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Why are young white males checking out of society?

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Why are young white males checking out of society?
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>>126214807
Technology has advanced to the point where leaving the house is no longer a net benefit.
Sometimes I regret going out, but I never regret staying in.
Wait until the artificial wombs, it's only just begun.
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>>126214807
Nothing in it for us.
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>>126214807
Blackpill
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>>126214807
Why the fuck participate in a society you have no hope for? I have no chance of ever owning a house, raising a family, or even having a guaranteed job, let alone the ability to live comfortably like my parents and grandparents did for much of their lives, even if I work just as hard if not moreso.
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>>126214807
We're taking a break before forming the legion
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>>126214807
What society? We're all individuals, man.
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>>126214807
All males are.
And why wouldn't they? Noting in it for them.
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>>126214807
It keeps pushing against ...it keeps pushing...
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>>126214807
Everyone is a nigger or gay
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>>126215558
Or gay niggers
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You think we're checking out
Really just farming millions of aryans , Hitler is still alive and we will fucking destroy you leaf cucks
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Because society is shitty. If hetero monogamy were the absolute norm, if Jews did not put houses under usury, if we were taught to love our people instead of hate them, then we would participate in society more.
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It's not fun playing against society when it's so heavily against you, I tried fighting it but it's just too much
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>>126214807
Because society has given up on us.

If anything im just waiting for a literal HAPPENING at this point.

like war.
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>>126214807
>tv
>beer
>junkfood

Pussies, I just slammed a couple points of fentanyl into my veins. If you're gunna checkout, do it right
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>>126215663
Hmm. You sound crazy thinking a man born in 1889 is still physically alive but aryan colonies sound like a good idea.
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>>126214807
Mostly because of small penis size and low sex appeal caused by too much vidya and shitposting.
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porno has made chasing real pussy less important
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Because of secularization and other degeneracy have made it impossible for most men to date.
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>>126215558
or a kike.
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because YEAH WHAT OH MAN GOD DAMN!!! DEXTER
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>>126215817
You do know anyone's dick can look big when paired vs a little 4'9 woman right ? Show a picture other then porn you cuck
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>>126214807
kinda /r9k/ but anyway...

have you heard of John B. Calhoun "Mouse experiments"? It kinda reflects our society today and what you asked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun#Mouse_experiments

>In July 1968 four pairs of mice were introduced into the habitat.
>There was no shortage of food or water or nesting material. There were no predators. The only adversity was the limit on space.
>Initially, the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days.
>The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly, doubling only every 145 days.
>This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior.
>Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, increase in homosexual behavior, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against.
>After day 600, the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction.
>During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting.
>They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males.

>They were dubbed "the beautiful ones." Breeding never resumed and behavior patterns were permanently changed.
>The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviors, ultimately resulting in the demise of the population.
>Calhoun saw the fate of the population of mice as a metaphor for the potential fate of man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM
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>>126215906
Nobody's fault you're an ugly-ass motherfucker.
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>>126214807
Why work for a compromised system?
The (((cuckoo)))bird has already laid eggs
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>>126214807


...really?
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i was misinforrmed about what attributes are required to have any modicum of success in life, then proceeded to squander the few opportunities i did have, now, out of spite, i'm telling the world to fuck off

TENDIES NOWWWWWWWWWWWW
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Because society doesn't cater to them anymore, why prop up a system that works towards your detriment?
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>>126214807
Everyday same fucking thread.
You should check out of this planet leaf.
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Rejection. Jobs, school, women. The works
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Society checked out first MAN. The only reason anyone on earth is alive right now is because glorious (mostly English) men invented technology like engines and factories and because of that we have bread and radiators and pens and all that good shit.

We would be dead otherwise, as right at this moment we actually have completely collapsed on a human level. Men made a safety net before all this happened and yet we're being blamed for not doing enough.
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>>126215733

This guy gets it.

Hard opiates are the only way to go.
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Places only hire women.
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>>126216462
B A S E D
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>>126216036
I'm sorry, but I don't really collect other pictures. Also, objectively a big black cock is big. You don't need to make comparison to tiny women to know it's big. I can tell from your defensiveness that you know it's big too -- perhaps bigger than you can get your head around, or even your anus.
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>>126216058
lmao at your stupid conspiracy theories and animal experiments. Nobody is checking out of society, most men are employed, it's just /pol/ are NEETs and think they're remotely representative of the modern man.
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I 50% blame it on lack of guidance from my parents (being allowed from child to play games all day every day isn't the most skill enhancing upbringing), 25% on lack of guidance from society (lax school system) and 25% on personal laziness.
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>>126214807

Is that a fucking spoon in a bowl of barbeque chips?
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>>126217084
The best way to do it man
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Organized testosterone drops.

Winning boosts test and makes the winner more competitive. Also once they win they improve.

Whereas losers drop test. It makes them quite. A holdover from the fighting days when losing could mean death or injury.

The system is designed to harm men and force them to lose. And so they quite.

Video games have the same problem where small groups of skilled men dominate destroying the gaming ecosystem and leading to collapse.
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>>126214807
there is little to gain by sticking around.
Or rather many believe that there chances of advancing in society and getting enough goods and capital to justify the work are just too long.
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>>126217084
poor ya beer over them and eat your "cereal"
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>>126214807
Their (((liberal arts))) teacher taught them that being lazy makes you a victim.
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>>126215538
The ONLY racial group that is seeing decreasing suicide rates is blacks (black males, to be specific)
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>>126214807
Feminism. The cancer that's rotting our society.

http://www.returnofkings.com/83983/its-becoming-easy-for-single-men-to-drop-out-and-live-on-minimum-wage
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>>126214807
This same thread with the same image and say wording keeps getting posted over and over again. Hmm really makes you think.
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>>126214807
Why would anyone want to spend their life with some insipid, selfie taking basic bitch virtue signaling narcissist?
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>>126214807
Demoralization. Lack of non-degenerate frontiers. Rigged system too obvious.
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>>126214807
At less we young white males don't check out at age 19 in drive-by shootings.
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I was in college kept applying for jobs and getting no call backs or interviews, and frankly I just got sick of being depressed about it. It wasn't good for my health to beat myself up about how useless I am ,and honestly I still had no idea what I wanted to do as a career.

