The great Varg-Golden One War

Varg is right

Varg is always right

So is he a murderer?

They both should read Umberto Eco's - Baudolino than they'll probably figure it out.

The same way Byzantine Empire fell, while they were arguing trivialities, finding a retreat to live `like in good ol` days`, barbarians stormed unprepared city.

You two should read this.

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>>126799012
disagree with varg on this one.

You can be Nordic and still have brown hair.

Blue eyes are standard Nordic however. Brown eyes indicate that you are part other in your heritage.

Meds are glorious Europeans, and they dont have blue eyes generally speaking.

Blue eyed = Nordic, arayan.

Both brown eyed meds and blue eyed nords are Europeans, so this is a silly debate.

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I'd take a brown haired brown eyed man like Mads Mikkelsen to represent Europeans any day over a blonde blue eyed nordid like Varg, based purely on skull structure, much closer to the original cromagnon race than standard nordids(and meds for that matter) are.

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marcus your time is nigh

>>126801343
Who is this handsome man?

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>>126801758
my nigga Mads Mikkelsen(no homo)

>>126799693
If a guy wanted to incapacitate you to torture and possibly kill you on tape, and you killed him before he could do that, is that murder?

>>126800992
t. norwegian with irish thrall/spanish castaway blood

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So how important is this?

>>126800814
best answer

though admittedly, varg is the faggot

>>126799012
>Young and strong man who's trying to gather followers to battle degeneracy, as hopeless as it might be, who's main inspiration is WH40K but so be it
vs.
>Old cuck who hides in a foreign country who killed someone for fun and thinks that burning churches should be a top priority for anyone caring about the "true" Europe

>>126799012
Wait I thought the meet up was a April fools joke?

>>126803754
You are retarded and don't know shit about varg

He moved to a different country because he was used as a scapegoat for all the nowergian extreme metal scene stuff in the 90s, he even uses a different name in france.

Also he killed in self-defense and does not advocate church burnings (but does not weep for them, since christians did the same at much greater scale to the nordics).

>>126803422
this decides the fate of the universe

Anyway the Golden One is wrong about NS Germany and christianity. Yes, they opened up a bit about it for political reasons but the ultimate goal was to repaganize Germany and cast catholicism aside.

>>126804426
Which makes sense. hmm 40,000 years old european tradition vs ~2000 years old desert cult

>>126800814
Agreed, my lad.

>>126799693
Yes, absolutely.

>>126801343
>>126802241
Looks like a manlier Kevin Sorbo.

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>>126803754
40K is the height of glory.

>>126804781
He went to prison. He served his time. He was rehabilitated. If people are going to hold a never ending grudge against people who served their punishment, what is the prison/justice system for?

>>126799012
Thank God their real life meetup is over or else Varg'd probably stab him

>>126799012
i watched literally 10 seconds of the golden autist vid.
in that time he called himself magnificent and flexed his bicep on camera for no apparent reason.
so much cringe.
anyone who watches that beta autist is a beta autist.

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>>126799012
At what point will someone tell Varg that he's part Hun? He don't look Nordic at all with those beady eyes.

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>>126799012
>tfw 0.00001% walloon
Varg will never accept me

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>>126800814
Truly glorious post.

>>126804333
Yeah, I truly apologize for not being intimately familiar with the tragic history of an altogether irrelevant metalhead turned farmboy, who's main source for historical data is his wife from a country foreign to his own, and who's philosophical depth can be accurately summarized by saying "WE WUZ VIKANGZ". He's living in the past and he will never be the one to carry the torch into the future.

>>126805391
He's married to a white woman and has a whole litter of white children raised apart from degenerate western (((culture)))

So far he put more effort to save the future than his opposition

>>126799012
The golden sodomite is pro sodomy so ima have to go with varg

>>126805963
>The golden sodomite is pro sodomy

Is this real? Would not surprise me, somehow it seems every alt-right icon is into it

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>>126800814
This

>>126806110
He thinks homosexuality is a natural phenomena. He's redpilled on it, he just doesn't hate fags. So double digit IQ shit posters just assume he's pro-sodomy due to this.

>>126805963
>The golden sodomite is pro sodomy
Not true.

This. >>126806363

>>126805938
Sure, I'm not denying that whatsoever. That doesn't for a second imply that anyone should listen to his historical or philosophical presentations.

>>126806363
To be fair neither does Varg, he says ancient europeans really didn't give it much thought.

Then again extreme faggotry is a recent phenomena, for millenia it was a private sexual act then last century it became some sort of culture

>>126806363
Literally no reason to hate gays. In fact, we should encourage them to avoid heterosexual encounters, and to be as gay as they can so that we can save the next generation from degeneracy.

>>126803754
Hear, hear.

>>126799012
>i am a really humble guy
HA good one

>>126799012
>An autist and a fagot will discuss about European nationalism

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HOLMGANG WHEN?

>>126809287
>the golden one
>faggot
αυτοkτονα kρυφοπουσταρα

>>126809504
λολ έχει kαι στην Ελλάδα groupies αυτή η αδερφή; Νόμιζα ότι ήμασταν πιο αρσενιkά.

>>126809901
1 question: dyel? if you are a skinnyfat beta bitch you have no right to post in a golden thread

>>126806956
>>126807067
I agree.

The whole thing where some see homosexuals as a thing to be purged in fire for merely existing isn't even white imo.

>>126799012
I dont get it. I used to know Varg. I am Norwegian, and the same age (yeah I know the IP is Dutch faggots).

Anyway. Is he like famous now? Only on 4chan or what?

Please advice.

tpbp

>>126805225
oh man, that's just sad

>>126812733
He lives a plain life in french countryside with his wife and kids, and has an youtube channel where he talks about european tradition and assorted stuff

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What kind of retardation is this

the only reason anybody cares about blonde hair and blue eyes is to make more white women

>>126812733
If not b8, yeah. He started a youtube channel and got a big following. It's how he supported his family before the Adpocalypse.

varg just said he could beat the golden one in a duel, could he?

Golden one preaches self improvement and becoming the best version of yourself.
While Varg thinks all you need is blue eyes/blonde hair. Which is completely retarded when you have mixed niggers with those traits. The thing that matters the most is skull structure and Vargbitch looks like he has some sami in him. Wonder if he had to choose between brown eyed euro or blue eyed mutt, which one he would pick. Prob the mutt.

>>126805146
>flexed his bicep on camera for no apparent reason.
>so much cringe.
U mirin?

>>126813937
Varg is a little bitch twig, while golden one trains and lifts weights. Wouldn't even be a contest if it was hand to hand.

>>126813700
>>126814122
Blonde hair and blue eyes shows a body adapted to live in europe

>>126800814
>Reading actual literature instead of watching Youtube videos

wtf

>>126814309
Varg does manual labor everyday, that severely beats lifting in developing strength

Muscle definition at the level of golden one is purely aesthetics.

