/pol/ communism general

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A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced and second by eliminating the exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners. A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival (making a wage or salary in a capitalist system), which Marx referred to as a transition from the "realm of necessity" to the "realm of freedom." As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner. Karl Marx considered "true richness" to be the amount of time one has at his or her disposal to pursue one's creative passions. Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZqVOFSYRWI

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dmC_ABXV2U

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The eternal Commie-posting Spaniard who's great grand father probably fought the Reds in Spain and a Fin who's ancestor also fought the Soviets in the Winter war are glorifying Communism.

L M A O

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>>126214182
>Fin who's ancestor also fought the Soviets in the Winter war
Wrong, neither of them did. Other side.

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>>126214182

Both my grandpas were communists.

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>>126214365
Ah so your ancestor fought for the pillaging and raping Red Horde that failed to destroy a nation of 3-4 million people, despite the fact that the Soviet Army alone was bigger than the whole Finnish people at the time?

>>126214501
>failed to destroy a nation of 3-4 million people, despite the fact that the Soviet Army alone was bigger than the whole Finnish people at the time?
Objective was to take Karelia from Finland. USSR did just that and also took Petsamo and Salla. Finland also lost that war.

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>>126212151

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>>126212151
Hey, I did an analysis of Communist versus (weakly) Capitalistic nations, recently! Want to see?

https://www.jec.senate.gov/reports/103rd%20Congress/East-Central%20European%20Economies%20in%20Transition%20(1634).pdf
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/03/02/389578089/your-grandparents-spent-more-of-their-money-on-food-than-you-do
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000498133.pdf

(1995) Hardt & Kaufman analyse the patterns of economic growth and transition in East-Central European economies.

Their analysis reveals that nations under Communist control actually experienced relative decline in capital stock, development, GDP, and prosperity in toto. Meanwhile, Germany, Austria, France, and other western European nations experienced increased economic growth in the Wirtschaftswunder, Trente Glorieuses, and the post-war boom. Overall, the inefficiency of systems without competition or market-clearing prices became costly and unsustainable, especially with the increasing complexity of world economics. Per capita GDP in Socialist nations rapidly fell below comparable western European counterparts on an exchange basis.

To showcase the effects of Socialism and Capitalism on the basis of per capita GDP, several average nations are compared above using 1990 dollars in the years 1938 and 1990.

The Czechoslovak Socialist Republic declined in total GDP 20,9% after the collapse of the CCCP/USSR, in addition to their minute growth; Poland declined 13%; Hungary declined 17,5%; Bulgaria declined 28,9%, and; Romania declined 32,4%.

In 1990, Soviet nations also spent a larger portion of their income on food (44%) versus western nations (11%). This indicates that food was relatively more expensive and their wages were lower, since they still ate fewer calories than did westerners.

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>>126214695
How's Vietnam, Korea and Afghanistan? Oh yeah...

>>126214818
The authors remark that socialist states lacked competition and market clearing prices (they hit them twice between 1938 and 1990, for oil, and for grain), while effective demand neither constrained supply nor provided stimuli to improve microeconomic efficiency. Capital stock stagnated as individual initiative and risk-taking was impossible and governments are unable to create innovation — in the Soviet Union, factories didn't close or improve.

The authors call these results 'misdevelopment' and they're readily visible in the aftermath of Communism, when every post-Soviet nation experienced a precipitous immediate decline in GDP as they began the process of liquidating their bad investments had under Soviet central planning boards. This price had to be paid eventually, and it cost them dearly, but the results of transitioning to the capitalist market system were better than continued squalor under socialism.

Socialism made eastern Europe poorer than it should be. Socialism cannot work without omnipotence and clairvoyance thanks to the impossibility of the aggregation and use of knowledge in one place, and the impossibility of economic calculation, explaining these results.

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>>126214850
Here are the PPP figures for some others ones.

http://theunbrokenwindow.com/Development/MADDISON%20The%20World%20Economy--A%20Millennial.pdf

(2006) Maddison analyses the history of the world economy from a millenial perspective.

In his work, Maddison displays some intriguing figures about the 1990 purchasing power-adjusted (PPP) GDPs of various western capitalist and eastern socialist nations between 1950 and 1990, which are shown above.

The Czechoslovak Socialist Republic declined in total GDP 20,9% after the collapse of the CCCP/USSR, in addition to their minute growth; Hungary declined 17,5%, and; the Soviet Union in toto declined 22,8%.

On a PPP basis, weak capitalist economies (Italy, Spain, and Austria in this example) outperformed strong socialist economies (Czechoslovakia, Hungary, USSR total) by a factor of two. Counting the declines of socialist economies after the CCCP fell and liquidation began, they beat them by a factor of nearly four.

>>126214889
https://piie.com/research/piie-charts/average-life-expectancy-post-communist-countries-progress-varies-25-years-after

(2016) Hauck shows that average life expectancies in post-communist countries rose significantly after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The life expectancy of Slovenians has risen by nearly 18 years to 80; Balkan nations have gained 4 years to their life expectancy towards an average of 75; eastern Europe in general has gained 5 years towards 76; Turkmenistan has gained 2 years towards 66; former Soviet states in general have gained 3 years towards 71.

The collapse of Socialism and the gain of Capitalism in the former-USSR has led to longer lifespans.

Why were life expectancies FALLING under Communism and picking up AFTER it?

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>>126214449
I'm glad the Commies lost the war in Spain. Were they shot after the Fascists won?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tSY2CjP5l4
>>126214633
No it wasn't you idiot... the point of that war was to reclaim the borders of the old Russian Empire which the Soviets saw as their spiritual ancestor, so they wanted all of Finland, during the duration of the war, future Finnish Communist dictators were awaiting in Moscow for the Red Army to overrun the Finns and take Helsinki and for Suomi to capitulate completely.

Since the Soviets failed utterly and humiliated themselves throwing themselves at the Finns, and Stalin had no more time to waste in Finland, he signed a treaty with the Finns where he gained some land, but not all of it.

They didn't lose the war, but they had to make some sacrifices to remain independent and to stop Communism.

>>126215044
If the economy was so great, why did the underground economy become larger than it?

https://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/1993-900-03-Treml.pdf

(1993) Treml & Alexeev show that the 'second economy' (black market) of the Soviet Union distorted and destabilised the visible economy and eventually outgrew it in total.

The black market of the Soviet Union was more important to sustaining the lives of Soviet citizens in the long-run, and it contributed a greater deal to the national GDP in the end than did the actual planned socialist economy.