It reached a point where I just didn't have any more emotions to give into society and even going to a bar is a waste of time.

So what i'm beta and poor an not that good looking, im healthy anf /fit/, and society doesnt wan't me so why do I keep trying to join it.
>tfw raised by single mom shaming meinto living my life around finding a woman.

for women? fuck that thye'll cheat on you and fuck you over anyway, whats the point if everything is designed to leave you broke and anxious about the future and the more material you gain the ore you're inclined to work to keep it.

people will call us failures but frankly who cares any more, our generation isn't buying shit anyway.
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>>126215654
gay niggers from outer space
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>>126216912
>most men are employed

UK unemployment is 5%, France 9%, Spain is 20%, Italy has 12%. Yes most men are employed but it's still terrible over much of the developed world.
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>>126214807
because its a full time job just to score an entry level part time job which may or may not be on-track to a full time job.

because you can tuck your tail between your legs and be a ass kisser for a resume builder and still never get a call back while stacy "feels sorry for you being a vulnerable man" while she gets 25 call backs for her tech start up 501c3 non-profit job

because its impossible to be taken seriously before age 30 no matter who you are or what you do since you are "just a kid"


also people fuck with you for being "immature" in your twenties and not already having a house and kids or a wife

its so much easier to just give up, I haven't yet and I am still trying but everyday I get the urge to just work at lowes and shoot guns and drink beer instead of trying
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>>126214807
This society is fucking dumb
This society awards dishonesty and debauchery and then have the gall to say that they appreciate good people in the world and how we should promote those values

We've also gone to point where instead of actually considering an opposite viewpoint that goes against the norm, it just gets shat upon and treated with complete ignorant hate.
Most people now favor feelings over logic then bash on those who actually have a reasonable argument based on facts

It's all a shit show and now the only real way I can find a decent group of people to talk with is online.

tl;dr - It's a fucking shit show outside. Online is where it's at.
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>>126214807
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>>126218979

>Defend video games.
>Justify escapist alcohol consumption and hard drug use.
>Weak faggots living in an fairyland where selfish behavior, conflict, struggle, promiscuity, self-centeredness are a "problem" or a sign that society is going to shit, when in reality they're just isolated pussies unable to face the real world, the way it has been since the dawn of time.
>Blaming women for being attracted to attractive men, saying "it's unfair", when in reality it's literally how we've evolved to behave as a species.
>Muh Judeo-Christian values.
>Not being man enough to grow a skin, compete and succeed, instead lock themselves in their rooms and sulk and rage like the pussies that they are, thinking up reasons why it's society's fault and how it's all a "cucked system".
>"Why would anyone want to spend their life with some insipid, selfie taking basic bitch virtue signaling narcissist?"
>Implying you wouldn't if you could.
>Drinking, drugging, gaming and overall being a waste of matter instead of educating yourself, working hard, socializing, getting fit, getting a job and being a useful, functional human being.
>But no, muh society is rigged/cucked/shit/degenerate, why should I bother?
>inb4 "wage slave", "goy" and other denial-maintaining buzzwords.
>Being this ignorant about society and the world around them.

Wow for a right-wing board, /pol/ sure is filled with degenerate, useless incel pussies.
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Feminism, women's suffrage, and state welfare has sort of destroyed the underlying society but people are in denial of it, and soon no one will be alive to remember how much more smooth and effective things were before it despite shittier technology.
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>>126215817
This man gets it. Even the asians know the white man is full of shit.
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How do I be useful to my race. I started signing up for IE and anticom, but I'm still a NEET loser and don't know how I should be planning my life out.
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why wouldn't we?

Give us our civil war to kill muslims and niggers and rape feminists and things might change.
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>>126220358
where do you think you are?
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>>126214807
Porn

All you do is to watch a man fucking a girl you like
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>>126214807
They can't compete
>>126220730
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>>126214807
>Technology has advanced

It takes the exact same amount of time to fly from New York to London today as it did in 1965. There hasn't been shit for advancement.
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>>126220358
I smell fedora. ew.
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Because I have a master's in applied math and the government imports immigrants to the point that 90% of workers in my field are foreign born. Sometimes I wonder what my salary would be if there weren't so many chinks and poos pushing down the wages.
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>>126220358

>Serbia
>13% unemployment rate
>These comments

What in the actual fuck. Oh wait.

>Serbia
>Average IQ - 89

I see.
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>>126214807
They aren't.
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>>126216498
/pol/ is an anti-Jewish board and Jewpenhauer is a literal kike. Who came from a Semtic-Germanic family.

>>126218060
Blacks don't need to commit suicide because they'll get murdered instead.
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>>126221197
delete this pic
or
post more
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>>126220358
>serbian intellectuals
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We oppressed minorities now. It's time for the non whites to work while we cash gibsmedats checks and spend all day getting drunk and yeti-ing out. Muh dick.
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>>126220358
>browsing /pol/
>ha-ha-ha im better & superior than all of you losers
why didnt (You) include yourself on that reply list?
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Absentee fathers. And not only in the literal sense. Abandoning responsibility for your child's development is a growing trend.
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Cheer up, /pol/. It gets better.
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>>126214807
they conquered everything, now they realize it isnt worth anything.
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>>126221372
>Import millions of immigrants only a fraction of which are skilled or socialized enough to do cheap labor to drive down costs
>Instead of reaping the surplus of cheaper goods and services, implement gigantic fuck huge discretionary taxes and welfare and healthcare systems to care for hordes of unskilled unintegrated immigrants

It's like a nation sat down and figured out how they could cuck and ruin themselves in the most embarrassing way possible.
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>>126214807
Because
>It's easiest
>They can
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>>126221742
It seems Tom Cotton can only save us now with his replacement for the hart-celler act.
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>>126215140
Not only this, but all the while they're being told they have "white privilege" and "male privilege"

