Theists actually believe this.

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>>126616376
Atheists also believe in a universe outside the solar system? Not sure what you're getting at. That you don't think there's more outside our solar system?

>>126618124
>cant understand the image
WEW LAD

>>126618124
The scale implies god wouldn't care about us dummy

>>126618332
That's ridiculous, god cares about all of his children. Sorry you can't see that, but I guess it makes sense since you spent your childhood raping goats instead of learning the bible in school.

>>126618540
now i see why you couldn't understand the image

>>126618124
Atheists can't conceive of anything greater then themselves. Sad

>>126618540
He really doesn't get it.

>>126618540
>god cares about all of his children
>christians get raped and murdered every day
>their killers walk free
>hell isn't even in the bible
>god cares about all of his children
Sure thing, buckaroo.

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>>126618124
>the metalsmith cares about each atom in the sword he forged

Literally nigger IQ at play

>>126618540
God obviously wouldnt care. Do you watch out for ants whilst walking in your garden?

>>126618945
Was meant for
>>126618540

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>>126616376
Atheists believe the laws of physics just happened without being defined.

>>126618804
this desu.

>it was in god's plan for you, as a little kid, to get kidnapped by sand-niggers and your head slowly carved off while you're still fully conscious

This world is too fucked for you or anyone to convince me god is real and cares about us.

Someone post the webm I'm talking about

>>126618945
>comparing human metalsmith and a dead object to God and living, breathing being
Jewish tricks at play.

>>126619064
I mean if I step on one I am not going to feel bad but I do go out of my way to avoid them and let them do there own thing.

>>126619216
*beings

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>>126619216
Im comparing the building blocks , life is just a meme

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>observable universe bretty big
>areas where life was actually observed = 1
Wow, it's almost like the bullshit reasons you give for life spouting out from primordial sludge can only exist in 1 place.
How the fuck do you even begin to reconcile that ?

Not a radio radio signal, not a space ship not a light signal. I guess we just happen to be the only primordial ooze that felt like sorting itself out.

>>126618777
wasted trips on some theist with a nigger tier iq. sad.

>>126619157
No they don't, why do you think physicists are working hard trying to find the Unified Theory? So they can connect everything.

>>126618777
This confirms it. Atheists are truly pathetic.

This thread is a perfect example I advocate policies to deport atheists and agnostics in the USA. If we don't clean the gene pool then progress will never be made in this country.

>>126618945
You're equating humans to God here and that is folly. God is not like a human in how He perceives the universe. He accounts for every ant hill and every strand of hair that is left on your head, of course He accounts for everything. He is God!

>>126619064
God is a perfect being. Why compare Gods and humans when even The Bible goes at great lengths to describe how useless and stupid we flawed are in comparison to an almighty that is beyond our ability to comprehend.

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Actually faggot, Abrahamic faiths are just shitty copies of the Persian religion that is Zoroastrianism. Most of the stories from the Torah and Bible are bullshit.

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>>126616376
You care for your children (if you have them) because you made them. God made us so obviously he loves us because we are his children. Doesn't matter how big universe is since he is everywhere. Weak post OP

>>126620174
>perfect being
>created evil while being omnipotent
'how do you like your universe senpai?'
JUST

>>126619338
If you dont believe in god, jew....and life doeant matter and theists are always adked to prove god......then prove you are not immortal. It wouldnt matter to the universe anyway if you fail and die as you see it. Maybe you would be immortal and cant die and you would think you are god then. Try it!

See how chosen you really are.

>>126619064
Yea because we were the creator of ants right? Fucking idiot

>>126616376
This picture is wrong as well. The Bible never implies that all action takes place in that little bubble. We've received a message from a higher authority, that is probably the crudest way to simplify it. If anything The Bible actually implies that there are higher orders of state out there that our flawed little monkey brains will not comprehend.

>>126616376
>Kike
Dropped.

>>126620592
God created things with free will. Creations with free will can commit evil, yes.

>>126620281
>are just shitty copies of the Persian religion that is Zoroastrianism
They are very different. Christians with similar connects to Zoroastrianism are Gnostic and all other Christians hate them. All Religions are connected or similar anyways since they all worship the same God.

>>126620798
The trailer park awaits!
Shoo shoo

>>126620741
It implies that if god was really single and real and not a common hallucination, then everyone around the world would get messaged equally

>>126621718
God did so why do you think there are so many religions all over the world? Its old dumb thinking that one religion is right they are all interconnected and hide all the secrets.

>>126621718
This would imply all humans are equal and worthy. This is simply not the case. Some would receive the message and then casually ignore it while not giving a fuck. God chooses His messengers whom He knows will receive graciously and follow through with action.

>>126622691
see
>>126618945

>>126616376
For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. While these speaks only of material interactions, it also describes a general concept of causality which appears to govern all of existence. Any creator god arguments require causality. Theistic arguments necessitate immaterial reality. Therefore more than just physical causality, there is also immaterial causality. There are metaphysical implications to metaphysical action. A metaphysical being performing a metaphysical action will have a metaphysical effect. In a constructed system of infinite scale, even a minor and seemingly infinitesimal action can have a profound effect. Humans are metaphysical beings. These means all human actions are metaphysical, even when they are also physical. In an ordered universe, your masturbation could have inordinate impact on the entire schema of material and immaterial reality. Because it could have that possibility, you are morally obligated to act as though it does have that effect.

>>126621328
Uhhh no buddy, literally most of your tenants, beliefs and values were copied from Zoroastrianism.

>>126616376
Fuck your infographic, space does not exist as is told to us and the Earth is motherfucking flat. Test it yourself.

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>>126623984
why isn't there a single photograph of your flat earth?

take all the time you need to reply

>>126623399
see >>126619914

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>>126616376

>spherical earth

dropped

>>126624331
where am I comparing the atoms in the sword to the metalsmith?
see >>126618945

>>126618332

Why is it when atheists are arguing with religious people, they always seem to be the ones in the end with the notion that God is literally holding the universe like an orb in his hand with a huge white beard? Your picture was made by a sixteen year old atheist who is mad at God.

Why are you guys equating size with limitless and eternal Being. It is equating God with man, which is foolhardy.

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>>126624695
great arguments all around

>areas where life was actually observed = 1
>planets which surface we studied = 3

1 in 3 huh?

>>126624933
see
>>126618945

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>>126624135
There's tons of them on official NASA websites. They just photoshop them into sphere form and tell us it's a globe.

This shit is easily testable by being able to see landmarks in the distance you are not supposed to see based on the curvature.

Look up Flat Earth Engineer, and Eric Dubay and his 200 flat earth video on YouTube and just try debunking it.

>>126616376
To actually believe all that shit you must be simple, only explanation.

