/LRG/ - RIGHT WING LIBERTARIAN GENERAL - MI GENERAL EDITION

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FAQ:
>Do you support open borders?
No. The government does not own the land, therefore it cannot determine the border policy. Seeing as 90% of immigration is harmful to the country, by default a vetting system is essential to protect the rights of the citizens.
>Whom'st'd'll've builds the roads?
The people who are going to use them will pay the road crews, and maintenance is provided by the toll money.
>Do you support drug use/other degenerate behaviour?
No, we strongly discourage it as it damages a society built on non-aggression. Most covenants would be built around family (to fill the void after the government is largely/completely gone), and family life is vulnerable to these socio-pathological behaviours. If degenerates want to form their own communities, they are welcome to choke on their own filth or clean up and become productive members of the society.
>Are you Jewish?
No, our Jews are better than their Jews. Few movements (apart from NatSocs, duh) have been accused of anti-Semitism as much as we have, and that's including our more moderate/mainstream figureheads, such as Ron Paul. We support Palestine over Israel (because it's their land, not because they're brown) and we strongly support cutting all foreign aid to Israel (and to pretty much everyone). The international financiers would be significantly set back by freeing the currency system and implementing an actual standard for money to prevent over-printing and inflation. Also we don't trade with our enemies, what the fuck.
>What will you do when governments take over you/reform?
Toss them out of helicopters again. Our crusade is eternal. Liberty or Death!

Also daily reminder that if it wasn't for the government, the U.S. would have remained a white country to this day, even the nogs would have been more prosperous.

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RECOMMENDED READING LIST:
ECONOMY
>The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith
>A Treatise on Political Economy by Jean-Baptiste Say
>The Law by Fréderic Bastiat
>The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich August von Hayek
>The Economics and Ethics of Private Property by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
>Man, Economy, and State by Murray Rothbard
>Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell
POLITICS
>Democracy - The God that Failed by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
>Second Treatise of Government by John Locke
>Anarchy, State and Utopia by Robert Nozick
>For a New Liberty by Murray Rothbard
>Against the State by Llewellyn Rockwell

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MEDIA:
GOOD TIER
>facebook com/MinarchyMemes - sometimes posts edgy stuff
>facebook com/LibertyHangout - adamant fighters against communism
>facebook com/theliveshowtv - The Jason Stapleton Program - right-libertarian podcast
GREAT TIER
>facebook com/HoppeanSnakeMemes - the source of the snake memes we keep posting - keep up, nerd
>youtube com/user/FreedomFighter631 - Chris Cantwell - host of the Radical Agenda
>youtube com/channel/UCRr7mGBwURyRGM2BRPV3hNQ - Augustus Sol Invictus' ramblings and other content
>youtube com/channel/UCIwnY7Ee4Kfn8g6tz9tjfzA - 1st Irregulars - former Cantwell's supporters, decided to go even further right
>1stirregulars com - 1st Irregulars' main site
>youtube com/user/stefbot - Stefan Molyneux
>youtube com/user/ThatLibertarianT - That Guy T

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VIDEOS:
>Christopher Cantwell - How I started hanging out with Nazis - youtube com/watch?v=2RdnvahTAnU
>Christopher Cantwell with Mike Enoch - youtube com/watch?v=aSz_L1WZS7w
>Christopher Cantwell with That Guy T - youtube com/watch?v=7QYL4w3V_mo
>Augustus Sol Invictus - Becoming a Reactionary - youtube com/watch?v=HPQ9yh0gWoE
>Augustus Sol Invictus - The War on Terror - youtube com/watch?v=wy2O7CPNmqI
>Hans-Hermann Hoppe - What Must Be Done - youtube com/watch?v=d_ybi1MeC3c
>1st Irregulars - 1433: National Capitalism and the Correct View - youtube com/watch?v=eVnDAa1LWpw
>That Guy T - The Case for Libertarian Fascism - youtube com/watch?v=l2-jH1vFrW8
MUSIC:
>Eric July - AnCap Rap pt.1 - youtube com/watch?v=pGuj-Z3PNg8
>Eric July - AnCap Rap pt.2 - youtube com/watch?v=zqV4RXLX1Hc
>I Need a Pinochet - youtube com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>Ain't I Right - youtube com/watch?v=XxIbq7HkalQ
>Metallica - Don't Tread On Me - youtube com/watch?v=fh-TKJTCtnw
>Dixie's Land - youtube com/watch?v=IUjLE_N1Cuc
>Yankee Doodle - youtube com/watch?v=IzRhFH5OyHo
>Battle of New Orleans (if you counter-signal Jackson I swear on me mum I'll skullfuck you - plus it's a good song so fuck you) - youtube com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0
>Mi General Augusto Pinochet - youtube com/watch?v=R9R4zPTpS9w
>Adios Mi General - youtube com/watch?v=5rsb7dT6sEM
>Rhodesians Never Die - youtube com/watch?v=r1J8F6YQjBg
>Hammer Of The Right - youtube com/watch?v=5WzAFG0Wntc
>Start Up The Rotors - youtube com/watch?v=Ptw41GUKLpc

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MEMES:
>Hoppewave - Physical Removal - youtube com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ
>Cato's Speech - Let's get Physical - youtube com/watch?v=XMqPWqOCGJU
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Let The Commies Hit The Floor - youtube com/watch?v=yy9VvAuCCEg
>Stefan Molyneux - In-Depth Analysis of Marxism - youtube com/watch?v=SGunPi4G2Ns
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Shadilay (Meme War against Agoristball) - youtube com/watch?v=8xBsJUYySNo
>Hoppean Snake Memes - Snekintosh 420 - youtube com/watch?v=JJMdttBmtsY
>That Guy T shitposting about the Alt-Right - youtube com/watch?v=77CdqY4IdgU

dumb slovak bro

links don't work

next time you try to make a general pull it all from a pastebin or something

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Like pb+j

>>126433374
Always nice to see these threads

>>126434486
socialism is degeneracy, no matter who its victims and benefactors are

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>>126434672
>Socialism is degeneracy
This is literally correct, on a world-historical scale. You should read Shafarevich's The Socialist Phenomenon

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/pol/'s thoughts on this OC?

>>126435420
I've never read that particular book, but all information I'm aware of leads me to that conclusion. from a historical, economic or philosophical standpoint, socialism always leads to the mass physical and mental destruction of people

>>126435593
Very nerdy,but I like it

>>126435593
looks excellent. Clean and informative without being biased to one side

>>126433374
I'm not really a libertarian but i see where you faggots are coming from. And i respect that,so yeah i'll gladly fight alongside you to get rid of communism,socialism and all other forms of leftist cancer. Nationalism all the way.

>>126433524
>The government does not own the land
What stops encroachment from foreign powers ?
Sounds like a good way to get Ukraine'd, and it prevents you from joining alliances like NATO as most of them require government dictated borders to allow military defense/intervention.

>The roads
Will i still be able to buy a foot-wide strip in the middle of the freeway and erect a foot-thick concrete wall, esentually rendering the rest of the road useless. Or set tolls absurdly high. Or buy the road outside of someone i hate/competitors buildings and make it non functional or economically impossible to use/

>No
Yes you are don't lie.

>Toss them out of helicopters again
That's all well and good when you have a fully functioning country all set up, but on the way there you will be extremely susceptible to being crushed by other countries. How large do you think your country would have to be before you had people willing to invest in military hardware capable of competing with any world power or organised military ?
Everyone think's they would be Rambo, but if history tells us anything it is almost always the exact opposite. At the very least a large portion of the population would not participate in the fight.
And how would you defend from things like bombing runs or if someone just wanted to glass your country ?

>>126435593

For a south african you really are good at this. In all honesty i haven't even thought of it. But i'm glad to see that my political compass resonated wtih these texts you have offered.

Alas i am but a follower,not a leader in these matter so i will have to let others judge the validity of your work.

>>126436480
nationalism would naturally arise in a system where there is no forced equality. Without a state propping up cultural Marxist institutions, people will generally want to stick to their own.

