An image theists don't want you to see.

Upboated

edit: thanks for the gold kind sir !

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>>126285760
This kills the atheist

>>126285760
If that's evolving then i take it all back. Evolution is real, and niggers are gonna evolve fatter lips and tinier brains.

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>>126285760
It makes sense how smart people could have thought up evolution in the 1800s, before we understood what was going on in cells, but if you still believe in it in the 21st century you're ignorant at best or a moron.

Look at oxidative phosphorylation, the last part of the machinery that converts the food we eat into a usable form of energy, atp. These chain of machines pump protons across a membrane, creating a concentration gradient.

Like all concentration gradients it wants to go from high to low concentration, to equalise itself, and the only way to do this is by flowing throwing an enzyme called ATPsynthase. As the protons flow through this enzyme it rotates like an axel leading to ATP being formed from ADP and a phosphate.

Evilution says this whole chain just happened by random mutations, no intelligence involved.

If someone could expand the oxidative phosphorylation machinery up to human scale, and then one day you were walking in a forest and came to a clearing with this machinery. You wouldn't think 'I'm sure this can be explained by natural causes'.

You would say 'this is clearly the work of an alien civilisation, far more intelligent than we are'. But because it's actually at the nano scale (which makes it even more advanced) people are just happy to accept the evilution explanation that it's just a series of random mutations lead to this advance machinery that we could never make ourselves.

>>126285760
left is what happens when you dont water your melon enough

saged

>>126286198
>Log covered in moss

What am I supposed to be looking at here?

>>126286446

You seem informed, might I suggest you inform yourself of antibiotic resistance in pathogens. Such tiny cells split and reproduce so fast that there increased immunity to our medicines is evolution that can actually be seen, just saying.

>>126286446
Never trust anyone from luxembourg

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>>126286454
kys dumb nigger

>>126287002
t. highschool dropout

>>126287144
nee du

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>>126287120
ayy lmao

>>126286446
yeah, you're right. stuff is just way to complex to have just been by accident. someone must have designed it. and only a very complex designer could have designed such complexity. so the designer must also have been designed.

>>126287369
Dont forget someone had to design the designer who designed the designer too

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>>126286446
Mate, who the fuck is saying that this is the result of a random mutation. Its called symbiosis. And it took a long fucking time

>>126287460
He's from luxembourg. That place is full of retards

>>126286852
I wouldn't call that evolution, as micro-organisms in all instances lose a trait in order for it to gain a resistance which it already had in it's genome, yet is forced to pronounce that resistance when in controlled environments.

It's not evolution(evolution has never been observed on any scientific scale), but it more like a hillbilly tearing his door down to make a barricade against a militia; the hillbilly gains a wall to hide behind(which he already owned since it was his door), but loses the door to his hillbilly shack, thus jeopardizing his home from alternative threats.

It's not evolution in action. Just Saying.

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>>126286446
Dankjewel luxemburg. dropping knowledge like true arians

>>126286446
Thermodynamics is sufficient, you get an influx of energy and a means of storing information, the complexity of the system can be raised arbitrarily high so long as you keep supplying energy. The process isn't entirely blind either, as the systems complexity increases so too does it's intelligence as it's able to aid in the selection process, which is part of why sexual reproduction is so successful.
When you have a grasp for the interaction between themodynamics and evolution articles like these become captivating:
https://phys.org/news/2013-04-emergence-complex-behaviors-causal-entropic.html
https://www.quantamagazine.org/20140122-a-new-physics-theory-of-life/

>>126285760
Hey jew how did the universe begin?

Honest question

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>>126287120
T. Uneducated Retard

>>126287120
lol, this was disproven in the 50's but it's STILL printed in American textbooks. Absolutely retarded lol

>>126286852
Wow so what you're saying is that evolution and adaptation are the same thing?

>>126287649
So tell me mate, When i was creating bioluminescent Xanthomonas campestris pv. campestris through tri-parental mating why did i get Kanamycin resistant E.coli cells growing on my plates ?

>>126286600
Fossilized wood

>>126287754
Where are the black seeds anon?
Why are there only white seeds?

lmao rekt nigger

>>126287787
So is the stuff about nazis turning jews into soap

>>126287752
and he cannot answer, what a surprise

>>126285760
>implying evolution contradicts God

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>>126287964
that gif is literally what God cucks believe.

lmao

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>>126287120

>>126285760
Monkeymelon!

>>126285760
If evolution is real, then why does oxygen still poison us to die of "old age?"

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>>126285760

>>126287964
Now do it a trillion times

>>126285760
So, properties of organisms can be infuenced by deliberate intelligent design. Where evolution is supposed to be here?

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>>126287752

>>126285760
>comparing a melon growing in the wild with a melon made for nowadays consumers
k

>>126288134
Oxygen is a hallucinogen

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>>126288025
>>126287752


>I cant explain this

THEREFORE IT MUST BE SPACE SANTA THEN
HUEHEUHEUEHEUHEUHEUHEUH
CHICK M8 FAGTHEISTS

>>126288165
Go ahead, do it a TRILLION trillion times, retard.

>>126288310
but you are jewish, so nothing you say matters

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>>126288291

>>126288310
>you cannot explain it

>i can explain it

and somehow im the stupid one?