>>126625195
You do realise the flat earth hoax was started as a joke to prove how gullible people are, you're literally at the end of a joke you're unaware of.

>>126625195
Good very good indeed

>>126625016

You showed me pictures trying to equate the size of the universe with the eternal and infinite God. It is silly to do that. Use a different argument next time. Or better yet, tell God why you are mad at him. He loves you, anon.

>>126625195
....flat earth is literally a 4chan hoax.....

If you really believe it, kill yourself. Anybody can book a trip to skydive from space. There are hundreds of videos of people doing it.

>>126625532
You mean the flat earth society? I agree it is a joke and the members love to troll.

But besides that there are numerous sources and experiments you can perform yourself with a telescope and a high powered laser that debunks curvature.

Look up flat earth engineer, and Eric dubay 200 flat earth proofs on YouTube and try debunking it.

>>126625674
>Born in a christian nation
>Born at a time when christianity is dominant in that country
>Low IQ

These are the only three reasons you believe in your God.

>>126626042
No the whole joke was started on the website you're on now. Book a sky dive or go on a plane, it's not hard haha

>>126626042
You claim to be a skeptic but believe shopped videos over your own eyes.

>>126626233
It's not a joke. Go test it. Kek works in mysterious ways.

>MFW op hasten read Descartes or any philosophy

Cogito ergo sum

faggot

>>126626430
I've been in a plane and seen the curvature of the earth with my own eyes

Imagine fooling for a 4chan hoax, you're at the level of twitter liberals

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>>126621030
Depends how you describe evil. There's the problem of moral evil, which can be explained by free will, and the problem of natural evil, which can't. How does an omnipotent, loving god allow his creations to be annihilated by tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc.?

>>126626335
They're not shopped videos dumbtard, listen to and entertain their claims and test it. See for yourself.

I used to scoff and laugh at these people and having been fed up by them decided to debunk them and have fun time doing it.

I couldn't and instead found some monster truck sized holes in the current accepted theory.

>>126625674
>Born in a christian nation
>Low IQ

the only reasons you believe in god

were you born in Saudi Arabia, you were now wearing a hijab..
just the way low IQ people are destined to be

>>126626747
>There is free will in heaven
>There is no evil in heaven

Pick one.

>>126616376
This has nothing to do with 'theism'.

Abrahamic religions =/= theism
Any religion =/= theism

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>>126623715
isaiah, jeremiah and davud etc. wrote about messiah, the resurrection and the final days before zaratustra even lived ~500 bc
oldest copies of avesta are from 13th century anyway, so it was probably zoroastrianism which borrowed from christianity like it borrowed from all religions in that region

>>126623399
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>>126626802

It must be nice knowing you can be disproved with a £40 plane ticket

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>>126616376

>What are the odds of the Earth being the Center of the Universe?

>>126626747
>which can be explained by free will
Free will doesn't exist in humans (and demonstrably so).

But assuming it does, an omnipotent God doesn't have to give humans free will and he doesn't have to not intervene when they (freely) choose evil.

So if God is omnipotent and evil exists, God either is evil or doesn't give a shit about his creation.

>>126620592
>I am omnipotent but I created a causalityless undefinable mechanism that transcends my own omniscience
Haha fucking choice dude, that must be it. Not the fact that a bunch of goat herders made some feel good stories to cope with the loss of their loved ones.

Show me a proof God doesn't exist, go ahead I'm waiting.

>>126624580
You're saying God wouldn't care about the smallest things because humans often don't care about the smallest things. This is wrong.

>>126627406
Universe has no center... and no edge

holy shit they don't understand clouds

>>126627177
As can your claim with a $100 telescope and a calculator.

Plane windows are not straight and are slightly curved due to safety concerns and the bend of the fuselage.

And your prophet Neil Degrasse Tyson says that anyways we are too small to detect curvature anyways. Don't know what you're seeing.

Yeah and that red bull jump video is nice. Shows a giant curve in background. Remember that the earth beneath him is only one state (Nevada, New Mexico I can't remember) If you extrapolate the state would be the size of Canada. When you see the inside camera showing the door opening for him to jump you see a straight line. Also learn about fish eye lens.

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>>126627886
gratz on reaching the bottom of the IQ chain.

>>126626747
Maybe his creations have done evil deeds so he wiped them out with a tornado or a tsunami.

Otherwise, I do not know, I don't speak for God.

>>126628470
>loving
>kills

thats one weirdo God lmao

>>126627985
Says who? Cosmologists can't even figure out what the shape or size is.

Then they invent things like dark energy and dark matter because saying that it's the Aether will destroy their whole house of cards.

And the guy you are responding to is referencing a documentary called "The Principle". Fascinating video, need to do more research to see if it's actually true. Watch at your own peril.

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>>126616376

>Flag
>Notion of the size of space compared to life on earth = logical deterrant of a valid argument pertaining to self worth and literally spouting a nihilistically irrelevant narrative while also arguing that life still has value without god.
>Flag again
>Likelihood of Humanity finding a planet that can support life, 99.9%
>Likelihood of Humanity finding life on that planet. 82.7%
>Likelihood of humanity finding intelligent life either more advanced or equal to Humanity's,
12%

Why 12%? you want to know how fucking fragile intelligent life and the current state of civilization is when pitted against massive cosmological forces that they barely understand and are completely at the mercy of?

do you fucking realize that the likelihood of us actually meeting aliens is extremely unlikely given the fact that while we may be able to mathematically confirm their existence, science is slowing down its approach on space travel simply because there hasn't been a massive breakthrough in the last 30 years, nothing but fucking telescopes and satellites,

>Consistently argue with casual reasoning
>Ignores the beginning of a single beginning with no before even though that's completely logical and not illogical because it doesn't continue the fucking cycle, because that's a logical fallacy implying "therefore, because, will be, after" Causation only implies where it came from and how, it doesn't implicate a repetitive pattern to follow. That's pure assumption.

>Flag yet again
>Bibles been edited several times, how many times exactly, what was changed and where it was changed is unknown.. citing anything from the bible produces little credibility in its own defense wether you're attacking or defending it because people have fucking edited to beging with.

>FLAG

SAGE IN ALL FUCKING FIELDS.

Guys help my dad bought into flat earth help me disprove it.
I have tried everything
>If the earth is flat how can we go from japan to california?
You go the other way the earth is surrounded by ice blocks
>I have stood on mountains and could see a curve if ever so slight
Goes on a tyrade saying various shit about it.

>>126626873

You are pretty pissed at God, anon. Talk to Him about it, not me. So you jumped to the intelligence quotient attack? Cant you be more original or at least amusing? This argument is retarded I am posting somewhere else.