Still looking for my privilege desu.
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>>126215906
What is this even trying to say?
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>>126215316
spree shooting fantasy movie of an ultimate cucklord Uwe Boll. Fuck those movies and fuck him - I hope he dies from cancer
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>>126214807
>Why are young white males checking out of society?

because it fucking sucks. fucking kikes.
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>>126214807
The rewards of being part of society has been completely removed from it. Your father or grandfather enjoyed the rewards and responsibilities of his age. He was the head of the house, respected and an authority figure. Now its the opposite. You still have the responsibility of the head of the family but you reap none of the rewards. No loyal wife, now society encourages her to cuck you and they want you to like it. No respect, your evil white cis scum. The children will be taken away when the wife decides you are no longer worth keeping around and the alimony will be worth it.
You will work, you will toil an you will get nothing. Thats why they drop out.
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>>126221675
I posted the wrong quote. Anyway, you just have to find that thing in life that makes you want to try.
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>>126214807
real men arnt going to be bothered to participate in the downward spiral of shared common western degeneracy. The untermensches of society can enjoy their bread, circuses, and far more empty, meaningless notions of sexuality in base interpretations of gratification and nothing more. I'm far too busy building the society that will replace this one.
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>>126214807
Society did the same to me first.
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>>126214807
Because society is treating them like crap?
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that pizza roll game ridiculous out here
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>>126214807

>watching TV
>drinking beer
>eating junkfood

Looks like a good goy to me
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>1 post by this ID
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>>126214807
Their parents are pussies and dont abandoned them behind a walmart.
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>>126214807
>Have a job.
>Go to college
>Workout daily
>In clubs
>0 female interest in me

I'm honestly considering giving up.
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I don't have a problem with every person, just the ones who think taxation isn't theft.
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Im actually trying to become insanely successfull as revenge for everyone who treated me like shit growing up


I never get demotivated. Fuckers will pay when they sit down fat and with no hope, turn on their TV and there I stand full of awe
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Where is the reward? What world would I be giving to my grandchildren? This place is sick and I won't assist it.
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One possibility is due to bad parenting. In many "white" countries, especially recently, parents may tend to over spoil their children and let them have almost anything they want, possibly due to the general wellness of society at the time. This generation grew up being handed most of what they wanted on a silver platter, and never had to work for their dues as a child. Not to say that's representative of all people raised within the last 20-30 years, but it's certainly true for a good portion of the population.
Due to this style of upbringing, when adulthood comes about, things suddenly take a turn for the worse. When things are expected of these people who never developed a good work ethic by relying on their parents or other family, one of 3 things could happen: Either they deal with the situation and start to change for the better, become "activists" and try to change how the world works to fit their needs (see: liberal college students), or they retreat from society back to the hand which fed them, whether that hand is the government or their parents.
That being said, society does have a lot of things in it now which would turn some of the weaker-willed individuals away from it, such as some wings of modern day feminism. For these people with weak wills (who are unwilling to take charge of their lives and would rather seclude themselves to avoid dealing with having an actual life), it just becomes much easier to let outside events play themselves out.
Thinking you cannot change anything is foolish, but thinking everything is simple to do is ignorant. Strive for a fulfilling life and it will present itself to you, just as striving for a better society will lead to change: no matter how small. Take charge and stop shitposting
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>>126214807

> Be American born male
> get your dick sliced up because women just think it looks better/MUH HYGIENE
> get told women are perfect angels and better than men in every way and can totally do everything a man can
> realize this is bullshit the first time you get into a fight with a girl as a kid and the school crushes you for hitting her back
> get put on brain-altering meds at very young age
> Go to sex ed, get told that practically every sexual interaction you can have with a girl is rape, or can be made so retroactively, while if a girl did the same thing with you it's perfectly fine
> go to college
> Get told you basically have zero civil rights when it comes to defending yourself against accusations of rape
> get out of college, get shitty cubecuck job where you can be replaced at any moment
> watch guys who go through divorce proceedings get their property confiscated and basically get made into a legal slave of the woman for decades while courts refuse to enforce visitation rights

given this environment I'm surprised MORE men aren't just checking out and playing vidya
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>>126223005
>doing it all to get back at people
you're not gonna make it brah
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>>126223005
>there I stand full of awe

there will be nobody to give a fuck about you
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>>126223172
nonsense, that's the greatest motivation of all.
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>>126220358
>i'm a faggot looking for attention on /pol/

here's your (you)
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>>126223045
>Durr I won't have children because of muh suffering because this jewish pholiphoser told me so

Nihilism was a Jewish mistake

>>126223158
People rather defend their countries from shitskins then be lazy sacks of dogshit who take communist dick up their asses.
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>>126220730
Name of the girl at the top left?
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>>126222273
Inspiring!
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>>126214807
Austerity measures squeezing our good boy points, combined with increased difficulty of getting good-quality tendies and honey mustie.
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Why would we stay with it?
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>>126223558
it starts with Ching, ends with Chong and in the middle theres a bit of Pong
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>>126223558
kaho shibuya
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>>126223796
Looks Japanese though, not Chinese. Stop meming or meme better
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>>126222065
On the left is how attractive a male is
On the bottom how attractive a female is.

The blue "Male advantage" is the situation where a male will be more attractive than the female, in the eyes of a female.
The pink "Female advantage" is the situation where a female will be more attractive than the male, in the eyes of a female.