>>126285760
>Theist make better watermelon through selective breeding
>Theist make beautiful painting and invent photography

OP is kike faggot that needs a lingering death from an anal fistula.

>>126285760
that not evolution thats us selectively breeding things like we do grain or horses or anything else.

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>>126288359
did I say I can explain it dumdum?

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>>126285760
Don't atheists believe in the big braaaaaaaaap?
>cannot prove big bang
muh-atheism

>>126286198
is he died

>>126286446
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk1RnwbFIps

>>126288372
mate you need to first learn how evolution works

>>126288248
>>126288372
>selective breeding isn't evolution
jesus christ

>>126288165
Time has no effect on the outcome of an event with 0 probability

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>>126285760
Oh woow a Jew shilling for atheism, I've never seen that before.

>>126286446
>metabolic pathways are complex
>therefore evolution isn't real
truly nigger-tier logic

>>126285760
Hahaha this is great, particularly because it isn't about theism. It's about crossbreeding.

>>126288416
No you cant explain it


I can explain it. you cannot.

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KYS Jew devil

>>126288451
>evolution works
it doesn't

>>126288324
Already happened

>>126288372
>the natural environment doesn't select certain traits over time
really get the noggin joggin

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>>126288324
Actually what started life on earth was a mutation in one of the single cells which produced a cell with a hole.
Another cell entered the first cell and kept living. This is what we now call the Mitochondria and it's present in ALL life cells.
(yes even plants)

There is an episode on RadioLab explaining this.

Only if you trust a man with a Ph.D who dedicated his whole life to chemical biology of course..

>http://www.radiolab.org/story/cellmates/

>>126285760
>Man made evolution.jpg
>an image theists don't want you to see
You know, you just BTFO the atheists with this. It's an "evolution" but initiated by an "intelligent designer": humans. It didn't just "evolve" by itself.

Like how certain grains were once just grass/weeds, or how the swole Belgian Blue cattle were once normal cattle, or how some fruits are larger and more resilient to spoilage. They were either cultivated, bloodline-bred, or genetically-engineered.

Just like how humans were "created" and existence (via the "Big Bang" or w/e) by an intelligent designer, which could be something/someone that we can consider as a "god".

>>126288749
Yeah but what made the original single cell faggot?

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>4 billion years of random evolution made a really shitty melon

>100 years of intelligent design made something far superior

I thought the creationism meme was exaggerated but look at these anerican flag posts

>>126288805
Physics and random chance.

If it didnt happen then you wouldnt exist to question it

>>126288805
chemical compounds present at the day which derived from the elements our earth had
totally random elements, some planets cant therefore sustain the beginning of life

>>126288834
Depends on the perspective.
Humans bred a melon that is good for humans.
Before that, the melons bred other melons that were good for the melons on their own.

>>126288868
There's a lot of wacky fundamentalist Protestant sects there. We basically offloaded the religious undesirables to the US.

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>>126286198
t. Semjén

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>>126288749
>Belief and science are mutually exclusive

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>>126288834
What do you think the AI do when its invented?
It will improve our technology 1000 times better in a day.

>>126288834
Yeah try releasing a thoroughbred racehorse into the wild and see what happens.

If it doesnt break its legs on a rock or freeze to death during the winter, its heart will explode when it gets excited.

It might be better for humans, but not for the thing itself

>>126288946
Where did the elements come from?

>>126288926
If god didn't exist you wouldnt be alive to question him :^)

Takes a lot of ego to be a hardcore theist or atheist. We have to admit that we know very little about our world and even less about our galaxy, universe etc. Claiming that one thing is inherently true and something else isn't is a waste of time. We simply don't know enough.

>>126288868
Europoors have been spoon fed lies about the "fact" of evolution in schools and take it as a personal insult if someone says it's not true

Science literally shows that evolution as we know it did not and could not have taken place

>>126285760
If we evolved from monkeys, why don't monkeys give birth to humans today? Makes no sense. Never heard a good answer to this one. Atheism's story is crazier than any religion.

>>126288805
>millions of cubic metres worth of water with basic compounds suspended in it
>billions of years of heat from sunlight and geothermal activity
if you have enough time, energy and chance interactions, something interesting is bound to happen.

>>126287457
exactly.

>>126289120
I just don't like the fact that an unprovable theory is peddled as absolute truth

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>>126286454
>>126287369
>>126287754
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>>126288134
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>>126288620
>>126288654

Ever notice how the braindead retards are always Muricans?
REALLY MAKES ONE THINK


>>126289008
>>126288868

>>126289242
We didn t evolve from monkey you fucking moron. We evolved from a common ancestor who created monkey line and human line.

Fucking janez jansa cock sucker

>>126289336
doesnt know what a scientific theory is

>>126289243
where did energy come from?

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>>126288497
>>126287460

This.

>hurr i don't understand the world so i'll create a diety that made it by 'magic' instead, that makes sense to me somehow

>>126289380
Maybe they wouldn't be so retarded if you stopped putting flouride and oestrogen in their water, shlomo

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>>126289242
well there it is, the dumbest post I'll see all day.

