting pot in which everyone was free to practice his or her own faith.

The problem is that this tidy narrative is an American myth…

The much-ballyhooed arrival of the Pilgrims and Puritans in New England in the early 1600s was indeed a response to persecution that these religious dissenters had experienced in England. But the Puritan fathers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony did not countenance tolerance of opposing religious views. Their “city upon a hill” was a theocracy that brooked no dissent, religious or political.

The most famous dissidents within the Puritan community, Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson, were banished following disagreements over theology and policy. From Puritan Boston’s earliest days, Catholics (“Papists”) were anathema and were banned from the colonies, along with other non-Puritans. Four Quakers were hanged in Boston between 1659 and 1661 for persistently returning to the city to stand up for their beliefs.

>>126820520
King james 1611 was ordered by king james translated not by catholics cry harder guy fucks

>>126821967

>it's current year
>tree niggers are still mad their tree burnt down.

>>126815672
This. Christian violence was justified. They dealt with Muslims and other faggots the right way.

>>126822070
We remember from school that the Pilgrims came here to escape persecution and practice their beliefs freely. But from the fact that they came here to practice their beliefs, it doesn’t follow that they believed others had the same right. This is a logical point. A given group may seek a place to practice its beliefs, but that doesn’t mean they believe that anyone else has the same right. For example the Puritans did not have this belief. The notion that everyone should have the right to practice their own religion only gained wide acceptance toward the end of the Puritan era. Such belief in tolerance was first implemented in a major way only later during the Revolutions of France (1789) and the United States (1775).

According to PBS, John Cotton, chief spokesman of the (1630) Boston settlers, said that tolerance is “liberty … to tell lies in the name of the Lord.” In other words, a law protecting freedom of speech is something like a government endorsement of blasphemy. He would have repudiated the first amendment of our Constitution. Imagine letting people talk just any way they want to about God! Dangerous! Such permissiveness could anger God and result in plague, crop failure, demonic possession, and myriad further horrors. As PBS succinctly states:

Ministers like the Reverend John Cotton preached that it was wrong to practice any religion other than Puritanism. Those who did would be helping the devil. They believed they followed the only true religion so everyone should be forced to worship as they did.

>>126821927
Yeah and attacked Irish, Poles, Spaniards, Italians, etc. because reasons. Clearly based amrite? More like jewish subversion

>>126812704
>one person dying in a steak some times

VERSUS

>19 kids having their shit literaly blown out of their bodies

>>126812704
WTF i love islam now

>>126822154
And John Cotton was not a minister of obscure standing! He was the leader of the church in Boston England. When he came from there in 1633 he was given charge of the main church, and because of his prominence our town was named after his town. When he spoke, people listened. What he believed, they believed.

The error lies in the idea that they came with the belief that all people have the right to practice a religion of their own choosing.

The Puritans left England because their own correct view was being repressed. The Church of England was wrong, they believed, ungodly. They were right; God was calling them forth. So they needed to put into practice the right view. They believed nothing should stop them from this. It was God who called them forth to the New World in order to perform this task (as John Winthrop’s sermon to them states). They believed the greatest threat to putting their religion into operation was resistance from dissidents. People who disagreed were in rebellion against God’s will for humanity. God’s will for humanity was to establish in the New World (America) the True Church. The true church would produce the right society, would be loving, and all the people would be happy and well.

>>126821779
Those people were the true followers of jesus. Too bad they were murdered by Constantine because muh heretics even though they were the first christians.

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they were Not real christians

>>126822234
Just as they had been a problem back home for the Church of England which demanded to impose its view, so now non-Puritans would be a problem for the Puritans who demanded to impose their view. This required that other religions should be outlawed, for God’s will is the basis for all Law.

I have disputed the view that the original settlers were models of religious tolerance. The opposite mistake is to think of them as unreflective oppressors, people who, if they had only reflected on it, would suddenly stop their persecutionism because it’s so obviously wrong. This is not precisely correct either. Their persecutionism had an identifiable, conscious motive rooted in the highest values.

They believed religious tolerance was dangerous because they had a vision of a loving society. They gave their lives to achieve it: an inspirational “city upon a hill” that would motivate the world, by their example, to love each other and bring peace on earth. This is the conception and hope that the original settlers had for Boston! This vision is evident in John Winthrop’s “City on a Hill” speech, delivered to the first settlers on the ship before they arrived here. It was their fanatical commitment to a vision of human love and unity that produced this other fanaticism of protectionism. For their heaven on earth could only come if everyone worshiped God correctly.

