When did you grow out of Libertarianism?

>nazis like guns, so we've decided you can't have them

Good thing they'll never have any political power

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After the day of the helicopter, Libertarians are next to go.

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>>126237015
The day a house I was in caught fire and an ambulance showed up.

Really drove home the need for things like police and firefighters.

>>126237227
the nazis actually had strict gun control

what kind of libertarian doesn't defend the 2nd amendment? some jew subversion group, no doubt.

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>>126237015
After I realized Hitler was right.

Libertarians have no answer for what happens when someone takes away their rights other than saying "Taxation is theft".

Commies must be thrown from helicopters to ensure a prosperous society.

>>126237523
This

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>>126237523
https://www.lp.org/
100% subverted at this point.

>>126237015
(((libertarianism)))

>>126237424
Only for the kikes, who previously attempted a communist coup

>>126237015
Probably when I realized racism was the truth. Not in every case, I don't hate all blacks, for instance, but it is generally true.

And also the more religious I got. Becoming more religious meant I couldn't keep lying to myself. "The truth shall set you free."

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The moment I realized that a man on an island is still subject to the tyranny of mother nature.

I was probably like 19.

>>126237015
>When did you grow into gun culture?

>>126237523
Gary Johnson was shilling FOR the fucking TPP. The entire American political definition of 'libertarian' is destroyed.

I never was. It always seemed like babbys first politics

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>>126237523
Libertarianism is a prey ideology. Predatory Communists move in and rip out their throats because Libertarians have no ideological defense mechanism against subversive leftists.

About the time i realized anarchy is never preferable, especially when i realized i'd rather be in control more than anything else

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>>126237671

We will do the throwing.

>There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and removed from society.

>>126238038
this, its like the first lifeline bluepilled normies reach for when they accept both sides of mainstream politics are hopelessly corrupt.

What's with the libertarian hate lately?

>>126238322
((()))

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>>126237015
day of the helicopter rides can't come soon enough my friend

>>126238322
They're crypto-commies.

>>126238078
See >>126238215
Libertarians haven't read enough Hoppe. Especially the lp.org Libertarians; they're open boarder retards. I'd honestly rather Nazi's took power than lp.org types.

>>126237015
In what way does being a white supremacist undermine gun rights? Genuinely confused here.

I never will. I almost never see the government do anything right, fascism failed in every country it's been used in, and I'm admittedly a mentally-ill mongrel, so I would probably die

>>126238422
How exactly?

>>126237015
When AnCaps became (have always been) superior in every way.

Leftist libertarians can go fuck right off.

>>126237015
im /foreverpinochet/
i imagine i'll be hard right from here on.
oh, did you mean limp-wristed, faggy libertarianism? i was never into that shite either. went from publicly nothing/privately liberal to publicly conservative/privately put commies in work camps within a year or two.
reminder the personal liberal worldview will only cost you money, opportunity, and self worth.
reminder when you lose your self worth, you intrinsically lose a feeling of worth for anyone who isn't you.

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>>126238616
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ioq_iE4nVqI

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>>126238215

Astroturfing a larping ideology that is not viable, and has no counter plan for white genocide while threatening the actual people who do - isnt smart.

>leftists must be removed from our board
>free market kikery
>doesn't understand pinochet is authoritarian (and was a kike puppet testing out kike economics in a desirable authoritarian environment - kikes know democracy is garbage and marxists are cancer)
>blah blah Im free to do nothing about white genocide

National Socialism is about stopping cultural marxism, and white genocide. Unless you want a whole lot of unstable people to think Ancaps are as bad as marxists and need to be gassed just as much, Id suggest you stop posting the equivalent of lefty/pol/ astroturfing kike subversion.

/pol/ was always a National Socialist board. Your meme ideology has been promoted by a bunch of 16 year olds who showed up in 2015. People are dying for ours, and have for decades.

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>>126239867
>you're astroturfing a larping ideology that is not viable
>now, Nazism, on the other hand....

Any dumbass can make a twitter and post stupid memes while calling themselves a particular ideological follower.

>>126237015

When I realized it was just anarchy refined as a meme.

>>126237015
(((Libertarianism)))

>>126238322
read reactionary liberty by robert taylor

>>126237015
>anti-gun
>calls for armed uprising against the government
Hmmm......

I do like the idea of eradicating communists wherever they show themselves, but I'd rather not restrict the rights of ordinary people as Fascism historically has. Being able to walk a block without being asked for my "papers" is nice, fuck taxes, and I prefer the freedom to decide my own path in life.

>>126237015
After college I stopped calling myself Libertarian. I'm an Atheist Republican thats for first-term abortion only and think we shouldnt be in world conflicts. Libertardism is a fantasy world that we wont ever exist in, and wouldnt even be possible due to human behavior..

>>126239867
>surely socialism will work if we steal from foreigners and arbitrarily decided "undesirables" instead of everyone
lmao, every time

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When I realized that it's an idealogical dead-end.

Also, when you go full lolbertarian, you and your NAP buddies are going to be snatched up and spit-roasted by the nearest warlord who laughs at your NAP.