>>126288834
ATHEISTS BTFO

>>126289427
I don't know, maybe a creator or something made all the natural laws that we have and just let it run for like a billions years

>>126289399
joj a si tolk nov al kaj :)

>>126289089
the elements came from supernovae

>>126289242
jesus christ a genius among us this is the perfect argument im christian now oh yahweh cum inside me

>>126289557
I think this is the most logical argument based on the information we have

>>126289242
Humans evolved from aliens you dumb slavnigger

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"And then my fucking grandma said it's not ok to be gay and I literally flipped my shit and slapped her...Yes, I did haha it felt really good. Then I spit on her and started screaming "hail satan" and of course she falls on the ground and starts crying, saying 'I want my baby back' or some bullshit. I told her to stop being such a fucking bigot and get with the times."

>>126289623
what created the supernova?

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>>126288952
Then how can you explain the melon bread?

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"Haha don't tell me, you still believe in a gOD? Haha wow that's honestly really pathetic. Haven't you been to reddit or watched Rick and Morty?"

>>126289067
CHEX MIX ATHEISTS

>>126289242
>If we evolved from monkeys, why don't monkeys give birth to humans today?
They do all the time in America

>>126289705
nothing "created" it. It's a process which occurs when stars burn out and become unstable, because the weight of the gas becomes too low for the gravitational pull to keep in place

>>126289808
Melons bred melon bread because the melon bread bred more melons

>>126289931
What created the gas?

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"Haha wow you're a racist? I bet you also believe in God too huh? Science says you're wrong stop denying facts you fundie."

>>126289812
>scientific consensus

Thanks commies

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>be atheist
>hate Christianity
>goes to Atheist church
Is atheism just post-modernist bullshit?

Just looking to tear down Western Civilization and replace it with nothing?

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>>126285760
>you'll never beat the shit out of a subversive kike with your legate bro

>>126286446

>this whole chain just happened by random mutations

I hate to say it but you give the awful impression of someone who has never read any of the arguments against your position ever.

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"Wow you don't donate to BLM every month? What are you doing instead, praying to your phony gOD? Literally fuck you, xtian!"

Stuck between annoying atheists who wont stop talking about it and christfags who cant into science. what do?

>>126285760
The Ayyys made everything. Fight me.

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>>126290050
Said the pagan as he stroked his peachfuzz beard, imagining himself murdering the Son of God. His Satanic mind filled with glee at the thought and his tiny phallus engorged with blood imagining his hands beating the King of kings. He clutches his official Marvel™ replica mjolnir and sucks in air as his obese body rises from his chair and he screams "HAIL THOR!!"

>>126288052
>flag
oyy veey god is not real goym trust me
only satanic rituals

>>126290059
Also, while in chart form that process is easy to follow, in truth it would look NOTHING like that, especially scaled up to a size that was visible to human eye. So no, it wouldnt be like coming across a series of machines in the forest. Maybe more like, another series of lifeforms all seperated by miles and miles of nothingness and maybe one or two randomly interacting over time. big fucking difference.

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>>126285898
Hear hear! Reddit has certainly been a problem here

>>126288416
>via 9gag

>>126290326
umm i'll have you know i have a slightly above average penis! i shave, and i'm not a pagan. i'm also not a nordicist. the bible doesnt make any and it's cucked. jesus was a fag hippy also

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>>126290514
that's shooped

>>126286446
>it's complex so it must be outer space alien magic
Thats not science

>>126285760
Soulless kike.

>>126289242
fucking retard
We didn't evolve from monkeys, we evolved from a common ancestor. There used to be a species, but that species split into multiple groups. One group over time became more human like, the other groups became more monkey like.

>>126286446
>it's complex, so it couldn't have happened randomly!
Spoken like someone who can't into math.

>>126289380
it's what you put on their food

>>126286446
"Fine tuned machine" + "personal incredulity"

>>126289049

So AI will change us like we changed the watermelon?

>>126290706
It's amazing how many atheists don't realize they are in fact kikes.

>random chance

there is no random chance. the ones who didnt get that random gene, genetic difference, advantage, died. what you see is the result of a billion other potentiate species not existing because they didnt fit the bill

its like asking "where are the humans designed to survive on the moon? why are they not on earth?"

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>>126286446
Yes, it did. There have been several types of terminal oxidases, originating in oxygen-lacking atmosphere that later evolved into various bacterial and eventually human oxygen-consuming types.
You Juncker-tier...
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005272801001694

>>126287748
I think you're just wasting your time here, as I just did.

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>>126288359
>Making up bullshit is somehow better than admitting when you don't know something until you have more evidence

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>>126289658
Where did the creator come from?

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That's a nice thread. I was beginning to think pol was all about gods and ayys these days.

Believing in a god is ok but not one of ours stupid human ones from our antropocentric religions that are so obviously illogical.

>>126287457
yeah and the designer that designed the designer who designed is a discussion for another day

>>126288134
Because there's no evolutionary reason to keep you alive after a certain point, and evolution isn't a God that just makes all your problems go away.

In fact, the flaws in lifeforms are better arguments for evolution, not against it.

>>126290035
what the fuck is an atheist church

this is the first time ive heard of this

t.atheist

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>>126289557
>>126289658
>>126292058
>>126287457
>>126287369

>>126292071
>pol

>>126288805
By the way, even if the first cell was created by a god, or the universe was created by a god, neither of those things would disprove evolution.

>>126289047
>Let's study how mountains form
>What's there to study? God did it!

>>126288017
how much would jew soap sell for on the market? and what would the scent be? freshly printed money?