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>>126214633
>Objective was to take Karelia from Finland.
Sure it was, gomrade. They totally didn't want to annex all of Finland, but simply could not do so.

>>126215080
Why, in all of their planning, were they only able to come within 5% of targets twice?

https://goo[dot].gl/2zWUaL

(1988) Bethkenhagen shows that the USSR met clearing price targets (within 5%) for oil one time between 1972 and 1991.

That is, they failed to properly estimate the price of oil and it's derived products for all but a portion of the period 1983-84, marking a long history of inefficiency and resource misuse despite the oft-repeated socialist mottoes of "production for use, not for profit" and "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

Those claiming that prices can be cleared as an answer to the consumer good side of the economic calculation problem must answer up for: (I) why the USSR (almost) never met the target, and; (II) how a central planner or a mutually-owned firm would properly estimate the value of goods, services, land, factors of production, and other resources ahead of time in the first place.

The USSR managed to meet (still missed but came within 5%) their target one single time in 19 years — this is a clear indicator of failure.

Interestingly, the changes in clearing price prediction reveal two things:

1) The USSR's capital stock declined past a certain point and because production from those now-declining factors cost more, they began to (mis)estimate that the values of the goods they produced were higher, or they needed them to be higher to compensate for repair costs, and;

2) The USSR, due to a failure to accumulate capital or a decline in real capital stock, was unable to compete with other countries who were now producing the same goods at lower costs and selling them at low prices that the USSR could not match.

The USSR was unable to keep up and had to compensate with higher, uncompetitive, and incorrect prices. Clearing price trends elucidate the state of the USSR's capital stock, and what they show is decidedly not pretty.

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>>126212151
Here sage.

>>126212151
Time to compare death tolls little children

>>126215197

What was up with their "official reports"? Why did they lie in them?

http://www.roiw.org/1993/23.pdf
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-04-04/business/fi-2827_1_black-market

(1993) Alexeev & Gaddy analyse income distribution in the USSR/CCCP in the 1980s, using Soviet-released data.

The data reveals that reforms reduced inequality in the Soviet Union as a whole throughout the 1980s and income inequality was greater in the poorer, southern republics of the USSR than in the north. The effects of black markets (unofficial or private income) can be estimated to increase the second trend, but the effects on the first can't be determined based on available data.

Per capita income in the USSR (based on pegged Ruble-USD exchange rates, which are off-base (high)) was $190,4 in 1980; $215,9 in 1985; $249,9 in 1988; $257,21 in 1989, and; $290,7 in 1990. Inequality based on the data given by the Soviets is almost non-existent, but this makes little sense, as per capita GDP was higher in this period, and inequality was significantly higher as well.

Clearly, the USSR forged its data and forged it horrendously or, alternatively, the per capita income of Russians was had through the black ('second') market, and not through the officially planned channels.

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>>126215079

>were they shot?

Nope

>>126215278
https://www.census.gov/population/international/files/USSR.pdf

(1991) The Census Bureau compares facts and figures from the USA and the USSR.

The USSR hid around a million people in secret jails (gulags) every year between 1970 and 1990. Gulag workers are not included in the following statistics.

The USSR was 17% less urbanised in 1970, 10% less urbanised in 1980, and 15% less urbanised in 1989.

The USSR had more deaths each year, increasing between 1970 and 1989, while the number of deaths each year decreased in the USA in this same period. The death rate in the USA declined over time, while it increased in the USSR.

Life expectancies were 1,5 years shorter in the USSR in 1970, and were 6 years shorter in 1988. The USA progressed in life expectancy, but the USSR did not.

All-cause death rates/mortality decreased from 945,3 in the USA in 1970 to 868,1 per 100.000; this increased in the USSR from 822,4 to 999,4. Health became worse over time in the USSR, contrary to what economic development tends to bring.

Infant mortality in the USA declined from 20 per 1.000 in 1970 to 9 per 1.000 in 1989, whereas the USSR did not progress from between 22 and 25 per 1000 over this period.

The USSR averaged five to six times as many abortions per year as the USA, and a five times higher abortion rate.

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>>126215189
Nope, they didn't. Finland lost both of those wars and they had to spend cold war kissing USSR ass just so that they wouldn't get steamrolled.

>>126215347
The USA, despite having a smaller population, enrolled more than twice as many people in schools as did the USSR.

There were more twice as many physicians, two-hundred thousand more nurses, and twenty thousand fewer dentists in the USSR than in the USA, despite their generally worse — and worsening — health. Evidently, these doctors did not mean much of anything and were more for show, than for use.

There were nearly three times as many hospital beds in the USSR as in the USA, but, again, their health worsened over this period in spite of this. Americans that were hospitalised spent half as long in care as did Russians.

There were around 50% more housing units in the USSR as in the USA, but the average size was between one-fifth and one-sixth the size of the average housing unit in the USA.

The USSR has almost ten times as many theatres as the USA did with yearly attendance four times as high as in the USA. Propaganda was required viewing in many areas.

There were twice as many foreign visitors to the USA as the USSR, and around 90% of the visitors to the USSR were Europeans, especially those visiting their families on the other side.

Workers in the USSR averaged 36 hours of work per week, while workers in the USA averaged 40 hours of work per week at far higher pay grades, with far greater compensation, and with less physical exertion.

Citizens in the USSR produced far less than their American equivalents; they took home less money; they spent a higher percentage of their income on food; they had fewer household amenities and fewer luxury items and their lives were marked by much less wealth on average.

In total: the USSR was much worse, and it became even worse over time, compared to the USA, which started better, and became even better with time.

>>126214818
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>>126215044
COMMIES BTFO

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>>126212151

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>>126215320
Too bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQYuAMDx7OA

Spanish NatSoc stabs a Spanish Commie Antifa

50 other Commie antifas afraid to do anything
>>126215386
They were a neutral country, and starting another outright invasion of a Democratic and Western country was a recipe for WW3 with Nato and the Americans.

Jesus Christ you pathetic Communist.

>>126214818
>1990
Right when it was collapsing, yeah.

>>126215582
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25642976

(1941) Hitler says "basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same."

Get out, Socialists. Why not respond to the FACTS AND FIGURES above?

>>126215687
Its economy grew throughout the 80s at its highest rate. Notice that I also included their GDP in 1973 :)

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>>126212413
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>>126214449
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>>126215582

We are reaching levels of samefagging that shouldn't even be possible.

>>126215044
Actually capitalism killed a million or so Russians when life expectancy declined for a while in the 90s, and when crime rose sharply and living conditions deteriorated.