>>126436666
>Will i still be able to buy a foot-wide strip in the middle of the freeway and erect a foot-thick concrete wall, esentually rendering the rest of the road useless. Or set tolls absurdly high.
if you can convince them to sell it to you, but someone who would allow that to happen is fucking retarded and would eventually ruin their business through other means
>Or buy the road outside of someone i hate/competitors buildings and make it non functional or economically impossible to use/
once again, if you can convince someone to sell you his profitable road in order to make it non-profitable and waste your own money

>>126434159
I created the pastebin, but it keeps telling me it's spam. FUCK.

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>>126437219
put some spacing between em, also wassap slovak

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Timothy "every Statist is on my kill-list" McVeigh
Timothy "Another Clinton and I release Amarggedon" McVeigh
Timothy "Hippity Hoppity,bomb public property" McVeigh
Timothy "not owning an AR-15 should be a sin" McVeigh
Timothy "even the score using c4" mcveigh
Timothy "bomb the D.E.A. to protect your 2nd A" Mcveigh
Timothy " be a hero, nuke the bureau"
Mcveigh
Timothy "End the state with fertilizer nitrate" Mcveigh
Make 'em Pay McVeigh
The Expropriator Eliminator
Tim "See a Fed, Kill 'im Dead" McVeigh


Timothy "they're unfit to govern, so put them in the airborne oven" Mcveigh

>>126437315
>mfw you try to do at least one of those five things and you get thousands of commies and niggers rioting
Fuck my life

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>>126436164
Thanks! Although I thought some Objectivist bias might be evident - good to know it doesn't come across that way.

>>126437586
>Timothy "End the state with fertilizer nitrate" Mcveigh
"end the state with ammonium nitrate" sounds better and is more accurate

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>>126433573
This is like the 3rd AnCap reading list I encountered. Looking at it, it's probably an updated version of one them (also called AnCap Studies, but the categories were called something else and there were less books).
Pic related is the other one

>>126437754
>Although I thought some Objectivist bias might be evident
I thought so too, but I think the way it's written makes it seem like it's biased to whatever philosophy you personally put stock in

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>>126437586
top fucking kek

>>126437586
Timothy "the holy truck pf non-agression " McVeigh
Timothy "what of the building consents tho " McVeigh
Timothy "blow up the feds like your grandpa's heart on meds " McVeigh
Timothy "physically removing a federal building " McVeigh
Timothy "one man minuteman " McVeigh
Timothy "Locke's Glock is pointing your cock " McVeigh
Timothy "another Waco and DC turns into Aleppo " McVeigh
Timothy "delivering freedom since the CD-ROM " McVeigh

We should include him into /ourguys/ list

>>126437091
>if you can convince them to sell it to you
Or if i built the roads myself/funded them myself.
That seems extremely silly as it basically makes transport of goods and services dependent on not having someone like me who would charge a $500/ft toll charge on my 1 foot of highway.

>but someone who would allow that to happen is fucking retarded and would eventually ruin their business through other means
I would assume that once people realized that they could essentially buy free moneymakers for a meager investment, there would be a rather lucrative road selling business.
if any major port or entrance to your cities was gated by a single road you could essentially shut down all transport in/out of the city by forcing people to either pay ludicrous tolls or spend 5 hours in traffic taking an alternative way on single-carriageways.


>can convince someone to sell you his profitable road ...
If i can shut down a competitor by buying like 40 square ft of road circling their distribution/warehouses driveways and blocking it off or charging 1 million/ft traveled. that is a profit for me killing off a competitive business is a massive net positive.

In this situation roads are essentially power, whoever owns the rights to transport could control the city.
They could enforce selective tolls, deny specific business entrance, creating or maintain monopolies, if you own the roads you chose what goes in and what goes out, you are basically a dictator.
A single person could cripple a city for minimal financial gain (like betting against stocks then shutting down roads that lead to the company) or extort anyone who wants to get in or out of the city (entry is free, exit is $500).
Like holy shit, fuck making minimal monetary gains on a tollway when you can hold millions of people and their lives at ransom.

>>126438151
the only thing McVeigh did wrong was kill kids [spoiler]and get caught[/spoiler]

friendly bump.

BUT

>Molyneux
>great tier

He's a self-proclaimed intellectual, no better or more reliable than fucking [insert random tranny faggot vlog shitter on YT]

>>126438355
I'm sure I am two Wacos away of agreeing with everything you said.

>>126438279
toll roads would operate under a Laffer curve. If you're doing business in good faith then you'll eventually find the ideal ratio between the cost of a toll and how many people will pay it. If you're doing business in bad faith then you'll get out competed in the long run by someone else

>If i can shut down a competitor by buying like 40 square ft of road circling their distribution/warehouses driveways and blocking it off or charging 1 million/ft traveled. that is a profit for me killing off a competitive business is a massive net positive.
under this assumption it would be ludicrous for any major corporation to not own significant portions of road that was essential to their operations

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>>126438236
No doubt /ourguy/
>>126438546
I've been on and off the molymemes train for years. He best serves as ourguy.

>>126438279
> That seems extremely silly as it basically makes transport of goods and services dependent on not having someone like me who would charge a $500/ft toll charge on my 1 foot of highway.
First of all I really do hope you are trolling or just doing this as some fun thought experiment. These wacky scenarios can easily be deployed against you.

> if any major port or entrance to your cities was gated by a single road you could essentially shut down all transport in/out of the city by forcing people to either pay ludicrous tolls or spend 5 hours in traffic taking an alternative way on single-carriageways.
Can you think of a modern city today with one entrance and exit?

> If i can shut down a competitor by buying like 40 square ft of road circling their distribution/warehouses driveways and blocking it off or charging 1 million/ft traveled. that is a profit for me killing off a competitive business is a massive net positive.
Your competitor will have likely bought the land surrounding him before you.

> A single person could cripple a city for minimal financial gain (like betting against stocks then shutting down roads that lead to the company) or extort anyone who wants to get in or out of the city (entry is free, exit is $500).
People could build other roads?

> Like holy shit, fuck making minimal monetary gains on a tollway when you can hold millions of people and their lives at ransom.
I get your Australian and that our sun and school system have done wonders to your brain but come on.

>>126438808
>toll roads would operate under a Laffer curve.
You are assuming that toll way companies would run the same way they currently do while under heavy government regulation. especially when they could easily extort out much larger fees.

>you'll get out competed in the long run by someone else

The cost of road maintenance is minimal, even less when there is no government tax on it, codes requiring its upkeep. For a small investment you could essentially fuck over a large city for decades, possibly even hundreds of years if you passed it down for little more than the cost of the initial investment.

>under this assumption it would be ludicrous for any major corporation to not own significant portions of road that was essential to their operations
That is true, but then it leads to a scenario where everything is roads.
If a company has it's own road, you know they would likely have it mostly shut down for priority transport of their goods. And every competitor would need their own roads. Transport anywhere would be a clusterfuck of truly epic proportions.

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Btw I still intend on delivering, just taking my sweet ass time.

>>126439454
Nice

>>126439421
> You are assuming that toll way companies would run the same way they currently do while under heavy government regulation. especially when they could easily extort out much larger fees.
You really do not understand basic economics. Try and understand supply and demand before you embarrass yourself.

If you charge say people $9 to drive on a toll road in one direction, you hike it (in your meth addled brain) to $500. People won't drive on your road. In fact people will prop up other roads around you and undercut you (that is charge less than you). In the meanwhile your profits fall, your shareholders launch lawsuits against you, your employees demand their wages, the banks requires you make your interest repayment and so do the rest of your creditors.

> For a small investment you could essentially fuck over a large city for decades, possibly even hundreds of years if you passed it down for little more than the cost of the initial investment.
You'd probably be killed by someone

> If a company has it's own road, you know they would likely have it mostly shut down for priority transport of their goods. And every competitor would need their own roads. Transport anywhere would be a clusterfuck of truly epic proportions
Look I know you think you've made an argument but you haven't. It's premised on a very unlikely probability.