>>126814776
(also golden one juices)

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>>126799012

>>126799012
Varg seems to tolerate no opinion other than his own, even when the differences are trivial at best, and becomes aggressive towards anyone who questions him. You can see how someone with his character might turn to murder.

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>>126802241
Looks like he got the best genes of the family.

Pic is his brother.

picking a fight with varg isnt a good idea, he'll stab you 23 times in the face in self defense.

>>126815297
>You can see how someone with his character might turn to murder.

You mean self-defense

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>>126815453

>>126799012
I side with the Golden One.
After visiting Italy, Genova, Rome, seeing the churches, there is no way you can deny the artistic beauty and effort put into it.

You can criticize the kike on a stick all you want it doesn't make churches any less beautiful. Burning them down is muslim-tier

>>126806281
is this underage?

>>126804545
>40K years
Got a sauce for that, chooch? Any relics or written history of this glorious 40k year reign?

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>>126815093
AYÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ WIR WAREN PHALANX UND HETAROI N SHEIßE!!

>>126815650
Mosques can be very beautiful too. Same can't be said about the ideology that they contain. Aesthetics is a superficial thing to cling to.

>>126814335
In scandanavia yes, in the much warmer climates of southern europe no.
>>126814776
Ahahaha the delusion. All he does is collect welfare and ocasionally shitposts on youtube for money. He hasn't worked a honest day in his entire life.

>>126799012
When you have a video names Adolf Hitler and Christianity then you know shit is going to be stirred. There is this fascination with Christians about Adolf Hitler and they forget Poland was 90% Christian when Hitler attacked them, not to mention every one of their leaders was a Christian. But lets ignore this and the fact Hitler was looting churches and how Pope and royal Christian family tried to assassinate Hitler on multiple occasions. Neo-Nazi Christians don't care about this.

>>126814776
>>126814875
I didn't even want to entertain this debate because it's b8 and absurd, but these points need to be made.

>Varg does manual labor everyday, that severely beats lifting in developing strength

Delusional desu. Power lifting and Olympic lifting are efficient, safe and proven methods of getting stronger. Anyone who is capable of doing these things and not doing them, at this point, is objectively not white.

TGO has trained weights for at least a decade, supplementing his heavy training with some bodybuilding principles for aesthetic development, on top of his strength training. Every man should be doing this, and combining it with martial arts training. Manual labor does not compete in athletic performance tests, nor is it useful for anything other than achieving a goal. If you have to work construction, or you build a permaculture garden like Varg, that's great. But it's no substitute for a good strength training program and diet.

>also golden one juices

If he is, know that he went the first 20+ years of his life w/o touching the stuff. And has advocated that young men who do plan on using gear wait until their mid-20's at least, because many Caucasian men don't stop developing naturally until about that age. He recommended this is for both health and psychological reasons. He said he does plan to use TRT, but not until he's in his 30's or older. He's in his mid-20's right now.

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>>126815926
40k sauce? anytime fellow member of the imperium

>>126816173
>In scandanavia yes, in the much warmer climates of southern europe no.

warmth in northern hemisphere is a rather infrequent thing though. There's a reason ancient mediterraneans weren't that distinguished from nordics

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>>126801343
Well, there's a reason why we owned Norway, and not the other way around.

>>126799012
>>126801343
the most pure europeans are sardinians and basques, both of whom are mostly swarthy and brown eyed. blue eyes and fair hair came from central asian invaders ~11,000 years ago.

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>>126815926
European culture dates back over 40,000 years.

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>>126804426

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>>126805938
Start having white children

>>126816998
iirc they found some structures on a cave made by 'thals almost 200 thousand years ago.

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>>126799012
Varg hates Americans, tells those of European stock to migrate back to their homeland or kill themselves. The Golden One isn't a fucking faggot. I support Golden One over Varg but I like Varg's music, Burzum is awesome.

>>126816119
>Aesthetics is a superficial thing to cling to
lmao shows how much you know about paganism. literally the pinnacle of pagan philosophy and thought was the theory of aesthetic virtue.

>>126817226
I agree with removing all desert tales from christianity it never played any role in the religions purpose for a moral society.

>>126815505
You mean murder.
Actually look into the case instead of listening to someone who tries to forget that they're a natural brunette.

>>126817238
It's crazy anon. Especially that find earlier this week. I was pretty certain of the out of Africa story and time frame up until then. It was cool of you to mention that, how far back whites actually go regarding that continent.

>>126816985
that doesn't seem to be the case, blue eyes were almost at fixation among west European hunter gatherers, the oldest of which is a 14k forager from Italy

previous foragers were indeed brown eyed but they mostly died out

secondly, while Sardinians and Basques are "pure" in a sense, they are so in a neolithic sense, which includes a very sizeable chunk of DNA from anatolian invaders somewhat related to near easterners who brought farming

when it comes to native European input, Basques and Latvians/Lithuanians have the highest WHG-like DNA, although their phenotype is more modern of course

>>126817171
that's exactly what I'm saying, he got close to christians for purely political reasons, but it's no secret for anyone that NSs were all about restoring traditional Germanic culture

>>126817244
Europe is the homeland of white people so what's wrong with that? He doesn't mean it in ill will

>>126815505
>You mean self-defense

He drove to a mans house in the dead of night and stabbed him to death. That's not self-defense you ignorant favella monkey.

... varg isn't blonde.
Also if we go by Varg's retarded theory that Neanderthals evolved into Europeans, most of them were red-headed with ruddy skin.

>>126817812
no euroynmous just fell on a lamp.

>>126818126
attack is the best form of defense

>>126816985
Objectively bullshit. Euro hunter gatherers had blue eyes and dark skin. It was their genetic contribution that made blue eyes a common thing in some parts of Europe Their paternal descendants are almost exclusively haplogroup I, with some minor outliers of C and a few others. They mixed with neolithic farmers who had light skin and dark eyes, and eventually invaders who had light hair and lighter phenotypes.

>>126800814
Quoting Umberto Eco on /pol/. Damn there are smart people here after all.

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>muh youtube celebrity war
why cant varg go back to making good black metal instead of larping as the saviour of the white race or whatever

>>126818126
Well Varg's the only surviving witness of the incident, and considering at this point he has nothing to lose I am inclined to believe him

Euronymous was an insane, megalomaniacal little man largely responsible for all the crimes piled on Varg as a scapegoat, it doesn't seem far-fetched that he would attack Varg when confronted about planning to abduct and torture him

>>126799366
First post best motherfuckin post. Varg reads his YT comments and if you have a good idea he will make a video on it.

t. master race haplo

>>126799012

None of this matters.

These people don't matter.

They have no power and don't do anything of value.

They are just people with opinions, like everything else.

You need to sort yourself out and start looking for hero worship in the shittiest of places.