>>126237015
I smell fuckery in this thread. Save the infighting until after we've destroyed post-modernism.

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>>126240996

National Socialism isnt marxist socialism, your ignorance shows you are both not from here, and dont belong.

>>126238751
it's almost like they are paid a very small sum to throw it every four years.
if it wasn't a show, you'd see a libertarian candidate get ten percent nation-wide.

>>126237015
When I realized half my country are marxists.

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>>126240996
>>126241226

It also did work last time and they reduced unemployment to zero. Full employment. It was glorious before they were bombed by 4 established great powers.

>>126238215
both are retarded

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>>126241308

Pretty much this.

Helicopter rides now. You have to go back.

>>126241226
socialism is socialism regardless of who the victims and benefactors are
>>126241337
it worked last time because it literally didn't last long enough to fail

>>126241337
A large chunk of that "employment" was slave or wageslave labor.

>>126241193
>benign faction gets bitten by marxists and becomes a zombcommie
>JUST IGNORE IT GUYS

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>>126241468

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

If the US milks leafistan, by force, for its shitty tar sands, that's not socialism. It's conquest.

Always a fucking leaf. Eat fire.

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>>126240126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea2EXNku0ng

Shill. People will rise to stop white genocide and we will know exactly your type. You wont be able to hide how you think, and we will know what you are thinking without you having to say it.

>muh ancaps will rise!

Hilarious.

>Whites will stop white genocide and use ethnic nationalism to do so, executing traitors

Very likely

>that form of ethnic nationalism will also be national socialism

Very possible.

>These ethnic nationalists will view Hitler as a moderate, and you will have a bad time

Assured. Remember, 1488, anti-white genocide culture is National Socialist. Strip away the National Socialism and you just have bloody civil war, again, thats pretty much death for you.

>>126237782
is there a way to check gun laws during nazi germany?

>>126238003
TPP was a free trade deal. Free trade is a libertarian ideal is it not?

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>>126241492

>wageslave labor

Ha. Lefty/pol/ shills are so obvious. Its a raid. Hes a communist, saying socialism cant work, because he knows marxist socialism is designed to fail, was never meant to be a real ideology, and is designed to trick free people into having all their intellectuals slaughtered by kikes and turned into actual slaves.

National Socialism will stop white genocide, and every time you shill these threads, we know who you are, we know what youre doing. Large scale violence is almost assured you break out, and you will lose. You will suffer. You will be shown no mercy, as you and your kike overlords showed whites no mercy, never have, never will.

>>126241915
The TPP put the Intellectual Property under international courts.

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>>126242027
Why Are We Nationalists?

We are nationalists because we see the nation as the only way to bring all the forces of the nation together to preserve and improve our existence and the conditions under which we live.

The nation is the organic union of a people to protect its life. To be national is to affirm this union in word and deed. To be national has nothing to do with a form of government or a symbol. It is an affirmation of things, not forms. Forms can change, their content remains. If form and content agree, then the nationalist affirms both. If they conflict, the nationalist fights for the content and against the form. One may not put the symbol above the content. If that happens, the battle is on the wrong field and one’s strength is lost in formalism. The real aim of nationalism, the nation, is lost.

That is how things are today in Germany. Nationalism has turned into bourgeois patriotism and its defenders are battling windmills. One says Germany and means the monarchy. Another proclaims freedom and means Black-White-Red [the colors of the German flag]. Would our situation today be any different if we replaced the republic with a monarchy and flew the black-white-red flag? The colony would have different wallpaper, but its nature, its content, would stay the same. Indeed, things would be even worse, for a facade that conceals the facts dissipates the forces today fighting against slavery.

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>>126242087
Bourgeois patriotism is the privilege of a class. It is the real reason for its decline. When 30 million are for something and 30 million are against it, things balance out and nothing happens. That is how things are with us. We are the world’s Pariah not because we do not have the courage to resist, but rather because out entire national energy is wasted in eternal and unproductive squabbling between the right and the left. Our way only goes downward, and today one can already predict when we will fall into the abyss.

Nationalism is more wide-reaching than internationalism. It sees things as they are. Only he who respects himself can respect others. If as a German nationalist I affirm Germany, how can I hold it against a French nationalist who affirms France? Only when these affirmations conflict in vital ways will there be a power-political struggle. Internationalism cannot undo this reality. Its attempts at proof fail completely. And even when the facts seem to have some validity, nature, blood, the will to life, and the struggle for existence on this hard earth prove the falsity of fine theories.

The sin of bourgeois patriotism was to confound a certain economic form with the national. It connected two things that are entirely different. Forms of the economy, however firm they may seem, are changeable. The national is eternal. If I mix the eternal and the temporal, the eternal will necessarily collapse when the temporal collapses. This was the real cause for the collapse of liberal society. It was rooted not in the eternal, but in the temporal, and when the temporal declined it took the eternal down with it. Today it is only an excuse for a system that brings growing economic misery. That is the only reason why international Jewry organizes the battle of the proletarian forces against both powers, the economy and the nation, and defeat them.