>>126439421
>For a small investment you could essentially fuck over a large city for decades, possibly even hundreds of years if you passed it down for little more than the cost of the initial investment.
until someone builds another road and then doesn't fuck people with it

>If a company has it's own road, you know they would likely have it mostly shut down for priority transport of their goods.
I think you have very little understanding of how logistics works. A company that's so large it has to shut down roads to reliably distribute its product would be better served decentralizing its operations to ensure a more efficient spread of its logistics trains
>And every competitor would need their own roads.
unless it's mutually optimal for them to use the same road
>Transport anywhere would be a clusterfuck of truly epic proportions.
clusterfucks are bad for business, a health economy would ensure the road system is as efficient as possible

>>126439179
>These wacky scenarios can easily be deployed against you.
I wouldn't be retarded enough to live in a city where transport had no regulation and was privately owned.
>Can you think of a modern city today with one entrance and exit?
Manhattan island. But realistically pretty-much every city has 2-3 "main" exits that are capable of handling traffic flow in/out of the city. It would be gridlock for miles if everyone was forced to use residential streets or non-main roads to exit a city.

>Your competitor will have likely bought the land surrounding him before you.
Ok, but that means new businesses have issues fostering if they cant afford to buy the roads around them. And how far out would they have to own them ?
They could own the road right from the warehouse to the store, but if i own that last foot they are fucked. If i own enough road that it forces them to use transport that is not economically efficient they are fucked. If i own the roads near any transport infrastructure (ports, train stations etc) they are fucked.
And when that company crumbles i could just buy their road and expand my monopoly empire.

>People could build other roads?
Sure, they could. But not instantly. building roads takes an ass-load of time. Long enough for people to get fired from not going to work or deciding they don't want to spend 5 hours diving to work because i thought it would be hilarious.
But even then, what stops someone else from doing the same on the new road ?
How many roads would you need before someone like me stopped doing this ?

>I get your Australian and that our sun and school system have done wonders to your brain but come on.
It not my fault you guys are thinking way to small time on this

>>126440146
> I wouldn't be retarded enough to live in a city where transport had no regulation and was privately owned.
Yet many countries have private roads.

> And when that company crumbles i could just buy their road and expand my monopoly empire.
No you economic illiterate that wouldn't happen. You'd be out of money. Look the only reason you're able to conjure these examples is because you've never worked and/or ran a business.

> It not my fault you guys are thinking way to small time on this
It's not my fault you're ignorant on the great body of literature and are rehashing debunked arguments

>>126439820
>You really do not understand basic economics
Mate, you think the 10/day toll that millions of people a day pay is the saturation point ?
You could easily charge 30-50 dollars and people living in outer suburbs would still pay it to avoid spending half their free time in traffic. At the moment almost all toll ways have tolls set low due to government intervention to prevent absurd prices.
And having higher profit users on roads is a net benefit, less users = less ware = less maintenance.
You could charge out the ass and still make it just as profitable.

> In the meanwhile your profits fall, your shareholders launch lawsuits against you
This is a private holding of land, fully funded by me, not owned by a corporation.

>You'd probably be killed by someone
They could try, i wouldn't want to live there with the roads being so shit.
If i had to i'd have my private security force TM protecting me as much as possible.

>It's premised on a very unlikely probability.
It's unlikely that a single person will realize they can basically fuck everyone or get really rich by employing these tactics ?

>>126440146
>buy all the roads on earth
>make them so expensive no one can use them legally
>bleed money on operating costs while everyone else saves by using your roads without paying
a truly foolproof plan

>>126440065
>until someone builds another road and then doesn't fuck people with it
Yeah good luck with that.

> A company that's so large it has to shut down roads
I didn't say shut down, i said prioritize, as in have a lane dedicated for their transport only.
For large decentralized companies the tactic would be less effective, but it would easily shut down any up-and comping competition of mid-sized companies.

> mutually optimal for them to use the same road
Its quite clearly not if i would be trying to force them out of business by charging out the ass or refusing them use of my roads.

>clusterfucks are bad for business, a health economy would ensure the road system is as efficient as possible
Aye, they are, which is why this road system that could easily be crippled doesn't sound like a great idea.

>>126441127
then I just use your roads illegally, wait until you sue me and then buy off all the judges who will then declare that the roads belong to me because of squatter's rights
checkmate kiddo

>>126440548
>Yet many countries have private roads.
With government regulations stating what they can and cant do on them.
I have a 4km private road and i have a list as long as my arm of the condition i need to keep it in for use by emergency vehicles and to avoid lawsuits.
>You'd be out of money
Yeah because maintaining monopolies has always been a massive net negative towards the companies controlling the monopolies. That's why raising barriers of entry for starting a business are completely irrelevant.
>rehashing debunked arguments
because yall have no real good answers for "what happens if rich people decide to be cunts"

>>126441383
>then I just use your roads illegally
Good thing i have my private security force (TM) armed and watching the roads to shoot intruders violating the NAP ;^)

>>126441689
nope, I paid them all off. They're double agents and they help me use your roads

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>>126433374

friendly reminder that Geolibertarinism and the Single tax can save capitalism

>>126441731
I paid inspectors to fire the guys who took bribes and inspector inspectors to fire the inspectors who took bribes and so on and so fourth. inspectors all the way up.
Gg no re, isnt ancap society wonderful

>>126441963
>I paid inspectors to fire the guys who took bribes and inspector inspectors to fire the inspectors who took bribes and so on and so fourth. inspectors all the way up.
sounds like your operating costs are pretty high, how do you make money to pay all those inspectors with no one paying your tolls?

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Geolibertarianism is the belief that each individual has an exclusive right to the fruits of his or her labor, and thus an exclusive right to the value of those fruits; and that all individuals have an equal right to land, and thus an equal right to the value of land.

By embracing this belief, geolibertarians are simply taking the core libertarian principle of self-ownership to its logical conclusion: Just as the right to oneself implies the right to the fruit of one's labor (i.e., the right to property), the right to the fruit of one's labor implies the right to labor, and the right to labor implies the right to labor -- somewhere. Hence John Locke's proviso that one has "property" in land only to the extent that there is "enough, and as good left in common for others." When there is not, land begins to have rental value. Thus, the rental value of land reflects the extent to which Locke's proviso has been violated, thereby making community-collection of rent (CCR) a just and necessary means of upholding the Lockean principle of private property. In the late 19th century, CCR became known as the "Single Tax" -- a term often used to denote Henry George's proposal to abolish all taxation save for a single tax on the value of land (irrespective of the value of improvements in or on it).

What do you guys think of Jordan Peterson?

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>>126441911
This triggers the geofag.

>>126442139
>sounds like your operating costs are pretty high, how do you make money to pay all those inspectors with no one paying your tolls?
Oh i just let them keep the bribes they find their lower employees are taking, its a completely self-sustaining economic ecosystem as long as bribes are regularly fed in.

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>not signing a contract with the network of landowners to automate the means of removal

>>126442230
Haven't seen much of him but I like listening to him trashing marxists.

>>126440768
> At the moment almost all toll ways have tolls set low due to government intervention to prevent absurd prices.
The prices are determined by the market. Read some price theory.

> And having higher profit users on roads is a net benefit, less users = less ware = less maintenance.
There's a balance to be had. Of course various toll roads could be for various people. The more affluent could pay more and have less traffic.

> You could charge out the ass and still make it just as profitable.
Further validating my point that you are an economic illiterate

> This is a private holding of land, fully funded by me, not owned by a corporation.
You would have to have loads of money to blow. Again very unlikey. What's the likelihood you'd be the only toll road providers.

>>126442486
I assume you listened to his podcast with Rogen?

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>>126442242
i could care less about the racism desu

the problem is that man is skimming unearned wealth off the backs of laborers.