>>126625195
>why is there never any REAL video of the earth spinning
hahahaha
>here you go flat earthers, a 24/7 video feed of earth from space. finally we proved it right? this would be impossible to fake right?
>FUCKING FAKE ASS PHOTOSHOP NICE TRY NASA

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>>126629525
see you around

>>126629712

Tell him to look at the shadow of the moon or something, anon. The flat earth shit is retarded.

>>126626042
my favourite was that one guy who 'proved' the earth wasn't round then proved that the earth wasn't flat but instead of admitting he was wrong he just said 'guys we've been tricked again! the earth isn't flat but it can't be round!!! we need to get the truth out there!'.
>>126625959
everyone who goes skydiving has to sign a non-disclosure agreement to not tell people that the world is actually flat.
>source: went skydiving one time

>>126628611
If God didn't kill evil people, you complain that he doesn't care.

If God does kill evil people, you complain that he is unloving.

lmfao. Ok.

>>126629712
Sorry, he's retarded. Hope you mostly got your mothers genes.

>>126628422
refuted all of theism with your 9gag meme, good job anon.

>>126629712
The best way to do it is pull up Eric Dubay 200 Flat Earth proof, and Flat Earth Engineer (Brian Mullin?) videos and debunk it first. It will give you a solid foundation because it will give you knowledge about Aerie's failure and the Sagnac experiment for example.

Then you can hit up your dad with science you yourself completed and tested.

Bonus calculate earths curvature and show him how things in the distance seem to disappear. Then use a telescope or binoculars to zoom in on said position and hammer home the point.

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>>126628611
>loving
>kills
>just <<<<

>>126616376
Your definition of theism is wrong

>>126631059
He just really does not trust the government.

>>126630741
I'm glad you are starting to see the God's paradox

>>126619157
>Theists believe God just exists without being created.

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>>126619157
wtf I love god now

>>126631463
Not an excuse. At best he's just wholly uneducated and contrarian. At best. Literally just show him satellite images of the earth or something. Save up 200k for personal space travel, something like what this company does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwm3leZu-O0

I'm trying to find good excuses for him but I can't, sorry.

>>126630741
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
>lmfao.
retard detected

>>126626802
>go to well
>have friend go to different well a mile away
>test to see if shadows are the same
>friend says he got a different result
>have to kill friend because globetards paid him to lie to me
>>126629712
if you see a curve it means your eye is a fish eye lens dumbtard. only way is to watch some guy who makes money off of people gullible enough to fall for this shit and disprove all 200 of his videos. pretty much impossible to do so because your dad would just claim space is a projection, there's a dome etc etc.

>>126631878

This argument doesn't prove nor disprove the nerd posters claim, infact both are wrong in this case because the jpg is logically implying that causality is still self defeating without the information required to find out what caused what?

>>126632015
Save 200k for space travel? Where and when can I do this!? Oh you mean Virgin who for the last 15 years have been trying. Sort of like that time Pan Am was going to take us to the moon. I think people waited up to 25 years before giving and given refunds.

Also it's not space just really high altitude.

>>126633448
You're probably right that it's premature, I've only heard of it and grabbed the first company I could find. A future prospect maybe. Maybe they'll give discounts to flat earthers.

>>126618804
Its not the God that kills and kidnapps innocent people.. actually the people (like you) with hate in their hart and thinking that they are going to live forever or that they can take something beside pain and suffering from this sad world (made by mad material ignorant people) like you
You who dont follow simply rules that are written in Holy Bible and teached by Jesus!!!!
Sad people spend their days masturbating and comlaining about stupid shit fuelling up their harts with hate and madness they cant even try to change...to Pray..to help somone who needs and all that they do is watch anime and talk shit on autistic site instead of fueling their harts with love and maybe make someones life better...its Not God fault that weak people prefer to chose materialism lazyness fear envy pseudo intellectuality fedoras jewish money easy ways...but anyway I will pray and hope that some of you will understand me
. and try to change cuz this board is full of good people really wery good and intelligent people
but they are so comsumed by blackness and emptyness that they lost their hope and faith but..never fuck never give up cuz God loves you and if you do the same you will be safe and your life will become better..so dont you worry guys God loves us all and nothing will stop us if we Belive!!

>>126634239
Instead of grabbing the first source that comes to mind that reinforces your world view like a MUH Bible retard, be an actual scientist and look deeply into these things with a skeptical eye.

Go debunk Eric Dubay 200 flat earth proofs on YouTube at the very very least then talk.

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>>126635733
>Its not the God that kills and kidnapps innocent people.. actually the people (like you) with hate
>You who dont follow simply rules that are written in Holy Bible and teached by Jesus!!!!

What about decease, famine, natural disasters, bad luck, natural preditors?

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>>126630741

But he does kill evil people......

>The only question is if the deaths are "indiscriminate" or not.....

>>126620694
If a faith to an imaginary person is the only thing that is restricting you to be immoral, you are a shitty person.

if god isn't real explain this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dANKqxonWsk
atheists eternally btfo

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>>126636330

Oy vey, that's not a menorah; next thing this Jew will have you believe is that s/he thinks "G*D" is reaIly Iesus Christi.

>I suppose that's how it would have to work....

>>126636330
Kike look Our world is ruled by laws but if we pray and do good stuff we will have less shits like that anyway kike we will all die bUt important is making this world a better place!!

>>126637475
So far, religion cause only death and suffering, stupid nigger.

>>126636240
Oh man, didn't actually realize I was talking to a flat-earther. I hate to have to reinforce your sense of "haha they're too scared to address our arguments", but yeah I'm not having this conversation, you're either trolling or not worth my time (offense).

How's this for an idea (just thought of it just now). Look at the spherical earth, then travel from say, Sweden, to the UK, to the US, to Asia, take the train back to Sweden. Go in a straight as line as possible.

Or is it like pacman and it's flat but you respawn after passing a certain line?

>>126616376

You fucking dumbass the Quran mentions the Roman Empire so quit with your bullshit.

>>126638181
>implying the flight companies aren't in on it
you are like little baby

>>126638181
Actually just go to the edge of the earth and film it. Show what the corners look like, do you fall of or what's the excuse given here? Is there a wall? Are we living in the Truman show?

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>>126637738

>>126635733
Thank you! Everyone in this thread is such a fucking retard and knows nothing about how God works.

>>126616376
>believing nothing beyond what we can observe and test exists
>meanwhile, 1000 A.D: "THERE ARE NO OTHER WORLDS, THIS IS ALL THERE IS. BELIEVE THIS OR BE BURNED AT THE STAKE"

>>126638785
just...no...like.......wtf?

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>>126618777
CHECKED

>>126637738
There wouldn't even be civilization without God. Your ancestors understood that but not you, you're literally a degenerate.

>>126639030
Whats your point?
Count all the people who died in holy wars now.
You know what? Count just the people who died in Syria this.year.