>>126288088
wow the turtle looks so kawaii

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>>126292457
how much you got?

>>126288134
did you just ask "if evolution is real how come people still die?"

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>>126292107
We might all be the designers, like proper satanists.

>>126288310

You are aware that St. Nicholas was a real person correct?

>>126289988
the big bang

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>>126292234
>everything that was created must have had a cause
BUT WHAT CREATED GOD?! FUCKING FALLACY!!!! checkmate

god damn atheists

>>126292967
if i fill a cup with sea water is it still called the ocean?

>>126293155
really makes me think

>>126288165

Do you know what the definition of insanity is ?

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>>126292967

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>>126293468
>my logic is flawed but don't you dare tip my hat

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>>126289380
That's not a nice thing to say about your (((greatest ally)))

>>126293155
>australibants are this retarded

its a cup of sea water you dumbohead

the ocean is still there and all you now have is a cup filled with sea water

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>>126293468
a tip to you good sir

>>126293333
>>126293687
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>>126290754
and then one reverted evolution and now we have the niggers

>>126286446
>le god came up with this

But he couldnt came up with a cooling system that doesnt involve my balls hanging out of my body?

>I know whats a good idea, waste pipe doubling up as a reproduction organ

Yeah thank you intelligent designer

>>126288749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEmn0uaQCYc

>>126293789
i'm putting the kettle on mate, feel like an ocean of tea?

>>126293789
how so ?

all the posts in this thread by an australian are incredibly stupid

so either you are having fun trolling

or you are a massive retard

which is it ?

>>126293903
culture mate, get some up ya

>>126293155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJMwBwFj5nQ

>>126287369
By thay logix the designer is to comolex to ne designed by accident.

To assume something is to conolex to happen innour massive universe is ur mistske and why no matter how smarr and informed you think you are.. yoire nothing but a fucking idiot.

>>126292967
>Someone points out perfectly valid gap in logic
>Has no counter-argument, posts a fedora

At least explain why you think that God would be exempt from the thinking that "the universe is too complex so it must have an intelligent designer."

>>126292778
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X1EcB-2caNk

>>126293903
>how so ?
you think it's about the ocean

lmao at the cucks with their minds limited to only our known universe.
"who created the universe??/?" definitely not a guy sitting in heaven looking at what everybody does every minute of every day xD
biblical god is a metaphor, people are just too dumb to realize that.

>>126286446
Life is more complex than anything mankind could ever hope to achieve, saying it cannot possibly be made without intelligent design involved is idiotic to extreme.
If God ever did an act upon existence all he did was make survival of the fittest the law of the land and left it to its business.

>>126294105
It's not a gap in the logic.

The logic is that everything that was created must have had a cause, God was not created. So obviously it's logically concise since he does not fit into the parameters of the arguments.

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>>126286446

Evolution certainly seems to be guided by some kind of unknown force.

Evolution by natural selection and 'enough time' are not a sensible explanation when you think about how many generations it would take for some biological structures to actually become useful, before which they are a disadvantage, not to mention how much seems to be mutually reliant to be useful.

>>126294287
there are literally no other ways to interpret it unless you reach so far you can touch the sun

>>126294923
How do you know God wasn't created? Because some iron-age sheep-herders said so?

And how do you know the universe was created? We're still not sure if the Big Bang was actually the beginning of existence, or simply another stage of the universe.

>>126295004
>that pic

>>126295004
>Evolution by natural selection and 'enough time' are not a sensible explanation

It is, because thats how it happened.

>>126295200

You literally do not know that.

>>126295004
> how much seems to be mutually reliant to be useful.

survival of the fittest is a sentence usually used when talking about evolution

it is not nessesary to have someone guide it

guess why the estimated ammount of species that have gone extinct is at ~98-99% of all species ever existed ?

>>126294923
>the god is here because this old scripture with fairy tales says so
vs
>we assume there was big bang because we observed evidence that falls into our predictions of what big bang should be like and up to now nobody found proofs that would defy our hypothesis, which by the way we still aren't sure of.

>>126287946
Please be joking.

>>126287120
Cute metroids

>>126285760

>Evolution

So thats no longer a watermelon?

>>126295047
spoken like someone with a true lack of capacity

Is it just me, or is it easier to mentally reconcile a chrysalis afterlife in a timeless realm, then justifying this current existence?

>>126295004
It's completely incorrect to assume that an adaption is a disadvantage until it becomes the modern form of itself.

For the record, I think Tyson is an idiot, but this animation from his show demonstrates how adaptions like the eye develop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SXHMm5I-68

>>126290059

I regularly have this Hitch-ism swirling around my brain too.

>>126295004
Chaos depiction would be invisible since the atoms composing the leaves and branches wouldn't compose the molecules which make the orgsnic form.

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>>126292234

"There are three classes of people, those who do not search [for God] and do not find, they are neither reasonable nor happy. Those who are searching, but have not yet found, they are reasonable but not happy. And there are those who have both searched for, and found God, and they are both reasonable and happy." - Dr. Peter Kreeft

>>126295497
spoken like a true australibant shitposting

>>126287888
Because you're a faggot trying to distract from the argument at hand

You guys are retarded, yahweh was a jewish warlord, and you worship him

>>126295272

Yes he does. Bill Nye and the media told him so.