>>126214449
>mandatory same sex marriage since the days of civil war

Commune when

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>>126215582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJGViepwaKo
>>126215707

>>126215197
That's an argument against central planning, not against worker ownership.

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>>126215707
i dont know if you ever heard of ernst rohm

he was a german national marxist, he wanted wealth redistribution


hitler had him killed lol

to have a socialist country you must have a centralized banking system, which is what the US has...

Germany did not and was flourishing

>>126215968
How does Capitalism kill anyone? Capitalism is not a system of maintenance, it is laissez-faire -- let it go! Not giving you bread is not killing you, it's just not saving you.

Capitalism has killed exactly zero people. Capitalism has saved and allowed the existence of billions.

The empirical data is in -- you lose!

Communism killed many millions as it must due to the inability to calculate.

>>126216124
Worker ownership also doesn't work unless it's stock instead of direct-part ownership. The ECP applies to that, too.

>>126215347
>things went to shit slowly in a time literally called the Stagnation
Surprise surprise.

>>126216199
BOO HOO PRIVATE PROPETY IS EVIL CAPITALISM AND IMPERIALISM

are you sending this from your personal computer?

>>126212151

Please don't make this kind of thread again :)

>>126216292
This was their peak, actually. They were never better than this.

But, good try. Their GDP progressed from 1938 through to 1990 with the greatest growth in the '80s (even slightly before Gorby!).

>>126216280
Germany existed based off of debt and its economy was also just a heap of malinvestment. cf. "The Vampire Economy."

>>126216354
Commie faggots delineate "personal" and "private" property based on the ownership of means of production, although computers are certainly a means of production.

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>>126212151

The Eternal commie stirkes again, return to your precious mongolian lands you finnish fuck

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>>126216467
Wowee, it's almost as if varying degrees of collective ownership exist! They were certainly Socialist.

And guess what: collectivism distorts and cannot make order.

>>126216477
>Germany existed based off of debt and its economy was also just a heap of malinvestment. cf. "The Vampire Economy."

Not true at all.

卐 - NATSOC ECONOMICS EXPLAINED
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>One of the most plagued questions we get when talking about Fascism is economics, normally brought up by people still stuck in a liberal mentality and limited scope of perception, where everything is defined in term of social and economic policies, rather than principles derived from the notion of a singular Truth and Order that dominates the world. The variety of historic economic plans and practices maintained by various champions of our Struggle likewise distorts any comprehensive answer to the question. All in all we've simply answered people that economics are secondary, they don't matter in such a way as to be a fundamental and defining element of Fascism. The answer didn't change, however there is now a way in which we can describe this attitude to economics, and it's actually a word we've used repeatedly in reference to Fascism anyway: Socialism.

>Our Socialism, however, is not in of itself an economic system, it is not the Socialism of Marx and co and stands in direct opposition to both Communism and Capitalism. It would be more accurate to say that to Fascism, Socialism is the definitive social structure which is more comparable to the structures of Individualism and Collectivism, yet it stands in opposition to those two structures as well.

(Continued)
http://archive.is/7CUMq

For more, see pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/PPsmxdiK

>>126215707
saying something doesn't make it true

You're a faggot.

See what I did there?

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>>126216587
im not a capitalist you red dog

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>>126216587

Its funny how his state collapsed Pedro, perhaps the economic crisis has hit you hard and I understand but just because Uncle Alberto got lynched by Franco does not mean that you have to endorse Communism

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>>126216815
>worshipping a dead ideology
There's a reason why nobody takes you seriously and hasn't taken since 1945

>>126216649

Are you arguing that National Socialists are actually socialists?

>>126216806
You are right, Hitler was wrong, totally.

>>126216672
Yes, completely true, or maybe you're a better authority than Hjalmar fucking Schacht.

http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1175&context=gsp

"Following a Keynesian-style policy dependent upon heavy borrowing of “gigantic sums of money”, Nazi Germany’s national debt by 1939 “had reached 37.4 billion Reichmarks,” where even “Goebbels, who otherwise mocked the government’s financial experts as narrow-minded misers, expressed concern in his diary about the exploding deficit.”"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefo_bills

READ -- SOCIALIST

>>126214845
I could ask you the same about Afghanistan what's funny is that one brush fire war didn't bankrupt us like it did the soviets

>>126217048
They are. Hitler even said it.

>>126217140
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany#Pre-war_economy:_1933.E2.80.931939

Or, maybe, this spending was a figment.

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>>126216967

Funny you should say that, give me one example of your ideology as it should be alive today?

No?

How about one in 1945?

No?

How about one in 1917?

No?

Protip, you can't because you mongrels cannot even institute the ideology. You call out someone for worshipping a dead ideology, but yours is a fantasy one.

>>126217178
so you agree that north korea is a democratic republic?

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>>126216967
Dead Ideology?

How is it dead? We're stronger than almost ever before, and we see through your bullshit you pathetic Communists.

>>126217450
North Korea is a Socialist state, much like Hitler's Germany, albeit with less private property.

Hitler himself said that National Socialism is basically Marxism, and what happened in practice proves it thoroughly.

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>>126217178

Not again, literally all forms of Hitler's economics under Schacht, and then under Goering completely and utterly contradict Socialism principles.

Under Schacht the Nazis followed deficit financing, the Socio-Economic reforms of the original 25-point programme and the policy of Wehrwirtschaft and defence economy. Apart from massive public spending, all of the actions taken were profoundly unsocialist, and were reflective of a state capitalist society.

Under Goering again they followed a state Capitalist society, one that was gearing up for war. To call the Nazis actual socialists is extremely misleading

What happened in practice as in not abolish private property and cooperate with banks?

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>>126217614
>We're stronger than almost ever before, and we see through your bullshit you pathetic Communists.
>This is what nazis believe
Nobody likes you whether it's socialists, communists, liberals, capitalists, civic nationalists, globalists, moderates etc.
You don't have the numbers and never will, that's why there hasn't been serious nazi movement after WW2 ended. Because you're a joke. Bad one, at that.

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How's Venezuela doing???

>>126212151
>gommunism is the next stage of humanity following the gapitalist stage :DDDDD
No empirical evidence for this claim exists.

>from each according to their ability, to each according to their need
What incentive do those with high ability have to produce in such a system? Oh that's right, you wish to enslave them.

>to achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state
Cargo cult economics.

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>>126215687
>gommunism didn't fail
>you are just cherrypicking facts from when gommunism failed

>>126217669
>utterly contradict Socialism principles.