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>>126238215
nice try newfag

>>126241337
>zero unemployment
and you believe that lol

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I was never a libertarian.

>>126241687
wow that's a really compelling argument

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>>126242133
From this understanding, the young nationalism draws its absolute demand. The faith in the nation is a matter for everyone, never a group, a class or an economic clique. The eternal must be distinguished from the temporal. Maintaining a rotten economic system has nothing to do with nationalism, which is an affirmation of the Fatherland. I can love Germany and hate capitalism. Not only can I, I must. Only the annihilation of a system of exploitation carries with it the core of the rebirth of our people.

We are nationalists because as Germans, we love Germany. Because we love Germany, we want to preserve it and fight against those who would destroy it. If a Communist shouts “Down with nationalism!”, he means the hypocritical bourgeois patriotism that sees the economy only as a system of slavery. If we make clear to the man of the left that nationalism and capitalism, that is the affirmation of the Fatherland and the misuse of its resources, have nothing to do with each other, indeed that they go together like fire and water, then even as a socialist he will come to affirm the nation, which he will want to conquer.

That is our real task as National Socialists. We were the first to recognize the connections, and the first to begin the struggle. Because we are socialists we have felt the deepest blessings of the nation, and because we are nationalists we want to promote socialist justice in a new Germany.

A young fatherland will rise when the socialist front is firm.

Socialism will become reality when the Fatherland is free.

>>126242027
>s-shill
Paranoid retard.

"Wageslave" explicitly refers to being paid jack-shit while being overworked. No thanks, I don't like 80 hour weeks at 3/hr.

>>126237015
>When did you grow out of Libertarianism?

never, just retards who live by labels for some reason thing a coopted collection of politicians change what an idea is.

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>>126242137

Its just a fact. They had full employment by like 1936. Read a book.

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

>>126241915
they wouldn't be for it assuming they actually read the thing

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>>126242296
The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation.

>>126242135
>bootlicking

>>126237424
They expanded gun rights for germans while at the same time banned guns from the hands of the jews
just look up the volkstrum literally civilians given military issued automatic weapons to fight the allies

>>126241574
Which benign faction you talkin' about. NatSocs want thier ideas heard and libertarians believe in rights and freedoms. We know people are actively trying to divide and conquer the opposition to this neo-marxist bullshit.

I would love to be rid of anyone calling themselves a socialist, but the only faction that will be standing in the end is the one with the institutional power behind it, which, right now, is post-modernist ideologies.

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>>126242366
The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.

Socialism is possible only in a state that is united domestically and free internationally. The bourgeoisie and Marxism are responsible for failing to reach both goals, domestic unity and international freedom. No matter how national and social these two forces present themselves, they are the sworn enemies of a socialist national state.

We must therefore break both groups politically. The lines of German socialism are sharp, and our path is clear.

We are against the political bourgeoisie, and for genuine nationalism!

We are against Marxism, but for true socialism!

We are for the first German national state of a socialist nature!

We are for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party!

>>126242378
fuck off leftypol you fucking retards

>>126241734
dude, that song...

>>126237015
When I realized hormones and emotions dictated all my actions.

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>>126242443
Why a Workers’ Party?

Work is not mankind’s curse, but his blessing. A man becomes a man through labor. It elevates him, makes him great and aware, raises him above all other creatures. It is in the deepest sense creative, productive, and culture-producing. Without labor, no food. Without food, no life.

The idea that the dirtier one’s hands get, the more degrading the work, is a Jewish, not a German, idea. As in every other area, the German first asks how, then what. It is less a question of the position I fill, and more a question of how well I do the duty that God has given me.

We call ourselves a workers’ party because we want to rescue the word work from its current definition and give it back its original meaning. Anyone who creates value is a creator, that is, a worker. We refuse to distinguish kinds of work. Our only standard is whether the work serves the whole, or at least does not harm it, or if it is harmful. Work is service. If it works against the general welfare, then it is treason against the fatherland.

Marxist nonsense claimed to free labor, yet it degraded the work of its members and saw it as a curse and disgrace. It can hardly be our goal to abolish labor, but rather to give new meaning and content. The worker in a capitalist state — and that is his deepest misfortune — is no longer a living human being, a creator, a maker.

>>126237015
>(((undermines)))
blatant as fuck

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>>126242221

Leaf admits being a commiefag.

Reddit. You have to go back.

>>126240920
you think you're smarter than you are. common, really. still reprehensible.

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>>126242519
He has become a machine. A number, a cog in the machine without sense or understanding. He is alienated from what he produces. Labor is for him only a way to survive, not a path to higher blessings, not a joy, not something in which to take pride, or satisfaction, or encouragement, or a way to build character.

We are a workers’ party because we see in the coming battle between finance and labor the beginning and the end of the structure of the twentieth century. We are on the side of labor and against finance. Money is the measuring rod of liberalism, work and accomplishment that of the socialist state. The liberal asks: What are you? The socialist asks: Who are you? Worlds lie between.