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>>126288749
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>>126292947

topkek literally FAITH
just read this shit and try not to laugh

>>126295004
>Evolution by natural selection and 'enough time' are not a sensible explanation when you think about how many generations it would take for some biological structures to actually become useful, before which they are a disadvantage

Do you know how many children there are vs amount of fertilized (human) eggs? I'd bet on ratio of 1:10000, if not worse.
Random mutations kill. Random events kill. Trees fall, hails happen. If you live past the birth, you're already luckier than most of mankind.

>>126295272
>>126296151

all the evidence in the world supports natural selection

no evidence whatsoever other then a book written by literal middle eastern "cavemen" supports creationism

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>>126295656
thanks that was amazing

>>126286446
Yeah, the whole thing is a fucking lie. Everyone knows that energy is released by MAKING A BOND NOT BREAKING A BOND.
> ATP => ADP + phosphate + energy?
> biologists are retarded

/pol/acks in a nutshell
>blame jews for everything
>worship the cult jews made thousands years ago

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>>126289242
you know that monkeys are getting smarter with every generation?

>>126286446

Any Christian who uses scientific discoveries to explain why God must exist can get fucked. It's fuckheads like you that would have had humanity thinking evil spirits and demons were explanation enough, and you imprisoned, tortured and killed those who disagreed with you and presented a threat to your Jew mind-poison... You're no better than some fucking sandnigger who claims the Koran has modern science in it because Allah put it there-- and of course that never happens until that science is discovered. Fuck you.

>>126287590

It is not completely full of retards, you are forgetting it is the burial site of Patton and part of his 3rd army.

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>>126294923
niga you are the reason people hate religion
it turns people fucking dumb autists lmao

>implying theism precludes acceptance of evolutionary theory
>implying heredity wasn't discovered by a monk and evolutionary theory wasn't discovered by a devout layperson

>>126296400

Kill yourself with fire now. Breaking atomic bonds are literally the most kinetic reactions possible on this earth.

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>>126295882
There are 2 types of people:

Those who never grew up and those who did.

>>126296374
Natural selection alone would not suffice to cause evolution to occur. Evolutionary palaeontologist Stephen Jay Gould of Harvard University once explained, “The essence of Darwinism lies in a single phrase: natural selection is the creative force of evolutionary change. No one denies that selection will play a negative role in eliminating the unfit. Darwinian theories require that it create the fit as well”.

Therein lies the problem. Evolutionists recognise today that they cannot even claim that natural selection could create the fit. Hugo de Vries long ago said, “Natural selection may explain the survival of the fittest, but it cannot explain the arrival of the fittest”

>>126295656

>it just happened to develop a light sensitive protein

Ok.

>the bacteria can immediately see

Ridiculous.

The first role of interaction with light would have to be something incredibly basic, like an existing structure in its energy production mechanism is more efficient when it absorbs UV light; something that already exists and is improved by only one mutation.

Even le black science man has completely jumped the gun.

>>126296471
Christianity and its belief that God is rational and created a universe which operates on rational laws that are understandable via observation and reasoning is why the West developed scientific method and empiricism while no other society did.

>>126296309
theories based on observation, they are most likely incorrect like for example geocentrism but it's still better than beveling that we are on a back of a space elephants and shit.

>>126289242
believing that everything on our planet started billions of years ago and has been going on since then is crazier than believing in something someone came up with (like son of so called god) 2 thousand years ago.
seems legit.

>>126295882
>That comic
Except we can explain how Johnny was "created" without an intelligent designer

Also,
>I AM SILLY

>>126296309
>hey I think I found out how it werks, I can replicate some of steps, and nobody shown me evidence that I can't include in my assumption of how it werks

>lel it's so because skydaddy did it this way

>>126295272
I do, because the evidence suggests a change over time occurs every day

>>126285760
Looks like a waste of good watermelon.

>>126296400
You are retarded. Fire is hot because of making bonds. Breaking the bonds is literally the energy required to start the fire you want me to kill myself with

>>126288195
if god is real why can i choke on food?

why does the bible say to cut off your dickskin instead of a recipe for soap to use to wash my dick with?

why is islam 100x more full retard?

why is jewism obviously the collected ravings of a thousand years of neurotic narcissistic parasites?

hindus are onto the whole kali yuga thing but so were ancient greeks, and buddhists figured out that if you don't want stuff you won't be sad when you don't get it, which is pretty obvious to anyone.

why does god have so many human characteristics? he's perfect and infallible but he gets angry, he gets jealous, he cares whether or not people worship him, he felt the need to create a universe in the first place.

pretty much every religious book is a lot about stuff the author would be familiar with, like donkeys and farming, and nothing new or groundbreaking. occasionally someone who was probably malnourished and lived in the desert has a vision or something. go to the desert and don't eat or drink for a day, you'll see shit too.

>>126296723
Obviously most of the in-between steps weren't covered in the animation for brevity purposes, but yea it would have to start with something extremely simple. So simple that its not ludicrous to assume that it happened by chance, considering that the odds are increased by the amount of times bacteria replicate and reproduce.

So, thanks for helping my argument.

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>>126297111
>if god is real why can i choke on food?
Because your pneuma rejected God and lusted after material forms so incarnated itself in imperfect flesh. You can choke and die because you deserve to choke and die.

