Yes, Netherlands

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>>126560604
>mfw first thing I did when I turned 18 three years ago was opt out of being a donor

why would you opt out?

They're doing this everywhere they can, common people are just walking organ banks for the rich now.

>>126560604
>I immediately recieved a phone call and was questioned how I had the nerve to opt out.

Best reason to opt out really.

>>126560604
>As of today, everyone over the age of 18 is a donor unless they opt out.

Stop lying, retard.

>>126560730
I opted out.

I was called by some lady from the ministry of health and I was barated on the phone till I hung up.

>>126560974
Why do you feel the need to lie?
Serious question.

>>126560604
Imagine you dying, and in line there is a European child needing your kidney. Instead they give it to a "refugee" child that in reality is a 30 year old man. The European child dies, the refugee lives and rapes and pillages with your kidney.

>>126560604
People who opt out should not be allowed to receive a donation if they need it.

>>126560790
Dutch doctors have admited they will let someone die for their organs instead of trying to safe their lives.

Many have gone to jail, but this practice is still ongoing.

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>>126561076
So a part of you finally gets laid? Sounds based tbqhwyf

>>126560838
Did you watch "The Island" with Scarlet Johanson?

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I opted out because there was no option for me to make my organs for europeans only.

If I knew my organs would go to a european or spanish person instead of an immigrant, I'd be a donor. But since they don't give me the option I don't want to be a donor.

>>126561246
I agree with that. I opted out and I do not expect to receive from others.

>>126561318
Kek what
Are you all right, bro? Did you hit your head or something?

>I immediately recieved a phone call and was questioned
what exactly they ask?

>>126560604
I will opt out tonight. Keeping my fingers crossed I won't get an accident in the meantime, living dangerously.

>>126561631
He's making it up, Hans.

>D66
Why doesn't this surpise me this idea is their work?

>>126561462
This. Because there is a 10% chance my organs could go to a non-White I'm opting out. Won't take the risk, maybe in an Etno-State I would.

>>126561631
It isn't an official law yet, OP is being a faggot.

>>126561385
Yes, I remember the general organ harvesting theme, but not the details. They lived in a matrix of sorts IIRC?

>>126561814
Even if he is, this is the exact system they recently adopted in Serbia. Everyone's a donor unless they opt out, and wealthy foreigners can buy access to everyone's medical database to pick and choose.

>>126561462

Same here, fuck em

>>126561560
Watch "Nieuwsuur" from 2009. It was a huge scandel, you would not know as you were nothing more than a WANKSTAIN back then.

>>126561631
The lady was very harsh and insulting.
She said
> How dare you!
> We need organs badly
> Because of you people will die
> Because of you our world wide healthcare ranking will drop
> Because of you our country will look bad

My reply was "Madame, we live in a free country. This is not North Korea. This is my choice and the end of this discussion" and I hung up.

>>126561318
That's fine with me. Using my organs on a shitskin would be a bigger shame than dying because a lack of organs.

>>126560604
It`s been like this in the UK for years.

>>126561969
>The lady was very harsh and insulting.
>She said
>> How dare you!
>> We need organs badly
>> Because of you people will die
>> Because of you our world wide healthcare ranking will drop
>> Because of you our country will look bad

>My reply was "Madame, we live in a free country. This is not North Korea. This is my choice and the end of this discussion" and I hung up.

And then your mother woke you up for school.

Kill yourself.

>>126561969
>opting out during office hours

That's why I do all the online government stuff in the evening.

>>126560790
Because the bastards won't pay my estate for the organs. They won't even help with burial costs, so fuck them.

>doctors make money transplanting your organs
>hospitals make money
>insurance companies make money

Besides, I don't want my organs saving some stupid liberal.

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>>126560604
Wait wat.

HOW DO I OPT OUT

>>126560604
i suggest reading the article. They have not decided yet and are going to be informed by experts on that subject

>>126560974
OK, some nether has to answer this. What did they say? How did they harrass you?

>>126561560
This kind of thing is not limited to the Netherlands. Wherever there's kikes there will be shit like this going on. Opt out.

>>126562112
Hehe topkek

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(((Ze))) laten het me niet veranderen die kankerflikkers

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It's just the jews expanding operation dark harvest to the netherlands, look up the statistics, organ donors die under hospital supervision more often.

I have hard, strong and harse opinions.

> We are all born with a set of organs.
> If you fuck up your organ due to Alcohol, Smoking or an Unhealthy Lifestyle.
> Then that is your own fucking vault and you do not deserve a transplant!

> This also counts for people with genetic defect
> Every couple, before they decide to have kids should have themselves screened for genetical defects.

I hate what the world is turning in to. People no longer take responsibility for themselves. Instead point the finger at others and expect others to clean up their mess.

>>126561560
Alex talked about this. It's true.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/patient-wakes-doctors-remove-organs/story?id=19609438

>>126562275
https://www.donorregister.nl/

You need a broken and fully leaking "Digid"

>>126562390
Read my other post
>>126562112

>>126561076
This, if this was a good and fair world and I knew a white, prospective child would get my organs, I'd sign up myself to be a donor, but I know the one who gets my organ will be some dirty old kike tycoon who already had 8 heart transplants or some worthless nigger leech.

>>126562629
>Tfw I didn't have to reply to this post or your mother will die in her sleep tonight.

this is edgy even for you guys standards
guess you now feel so cool, will be nice if you need a transplant and they will deny it to you :^)

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>>126562588
Done.

>>126562468
Ja had ik ook

>>126562468
What the fuck ! and you are forced to call a 0900 number, at what? 1.50 a minute?