>>126818941
Can someone clean vargs name?
Why did varg kill him?
Was varg attacked?

>>126819057
Varg responded to my comments on catholicism.

>>126818915
he now thinks that rock music is african, and therefore so is metal and black metal. now he chooses to make purely European nintendo music.

>>126818738
I don't get the le Basque most pure argument. It's fucking absurd. Scandinavians have the highest % of EHG DNA as well as Yamna DNA. There are few others who have such a high % of autosomal DNA and sex chromosome DNA of prehistoric european populations. Far more than Basque, who aren't pure anything at all anymore. In terms of lineage, the Basque have a comparatively lower % of prehistoric European paternal haplogroups.

>>126818611
>>126818941

>Suspect a man is trying to murder you
>Call the cops
>He goes to jail and you live out the rest of your days in peace

That is how most people handle that situation. Instead, Varg went to that mans house and stabbed him in the head. How he has the nerve to claim that it was all done is self dense is beyond me.

>>126799012
>going to Varg's house in order to disagree with him
Golden One confirmed for absolute mad man

>>126799012
WEWUZ VI-KANGZ AN SHEIT!

>>126819456
Euronymous was unstable and everyone inside the real scene at the time knew that. You think it's odd that once Varg was on his face confronting him about his conspiracy he would turn violent?

Why would he kill the guy otherwise, for lulz?

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>>126819388
>muh haplogroups
EHGs didn't inhabit much of west and central Europe and can be modeled as mixed with a Siberian population, the infamous ancient north Eurasians(group based on the M'Aalta boy, thus not native European)
Yamnaya were seemingly about 50%EHG/50% CHG so not exactly very native European either when compared to WHGs

>>126817956
Yes it's the homeland, but we also conquered North America. So why should we abandon what we conquered?

>>126815926
Please research before you niggerpost, pls.

>>126819895
because he's an unstable autist who can't handle even the mildest disagreement.

>>126799012
>100% Bavarian phenotype
vs
>maybe making enemies with other whites is a bad idea in the current year

hmm

>>126818126
>He drove to a mans house in the dead of night >and stabbed him to death.
Those two are seperate events, mate. Stop conflating them.

>>126799012
>blowing up
They both shower each other with support, and are having a minor spat. I'd say varg came off as hostile but I think his demeanour lends itself to that interpretation anyway.

>>126799012
>LARPer vs /fit/ swede
Golden will win the only person Varg killed was a fellow degenerate.

>>126820043
additionally, the "natives" have been reduced to ~3 million in a massive continent-spanning territory, the vast majority of whom are heavily mixed with europeans. there is practically no one to "give it back" to.

who the fuck cares. Why do you need to have someone explain to you what your views are?

>>126799012
Fuck Varg, The Golden One seems more rational

>>126819262
Yeah, he made one about DNA and haplogroup for me. It was classic Varg but I was happy to know that he does listen.

>>126820340
>thinking juiced up muscles equals strength

>>126820571
I want to like varg but he needs to fix this shit with euroanonymous murder

>>126820013
Haplogroups are rather important seeing as we know so little about them, I wouldn't brush them off so easily.

>>126820646
>4pl8 bench isn't strong enough
also he's natty.

>>126799012
Wait a minute, did the Golden one really go over to Varg's place?
I thought that was just an April Fool's joke?

>>126820646
Im going to break down how retarded your post is brazil

varg is old and has smaller muscles than Marcus

Marcus is younger and has more muscle

what is to question that marcus is stronger you stupid oobongo

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>>126820501
Stop disagreeing.

>>126821130
varg lives on a small hobby farm, obviously that makes him stronger than someone who has dedicated a significant portion of his life to strength training for over a decade and is in his physical prime to boot, DUH

>>126816998
But Indo-European religion being in Europe ( Norse Paganism ) only dates back to the bronze age. It's a steppe religion. No better than a desert religion. It's not the religion of the original Europeans that existed before the Indo-European migrations.

>>126821348
thanks america now it all makes sense what brazil was trying to say

>>126820987
they are important to trace migrations but when you want to understand how related two groups are you have to look at the whole picture aka all chromosomes
some WHGs had Y-DNA C, some I, now they found many in the Balkans with R1b, yet they were pretty strongly related with each other

>>126820751
No way those muscles are naturally developed.

>>126802241
Looks like liam neeson.

>>126820013
>le Basque historian

You presuppose a good deal of bullshit by ignoring the validity of haplogroups. It is relatively recent historic meme ethnic group compared to the tens of thousands of years HG IJ and it's descendants (with some smaller outlier populations) roamed most of Europe.

>>126821463
difference is that it came with large population changes, so you really have a religion tied to blood in the case of aryan religions(in most cases at least), also influenced by old Europeans anyway
and second, they were far better in terms of actual beliefs

>>126821901
>again with muh haplogroups
open a goddamn book and see >>126821561
your precious haplogroups are small sequences in the Y chromosome, and the Y chromosome, while important, is only a minimal part of your whole 23 pairs of chromosomes

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>>126821762
Neeson got a stronger nasal root, very majestic.

>>126821561
I completely agree. Much like E1b1b1a1b, it is all fascinating to study (I've been injured recently and this study has become a hobby of mine, Eupedia is cancer though).

>>126804426
>Yes, they opened up a bit about it for political reasons but the ultimate goal was to repaganize Germany and cast catholicism aside.
Repaganize? Doubtful. Hitler called out Judaizied Christianity. Ironically Catholicism is the least Judaized compared to Protestantism (Orthodox even less so). Protestants value the jew testament, books of jewish fairytales and myths involving child sacrifice, incest, and genocide. Catholics don't give a shit about these Hebrew lies except the Psalms. Protestantism is ironically and sadly German but now all protestants are basically messianic jews

>>126799012
I'm more traditionalist, racist and tribalist than the golden one, definitely less tolerant.
However, Varg has said some really dumb fucking things in his time. He has good spirit, but poor knowledge.

>>126821561
>>126822177
Do you have any book/study recommendations? Or websites that won't try to bluepill me to death?

>>126821956
The population changes are exaggerated, in reality it was just a few Aryans with superior tech that became the elite class in a Europe full of nomads.

>>126822708
I agree on that but I also doubt they wouldn't have eventually thrown even catholicism away, despite its higher "paganization", so to speak. Catholicism isn't fully pagan either, unfortunately.

>>126821956
So, if Muslims mass migrate to Europe, thus causing large population changes, does the true European religion become Muslim?

No, of course not.

Indo-European religions are not native to Europe. They come from the steppe. True European religions existed for tens of thousands of years in Europe before they were wiped out. Indo-European religions were only present in Europe for a few thousands years at most, before they were in turn wiped out.

