CATHOLIC GENERAL: READ THE SUMMA EDITION

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https://www.youtube.com/user/onearmsteve4192/featured
Recommended catholic YouTube channel.

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>>126204206
>Luther said the Pope is the anti-Christ
>K. What gives Luther authority tospeak on such matters?
>He's an ordained priest
>Ordained & trained in the Church headed by the anti-Christ?

Really makes me cogitate

>>126204378
Second this

>>126204833
>What gives Luther authority tospeak on such matters?
The bible

Anyone else noticing an increase in the amount of anti-christian threads?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnalPZl4krk&list=FLVSKwtoJzzinFhHz39hhqBg&index=20

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>>126205111
/r/the_donald is multiplying

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>>126205095
You mean the Bible collated by the Catholic Church?

>>126204833
>implying one day Luther was like, "Hey guys, I don't think..." and then BOOM reformation happened.

Catholicism is a branch of Christianity. A sect. End of discussion.

Great video on Divine Mercy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWFeM-Rper0&list=FLVSKwtoJzzinFhHz39hhqBg&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBckoWr2Vs8&list=FLVSKwtoJzzinFhHz39hhqBg&index=19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq79hZdhjO0&list=FLVSKwtoJzzinFhHz39hhqBg&t=3s&index=4

The Jesuits are actually the good guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUUL4bLC2_I

>>126205418
it's a heresy my friend

>>126205111
Satan struggles where he doesn't revel.

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>>126205111
I'd be worried if there wasn't anon. Shows we are doing something right

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>>126205198
Thanks for these anon

>>126205413
>implying Catholics wrote the Bible.
There they go again. Catholics taking credit for every single thing Western Civilization ever produced?

>>126205418
It's the only branch of Christianity, a church founded by Jesus Christ himself. End of Discussion

>>126205413
If you believe the bible because of the church, it's not the bible you believe but the church. You have not a shred of faith in God, but all of your faith is in fallible men. And so do you nullify the word of God for traditions of men.
>>126205418
Catholics aren't Christian

>>126205553
>it's a heresy my friend
Well I agree Catholicism is a heresy.

>>126205602
>not even implying, but blatantly saying 'collated' means 'wrote'

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>>126205602
Protestants didn't contribute to anything other than the Enlightenment. This church for example was build by Catholics and stolen by protestants, just one out of thousands

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How to pick up my catholicism again after abandoning it for so many years?

>>126205095
>the Bibke he removed three books from because he disagreed with some of the verses
Okay sweetie.

>>126205643
>It's the only branch of Christianity, a church founded by Jesus Christ himself.
You're right. Christianity was founded by Christ himself. Good job, Catholic! You're learning!
>>126205677
>Catholics aren't Christian
I know the leadership isn't. I'm trying to help the people raised/born into it who don't know any better.
>>126205748
>>not even implying, but blatantly saying 'collated' means 'wrote'
This is what the Catholic actually believes (is told).
>>126205867
>Protestants didn't contribute to anything other than the Enlightenment.
This is what the Catholic actually believes (is told).

>>126205905
For me it was reading books like Robert Barron's "Catholicism" and watching a lot of youtube videos.

>>126205677
>the eucharist is a symbol
"This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus."

"First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155.

"God has therefore announced in advance that all the sacrifices offered in His name, which Jesus Christ offered, that is, in the Eucharist of the Bread and of the Chalice, which are offered by us Christians in every part of the world, are pleasing to Him."

"Dialogue with Trypho", Ch. 117, circa 130-160 A.D.

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachias, one of the twelve, as follows: 'I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord; and I will not accept your sacrifices from your hands; for from the rising of the sun until its setting, my name has been glorified among the gentiles; and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a clean offering: for great is my name among the gentiles, says the Lord; but you profane it.' It is of the sacrifices offered to Him in every place by us, the gentiles, that is, of the Bread of the Eucharist and likewise of the cup of the Eucharist, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it."

-"Dialogue with Trypho", [41: 8-10]

Explain

Your church is obviously corrupt as fuck, but I'm willing to consider the possibility that the "Catholicism is the oldest form of Christianity," argument has some validity. Tell me, who originally decided on the interpretation of the bible that you guys hold to be divine and the only correct interpretation?

>>126205911
Slanderous lies
>>126205867
The Enlightenment came from Catholic France, the Counter-Enlightenment came from Protestant Germany

>>126204833
>>Ordained & trained in the Church headed by the anti-Christ?
Yes.
The pope:
>Says Islam has the same god
>Says hell isn't real and as long as you lubb god you go to heaven reguardless of sin
>Believes in global warming propaganda
>Says homosexuality isn't a sin
>Speaks openly against nationalist movements
>Blesses gay marriage
>Absolves abortion
At the least, he is the false prophet.