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>>126561076

>>126561560
Put yourself in doctors position.
If you can kill a guy to save two others it's not really crazy to think such senario

>>126562468
(((Typical Tricks)))

Socialist here. I opted in and just got a new liver. I probably owe trillions now but the point is sometimes It's ok NOT to be a shit person.

>>126561954
>Everyone's a donor unless they opt out, and wealthy foreigners can buy access to everyone's medical database to pick and choose.

Wtf. Is this serious?

>>126562892
I thought that was taboo in Japan, just like suicide and going to a psychiatrist.

>>126562974
>implying rich people want serbian organs
you will really believe at anything right?

I have hard, strong and harse opinions.

> We are all born with a set of organs.
> If you fuck up your organ due to Alcohol, Smoking or an Unhealthy Lifestyle.
> Then that is your own fucking vault and you do not deserve a transplant!

> This also counts for people with genetic defect
> Every couple, before they decide to have kids should have themselves screened for genetical defects.

I hate what the world is turning in to. People no longer take responsibility for themselves. Instead point the finger at others and expect others to clean up their mess.

>>126562727
fuck off, kike

I hope you faggots all realize OP is full of it.

>>126563079
>rich semite gets Serb organs
>dies from high ammount of test residing in the organs

Anyone with a rational mind would gladly donate their organs. You don't feel anything when you're dead. Give me one good reason to opt out of donating other than you're a narcisstic pussy fag

>>126560604
Same system has been working in Spain and Austria just fine.

Everyone should be a donor unless he or she opts out. It is easy, it is less of a hassle for the family and it saves lives.

Half of Southern German people with liver and kidney and heart transplants got Austrian organs in them. German legislation is THAT stupid - rather than do an opt out system in Germany, we still have an opt in system, requiring us to import organs from Austria.

>>126562773
>>126562468
Get ready for a phone call.

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>>126563090
We should have the same policies as Nazi-Germant. Euthanise the handicapped and other serious genetic defects. Furthermore only euthanise people with severe pain. Old people can kill themselves if they are 'tired of life', the State shouldn't have to do this.

>>126562393
You mean wherever there's humans. China is famous for this and there no jews.

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>>126562727
>It's okay for the government to force to give up your organs.
>It's not okay to make that decision for yourself.

>>126563300
I did not want to get a barating phone call.

>>126563347
Chinese are the Jews of the East tho. Many Chinese conspiraxies in SE Asia.

>>126563123
You should be denied a transplant if you're off the list though. You can't have it both ways you fucking degenerate

>>126563192
Can you explain why and how people like rockefeller are able to get 6 heart transplants? Please look it up its true.

>>126563090
>WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!

Fuck off. If you want to remove yourself from society then do so.

>>126562974
http://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/1962513-hteli-to-ili-ne-svi-cemo-donirati-organe-predlog-novog-zakona-sokirao-srbiju-video

Calling a Serbian flag tell you about it, if you don't believe me, they can probably tell you all about all the organ trafficking that went down in Kosovo too.

There's a massive disproportion between this push for organ donation because there's a really low number of actual transplants happening in Serbian hospitals (literally a handful per year), so people are clearly asking questions about who exactly will be getting all those organs... and it was "coincidentally" pushed along with a centralized medical history database. So you do the math.

>>126563292
It might save a nigger or a muslim.

>>126563336
I'm in favor of that. The human gene pool need to be stong and not become diluted

>>126563544
>flag tell
*flag to tell

>>126562716
no pls

>>126563434
>HURRR WHY WONT GUBMINT LET MY FUNCTIONING ORGANS ROT IN A COFFIN INSTEAD OF TAKING THEM TO SAVE PEOPLES LIVES REEEEE

>>126563292
>(((Braindead)))
Organs are harvested when you're still alive.
There's also a real possibility your organs are used to safe a shitskin.

>>126563465
Then do not opt out.

When I was 18, I left the Catholic church. I got 2 calls within a week, one from my "local priest" who I had never met before and one from a friend who said I made a great mistake. The files about my religion were supposed to be private... well, apparently someone in my village talked.

>>126563434
>government uses worm fodder instead of paying drugs for 20 years to kikepharma for cronic diseases
>ITS BAD BOIS LETS PAY MORE TAXES DAT WILL DO THE WORK

you can opt out so you are not forced to do anything, if i got it right
stop being autistic

It's opt-in in UK, and I'm opted-in. If it ever becomes opt-out, I'll opt out immediately. My organs are mine, not theirs.

>>126563534
typical libtard

>>126563652
>organs harvested while alive
this delusion
>used to save a nig
What is genectic compatibility?

>>126563465
Shouldve just told her you didn't want your organs to go into a rapefugee and If there weren't any then you'd opt in.

>>126560604
give it away? nah
sell that shit
heart:$3 a day
liver or kidneys: 50c a piss
you get the idea

>>126563694
>I'll let people die to make a political statement

kys

I'll never opt in because I can't choose the person that'll receive my organs. Don't want a nigger or Muslim to receive my precious organs

>>126563739
are you implying that blacks and arabs can't deal with white organs?
of course they can

>>126563666
666
Stasi?

>>126560604
good for you Dutch bro. first of all there's no guarantee as to who your organs will go to. second, who can guarantee that if your organs are a match for someone deemed *more important* that you'll be given the best care possible?

Now I'm no tinfoil, jet fuel can't melt chemtrails, type of guy, but this sounds so fucking shady and untransparent that the best option is to decline and make it a well known fact.

>>126563292
>Car crash
>Brain damage
>Be organ donor
>Doctors do not do their utmost to save you

Sociopaths/kikes are overrepresented among doctors.

>>126561560

Let me guess, you are one of those retarded letists to "troll" /pol/ and then just found out we are not satyrical and all this crzy evil shit is actualy going on?

Enjoy the ride, it will only get worse as you discover more shit.