If your argument is that people in Europe have Indo-European blood, therefore their religion is now the "native" religion to Europe, then you're ignoring all the blood Europeans have that exists from before the Indo-European invaders, which in many parts of Europe is much larger than the genetic contribution of IEs. And you're setting a precedent that if the population becomes of majority arab blood in the next few generations, then Islam will now be the "native" religion of Europe, and what came before "doesn't count".

>>126822735
His knowledge tends to lean towards the folklore side of things, he often eschews genuine genetic research which is frustrating. You have to take him for what he is and not expect too much from him.

Golden one has my support.

>>126823006
>True European religions existed for tens of thousands of years in Europe before they were wiped out.
Do we know anything about them?

>>126823006
point is that native European religion is irrelevant when the native Europeans of 40k years ago do not exist anymore as a race

Indo-Euro religions are native to Europeans in the sense that they are the religions of the European races after they became what they are in their current form

you are forgetting that Indo-Euroepan religions in Europe are indeed influenced by native cults as well, so they are an amalgamation in both blood and spirit

yes, if muslim/nigger invasion of Europe radically changes Europeans to the point that Europeans as we know them today stop existing as a race, then whatever religion comes later can be considered "native"

>>126823424
Unfortunately not. Just like we don't know much about the Indo-European steppe religions that wiped them out ( Norse Paganism, Celtic Paganism ).

If not knowing much about one makes them irrelevant, then surely the same would apply for the other?

>>126822883
I just google pdfs about it really, as I do with most scientific matters. I like to get various accounts of the same thing. It's the best thing as you get all sides of the story, which is important since ancient population genetics has lots of overlapping with archeology and is subject to various differing ideas.

>>126823006
Interesting. Do you know where I can read more about this subject?

>>126823504
by your logic then the "native" european religion is christianity.

>>126823835
clearly not because christianity didn't come with any population replacement, there was "conversion" for various reasons, not racial assimilations

>>126821463
In many ways, yes. I'm not a pagan type or a Varg shill. regarding Norse Paganism, I think it was likely a combination of cultural practices. There were some migratory groups of farmers who had settled and cohabited regions with Euro hunter-gatherers, before the Steppe invasion you speak of, and I'm sure there was some degree of contribution from them to into what would become ancient European culture.

I find those 40k year old artworks and etc to be really fascinating. They were one of the first real human cultures we know of, and their artistic ability was incredible.

>>126822177
I never disputed the information in >>126821561. I'm saying haplogroups aren't irrelevant. You can have all the fucking chromosomes you want, but the descendants of the first Europeans are haplogroup I men. Lineage isn't an irrelevant factor, and it doesn't (((just reveal migration patterns))) or mere PC bullshit of that nature. Haplogroups are a useful tool, and can teach us about historical realities that were never written down.

Plus, by ignoring the migratory patterns (especially of maternal lineages) you fail to see why Nordics have the lower % of "pure" euro chromosomes. They were importing exotic roasties regularly at certain parts of their history, and have greater genetic diversity as a result.

>>126823504
So Christianity is now the "native" religion of Europe? Since it was a radical change from the "native" Indo-European religions?

Also, genetically speaking, most Europeans today are closer to the old Europeans than the Indo-Europeans. It was not an ethic replacement like you're suggesting. It was an invading people forcing their religion onto Europe. Same as Christianity did to IE religions, and same as will possibly happen with Islam to Christianity.

>>126823188
Absolutely. I have been waiting for an opportune time to drop a textwall in response to one of his vids just outlying my stance on what I have read when it comes to anthropology and phylogenetics.
His ideas lack nuance, he's not entirely wrong, but not entirely right. He's prone to throwing the baby out with the bathwater instead of sifting through to find what's true and what is false.
I do believe there is a strong case, for example, that the distinction between modern human races is due to each race having distinct ancestry from archaic humans going back over 150 thousand years more than mainstream scientists are willing to admit.
I also believe that it is entirely possible that we got our blonde hair from Neanderthals, as an example of this.
I do not believe that black hair is a sign that a person has non-white admixture. I do not believe that all humans exist on a continuum between nordic and negro, and that races have essentially arisen out of admixtures of those.
It seems to me that it is counterproductive of Vikernes to even allude to the idea that the human ancestors from which many Europeans got dark hair and eyes have anything to do with contemporary sub-saharan africans.
That, to me, sounds more like "muh David Reich" shilling than anything else. It fits right in with the narrative of the impurity of Europeans as a race.
And yet he's happy to throw dark haired Europeans under the bus just because he's blonde.
It's fucking stupid.

>>126823637
Norse and celtic paganism did not wipe out the PIE religion, they stem from the PIE religion

>>126824110
>So Christianity is now the "native" religion of Europe?
no, goddammit, see >>126823934

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>>126799012
Whoever Pewdiepie gets behind

>>126824110
also, unless you are Sardinian, most Europeans are above at least 15% in Yamnaya input, with many in the north going well over 50%
so the only ones who could be complaining are Sardinians, really

>>126824163
Like I said in my post..Indo Europeans did not genetically replace old Europeans. Especially not in Italy, my friend. You are much closer to the pre-Indo Europeans than the original Indo-Europeans.

>>126823803
Thanks, I have been doing the same with a mix of forums for opinions that do not fit my bias. I have been wrapped up in two particular haplos vecause so little is know about them (U5a2 and E1b1b1a1b).

>>126824473
>did not genetically replace old Europeans
never said "replace", but their input was very strong almost everywhere, even Iberians have a non trivial Yamnaya input, so it was indeed an amalgamation as I said, unlike with christianity

>>126823934
the pagan population was replaced by a christian one. or do you think pagan population with little genetic change had the same beliefs in 500 AD as they did in 40,000 BC?

ultimately christianity is derived from ancient near eastern paganism anyways. of the type that the earliest europeans would likely have adhered to. it wasn't ACTUALLY a divine revelation -unless you're a biblical fundamentalist. the whole christian/pagan dichotomy is fallacious from an identitarian perspective and is fueled by absurd fundamentalism on both sides.

>>126824730
>the pagan population was replaced by a christian one
by conversion, there's little support for any major population shifts in Europe aside from Britain of course with the Angles-Saxons and other Scandinavians

>ultimately christianity is derived from ancient near eastern paganism anyways. of the type that the earliest europeans would likely have adhered to
lol, that's an absolute stretch and most likely very false

>>126824329
This isn't true. Yamnaya, or Indo-European, or Metal Age Invader, or whatever you want to call that influx, their input tops out around 20%.
Northern Europeans notably top out around 50% for palaeolithic, ie pre-neolithic, pre-agrarian, and pre-indo-european DNA.
The remainder (around 30% give or take), is representative of the neolithic, agrarian admixture that contributed to the European gene pool in between the aforementioned two.

When it comes to Sardinian affinity with those early agrarians, a lot of people suspected that they got that from admixture from the middle east. more recent studies suggest that in fact, the Sardinians exist as a more pure example of those early agrarians and that it is middle eastern people who have since become admixed with later influxes.