For a quick ref, observe trhe intersect line. This will tell you that a woman of say 50% attractiveness will only like a male of 90% attractiveness,

The conclussion to be gathered from this graph ios that it contains no sources and OP is most likely a massive faggot, or the null hypothessis
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>>126223858
Thank you, friend
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fucking crybabies my dad's been in prison since i was 4 literally raised in super poverty (less than 12,00$ per year) in the entirely dead rustbelt and am very successful

everyone else around me seems very stupid and unadaptive, if anything there being less white and more females means easier competition

i make my coworkers look like stupid children and am typically quickly advanced above them
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>>126222273

is that really a quote from gobbels?

he'd fit right in.
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>>126214807
because
- nobody dances at the club
- nobody socializes at the bar
- conversations are full of triggers and everyones crazy
- social justice bullying is at an all time high
- everything sucks
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>>126220358
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>>126218562
to fug them ya dimbo
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>>126220358
You have a good point. Living in a society where degeneracy is very common is by no means an excuse to just drop out of it. The real man keeps fighting until his dying breath. The real man builds a family. Very ironic that these so-called fascists become degenerates because they dislike degeneracy.
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>>126218979
i feel this.
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>>126224044
It always amuses me when burgers whine about having a tough life. I don't mean you
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>>126218979
hey man keep ya fuckin chin up, and your head down. A lot can change in a couple of years, keep trying and keep going, men are made to work and you will get there.
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>>126214807
>Why are young white males checking out of society?
I assume it's a small minority, but it's because poor role models and leadership.
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>>126223399
We don't have a not enough whites problem. We colonized the whole fucking planet with just a fraction of what we have today. Think of the largesse those folks enjoyed in terms of resources to consumers. The only problem is too many shitskins and it can only get worse.
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>>126224374
this
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I'm still a part of society, but I'm actively planning to eventaully withdraw from it.

Like the late Greta Garbo once said, "I just want to be left alone.".
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>>126214807
You're white, you're evil.
You're male, you're evil.
You're straight, you're evil.
We're going to remind you of this day in day out for several decades, and make you feel guilty for being born a straight white male, and expect you to feel indentured for being born a straight white male.

Does this sound like the proper way to incentivise people to do shit for you?

They're getting pissed because biting the hand that fed them, didn't get them more food, and now they have to feed themselves.

And in an epic reversal of roles, single mothers are now finding themselves providing for NEET sons, and can't see how this is what they were fighting for.
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>>126224846
>We don't have a not enough whites problem
>We are 60% white
>Whites have the lowest birth rates and accept the most Jewish garbage like Nihilism and child hatred
>While shitskins in their countries are breeding at an extremely high rate
>Will become minorities in their own countries

Hope you like getting killed by a pack of wild lesser races. That's what you get for not protecting your demographics and speaking out against kikes.
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>>126214807
The only white males dropping out of society are a small minority of losers so nothing of value will be lost.
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>>126214807
Because the media is actively against us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWeVm4WT8HA
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>>126223716
kill mom?
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>>126225486
THICC
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>>126225038
You know that the "you're a white male!" bullshit mostly doesn't exist in real life , right? it's cherry picked bullshit posted.
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>>126225223
And?
Am I supposed to care?
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>>126216881
>Convict spawn obsessed with being fucked by black cocks
I guess prison sex is in your genes.
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>>126225703
You're from GenX, You never really had anything important other than grunge. Boomers 2.0 basically.
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>>126222273
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>>126225703
I'm not talking merely about job discrimination, I'm talking about the values that are propagated by state education and the media, and you have to have your head stuck in the sand to not at the very least be able to see how they demonize white people, persistently, throughout a child's school years.
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>>126226002
Meant for him
>>126225889
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>>126226082
He's a leaf, probably thinks that shit is normal.
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>>126226082
>learning about brown people in social studies made me a neet
no, it's shit role models, shit leadership, and shit parenting.
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>>126214807

-no one wants to date me.

-The cost of living is so high unless you have a top 10% earning career you have no hope of being able to live decently as a single person.

-debt loads for young people from college hold's them back from financial freedom

just to name a few reasons.
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>>126223148
>Take charge and stop shitposting
And here you are shitposting
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>>126219513
No its worse than you think.
CA is in the Purpleflirp colors now for example

I think its 24% nation wide
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>>126215558
When you claim everyone else is the problem, then maybe, just maybe, you are the problem.
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>>126223399

You can bitch about jewish propaganda and scream "MAN UP" at people all you like but until the marriage/gender relations scene in the US improves dramatically in favor of men, this trend is going to continue
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>>126214807
because society is fucking cancer
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>>126214807
maybe 0,1%
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>>126216881

shut up, pencil dick
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>>126220730
it's literally the same handful of 4-5 black actors in any of those style of JAV
almost every other time it's just a insanely tanned jap that's essentially in blackface
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>>126214807
>checking out
Define "checking out".
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Women are dumb SJW gold digging cunts, and men are just as bad, there's no brotherhood anymore, just sociopathic wankers looking for a way to screw people over.
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>>126214807
We just need to start our own firms, for whites only. We need to basically just ignore jewish control and jewish servants.

If they shoot at us, we kill their children. But for the most part, we need to create societies within societies and just ignore jewish pets.
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>>126214807
Gearing up for the race war.
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>>126226791
Then become a governor or senator and pass laws that would change the current bullshit we have.
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>>126224452
>The real man keeps fighting until his dying breath.
>The real man builds a family.

>the real man does x

mfw you're not a real man unless you choose suffering for nothing.
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>>126214807
1 post
Shill thread
Etc
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>>126214807

Because we can see the outcome

>Get a job
>Get married
>Have kids
>Divorce
>Lose kids
>Pay alimony forever
>Get stuck in a state home

If you're smarter you do this

>Get a job
>Don't get married or have kids
>Save your wealth
>Retire early
>Get up at noon, do what you want because you have a nest egg

If you're smarter still

>Become a neet
>Get neetbux
>Get up at noon, do what you want because neetbux

When divorce rates are above 50% the logical conclusion is well better not get married, then they ask why bother working at all then if not for your family, to retire comfortably?

We're not going to get pensions or retirement
Oh look neetdom will give you the life of retirees

Gee I wonder which men are going to pick
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Gog
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>>126220358
Nice proxy, Schlomo. You kikes are truly desperate.
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>>126214807
Because modern consumer culture is vapid, and unappealing, and pop-culture has destroyed both normal friendships, and romances.
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>>126222230
>The children will be taken away when the wife decides
Wrong, the children are taken away before that, they are forced to go to school.
Kids used to have a different status, they were aspiring adults and given as many responsibilities as they could handle within their range of competence, which was always shifting in the direction of more and more. There was no Department of Labor and Department of Human Resources to "protect" them from living full lives. Kids in those days were regarded as valuable because they were tangibly productive. They worked, gained skills, and produced for their families or otherwise worked for businesses here and there. They were assets. As they gained skills, discipline, and a work ethic, they could become ever more valuable to their custodians and communities. This is a major reason why people wanted them. And the kids, in turn, were socialized to be grateful to their benefactors whether at home or work.
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>>126226469
>NEET
it's not just about dropping out of the job market is it, these articles also bring up how less and less men are aspiring to marriage.