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>>126560604
Do foreigners have to also follow this process?

>>126563781
If I said that. I would have been thrown in jail for racism and a hate crime.

Remember free speech no longer exists.

fake news

>>126563803
I'm really sellin myself short here
surgeon's savvy and medical equipment are way overpriced.
Parts and Labor.

>>126563820
Eat only Pork and drink Alcohol to make your body Haram for them.

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>>126563300
you can't stop being cucks, even when it comes to donor organs.

>>126563649
Yes, that's my right. Deal with it.

>>126560604
opting out means you're a shitty selfish person. You really should be ashamed of yourself.

>>126563978
>doctors know you are an organ donor

Not in the UK, because we aren't a 1984 style shithole

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>>126562892
Murder is murder. Numbers doesn't matter. The doctor isn't God.

>>126564187
Hope you have a freak accident, get denied a transplant and die

>>126563347
>China is famous for this and there no jews.
How is China relevant to this discussion? This is about the west and our kikes.

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>>126563820
>are you implying that blacks and arabs can't deal with white organs?
>of course they can
Wow it's as if... you know... we're all humans and race doesn't exist.

/pol/ BTFO.

>>126564202
You are fucking retarded.

>>126564280
I hope your organs get put in a refugee and they go on to rape your family with your kidneys.

>>126563041

>suicide
>taboo
>japan

far from it, have you heard of committing sudoku?

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>>126564202
They have a database dude,
They can see all your medical records.

Fuk, so the gov will now try their best to lower safety regulations just enough to be able to organ harvest sufficiently

>>126564202

>Not in the UK, because we aren't a 1984 style shithole

lol, that's where you're so so wrong buddy. why do you think the ISPs are legally required to keep a log of every website you visit? why do you think there is cctv on every single street corner? why do you think you have to "register" for things, and forced to pay income tax?

welcome to 1984

I wouldn't be surprised if they take your organs anyway.

>>126564060
Oh yeah, you're not american.

>>126563978
Um that's illegal.

And if that were true you'd have a much bigger problem going on.
>hmm I don't like this guy's face.
>guess i'm not gonna do my best to save him!

>>126563739
Braindead is just a (((legal))) concept, it doesn't mean you are dead.

"Death must have occurred before donation can take place.

Death can be determined in two ways:

Brain death occurs when a person's brain permanently stops functioning.
Circulatory death occurs when the circulation of blood in a person permanently stops."

http://www.donatelife.gov.au/understanding-donation-process

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>>126560604
>has leukemia
>can never be organ donor
CHECKMATE NETHERLANDS.. oh wait i still got fucking cancer, fuck

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>>126564202
>because we aren't a 1984 style shithole
you are

>>126560604
Opting out because you don't want your organs to be part of some rapefugee is kind of funny, most of them will not be compatible with white organs anyway. Leftists say and believe that race is just social construct but nature says something different and you can't white guilt nature.

I'm not an organ donor and never will be, however after I die my organs can be used for scientific research.

>>126564714
>Um that's illegal.

As if that will stop doctor Shekelstein.

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>>126564202
>Not in the UK, because we aren't a 1984 style shithole

>>126564190
Opting out means not giving other people an incentive to let me die, while I can be saved. Not saying that happens (structurally), I just don't want to take unnecessary risks. Also, I really don't like how they're forcing things if you don't register.

If that means I'm selfish, so be it.

>>126564861
true, when your brain permanently stops functioning you arent braindead, you become a pol shitposter

>>126564202
You're a 2017 shithole

>>126565649
or a drumpf voter

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>>126564202
>Not in the UK, because we aren't a 1984 style shithole

>>126562468
what does this say?

>>126562469
bull shit
i work at the VA (murse)
>VA
i know
and we try as much as we can to save vets even though sometimes its just a pain in the ass.

i know the VA gets bad rep but the problem 90% of the time is the red tape, not the staff

in b4 someone post the video of that nurse yelling at the vet.

>>126566888
'Due to unknown causes something went wrong.'
Probably the opt in/out wasn't processed.

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>>126564280
>implying i dont want to die already

>>126562390

Its not even a law yet.. He is just shitposting.

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>>126567114
>my face when my organs cant be donated

i hope someones gets something off me, they will suffer as much as i am kek

>>126562588
You don't need digid, you can just do it through the mail, and the site says
>om privacyredenen worden nooit telefonische uitspraken gedaan over welke keuze is geregistreerd.

A reminder that dead organs are useless. They harvest while you are still alive.

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>>126566637
Let me guess he said the fascists of the future will call themselves antifa.

>>126560604
I couldn't give 2 shits, just as long as my weed stays legal

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>>126561246
>people who dont want to be murdered for their organs should be left to die

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>>126561560
>1 post by this ID

>>126563640
Don't worry. I keep not replying to those posts and my mother is still fucking living. It's a scam.

>>126562095
It definitely hasn't.

One body can save a lot of lives... That's what they are teaching the professionals that get to make the decision to either ensure they get good feely wheelies from saving a heap of lives with your organs, or just feel MEH saving another white male.

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>>126567084
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039656/New-organ-donation-rules-Surgeons-wont-wait-make-sure-heart-stopped.html
Sure thing Chaim ill believe you when doctors stop trying to kill people for their organs.

how the fuck do I opt out, whats the site

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>>126564401
FUCKING KEK

>>126560604
Can you demand that they only donate your organs to white people?

>>126560604
Finally, real socialism being tried.

>gib organs

>smoke weed goy
>legalize same sex marriages and degeneracy goy
>dont think about future and your organs and your children's organs

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>>126560974
>>126562390
He's lying.
>>126570457
No one is going to kill you. On the contrary I think they try to keep people alive for too long. Causing unnecessary suffering and is also very expensive for society as a whole.
>>126576549
LOL, I bet you'd let a black man give his organ to your sister if that would mean she would survive. Fucking hypocrite.