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>>126799012
on the topic of churches i believe that the old churches are a sing of achievements in architecture and engineering from the native peoples of Europe and for that reason they are European. Demolishing them would be a waste should turn them pagan if they like.

>>126799012
I knew this would happen months ago. My biggest issue with varg is he cant handle anyone disagreeing with him on any matter.

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>>126822708
http://www.verfassungen.de/de/de33-45/wehr35.htm
§ 14. Wehrpflichtausnahmen. Zum Wehrdienst dürfen nicht herangezogen werden:
...
2. Wehrpflichtige römisch-katholischen Bekenntnisses, die die Subdiakonatsweihe erhalten haben.
Translation:
Conscription exemptions. The military service not permited by:
...
2. Romancatholics, who received subdecan

http://www.muenchenwiki.de/wiki/M%C3%BCnchner_Kirchenzeitung
>Eine Vorläuferpublikation war die Münchner Katholische Kirchenzeitung, die 1940 von den Nazis verboten wurde.
Translation:
>A predecessor publication was the Munich Catholic Church Newspaper, which was forbidden by the Nazis in 1940.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessing_Church
>The Confessing Church (also translated Confessional Church) (German: Bekennende Kirche) was a movement within German Protestantism during Nazi Germany that arose in opposition to government-sponsored efforts to unify all Protestant churches into a single pro-Nazi Protestant Reich Church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Evangelical_Church
>The German Evangelical Church (German: Deutsche Evangelische Kirche), also known in English as the Protestant Reich Church and colloquially as the Reich Church (German: Reichskirche), was a unified state church

Hitler wanted a church with Germanic race and Pagan teachings, to reverse the Christian church back to Pagan building.

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>>126825097
not sure where you are getting your sources lol

>>126824123
Agreed, just do not tell your ideas to scientists (as correct as I believe you are) as you will be shouted down as a racist. Varg is a genuine Nordicist, it is a pseudoscience with little basis in reality (especially the dark hair claims). I am but an eternal anglo/northwest/eastern Euro mutt with light brown hair, so as a non-white nothing I say should be taken seriously...

>>126824730
>the whole christian/pagan dichotomy is fallacious from an identitarian perspective and is fueled by absurd fundamentalism on both sides.

This much is certainly true.

>>126799012
Varg is a degenerate on welfare. I don't know enough about E-celeb in the blue corner but based on that alone I'd never listen to Varg about things that matter.

>>126824329
I'm approximately 49% but I can't trust the calculators for accuracy.

>>126824629
To suggest that Indo-European religions are native to Europe is false. They were forced on the populace from invaders. That's my point. They are not native to Europe. They existed long before they ever stepped foot in Italy, Spain, England.

They were not in Europe for 40,000 years like the person I originally replied to implied. They were only in Europe for a few thousand years. This is a fact.

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>>126825301
>light brown hair
>brown

>>126825570
again, they also came with an important change in population, as it can be seen by even a simple PCA
what earlier Europeans worshipped matters little when those Europeans basically don't exist anymore as a race

>>126825628
B-but my kids are blonde! Please spare me.

>>126825432
>Varg is a degenerate on we
source

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>>126815093
WIR

>>126821135
Kek

>>126825734
You are genetically much closer to them than you are Indo-Europeans. Your "one drop rule" for aryanism is the biggest "We Wuz" I've ever seen.

>>126825271
Nothing bookmarked so I'm searching it all out again, but that looks like a misattribution of Yamnaya to WHG and vice versa.

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You're not European unless you're a 100% pure Bavarian phenotype:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67AodOb1e4

Golden One found dead from being stabbed with a lamp when?

>>126824930
christianity is ultimately derived from near eastern paganism. i don't think that can be disputed. biblical exegesis and textual analysis is pretty clear on the scholarly front.

and you've said yourself that some of the earliest europeans were from the near east. is it such a stretch that they shared a yet more ancient common pagan ancestor with, say, sumerians?

christianity didn't arise out of the aether and its pagan roots seem to originate in a place from whence a significant portion of european ancestry ultimately came.

>>126825570
We weren't even a definable race until about mid-bronze age imo.

I'm not trying to refute your points or the Italian bros on this issue. I'm just saying that it took a few thousand years of struggle, war and intermarrying until we had a sense of identity or these pre-Christian Europpor religions started to take shape.

>>126815093
Nordicist aruments are absurd mostly because of the labeling. You could have simply argued that most meds are semite/Ottoman mutts who in no way reflect the original inhabitants of those regions they inhabit, which is entirely factual. But you had to go all retard with that we wuz vikangz absurd bullshit.

>>126825734
>>126826045
>>126826415
>>126826080
Bumping for good thread, going to post my eurogenes/dodecad for shits and giggles.

>>126826415
>r/atheism

>>126826045
your strawmen perhaps are the biggest I've ever seen, I've never claimed any "one drop rule", especially when it literally isn't one drop, as you can see by >>126825271
secondly, I also pointed out that Indo-Euro religions in Europe, aka European paganism, are themselves an amalgamation of newer deities coming from those invaders, but also the old ones from the natives, so they are themselves "mixed", so to speak
this mix, in blood and spirit, is what's "native"

>>126826415
>and you've said yourself that some of the earliest europeans were from the near east
they had a some vague link with neolithic levantines(I'm going by Lazaridis "The genetic structure of the world's first farmers" here), that's what I was suggesting, but then again the levant seemingly got invaded by an iranian farmer population vastly diverged from the northwestern anatolians who invaded Europe, so it's more likely levantine paganism is linked more to those neolithic iranians, if anything(it's the reason why on a simple PCA Sardinians plot very west while middle easterners, even Bedouins, plot more to the east, so to speak)
we are talking about very old events anyway, way before the formation of any semitic religions

>>126816842
You got facts to back up those claims hue nigger or is it just more Varg bullshit you are regurgitating.

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>>126827229
There is nothing to back up Nordicism besides misinformation and lies. It's no different than Afrocentrism.

>>126826080
maybe you are confusing Yamnaya with ANE(ancient north Eurasians)?
ANE by itself is not that high indeed, although IIRC it does reach about 15-20% in north Euros

>>126799012
I might agree more with Golden One, but Varg is the superior meme-man

I have dark red hair, grey-blue eyes and pale skin
Am I not European according to Varg ?

>>126827068
What? It doesn't weaken the claims of Christianity anon, read some Cardinal Newman

>>126827621
apparently you're a nigger

Sorry bud

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>>126825244

Those thinking Nazism, or Nationalism in general should be combined with Christianity are misguided.

The Nazis were "officially" Christian, yes, but that's just the exoteric nazism and part of the propaganda image.