If you tell someone they're shit, why would they want to be involved with you? If society is telling you you're shit, why would you want to be involved with it?

and
>learning about brown people

it was convenient how they ignored the centuries of Persian conquest prior to Alexander.
it was convenient how they ignored the centuries of Ottoman and Barbary piracy and white slave trade.
it was convenient how they ignored the hunnic and mongol invasions.
it's convenient how they ignored the disproportionate number of jews within the soviet party, stasi and gulag infrastructure, not to mention within european politics as a whole for the last 200 years.
it's convenient how they ignore the persecution, rape and murder of whites in zimbabwe and south africa.

it's convenient how they only taught us about the times evil whitey oppressed those poor darkies and shoah'd those innocent kikes, so they could paint a picture of us being some exceptional evil in the world.
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>>126227150
>Not starting a family
>Not making white children
>Not marrying non-city women which are least likely to divorce

Wow Boomer Boomington, such a nice idea. Better let my race become a minority in my own country and care about wealth like a smelly kike instead. Real people would change the laws themselves rather then give up.

>>126227280
This, We need to revert this bullshit.
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>>126214807
niggers and jews basically.
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>>126227435
>Not marrying non-city women which are least likely to divorce
do you have sauce on that?
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>>126214807
Dopamine addiction
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>>126227083

oh boy yeah, I'll do that faggot, just like that, huh, I'm sure I'll be able to do it without tons of connections and contributions from shady fuckers too, and I'm sure as a senator or a governor I wouldn't run into a massive, unelected, entrenched bureaucracy that would frustrate every effort I made, not like something like that is impeding our current president
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>>126227083
>become anothe government shill and try to change already corrupt society from inside.
or
>let women and jews destroy civilization
>men assemble and rebuild again.
>jews and women wanna join new society
>burn them at stake.
>only mate with women who have their own camps and forts.
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>>126214807
Because society checked out on us.
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>>126227150
i agree. i'm neet and i just make money on chaturbate and spend it on stupid shit. best lifestyle.
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>>126227586
Isn't it obvious, whores and roasties literally come from cities. While more traditional people come from Rural and Suburban areas.
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>fell for the STEM meme
>applied to hundreds of jobs and apprenticeships since graduating in 2015
>only got 4 interviews, every job had hundreds of people competing
>working as a labourer making shit wages now
>most of my male coworkers are in the same situation

I tried and I'm still trying, but you reach a point where you realize society doesn't need or want you so you just say fuck it

What pisses me off are all these people who just think there's all these high paying jobs just waiting around that can't be filled because men are playing video games or some stupid shit
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>>126214807
Two of my friends have no greater aspirations in life than working for a pizza joint and picking marijuana, and they think living in a van is a brilliant idea and a great way to live.

They chastise me for literally every thing i care about, but were enraged when i said their fidget spinners were the most autistic thing since sonic the hedgehog.

Kids these days.
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>>126214807
Fucking women
Fucking gun control
Fucking war on drugs
Fucking immigrants
Fucking crime
Fucking work
Fucking anything
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>>126226905
>5"
Fuck, so I'm nearly two inches above average. At least I'm super girthy.
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>>126227713
it isn't obvious
i want sources
also how 'least likely to divorce' is less likely?
that could be barely anythinig considerable
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>>126227689
>let jews destroy civilization
>let whites become minorities so eventually shitskins kill every last remaining white

Genius idea, You do know how this works right? How do you think Hitler rose to power.
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>>126215008
>Wait until the artificial wombs, it's only just begun.
That, plus the robot girlfriends.
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>>126227713

> "traditional"

bet you think "church girls" are better too, you don't realize the US is cucked to the gills, even "conservative churches" have their own brand of shitty feminism infecting them
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>>126227899
once the boomers finally die off and quit ruining society, everything will be ok.
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becuase theyre all turning into pussies
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>>126227150
Best counter point to basic income right here. Can't wait until machines take over and selectively eliminate neets like you
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>>126227435
only over 60y old women live outside cities here and they dont care about sex.
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>>126214807
Because the AoC is way too high. No point in being alive.
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If I want to buy a home I have to slave away for a 20% deposit. If I want to live within 20 miles of the house I grew up in, a house my parents afforded on my dad's self-employed carpentry business and my mom's part-time typist's job, that's 60k minimum. I live modestly, I live in a crappy houseshare, I don't go out every weekend, but my surplus income every year is about 8 grand. So I'm looking at 7 years of scrimping and saving, maybe less depending on whether I get a raise/promoted at work but certainly at least 5, not to own a property, but simply to be permitted the opportunity to play the jews' game and borrow enough to obtain a property that won't actually really be mine for another 30 years.

Society's rules are garbage and I won't play by them.
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>>126214807
>checking out of society
Isn't this just a code phrase for "don't want to be subservient to these empowered womyn"?
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>>126222222
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>>126227974
it's true. what's worse than feminism? christian feminism.
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Leader of The Age of Consent Is Too Damn High party. Ask me anything.
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>>126215008
>>126227950
>Be anons in 2096
>See the last remaining whites getting killed outside by Muslims and niggers
>Desperately shill the idea of artificial wombs
>Despite the fact all white countries are now third world because nobody dared to fight back
>Allahu Akbar is heard in the distance while kikes are laughing like rats

>>126227993
Whites will be a minority once Boomer rats die off, Since younger whites have the birth rate on par with Native Americans. Unless you have a ton of weapons, Then you're fucked. This is the future boomer niggers gave us.
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>>126227824
>gpa less than 3.0 fag detected
Git gud.
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>>126227698
You jack off for cash?
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>>126222273
>1924
n-nice
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>>126228284
literally the only good thing about the boomers was they were still white.
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>>126228292
Nope 3.8 GPA

GPA is a meme I know people with a 2.1 GPA making 80k starting because their uncle works at a refinery
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>>126226905
Holy shit and I thought 13" was average... Penis envy is a thing of the past.
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I believe that social media and internet is party to blame.