This is a lie.

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

The Ten Planks:

1 - partially enacted
2 - enacted
3 - partially enacted
4 - enacted
5 - enacted
6 - enacted
7 - enacted
8 - enacted
9 - enacted
10 - enacted

Which part of Socialism was National Socialism NOT?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

Hmm, they collectivised... and that's socialism... so... they must not be socialists!

>>126218051
And btw: actual socialism is of course impossible, so what we do is we note DEGREES of collectivism and socialisation, which the Nazis had a high degree of.

Actual Socialism only existed once (in the modern era): 1917-1921 where roving gangs of cannibals wandered around in barren Russia and died en masse.

It, of course, existed in the small-tribe of our hunter-gatherer days, but that was the last real time it functioned.

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>>126216967
>communist accusing some one else of worshipping a dead ideology
Oh I am laffin

>>126217657
>Hitler himself said that National Socialism is basically Marxism, and what happened in practice proves it thoroughly.


>The Western democracy of today is the forerunner of Marxism which without it would not be thinkable. It provides this world plague with the culture in which its germs can spread.

>The fact that the Catholic Church has come to an agreement with Fascist Italy ... proves beyond doubt that the Fascist world of ideas is closer to Christianity than those of Jewish liberalism or even atheistic Marxism...

Hitler gave lip-service, the man worked with the German DNVP i who were a group of reactionaries, he gave no such offer to the KPD, he had the far more left-leaning Strasserites purged and Rohm was killed because his views were too left. Hitler was not a Marxist in

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>>126217140
I am not a Socialist Marxist nor am I a Communist.
>>126217834
There's literally more of us every day. There was even a West German Nazi Party that won a lot of seats in the West German parliament in the 1950s than some other Democratic parties so they had to ban it to stop it from spreading.

There is a National Socialist party in every country of the world and every race and ethnicity.

I literally have no idea what you're talking about .

The local antifa in my city get their asses kicked by the Police AND by the Nazis.

Have no fear. We're just biding our time.

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>>126217042
>workers built your factories
A construction company built the building (unless the businessman did it himself), various businesses like metal works, carpenters, electricians, etc. furbished it with machines and amenities to function.
>they extracted the raw materials and refine them
A business or businesses extracted the materials and refined them (unless that's what the factory does, unclear from this comic).

The businessman had to invest in all of these things in order to get his new business off the ground, paying people for their products/expertise, so that he could pay people without a business to work for him and make money for himself while maintaining the whole thing.

It makes no sense to conflate the common worker whom the businessman is paying to work for him after he set all of the conditions in place for there to be a job in the first place with the other "evil capitalists" that the businessman bought materials/services from to establish his business.

>>126212809
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242567776_Re-examining_the_Cuban_Health_Care_System_Towards_a_Qualitative_Critique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvmQHo8I9TI

(2007) Hirschfeld conducts a qualitative critique of the Cuban healthcare system in order to discern fact from fiction, and to give it a first-hand expert assessment.

Hirschfeld begins by stating: "In my own case, the overwhelmingly positive portrayal of Cuba in the medical anthropology and public health literature meant that I arrived on the island with very favorable expectations. I never anticipated my research would evolve into a critique."

Her initial expectation was to be pleasantly humoured, not to learn that Cuba had been hiding data and lying about the state of their healthcare system. She remarks: "After just a few months of research, however, it became increasingly obvious that many Cubans did not appear to have a very positive view of the health care system themselves. A number of people complained to me informally that their doctors were unhelpful, that the best clinics and hospitals only served political elites and that scarce medical supplies were often stolen from hospitals and sold on the black market. Further criticisms were leveled at the politicization of medical care, the unreliability of health data and the overall atmosphere of secrecy surrounding the prevalence of certain infectious diseases such as HIV and tuberculosis. Anecdotes of medical malpractice and bureaucratic mismanagement seemed common. The Cuban health care system, as described by Cubans in informal speech, seemed quite different from the Cuban health care system as described by North American social scientists and public health researchers"

TL:DR -- if you don't count most infant deaths then you'll have lower infant mortality.

>>126218504
Remarking on the secrecy she found: "Public criticism of the government is a crime in Cuba, and penalties are severe. Formally eliciting critical narratives about health care would be viewed as a criminal act both for me as a researcher, and for people who spoke openly with me. As a result it can be very difficult for foreign researchers or other outsiders to perceive popular dissatisfaction, and few Cubans are willing to discuss dynamics of power and social control in a forthright manner" — the Cuban government blocks free speech about everything, but these matters are of special note.

Beyond the fake image of Cuba propounded by the dictatorship, the reality is far more dismal: material shortages and inefficiencies, politicised health and healthcare, forced abortions, false statistics (for instance, not counting babies that die shortly after birth as having lived at all, so as to reduce official mortality rates), criminalised dissent and protest, denials of individual rights, and outright denial of care for many of those not involved in the party alongside many other problems that have come to necessitate black market care in many areas.

Remarking on the lies propagated by the Cuban state: "When issues of state power and social control are factored into the analysis, it becomes possible to see how Cuba’s health indicators are at least in some cases obtained by imposing significant costs on the Cuban population — costs that Cuban citizens are powerless to articulate or protest, and foreign researchers unable to empirically investigate."

>>126218303
>facebook memes are now facts

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>>126213205
nice song

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>>126218342
>ANYTHING THAT IS NOT COMMUNISM IS CAPITALISM

my god we've reached propaganda levels which shouldn't even be possible

>>126218354
>Hitler was not a Marxist in

So, he was either a Marxist or a liar. I know he was a liar from other instances of lying, so let's keep it up.

>>126218051
>Hmm, they collectivised..
> we note DEGREES of collectivism and socialisation

Are you contradicting yourself, or are you articulating yourself poorly? Collectivisation as a principle has been practiced on an off since the 1870s it is no more inherently socialist than universal healthcare is, it especially makes sense for a state that is preparing for war within six years to make use of it. It is simple pragmatism, the Nazis concessions towards the Mittelstand, the Reich Food Law concessions towards Farmers, and the treatment of the Agrarian and Industrial Elite was profoundly unsocialist. Everything had to benefit the state yeah, but you were free to make profit, and not everyone was equal.

Arguing over what Hitler said is pointless considering the man changed his mind over what his views were several times before breakfast each morning

Go back to /leftypol/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fk5iGkp27M
this is one also inspires

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>>126218844
>preparing for war within six years to make use of it

*mongering for war*

>It is simple pragmatism, the Nazis concessions towards the Mittelstand, the Reich Food Law concessions towards Farmers, and the treatment of the Agrarian and Industrial Elite was profoundly unsocialist.