We do not want to make everyone the same. Nor do we want levels in the population, high and low, above and below. The aristocracy of the coming state will be determined not by possessions or money, but only on the quality of one’s accomplishments. One earns merit through service. Men are distinguished by the results of their labor. That is the sure sign of the character and value of a person. The value of labor under socialism will be determined by its value to the state, to the whole community. Labor means creating value, not haggling over things. The soldier is a worker when he bears the sword to protect the national economy. The statesman also is a worker when he gives the nation a form and a will that help it to produce what it needs for life and freedom.

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>>126237015
When I started reading.

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>>126242596
A furrowed brow is as much a sign of labor as a powerful fist. A white collar worker should not be ashamed to claim with pride that of which the manual laborer boasts: labor. The relations between these two groups determine their mutual fate. Neither can survive without the other, for both are members of an organism that they must together maintain if they are to defend and expand their right to exist.

We call ourselves a workers’ party because we want to free labor from the chains of capitalism and Marxism. In battling for Germany’s future, we freely admit to it, and accept the odium from the liberal bourgeoisie that results. We know that we will succeed in bringing new blessings out of their curses.

God gave the nations territory to grow grain. The seed becomes grain and the grain becomes bread. The middleman of it all is labor.

He who despises labor but accepts its benefits is a hypocrite.

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>>126242646
That is the deepest meaning of our movement: it gives things back their original significance, unconcerned that today they may be in danger of sinking into the swamp of a collapsing worldview.

He who creates value works, and is a worker. A movement that wants to free labor is a workers’ party.

Therefore we National Socialists call ourselves a worker’s party.

When our victorious flags fly before us, we sing:

“We are the army of the swastika,
Raise high the red flags!
We want to clear the way to freedom
For German Labor!”

>>126242526
So not wanting to be treated like garbage with no exit other than death automatically makes you a commie? Alright.

Holy shit, you're actually retarded.

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>>126242698
Why Do We Oppose the Jews?

We oppose the Jews because we are defending the freedom of the German people. The Jew is the cause and beneficiary of our slavery He has misused the social misery of the broad masses to deepen the dreadful split between the right and left of our people, to divide Germany into two halves thereby concealing the true reason for the loss of the Great War and falsifying the nature of the revolution.

The Jew has no interest in solving the German question. He cannot have such an interest. He depends on it remaining unsolved. If the German people formed a united community and won back its freedom, there would be no place any longer for the Jew. His hand is strongest when a people lives in domestic and international slavery, not when it is free, industrious, self-aware and determined. The Jew caused our problems, and lives from them.

That is why we oppose the Jew as nationalists and as socialists. He has ruined our race, corrupted our morals, hollowed out our customs and broken our strength. We owe it to him that we today are the Pariah of the world. He was the leper among as long as we were German. When we forgot our German nature, he triumphed over us and our future.

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>>126242646
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>>126242296
Canadian that I actually like

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>>126242698
The Jew is the plastic demon of decomposition. Where he finds filth and decay, he surfaces and begins his butcher’s work among the nations. He hides behind a mask and presents himself as a friend to his victims, and before they know it he has broken their neck.

The Jew is uncreative. He produces nothing, he only haggles with products. With rags, clothing, pictures, jewels, grain, stocks, cures, peoples and states. He has somehow stolen everything he deals in. When he attacks a state he is a revolutionary. As soon as he holds power, he preaches peace and order so that he can devour his conquests in comfort.

What does anti-Semitism have to do with socialism? I would put the question this way: What does the Jew have to do with socialism? Socialism has to do with labor. When did one ever see him working instead of plundering, stealing and living from the sweat of others? As socialists we are opponents of the Jews because we see in the Hebrews the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods.

What does anti-Semitism have to do with nationalism? I would put the question this way: What does the Jew have to do with nationalism? Nationalism has to do with blood and race. The Jew is the enemy and destroyer of the purity of blood, the conscious destroyer of our race. As nationalists we oppose the Jews because we see the Hebrews as the eternal enemy of our national honor and of our national freedom.

>>126241734
>that video
>that song
fucking kino

>>126238412
While I will admit some libertarians are more redpilled then others they are not redpilled
The true redpill is that freedom is a lie and that the "enlightenment" is when society started it's downwards path

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>>126242805
But the Jew, after all, is also a human being. Certainly, none of us doubts that. We only doubt that he is a decent human being. He does not get along with us. He lives by other laws than we do. The fact that he is a human being is not sufficient reason for us to allow him to subject us in inhumane ways. He may be a human being — but what kind of a human being is he! If someone slaps your mother in the face, do you say: “Thank you! He is after all a human being!” That is not a human being, it is a monster. Yet how much worse has the Jew done to our mother Germany, and is still doing today!

There are also white Jews. True, there are scoundrels among us, even though they are Germans, who act in immoral ways against their own racial and blood comrades. But why do we call them white Jews? You use the term to describe something inferior and contemptible. Just as we do. Why do you ask us why we oppose the Jews when you without knowing it are one too?