>>126822140
>Other faggots
You mean actuall christians

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>>126812704
The thing is it's history, Muslims still act like this because they're barbaric sub-60 IQ retards. Atleast Christianity reformed itself to accustom to the modern Western world.

>>126822369
The Puritans were fundamentalists, not modernists. The Enlightenment that produced our modern ideology of politico-religious tolerance was a product of seeds planted in the 17th Century that came to wide fruition only in the 18th Century.

The greatest product of Enlightenment Tolerance is perhaps the United States Constitution in which oppositional factions are embraced within a single system through “checks and balances,” and in its (first-amendment) “establishment clause” (that the government can’t make “laws respecting an establishment of religion”). So it’s understandable that we might be tempted to project backward in time and imagine the first New Englanders, as early Americans, shared the same philosophy as their countrymen from 157 years later. After all, some of the ideas of the first settlers did play a role in shaping the philosophy of the constitutional framers.

>>126815465
>they grow wheat
THE HORROR!!!
THESE MONSTERS PROBALLY EAT FOOD TOO!!!
WHAT WILL THEY DO NEXT, WATER THE PLANTS?!?!

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Before we get on our high horse, let's not forget the terrible deeds done in the name of Christ.

>>126822439
Let not therefore the current article be accused either of hating or glorifying the Puritans. They were a mix. They were human. My intent has been to explain the Puritan view of tolerance, and to correct a common misconception. The worth of understanding the Puritan philosophy is that it makes clear why they persecuted heretics and witches – and yet still allows us to feel some camaraderie with the iconic Pilgrim Fathers. If one has the conception that the Puritans were only open and tolerant, then one finds it impossible to piece together the reason for the Quakers deaths and the witch trials of Salem. The truth is richer and more intriguing than the lore. To reduce the Puritans to a caricature – either of stringency or of openness – is to lose insight into the soul of our country. To dismiss them as “puritanical” pinheads, or glorify them as models of tolerance, is in each case to lose our living connection to them, and, if you’re a tour guide, to lose connection to your material.

>>126812704
Thanks for the 500 year old news. That is a great jelp as we deal with present day radical islam...

>>126812704
>Hey guys, I know children have just been murdered by a muslim but what about christians,. They're the worst r-right?
Christianity has been "reformed". Islam is still a barbaric cult murdering people in current year. Neck yourself.

>>126812704
Yes a thousand years ago. When you have to go back 1000 years in time to prove a point chances are Islam is just a cancerous religion mate

>>126812704
It's too bad we left that behind. We could be burning Muslims at the stake right now instead of apologizing for them whenever they blow our shit up.

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>>126822429
Seeing as I havent been able to use these screencaps and saves I own im going to dump them, take these redpills everybody

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>>126822070
>>126822164
none of us are in the KKK not anyone in any protestant church ive ever been has belonged to the kkk

and that compared to a religion with billions of people
like catholicism

do you know how stupid you sound

discrediting the bible because the KKK existed LOL

thats like discrediting the bible because ultimately satanism exists because the bible which has satan in it

thats like saying the people who commit child sacrifice and drink blood and shit is blamed on jesus because the bible spawned satanism

>>126821900
The five solae didn't even exist until Luther. How can they reject something that they didn't even conceive?

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>>126822719

>>126822734
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

thanks for being ignoramus

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>>126822734
nu/pol/ actually has a problem with the KKK

>>126812704
Go fuck yourself and your favorite goat abdula.

>>126812704
We live in the present you fucking faggot nigger. Kys you fucking retard, you're the reason the west is turning into a third world shit hole.

>two wrongs make a right

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Sorry this pic doesnt work, here's a better one

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>>126823273
Make sure you're saving all this shit newfags and old alike

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>>126823466

Why do you all like to use the "Christian brutality doesn't count because it isn't like that now" but you always like to bring up Mohammad marrying a 6 year old.

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>>126823500
Putting mudslime threat into perspective

>>126822369
Why do basic Barnes & Noble tier history books/magazines always use theses that are just extremist in the sense of completely rejecting irrelevant popular culture narratives and assumptions of history?

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>>126823540
thats not what i say

i say baptists and a few other prot denoms based on the bible never participated in any of this brutality

>>126812704
ok ya we were like them when no one on earth knew anything those monkeys have access to science and stuff and still act like that

>>126812704
There's only record of 500 women being executed for witchcraft in European history.