Ah, ja, restricting trade so farmers couldn't access capital goods anymore was totally "unsocialist."

Back out, Lefty.

>Everything had to benefit the state yeah, but you were free to make profit, and not everyone was equal.

Complete lie. Cf. "The Vampire Economy."

>Arguing over what Hitler said is pointless considering the man changed his mind over what his views were several times before breakfast each morning

What a "great" leader.

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>>126218833

>States he is a Marxist
>Is proven not to be a Marxist

Boyo that was all I was arguing, I am well aware Hitler lied. I said he gave lip service in my quotes where I showed he was not a Marxist, nigh every politician lies.

I can give you other examples like the Day of Potsdam where he promised the Catholic Zentrum Party that the Catholic Church will not be inferered with, before proceeding to do so. before signing a Concordat with the Pope promising he would not interfere again, before doing so.

No NatSoc is going to say Hitler never lied if they actually studied History

The fact that there are still real communists living today despite so many failures is ludicrous.

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>>126218580
>>126218751
Let's face it:

1. The Godless Commies lost in Spain
Spain thrived.

2. The Soviets failed to conquer all of Finland, taking only the hinterland and a few minor cities

Finland thrived under a democratic-fashy government in the Cold war.

Germany lost the war, but at least they stopped the Red plague from spreading all over Europe, so East Germany was their furthest extent.

http://imgur.com/a/6P9U0

Patton wanted to re-arm the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS and destroy the Soviet Union.
>>126219021
It makes me so sad to see this Communist praise coming from a fellow Russian.

If the Russian people ever find out what the Jews did to them during Communism, the 4th Reich will appear in Russia, not Germany.

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>>126219021
Sure is, though I prefer original Russian version

>>126212151
you & your comrades rope yourselves!

>>126219202
maybe because the catholic party did something that interfered with the NSDAP or the state?

give links and books

>>126215582
So now we've moved on from Schacht being the genius behind Germany's recovery that hitler and friends had cut off in order to take credit for the economy to being a full-on internationalist jewish-aligned banker that THEY WERE JUSTIFIED IN REMOVING.

Which will it be?

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>>126216672
>Using fascism and Nazi economics on the same space
They are two different things you idiot, Mussolini's Italy and Hitlers Germany had two separate economic systems they were not alike.

>>126219202
>is proven not to be

Where?

He was little more than a Fabian.

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>>126219496
theyre fighting with themselves and cant even pick a side

hitler cut off the rothschild central bank system but he also took money from them to fund his war against the soviet union which was pretty much owned by jews and britain whos war against germany was also funded by international jewry through america who supplied them with equipment

so the result is that the international jewry waged war against themselves through america, soviet union, germany and britain and france...

yeah that makes sense
>>126219620
i know its not, its just from a link i used and coppied

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>>126219457
You first, show me how to do it because I'm not so sure.

>>126212151
Fact: No self respecting man can call himself a communist, socialist, or Marxist of any kind.

>>126219049
>Mongering

What? The entire Nazi political ideology was preparing for a war, mongering is not the Word. Mongering implies it was for no reason, it was not, it was an extremely important part of the ideology

>"The Vampire Economy

>The author was prior to World War II a member of the Communist Party of Germany

This brings into question the validity of his statements, and also means that his own biases could have tailoured it espeically considering

>Ah, ja, restricting trade so farmers couldn't access capital goods anymore was totally "unsocialist."

Along with Tax Concessions, grants to buy back land, on top of the Middle Class being given money to rehire servants, the Mittelstand being given tax concessions and grants to re-open their business and big business like Krupp and Rheinmetall being given encouragements I really do not see this as particularly leftist unless you are some pure Anarcho-Capitalist or something.

>What a "great" leader.

He did pretty well considering the circumstances especially considering he basically built and ideology and then tried to work it into a way that could take over Germany.

>>126219259
The truth is - Russia did it wrong(!), and gave wrong example to the world

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>>126219990
fact: you're projecting

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>>126220022
the russian people were never behind communism or the red revolution

the red revolution is the result of almost exclusively jews who were predominantly from america

churchill and the us state intelligence and the us ambassador to russia at the time confirm this

as well as historical documents

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>>126212151
Get your disgusting communist freeloader hippie shit out of here you fuck

>>126220015
>it was an extremely important part of the ideology

That's why he kept calling for peace, eh?

>This brings into question the validity of his statements, and also means that his own biases could have tailoured it espeically considering

You're saying it brings into question all of the business data he has? Hmm.

>Along with Tax Concessions, grants to buy back land, on top of the Middle Class being given money to rehire servants, the Mittelstand being given tax concessions and grants to re-open their business and big business like Krupp and Rheinmetall being given encouragements I really do not see this as particularly leftist unless you are some pure Anarcho-Capitalist or something.

Entirely Leftist, a la Keynes. Concessions in name only, since they instead financed their actions with debt.

>He did pretty well considering the circumstances especially considering he basically built and ideology and then tried to work it into a way that could take over Germany.

Ruined Germany*

>>126219881
You know precisely how. First you establish a Communist government, then you starve to death.
Oh wait that doesn't involve a rope.

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>>126215415
I'm out. Enjoy the Socialism/Totalitarianism/Fascism facts.

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>>126216850
>reypling to spam of blank macro posts instead of reporting the rule violations until the faggot who refuses to do his job as a mod gets booted

>>126219466
>catholic party

The Zentrum did nothing they voted for the 1933 Enabling Pact because Hitler promised them that the Catholic Church would not be interfered with however due to the prevelance of Catholic schools preventing Nazi influence over the youth among other things they were revoked. Don't have a specific book on me for this one atm, but I will go find one in a tad, although you could just search it desu.

>>126219259
>>126220022
also if you know russian lang, you might also take a look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxng2RVcQrs

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>>126220569
Not your personal safe space. You don't want to hurt your feefees+ Go to 8/pol/.

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>>126212151

Ancient Egyptians believed the afterlife was Fully Automated Luxury Communism.

Seems nothing has changed, truly a retarded belief system.

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>>126220268
>That's why he kept calling for peace, eh?

While privately preparing for War yeah, he wanted to see how much he could get without firing a shot.