Think about all the taxes the wealthy pay right now to support his tenants? Is it okay that he just collects those benefits? Does that false charity even help anyone?

nope

>>126441578
> That's why raising barriers of entry for starting a business are completely irrelevant.
Your ignorance knows the no bounds. It's an undisputed fact big corporations pass legislation to increase the overhead of competing smaller firms

>>126441963
You haven't responded to my previous points. Rather you've gone on a autistic tangent. I mean that's fine.

>>126442230
Hack

>>126442616
yeah

>>126442288
I stop bribing your guards and the inspectors start confiscating their wages thinking they're bribes. Your guards revolt and work for me since I was the one paying them anyway

>>126442242
what the fuck is wrong with England that plumbers are a low income profession?

>>126442666
squatters can go fuck themselves, you wanna live in my building you gotta pay rent.

>>126442230
Breddy gud desu. Although I really don't like his arguments for/from (((faith))) (which he calls "the transcendental) and his identification of the cause of dogmatic ideologies (such as Communism) as 'pure reason' - as if it is reason that justifies totalitarianism, and we need some kind of mystic spirit beyond reason to repudiate it. Mysticism, whether in religious or (((dialectical))) terms, is the philosophical root of dictatorship. Also, his view of life as being, fundamentally, suffering, and of love as the desire to see suffering alleviated, is completely backwards and dangerous. I think he's got a lot of interesting things to say, but I wouldn't send my kid to him for psychological treatment.

>>126433374
Who do you vote for, Slovak-kun?

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>In all seriousness, why is Right-wing Libertarianism becoming so authoritarian?

The cucks know, SHUT IT DOWN.

>>126442534
>The prices are determined by the market
Read government regulation in regards to tollways. The price tollways charge is not determined by the market, it is determined by government regulations in the various roadways acts and related documents.

>There's a balance to be had. Of course various toll roads could be for various people. The more affluent could pay more and have less traffic.
Of course there is. Thats what im saying. You could assfuck the majority of the population for shits n gigs and still make money.


>Further validating my point that you are an economic illiterate
You agree with me, they accuse me of being economically illiterate ?

>You would have to have loads of money to blow. Again very unlikely. What's the likelihood you'd be the only toll road providers.
I mean sure, people who could do this wouldn't be common, nor would they have to be the only toll road providers, but given construction speeds of roadways combined with poor city planning, more often than not districts with high amounts of industry or business have very few efficient choices for transporting goods. They either take the tollway or double their transport costs taking the longer route.

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Something that worries me about these threads is the complete lack of mention of neoclassical economic thought.

Not that people have to be neoclassical here, just that all that is mentioned is Austrianism.

(Not that people talk much about economics anyway, with the exception of Georgistfag)

>>126443561
What is the likelihood you'd have this toll road monopoly in place before anyone else built or before anyone else had built toll roads? Also how many people would possess the wealth you had? Now if you calculate the probability you get a very low number, such a number does not justify public roads which are inefficient.

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>>126443037
>I stop bribing your guards and the inspectors start confiscating their wages thinking they're bribes. Your guards revolt and work for me since I was the one paying them anyway
Well i wasn't paying them anyway because you were bribing "all of them" and most of them were fired before their first paycheck.
But thankfully due to you infinite paying of my guards i essentially had a free workforce that i was using for menial labor that eventually provided enough capital to move to a country that isn't an absolute shi-thole thanks to my road program.

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>>126443859
>strassholes want to do away with personal property

>>126442826
>Your ignorance knows the no bounds. It's an undisputed fact big corporations pass legislation to increase the overhead of competing smaller firms

Im not sure if you are autistic, pissed off, or simply missed the sarcasm there.

>You haven't responded to my previous points
You haven't made any, you have basically just said "i dont think that would happen"

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>>126443859
lol, i think you meant to post in /cg/ faggot.

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>>126443076
Of course you do. You're missing the point. Georgism is not against private property at all. In fact it is in defense of property rights against socialism. Georgism seeks to distribute what should be held in commons, not by the government, to the communities that add value to it.

Exclusive use /= ownership

read pic related

>>126443849
>What is the likelihood you'd have this toll road monopoly in place before anyone else built or before anyone else had built toll roads?
You dont need a total monopoly, you only need control over either specific sections of roadway or the so called "arterial" roads.
Or if you wanted to be a cunt,very, very small sections near important roads that make using the important roads nearly worthless.

>Also how many people would possess the wealth you had
Global wealth data bank says there's about 100k people in the us with 50m+ in net worth (easily capable of building a reasonably sized tollway). Or about 33 people per 100k population. An average city has like what 2-4 million people.
On average you would have a few hundred people with the capital and likely the motive to try something like that if it could guarantee them a monopoly, or at the very least highly dis-incentivise competition. And at worst could fuck everyone in the city to the point of making it practically non-functional because they thought it would be funny.

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Just bought 2 Hoppe books
>A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism
>Democracy: The God That Failed
Which should I read first?

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Is there a more red-pilled activity than 3D printing your own guns?

>>126445269
Democracy. It's a better smash. And you'll get a hefty dose of black-coated red-pill.

Who is your favourite senator and why is it Rand Paul?

>>126443594
Why dont neoclassicals recognize land is a unique aspect of production?

Neoclassical school was created to wipe georgism from history and sadly its basically worked

You might be one of the few people itt that would enjoy this http://masongaffney.org/publications/K1Neo-classical_Stratagem.CV.pdf

>>126445655
That's why I was thinking of reading it second. Also he wrote it second

>>126445302
Bombing federal buldings
But that happens when you reach a redpill overdose so you must be careful

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Please debunk this, I dare you.

>>126445945
Good point. I haven't read the other one so I couldn't tell, but supposedly it's his first masterpiece. Whichever one you choose, you're going to enjoy it.

>>126445108
They could be killed?

>>126446265
I don't think it can be debunked, only criticized
what level of support for socialism is aggression, and how involved does that support have to be? Is it possible to say for sure? Who decides if it's unclear?

>>126447735
yeah I had a similar thought. I don't think it can be objectively determined how involved someone must be.

>>126447650
They are rich and living in an ancap society, they would likely have a personal army, and probably not actually live in a city where they would cause this shit.
It's kinda like saying "you could kill a world leader", like yeah, you totally could, but for most people that is not a reasonable solution nor will it solve the problem if the land/road is passed down to a now pissed off heir.

Bobby billionaire in current first world countries have security teams to prevent kidnapping/ransom situations. I doubt they would care less in an ancap society.

>>126445108
How would you get a hold of these arterial roads? Again here you are deflecting my questions and then you trance around like you've won the argument.

Tre autistique

Why would anyone sell you the arterial roads? Why wouldn't there already be competing toll roads in and out of the city?

50mil? Try a few hundred million

http://www.baka.com.au/business/if-you-thought-using-a-toll-road-was-costly-try-building-one-20140810-102i5o.html

>>126447938
realistically I think you can only fully justify it in a situation like the climax of Atlas Shrugged. You'd have to exhaustively describe and prove your ideology before you go "..and anyone who disagrees gets a helicopter ride"

>>126448314
>How would you get a hold of these arterial roads?
By building them, buying them or building/buying the roads on the offramps.
Where do you think these roads come from ?
Will your ancap city just poof into existence, fully functional with all infrastructure already built ?
> Again here you are deflecting my questions and then you trance around like you've won the argument.
Im not deflecting anything, im giving you answers and your getting more and more pissed off.

>Tre autistique
Oh vey


>Why would anyone sell you the arterial roads?
The same reason government sells the roads, they either don't want to take care of them anymore, cant afford to take care of them, or you offer them enough money for them to sell it.

> Why wouldn't there already be competing toll roads in and out of the city?
First of all, there would be, as in your little ancap society, all the roads would be toll roads (as per the first response in this chain).
Every street is a toll road, every highway and dirt road a tollway.
But if you are talking roads worth taking (IE high-way style tollways) the answer is your next statement

>50mil? Try a few hundred million
First of all, it's 50m+ as in 50m-several hundred million/billion.
Im not even going to read the article, i am fully aware that road cost of current tollways range from 2-8m/km for a 4-lane tollway that requires land acquisition.
You seem to have missed the point where all roads in an ancap society are tollways. and the fact they would have to be built before the city was created, massively reducing the cost of them due to not needing to buy houses at retail prices.
A small 10/km 4-lane tollway in the country costs about 20m, within range of someone with a net value of over 50m+.
But you dont need to do even that, as all ancap roads are tollways, you could simply buy/build the roads just past the on/off-ramps of said freeway style tollways and block them off.