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>>126572329
>If you do nothing, we will regard you as having no objection to donating your organs. This is called deemed consent.

https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/supporting-my-decision/welsh-legislation-what-it-means-for-me/

Its a welsh thing

>>126562892
first do no harm

>>126576549
They will still murder you to give your organs to some cuck.

>>126564993
you win some you lose some

>>126577232
a black organ is not likely to survive in a white person

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>>126577232
>I think they try to keep people alive for too long. Causing unnecessary suffering and is also very expensive for society as a whole.
So they are allowed to slave away for society until they have a medical issue likely caused by society at which point they are a burden and should be euthenized for their own good and that of society.
You must be a fucking troll because no shill would be so blatantly obvious.
>lying
Nope here in Germany they tried the same and people called them out for it being coersion.

>>126563649
I dont want mine going to a shitskin

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iedereen in dit kanker draadje is echt kanker dom jezus.

you are a fucking idiot if you think this is common or even a practice in Holland this is a class A shill thread.
and how much do you wanna bet the people who opt out immediately after turning 18 are either religious idiots or to fucking fat or unhealthy to even use as donors.

>a fucking licensed doctor at UMC in Utrecht

Btw dont be fooled donors save a fuckton of lives.
why are dutch people such fucking losers in real life and this stupid forum FUCK

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>>126578553
>why are dutch people such fucking losers in real life and this stupid forum FUCK
Why are you liberals such fucking fascists?
What became of your values?

>>126577850
>Nope here in Germany they tried the same and people called them out for it being coersion.

He is lying dont be fooled kanker mof.

this shit can easily be checked
dont forget summer vacation has pretty much started for all low class studies in Holland

>>126578853
saving a life is not reserved for liberals you fucking autist

I used to joke that 100 years from now, when the JWO is firmly in place, nations will be pressed into accepting drastic measures to lower national debt. As a result people will have debt from birth, and will be forced to sell organs and limbs if they don't manage to reduce their debt by X until the age of X.

Doesn't seem so outlandish anymore, does it? The goyim cattles organs have value, you see.

>>126564202
how can anyone read this post and not support organ donations? this poster has been braindead for years without his functioning organs being used for something valuable

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>>12657785
Nobody is getting involuntarily euthanized. That would be murder. It's about balance. Is it really worth it to keep people alive for an extra 6 months if they're just going to suffer the whole time. Machines keeping you alive, full of needles, pain, you can't even go to the bathroom by yourself. Also it costs so much money, which could have gone to other patients. Healthcare costs have already skyrocketed the last 10 years and this trend will continue. Medicine and technology has advanced a lot and this is of course great, but this also means we'll have to take more responsibility.
>>126578553
Dumb Dutch alt-right babies come and lie on /pol/ about the Netherlands, because other, mostly American, alt-right babies will basically believe anything if it fits their narrative.
If some obviously fake news story talks about a Dutch woman getting raped by a refugee they'll eat that shit up without any questions. Of course if this wouldn't be about a refugee they would all say that the woman just regretted having sex while drunk, the rape accusation is fake and all Western woman are whore nowadays.
This is just one of the many examples: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-german-girl-admits-making-up-claim-she-was-raped-by-refugees-in-berlin-a6845256.html

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>>126578992
>He is lying dont be fooled kanker mof.
Nigger I had to defend that shit in school 6 years ago and the argument was literally "is it okay to coerce people for the greater good".
I know for a fact that the government pushes this shit and you are full of it.
>>126579098
>saving a life is not reserved for liberals you fucking autist
I would argue that saving lives is the last thing liberals would ever advocate. That said saving lives at the cost of others is not ethical and you fascists are the last who should judge over whos life is worth saving and who can die already.
You pretending this were about saving lives and no stings attached is as orwellian as it is pathetic just as your claim that those who show compassion were autists.

>>126565009
>however after I die my organs can be used for scientific research.
You mean be disrespected by med students?
Sorry but your kidneys will be dissected by people that will most likely slap their buddy with it first.

>>126577232
Go have to go back shitskin.

>>126580455
>1 girl lied
>everything is a lie
So much for listen and belive those girls eh.
>Nobody is getting involuntarily euthanized

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039656/New-organ-donation-rules-Surgeons-wont-wait-make-sure-heart-stopped.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/patient-wakes-doctors-remove-organs/story?id=19609438

According to your own logic that is one case proving the opposite so all accusations by nurses of doctors euthanizing for organs must be true.

>>126563649

I understand that it might be hard for you to understand that there are countries where there's freedom and you don't have to follow every directive coming from the government unless you get picked up by the bobbies for incitement to some 1984-crime.

> Your organs are the property of the state

UK is even more communist than USSR at it height.

>>126578553
1. reporting you to the UMC for sitting on the internet wasting time
2. how many people have you killed
3. dutch education is not much and a low level
4. internationally dutch doctor are not seen in high regard
5. have you not seen nieuwsuur in 2009, on how doctors rather harvest organs instead of saving lives

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>>126580455

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>>126581472
>Dailymail.co.uk
Is this the kind of place you get your information from?

>>126563649
Since youre a virgin, why dont you donate your perfectly functioning dick to a wounder firefighter or something? I imagine theirs a more valuable human than you that could use your organs, you insufferable sack of shit.

>>126562892
>If you can kill a guy to save two others it's not really crazy to think such senario
We should start killing niggers then

>>126580455
>Healthcare costs have already skyrocketed

Gee! I wonder why? The Netherlands has the largest "grey-ing" population in the world.