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>>126616376
OP, add pic related to your argument folder

>>126616376
>>>>>>JEW

>>126616376
>every single action by god took place within that circle
what about the great flood

>>126638812
>>126638181
>>126636240
Sorry man I don't mean to be a dick, I'm actually intrigued now.

What's the consensus in these circles of why everyone has agreed to lie about it being a sphere? Just a giant troll or what's the motive?

>>126616376
Jesus loves you brother.

>>126639229
i used to be an executive for jet star. trust me all the pilots and high ups know, we just get paid a nice little sum at the end of each month to keep our mouths shut

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>>126639902
it started out as an april fools but when the oligarchs realised that everyone was actually retarded enough to believe that the earth is round they just kept the lie going for the fuck of it

>>126639510
Certainly not Christians fault that Muslim heretics sperged out and attacked us.

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>>126616376

I'm an atheist and no thats probably not what -they- believe, most of them probably likes tradition and for good reason. Don't want their kids growing up being indoctrinated to this post-modernist mumbojumbo


Now clean your room, go into the underworld and save your father

>>126640016
Kek... but Hitler is what you get when people abandon Christ.

>>126641370
>most of them probably likes tradition and for good reason.
In Sweden, yes. You'd be surprised how many people actually believe there's this magic, invisible entity dictating their lives and watching over them.

>>126639591
Would a metalsmith care about the atoms inside the sword he forged?

>>126619725
Yeah so they they can't define the rule set of the system initiated by the creator in the beginning.

>>126641928
ye if there werent any atoms then the sword would fall apart

>>126641877
beats undermining biology and psychology for generations to come and systematically spreading marxist ideology

Atheism and Autism have a strong correlation, that is all you need to know

>>126641877
Yeah God lives in your mind, maybe one day you will see what I mean. In the meantime tip your fedora as much as you can and don't realize you're part of something much larger than yourself.

>>126638181
Nope not a flat earther. I tried to debunk it and found myself agreeing with it and when I started looking deeper into the underlying assumptions of the heliocentric model some of it had circular logic and a lot of it didn't match up observationally.

I don't know what the fuck the Earth is at this point.

Yeah and looking at flight paths on the globe versus a flat plane was an eye opener as well. I especially found the story about the flight from Malaysia to LA who had to make a mid flight emergency landing in Alaska as particularly fascinating. Again it's one of many oddities.

I used to be the MUH NASA MUH satellites MUH Einstein nerds. But actually looking at their work instead of worshipping them like Gods was eye opening.

>>126616376
>bible is stupid
>therefore god doesn't exist

>>126644156
Literally how dumb OP is

>>126642458
Yeah, but we're not playing the choosing game here. They're both shit.

>>126643540
>Hokus pokus
I'll continue tipping my fedora until you provide some actual evidence or good reasons to believe any such being actually exists.

>God lives in your mind
Here we agree. He lives in the same corner of my mind as zeus, krishna, dragons and every other non-existent creature.

>>126642696
So does autism and intelligence.

>>126639902
I don't know. But it makes sense if they want us to be mindless slaves and not question our own being.

It's a long subject, but what better way to control a prisoner by making them think they're free.

>>126616376
>Believes Christians are strawman fundamentalists who don't understand transcendence.

>>126643986
Alright, can you just give me the BEST piece of evidence in favor of a flat earth? I'll look into that.

>>126644563
You would be a tree climbing ape without the transcendent idea of god, I hope you will understand that one day.

>>126644597
>I don't know. But it makes sense if they want us to be mindless slaves and not question our own being.
Sorry makes no sense to me, holding one false belief you believe to be true doesn't really change your thinking in any significant way, it'd have the same psychological impact as holding a true belief for true.

>>126616376
I suppose israel isnt justified to exist then? Isnt the whole push behind that to do with the fact that you're "gods chosen people" that "own that land"? So what you're saying is you're modern day colonialists?

>>126642253
Lmao I need to learn basic physics first

>>126645012
>You would be a tree climbing ape without the transcendent idea of god, I hope you will understand that one day.
I haven't climbed trees for a long time, but reality wouldn't change just because I chose to believe something else. An ape believing he's an ape is just as much an ape as an ape believing he isn't one.

>>126625016
>a jew that hates jesus

well there's a surprise

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>>126645939

/thread

>>126645612
How did you conclude hate from that image?

Typical lowbrow IQ all theists share.

>>126645275
If you believe ideas are real, then you believe god is real. A society without transcendent ideals cannot exist. For example justice, love and peace are all transcendent ideals. Without god everything becomes suspended in mid air, because any idea is just as good as another.

>decease

>>126644777
Nice trips.

It wasn't the one thing that got me. As I said I wanted a good laugh and tried to debunk the Eric dubay 200 flat earth proof and Brian mullin flat earth engineer vids and found myself agreeing. I then started looking into how our scientists derived the distances to the other planets and sun, planetary masses, derivation of G, gravity as a possible pseudo force (still confused on that one) and I found that a lot of it was circular logic or not based on observation.

The Kepler and Tycho Brahae story raises some red flags too.

For me personally, I bought a telescope and calculated earths curve (verified online on math homework forums and meta bunk) and decided to pick landmarks at sea level and see how much of them I could see and whether the math and observation matched. It didn't.

Also the way water behaves as we see it and the way oceans and rivers behave don't fit with a spinning ball.

Just a lot of stuff started to accumalate and I find myself in this rabbit hole.

>>126646310
Yeah ok m8 you will make and sustain a thread doing nothing but deriding and simplifying or outright ignoring arguments given to you while pushing memes straight out of a militant athiest 16 year olds paint folder but you have no problem with jesus really you just hate all religion and how stupid humanity is right! so answer me this:
>>126645155
>I suppose israel isnt justified to exist then? Isnt the whole push behind that to do with the fact that you're "gods chosen people" that "own that land"? So what you're saying is you're modern day colonialists?

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>>126646704
>If you believe ideas are real, then you believe god is real.
How does this logically follow?

>A society without transcendent ideals cannot exist.
Clarify what you mean by transcendent because given the following definition

beyond or above the range of normal or physical human experience.

>For example justice, love and peace are all transcendent ideals.
these certainly aren't transcendental.

>Without god everything becomes suspended in mid air, because any idea is just as good as another.
Not really, the idea that people have a right to water is an idea generally accepted as better than the idea that everyone has a right to own an RPG

>but it's arbitrary because there's no God ranking the value of ideas
This may not have been you response, but I'd expect something along these lines. I have some problems with this, for one, it'd still be arbitrary in the sense that it's in the hand of whoever writes the book that God supposedly brought to us, making it even more arbitrary in the sense that the ideals of these few authors is pitted against the ideals of millions of contemporary humans who will be affected by it. I don't even need to see the need for a God here desu, as long as the majority of people aren't massive imbeciles. I'd rather anchor it to human well-being over anything.