How is Ancapistan different than seizing the property and business you already legally own and calling in an independent state?

And what if large corporations start forming alliances to create monopolies and eventually restore the state as you see it?

The biggest caveat I see is that if you want freedom of government oppression you need the means to defend yourself and your property, that you should already be able to get, since you wouldn't have time to get those after the state is overthrown.

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WARNING: If you read these books, you can not unlearn them. There is no going back.

Anatomy of the State:

https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Anatomy%20of%20the%20State_3.pdf


Economics In One Lesson:

https://mises.org/system/tdf/Henry%20Hazlitt%20Economics%20in%20One%20Lesson.pdf?file=1&type=document

>>126453576
the biggest problem with ancapism is that it requires most people (or at least, the people representing the majority of human competence) to adhere to Objectivism or a similar philosophy that supports voluntaryism. How we get there is hard to see, but it would involve significant social upheaval

>>126438279
>implying you wouldn't get physically removed
nigger if your job is to be a nuisance I regret to inform you there's not much demand for that

>>126439454
YES
I LOVE YOU
NO HOMO

>>126433374
>im a libertarian
>i support pinochet who restricted free speech on mass with a state

RE-FUCKING-TARDED AHISTORICAL AUTISM BULLSHIT

>>126453991
>economics in one lesson

Does not exist.

>>126458146
No worries, taking breaks working on it bits at a time. Any suggestions to make it Xtra spicy?

>>126458324
Lol. Don't be a fag, perhaps Timothy "End the state with ammonium nitrate" McVeigh is more /ourgoy/ but still pino is a cool dictator.

>>126443212
Only recently reached 18, so I haven't yet. Sulík is getting more red-pilled, but I plan on starting my own party.

>>126443859
You get the airborne oven.

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>>126445663
He's aight. Totally don't have an entire folder of his facial expressions, not at all.

>>126458324
>t. gommie
A I R B O R N E

>>126458363
Hang nooses with Obama, H. Clinton, (((Soros))) and (((Feinstein))) on the landers.

>>126459544
Will do. None shall be safe on the day of the removal.

>>126459132
Respectable.

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>>126463035

I'm still open for discussion
>>126453576

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>>126453576
I think you're right, especially about defending your property. The best thing you can do if you're serious is buy land and be as self sustainable as possible.

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>>126442230
Good. Guy must be heartbroken c16 passed. People generally underestimate the power of myth and allegory - jung got it, and Peterson does a great job in explaining why many things, although objectively false (or at least unprovable) still have great value. He helps people get their heads sorted, bucko.

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>>126466823
There is often an example when you are in a large family living on a rural plot of land, when the state comes knocking at your door and demands something from you for services you didn't use (that's how my Polish ancestors went to gulag anyway).

And how self-sustainable can you be without your quality of life going through the floor?

It's all about members of Ancapistan being rational people that anything else

>>126469865
Remember that you don't have to stand alone - you can create/join a covenant of like minded individuals. You also have weapons (no restrictions), private police, and potentially PMCs at your back. But yes, being self-sufficient is always good, and I think all strands of libertarianism need a relatively high-trust population.

>>126470391
If I enter the government apparatus and start bending and twisting until it serves my needs (or just handwaving any accusations of corrpution/breaking laws) thus effectively removing myself from the oppression, will it be akin to libertarian paradise?

>>126433374
I still don't ge thow cna u be a real National-Socialist while beeing LIBERTARIAN..the 2 things ar eopposite...an ethno-nationalistic ideology based on a central governament, a national unity, a national purpose and aim vs an individualistic libertarian ideology..what is the link?

>>126471232
What makes you think there's a link mate? We are generally opposed to all forms of statism and bootlickery

>>126471232
The link is the leftist enemy, and traditional morality. We're not National Socialists.

>>126470819
Doesn't sound like it to me mate, just perpetuating the state. That's part of the problem we have - in the old days you could found a nation and try new systems. But how we get from where we are now to minarchy or no govt at all, that's the trick.

>>126470573
>nobody would sign that contract
>give me your money and nobody will get hurt
A lot of people do, just to not bear responsibility/to make life easier for them. It happened in Russian in the nineties, though it did evolve from racketeers. Literally the only people who opposed were wannabe-racketeers.

The population was introduced to free markets (knowing jack shit about them, due to them not being mentioned in commie education program), sent their only chance to get involved in economics down the toilet, education and medicare goes to shit, all the huge companies went private through shady barely legal means and generation later we still get to suck on their dicks with laws now in place to prevent taking power. Most of those company owners were dealt with by helicopter rides though.

>>126433374
Bump,found a new nickname

Timothy "Annuda shoah from Oklahoma" McVeigh

So if I'm for government completely out of business and including the federal reserve being abolished, for currencies to compete, and for government only exist to protect our freedom, protect contracts, private properties and stuff like that, what would I technically be, a constitutionalist? Minarchist?

>>126473085
Minarchist is more appropriate

>>126473627
What is minarchist. Would u say that's the closest to what I described?

>>126472931
Timothy "bringing a shoah to the Alfred p. Murrah" McVeigh
Timothy "one in the eye for the fbi" McVeigh
Timothy "getting irate with ammonium nitrate" McVeigh

>>126473740
Minarchy is having government's only responsibility be: the military to defend from threats abroad, police to protect property and people's lives, and courts so everyone is punished under the same rules. Everything else is fully privatized.

>>126473740
Minimal as fuck government,cops,army and courts are state controled to enforce and protect property rights

>>126474144
And how does the government pay for those things

>>126473740
It's minimal government with basic functions such as defence of the realm. Everything else is left to the private sector. Libertarianism (as opposed to ancap) is minarchist

>>126473772
Really nicely founded

>>126474144
>>126474245
>>126474329
Ok. I guess I am a minarchist then. Isn't that how our constitution is supposed to be? Or did congress commerce clause mess that all up

>>126474327
Like every government : with taxation
The smallest possible obiviously

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>>126474534
land value tax would be the most moral and just way to run a government

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>>126474517
Yes,but power hungry cunts fucked up

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>>126474852
Frekin bs. I'm tryna fight for freedom back

>>126474327
Taxation of some form. This is libertarian-right general, not ancap general.

Just to ask, when was welfare or some kind of social security established in the US? I feel like an anarchist for wanting to take down all entitlement programs, but hearing some of the quotes of the founding fathers it seems like it was fairly normal that there was no government welfare to stop you from starving to death. It'd require a huge shift in how the public views the purpose of government to ever take out welfare.

It seems like leftists like to take the logical leap of "we can't let people starve to death therefor universal healthcare".

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>>126475082
You know what to do

>>126475223
Although there had been local and state initiatives my understanding is it kicked of properly with the federal Emergency Relief act of 1932 (iirc).

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>>126475526

>>126434486
See >>126434672

National-(((Socialists))) should also get helicopter rides.

>>126474144
>>126474245
>>126474329

So who will be the lawmakers and leaders? And will they be elected or what? Seems to me that either a minimal democracy or monarchism are the options for minarchy.

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>>126444112
That picture sums up anfags here - desperate for the approval of NatSocs.
>w..we hate commies just like you guys!

>>126444013
>>126476214

>>126476608
The United States constitution sums it up. A representative republic

>>126474144
>>126474517

Minarchists will be thrown out of helicopters, your existance violates the NAP because you want to force me to pay for your military, police and courts, I don't consent to this.

>>126476608
You can only really achieve it with a minarchy-loving populace. Russia had Czars before the communist revolution and America had a government-limiting constitution.