Also our reformed (privatised healthcare system) gave insurance companies alot of power.

Have you not seen the 600 page report leaked to the NOS, how the healthcare watchdog has no true power to regulate the industry.

I could go on and on abouth the failing dutch healthcare system.

So much retardation in one thread. I've worked with liver transplantations in academic hospitals, I can't even start to quote posts here or I'd be busy for a good 10 minutes.

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>>126563666
>I left the Catholic church
>666

>>126582713
>I've worked with liver transplantations in academic hospitals
Saving alcoholics, so noble
I dont get whats so difficult about my body, my rights.
>inb4 abortion
Fuck off, fetuses arent organs.

>>126582978
I don't even want to know what kind of pills you are on, anon.

>>126563649
My body my choice
Now fuck off

I've had doctors tell me not to sign up for that organ donation thing. No way I ever will.

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>>126581973
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/changes-in-controversial-organ-donation-method-stir-fears/2011/09/15/gIQAlY9agK_story.html?utm_term=.c75f36ce920f
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8519.2010.01811.x/full
https://www.unos.org/wp-content/uploads/unos/AnnualReport2011.pdf
>implying you actually read anything anywaylet alone engage any argument you fucking shill
What gay ass website do you get your reaction images from blue?

>>126582371
to save 2 niggers? your plan is flawed

>>126560790
the profit margin on a healthy donor body is $80,000.

the elite are literally chopping up our dead bodies and selling the parts back to us for a profit.

they call this charity.

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Look. You do what you're told and you go home while your sister's lung goes to the king. Bring in your nephew on thursday before his breakfast.

>>126583859
fugg

I'm not exactly a fan of being a donor, but I'm not sure if, and how the American situation compares to the Dutch situation.

I still don't get how people will see this law as okay. This means the goverment has acces to your organs by default. The audacity of these politicians is outrageous.

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>>126582499
>Gee! I wonder why?
Why so condescending? Healthcare costs have risen a lot. This is a fact.
I know Dutch people like to complain, but calling the Dutch healthcare system a failure is a bit of an exaggeration. It's much cheaper than the American system and on average better(except of course if you're a millionaire). We're on par with the rest of the developed world.
There is no perfect magical fix. Healthcare will always be expensive.

>>126583846
hey mate healthcare system also killed some people by medical mistakes, why dont we remove it whole? it's just a big blood sucking jew shit anyway

ik probeer uit te leggen aan mijn ouders waarom ik geen donor wil worden, en ze zijn er serieus boos om.
tfw

>>126560604
How long until quality of care is determined by donor status

>"We need 6km of blood or this man will die!"
>"Doctor, this man is not a donor. He choose to opt out of participating in the donor program and is not eligible to receive donated blood."
>"Damnit! Why did he have to opt out! WHY!"
>BEEEEEEEEEPP
>Flatline
>dead op
>no more lies

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>>126584392
Thats a false equivalent and proof you didnt even read the changes you shill.
Allowing doctors to go on with organ harvesting from cardiac death as opposed to braindeath lets the doctors skip attempts of revival should the patients heart stop.
It is literally moving the goalpost after being caught murdering people for their organs.
(((Your))) right to life is not at the expense of others.

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>>126561462
>>126561076
>>126562652
>>126561857
>>126561966

And I always thought I was the only one

>>126585338
that's burgerland news, how does it even have anything to do with netherlands? those rules described literally have nothing to do with this

I wonder what Geert thinks of this

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>>126583846
I'm all in for having a serious discussion about the ethics of organ transplantation and euthanasia. These are complicated issues that are not so clear cut.
I just don't want to appease to all these ignorant people in this thread who rather have their organs rot away than to help a black child or claim that doctors are out to get your organs like some kind of Frankenstein.
Also calling everyone a shill who doesn't agree with you is very childish.

>>126587077
>looks for serious dicussion
>goes on /pol/
you cant make this shit up

>>126562892
>(...)I will use treatment to help the sick according to my ability and judgment, but never with a view to injury and wrong-doing. Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course. Similarly I will not give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion. But I will keep pure and holy both my life and my art. I will not use the knife, not even, verily, on sufferers from stone, but I will give place to such as are craftsmen therein.

>Into whatsoever houses I enter, I will enter to help the sick, and I will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm, especially from abusing the bodies of man or woman, bond or free.

>>126562112
Kek

>>126560974
uhuh. stfu retard.

>>126560604
Wealthy elite needs cheap organs, pleb. Poor Rockefeller could be alive if we could find more organ transplants.

>>126588121
>implying they dont just have to buy some healthy 3rd worlder for 50$ to get some good changing parts
also getting a stranger male organ inside of your body sounds pretty degenerate

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>>126586544
>https://www.edqm.eu/medias/fichiers/current_situation_of_donation_after_circulatory_death_in_european_countries.pdf
We call it differently so its totally not the same.
>>126587077
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2016/04/euthanasia-by-organ-harvesting
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27932146/
>ethics
U w0t m8?
>I just don't want to appease to all these ignorant people in this thread who rather have their organs rot away than to help a black child or claim that doctors are out to get your organs like some kind of Frankenstein.
Their body their choice. They are no ressource for you to exploit and sell off you fucking asshole.
>Also calling everyone a shill who doesn't agree with you is very childish.
Oh shit yeah calling someone out after advocating forced euthanazia and mandatory organ "donations" after being caught lying about medical mispractice is childish.
Also Frankenstein at least attempted revival.

>>126588373
>implying 3rd worlds are healthy
It's still lots of trouble if anyone finds out. Making it legal to harvest organs from well bred white cattle solves most of the problems and expenses. Now they just do it without a fuss rather than get it oldfashioned way.