>This brings into question the validity of his statements, and also means that his own biases could have tailoured it espeically considering

How does a KPD member get these statistics, where did he find them, does he say? In 1939 how is someone known to be a former member of the Communist Party privy to the inner workings of the Nazi economy

>> Ruined Germany

Hardly Germany was ruined before and it was ruined after just worse, besides the post war economic recovery plan revitalised Germany

>
Entirely Leftist, a la Keynes. Concessions in name only, since they instead financed their actions with debt.

You are an Anarcho-Capitalist aren't you,

>>126220601
uhh well of course he would interfere if the catholics had too much influence over german children

the children of germany are german first, catholic later

>>126220215
Lenin was ruski, they thought about jew/goyim but about the ((people))
Soviet Russia wasn't jewish

>>126221091

Does not change that he broke his promise, I am not faulting him I am just saying that this was a regular thing for him

>>126221138
*they haven't thought

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The bourgeoisie must be liquidated.

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>>126220844
You ignored all my questions and critiques yesterday faggot. Even if /pol/ is 75% retarded, the other 25% will always destroy you faggots in a debate. There's a reason you leftists haven't been able to post here since /n/.

>>126221214
dont pretend that the zentrum party and catholics never did any bad shit

i mean i agree hitler fucked up several times and big ones

but he was not a plain liar like stalin or a drunken fool like churchill
>>126221138
pretty much all of the major politicians and the people in power as well as the communist party members and the nkvd as well as the Cheka were jewish...

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>>126221425
>The bourgeoisie must be liquidated.
>After I find out how to feed my people

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>>126221618
Do you not have a job Pablo? You post in every one of these threads every single day and you can't even be bothered to discuss anything; all you do is dump the same images over and over. If you're unemployed, wouldn't you be the first one sent to the gulags?

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>>126216967
>dead ideology

>>126212151
Hello comrade! Revolution when?

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>>126221798
>Not starving
Absolut bourgeoisie

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>>126222085
Very soon

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>>126222194
>>126222085

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>>126222175
> supporting anything besides mass casualties from starvation
The eternal commi problem

>>126221651
thats not true, you maybe heard this
>Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish
I did research - thats not true, max 10-15%

>>126222175
yay propaganda

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>>126222364

>>126222386
Show us your research and sources then.

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Reminder that (((Bolsheviks))) were mainly kikes that wanted to implement (((Communism))) in all of Europe and Russia. They also were directly responsible for the German Revolution in 1918. So in other words, (((Commies))) indirectly created National Socialism

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>>126222459
> posting on capitalist machinery

Repeating the 'history' meme. There has never been a truly communist government.

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>>126214182
Is Tito okay?

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>>126212151
When is the revolution?

>>126222499

-> >>126222386

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Proponents of capitalism argue that the real living standards of those on low pay are better raised by allowing the whole economy to grow. As it grows, those at the bottom of the social heap will benefit from wealth that ‘trickles down’ from the top.
The falsity of this argument can be seen by looking at the figures.
The long term rate of growth of the UK economy is 2.5 percent per annum(1993).

How many years would it take a woman earning the median wage to get up to £300 per week at this growth rate? The answer is 30 years: check it on your calculator. Socialist redistribution could achieve directly what would otherwise take the better part of a working lifetime. With socialism the employee can have her cake and eat it too. She gets a once and for all rise in income through redistribution, but economic growth does not stop, so she will continue to enjoy rising earnings year by year.

>>126212151

How many more millions of people need to die before you see that communism cannot work

Anyone who has the power to distribute wealth evenly is either a maniacal dictator or will soon be murdered and replaced by one. Communism does not work, and will not ever work.

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Look at how much they refuse to accept the fact that Lenin is THE MOST POWERFUL BEING IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE right now.
Literally, since aliens are still science fiction, calling Lenin the most powerful being in the known universe is actually factually accurate. (unless Posadists have proof of advanced alien civilization , in which case please share!)
And to console themselves of this CRUSHING fact, they make him seem small.
Does your little photoshop edit make you feel better?
Does it make all the scary feelings go away?
Does it make you feel morally superior to oppose the person that the establishment imperialist bourgeois want you to oppose?
Show your photoshop picture to CHEKA agents when they take away your wage labor. Oops I mean kulaks. Oops I mean enemies of the people. Yeah because lying to yourself by changing words works just as well as lying to yourself by photoshoping a picture.
But hey, I bet you're super tall right? Can we get a time stamp image of you towering at 7' 4? I guess Lenin at 5'5 would seem short to you. But for most people, that is actually pretty tall. OH! I'm sorry! I didn't mean to scare you again! I'm sorry honey. No no, He is small like you widdle picture showed. Hush now darling, it's okay. Mean old bad man who wants to improve your life is tiny just like you depicted. It's not like he is in control of bolsheviks, millions of men who pledged their undying loyalty to him, infantry, cavalry, and even millions of regular citizens (who you walk amongst every day) who would gladly pick up arms and fight for him if push came to shove.
Nope, since you made a photoshop image of him being tiny, he is tiny. Because you are a menshevik and reality is what YOU decide it is. Reality is a capitalist bourgeois construct don't cha know? Just close your eyes and hum a soothing tune. Live your life bouncing between absolute fear and madness. That'll win you the needed votes by 1917

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>>126222674
>As it grows
Commis are still struggling with that

>>126222591
There have been plenty of Socialist governments and they all went up in flames. China and Russia are the only two former Socialist countries that are doing fine. Russia is still recovering from Socialism and China is more of a republic now than anything else.

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>>126222807
>they make him seem small
Less fuel for the helicopter seems fine to me

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>>126222085
>>126222194
I'm gonna need a date, because you've been saying "very soon" for decades now. It's like Christians saying that Jesus will return "soon" but by soon what they really mean is "between now and when the universe experiences heat death".