I still like America's style. If there was less federal power then it'd be like 50 different competing governments that you can freely move around.

>>126477016
>implying ancaps are a hivemind
Some want an alliance with the natsocs,others don't you know

>>126469203
Ayy, great to see the hours of my shitposting have paid off.

>>126477304
How's it forced

>>126477563
taxation is theft

>>126477076
Well how's that working for you? Sure doesn't look like minarchism to me.
Once you have a central government (monopoly on lawmaking and law enforcement) you're fucked. They can raise taxes to 70% and forcibly take your property or kill you if you refuse.

>>126453576
Ancap means no monopoly on violence. Call it a state if you insist, but if there's an opportunity for someone else to provide services other than you, it's not the "state" we like to bash in these threads.

>>126477563
Dont pay taxes and you get jailed

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>>126433374
Hey guys white nationalist here just stopping by to ask what fucking accent does Augustus sol invictus have ??? Seriously I can t tell if it's some kind of weird European regional dialect or a very obscure American one any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

>>126474849
Yeah I gotta agree with Georgistan here.
If there is to be any taxation at all, let it be land.
Therefore, if minarchy is all we can hope for, let the government get its revenue from land tax.
I'd still prefer ancap, but this is somewhat acceptable.

>>126477693
>>126477829
Not all is theft. What about excise, consumption tax, taxing a lottery, non forced means of taxation? U.S gave congress the power to collect taxes

>>126477359
Agree but reality is that it became creeping totalitarianism. So how do you prevent that?

>>126477715
Well, congress kept passing laws to fuck us over, such as the 16th amendment and the federal reserve act. These can still be repealed. It's a process. I prefer law and order

>>126477912
He's a good ol' boy. But even then its a pretty obscure southern accent.

>>126476214
Whoa whoa.
We're trying to be nice to each other.
Either way - our end vision is pretty much similar.
I doubt they'd want to be slaves to the government forever, just like we've realised that with violence being complicated as it is, we could justify its use because it is for freedom.
>>126477016
On the other hand, communists are cattle and are to be treated as such. We hate them much more and on more levels than you do, don't lie to yourself.
>>126477304
Stop pretending to be an ancap. Not even the admin of Anarchyball is this retarded.

Is this where all the fucking refugees from Redbit that think Alex Jones is an intellectual hang out?
Jesus Christ ice cream flag you really are a sad little faggot, appointing yourself queen of the lolbertarians and crying about the Nazis just because we raped your grandma and took your looted shekels during the war.

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>>126478151
fuck off commie, i didn't consent to taxation, so it's theft. have you even read hoppe?

>>126477912
He's a Southerner, beyond that, I don't know.

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>>126478151
>non forced

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>>126478151
Nah, keep it to the land tax.
I understand the Geofag perspective on that one, but these ones are just the eternal government nigger's "gibsmedat" attitude.

>>126478278
What a cucked response. You sure have a lot of law and order with the amount of corruption and pavement apes rioting.

>>126478151
>What about excise, consumption tax, taxing a lottery, non forced means of taxation?
you're right,in this case it's not theft,but parasitism

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>>126478286
I have never heard a southern accent like that before it sounds I wanna say eastern European could you tell me the what region the dialect is from ? Sorry to be so pedantic about this it's really bothering me

>>126478453
And here I was thinking that German soldiers didn't rape. Maybe they should have.

>>126478156
1 year public education entirely on everything that lead to and went on in the soviet union, then a semester on economics.

So I guess creeping national socialism to combat creeping totalitarianism. Democracies only last a few hundred years anyway, we'll just repeat this cycle as necessary.

>>126478454
No. But how can we go against the constitution? It's the law of my land. United States is a minimalist federal government. How else is it funded. Do you know what a consumption tax is

>>126478767
He really doesn't sound Eastern European. I'd know.

>>126478419
>taxation doesn't violate the NAP as long as it's a libertarian taxing me
>this level of cog dis

I cringe at the fact that I was AnCap when I was 17.

>>126478664
Precisely what I am fighting.

>>126478646
Explain land tax

>>126478678
What is the most ideal form to fund the state that protects ultimate freedom?

>>126478817
Yes we know that
It's when you buy a coke for 1 € 20 but instead you pay 1€ 89 because the state said fuck you

>>126478858
His accent is so odd I'm just ball parking it here

>>126478767
I think a good part of it is him larping as george washington. I've never heard him speak casually so maybe im wrong.

>>126479025
I'm an ancap,not a minarchist dude for me there is no legitimate way to fund a goverment

>>126479238
How would an ancap city function without having walls and tolls every 2 meters?

>>126479025
Terms first:

(Economic) Land - all non-man-made items and opportunities. Free gifts of nature. Location, atoms, energy, the ability of the sky to absorb pollution, fish in the sea, minerals and oil in the ground, aquifers, the EM spectrum are all economic land. Most of this FAQ will speak of land in the colloquial "parcel" sense of the term, but most of its appearances in this FAQ can apply to all other forms.
(Economic) Rent - what one can charge another for access to economic land. This differs from colloquial rent such as renting an apartment. The rent for an apartment is actually a combination of interest on capital (the building) and rent for the location.
Land Value Tax (LVT) - a tax on the exclusive ownership of economic land based on the value of said land to those excluded, typically determined by examining economic rent. Note that the tax is not on the use of the land, just the right to exclude others.

>>126479025
Land tax explained

Geoism is a "prefix philosophy" and economic system: that is it can be applied to all kinds of societies and philosophies like geo-anarchism, geo-futurist, geo-libertarian, geo-statist, etc.

Its core tenet is that unlimited property rights in non-man-made (economic land) things are at odds with equal human rights, primarily the right of humans to use their body and actualize their ends. As such it prescribes property rights in economic land which are bounded by the equal rights of others to also have property rights in economic land - or a market value compensation in lieu.

Geoists argue that no one has a right to economic rent because economic rent is what can be charged when one exclusively owns a part of nature which is better than other alternatives. Since all such ownership is either based on conquest or a pure externality to latecomers, geoists reject it. Since economic rent is the measure of the cost to others of exclusion, it defines a market amount to be taxed.

Different types of geoists will have their own opinions on where that tax money should be spent - for instance on public works versus a per capita dividend/basic income guarantee. Different geoists will also have varied opinions on other forms of taxes, but most consider income and sales taxes to be bad.

>>126479133
Thanks I'll be on my way and stop side tracking your guys discussions

>>126479728
Can you elaborate? I'm still pretty ignorant to that I don't fully understand

>>126479528
>voluntary association of owners to live together
>walls and tolls everywhere
That would be for non-city inhabitants coming there

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>>126479886
read this after >>126479728 and >>126479804
if you think its communism

>>126478917
It's land. Not exactly the same thing.
I'd still prefer no taxation at all, though.
>>126479025
Pretty much just taxing all revenue from land and land only. It's derived from the principle that all men have a right to live on this planet. I'm still not too eager about it, but it's certainly better than income tax.
>>126479117
It's his way of speaking, the old Roman manner.

>>126480102
Well how would you protect your property if no walls? Who would own the streets? Am I free to trespass your sidewalk or there will be a toll until I get to the next land owner's toll?

>>126480125
I don't think it's communism idk what it is lol

>>126480603
Better than income tax, it just seems kinda problematic

>>126477016
natsocs are paternally-challenged mouthbreeding cattle who can't or won't carve out a life on their own, as individuals on a level playing field among other freemen like them

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>>126480687
>Am I free to trespass your sidewalk or there will be a toll until I get to the next land owner's toll?
So you have to pay a toll when you enter a grocery shop ?

>>126480603
>Pretty much just taxing all revenue from land and land only.

Technically all revenue would be from land regardless if you sell pansies or nukes, because you always have to use a property to get revenue. So how would be different from income/corporate tax?

>>126481096
Do they like Hoppe on /Liberty/ or it's "2edgy4me" for them ?

>>126481142
How about you answer my specific question rather than deflect. A grocery shop makes money. A sidewalk doesn't unless you put a toll on it.