>>126563694

Actually in wales you're a donator unless you opt out and its coming to england soon

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>>126560604
I've been a donor for years but I rather let them root than risk giving a mudslime a second chance with my organs.

>>126588689
they dont even have identities, you can take up a bunch and check the one in best health
sell the others to some pedochanner who thinks traps arent gay
wa la

>most people here unironically think that their government is selling organs to isis survivors and that their choice wont actually 99% damage their country original people

>>126589197
If they are so crazy for that shit they can try and convince the migrants of it and see what happens.

>>126560604
>Really start hating Dutch people.
>No longer want to be donor.
>tfw they might have to put all my healthy organs in the ground instead.
Fuck them, they get nothing. Meanwhile I can still get organs, even when there are many shitskins in front of me in line.

>>126589308
>they dont even have identities
Do you think you can just throw organs in a bag at the hospital door and they will take it happily to patch someone up? I presume whities health is better monitored as well. These laws simplify many things and open the way for further terrible laws.

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>>126589437
>get caught red handed redefining death, murdering people and stealing their organs
>oy vey only racists wouldnt donate their organs! we should make donation mandatory!

>>126589437
>implying the majority of people waiting for new organs dont deserve death
Gluttonous slobs dont deserve second chances. Organ donation is a lot like paying for HIV treatment for the gays. Society is paying for mistakes of individuals.

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> Wegens onbekende redenen is er iets fout gegaan.

Onze excuses voor het ongemak. Neem voor meer informatie contact op met het Donorregister: 0900-821 21 66 (lokaal tarief).


fuckers

>>126577232
FATT

>>126560790

Brain dead is a joke and they will operate on you without anaesthesia.

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>>126577232
is interracial organ donation a thing all the organ donation websites say they need black donors but don't say why. with 50% of americans being black or hispanic this seems odd

>>126560604
Does it apply only to the citizens or any person dying in your country?

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This are the organ donors in our private heathcare system.

All of them.

You are all going to die under Trumpcare.

>>126590010
good goy, better keep giving them those expensive schlomo approved drugs! that will teach a good lessons to those commies
>>126589746
you talked about wealthy elite, those dont have to stay in the rules for the average citizen

>>126590051
They are obviously being flooded with people pissed off because the government just gave doctors a reason to let them die if not outright kill them.
http://nltimes.nl/2014/10/21/organ-trafficking-hits-netherlands/

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>>126588545
>mandatory organ "donations"
You do understand that it's still a choice? If you want to be a selfish asshole and let your organs rot away you can just op-out. It would only take you 5 minutes of effort. I don't understand your hysterical attitude.
>advocating forced euthanazia
How and where? You're just making shit up now.
>They are no ressource for you to exploit and sell off you fucking asshole.
How is saving peoples lives with otherwise useless organs a form of exploitation? Also they are not selling the organs for profit. Where do you even get these ridiculous claims?
Are you by any chance also an anti-vaxxer or a climate change denier?

>>126560604
Why is this bad?

>>126560790
well I added "ask my close family or no go" since they know I do not want to donate my organs to some random Ahmed.
If some real Dane is in need and I am a goner anyways then sure harvest that shit. If some Danes want to do an experiment with my mortal remains; feel free. BUT I WILL NOT HAVE MY ORGANS BUT IN SOME FOREIGN MONGREL!

>>126590539
>good goy, better keep giving them those expensive schlomo approved drugs! that will teach a good lessons to those commies
Whats your argument? I just said paying for other peoples mistakes is retarded. I dont want my taxes going towards AIDS meds, and I dont want my organs going to drunks and druggies. Let them all drink and smoke and fuck themselves to death.

>>126590539
>those dont have to stay in the rules for the average citizen
They don't stay anyways but they have to pay a lot of money to avoid the consequences. That will make both organs and coverage much cheaper.

>>126563225
or
>semite/arab get serb organ
>the organ remove the kebab

before i got redpilled i unironically donated my kidney to a nigger who was later deported for rape. tfw i basicaly caused that nigger raped white woman here. idk how to feel but its pretty funny if i wasnt missing one kidney now.

>>126590085
No, they don't. You need anasthesia even on brain deads simply because of reflexes. You don't want some hammer-knee-reflex thing knocking you over while cutting out the heart.

Stopp with your bullshit.

>>126590101
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2954674/
Yes and whites are by far the largest donor group.

>>126590779
They will never know where your organs will go to. So there is no point.

>>126590782
didnt check you flag sorry, forgot that can actually happen in burgerland so there is a logic.
but would you apply that to everything? what if 2 guys have a car crash, you only help the one who was right? and if he has an accident while doing something dangerous, it's his fault so just die?

>>126591223
This. Also everyone concerned about shitskins getting their organs, the biggest issue with transplants is that the organ wont be accepted by the new body. Youre extremely unlikely to end up with your liver in a nigger. They are likely to match Drunk McLeary your irish neighbor though. He will appreciate you gving him 20 more years of hard drinking

>>126591109
>Nonetheless, it is well known that man as a biological species is polymorphic, with significant variation occurring within the specie
that's got to be old, yep 1990

>>126591464
Nah, not in germany considering the hugh amount of roaches mixed with germans. I don't want to risk it. I literaly rqather let a cut littel german girl die off than let a nog life. Plus side: As sad as it is, that cute little girl was not meant to life with thos genetic defects.

>>126591223
maybe not in Germany. However in Denmark organs CANT leave the country and if you demand to know who will receive the organ you must be informed. Organs are not thrown into some anonymous pool unless you opt in 100%. And if you do that the doctors have the right to harvest you and send your body parts to the students so they can train on the real thing.

>>126591007

Let me rephrase then, sedation is not a standard part of it.

So you get a muscle relaxant. So even if you do regain consciousness there is nothing you can do. Wonderful.