The Middle East kills more gays than that in a single year

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>>126822734
>kpop posting
>tumblr

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>>126823540
To show how little Islam's changed.

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>>126822927
KKK is a jewish subversion you faggot. They assaulted non anglo whites.

>>126823739
>no true scotsman

>>126820544
It's more about the mass beheading of kings and families that wouldn't submit to the one god, and the destruction of shrines and sacred places, and using certain trees to build their synagogues. This has been done perpetually throughout history by the monotheists. The jews went from the old testament savages to coin-clipping nationwreckers, the christians were manipulated into pacifying the world for the meek, and muslims have been the same way since day one.

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>>126814726
Nothing wrong with accepting people anon, how would you like it if you never got to post on 4chan ever again?
Despite what we say about skin colour, I'd like to think that a base number of contributers here aren't exactly the pure "100%, nordic, blue eyes, blond hair", kinda deal.

>>126823739
the KKK were baptists

I. PROTESTANT INTOLERANCE: AN INTRODUCTION AND OVERVIEW

1. Views of Catholic and Protestant Historians

A. Johann von Dollinger

"Historically nothing is more incorrect than the assertion that the Reformation was a movement in favour of intellectual freedom. The exact contary is the truth. For themselves, it is true, Lutherans and Calvinists claimed liberty of conscience . . . but to grant it to others never occurred to them so long as they were the stronger side. The complete extirpation of the Catholic Church, and in fact of everything that stood in their way, was regarded by the reformers as something entirely natural." (51;v.6:268-9/1)

B. Preserved Smith (Secularist)

"If any one still harbors the traditional prejudice that the early Protestants were more liberal, he must be undeceived. Save for a few splendid sayings of Luther, confined to the early years when he was powerless, there is hardly anything to be found among the leading reformers in favor of freedom of conscience. As soon as they had the power to persecute they did." (115:177)

C. Hartmann Grisar

"At Zurich, Zwingli's State-Church grew up much as Luther's did . . . Oecolampadius at Basle and Zwingli's successor, Bullinger, were strong compulsionists. Calvin's name is even more closely bound up with the idea of religious absolutism, while the task of handing down to posterity his harsh doctrine of religious compulsion was undertaken by Beza in his notorious work, On the Duty of Civil Magistrates to Punish Heretics. The annals of the Established Church of England were likewise at the outset written in blood." (51;v.6:278)

>>126824059
Why are you laughing, you can't even tell who is male or female in your country.

>>126824530
C. Hartmann Grisar

"At Zurich, Zwingli's State-Church grew up much as Luther's did . . . Oecolampadius at Basle and Zwingli's successor, Bullinger, were strong compulsionists. Calvin's name is even more closely bound up with the idea of religious absolutism, while the task of handing down to posterity his harsh doctrine of religious compulsion was undertaken by Beza in his notorious work, On the Duty of Civil Magistrates to Punish Heretics. The annals of the Established Church of England were likewise at the outset written in blood." (51;v.6:278)

D. Henry Hallam (P)

"The Reform was brought about by intemperate and calumnious abuse, by outrages of an excited populace or by the tyranny of princes . . . it instantly withdrew . . . liberty of judgment and devoted all who presumed to swerve from the line drawn by law to virulent obloquy, and sometimes to bonds and death. These reproaches, it may be a shame to us to own, can be uttered and cannot be refuted." (50:295-6/2)

E. Francois Guizot (P)

"The Reformation of the 16th century was not aware of the true principles of intellectual liberty . . . At the very moment it was demanding these rights for itself it was violating them towards others." (50:297/3)

F. William Lecky (P)

"What shall we say of a church . . . that had as yet no services to show, no claims upon the gratitude of mankind . . . which nevertheless suppressed by force a worship that multitudes deemed necessary to salvation? . . . So strong and so general was its intolerance that for some time it may, I believe, be truly said that there were more instances of partial toleration being advocated by Roman Catholics than by orthodox Protestants. " (50:298/4)

>>126813671
Man, why is the current Pope such a cuck? How did he even get elected?

>>126812704
>had

The Lord is coming.