We constantly see perfect people, perfect lives, people around us listing their achievements on linkedin, people looking amazing on instagram, people travelling the world on FB. That puts us down, makes us feel inferior. Porn makes our expectations unreal, lifestyle blogs makes us think that living in a newly renovated condo is normal and consuming more and more is what you should do be doing too.

If your self-esteem is low, you have no internal motivation to improve yourself, also you might be reaching for the stars cause you been tricked to think that that lavish lifestyle and perfect looks is the norm.

In addition our parents raised us to think that we are special snowflakes everyone of us and can achieve great and amazing things. Then we are being let down when the external world doesn't support our grandiose image of ourselves.
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>>126223558
It's the same girl Kaho shibuya
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>>126227993
Okay, better just wait for 20 or 30 years and do nothing in the meantime then. I mean shit, all of our problems will be solved if we just wait.
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>>126225703
>You know that the "you're a white male!" bullshit mostly doesn't exist in real life , right?
Says the country that just passed bill c16.
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>>126228414
Better have some kids through surrogacy otherwise whites will be extremely fucked unless they have ammo and tanks near them.

>>126228058
I don't live in Finland where the average age for a person is 75.
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Because they lose nothing if they di and gain nothing by staying in.
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>>126227824
> fell for the college meme and the stem meme
> applied to three workplaces
> got invited for 3 job interviews
> got two job offers
> after one year of working, my salary has doubled and i earn more than the avarage Belgian goy, with for the next 4 years having a raise in sight (My company sees me only reaching full productivity in 5 years)
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>>126226905
The Latam stats are fake. The c*lombian, brazilian and velezuelan one are 14cm, for example. You can confirm this by jut searching for the studies
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>>126228702
What did you study?
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>>126223005
Lower your expectations and pray for normalcy
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>>126228284

>Be anon in 2096
>turn on holoscreen for news
>promising development in space travel
>another mudslime uprising and attack on the franco-hungarian border
>local politican involved in corruption scandal
>isotope levels in north american soil steadily dropping, might be suitable for human life within 40-50 years
>scandal at local dog show
>our recommendations for cheap spacecraft
>experts consider lunar housing bubble serious
>47th victory parade planned in Istókhalma, our first african colony
>turn holoscreen off and go on 4chan to argue about future vidya
>maybe fuck femdroid waifu harem later
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>>126222065
That you have to be better looking than 80% of the men in order to attract a girl who is more attractive than 20% of women.
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>>126228588
this. only rich people post those things on social media. theres no pictures of normal people with normal lives there.
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>>126229105
>Be Me in 2096
>Escape this third world shithole to the Robotic Republic of Polish-Hungary
>Live peacefully with the Slavs
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>>126227828
You need better more high class friends to suit your superior intellect
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>>126229105
>Be anon in 2096
probably wont happen. i would be over 110 years old then.
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>>126229105
Germany is much more fucked up then...

pic. related
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>>126220358
Look nigs I like to hike and hunt as much as the next s/k/out/ But i am not going to play bitch boy for women.
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>>126229917

>tfw all grandparents lived over 90
>working out, eating well and living a healthly life
>regular checkups, shelling out the money for the best treatment for even minor things
>with medical technology improving I might even live to 110-120

I just want to see 2100 man. I want to be someones crazy grandpa from the 20th century, showing off my by C64 and ZX Spectrum.
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>>126214807
They're not.

I live in LA and the only people i know of who have yet to get their shit together by 20 are non whites.

Growing up around shitskins turns you into a driven man. Nothing says "get rich or die trying" like living in a city colonized by drug addled shitskins.
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>>126230253
Bro if you can make it to 2050 you might live for 500 years.
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>>126223158
This niggas
Why let women rule?
The will fuck the guy who slits your throat,
Find like minded men and form your thanes.
A tribe is all you will get now.
Make your crew and keep it.
Time are going to be hard.
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>>126220358

Says the degenerate incel.
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>>126230324
That's because every white man in LA is actually a kike with kike connections.
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>>126225223
The problem is TOO MANY NONWHITES. How would throwing my ancestors into the world to be inevitably slaughtered by roaming packs of feral niggers help a god damn thing?
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>>126231198
less degenerate than fucking multiple women just for fun.
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>>126227435

>Implying I care about wealth

I don't even know what people my age spend their money on anymore, my college friends work at tesco's stacking shelves so they can have enough to go clubbing and try to get laid

>>126228054

No the best argument is that the cut off point will continuously encourage those who barely make more to quit because have 12 hours a day more for the a little less income is obviously a better deal

This however comes from the assumption all citizens should be working extortionate hours every day with no time for themselves
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>>126226949
Except you don't win anymore by offering value. You win by extracting it from the deep state. And the deep state fucking hates you.
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>>126214807
>young
>30 years old
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>>126214807

>1 post by this ID
Everytime. "Why are millenials doing/not doing x" threads are always the same way as well. Guaranteed 200+ replies. Really makes you think.
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>>126227683
Just to be clear, so you aren't gonna do anything other than whine?
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>>126227993
Except somehow we've inherited all the debt they squandered on useless shit and will (((for some reason))) have to pay it back plus interest forever
>>
We're not, we just don't hang around people like you apparently.
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>>126224005
don't know where that specific graph comes from, but according to statistics released by OK Cupid females on their site view 80% of the males as below average, while males view the females on a more standard looking bell curve
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>>126230711
Hopefully your crew is family or close to family. Trust is hard to come buy in this modern hellscape.
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>>126214807
Family court systems which are anti-male and feminism making women more sexually liberated and thus unloyal has made marriage very unappealing to a lot of men, especially straight white males since for whatever reason the liberal establishment and both the social justice retards and the Marxists/Communists in academia have made it a point to spread constant anti-white, anti-straight, and anti-male propaganda in both popular media and in academia as a way of brainwashing people into thinking that everything that is wrong in the world is because of straight white male and not because of Abrahamic religions like Judaism, Islam and Christianity as well as those who practice them.
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Download Tinder and just scroll through what they have to offer today. That's what we have to work for. Blue and short hair, tatted up, wanting everything but offering nothing girls.