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>>126618124
>I can't into image

>>126647175
>For me personally, I bought a telescope and calculated earths curve (verified online on math homework forums and meta bunk) and decided to pick landmarks at sea level and see how much of them I could see and whether the math and observation matched. It didn't.
Sorry, I'm too lazy to reproduce this, hope you understand.

>Also the way water behaves as we see it and the way oceans and rivers behave don't fit with a spinning ball.
Makes sense to me, it's such a huge area and it's spinning sufficiently slowly for it not to be very noticeable. I'm pretty sure gravity explains this phenomenon too.

>>126647408
1. Correct, I hate all religions. (Buddhism and daoism are fine)
2. Incorrect, Israel was established based on history of the people, not religion.

>>126616376
that felt good

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>>126648217
Saved!

>>126649042
1.so you hate all religions, but dont hate jesus? What makes jesus ok, is his morality ok, is his influence ok, what is it that would make you hate christianity, yet not christ? Is it because you are just lying through your teeth like a typical rat?
2.The history of the people is that it was traditionally palestinian and worked with christians, jews and muslims living together, but zionism shoehorned the idea that coupled with the great travesty that was "the holocaust", jews deserved their own land, the land historically given to them by god, the same god that was at the foundation of the country that gave it to you, britain

>>126628280
You can feel the curvature of the earth at the flattest spots around.

At Bonneville Saltflats, the horizon is visibly curving "downhill"

>>126648767
Gravity is a lazy answer because you start digging into the derivation of the theory from Newton onwards it only sometimes makes sense mathematically as a seperate force. Also currently looking into multiple body problem and mathematically can't make sense.

Also another one that the earth is 5 million km closer to sun when it is winter in north hemisphere. And not only that remember we are on an elliptical and the earth races around the sun at 100k km/hr. The shear forces of the earth changing direction on an elliptic should tear us apart.

>>126650536
This is way outside my area of expertise, thanks for the answers though. Has there been any debate(s) between someone like the 200 proofs guy and an astrologer or anyone else knowledgeable in this field? I'd watch a couple if they exist, seeing both sides present their strongest argument and counter-arguments.

>>126649697
I dont hate fictional characters.

Off you go cunt, talking you makes me dumber

>>126652658
Unfortunately no. The science side only scoffs at people questioning roundness of Earth.

Astronomer not astrologer.

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>>126616376
"The biggest problem for evolutionists is the origin of life from non-life. Even the simplest single-celled organism is unthinkably complex, with scores of highly-sophisticated parts, all performing important functions and all mutually interdependent. The laws of statistics have convinced all who have bothered to calculate that even a protein molecule, consisting as it does of a chain of hundreds of precisely arranged amino acids, could never arise by chance. And such a protein molecule is trivial compared to any of the working parts of a cell. When it is recognized that all of these parts must be present and functioning at the start, it must be admitted that life from non-life is impossible without intelligent design. Actually, any living thing gives such strong evidence for design by an intelligent designer that only a willful ignoring of the data (II Peter 3:5) could lead one to assign such intricacy to chance. Every living thing, from simple bacteria to people, possesses the marvelous DNA code, which contains a library full of precise information, and without which life is impossible.

Another huge problem for evolutionists lies in the nature of the fossil record, i.e., the only physical record we have of life in the past. As is now being admitted by my evolutionary colleagues, the fossil record gives no clue that any basic type of animal has ever changed into another basic type of animal, for no in-between forms have ever been discovered. Each basic type is distinct in the modern world and in the fossil record, although there is much variation within these basic types. While gradual, "Darwinian" evolution has always predicted that in-between forms would one day be found, the current rage in evolutionary circles is the concept of rapid evolution, or "punctuated equilibrium"—proposing that small isolated portions of a larger population evolved rapidly and left no fossils. But where is the evidence that they evolved at all?"

[Part 1]

>>126653267
"Even though the gaps in the fossil record are found between each basic animal type, there are two huge gaps, which should be emphasized. The evolutionary distance between single celled organisms and the vast array of multicellular, highly complex marine invertebrates precludes even rapid evolution. In the supposedly 600-million-year-old layers of rock designated as Cambrian (the first appearance of multicelled life), sponges, clams, trilobites, sea urchins, starfish, etc., etc., are found with no evolutionary ancestors. Evolutionists don't even have any possible ancestors to propose. And then the gap from marine invertebrates to the vertebrate fish is likewise immense. To make matters worse for the evolutionists, fish fossils are also found in Cambrian strata. If evolution is true, fish must have evolved from something, and invertebrates must also have evolved from something. Evolution has no ancestor to propose, but the evidence exactly fits the creation model, for creation insists that each animal type was created fully formed, with no evolutionary transition.

The evidence for creation is so strong; it is illogical to believe anything else. Only a religious commitment to atheism, or a desire for the approval of those atheists, who call themselves scholars, could lead one down this path. The Bible says that those who deny creation are "without excuse" (Romans 1:20)."

>http://www.icr.org/article/1066

>>126616376
Not necessarily it's completely possible that God revealed himself to people all over the world
I.e. The wise men from the Far East
And also life in the entire universe

>>126635733
>>126639054


Sometimes i don't know if im being trolled

>>126652975
What a shame, I guess (for me anyway, I have a feeling most scientists rightfully scoff at it but that's neither here nor there as I can't argue the science for it)
>Astronomer not astrologer.
I knew I'd get that wrong, even erased the correct one and changed it to the wrong one. Fucking starsign voodoo bastards messing with my head.

What's your take on livestreams such as this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddFvjfvPnqk

>>126652759
But you know he's real
And you are in rebellion

>>126616376
Sure put a lot of time into demonstrating that you don't understand what symbolism is.

>>126652759
You are actually incapable of carrying a coherent argument or conversation and just opt for people losing interest so that you can go for low hanging fruit, go figure.

>>126619386
I don't think you realize the scale of even our galaxy. It takes 50,000 years to get even halfway across the galaxy at light speed, and human society has existed for less than that.

>>126649042
1. Gayest thing i ever heard
2. Without God there wouldn't even be a Jewish people.

>>126654537
>Without God there wouldn't even be a Jewish people.

literally what u nigger see OP

>>126631465
It actually describes how so many people like you are utterly foolish.

>>126650536
Did you actually do the math on the shear forces or are you just talking out of your ass?

Here's how every argument on this topic goes:

>God exists and he is all powerful and he is good.

>Okay, then how does evil exist?

>B..BECAUSE FREE WILL DUH

>What about evils not chosen by man like trisomy, cancer, or brain defects?

>JEEZ YOU ATHEISTS ARE NEGATIVE, WHY CAN'T YOU FOCUS ON THE GOOD THINGS? YOU MUST REALLY HATE GOD WOW I PITY YOU HURRRRRR

>>126632165
You are stupid.