Anti-Semitism is not Christian. That means that it is Christian to allow the Jews to go on as they are, stripping the skin from our bodies and mocking us. To be a Christian means to love one’s neighbor as oneself! My neighbor is my racial and blood brother. If I love him, I have to hate his enemies. He who thinks German must despise the Jews. The one requires the other.

>>126242609
Classic liberalism is basically freedom, you know?

It's hard for it to destroy anything, and works great in a homogeneous society.

Not so great when others don't play ball.

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>>126242879
Christ himself saw that love did not always work. When he found the moneychangers in the temple, he did not say: “Children, love one another!” He took up a whip and drove them out.

We oppose the Jews because we affirm the German people. The Jew is our greatest misfortune.

It is not true that we eat Jews for breakfast.

It is true that slowly but surely, he is stealing all that we have.

Things would be different if we behaved as Germans.

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>>126237015
When I realized that you need a decently robust welfare safety net in order to maintain sufficient political support for very free markets.

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>>126242936
Revolutionary Demands

We do not enter parliament to use parliamentary methods. We know that the fate of peoples is determined by personalities, never by parliamentary majorities. The essence of parliamentary democracy is the majority, which destroys personal responsibility and glorifies the masses. A few dozen rogues and crooks run things behind the scenes. Aristocracy depends on accomplishment, the rule of the most able, and the subordination of the less capable to the will of the leadership. Any form of government — no matter how democratic or aristocratic it may outwardly appear — rests on compulsion. The difference is only whether the compulsion is a blessing or a curse for the community.

What we demand is new, decisive, and radical, revolutionary in the truest sense of the word. That has nothing to do with rioting and barricades. It may be that that happens here or there. But it is not an inherent part of the process. Revolutions are spiritual acts. They appear first in people, then in politics and the economy. New people form new structures. The transformation we want is first of all spiritual; that will necessarily change the way things are.

This revolutionary act is beginning to be visible in us. The result is a new type of person visible to the knowing eye: the National Socialist. Consistent with his spiritual attitude, the National Socialist makes uncompromising demands in politics. There is no if and when for him, only an either — or.

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>>126242991
He demands:

The return of German honor. Without honor, one has no right to life. A nation that has pawned its honor has pawned its bread. Honor is the foundation of any people’s community. Losing our honor is the true cause of the loss of our freedom.

In place of a slave colony, we want a restored German national state. The state is not an end in itself for us, but rather a means to an end. The true end is the race, the sum of all the living, creative forces of the people. The structure that today calls itself the German republic is not a way to maintain our racial inheritance. It has become an end in itself with no real connection to the people and their needs. We want to abolish the slave colony and replace it with a people’s state in freedom.

Want work and bread for every productive national and blood comrade. Pay should be according to accomplishment. That means more pay for German workers! That will stop the senseless fighting in which we engage today.

First provide housing and food for the people, then pay reparations! No democrat, no republican, has the right to complain about this demand, for it was first raised by a banner carrier of November Germany [the Weimar Republic, beginning in November 1918]. We only want to make the slogan a reality.

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>>126243095
Provide essentials first! First we must meet the critical needs of the people, then we can produce luxury goods. Provide work for those willing to work! Give the farmers land! The German foreign policy that today sells what we have at below-market rates must be completely transformed and must focus radically on the German need for space, drawing the necessary power-political conclusions.

Peace among productive workers! Each should do his duty for the good of the whole community. The state then has the responsibility of protecting the individual, guaranteeing him the fruits of his labor. The people’s community must not be a mere phrase, but a revolutionary achievement following from the radical carrying out of the basic life needs of the working class.

A ruthless battle against corruption! A war against exploitation, freedom for the workers! The elimination of all economic-capitalist influences on national policy.

A solution to the Jewish question! We call for the systematic elimination of foreign racial elements from public life in every area. There must be a sanitary separation between Germans and non-Germans on racial grounds exclusively, not on nationality or even religious belief.

>>126242596
wow, that sounds nice.

but how did those horrible snakes like goebbels come into power while brave men like ernst rohm got stabbed in the back?

no, i dont buy the meritocratic message here.

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>>126242706

If you want higher wages, increase your skills, Maple Nigger.

He who does more is worth more.

>>126237015
Libertarianism falls over when the average voter's intelligence, ability and skepticism falls below a certain level. You don't want a society of absolute idiots owning guns

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>>126243156
Down with democratic parliamentarianism! Establish a parliament based on occupations which determines production. Policies will be determined by a political body that earns is place by the laws of strength and selection.

The return of loyalty and faith in economic life. The complete reversal of the injustice that has robbed millions of Germans of their possessions.

The right of personality before that of the mob. Germans always will have preference before foreigners and Jews.

A battle against the destructive poison of international Jewish culture! A strengthening of German forces and German customs. The elimination of corrupt Semitic principles and racial decay.

The death penalty for crimes against the people! The gallows for profiteers and usurers!

An uncompromising program implemented by men who will implement it passionately. No slogans, only living energy.