>>126221425
Commies are a joke. "bourgeoisie" is a fucking bourgeois word. No way a fucking retarded poor moron would even know what it is. And you keep it in french just to sound smarter. You are the bourgeoisie

>>126222483
hes bluffing lol
>>126222386
The Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party:

Krylenko Russian
Lounatcharski Russian
Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW
Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW
Lourie (Larine) JEW
Ouritski JEW
Volodarski JEW
Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) JEW
Smidovitch JEW
Sverdlof (Yankel) JEW
Nakhamkes (Steklof) JEW

The Council of the People’s Commissars:

Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
Agriculture Protian Armenian
Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW
Economic Council Lourie (Larine) JEW
Food Schlichter JEW
Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW
State Control Lander JEW
State Lands Kauffman JEW
Works V. Schmidt JEW
Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) JEWess
Religions Spitzberg JEW
Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW
Hygiene Anvelt JEW
Finance Isidore Goukovski JEW
Press Volodarski JEW
Elections Ouritski JEW
Justice I. Steinberg JEW
Refugees Fenigstein JEW
Refugees (assist.) Savitch JEW
Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski JEW
>>126222621
as far as i know, no
-he is responsible for mass killings of serbian - croatian and slovenian intellectuals, nationalists and anti-communists in the tens of thousands and the subsequent torture of their families in the most bloodthirsty ways
-he also built his country in a national bolshevik way that unlike hitlers socialism, actually WAS built on debts that we are still paying off today
ive heard a theory that he was a jew from around krakow, spoke yiddish and became involved with the NKVD with stalin and did several assassinations and subversions all over europe, he was eventually sent to yugoslavia to subvert over there as well, and to pose as a fucking locksmith that was killed a few years prior
then he and his commies and the pro british zionists funded a coup detat that signed a non-agression pact with the soviet union and basically told the germans and hitler to fuck himself and told him the deal (tripartite pact)

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>>126212151

Don't use Finnish proxies to push communism.
We still remember our past.

>>126222659
>not providing a source
Even if the Bolsheviks were only 20% Jewish, that doesn't change the fact that they tried to destroy Germany from the inside out. That's one of the main reasons Hitler wanted kikes out of Europe, the other being that (((they))) controlled all of the major banks and stabbed Germany in the back before WWI

>>126222807
Why are /leftypol/ nigs so notoriously unfunny. Its just shitty slavaboo memes mixed with a bunch of random edgy shit.

>>126223250
I'm a Finn, though. And you clearly don't remember it fully, seeing as you fail to remember that people like have been part of this country longer than this shithole has been independent.

>>126223296
There is not a single funny right wing meme.

SOCIAL ACHIEVEMENTS USSR:

-First and totally FREE public education system, which achieved the highest rates of literacy in history in the 15 Soviet republics.
-Moreover, Soviet schools offered free food for students, so the work-life balance is made much easier than today in the capitalist countries. Even kindergartens were also free.

-First FREE and universal health care system, which increased the life expectancy of the Soviets, less than 40 years in 1917, to reach Western levels in 80 (70 years). The achievements of hunger eradication and health systems can also compare with the average height of the Soviets in 1917 (1,60 m) to 1980 (1,80 m). This health system discovered painless childbirth and performed the first organ transplant.

-Between 1945 and 1964, the Soviet national income grew by 570%, compared to 55% in the USA (and remember that the USSR was not a Marshal Plan to help the country)
Invention of evening studies so that workers could build careers.

-First country in history where abortion was legal and free (since 1920)

-First country in history to achieve an unemployment rate at 0%

-Equality policies, one of the first countries to adopt women's suffrage

-First woman in history to hold a position in a government (Aleksandra Kollontai)

>>126222621
and also, at one point all our ministers were jews who somehow magically survived the holohoax lmao

>>126212151
Please take your murderous ideology somewhere else,
I am a happy guy w/ a family and decent income, thankful to be born in Capitalist America (basically closest thing to heaven on earth)
Go ruin another country berniebros

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>>126223437
Have a funny left-wing meme

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>>126223572
>-First country in history where abortion was legal and free (since 1920)
All commis should make use of it

>>126223437
Neither is there a single funny left wing meme. Most of it is just "HAHA SOVIET UNION GUYS XD LENIN AND MARX WITH A PICTURE OF A PIG WEARING A TOP HAT XDXDXXD"

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>>126223621
>murderous
Capitalism seem to be pretty popular around these parts, though. You sure you want to kill the whole board?

>>126223572
have you ever lived in a communist country?

have you any idea what communist propaganda and education have done to my people?

you disgusting freak! ill have none of this non sense anymore!

communism is a lie and my parents and grandparents can testify that it is the most miserable excuse for an ideology ever

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>he unironically wants a tyranny of the least and the dumbest
Marxism was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.

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>>126223773
>Capitalism seem to be pretty popular
Feeding and sustaining your population has its perks.
But commis would not understand it.

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>>126223773
When is the revolution?

>>126212151
>Communism
>next stage of society

Hahahah deluded fuck. The _conservation_of industrial era mentality and misery and the transfer of materials is what you're offering - more of the same but from 100 years ago! Litetally promoting regression and suffering for all.

Communists >>>/helicopter/

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>>126223437
You're a disgrace to your ancestors and deserve a bullet in your head.

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>>126224010
Pretty sure my grandfather is proud of me, matey.

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>>126224010
Hear, hear!

Cheeki breeki IV danke!
Communism is the way to achieve a state of true Union

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>>126224239
>Communism is the way to achieve a state of true Union
I guess death would count as true union.
Go commis, achieve your dream!

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>>126224147
>proud of a loser who probably doesn't even have a job
>mfw

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>>126224451
>posts a man who was killed by communists
weak should fear the strong

>>126223244
http://ldn-knigi.lib.ru/JUDAICA/Evrei-Rossii_1917-1924.htm
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%A4%D0%A1%D0%A0#.D0.9D.D0.B0.D1.86.D0.B8.D0.BE.D0.BD.D0.B0.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B9_.D1.81.D0.BE.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.B2

>national-capitalist bullshit

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1 - Russian 2 - Jews

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>>126224557
Weak should fear the strong indeed.

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>>126224557
When is the revolution?

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>>126224147
My great grandfather hunted down, lined up and shot communists like pigs in the civil war.

Selvät traumat jäi sun omaan pesäänsä sontivien kommarihuorien sukuun.

>>126224565
link broke nigga

>>126224557
>joins three different armies to fight off the Communist menace
>kills hundreds of soulless monsters
Not to mention he died in the US army in the Vietnam War, he still destroyed the red army.

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>>126224840
>winter war
>USSR victory

>continuation war
>USSR victory

Weak should fear the strong, indeed.

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>>126225085
> USSR
> victory

>>126225085
1 Finnish farmer vs 1000 soviet troopers who wins? :^)

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>>126225085
>implying Stalin didn't willingly kill off most of his troops in Stalingrad
>implying more deaths means you still win
I don't know why you faggots suck Stalin's cock like you do. Lenin was arguably better, although they were both pieces of shit that only cared about themselves

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>>126225085
>didn't respond
You're just a proxyslav, aren't you?

>>126225187
ostereich here is rite

you commies are a joke

>>126212151
fucking kill yourself

>>126225432
He probably can't even speak Finnish without using Jewgle translate

>>126224939
Coвeт нapoдных кoмиccapoв PCФCP > Haциoнaльный cocтaв

>>126214449
didnt know they had gay marriage in spain then

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>>126225187
Both of those wars, indeed. And whole world war 2, consider reading about it. It was pretty interesting time.