>>126824530
>burnings haven't been a mainstay of the western church since the Imperial era

Ok

>>126824630
2. The Double Standard of Protestant Anti-Catholic "Inquisition Polemics" (John Stoddard)

"Religious persecution usually continues till one of two causes rises to repress it. One is the sceptical notion that all religions are equally good or equally worthless; the other is an enlightened spirit of tolerance, exercised towards all varieties of sincere opinion . . . inspired by the conviction that it is useless to endeavor to compel belief in any form of religion whatsoever. Unhappily this enlightened, tolerant spirit is of slow growth, and never has been conspicuous in history, but if it be asserted that very few Catholics in the past have been inspired by it, the same thing can be said of Protestants.

"This fact is forgotten by Protestants. They read blood-curdling stories of the Inquisition and of atrocities committed by Catholics, but what does the average Protestant know of Protestant atrocities in the centuries succeeding the Reformation? Nothing, unless he makes a special study of the subject . . . Yet they are perfectly well known to every scholar . . . If I do not enumerate here the persecutions carried on by Catholics in the past, it is because it is not necessary in this book to do so. This volume is addressed especially to Protestants, and Catholic persecutions are to them sufficiently well known . . .

"Now granting for the sake of argument, that all that is usually said of Catholic persecutions is true, the fact remains that Protestants, as such, have no right to denounce them, as if such deeds were characteristic of Catholics only. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones . . .

it's funny how you have to look back at thousand years to find evil Christians but only have to look in the newspaper to find evil Muslims.

>>126824747
"It is unquestionable . . . that the champions of Protestantism - Luther, Calvin, Beza, Knox, Cranmer and Ridley - advocated the right of the civil authorities to punish the `crime' of heresy . . . Rousseau says truly:

"`The Reformation was intolerant from its cradle, and its authors were universal persecutors' . . .

Auguste Comte also writes:

"`The intolerance of Protestantism was certainly not less tyrannical than that with which Catholicism is so much reproached.' (Philosophie Positive, vol.4, p.51).

"What makes, however, Protestant persecutions specially revolting is the fact that they were absolutely inconsistent with the primary doctrine of Protestantism - the right of private judgment in matters of religious belief! Nothing can be more illogical than at one moment to assert that one may interpret the Bible to suit himself, and at the next to torture and kill him for having done so!

"Nor should we ever forget that . . . the Protestants were the aggressors, the Catholics were the defenders. The Protestants were attempting to destroy the old, established Christian Church, which had existed 1500 years, and to replace it by something new, untried and revolutionary. The Catholics were upholding a Faith, hallowed by centuries of pious associations and sublime achievements; the Protestants, on the contrary, were fighting for a creed . . . which already was beginning to disintegrate into hostile sects, each of which, if it gained the upper hand, commenced to persecute the rest! . . . All religious persecution is bad; but in this case, of the two parties guilty of it, the Catholics certainly had the more defensible motives for their conduct.

>>126824889
"At all events, the argument that the persecutions for heresy, perpetrated by the Catholics, constitute a reason why one should not enter the Catholic Church, has not a particle more force than a similar argument would have against one's entering the Protestant Church. In both there have been those deserving of blame in this respect, and what applies to one applies also to the other." (92:204-5,209-l0)

>>126824979
Martin Luther

A. Hartmann Grisar

"Luther's intolerance is very much at variance with the Protestant view still current to some extent in erudite circles, but more particularly in popular literature. Luther, for all the harshness of his disposition, is yet regarded as having in principle advocated leniency, as having been a champion of personal religious freedom . . . Below we shall, however, quote a series of statements from Protestant writers who have risen superior to such party prejudice:

B. Walther Kohler (P)

"In Luther's case it is impossible to speak of liberty of conscience or religious freedom . . . The death-penalty for heresy rested on the highest Lutheran authority . . . The views of the other reformers on the persecution and bringing to justice of heretics were merely the outgrowth of Luther's plan; they contributed nothing fresh." (5)

C. Karl Wappler (P)

"Even contempt of the outward Word, carelessness about going to church and contempt of Scripture - in this in-stance . . . the Bible as interpreted by Luther - was now regarded as `rank blasphemy,' which it was the duty of the authorities to punish as such. To such lengths had the vaunted freedom of the Gospel now gone." (6)

>>126812704
The crusades were 100% justified, even from a secular viewpoint.

And most of that "christian" violence wasnt done FOR, but BY christians. There is a difference. Islam has violence FOR AND BY.