>>126285760
> Evolution is manipulating recessive and dominant gene to make the perfect fruit
> Genes comes from the ADN
> Adn is information in biological form
> Information doesn't exist without an emitter
> God created the ADN
Check mate brah

>>126297111
>if god is real why can i choke on food?
heh entire world view b tfo

>>126297278
>God created the ADN
How do you know that?

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>>126295656

Ahh, the eye (pic related).

>>126297111
>American education

Is that why Americans always need to steal the geniuses of other Countries ?
Niicceeee

>>126288798
How the fuck do you know about belgian blue cattle lmao ?
Our neighbors barely know about it
Anyway it's far from the best beef, way too much muscle not enough fat, it lacks in taste.
> Tfw i need to pepper and salt abundantly my meat
> Tfw I coat it with butter for extra flavor
> Tfw french or irish got top tier beef

>>126292058
Another universe before ours, where different laws applies

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God doesn't exis-

>Implying /pol/ isn't theist, agnostic or atlases non fedora.
>Implying /pol/ opposes science

This is the new right, strength through science.

>Implying leftist don't shit on science when they claim all humans are the same

>>126297364
> > Information doesn't exist without an emitter
have you ever seen a message that wasn't written by anybody ?
Like the wind would carve "Beware of the jews" in the sand

>>126297566

It is unscientific to suggest the only possible origin of species is evolution by natural selection and by that alone.

>>126288749
>Jew pretending to attack religion while only attacking Christianity
Whet is new?

Besides, the most retarded shit from Christianity comes from Judaism any way

>>126297705
>comparing molecular level things with messages carved by wind

dont ask this guy anything no more

>>126297705
A human emitter? Dont other living things do this? Why are you asserting it was a god, and why do you think that statement is the bridge for your assertion to be true?

>>126297177
>denies discipline created under scientific rigour
>on machine deisgned with use of same scientific rigour

you're worse than allahcucks

>>126297278

We infer information from matter.

Information is a concept of a sentient mind, literally worthless without someone or something to reflect on the information gathered.

To say for instance DNA is "information" is like saying a molecule or an atom is information, doesn't really make much sense unless you want to be intellectually dishonest.

DNA is a substance that is configured in a certain way that lets it interact with other matter, just the same way that a molecule does although more complex. We take that configuration or properties it displays, observe and structure it and call it information, then apply that information to our reasoning. Information doesn't exist without without a mind to inform.

>>126295004
>Evolution certainly seems to be guided by some kind of unknown force.
please for 500M years the "guide" was really content with the big lizard game. Evolution is just a big casino where every fucking roll has the time to happento go from state A to state B.

>>126285760
Huh? But most theists believe in evolution. A theist discovered it in the first place.

>>126288798
So, you're saying that since hoomins can build fountains, the artesian springs can't exist on their own?

>>126293155
t. <30 IQ individual

>>126297431
>oh my, i got a jolt from nowhere
>oh my, another one
>oh my, and yet another
>oh my, it's hot here, maybe i need to go away
>oh my, now it's cold
>oh my, now the jolts are rarer
>oh my, maybe if i go where I don't get jolted, the hot won't hurt me

>>126297705
Also, the wind does provide information. It just doesnt speak english. Shit analogy either way.

>>126298338

Doubt.

Chemical systems are completely predictable and they'll form the same ratio of products every time. If you leave them long enough, they won't produce more of the energetically difficult products, let alone all become those. Some will eventually become energetic enough, and eventually enter a favourable collision to form more, but it's cancelled out by the less likely products also breaking down at the same rate. Eventually, the entire system will break apart into more simple molecules.

I don't think the encapsulation of some organic molecules can basically defy the laws of thermodynamics, indefinitely. They can't repeatedly succeed at chance, over and over again to get to a level where the systems are so complex that they are feasibly self-sustaining.

>>126297549
what is that supposed to prove

>>126287787
What was disproven? That embryos look like the pictures at different stages of development?

>>126286446
Trying to prove God is degeneracy. You are supposed to have faith.

Never seen so many Luxembourger in a thread before. What's going on?

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>>126297431
This argument has already been BTFO many times in the thread, and in every thread about evolution.

It relies on the assumption that a mutation is a disadvantage unless it works EXACTLY like it does in its modern form, which as I've shown in the video is simply not true.

Now, I would imagine we don't have all the data on exactly how each mutation worked on the protein-level, but that doesn't negate the overal theory: that each mutation that made the organism better able to survive and reproduce had SOME advantage.

Let's take the airplane example:
>In a modern Boeing 777, each part is designed for a specific purpose, and the plane would likely not function without most of them
>These parts would also not do much on their own, without being a part of the system
>Creationists often use this to argue against evolution, forgetting that airplanes have "evolved" in their on way
>From paper planes to the modern 777, each step of the design had to be improved in some way, sometimes in small adjustments and some larger
>Each useless or disadvantageous feature got phased out, and advantageous features were created or remained
>Paper airplane wings would not work on a 777, and vice versa
>But the basic structure of the paper wings was enough of an advantage that the basic shape is used in the foundation of modern designs
>In biological evolution, we replace the airplane designers with random mutations and replicating DNA
>Natural selection are the "flight tests" necessary for advantageous features to be passed on and disadvantageous features to be bred out.
>Given enough time and enough reproduction, a random-chance process like genetic mutation can create advanced structures, as long as their is a function to remove most bad or useless mutations when they crop up (See: Conway's Game of Life)
The only reason an airplane doesn't evolve on it's own is because it doesn't have a built in function to reproduce imperfectly.