That is what we demand!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0olc3qJjLM

>>126242983
America had no social safety net and prospered greatly for 200 years before a welfare system was installed.

the fuck is this garbage?
>implying you can't be a nationalist libertarian

>>126241492
the german economy was in ruins before that, would you prefer to starve to death? he did a great job, better than the urss and the cnt fai, your communist paradise don't exist

>>126243265
>crimes against the people
and who gets do decide what that is?
the people?

no, its the state of course!
we need the state to baby us and tell us what to say and think.

Anarchy and communism is no solution, but this is almost as bad.

imagine the state dictating what is and isn't ok regarding media.
4chan would be blocked, that's for sure

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Libertarianism/Anarchsim is literally the 2nd fastest vector for degeneracy after Cucktural Marxism.

>>126238445
Am I the only libertarian who wants a permanently closed boarder? I can't see how anyone who supports freedom and democracy can support importing voters of government choice.

>>126237015
Never caught it in the first place, I wasn't one of the dumb kids.

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>>126243174

Rohm was killed because he repeatedly openly pushed for a "second revolution". He would regularly insult Hitler to his face, making jokes about his former military rank, saying he shouldnt have to take orders from such a lowly ranked person etc etc. He thought it was marxist socialism. Him and Strasser thought things like private property shouldnt exist, they are not National Socialists. Strasser had to flee Europe, and his brother was shot in his cell on the order of extremely based Heydrich, who also ordered him to be left to bleed out for over an hour, not to be immediately finished.

Piece of shit, who may as well be you, spent that hour on the floor thinking about how his life was a total failure and the real National Socialists would get their way.

He was also a faggot. But the main point was he was obviously pushing for a revolt. Hitler gave him far too much time, he could have actually attempted it he was given so much time and leeway. Hitler felt he was part of the original group, so should be given more slack. Everyone else wanted the rat gone.

Youre a scumbag. You dont care about white genocide, you just want free shit. You will suffer, or whites will be exterminated. Communism is white genocide, none of your bullshit ideologies do anything but increase their destruction, and there will never be a peaceful vote to stop it. Violence is assured.

>>126243224
An authoritarian order does not permit you to change your job and pays no attention if you "increase your skills".

In the current capitalist society, my employer pays me more for doing more work and better work, he sees the value in my work and treats me accordingly. In an authoritarian society, the state does not care. You will practically shit out those shells for the war, and there's a bullet waiting for you if you complain about work conditions.

The state is a pathological monster in the hands of the left or the right (But especially the left). All socialists, from the marxists to the fake "nationalists", must be annihilated.

>>126243611
>would you like a really shitty life, or a really shitty life?
I prefer a capitalist economy that actually works and treats it's people like human beings. See, oh, I don't know, the fucking United States and the rest of the western allies.

>your communist paradise don't exist
I AM NOT A FUCKING COMMUNIST. Holy fuck this is talking to a brick wall at this point.

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>>126243383
Some people prospered, others were very poor or enslaved. And the markets were anything but free--tons of monopolies, pollution, etc. To have a *modern* free market economy, we need to give the poors something so that they'll vote for good technocratic free market economic policies. The libertarian critique of government regulation is good, but it doesn't have to be paired with unconcern with social welfare.

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>>126243811

Yeah. Ron Paul was the last viable option LibertarianBro.

Now it's Libpotarian.

The NAP is almost as suicidal as importing literal truckloads of fucking shitskins.

>>126243868
>He thought it was marxist socialism.
fukken wut?

he was fighting the reds before hitler was relevant.

They went off the fucking rails.

When I finally accepted that we wanted liberty, but they couldn't have it

>>126237015
around 25

Skimmed the article briefly. It seems the author is very pro-gun ownership and thinks everyone should own one. The distinction the author makes is that he sees conservatives as viewing gun ownership as something cultural and not as a civil rights protector. And that the conservative gun culture has tied owning guns with being white. You may agree or disagree with this but the author is not suggesting gun control.

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>>126243708

Those who would give their lives for their people. Those who do not think in terms of themselves. Nationalism is the only way, National Socialists prosper. Marxists starve in bread lines.

This is a shill Im engaging with btw. He ignores all the discussion of white genocide and is here to astroturf communist viewpoints. He wants whites to disappear, or doesn't think they ever can. He will probably eventually take up a rifle and fire at you from across the field. Treat him with that in mind, before it actually happens. Theres plenty of him in every country. Marxist, communist, feminist, lgbt, anti-gun, anarchist, antifa, whatever they call themselves.. pro immigrant, pro jew, pro whatever. They are all the same, the enemy.

>>126243811
no, Hoppean libertarianism is pretty firmly against open borders and universal sufferage. Don't listen to the D&C national (((socialists))) who want to make it seem unworkable

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>>126243891
>>would you like a really shitty life, or a really shitty life?

haha so life was shit under the nazi regime? are you retarded? do you have anything to back that up or are just assuming like a retarded?

>>126237015

Shoulder firing a punt gun? Are they crazy?

>>126238215
I disagree, they will simply be left to starve. Those who manage to support themselves can be called out as hypocritical.