I'll take my vidya, thanks.
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>>126227943
duh.

but at least when the rise happens we'll mean it instead of bitching on chan.
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>>126221646
This. Men who abandon their children to be raised by single mothers are basically niggers. Their skin could be white but they are still filthy niggers.

Kolyma labor camp should be reopened just for them.
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>>126234070
JUST
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>>126227150
Even best case scenario with marriage, that being it doesn't fall apart cause she changes her mind some day, it all comes down to "daddy isnt making enough money right now cause he's a loser and our shits gonna suck because of it, kids"
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>>126216917
You think your parents wanted to raise you that way?

(((They've))) made it illegal to send your kids outside, or raise them in a non destructive manner.
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>>126214807

I was a G.A.T.E. subject who underwent ego death.

I do better at the fringes.
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>>126229969
This makes me want to plant some SEE

F-OUR in Germany and blame it on arabs

Jokes on me they would be found innocent cuz they're brown
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>>126223005
>Fuckers will pay when they sit down fat and with no hope, turn on their TV and there I stand full of awe
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>>126215008

>Artificial wombs

...so...we ARE the real winners here...
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>>126214807
Shit is boring dude. That's why.
Unless you're rich with a lot of disposable income, the reality is that once you move out of your parents house you run into a situation where you have to spend a minimum of 40 hours a week working for someone else just to afford the most basic necessities. An average person can eat up the vast majority of their income on housing, basic utilities, transportation and food.
That said, this isn't a "muh wage slave" rant or a "muh 1%" rant, it's more of a depressed wages rant due to federal reserve induced inflation and ridiculous amounts of immigrant labor all working to drive down wages for your average American (On a personal anecdote, my work is expanding the parking lot and once of the guys working there told me he is only making $11 and hour doing construction, this low wage for back breaking, semi skilled labor is directly because of immigrants driving down wages and it's happening across the country). Add in the insane amount of taxes an individual or married couple will pay and you have an economy designed to keep people working and never going anywhere outside of a 9-5 job with a forever mortgage.
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>>126219513
tfw motherhood, actively seeking work, and student counts as employed.

mfw unemployment probably at 42% in US and they on't come out and say its a depression so we just pretend everythings okay when we can already see they ramped up the bread and circuses because shit is so bad.
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>>126220358
It's always the same Serbian tough guy shitting up these threads.
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>>126214807
Because there's no such thing as 'good sportsmanship' anymore, and we biologically have a tendency towards peace instead of conflict.
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>>126229917
It will happen. Look up rejuvenation, Calico and Aubrey de Grey.
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>>126214807
I wanna be cool and lie and say I'm 'mgtow' or some shit. But the truth is I don't have time and resources. I go to school part time, work full time, am living with my parents because I can not afford my own place, look hideous because of weight and health issues due to fast food diet. To top it all off when I do have free time I want to do something that will make me feel happy right at that moment, so I'll sign onto Netflix or play some vidiya. I don't wanna waste time and money at a bar where I know I probably have a less than 1/10 chance of getting laid. I don't even jack at porn anymore because my health issues have given me ED so now don't even have a sex drive either.
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>>126214807
It isn't our society, why would we play along?

Enjoy cuckland fucktards.
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>>126215316
Looks like someone didn't buy Skyrim.
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Wow this thread really blew up
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Because drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, bad food, maybe a hooker every now and then, and video games, well, it's like being a pig in shit, and married life is literally a suicide mission. One wrong move, or a bit of bad luck and you are so fucked.
>>
I'm 43 this year, and I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago.Some of you younger folks should be happy that this is the world you were born into, it's all you know. The older ones amongst us saw it change into the shit it became.
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>>126214807
Because everything is a complete fucking mess.
Courtship methods have never been more confusing. Either you waste time on OKC or Tinder after work or spend your days analyzing PUA techniques, meanwhile you have bills to pay and normalfag social media has made it so every one is a microcelebrity.
Then you spend your days wondering what your """friends""" are doing, see some are well off, realize how much of a timesink it is to work for love and, if you're white, you received the added feature of being psychologically browbeaten and blamed for every atrocity on the face of the Earth. No fucking wonder they say 'fuck it' and opt out of the rat race.

Pass me a beer and a controller.
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>>126215008
>Sometimes I regret going out, but I never regret staying in.
this hurts the most
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>>126214807
Because of this really.
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>>126227824
What did you study? STEM is worthless ourside of Engineering , actuary science, and the medical field (specifically doctors). Those + Accounting and the Trades are literally the only viable things right now (at least in my area of the United States).
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>>126220730
go eat some peanut butter in a hut you nigger
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>>126221448
>/pol/ is an anti-Jewish board and Jewpenhauer is a literal kike. Who came from a Semtic-Germanic family.

Sure he did, Yitzhak, sure he did. Mind posting your "source"?
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>>126214807
reminder this thread is a datamine thread to collect info
this hread is made over and over to collect more and more data, like other threads
do not participate or at least give bullshit answers to fuck with these faggots
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>>126215316
>>126222077
I thought it was a good movie.

If only for the complete shock and innaction of the victims who couldn't fathom the actions of a psychopath.

Take the women who huddled, cried and begged rather than escaping out a window that was 3 feet away.
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>>126238513
this desu
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>>126220358
>degenerate women
>fucked up housing market
>must have crippling college debt to have shot at life
>Society hates us just for existing
>born with legit autism
Why shouldn't I stay at home
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>>126243727
What info are they collecting
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>>126214807

Because they never left adolescence.
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>>126238513
this pretty much, I am hoping things get better, in 2007 at 19 I was making more then I am now before the economy crashed, I had tons of disposable income, now its like I work non-stop just to pay I few bills, maybe eat out once a month, and maybe buy a giant bottle of liqour so I can have a few shots every day to dull the pain, this is why I don't believe anyone when they tell me the economy is recovering.
until I can find a job for 17-18$ an hour doing simple construction work, the economy still hasn't recovered.
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>>126244472
the answer to the quest, similar to political compass threads or IQ threads, they collect this data to assemble answers to articles and other shit they write, im not kidding friendo
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I used to think like 99% of the people in this thread. Atheist virgin isolated outsider who played videogames for escapism and fapped to porn. Never wanted a wife or children. I was utterly disillusioned with modern society.