>>126825067
D. Johann Neander (P)

"[Luther's views] would justify all sorts of oppression on the part of the State, and all kinds of intellectual tyranny, and were in fact the same as those on which the Roman Emperors acted when they persecuted Christianity." (51;v.6: 266-8)

E. Adolf von Harnack (P)

"It is an altogether one-sided view, one, indeed, which willfully disregards the facts, to hail in Luther the man of the new age, the hero of enlightenment and the creator of the modern spirit. If we wish to contemplate such heroes we must turn to Erasmus [a Catholic] and his associates . . . In the periphery of his existence Luther was an Old Catholic, a medieval phenomenon." (85:193/7)

F. Dean William Inge (P)

"The Anglican Dean Inge, of St. Paul's Cathedral, London, did not hesitate to say . .

'If we wish to find a scapegoat on whose shoulders we may lay the miseries which Germany has brought on the world, I am more and more convinced that the worst evil genius of that country, is not Hitler or Bismarck or Frederick the Great, but Martin Luther.'

And he gave as his reason that in Lutheranism:

'the Law of Nature, which ought to be the court of appeal against unjust authority, is identified with the existing order of society, to which absolute obedience is due.'" (84:382)

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>>126824332
catholics arent christian though so hows that a no true scotsman

you cant just call everyone a "christian" when they belief drastically different things

mormons are supposedly christian but they have an entire book they added onto the bible that changes everything

catholics change a lot of things as well

the attack was obviously on women

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>>126824545
your mistaking flipland to Thailand

>>126824747
So let me condense your point; humanism and Liberal political elements (separation of church and state) aren't inherent aspects of Protestant belief? With a tendency towards the exact opposite and only demanding of religious freedom to benefit themselves?

Ok? What's your point? That we should accept Islamic refugees because we're being hypocritical?

>>126825134
Protestants ARENT christian

Deal with it

The early Christians prove me right

>>126812704
Well shit I guess we should just let Islam kill a bunch of people for 400 years so it's Even Stevens then.

>>126825302
Protestantism is authoritarian in practice

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here sola fide rejected by a pre Nicene christian

>>126815592
This. I'm already calling for violence against muslims.

4. John Calvin

A. Will Durant (Secularist)

"Calvin was as thorough as any pope in rejecting individualism of belief; this greatest legislator of Protestantism completely repudiated that principle of private judgment with which the new religion had begun. He had seen the fragmentation of the Reformation into a hundred sects, and foresaw more; in Geneva he would have none of them." (122:473)

B. Georgia Harkness (P)

"There was little political liberty in Geneva under Calvin's regime, and still less of religious liberty. His practical influence was on the side of an autocratic state and complete conformity of the individual to the established powers." (123:222)
5. Heinrich Bullinger: Most Tolerant of the Intolerant (Will Durant)

Bullinger was undoubtedly the most tolerant Protestant Founder:

"[He] avoided politics . . . sheltered fugitive Protestants, and dispensed charity to the needy of any creed . . . he approached a theory of general religious freedom." (122:413)

But even Bullinger favored Calvin's execution of Servetus and the burning of witches, as we shall see later.
6. The 17th Century: Rutherford, Milton, Locke

The tradition of intolerance among Protestants did not soon die out. According to Protestant historian Owen Chadwick:

"The ablest defence of persecution during the 17th century came from the Scottish Presbyterian Samuel Rutherford (A Free Disputation Against Pretended Liberty Of Conscience, 1649)." (120:403)

John Milton and John Locke, otherwise relatively "enlightened" Protestants, argued for tolerance, but excluded Catholics - the former in his Areopagitica (1644), and the latter in his first Letter Concerning Toleration (1689). (78:1384)

>>126812704
>This argument

Okay, Christianity is currently not being violent and oppressive. Islam is.

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>>126825134
>Jesus says to Saint Peter "You'll lead my church bro"
>Saint peter says "Sure think senpai"
>Church heads in bad directions because humans are flawed
>Church has some bad history because humans are flawed
>Church is still the one started by Saint Peter
>Not christian

nigga, you must be retarded!

>>126825127
No ones talking crusade. Let the two imperialist religions duke it out. Christians exterminated pagans and even early christians they deemed heretics.