>>126225432
Enpä taida olla

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>>126225614
When is the revolution?

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What's going on here?

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>>126225614
>It was pretty interesting time.
>WAS
Oh no what happened anon?

>>126224908
He was a good man. Here's to hoping they start their revolution soon so I can follow the path of good men like your great grandfather.

>>126225614
Joo et selvästikkään.
Yritä ny edes saatanan lahopää

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>>126225764
<-

>>126225801
USSR won, and there was massive parade to celebrate it. Seriously, read a history about it or at least watch a documentary.

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>>126225616
this is ridiculous, communism itself aint opposed to freedom ! bring statue back!

>>126225910
Ei tarvitse yrittää kun näyttää ärsyttävän tällä tavalla. Menes nyt siitä itkemästä.

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>>126225614
>And whole world war 2
>with a little help from my friends, of course.
Post yfw communism can only win if it's propped up by western capitalists.

>>126225560
can confirm, he's proxyslav
all finnish flag posters that somehow are pro-communists are by default proxyslavs here

I don't know why, but russians have been posing as finns for some reason since last year

>>126225915

vittu oot nolo. miks et muuta Pohjois-Koreaan?

>>126215925
Every thread are those two and butthurt shitposters

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>>126226059
mees fedoraas kiikuttaa jonnekkin muualle autistinen akanpieksämä neitsyt luuseri

ainiin, sut taidettiinkin jo nauraa ulos naurunappulasta, vittu mikä pelle

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>>126226103
Brits did fuck all and US entered so late Germany was almost defeated

>>126226131
Ai niinkö? Kiva että tiedät minusta enemmän kuin minä itse. Mistäkö päin olen? Ukrainasta? Venäjältä? Vai Valko-Venäjältä?

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>>126225915
>USSR won
They must be a proud and strong nation still goin...oh wait!

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>>126226103
>Post yfw communism can only win if it's propped up by western capitalists.

You got that right.

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>>126226103
thats exactly why it failed.
"communist russia" only worked while it was selling the west oil
then it crashed

pretty hilarious how pathetic communists are.
has anyone here ever seen a well-adjusted, mentally stable and self sufficient communist? as far as ive seen, they're all literal subhumans

>>126226379
Sun äitis kellaris veikkaan.

>>126226455
Seems to be a trend with allied countries, UK is Pakistan and USA is Greater Israel. :^)

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>>126225988

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>>126226587
>And USSR is gone

>>126226711
So are 3 other allied countries. And yours isn't even real country.

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True freedom.

>>126226865
you're free to leave capitalist society any time
except once you go to your communist utopia you can't come back, they have to have gunmen at the borders to shoot the people running, swimming and climbing their way out of it

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>>126212151
You are a gigantic faggot and I will wipe you off the map with my ultimate dragoon. Get bent cunt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if8YvZG800c

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>>126212151
Did that Spanish commie get a new ebin Finnish communist buddy?
>>126212809
There's a difference when Cuba has far less niggers. Also what this >>126218504 guy said.

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>>126226845
Check the flag, seems pretty real to me.
Lets do the same with the USSR...oh wait!

>>126212151

An ideology that has less to do with actual reality than the Jedi religion does.

>>126226587
Neuvostoliitto hävis kummatkin sodat. Suomi jäi valloittamatta, demokratia säilyi ja neuvostoliitto hajosi jonka jälkeläinen Venäjä on vain säälittävä pystyyn mätänevä jättömaata, jota koulun jättäneet aivovammaiset autistit ihannoivat.

Venäjä ei pystyisi kyykyttää suomea tänäänkään koska sen maavoimat on jaettu niin pitkälle rajalinjalle että jäljelle jää vain pari divisioonaa persaukisia alikoulutettuja Igoreita ruostuneilla bemareilla ja Iraqista tuttujen paskatankeilla. Venäjä todennäköisesti hajoais sen kolmannen ja viimeisen kerran kesken sodan, kiina nappaisi itselle siperian ja EU/NATO jakaisi keskenään mitä huvittaa.

Elät ihan selvästi omissa maailmoissa kaukana todellisuudesta, ei päähän poljettu hinttarikaan ole noin saatanan tyhmä kuin sinä. Kaikista vassarivammaisten syvimmistä puolueissa ollaan samaa mieltä että Suomi päihitti neuvostoliiton pitkässä juoksussa.

>>126226711
Putin is in the process of raising it from the dead.

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Communsim fucking sucks.

You deserve death
fucking commie scum


imma lynch you, fucking fags.

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>>126227459
>Putin is in the process of raising it from the dead.

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>>126212151

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>>126226865

>>126215534
Hey remember that time fascism worked in establishing a permanent white ethnostate with traditional values? Me neither.

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>give me your redpills /leftypol/
Specifically, the work you do is always worth more than what you are paid, because the capitalist can sell whatever it is you produce for more than you were paid in wages. The productive forces of our society are controlled by a tiny elite instead of by the people, so what ends up happening is that millions of proles sweat their lives away while the porky bastards windsurf in Hawaii.
To put it in terms you might be more familiar with, capitalists are the ultimate welfare queens.
>my stance on hatred of jews and niggers will never change.
To say that your position on any topic will never change is to declare yourself to be beyond reason. That said, those "jews" and "evil niggers" are your natural allies regardless of what you think about them, because they are being exploited just like you are. The leftist position on racism is as much about pragmatism as it is about a commitment to equality.

The basic gist is that capitalism is inherintly broken.
Companies want to make as much money as possible which means paying works the smallest amount possible.
Eventually workers can't afford to buy things, meaning the whole system collapses.
Currently with automation we are going to see a huge loss of jobs that will make the concept of full employment obsolete - so who is going to buy things?
Communism isn't some grand fucking conspiracy about race or western civilization - its just a question of economics.

Nope. Out.

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>>126227818
Nope. Not out.

>>126227715
go back to leftypol
>a question of economics.
one that obviously fails on an ontological level because successful people will always be a class above plebs like you.

>>126221021
>that skin color
proof that modern greeks aren't white

>>126228344
>Using the white/coloured american pleb tier dichotomy

The correct term is mediterranean. Aka the race who gave birth to civilization. Since antiquity, greeks have been described as olive skinned.

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>>126228700
I hope your economy bottoms out again you turk rapebaby

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>>126229392