>>126825271
>>126826837
Okay, I've ended up reading a study which fit my prior understanding but makes no mention of the Yamnaya. It seems to infer a different set of 3 ancient populations, two of which to varying degrees would have been the ancestors of both upper palaeolithic Europeans and Yamnaya alike (implying that there was little genetic difference between the two groups?)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4170574/
"We infer that EEF ancestry in Europe today ranges from ~30% in the Baltic region to ~90% in the Mediterranean, consistent with patterns of identity-by-descent (IBD) sharing27,28 (SI18) and shared haplotype analysis (chromosome painting)29 (SI19) in which Loschbour shares more segments with northern Europeans and Stuttgart with southern Europeans. Southern Europeans inherited their European hunter-gatherer ancestry mostly via EEF ancestors (Extended Data Fig. 6), while Northern Europeans acquired up to 50% of WHG ancestry above and beyond the WHG-related ancestry which they received through their EEF ancestors. Europeans have a larger proportion of WHG than ANE ancestry in general. By contrast, in the Near East there is no detectable WHG ancestry, but up to ~29% ANE in the Caucasus (SI14). A striking feature of these findings is that ANE ancestry is inferred to be present in nearly all Europeans today (with a maximum of ~20%), but was absent in both farmers and hunter-gatherers from central/western Europe during the Neolithic transition."

The EEF component isn't disputed here, of course. The confusion is to which groups we are ascribing the ANE and WHG components, and whether either of us are right to ascribe one or the other to the Yamnaya.

All I know is my EEF component is about 38%, and the other 2 components are 43% and 19% and I can't for the life of me read through the DNA testing company's ascribed names and figure out which is WHG and which is ANE

>>126827508

>>126827621
if you had autism then you'd be a pure neanderthal KANG, according to varg. a superior identity to mere "european."

For any of you bros who haven't seen this show, check this out. Rome was the most fascinating ancient culture in my opinion. Just posting for some perspective into the religious debate ITT. Look at how it's a total blend of the traditional religious elements with the state, the sacrificial nature of the society, the aesthetics and symbolism in everything. These were common themes in all ancient European cultures and in some regards unique to Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNEMiubNtFM

>>126827976
>Those thinking Nazism, or Nationalism in general should be combined with Christianity are misguided.
This. Fucking /r/christian cancer ruined this board

>>126828034
(Although I should note, the DNA testing company ascribes the 43% to Palaeolithic Europeans, and the 19% to a later incursion, which makes no sense in regards to the history of ANE and WHG populations)

>>126799366
>>126799012
varg is right.

the golden one is a douche rarely right.

>>126800992
no you cant be nordic without blue yes.
thats literally how it works.

>>126801343
whites come from neaderthals not cromagnon you fool.

>>126815388
yeah lars did .
mads is surely the better actor though.
also sieg heil.

>>126816539
the golden one lifts with terrible form.
however it is true that he is stronger than varg, there can be noa rgument here.

>>126817171
burger i got some bad news for you here: you are a fucking retarded cunt.
actually read what he s saying.
actually understand what varg means by european paganism.

they would agree completely with each other.

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>>126828324
Here is a Eurogenes Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer if it helps explain anything.

>>126828324
>>126827508
It honestly seems as though the DNA testing company has ascribed ANE DNA to the Yamnaya.

>>126828517
Not really helpful. Besides, I can generate my own with my own gedmatch lol.

>>126802913
>actually believing varg's bullshit self defense story
Top wew

>>126828034
of course if you use ANE(M'alta Boy) as a source, then lots of Yamnaya ancestry is going to be clustered as WHG(and perhaps some with EEF due to caucasian forager input in yamnaya), but since we are talking about Yamnaya themselves and their input, using Yamnaya is obviously the best

the study's purpose is to model Europeans as mix of divergent groups if you will, while Yamnaya is better seen as a mixed population themselves
different purposes and thus different models

if you want something based on more recent data, although amateur, you can look up Eurogenes K7.

>>126820072
varg is autist and unstable no doubt.

however the other guy was way worse.

as you said, if he wasnt unstable or autistic he would have called the police or he would have just ignored the guy.
he also wouldnt have made burzum or anything else intersting for that matter.

instead he did what he did.
what he did was stupid and he probably deserved some jail but he is saying the truth when he says that it was self defense.

Romans wuz raced mixed shitskins but look at this one roman confirming we wuz blue eyed/blonde haired mustard race.
t. Varg

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>>126828423
>whites come from neaderthals not cromagnon you fool.
most whites I've seen have a strong chin, unlike your beloved neanderthals

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>>126828657
Didn't think so, bumping for interest at this point.

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>>126819296
>European nintendo music.
heh

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>>126829119

>>126827976
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_paganism
>Germanic paganism refers to the theology and religious practices of the Germanic peoples from the Iron Age until their Christianization during the Medieval period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Germanic_Reich#Pan-Germanism_versus_Pan-Germanicism
>Hitler himself and Himmler's SS advocated for a pan-Germanic Empire, the objective was not universally held in the Nazi regime.

Pan-German and Pan-Germanic isn't the same thing and Pan-Germanic isn't always Pan-Germanic race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Germanism
>Under Prussian leadership Otto von Bismarck would ride on the coat-tails of nationalism to unite all of the northern German lands. After Bismarck excluded Austria and the Austrian Germans from Germany in the German war of 1866 and (following a few other events over the next few years), the unification of Germany, established the Prussian-dominated German Empire ("Second Reich") in 1871 with the proclamation of Wilhelm I as head of a union of German-speaking states, while disregarding millions of its non-German subjects who desired self-determination from German rule. After World War I the Pan-Germanist philosophy changed drastically during the ascendancy of Adolf Hitler. Pan-Germanists originally sought to unify all the German-speaking populations of Europe in a single nation-state known as Großdeutschland (Greater Germany), where "German-speaking" was sometimes taken as synonymous with Germanic-speaking, to the inclusion of the Frisian- and Dutch-speaking populations of the Low Countries, and the Scandinavias.

Hitler wasn't monarchy. Hitler was anti-monarchy, anti-other-races/languages, anti-international financial contracts in Germany, monarchy wasn't.

>>126828832
>>126829150
I just ran that gedmatch admix tool too, and it's only confused me more.
Where's the Yamnaya in that? Instead it seems to have just inflated the WHG at the expense of the farmer component (due to using ENF instead of EEF?)

>>126829360
I found the only way to get it from browser is WeGenes (kek).

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>>126799012

They are both retards

>>126829360
When you run Oracle 4 what do the distances look like? I hear it is way more precise for native Europeans.

>>126829701
No oracle for Eurogenes_ANE K7, recommend a different one that does have oracle?

Also do you recommend importing raw data to WeGene? Is it free or a paid for service?

>>126829560
Why are you shitting on Alex's ironic hero worship meme?

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>>126799012
>meanwhile we have Varg who insists the orginal European population was 100% blond/blue eyed

He's right and the evidence is there if you open a book and read some words every now and then. All original Europeans looked like Nordic gods until mudbloods ruined everything. Pic related--it's how the Romans actually looked.