>>126481416
No AnComs just tell you to read Hoppe to justify there bullshit.

>>126481416
some do, but from my research, /liberty/ is 80% faggots.

>>126481495
>there bullshit.

American statist education everyone.

>>126481213
That's the thing. How do they determine what's from land and what's from other factors?

>>126482354
You can't, really. That's the thing.

>>126482354
>>126482831
Thats a debate to have but shifting the paradigm from taxing the fruits of labor is the most important part

The way Alaska handles oil is a decent modern day georgist model

>>126481495
Is it because of physical removal? Because I thought Marx advocated for that as well.

>>126481432
Accessibility to the store increases profits, so business would maintain the sidewalks and roads and make them public.

>>126483956
yes, they are completely against violence, nu-ancaps and libertarians are crypto-pacifists.

>>126484396
no they are not. Just ask them how they plan on dealing with debtors. So long as the debt is justified so is the force.

>>126484649
they're a bunch of fags that get triggered by helicopter memes. They'd never collect debts.

>>126485404
even the purest of pure NAP espousing edgelords has to admit force is okay to collect justified debt or their head will explode from the dissonance

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>>126485528
Well not paying your debt is a breach of contract which technically violates the NAP so forceful response is justified

>>126433374
bump because I hate this less than the "MUH DRUMPFY SUXXING MUSLIM COCKK" threads

>>126433374
lefty here to remind you that Slovakia
is over ran by muzzies. enjoy that thought

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Sup fags, NatSoc here.
When are we going to destroy the lefties and build an empire that extends into the stars?

>>126491278
>NatSOC
>not lefty

>>126491965
Correct, we're center center-right.
Are we really going to do this every time?

>>126493212
Don't mean to flame but technically Socialism by any other name is leftist. Centre-left or far-left is still left.
Why not NatCap while we're at it?

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>>126491278
NatSocs are just socialists that hate niggers and jews, that's it. you're not interesting at all. And your barely right-wing.

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>>126491278
And NatSocs don't believe in any personal freedom, you want one leader to rule the lives of millions of people.

>>126495756
NatSocs also believe in things like National Healthcare

>>126495756
>just socialists that hate niggers and jews
No. Not only is it not Marxian Socialism which is leftist, but NatSoc desires strong family and community to build the nation with.

>>126496181
Personal freedom is good, but not to the point where it endangers the community and thus the nation. Even in a free society there are limits to what you can and can't do.
What you espouse will lead to total degeneracy and destruction, not any different than what we're experiencing now. Law and order is required.

>>126493732
If that HAS to be the case then I guess I should rephrase my original question: when are we going to destroy the communists/egalitarians?

>>126496411
Every hard working American who pays taxes should have BASIC healthcare provided for them or their families at the very least. The health of the individual and family are necessary to ensure a strong nation.
How is that bad?

>>126496883
what is with this new meme of natsocs thinking leftist=Bolshevik?

socialism is leftism no matter fucking what

>>126497025
>Every hard working American who pays taxes should have BASIC healthcare provided for them or their families at the very least
if you were really hard working you would just pay for your damn healthcare
if you were liked you'd join a covenant or fraternity to cover your healthcare
that's real community and it doesn't contradict individualism

>>126497025
How is the U.S. gubmint going to take care of 300,000,000 people? Most of the countries that have universal healthare have a much smaller population than the U.S.

>>126497025
Because it completely fucks the HealthCare system up. You should know everything the government touches turns to shit

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>>126497025
Every hard working German who pays taxes should have BASIC healthcare provided for them or their families at the least.

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>>126497025
if the government doing something actually made it more secure, available, and efficient then why do just healthcare?

>Every hard working American who pays taxes should have BASIC food provided for them or their families at the very least.
>Every hard working American who pays taxes should have BASIC cable provided for them or their families at the very least.
>Every hard working American who pays taxes should have BASIC transportation provided for them or their families at the very least.
>Every hard working American who pays taxes should have BASIC education provided for them or their families at the very least.
>Every hard working American who pays taxes should have a BASIC living wage provided for them or their families at the very least.

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>>126498151
>Every hard working Russian should have BASIC famine provided for them or their families at the very least.

>>126435420
>>126434672

This.

What could be more degenerate than the moral cannibalism & social suicide that is the philosophy of altruism, the philosophy of all for all, where no man exists in his own right but for the sacrifice of himself to others. Whether Communist or Nazi or Socialist or Statist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6q6nhQQBrs

>>126497025
>Every hard working American who pays taxes
>who pays taxes
found the problem

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>>126496883
Most libertarians are "paleo libertarians" that don't like degeneracy and promote traditionalism.
The faggots that ruin libertarianism are the left-libertarians that just want to smoke weed and leech on welfare like a lazy bitch.
Also, most NatSocs are against gun rights. Hitler disarmed his citizens like a slimy piece of shit.

>>126498397
Kek. Well at least the commies were efficient at delivering that...

>>126498568
This. I believe in traditional values. However, if someone wants defy the status? Their choice. I'm saying we shouldn't be controlled by the government.

>>126498568
Isn't the whole point of Liberty that we can be subjectively different & still enjoy a frame work of freedom? Whether left anti-racism or fuck the mozzies right, both can coexist in an objective framework where they can duke out their subjective preferences as long as they don't use the state to force one or the other?

>>126498568
>Also, most NatSocs are against gun rights. Hitler disarmed his citizens like a slimy piece of shit.
>b-but he only disarmed Jews
irrelevant. If the government can decide who a right applies to, it and the people who accept that don't believe it's a right at all

>>126498568
the idea that freedom leads to degeneracy has no basis in reality at all
>I live in a society where I have to earn my right to life either by trading, working, or being loved by someone who trades/works
>I can get free shit for doing nothing
which one is being advocated by the degenerates
which one promotes degeneracy
use your brain

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>>126499139
Yes. I didn't say I want to force traditionalism onto anyone, I just promote traditionalism and will raise my children that way.

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>>126499693
That was my point.

left-lolbertarians or social libertarians want to be lazy assholes and feed off everyone else.

>>126499693
people think that somehow we'll achieve full liberty while still having a nanny state to take care of those who can provide no reasonable standard of living for themselves. It's where the "everyone who lives in an ancap society will be a heroin-addicted dog fucker" meme comes from

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>>126500440
kek

>>126500440
that myth falls like a house of cards when you ask them this:
Would you employ a heroin addict dog fucker?
Would you keep a tenant on your property that was a heroin addict dog fucker?
Would you be a heroin addict dog fucker if it means nobody hires you and you can't find a place to live?

>>126501116
> people don't understand economic incentives

Comes from talking to a bunch of kids that have never run or helped build a small business.

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I asked this once before, but what's /LRG/'s opinion on Frank Meyer? I don't know too much about him myself, but he seems to have tried to combine libertarianism and traditionalism, which sounds bretty gud to me.

>>126501305
sounds like a cool guy but that pic makes him look like a heroin addict dog fucker

>>126501116
fucking exactly, I had an argument about this once and someone tried to tell me that there'd be heroin companies using all the heroin addicts as slaves by inventing super heroin that's addictive but not harmful. Fucking weird as hell

>>126501305
always seemed to me that traditionalism would emerge from AnCap

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>>126501497
You really have to stand in amazement at the sheer imagination people can come up with for why freedom wouldn't work, but put literally no effort into how a road could possibly exist without taxation paying private contractors to lay some bitchumen or if they ever existed beforehand.

>>126502480
Not to mention these guys hate forced integration of foreign cultures but think it's the states job to connect different people with roads and transportation
the same state that has no reason to give a fuck about your domestic culture

>>126458028
I love how ancaps eventually boil down every problem to "cant we just kill them".
And you cant remove what isn't there, how would you deal with it if i was anywhere outside of your shitty country?

>>126502480
>You really have to stand in amazement at the sheer imagination people can come up with for why freedom wouldn't work
It would be these types of people you would have to look out for in an ancap society, with fewer/no laws you could come up with some really creative and ingenious ways of making money that fuck other people or ancap society over.