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>>126244074

Pathetic, you people will always lose short of brute forcing with 50 proxies. No one falls for your bullshit except the odd reddit simpleton, and they do your movement more harm in the end than good. I hope you recruit 50 reddit retard commies and they start postering about how having white kids is promoting racism.

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>>126243891

You can't have it both ways, Leafbro.

Earlier, you're a "wageslave", now you're a "hardworking capitalist."

*blocks path*

Which is it Maple Nigger?

Are you a wage slave or a valuable employee?

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This is a raid thread, youve been warned.

>>126243868
>all those implications?

where did you get that i was a communist? i hate communism.
point is, i hate ultra authoritarian governments.

if the individual isn't free, then the people isn't free.

state censorship makes a conflict of interest.
the government will use their control of the media to control its people.

>>126242418

giving your population guns in times of war has nothing to do with expanding gun ownership rights bros.

Its the equivalent of saying that the right to murder in times of war is expanded because XYZ said so.

>>126243477

Only sensible post ITT. Read Hoppe or stop calling yourselves redpilled you fucks

>>126241161
full lolberg means letting superior whites prove it yet again. what don't you understand?

>>126242935
no it does. we build walls or colonise in retaliation.

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>>126237015
Apparently, just now

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>libertarianism doesn't wo-

>>126243751
>not living in an ever-growing traditionalist community within the ultimate libertarian state
>not realizing you can break free of everything but taxes
>buying into the urban centers of industry meme
you're not wrong in your thought, but you're wrong in your imagination

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>>126244748

The German people were free. The only thing they weren't free to do was be a leech, or a faggot, mentally ill tranny, to go around raping, to be a communist subvert and undermine society, etc, etc, etc. The only people who might come up against a wall in terms of freedom are criminals and scumbags.

You dont want to work? Fine, get the fuck out. Its not like you cant leave, either.

>>126237015
When I realized that libertarians are invariably retarded.

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>>126245149

There is some merit to this...

>>126244748

like any service it owns. We could say the same with the justice system.

As the State is the only arbiter that exists within the borders, it has an incentive to use the courts and any other service it owns to it's advantage when it is targeted or fails.

We need other forms of law giving institutions. We have inherited a system of organisation that cannot work in a high IQ society.

Force and authoritarianism requires a gullible populace or constant expansion for cheap labour.

We need walls and property rights.

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When I realized a moderate state is a cancer. If we're not running an Empire, I will take Anarchism.

>>126237015

when donald trump was elected president of the united states for the next 8 years

Reminder that Libertarianism began as a form of anarcho-Communism and was only brought to the "Right" by Rothbard via anarcho-Capitalism.

Classical liberalism is good. Libertarianism is garbage.

>>126243751

Communities based on alternative lifestyles, not centered on family values and private property, are doomed to fail.

>>126245796
>You dont want to work? Fine, get the fuck out.

again with the strawman.
I'm a maritime electronics service tech of 6 years.
going to school now to move up a little.
i like having a career.

>>126245796
>leech, or a faggot, mentally ill tranny, to go around raping, to be a communist subvert and undermine society
and again, who decides who those individuals are?
the state.
the state can just pick and choose who to label what, and kill them.

the state will remove anyone criticizing it, rightful or not.
the system will degrade and go corrupt in a matter of months because there is no effective accountability.

"och nein greta! ze dethskwadron vill komst to our haus if you zay dat."
no freedom of speech, no freedom period.

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>>126245755

Libertarianism is great...

...until your low-life scumfuck neighborfags decide to cut their dicks off because, muh liberty.

>moves away from body-dysmorphic transfreak neighbor for being degenerate scum
>neighbor files complaint with NAP advisory board
>not accepting his liberty to disfigure himself is a violation of NAP and un-libertarian
>penalized for violating NAP
>libertarianism starting to look like Cultural Marxism rebranded
>Libertyville Bad Boy Points
>no tendies

>>126246775
>faggots cut their dicks off
>they don't breed and their genes die out
>?????
>profit

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>>126246391

Disagree. Look at modernity. Look at the toxic culture of the West. Degeneracy is virtue.

>>126237015
>>126237523
>>126238003
>be American
>have a country founded on liberalism
>communists appropriate liberalism
>invent libertarianism which is basically just another word for liberalism
>communists appropriate that as well
This is hilarious. Stupid burgers.

>>126237628
This.

>>126246775
>>not accepting his liberty to disfigure himself is a violation of NAP and un-libertarian
are you retarded or just memeing? Serious question

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Libertarians are leftists. Go to /k/. Ask them in the event of a race war whose side they'll fight on.

>>126247705
yeah.
i dont think the nap covers microaggressions

>>126247705
He's both.

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>>126247705

Yes.

If libertarians would ditch the NAP, they might be viable.

If you can't see libertarianism as a dead end I can't help you.

It's a political "solution" to a spiritual/cultural problem.