>>126829975
I just mean for usual Dodecad/Eurogenes. WeGenes is fun (although they went ridiculously heavy on "French" for some reason), the haplogroup is more succinct plus free medical info. It is completely free, I recommend.

>>126830140

>ironic

Jesus are retards in here really saying manual labor is better for strength than weight lifting?

This is beyond delusional. Manual labor might make you stronger but it wears out your back and joints. Proper weight lifting with correct form abd supplementation will result in greater muscle development and strength. It isnt even comparable.

Varg also looks skinnyfat while the golden one looks built. It wouldnt be a contest

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>>126830062
ran oracle 4 for Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15

Closest populations for:

1 Population
North_German @ 3.907100

2 Populations
50% North_German +50% Southwest_English @ 3.497058

3 Populations
50% North_German +25% North_German +25% Southwest_English @ 3.224549

4 Populations
North_German + North_German + North_German + Southwest_English @ 3.224549

How the hell did you get zeros, and in which tool?

I'm fairly mixed Northern Euro (condensed family tree shows all admixture)

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These threads are always good for a laugh. Statues don't lie people.

>>126830565
kek, Alex is having fun anon. Did you see any of his music vids? He's just an eccentric Swedish fella desu.

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>>126799366
/thread

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>>126815093

WE

>>126828783
Even Euronymous' friends said he was a psycho and they were relieved for their own sakes that he was dead. Whether you believe Varg or not, Euronymous was probably a nutcase. Either way he served his time.

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>>126830643
I'm in K7b, heres my k12.

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>>126830722
I've seen people colourize statues with tanned skin, dark eyes and hair, as well as with pale skin, blue eyes and fair hair.
In either case, on what basis?

>>126830845
Have another varg gif

>>126799366
yeah he literally killed a guy to his paranoid schizophrenia

>muh he was trying to kill me

classic paranoid schizo
now he spends his tiime selling shityy card games and making videos about how society is out to get him.

>>126799012
Usually they're insightful or at least mildly interesting, this time they're both fucking retarded on their videos and presentations

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>>126830994
Dodecad v3

>>126799366
>Varg
>Right about anything
pick one

>leaf

figures

>>126831822
I was busy fucking around with the ancient admix tools. puntDNAL has K10 and K12 Ancient admix tools with the oracles giving distances not to modern populations, but to the ancient samples.

>>126831089
It's not the skin. It's the phenotype. That's a classic greco-roman face shape. Not the long face of a nord.

>>126800814
Dinaric master race stikes again with the best post

>>126830979
I like how in most of these Hollywood depictions of Caesar, the recent ones always use Irishmen. Clooney, Hinds, etc... It's almost like, Moor rape babies can't pass for Roman or something.

>>126832086
Yeah no shit his facial features are greco-roman, but there are broader faced (cro-magnid, dalo-falid etc) northern europeans too,

>>126827147
i think you're underselling the near eastern migrations. as i understand it, they were plural and not restricted to levantines. and it wasn't so long ago, well within the timeframe of the near eastern paganism we know to have influenced the bible to have existed in the places from whence these migrations originated.

i mean if you think about what we know about sumerian beliefs (that influenced the bible) and you think about how long that took to coalesce into a state religion, you're looking at pagan populations in the area of migration origin well before the late neolithic (and obviously beyond it as well).

it seems completely reasonable to me to propose that very ancient european belief and ancient near eastern belief have shared ancestry.

>>126800814
>The same way Byzantine Empire fell, while they were arguing trivialities, finding a retreat to live `like in good ol` days`, barbarians stormed unprepared city.

>Quality post
>On /pol/

What is this, 2014?

>>126831978
Awesome, just ran k10 and it seems pretty in line with family history (as far as local pops.).

WHG 46.14
CHG 26.25
ENF 23.34
Siberian 1.93
Oceanian 1.34
Amerindian 1.02

Irish 3.47
German_North 3.74
English_South 3.79
Hungarian 4.02

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>>126831978
K12 is really fascinating, can you help me sort it out?

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*stabs you 23 times in "self defense"*

>>126815093
how many Northern Europeans you know with really curly hair?
The truth is that Turks are just converted anatolians (Greeks)
The original invaders were Asian looking people

>>126832961
Aha, I wish, I thought it was interesting but I haven't a clue where to start either.
It would probably take googling each one to find out where each sample was taken from and when they were dated to, as well as their hypothesized populations and cultures.

>>126833185
I have a long night ahead, thanks for the heads up on the puntdnal.

>>126833041
Curly hair is pretty damn common in the British Isles.
My hair is dark and grows in ringlets. Funnily enough I'm one of the only people I know with dark curly hair (but I also have non-british ancestry).
The purely british people i've seen with curly hair have tended to be blonde and ginger, even.

>>126833041
What's funny is that Turks genocided Armenians, but they are genetically closest to Armenians. Religious people always genocide themselves, in Christianity or Islam.

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>>126799012
>A larping, horse/pig faced brainlet who cannot seem to stop exposing his practically nude body infront of his (entirely) male audience.

VS

>Middle aged maniac obsessed with Christianity and victim complex. Furiously advocating the deliberate destruction of European heritage claiming it is actually non-European.

Both are delusional and are not fit to father anyone, not even themselves. Although that obviously did not stop one of them to impregnate a literal autist and teaching his "savior chilluns" to be a proud larper just like their hypocrite dada.

>>126834354
>Christianity
>European
Yeah, it's not as if the Jewish minority population of the Roman Empire proselytized an offshoot of their own faith.
And when the Romans and their successors took up that religion, it's not as if they went around vandalizing pagan statues and temples and mass murdering non-Christian Europeans for refusing to convert.

>>126799012
>has to mention several times that he's a humble guy
that's not very humble

Golden one. varg is a retard

What is the obsession with vikings all they did is fuck over innocent farmers

>>126834808
Europeans have been murdering each other for as far as history is recorded. Snow niggers enslaved and sold fellow europeans to the same mudslime horde that christian nations fought against. So much for muh paganism.

>>126833185
goldenone seems more reasonable to me

>>126835242
>farmers
>innocent
all farmers did was fuck over the hunter gatherers.

>>126835348
that doesn't make christianity European though.

>>126835242
at least they'd be impaling arab invaders

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>>126814646
Shut up and gib Patreon monies

They're both fucking embarrassments

Still want them to duke it out though.

>>126835490
Modern day paganism is a complete joke, its just used as an excuse today to larp or to do shrooms and have gay orgies. Orthodoxy has more pagan influence and tradition than modern day paganism, stuff like most of their saints were pagan gods with different names pre christianization.

>>126836208
Yeah I knew all of that, you didn't have to tell me.
What was the NatSoc's "positive christianity" but an attempt to extract all of the European traditions from christianity and do away with its semitic referents.