Like in relation to the addicts.
>Start small drug lab
>pay addicts in drugs to work in the lab
>stat a factory/large drugs lab
>Use addicts to run the joint, pay them in drugs and provide them free board + food.
Now you basically have a workforce that you have captive due to addiction that you would be "paying" dollars a day.

Sure they can quit, but that would violate their working contract, they would be homeless and be suffering from addiction withdrawals.
Any legitimate company would struggle to compete with their cost of production.

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I have to present you the Brazilian LIbertarian Culture. It's beautiful!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNmZCSFGeco

>>126501497
Is this the guy you were talking about? >>126504097

>>126504403
Nope, but it sounds like a pretty good idea to get cheap/free labor from societies undesirables.
Extra points if they are children to extend the amount of time they can spend working before they die.

>>126504571
so Thailand right now?

>>126504786
Yeah, exactly, but since it's local the transportation costs are practically 0.
And Thailand has to use illegal immigrants, whereas this would be drafting directly from the population, making recruitment easier.
And there would be no government intervention removing my slaves if it became a point of public contention.

>>126504097
>>126504571
it only works until they all fucking die from being heroin addicts. That's what the guy I was arguing with didn't understand

A flat tax makes more sense than a progressive tax because it doesn't penalise people for doing well. If the tax you pay jumps from 20% to 40% when you hit 40,000, you're going to choose lower paying jobs, probably around the 35,000 mark, because you'll be able to take more home. I understand the concept of taxation being theft, and in many ways, I agree with it, but I think it's a necessary evil. A Libertarian society without taxation will need some form of authority to enforce contracts. That authority is going to need funding.

>>126506152
> That authority is going to need funding.
Please watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o

>>126505829
Yeah, you just dump the dead bodies in a river or something and get new homeless/addicts in.
It's not like the amount of addicts doesn't increase, and there would likely be more in a country with very lax drug laws.
It's not like you would "hire" every addict at the same time for some 3000-person mega factory, you only need a few hundred to keep a large modern factory going.

And for minimal cost you could tailor their diets to the requirements for a moderately healthy lifestyle (minus healthcare, fuck them, thats their problem).

>>126506406
> healthy lifestyle (minus healthcare, fuck them, thats their problem).
> fuck them
As opposed to putting them in govt hospitals where they can wait ages before getting the treatment they need? Good idea jackass

>>126506548
>As opposed to putting them in govt hospitals where they can wait ages before getting the treatment they need? Good idea jackass
The fuck are you on about ?
Are you trying to draw parallels between my theoretical slave labor camps and government healthcare ?

Im just saying i wouldn't pay for any form of healthcare because addicts are cheap, cheaper than healthcare.
It would be easier to get a new addict in an just toss the old ones out like used tissues. As they have no value to me beyond their labor potential.

>>126506152
> evil
> ever being necessary

Mate where is the imagination, the vision for the future to actually progress society to new grounds? Imagine if people had the same attitude 1000 years ago or 2000 years ago.

>>126506788
> It would be easier to get a new addict in an just toss the old ones out like used tissues. As they have no value to me beyond their labor potential.
You're using druggos as labourers? Yeah mate might help to get a job
Not like your average 20 year old tradie is useless enough

>>126497025
There's these Christian health sharing services that are cheaper than insurance. If you're a hard working man with strong family and community values then you can afford healthcare. By de-regulating the healthcare industry to increase competition we'd be making it even cheaper for them.

Are you NatSoc just here to turn us left?

>>126506406
you're assuming that addicts would be an infinite or even reliable resource in a world mostly made of covenant societies, and overestimating how useful the labour of a heroin addict is and underestimating the effects of prolonged use

>>126507058
>You're using druggos as labourers?
Yeah mainly because you wouldn't have to pay them any reasonable wage if you read the comment chain.

>Yeah mate might help to get a job
Is this an extension of the previous statement or an independent statement. Regardless i'm not sure what you mean by it.

>Not like your average 20 year old tradie is useless enough
Yeah but no normal person is going to sign up to my slave labor factory without modifying factors like crippling addiction and/or homelessness .

>>126507175
The entitlement was seething from that post

>>126507360
>you're assuming that addicts would be an infinite or even reliable resource in a world mostly made of covenant societies
And you are assuming they wouldn't be when drugs would be defacto legal and likely very prevalent. In countries like america right now where drugs like heroin are illegal, many, many successful people with large support networks still develop crippling addiction to opiates/pills.


>overestimating how useful the labour of a heroin addict is
Yeah, they wont be winning any awards for efficiency, but when your basically paying them like a few bucks of food and drugs a day, who really gives a shit. As long as you can maintain a steady level of production its basically fine.


>underestimating the effects of prolonged use
Im fully aware of how bad the effects of prolonged use and abuse are. You can still easily get a reasonable amount of time out of them (month/years) as long as you arent feeding them over-dose levels.

I mean, worst case i just change drugs, start feeding them speed/cocaine that are also very addictive and conductive to physical activity.

>>126506788
> drug addicts make good labourers

This is just a meme peddled by druggies themselves. "aw yeah bro if I got paid in weed I'd be the best fuckin worker aye". It's true that they can put an extreme amount of effort in for drugs, but that's only short term, they can't keep it up long term & contrary to popular belief drugs are actually bad for you, a healthy workforce is a productive workforce. Drugs cost money so you'd essentially be paying them an euqivalent wage of some kind, protentially undercut by asians still.

>>126506152
>20% to 40% when you hit 40k
What kindof populace allows such taxes?

Anyway, don't you have tax brackets? I believe in a flat tax but the American tax system is set up in such a way that you always make more money when you earn more money.

>>126458324
Look, ancap paradise can only exist through the institutionalisation of it. The creation of a statehood like structure, unchangeable and that holds a certain power in order to prevent agressions from the outside and overtakings from the inside, so communities from natsoc to commie can merge as they want between agreeing members of a group, so the social contract is literally one you sign to join a community and not an imposed one. Problem with some socialists, religiousfaggs, and the alike is they don't want to live by their rules among themselves but impose it on everyone for their good because they are so full of their own cum they think they have a monopoly on morality and know better. These people are subversive faggs ane deserve heli rides and pinochet did what's best for everyone. In my ancap system you can be a commie or whatever with people like you, you can even make a colony/community where racemixing pansexuality is mandatory for all I care, if degenerates want to join it go ahead. I just want to be left alone and free to live in an exclusively european society where faggs aren't celebrated, religious cucks are shot on sight and where I'm not asked to feel bad for dead kikes arabs or nigger children every second. I'd join the closest thing to that and if I don't like it, freedom of movement allows me to fuck off and make my own thing where people like me are welcomed. Stateism is forcing people to cope with other people they see as morons and faggs because muh greater good. Let people live by their rules and everyone is happy. All political ideologies that don't involve interventionism and world cop/savior complex fall into the ancap paradigm and those who don't deserve airbourne ovens for being retarded and on period.

>>126506406
Why heroin?

If you want a more heinous example: A company gives free meth to its employees to increase productivity, then just replaces them once they're spent after a few months.

>>126508215
Like i said in
>>126508145

Their individual level of production is irrelevant when you are essentially paying them nothing.

> healthy workforce is a productive workforce
I fully agree, but a healthy workforce requires pay, something i am not willing to provide.

>Drugs cost money
This is in an ancap society, drugs are essentially legal as is production of them.
Drugs like heroin, meth/speed are really, really cheap to make in bulk.
You could make a bit more than a kilogram of pure meth for about 5k at current retail reagent prices if it were legal.
That's like 10,000 hits, or 50 cents a hit.
You could have them completely off tap all day for less than 5 bucks.

>>126464044
Literally see nothing wrong with this.

>>126506350

That all seems good, but it doesn't address one condition. What if you can't afford services?

>>126508661
Honestly uppers fit way better for this method, i was just using heroin it as it was the original example.

>>126507859
What?