>>126238322
r/thedonald got shut down

>>126237015
I don't believe any one ideology is entirely correct and anything taken to it's extreme will be horrible. A lot of my beliefs are informed by libertarianism while accepting that a purely libertarian society would not work at all. Politics, as with anything, are all about balance. That being said, there are certain ideologies that are better than others and some that are almost entirely awful and should not be implemented, communism in any flavor being the biggest that I can think of. So to answer your question, I guess I never grew out of it so much as grew to accept the realities of life and temper my beliefs with as many viewpoints as possible.

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>has children
>neighbor installs gigantic buttsex statue in front yard on his private property
>literal faggot statue in plain view of children
>can't sell my property because no one wants to move their family across the street from buttsex monument guy
>whelp, it's his property, so put your deal with it glasses on

Muh NAP

>>126237015
Pretty recently, won't lie

>>126248919
>>neighbor installs gigantic buttsex statue in front yard on his private property

your fault for moving in next to some other /pol/akk

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>>126237015

When libertarians stopped saying "Don't tread on me", and started parroting "NAP! NAP!" Marxists have been treading on America, Americans and the Constitution for decades. Libertarians were suppose to fight back and start sniping commies. Instead all they did was start blathering on about their "NAP" and turned into cowardly pacifist anarchists. Sad.

>>126250090
this
the problem is libertarians thinking the non-aggression principle is the non-violence principle

>>126242452
>>126242862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GW6sLrK40k
If you wanted the song.

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>>126237015
why would a site run by jews have any credibility? they dont think people believe or listen to them anymore do they?

>>126238412
^this
you poly tryhards need to realize that jews hijacked the libertarian movement and party ages ago.

>>126237015
I actually went back to libertarianism when I realized Neetsocs are a bunch of larping faggots.

>>126251093
thanks man.

>>126237015
>Libertarianism.org

About as libertarian as Johsnons Vp who voted for hillary. What a joke

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>>126247316
This. I get really confused discussing these terms because when people say 'liberalism', I think of free markets, property rights, the rights of the individual, Adam Smith, John Locke, etc. Then I have to remember that in America, liberalism means exactly the opposite of what it used to mean

>>126237399
Not for fatty virgins.

>>126237015
I don't know, never been one.

>>126252407
Thats cause the leftist in America started calling themselves progressives in the 1890s to 1920s
When Americans started to wizen up and associate progs with bad government policies they redefined themselves as liberals. Nowadays both terms are anathema. What brits call liberal Americans know as classical liberal.

>>126251748
This.

The Nazi economic miracle is a myth. Nazi economics relied on conquest and seizing resources of other countries. It was a short-term solution. Hjalmar Schacht even told Hitler he needed to introduce free-market reforms because the inflation as long as defaulting on debt was going to fuck them over soon. Hitler being the dumbfuck he was fired him.

NatSocs are fucking stupid beyond belief. Their ideology belongs in the trashbin along with Marxism.

>>126237399

>Private fire departments aren't a thing
>Neither are private police departments

You're fucking retarded.

>>126237015
That's oddly anti-libertarian for a libertarian page to post.

>>126242935
Humans don't need nor want freedom.

>>126242418
>>126237227
>>126237424
>>126237782
>>126242418

Wrong, we had the gun laws from the third reich til 1972 or something just without the discriminatory parts (jews, gypsies, registered communists were not allowed to own guns) .

That meant you could buy long guns except machine guns at the age of 18 and the ammuniton without license, registration or background check.

Village bakeries would sell ammo til the early 70s and a father could send his 12 year old son to buy ammo alongside the fresh bread.

For carrying pistols you needed a permit though, owning not.

>>126252765
Do enough people know what classical liberalism is in America for them to understand when I say I'm a classical liberal? Or would they think I mean 'liberal' as the leftie-appropriated version? Idk what to call myself. I considered rejecting labels because of this and just describing my beliefs instead but labels can be helpful for succinctly expressing them quickly

>>126241886
Guns became totally legal in 1930's Germany except limitations on handguns and obviously Jews could not own guns

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>>126237015
I'm not so much concerned with labels. I just want the rights to freedom of speech, gun ownership, the ability to start and run my own business, secure borders, and most of all I want the fucking kikes and commies out of US politics. Whether is this is accomplished by free helicopter rides or gas chambers, it matters little. I just want them out. They keep fucking everything up.

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This is a real problem to me.

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Libertarians and Fascists are brothers, who work hand-in-hand to create a better tomorrow

>>126238215
perfect

>>126254576
>People will suddenly become friendly and peaceful once it's every man for himself
And people will suddenly become friendly and peaceful when they have the power of the state at their disposal? When they have a monopoly on just violence?

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>>126237523
The Libertarian has been high jacked by Liberal socialist Styx warns us about this.

>>126254248
the worst part is that there are real criticisms of libertarianism/ancapism but everyone goes for the completely insane low-hanging fruit

>how will I know that getting addicted to heroin and fucking dogs is bad if the government doesn't tell me?
>what if a rich person does something bad that rich people already do now, but it's magically worse and harder to stop because there isn't a state?

>>126237015
So these white supremacists are advocating on behalf of everyone, including law biding minorities, to own firearms???
I wonder if some of these people even listen to themselves talk.