Then I got redpilled on /pol/. Brainwashed is a better term. Since then I've fucked ten sluts in six months to prove to myself that I'm not an autismo, lifted like a motherfucker, quit porn, got engaged in the real world. I've also converted to Christianity to promote traditional, family and cultural values, not because of any big man in the sky. And I will find a white wife to have eight children with. That is my mission, that is my duty to my ancestors
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>>126245006
what a boring life you're seeking
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>>126245006

Have fun with the drudgery and fuck your degenerate prison colony ancestors
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>>126215906
Women don't look better though. They get to hide their flaws with makeup. Take that shit off the average women over 24 and it's a horror show.
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>>126245196
>>126245678

Have fun with your empty aimless lives of instant gratification and greed

I will grow into my sixties surrounded by my children and their children, and when I'm too old to stand I will be visited by my offspring every second day while you rot away in loneliness
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>>126245006
8 children. Lol. Not gonna happen. 3 at the most.

It won't make a dent in the shitskin invasion anyway even if you had 8.
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>>126214807
>he actually believes this

kek
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>>126226905
>Congo
>Czech republic

It's almost as if dick size is a predictor of the ruination of niggers
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>>126243382
This. Unless you can make a successful startup programming is pretty cucked. Being a tradie is the shit here. Almost 100% white, legally can't import shitskin plumbers and electricians. Can just charge fags hundreds for pretty basic work that only takes an hour or two. Both parties seem to want to suck their dick because they are the 'real workers'.
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>>126246363
Why would you assume me having 8 children is 'not gonna happen'? You don't even know me lol

8 is very achievable, German mothers in WW2 would recieve a gold german mother's award if they reached 8 children. And in the era of medicine to ensure the birthing is smooth and generous welfare/gibdedats it's even easier than ever before
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>>126246142
>when I'm too old to stand I will be visited by my offspring every second day
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I like how this "checking out of society" narrative is used by feminists and traditionalists as ammunition in arguments.

Women are not oppressed because guys on 4chan or wherever don't ask them out on dates. The very fact that /pol/ can't see how all these threads are slide bait threads is just amazing.
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>>126246753
The key to trades is to keep gathering skills so that you know the ins and outs of real estate so then you can start flipping houses and scaling up on waves of equity.
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>>126246944
Yeah--fact is none of you faggots were going to get any ever--these threads are to rub your nose in it and convince you to kys. Jew psyop # uno.
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>>126246912

Some nations make a habit out of keeping in touch with one another, fin.
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>>126246912
Do the math, assuming I get visited once every two weeks:
>8 children = one visit every 1.75 days (2 days)
>1.86 children (australia average) = one visit every 7.53 days (8 days)

Just accept my logic is superior and you're a retard please
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>>126246708
you are a fucking idiot.
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>>126247153

The last woman I was with was not mentally well, I still might go with her again if she gets better. But yeah, I've always been very behind the curve on this stuff. I'm very aware of that. These "opting out" threads are just looking for more ways to make women out to be victims.
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>>126247519
>jamaca
>Sudan
>Bolivia

Those counties listed are objectively horrid.
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>>126220178
Do it man, society as it stands is not worth participating in. Enjoy yourself while you're here, don't bust your ass to fund Abdul and Jamals 40 bastard children.
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>>126228588
under rated but very level headed post
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>>126220358
Look at all those non-arguments. You don't get to dictate how others spend their time on this Earth. If they don't want to prop up the shit system then more power to them.
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>>126242677
U might just need to sort yourself out & watch Jordan Peterson and live according to the teachings of Jesus Christ our Lord, bud

>inb4 oyy veyyy
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>>126214807
Why bother if your attempts to be good are punished? The core desire that binds all decent men is the desire to be a good father, to raise a good family. All the rest follows on after that duty is done. The degeneracy of the sexual revolution has done so much harm to long term relationships and marriage that finding a true bond with another has all but been done away with.

I pity the man that has never known the love of a good woman, one who will stick by you that you can trust. We've all been burned and few still try after that.

The job market is global, you compete with workers across the world. In my last interview, there were candidates from all over, maybe half were British. Getting into anything higher than menial labour is a joke and even the menial labour is undercut by cheap, imported labour.

A man without resources cannot build a family and a man without a family is a failed man.
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>>126249074
>The core desire that binds all decent men is the desire to be a good father, to raise a good family
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>>126214807
We're done giving cunts and niggers gifts that aren't appreciated.
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>>126249074
The thing that bothers me about these posts is that we live in objective bounty and peace and prosperity and yet people complain that they're not all millionaires banging covermodels. And even if people do have those things they get drugged out and overdose. People have no modesty, basically.
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>>126222065
even a 2/10 woman wants a 6/10 man
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>>126248752
Man whores go to hell to get raped by dogs and fat male gym teacher demons.
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>>126216102
>born ugly
>his fault
what is this nub even trying to say
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>>126236060
I wanna make a point about this whole
>kids don't wanna go outside!
Shit.
Every kid I ask has nowhere to adventure
They can't find any woods where people don't get the police called for trespassing because the people that own empty land are all putting motion detectors fucking everywhere
You can't ask Mom to drive you to the bonnies so what do you do?
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>>126249496
Jesus hung out with literal whores who then sought forgiveness. Stop being an ass.
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>>126249468

The two sides feed off each other. The "men who are opting out" vs the people who complain about them opting out. The people who complain are upset that not all men are alpha 10/10 superhumans while the men who are "opting out" either have very high standards or no standards at all. And of course it's not all black and white and both sides are not 100 percent rigid as I described, but it's damn near close.
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