>>126631465
God kills sinners all the time. Drug overdoses, gang wars, AIDS etc. etc.

>>126616376


>"When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?" Psalm 8

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>>126654938
again, you are not making any arguments/
your only argument is "HURR DURR U R DUMB"

wow really?

>>126631619
You fucking idiot, should learn something about philosophy. The definition of God has also the adjective "uncreated" or "eternal", so no lack of logic here.

>>126655275
>>What about evils not chosen by man like trisomy, cancer, or brain defects?
In the Bible, God will punish parents through their children too. You don't have to agree with it, but it's there.

>>126655275
>arguing with fundies
Even the Greeks understood that Christianity is allegory. Fundie thinking is more primitive than what people thought 2000 years ago.

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>>126655613
OP is stupid beyond repair.

>>126631878
argument destroyed so many times. By Edward Feser, for example.

>>126655650
Maybe pol is right, Jews are terrible and obnoxious

>>126616376

If god dislikes foreskins so much, why did he make them when he created man?

Did god make a....mistake?!? Not so infallible huh.

>>126616376
>the universe is huge
>therefore god doesn't exist

that's a non-sequitur, or as they say, "not an argument"

>>126655642
>>126631878

>>126653875
No problem.

I love how a Canadian and a Swede are having friendly conversation on 4Chan while the retards around us debate their fundamentalist religious and atheist beliefs (2 sides of the same shit covered coin eh?)

I can't trust it anymore. I used to be a huge NASA fag but what they show doesn't match what I test and see. Also can be easily CGI'd.

Also during the day should be able to see some twinkling of the thousands of planes flying in the sky at any moment. Nope. Can't see satellites. Nothing. It's just strange.

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>>126655980
thx family

>>126655650
There's nothing to argue here, you are just making strawmans or false representations of theists' claims to make them look ridicolous, cringry, ugly and fat. Wouldn't be considered an argument or something to debate for anywhere.

>>126619157
Believfags believe god just happened without being defined.

Thats not how you solve that problem.

>>126653875
>>126653875
No problem.

I love how a Canadian and a Swede are having friendly conversation on 4Chan while the retards around us debate their fundamentalist religious and atheist beliefs (2 sides of the same shit covered coin eh?)

I can't trust it anymore. I used to be a huge NASA fag but what they show doesn't match what I test and see. Also can be easily CGI'd.

Also during the day should be able to see some twinkling of the thousands of planes flying in the sky at any moment. Nope. Can't see satellites. Nothing. It's just strange.

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>>126616376
map isn't true. so no.

aslo you think we came from fish naturally

>>126656123
>Two faggiest countries on the Earth sucking each other off over pseudoscience.
Wow, literally no surprises.

>>126655650
You complain about things you don't understand. You have an invalid argument to begin with.

"Why does God kill people in tornados?"

"Why doesn't God kill the evil people?"

Idk, maybe put two and two together, you supposedly intelligent atheist.

"Well then why doesn't he kill all the evil people?"

Sometimes he kills evil people with other evil people. Sometimes he sets evil people on good people who have lost their ways. Sometimes we just don't really know and have to have faith in Him.

It's REALLY not that complicated. But the "intelligent" atheists get hardcore mindfucked by this. Maybe atheists are not that intelligent?

>>126656004
The argument is actually
>"If religion (Christianity say) were man-made, we'd except the religion and info contained within to be limited to the knowledge possessed by the everyday people of the time"
then the image gives one example of this, showing the geocentrism of many religions where the God only focuses on the planet where they find themselves, and on their particular problems.

TL;DR Argument is "the bible is about what we'd expect if it were man-made" Not "the universe is huge therefore no god"

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>>126616376
>Jew promoting atheism

Hitler already warned me about you

>>126655797
The Bible literally has an explanation for the "argument" you presented.

I... nope. Just forget it. Like I said. You're damaged beyond repair.

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>>126656787
>be believes god exists
>he believes god kills evil African kids who starve to feath

Subhuman IQ called, it's your result

>>126655797
I'm sorry you're no longer one of the chosen people anymore
And I know you're butt hurt about Christ being your king
But God wants none to perish
End your rebellion and come to Christ

>>126616376
>>126631878

Every single picture you post consists of a lame strawman argument. You have no clue.

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>>126657331
KIKE
I
K
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>>126656563

Go suck Saudi dick you Trumpfag. How's having no healthcare treating you?

>>126656862
See >>126655613

>>126656320

High earth orbit is around 36,000 km away. Thats where some satellites float around. Satellites range from the size of a watermelon, to the size of a pickup truck.

If I park a pickup truck 36,000 km away from you....could you see it? No, you total retard. Just because you can't understand distance doesn't mean something doesn't exist.

Also - http://www.space.com/6870-spot-satellites.html - how to spot satellites with the naked eye.

'Satellites are fake!' - Uses technology every day that relies on satellites.

>>126656862
Well that's because the Bible was written for the salvation of humanity, not for the rest of the universe. It even says so.

If Christianity were true, every civilization would have their own religion similar to it.

>>126653267
>"The biggest problem for evolutionists is the origin of life from non-life.

has nothing to do with the fact that humans evovled from a proto-chimp, which is naturally what the religious tard who wrote this is actually upset about. We're dirt damnit! not animals!

>Even the simplest single-celled organism is unthinkably complex,

maybe for this retard

>with scores of highly-sophisticated parts, all performing important functions and all mutually interdependent. The laws of statistics have convinced all who have bothered to calculate that even a protein molecule, consisting as it does of a chain of hundreds of precisely arranged amino acids, could never arise by chance.

>HUNDREDS OF THINGS COULDNT COME TOGETHER BY CHANCE, TRUST ME ITS STATISTICS. I MEAN, I HAVEN'T SHOWN ANY ACTUAL STATISTICAL ANALYSIS NOR HAVE I ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THE INFINITE MONKEY THEOREM SAYS THE EXACT OPPOSITE BUT FUCK IT ONLY RETARDS READ THIS ANYWAYS SO PLEASE GO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK STUPID BY COPYING ME.

>And such a protein molecule is trivial compared to any of the working parts of a cell. When it is recognized that all of these parts must be present and functioning at the start, it must be admitted that life from non-life is impossible without intelligent design.

>source: my gaped butthole that my preist routinely wrecks to wash away my dirty sins.

>Actually, any living thing gives such strong evidence for design by an intelligent designer that only a willful ignoring of the data (II Peter 3:5) could lead one to assign such intricacy to chance.

This retarded nigger just quoted the bible as some kind of scientific source. The same book that claims there's a gated garden guarded by angels with flaming swords and that the sky is made of water. This is how retarded this man is.