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>>126292967
>>126295272
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>>126299132

>>126299011
>Chemical systems are completely predictable
lel

If I start Sn1 reaction on molecule that will yield optically active product, which one will it be? L, R?

There's reason why people babble with Chaos theory

>>126290514
STOP POSTING YOUR DUMB PHOTOSHOPPED SCREENCAP ALL OVER THIS BOARD YOU DUMB NIGGER REDDITOR

>>126297841
But it IS scientific to believe the theory with a mountain of evidence, over the "theory" which has little to none.

>>126286446
Ok, so you understand how ATP is synthesized, but you don't understand evolution. Got it.

>>126295004
>Evolution by natural selection and 'enough time' are not a sensible explanation when you think about how many generations it would take for some biological structures to actually become useful, before which they are a disadvantage, not to mention how much seems to be mutually reliant to be useful.

Well for one, not all biological structures are appearing one baby step mutation at a time. We have this thing where a whole lot of our DNA holds information to build a bunch of different structures that our body never actually makes. If you know how computer code works it's the equivalent of having a function that never gets referenced from the main loop. A random mutation can simply he adding in the reference and suddenly there's an entire organ. And random mutation in the junk DNA tends not to have any adverse effects on one's ability to survive/reproduce.

On the lower level though... minor variations can still be such game changers that even the very rudimentary base elements are key survival factors. An eyeball might take a while to develop into its current form, but a basic lump of cells that react to light are still crazy useful & you're gonna be the one gelatinous mass that knows when to get out of the sunlight.

Plus there's the concept of benign mutations that provide neither advantage or disadvatage. Those can lay groundwork for later more complex adaptations. You see shit like that today with people who are double jointed, have fissured tongues & other quirky largely useless things of that sort.

>>126295004
>useful
Usefulness is a made up concept. You do not need to label things as useful or disadvantageous.

>>126299397

You can predict the ratio of products.

>>126299487

The position as far as I can see it is: that's what it looks like, so it must be that despite all the potential obstacles we can think of, it must have just been lucky enough to happen.

>>126299732

It you're tryign to figure out the steps towards a functional eye, then 'usefulness' is certainly an objective concept.

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>>126299184
Yeh, WTF Luxembourg, pay your debts, muh international kike dollars

Have a pic of swiss melon-head

>>126292234
Then where did the infinitesimal point of matter from which the big bang originated, originate from?
Wouldn't that imply that something came from nothing?

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>>126299859
>that's what it looks like, so it must be that despite all the potential obstacles we can think of, it must have just been lucky enough to happen.
If we know how the theory overcomes these obstacles based on research and reasoning, and there isn't anther theory with more evidence, then the theory still holds.

Nothing's for certain of course, and maybe sometime in the future we'll realize that life originated some other way. But it will be base on evidence contrary to the theory, not just looking at holes in evolution and screeching that it's all a sham. And by "holes" I mean holes in complete data, not in logic.

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>>126286198
>>126286600
BRAAAAP

By the way guys, just because evolution seems improbable to you doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Unless you present an alternate theory that is MORE probable than evolution, or you can prove evolution is IMPOSSIBLE, then it is still the most probable theory to be true.

And no, an intelligent creator is not more probable than a natural process, unless you can better explain the existence of said creator.

>>126296691
>>126295282

m88

>>126299859
Heisenbergs uncertainty principle and Chaos theory say you can't.

At best you can state that for x of one product there approximately will be y of the other one.
That's not prediction, because you can't know for sure before the experiment.

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>>126287754
rekt
>>126289812
>scientific consensus

>>126289812
10/10

>>126300550

When you have such a huge sample, you basically get the expected result.

You could say 'this <very high number> to one chance could happen, but it won't.

>>126292107
>>126287457
>>126287369
>extrapolating cause and effect rules from our universe to an entity outside of our universe

good one

>>126300769
You get the approximation of the expected result.

Or you can count all the molecules in your lab tube, which means u a Supes and need to save Metro City

>>126287754

Shit fruit for shit people regardless of color.

>>126285760

Why, after seeing the post about gmo or selective breeding food yesterday, am I seeing this today?

>>126300164
it's possible that the big bang is the result of 2 universes touching
scientists believe in the multi-verse theory so it makes all the sense

>>126296748
Anon, you can't actually believe what you just wrote can you?

>>126296691
You're actually correct in this, natural selection does not create adaptations, it merely "judges" them to see what will be passed on.

Adaptations are created through reproduction and mutation. Through the millions of self-replicating organisms, some will have mutations. This is how the "fittest" is created. Then Natural Selection determines the survival of the fittest.

even if god(pbuh) isnt real (he is), why risk an eternity burning in hell just so you can jerk off to anime and call people niggers?

>>126300884

If you expect a 7:3 ratio, do it correctly, then the spectrometry shows a 7:3 ratio, then that's what will happen every time.

>>126300469
>Interplanetary deep sleep simulation of historic natural existence with a rational embryo of individual qualities and outcomes

pretty much the matrix

>>126300025
Again, that's for our interpretation.

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>>126297549
Complexity does not require a creator.