7. The Persecuted Become the Persecutors!

One of the many tragi-comic ironies of the Protestant Revolution is the fact that even persecuted Protestants failed to see the light:

"Often the resistance to tyranny and the demand for religious freedom are combined, as in the Puritan revolution in England; and the victors, having achieved supremacy, then set up a new tyranny and a fresh intolerance." (123:222)

"Multitudes of Non-Conformists fled from Ireland and England to America; . . . What is amazing is the fact that, after such experiences, those fugitives did not learn the lesson of toleration, and did not grant to those who differed . . . freedom . . . When they found themselves in a position to persecute, they tried to outdo what they had endured . . . Among those whom they attacked was . . . the Society of Friends, otherwise known as Quakers." (92:207)

In Massachusetts, for successive convictions, a Quaker would suffer the loss of one ear and then the other, the boring of the tongue with a hot iron, and sometimes eventually death. In Boston three Quaker men and one woman were hanged. Baptist Roger Williams was banished from Massachusetts in 1635 and founded tolerant Rhode Island (92:208). To his credit, he remained tolerant, an exception to the rule, as was William Penn, who was persecuted by Protestants in England and founded the tolerant colony of Pennsylvania. Quakerism (Penn's faith) has an honorable record of tolerance since, like its predecessor Anabaptism, it is one of the most subjective and individualistic of Protestant sects, and eschews association with the "world" (governments, the military, etc.), whence lies the power necessary to persecute. Thus, Quakers were in the forefront of the abolition movement in America in the first half of the 19th century.

>>126824247
KKK's original purpose as the narrative goes in a lot of states that lost the war, was to stop looters. Many of whom were northern yanks. (Carpetbaggers)

In fact, I'd wager at first, that most KKK murders were against white looters.

Dissensions plagued Protestantism from the start, even though one would think that a religion stressing individualism and conscience would be free from such shortcomings and would promote mutual respect. The myth of Protestant magnanimity and peaceful coexistence (especially in its infancy) dies an unequivocal death as the facts are brought out:

A. Patrick O'Hare

"A volume might be filled with indubitable facts to prove the intolerant spirit of Luther and of the various sects which his rebellion originated. The quarrels, hostilities and jealousies that constantly arose among one and all made them a prey to the fiercest dissensions. They anathematized and persecuted each other . . . and indulged in the coarsest and vilest invective . . . The Lutherans . . . denounced and excluded the reformed Calvinists from salvation. The Calvinists roused up the people against the Lutherans . . . Zwingli complained of Luther's intolerance when he was the victim . . . but he and his followers threw the poor Anabaptists into the Lake of Zurich, enclosed in sacks." (50:293)

B. Calvin's Revealing Letter to Melanchthon

"It is indeed important that posterity should not know of our differences; for it is indescribably ridiculous that we, who are in opposition to the whole world, should be, at the very beginning of the Reformation, at issue among ourselves." (50:293)

Melanchthon replied:

"All the waters of the Elbe would not yield me tears sufficient to weep for the miseries caused by the Reformation." (92:88/12)

C. Johannes Janssen

Janssen, author of a 16-volume history of Germany during "Reformation" times, claimed that:

"The Protestant sects derided each other in just as immoderate and undignified a way as they one and all derided the papacy . . . Cursing and blaspheming were as frequent as praying was rare." (111;v.16:4-5)

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>>126821755

Checked. I never did support giving current Germans shit over Hitler and look how that's turned out, the Germans are the most guilt ridden people I can think of. In a way Hitler is still killing Europeans.

>>126825947
Luther and Lutherans on Zwingli and His Followers

"I will not read the works of these people, because they are out of the Church, and are not only damned themselves, but draw many miserable creatures after them." (113;v.1:466)

"Zwingli was an offspring of hell, an associate of Arius (13), a man who did not deserve to be prayed for . . ." (113;v.1:466)

"Zwingli was greedy of honour . . . he had learnt nothing from me . . . Oecolampadius thought himself too learned to listen to me or to learn from me." (51;v.4:309/14)

"Zwinglians . . . are fighting against God and the sacraments as the most inveterate enemies of the Divine Word." (111;v.5:220-21/15)

"Heretics who had broken away . . . ministers of Satan, against whom no exercise of severity, however great, would be excessive." (50:286)

"It would be better to announce eternal damnation than salvation after the style of Zwingli or Oecolampadius." (46:85)

Luther rejoiced at the news of Zwingli's death on the battlefield in 1531, and said that he had met "an assassin's end" (46:86). And when Zwingli's associate Oecolampadius shortly followed him to the grave, Luther concluded that "the devil's blows have killed him." (46:86)

"It is well that Zwingli . . . lies dead on the battlefield . . . Oh, what a triumph this is . . . How well God knows his business." (45:139)

"Zwingli is dead and damned, having desired like a thief and a rebel, to compel others to follow his error." (113; v.1:466)