>>126657649
Health care doesn't work well in diverse societies

>>126657777
Then how do I and others see them orbiting at night?

>>126657463
Why are there no kangaroos mentioned being kn the Noah's ark?

Look at you, trying to come up with a logical answer!

CUTE
U
T
E

Just admit that you are religious because your parents told you to be.
Iittle pathetic cuckhuman

>>126657805
Buddhism has a lot of paralells

>>126657331
What makes you think God didn't punish the people living in Africa with all their diseases and famine? I cannot speak for God, so of course, I do not know, but what makes you certain God didn't punish those people?

Perhaps he did and is.

>>126616376
Also the fact bo alien life has ever visited us or the we visited kinda shows maybe we are alone. also some life would have gotten an atleast couple billion years head start

>>126618124
stop making us look bad

>>126655664
Learn how to read, Giovanni. You literally confirmed what I wrote.

>>126656123
>I love how a Canadian and a Swede are having friendly conversation on 4Chan while the retards around us debate their fundamentalist religious and atheist beliefs (2 sides of the same shit covered coin eh?)
Me too, I appreciate it. (I am taking fedora digs simultaneously where I see them though)

Alright, CGI. My main qualms are common sense ones such as those, I still trust NASA and other space agencies etc, I just don't see a conspiracy of this size and pointlessness as being tenable.

>Also during the day should be able to see some twinkling of the thousands of planes flying in the sky at any moment.
Should we though? Aren't they just too far and few as well as often covered by clouds etc? I do see the occasional planes but I feel like it's a combination of few planes, not much looking up into the sky, clouds and distance etc.

By the way, how does the flat earth hypothesis account for the 24h timezones? It being night in Sweden and day in China etc? Also I don't think you answered the corners question, what is stopping us from going to the edge of the earth and just verifying it's flatness through that?

>>126658073
says the jew, who's very name implies religiosity

>>126653394
not going to go through this shit to. Suffice it to say his only source is a fairy tale book.

>>126656787
It's hilarious you think that stupidity would mindfuck anyone, I am pretty sure what you call mindfuck is people being astonished you are so stupid.

>>126658289
God is supernatural by definition. If He created all natural things, He is supernatural, and so does not need to be created Himself in order to exist.

>>126658073
That could be explained in two ways

1
They didn't have that word back then

2
The flood account is pretty much a general history not a detailed account

3
The flood was a more localized flood

>>126658133
And perhaps my ears are marshmallows
and I ride to work on tamed deer and my father is Santa.

>>126616376
fuck off
shadilay every day

>>126658702
Nope. Athiests literally have a hard time putting things together. That's why God punishes you by making you think it's a good idea to wear a fedora and watch anime.

>>126657725
I don't see how this answers it. They're mentioning things clearly visible to the desert dwellers of the time.

>>126657805
This is one way of explaining it, though not a good one in my estimation. I'd just expect more from an all-knowing good than some "don't kill, don't worship anyone but me, do/don't do these petty things" and the punishment of hell as a stick and heaven as a carrot. It's just not convincing.

>>126616376
well only this tiny place bears any form of life so...

>>126658732
>The flood which punished all humanity didn't affect Australia which had humans living in it.

Beautiful strawman!

>>126658968
But you know God exists

>>126658968
You can't deny it, can you? Perhaps God is punishing African continents with famine and starvation. You can't prove that He isn't. Of course, it is not for us to say, but it's ok for us to suppose it can be.

>>126658710
>God is supernatural by definition.
What definition?

> If He created all natural things, He is supernatural, and so does not need to be created Himself in order to exist.
>why can't I hold all of these assumptions!

>>126659057
Nope. I'm sorry you are retarded.

>>126625959
>Anybody can book a trip to skydive from space
oh i am laffin

>>126658252
also no alein life proves at least a God or gods real. there would be no way we could be the only life if gaytheists are right. and again with the curret predictions on how old earth is and the universe some life would have gotten about 8 billion year head start. imagine what we would be able to do with 5 billion extra years.

>>126659279
I thought Jews had high IQs
Don't you know what a straw man is

A straw man would be saying that atheists don't believe in morals

Maybe the flood happened before the abos made it to Australia
Or maybe it's only referring to a distinct monstrosity known as nephilems

>>126659060
>I don't see how this answers it. They're mentioning things clearly visible to the desert dwellers of the time.
It actually does answer it, if you aren't biased in what answers you want to see.

It actually clearly addresses what OP is attempting to get at.

The writer clearly understands he is nothing but a spec of dust and is thankful for God to have such notice of him.

>>126659819
Polytheism would be impossible for the condition of the God necessary for the universe

>>126659618
You are the retarded one. If God created all natural things he is already outside of "nature" by definition. He is supernatural and isn't bounded by the same rules as natural things.

That's honestly going to fly way over your head though.

>>126618804
then you go to Heaven.
and Hell is in the bible I just did a word search. And the lake of fire to

>>126658323
Yeah it's quite the rabbit hole to go down. Look up NASA faking it videos online they're pretty hilarious.

I don't know about the edges. One of the proposed models is that the earth is surrounded by an ice wall and that Antarctica as we see on maps is not as it seems. Again another point to research for me is to look at expedition data from explorers in the 1800's because allegedly they calculated their trip to be 50000-60000km when going around Antarctica.

As I said I'm not proposing anything new, just still testing and grappling with what I'm seeing and reading and importantly questioning.

>>126660067
>The writer clearly understands he is nothing but a spec of dust and is thankful for God to have such notice of him.
I got this, but it's not an answer. He's looking at the stars, clouds etc and is feeling like a spec of dust in comparison to what he imagines God to be. That's it, that doesn't go against what we'd expect someone creating a religion (probably believing it himself I may add) to utter.

>>126619172
see >>126660500
and he gives people free will to do that.

and God talks about hating people about 19 times in the bible (doesnt mean he cant love though)

>>126626802
>instead found some monster truck sized holes in the current accepted theory.
So explain how the fuck a tightly packed mass with gravitational pull equal to a few % of difference over the entire surface isn't a spheroid.

>>126657777
Also half the satellites up there are in thermosphere (where temperatures induced by radiation can reach 2000 degrees Celsius apparently) what you're referring to are geosynchronous satellites.

Go back to google and come at me with another one dumbtard.

>>126660367
>If God
Is that a plane flying over your head?

>>126660576
It is an answer, you fool. Read OP and then read that passage.

People like you make me happy to know the Lake of Fire is real.

>>126641059
And how many lives have they ruined with AIDS or just being born in general by having a war against condoms?

>>126660943
Someone doesn't understand how argument works.

>>126660943
notanarguement.png

For people who say ask, if God exist then why does he permit evil/death/etc.?--------------------------------

In Christianity God allows people to have choices. You are not forced to believe in God. Your choices also have consequences, which can result in either good or bad things happening.