Prove me wrong, pesant faggot.

>>126285760

>Posts GMO shit to contend against God

Yeah. Really going to fool them (((you)))

why whouldn't them
we have bioethics and discuss transgenics in the first semester of biology school, and i'm not even atheits i'm catholic
what the fuck is /pol/s problem

>>126290514
If I had a loaded gun with two bullets and was in a room with Merkel, Macron, and you, I would shoot you in the dick twice and then club you to death.

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>>126285760

This was the original watermelon.

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>>126301150

>implying GMO.

Its years and years of artificial selection, you antivax hoe.

>>126300943
So then there never really was nothing, just an absence of our continuum? Where did these universes originate? Where did the very first universe originate? If it relies on the concept of infinity then how can you rule out intellegent design of some sort being a possibility when infinity implies that every possibility would occur, including a possibility resulting from an intelligent creator of sorts?.

>>126301099
something from absolute nothing. Time from ageless

>>126301039
Count the probability of there being exactly 7 tails and 3 heads in each of ten repeats of ten coin throws.

Then extrapolate it to ten tests of reactions where one mole of substrate A is turned into products B and C in ratio of 7 to 3.

Literally only main reason we can even talk about ratios in racemates or other shit is existence of negative feedback loop in form of thermodynamic laws and principles.

>>126301075

If the end goal is an eye, then things that feasibly work towards an eye are useful.

If some interim structure doesn't actually do anything for the function of an eye for a million generations before it can form part of the network supporting the function of an eye, then it is a detriment to everything prior to that stage.

>>126298046
>A chain of 4 diferent nucleoitides providing information to build piece by piece a functionning human being comprised of thousand of differents cells ins't on the same level than wind carving a message in sand
I'd say it's on a whole higer complexity level but I don't usualy talks with retards
>>126298198
Because of the complexity of the message.
Animals can transfers information but they're not based on languages as ours
We can send information in Binary code with our level of intelligence
Adn is information send with a quadrinary code based of off biological material.
It's on a whole new other level
>>126298336
Wrong. In french the science of computer is called "Informatique" because computer are machine that decode information. Computer aren't sentient.
>>126298853
It's not information. You, a sentient being, can infere that if there is wind there is a depression. Wind is a reaction not an information.
>>126299211
Do you have any example of Mutation found in nature that altered the animals in a way that did not made him unviable or unable to reproduces ?
The problem with this theory is that Eyes are a complexe organ and without any one of the aformentionned mecanism it would not be functionnal. Which means that only one of the mutation necessary to produces functionning eyes would be worthless and prove no advantage to the lifeform that possess it.
Then his offspring would need another uncessary mutation
And this shit on thousand of generation before the offspring finally has functionning eyes and a vast advantage over the rest of his species.
Let's take back your analogy. I have a car wich can only drive forward.
To develop a guiding system i would need
> A bar that connect the two front tire
> A bar that conect the previous bar and goes into the habitacle
> A steering wheels
With the end product you clearly see the advantage of moving your car to the left or right, but what is the evolutinal advantage to each of the part ?

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>>126299260
>science based on semitic death cults
>not ancient greece and the romans that copied them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvPbj9NX0zc

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How many of you are actual biologists and know what the fuck you're talking about

>>126301530

Flip a coin several trillion times and you'll get the ratio of 5 : 5 within a tiny margin of error. It will never be even 5.1 : 4.9.

>>126300157
Stop the insults or you won't get a letterbox company here!

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>>126301413
because whether there is an intelligent design involved or not, religion still makes no sense or difference to us, and just stays as a tool intended to control people.

>>126292234

>moving the goal post

if a 'god' created us, why would it even matter if that 'god' had a creator? to us it wouldn't matter, nor is a question an argument.

>>126296833

just because you have an explanation doesn't mean its true or that it invalidates another explanation. Furthermore you do not have an "explanation" for how common descent other than proof by assertion and cum hoc fallacies.

>>126301676
>>126299211
Cont.
Complexity theory tells us that the sum of the part does not equal the whole.
Even thought I spoke agains't the evolution theory in my previous post it was to stir up the debate and trigger some morons.
I'm not really decided whether one or the other theory is true because i'm not knowledgable enough to be.
But the thing I said to you is one of the main reason I don't understand how evolution could praticaly works as there is no evolutional advantage of any of the parts but there is one for the whole.

>>126301850
i'd never expect me to agree with israeli. im impressed xD

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>>126301853
>if a 'god' created us, why would it even matter if that 'god' had a creator? to us it wouldn't matter, nor is a question an argument.

if a god created us, why would it matter to you that god created us? to us it wouldn't matter, nor this is a question or an argument

>inb4 muh her carez lulz

tell that to the majority of the world who is suffering a horrible faith

>>126301850
I completely agree
I just think that infinity is an impossibility in a universe governed by entropy, and until we can extrapolate some sort of concrete idea of the beginning of our universe we can't rule out intellegent desig. whether it be god, or some extradimensional virgin that programmed our matrix.

>>126295004
Write chaos/order on both images and you'd finally be correct.

>>126299211

>making up stories
>thinks made up stories BTFO of anything

ok kid. i know you like evolution b/c you can participate in writing the fantasy novel by spinning magical yarns but really its sad you believe this.

>>126293861
That's literally efficient as fuck.