>>126834808
>17 posts by this ID

Jesus, odds are you are not particularly "Nordic (tm)"" yourself so what is your business defending Varg?

Besides, seeing as Christianity has been a part of Europe and no doubt has undergone changes under European rule, how is it not considered European?

Surely you are not so foolish as to believe Asatro was the first religion of nordic Europe? Who knows how far back we would have to go to uncover the "true" religion of muh ancestors.

Finally, all of my relevant ancestors have been Christian or at the very least the ones I could possibly relate to. Am I to consider these traitors? Way to honor my blood, eh Varg?

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>>126835861
wtf i hate harry potter and dragon ball Z now

>>126836522
If you actually read my posts you'd realise I wasn't defending Varg and acknowledged he often talks bs.

>>126836522
>Besides, seeing as Christianity has been a part of Europe and no doubt has undergone changes under European rule, how is it not considered European?
Islam's been in Europe since the 8th century, is it European also?

>>126833185
If you're still here:
Battle Axe = Corded Ware
Unetice EBA = Unetice Culture
Nordic = (best guess) Funnel-beaker Culture
Anything German = (most likely) LBK Culture

That's all I have for now.

>>126836899
good work.

>>126835894
Oh my god.

The goddesses together.

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>>126828310
>>126827976

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>>126799012
varg is a fucking retard.

>>126836884
Islamic and Christian faiths are incompatible and seeing as Europe as a whole is and has been Christian, Islam is not European to the same extent.

This is a weak argument in this context anyway. This entire debate surrounding "European" religions is aimed exclusively at Abrahamic ones, but what of Asian? Do they get a pass?

Not to touch on what fucking pagan religion is truest (tm).

Varg is essentially using marxist idelogy when praising paganism claiming we'd all get along and hold hands.

>>126837642
THICCCCQQ

>>126837528
yesss

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Less talking more raiding!

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>>126799366
WE WUZ CHINESE

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>>126803754
This

The Golden One anytday over an intellectually mediocre, ex-con, welfare queen

>>126799012
Varg is fucking stupid. Stop posting him. Just follow Peterson.

>>126812733
Varg was named Kristian Vikernes until 1992-1993. So you are BSing

>>126839735
No way.

That's hilarious, always did think his first name seemed too LARpy. So I guess the theory of him being stuck in teenage rebellion is true.

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>>126839558
Thanks, that's the most disgusting thing I've seen all year, gore included.

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>>126824930
>aside from Britain of course with the Angles-Saxons
mmmm

>>126840305
This is pretty much true of all metal heads.

>>126839558
Is that what a pure Australian looks like?

>>126826835
>which is entirely factual
Oh boy, here we go again with this fucking rapebaby meme. I have never seen a genetic studi that says greeks have semitic blood.

>>126842101
I'd have to agree with you, especially on the semitic front, that genetic affinity between the meds and mid easterners does not reflect "semitic rape babies" in the mediterranean, but rather an ancient affinity with both to early neolithic farmers, as well as potential rape babies of the slaves of barbary pirates who took sex slaves back to their own countries, not to mention alleged visigothic and crusader admixture in the middle east.
as for the turks and ottomans, they're not really semitic and i couldn't call it.
genetic affinity again probably pre-dates the ancient historical divisions between greek and anatolian cultures.

>>126842101
It's just banter m8. European paternal lineages are still bigly the majority in med countries.

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>>126799012

Both idiots. You should stop watching porn, though (and giving your money to non-whites)

>>126842101
I find Evola's racial hypotheses more interesting than Vikernes' (or anyone who claims the meds were nordic in a blanket statement).

Evola would likely agree for example, that the ancient Pelasgians in Greece were darker and more swarthy, and that there is indeed a direct line of descent from them to modern Greeks.
However, he argued specifically that the ruling elite of Hellenic Greece, the progenitors of the Achaeans, Aeolians, Dorians and Ionians, were of hyperborean (or just plain northern) ancestry and who had swept down and settled in Greece, subjugating rather than displacing the existing people of Pelasgian origin - much in the same way the Anatolians later found themselves ruled over by a minority Turkic elite.

Thus a lot of the cultural divergence between Greece and Anatolia is down to different minority elites, lording over peoples who were essentially Pelasgian and much the same as one another.

>>126837642

>thread about whether meds and other muslim rapebabies are actually white

>/pol/ starts touching themselves to this broad-nosed half ape again
how did it come to this?

>>126843861
I had never considered this desu.

>>126806281
what's the name of this cute boy

>>126842101
>>126843861
>>126844765
What I cannot seem to find (either from Evola or modern science) is an explanation of how the Mycenaeans fit into this picture.
Did Mycenaean culture essentially erupt out of the pre-existing Pelasgian population of ancient Greece, for example?
From my understanding, the Trojans were Hittite vassals, and the Mycenaeans and Hittites in fact had a fair amount in common, which would seem to imply their culture and social structure did indeed have a common and Pelasgian origin, rather than being a structure enforced by any northern European types (after all, Evola's claims only go as far as the later Hellenes in this respect).
The question is then, if we accept Evola's premise that the ruling Hellenes were hyperborean, what exactly did they bring to the region if the Pelasgians already had a developed bronze age culture? Evola would of course be very dismissive of anyone taking such a materialistic view of history, as opposed to his metaphysical and superhistorical approach which revolves around and insists upon a solar-uranian character unique to societies with hyperborian ruling elites.
(Sorry for all of the Evola dick riding, as if Evola could possibly be a legitimate source of anthropological information, something which he would never claim for himself in the first place).
It's quite a taxing exercise to, once you have grasped the superhistorical and metaphysical elements that Evola has identified throughout history, to bring them back to the material and imagine how history would pan out with purer and more unswerving application of this ethos and indeed, the true spiritual connection it depends upon.
Nevertheless, it's a fun thought experiment.

>>126845495
You'd probably have to read Evola to understand wtf I'm going on about. DON'T START WITH RIDE THE TIGER, if you must read one of his big 3 first, start with Revolt Against the Modern World, although it is recommended you start with other works such as The Mystery of the Grail, and The Hermetic Tradition.

>>126799012
Varg's face is not so trustworthy. I will side with large man with marbles in his mouth

>>126845495
I once heard this Middle Easterner ragepost about how the Mycenaeans were the same group as the historical Hittites. As for a personal theory I have none, but similar cultural patterns certainly do exist between those groups.

Perhaps the Pelasgian influence is overstated? It was after all many different ethnic groups. If you look at prehistorical cultures like the Vinca, you see migratory patterns from all over Europe. Pleanty of room (in terms of genetic origin and diversity) for a swarthy barbarian lot and a Hyperborean rulling order, albeit a small one. You seem to have thought about this a great deal more than me anon. And thank you for the book reccomendation. I've just recently started Men Among the Ruins. Should I stop this and start with Revolt?