>>126591223
actually I have to correct myself. In certain case danish organs can go to Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish and Icelandic citizens.
and since I do not want my organs to go to a Swede or a new Swede ill leave the details to my family.

>>126591411
>what if 2 guys have a car crash, you only help the one who was right? and if he has an accident while doing something dangerous, it's his fault so just die?
If you really care for my personal opinion on it, I would say yes the guy at fault would have to die if you could only save one of them. As for some guy just doing something dangerous, it would depend on the situation

>>126560604

Having lost a cousin because he couldn't get a transplant soon enough for it to matter, I'd prefer if organ donation were an opt-out instead of an opt-in.

>>126592114
No, you're still wrong. They simply use the same stuff they use for living patients as it's a matter which has to be dealt quickly with depending where you die, so they don't store special sedatives just to fuck with the dead.

Not spread scary stories. If you're brain dead, you're brain dead. There is no proven case of a person ever wakin up from it. Literally every case which has been thrown though the shock media was due to the doctors not completely checking all your signs (mostly in rural areas) and simply letting you hang in their for a couple hours.

That's a medical error. Shit happens. It's like giving your operator the wrong folder and cutting a leg off. That leg doesn't get sold to Kannibals for juicy shekels, it was simply a mistake.

Stick to the true if you want to inform people.

Will burger doctors kill me if I'm an organ donor?

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>>126584352
Duitsland

omg that sounds sooo cute

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>>126590665
>mandatory organ donation
That is the opt out donation model.
You are a donor and have to go out of your way as this thread and your crashing website proves prevented at every turn. You can pretend to be stupid all you want but everyone knows where this road of "not having your organs rot away for muh children" leads.
>advocating forced euthanazia
You said
>On the contrary I think they try to keep people alive for too long. Causing unnecessary suffering and is also very expensive for society as a whole.
>Machines keeping you alive, full of needles, pain, you can't even go to the bathroom by yourself. Also it costs so much money, which could have gone to other patients.
What you are implying is euthanazia for the good of "society as a whole". It goes without saying that you dont consider the patients will to live or that it is not your call to make.
>How is saving peoples lives with otherwise useless organs a form of exploitation?
Its murder if you kill them for their organs you moron. You think just because you redefine death from brain to circulatory death it suddenly isnt the same?
> Also they are not selling the organs for profit. Where do you even get these ridiculous claims?
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2012/11/eramus_university_to_investiga/
Right its for the greater good not profit!
>Are you by any chance also an anti-vaxxer or a climate change denier?
No but it is telling that you are trying to ridicule me and ignore every source posted disproving you over and over again.
I hope you get murdered for your organs you piece of shit.

>>126593005
>proves prevented
Proves that it is prevented

>>126563807
>I don't care about tenets of Western greatness

kys

>state imposed desecration of the dead for organ traffic


That's what atheism leads to.

>>126587077
>think about the black child

Where do you think you are, mr brain tumor?

>>126590665
>It would only take you 5 minutes of effort.

Wrong. The website is not responding to opt-out requests at the moment.

>>126560790
Don't know who organs are going to, maybe literally hitler.

>>126593368
http://www.lifenews.com/2017/02/02/doctor-cleared-after-having-family-hold-down-patient-while-she-was-euthanized/
Welcome to the Netherlands!

>>126584637

6km of blood?

> muh burger education.

>>126591007
>muscle reflexes

So you admit they are not dead, good.

>>126561462
Based opinion.

>>126592398
what if the bad driver did a stupid mistake but beside that was a really good person, always helping others out?
im not trying to stressing your logic to win an argument, im just trying to say that you cant always sum up a life with simplicistic rules

>>126594256
Target audience: soccer moms.

I support this. I also support vroeg voltooid leven which means that senior people will be allowed to ask the doctor if they can off him if he doesn't want to live anymore even though he is not psychically or mentally ill.

>>126592750

They don't have their drugs as a mix, they can give the muscle relaxant individually if they want. Which is actually advised as the default in some countries :

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2044.2000.055002105.x/full

Or they might use nothing at all :

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2000/10/25/national/why-do-some-doctors-anesthetize-brain-dead-patients/

>Not spread scary stories. If you're brain dead, you're brain dead. There is no proven case of a person ever wakin up from it.

No true Scottsman fallacy. There are proven cases of persons diagnosed as braindead waking up from it.

Steven Thorpe, Zack Dunlap etc.

>>126563807
>7 billion people
>mostly shitskins

kys

>>126594232
A chicken with a cutted of head still runs around for minutes. Does it makes the body "alive"?

>>126595287
This discussion is about people, not about animals.

>>126595287
Until the brain dies yes and reflexes are a clear sign of the brain not being dead otherwise it wouldnt send out automated responses.
Also thats false equivalent a person in coma can recover much more likely than a decapitated chicken.

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Gibs me your heart netherlands

>>126595116
>There are proven cases of persons diagnosed as braindead waking up from it.

Yes, doctors which have missdiagnosed. That's like "proving" the lock ness monster due do missinterpreting floading wood.

If your brain is dead, there is nothing which can restart it and don't get me even started on the probability of getting missdiagnosed.

I'm sure you can find enough actual reasons to not donate instead of making such bullshit up straight from some religious nutcase websites like lifescience which will write about zombie jesus on toast.

It's the NaturalNews for religious idiots.

>>126595661
Today in "i dont know what im talking about"

>>126595661
No, you can have reflexes without a brain. It's like mechanics especially if you'Re holding a dead person in "stasis" for the amount of time till the organs can get removed.

Everything else has to function or else the organs will begin to die off as well.