God created humans in his image, which is usually interpreted as God allowing humans to develop a moral compass, in addition to being able to create things, have options, etc. If anything, bad things that occur to people are a by-product of creation. God knew that humans would eventually rebel, hence why evil exist, as he knew humans would fall for temptation. Although in Christianity, evil is seen as something that can be used for improving yourself.

The point of God isn't to create a utopia for humanity, or any creation, as this would result in a species that isn't self-aware, does nothing, and is without purpose.

For people who ask why does God care if a masturbarte/murder/etc.?---------

In Christianity, you are not supposed to reach a perfect pure life, as this is not possible. Although you should try to strive for improvement. As long as you genuinely give an effort, and believe in God, and the teachings of Christ, that is good enough. It doesn't matter if a person with alcohol/drug problems, a prostitute, etc. still has their issues, if they try to improve on their wrongdoings, they are more likely to go to heaven than a self-proclaimed Christian that lives a pure life, but is condensing towards others, and does what Jesus preached against with the pharisees (judging others to hell isn't your responsibility, by doing this you would probably be the one to fall).

Masturbation isn't explicitly stated in the bible, it's assumed it fall into sexual immorality.

>>126661220
The millennial kingdom will probably be a utopia though (if not then pretty close). I hope to see you there bro

>>126660519
Interesting. While I don't buy the arguments, I'll be using them to play devil's advocate when the opportunity presents itself.

As for 1800s data, I tend to dismiss old data in a lot of fields because of the shear lack of instruments to accurately measure stuff, well-founded processes etc. This depends entirely on how it was measured etc though, replication and whatnot.

>Look up NASA faking it videos online they're pretty hilarious.
I've seen some in the past, black dots appearing and whatnot. I did find reasonable explanations for it though.

I don't know what else to pick your brain with, the points I've raised were mostly just the first things that stuck out to me in considering this hypotheses, the 24h timezones one is still an interesting one imo, I can't see how that's accounted for with the flat earth hypothesis

People also make the mistake of assuming that if God is against evil, he should therfore be proactive in getting rid of it. That isn't the case in Christianity. If all humans were immune to death, were pure and only worshiped God, etc. there would be little to no purpose for our existence.

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>>126625532
you realize you're actually an idiot, right?

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>People actually agreeing w/ OP

Good Goys fight intolerant Christianity

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>>126631878
i've refuted this shit bedore stop fucking posting it. and your guy in there doesn't even refute his arguement

and here is the fedora pic

>>126661008
Saying it is an answer doesn't make it so, I just explained why I didn't consider it an answer, namely
> That's it, that doesn't go against what we'd expect someone creating a religion (probably believing it himself I may add) to utter.
You didn't refute this, you just said "yes it is an answer".

>People like you make me happy to know the Lake of Fire is real.
Sure it does, and it's surely the Christian one and not the Muslim one either. There's literally 0 evidence in support of this idea.

>>126661973
And how would gravity work on a flat earth asshole?

>>126658710
>does not need to be created to exist
That's exactly the point. You have again confirmed what I said. Theists believe that God is not created, but for some reason claim that it is absurd to believe that physical laws are not created. God is much more complex than physical laws and the natural world, therefore it should be even more absurd to believe that God was not created.

>>126625195
why don't one of you flat niggers just go to the edge of the earth and take a picture?
well then....

>>126618777
There is nothing greater than yourself you kike shill what are you a fucking commie gtfo

>>126661187
>>126661203
It wasn't supposed to be an argument lel.

I guess I have to explain it for the thiest tards.

>If God created all things
He didn't and you have no proof he did.

>then he must be supernatural
No he\it\shit doesn't have to be.

>>126661973
>ice wall
>no photos of ice wall
>images are stretched and light from the sun doesn't even match actual sun light

This has to be the dumbest image ever created.

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>>125637346
>>125637346
>>125637346

No fedora has actually refuted it yet

>>126662294
Even if God were created, his creator would still be God. It wouldn't change a thing.

>>126618777
Silly. We can conceive of it, we just don't believe it exists.

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>>126662391
I agree that flat-earth supporters are morons.

>>126618777
Rather, atheist can conceive of things greater than themselves, but they can't conceive of a mind like theirs creating it all and then meddling with it's creations, while conveniently leaving no direct evidence.

>>126660500
what if the lake of fire is the sun and after this life when you say you diddn't know, he will say you have been looking at it your entire life

>>126658252
You do fine looking bad all on your own, cuck.

>>126662888 nice digits
only half retard then?

>>126662638
"""""proof"""""

>>126662848
>4 images proves there is a wall around the outside of a circle earth
Nice one idiot.

>ITT: Brainless demiurge slaves

>>126663030
Well there is evidence but they throw out anything that mentions supernatural activities

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Debate this niggers

>>126662294
God is supernatural by definition.

Sorry, you're too stupid to debate.

>>126662269
it flies up at 6 meters a second of course

>>126662790
Do you reject the possibility of the supernatural and in what way can you show me the super natural does not exist

>>126662118
Ok. Saying it's not an answer doesn't make it so.

Because it is an answer.

You'd have to be dumb to not think so.

>>126663234
Supernatural activities are just poorly explained phenomena, Just because we don't know what caused something doesn't mean there's an intelligence causing it.

>>126663363
>then he is malevolent
makes a lot of assumptions there buddy

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>>126663208
>(((((((((arguement)))))))))

>>126662499
You don't know how debate works.

"If God created all things" already implies I acknowledge your doubt in the argument.

You're just too stupid to actually debate about anything.

>>126663363
Freewill
If God wants you to love him, and forces you to love him
Is that love?

>>126663587
>Do you reject the possibility of the supernatural
No. It may or may not be possible (nature has certain restrictions), I can't know whether it does or not though. So "anything is possible"

>in what way can you show me the super natural does not exist
I can't, but I'm not the one making the claim that it exists. Burden of proof and all. Just claiming something doesn't make it viable.

>>126663587
>in what way can you show me the super natural does not exist
It's pretty simple, you can't show any supernatural thing existing. If the person who really thinks supernatural things exist can't prove them in some way then it's highly likely they don't exist.

>>126663784
>(((((((((arguement)))))))))
>(((((((((evidence)))))))))

You'll be the first to go heretic

>>126662740
>his creator would still be God
That doesn't make any sense. You can't just put words next to each other. Words have meaning. If God was created, then he didn't exist before he was created. If he didn't exist, he couldn't create anything, including himself.

>>126663536
Then why is the moons' gravity different?

>>126663648
>all-powerful, but doesn't give a fuck about what happens to its creations
Doesn't seem like a good role model to me

>>126663979
>If God wants you to love him, and forces you to love him
Yes, you'd still be feeling what we call "love" whether it's forced or not.