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>>126563649
>people

>>126590779
>BUT I WILL NOT HAVE MY ORGANS BUT IN SOME FOREIGN MONGREL!
Doesn't organs need to be compatible? Meaning you can't even donate to an arab even if you wanted to.

>>126595800
Sadly most anti donors are such retards that they don't even understand what they are talking about and simply use some new age websides "proving" their nightmares.

They really don't help.

>>126595899
Ok sure my bad its kind of the definition of a reflex but that wasnt the point I wanted to make.
The brain post decapitation isnt suddenly dead but slowly shuts down and until then is still alive.
So the the chicken is still alive together with what is left of its body i.e. the head.

>>126595690

>If your brain is dead, there is nothing which can restart it and don't get me even started on the probability of getting missdiagnosed.

I really don't want to be the exception to prove the rule with no sedation.

It's not like they actually measure net bloodflow in the brain. The diagnosis is highly subjective.

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>>126593005
>everyone knows where this road [...] leads
>Slippery slope fallacy
You still have a choice. There's almost no difference with the old system. Also the website crashing isn't some conspiracy. Websites crash all the time.
>What you are implying is euthanazia for the good of "society as a whole"
Not giving a basically terminally ill patient a 400 thousand Euro treatment so he can suffer 3 months more isn't the same thing as murder.
>http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2012/11/eramus_university_to_investiga/
Did you even read what the article said? It's about Dutch people going to foreign countries and illegally buying organs. This has nothing to do with Dutch doctors killing you and selling your organs.

Also try to be less smug. This way you'll look less foolish when you're called out on your bullshit.

>>126596745
Yes, the brain dies slowly part after part but due to reanimatnig for the organ removal your body stil can show reflexes even after dead due to stimuly (cutting for example).

Victorians made many such tests, simply sticking electrodes into dead body parts and making them move lifelike. Even whole dead bodies "breathed" and looked around due to muscel activity and those bodies have been dead to the point of rotting.

So of course mdeics will make sure to don't ruin an organ just in case and rather just pump the dead full of anasthesics.

>>126562112
Fug yeah

>>126597085
>It's not like they actually measure net bloodflow in the brain. The diagnosis is highly subjective.

They measure it with voltage(?), I'm to lazy to look it up. But if there is no such electrical activity in your brain, you're dead as without it your other organs will automatically shut down in a matter of minutes which is proven and also the next sign of actual dead, at least in germany needed to get a dead certificate.

That's why dead bodies have to get reanimated constantly to not begin to rot.

>>126583169
Underrated!

something needing to be "opt out" virtually guarantees it is unethical.

>>126560604
When a rich person needs an organ they can have one of you killed by "accident".
Same shit is happening in China where kids are kidnapped and have their eyes gouged out because they were a perfect donor on a database.

>>126597516

"However, the clear identification of an isoelectric EEG is not an easy
tool. Electromagnetic fields in the ICU can pose difficulties for artefact-
free traces and the EEG is very sensitive to sedative drugs hypothermia
and metabolic abnormalities; all these conditions can approach the iso-
electric EEG pattern, despite a still vital brainstem."

As I said, subjective.

yes goy, now your organs are also de facto state property. now work till 75 so that Muhammed can have his kidney replaced

>>126598710
That's why it' taken multiple times and checked by multiple physicians. And all accounts of missdisagnosis are due to a lack off cross checking.

>>126594256
>white kid
This is a racist misogynist white supremacist cartoon, it should be a non binary negro leader of the cuckockracy.

>>126597085
>It's not like they actually measure net bloodflow in the brain
uhm they do tho, those are all parts in the confirmation of brain death
all drugs that can fake death and temporary metabolic condition are checked, in any unclear situation further diagnostic is carried out
there are strict rules to determine brain death, it's not "yeah this one looks pretty dead to me"

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>>126597214
>There's almost no difference with the old system
Just that it is coersion.
>Websites crash all the time.
I highly doubt that so many dutch simultaniously opten out causing the server to crash. Call it a conspiracy but its not like the government didnt change it for the explicit reason of increasing donors despite them not wanting to sign up.
>giving
Oh sure I forgot you are a socialist who would rather euthanize than make people pay for their own healthcare.
>foreign
It is assumed they are foreign organs it is not fact.
>This involves patients who suddenly appear in the hospital with a new kidney and confirm that they paid a lot of money for the kidney and transplant, or refuse to say how they came by the new kidney.
Of course the doctors and caretakers interacting with these patients say they were from abroad and dont even mention the possibility of a local market.
Do you have any idea what hell would brake loose?
>Slippery slope fallacy
Right because euthanazia isnt legal in the Netherlands? Because Doctors arent aready crying for permission to harvest organs from the euthanized?
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2616383

>>126599785

They can, but it's not standard procedure. In fact, nothing much is standard procedure. It's all a fucking hodgepodge.

If they just gave me a legal contract promising to sedate me, with large penalties for violating that clause to be paid to my next of kin I'd have a lot more faith in not organ donation into a scene from I have no mouth and I must scream.

But they don't want to get into the issue of sedation, because it implies lack of certainty. A lack of certainty they don't want to expose to the sheep.

So fuck it, let the sheep listen to the propaganda. I'll use the Precautionary Principle.

>>126600756
>because it implies lack of certainty

Yeah and people like you would make it look like they harvest them for shekels on the living.
That whole organ harvesting meme is the reason why it's all so fucked up in the first place.

>>126600756
>it's not standard procedure
there are so many exeptions that the standard procedure is rarely used (at least here)
all anestetic drugs must be lowered under their working dose to confirm they arent responsible, together with many more checks (which i could list but i dont really see the point), so this could pretty much be summed up in this
"i dont trust doctors and no amount of shit you pull out will make me change my mind"
it's ok, but dont make up excuses