>>126206199
This is false. It started in Britain

>>126205905
Do you actually believe or do you want to? (doesn't make a difference to me, just my advice will depend on the answer?
Also, are you actually Dutch? Reason I ask,is I think an important part of strengthening one's faith is reading about the saints, & I think it especially beneficial to read about the saints of your country

>>126206123
No one individual. The Bible makes sense under the context of the Eucharist which is older than the Bible itself. Biblical Professor Scott Hahn explains this well

>>126205905
Confession if you're confirmed then humility and prayer and mass.

>>126206123
>but I'm willing to consider the possibility that the "Catholicism is the oldest form of Christianity," argument has some validity
It's not, but the only reason you question it is because of Catholics murderous rampages against anything they disagreed with or who didn't pay. Surely, that's what Jesus taught.

Guys!!!
My girlfriend got pregnant when i was in the army, she tells me that could not happen because she is still a virgin, and i believe in her, the only racional explanation is that God impregnated her.
I think i will be the dad of the next Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm so happy!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>126205328
/r/the_donald = everything we percieve as negative?
I don't think the 'pedes' are anti-christian.

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>>126205591
Yeah, I know. It's just very tiring, especially when they argue that christianity is bluepilled. Some /pol/lacks are very cold hearted.

>>126206340
Tell me when the early church fathers into sola fide

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>>126206436
No. I've grown tired of you. You're just not worth saving.

You worship the early Catholic fathers. Jews who usurped Catholicism because they got eternally BTFO and Catholics were eager to bend over and take it in the ass (it's kinda their thing).

Enjoy eternal damnation.

>>126206304
Yes, I'm from Limburg which is traditionally a catholic province. I actually believe but after years of television and internet I've grown to despise the church, but I'm feeling strongly that view is false.
Thanks for the advise, I will look up the saints of my country.

>>126206674
>I hate the early christians

>>126206674
>Irenaeus, Ignatius, justin
>Jews
PRODDIE false witness

>>126206436
In Romans 4:5-8

The Age of Enlightenment was preceded by and closely associated with the scientific revolution.[8] Earlier philosophers whose work influenced the Enlightenment included Francis Bacon, René Descartes, John Locke and Baruch Spinoza.[9] The major figures of the Enlightenment included Cesare Beccaria, Voltaire, Denis Diderot, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, David Hume, Adam Smith, and Immanuel Kant. Some European rulers, including Catherine II of Russia, Joseph II of Austria and Frederick II of Prussia, tried to apply Enlightenment thought on religious and political tolerance, which became known as enlightened absolutism.[10] Benjamin Franklin visited Europe repeatedly and contributed actively to the scientific and political debates there and brought the newest ideas back to Philadelphia. Thomas Jefferson closely followed European ideas and later incorporated some of the ideals of the Enlightenment into the Declaration of Independence (1776). Others like James Madison incorporated them into the Constitution in 1787.[11]

>>126205905
I've became convinced about catholicism when I read/listened to E Michael Jones' work. Then I listened to alot of other catholics on YouTube like Fulton Sheen.
I've only returned to Church since easter though, and I haven't muster up the courage to confess.

>>126205677
The Bible was written by men. The Bible was copied and handed down through the ages by men. The Bible was collected by men, chapterized by men, versified by men. The Bible was translated by men. The Bible is read and interpreted by men. Good thing those men are the Church founded and led by Jesus Christ and filled with the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't come to give us a book. He came to give us a Church.

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>>126206849
Meanwhile

how many catholics are there in the UK?
there is always one guy with UK flag defending catholicism in almost every thread

>judaizers accusing Catholics of being jews
wew

>>126206384
>/r/the_donald = everything we percieve as negative?
>I don't think the 'pedes' are anti-christian.

They're from reddit you fool. The global HQ of fedora tippers.

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>>126204378
Honestly made me think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWFeM-Rper0

>>126207126
p. 182 "Although Luther regarded justification as an essentially unitary process, he nevertheless introduced a decisive break with the western theological tradition as a whole by insisting that, through his justification, man is intrinsically sinful yet extrinsically righteous."
p. 184 "The significance of the Protestant distinction between justification and regeneration is that a fundamental discontinuity has been introduced into the western theological tradition where none had existed before. Despite the astonishingly theological diversity of the late medieval period, a consensus relating to the nature of justification was maintained throughout. The Protestant understanding of the nature represents a theological novum, whereas its understanding of its mode does not."

p. 36 "Augustine demonstrates of iustitia, effected only through man's justification, demonstrates how the doctrine of justification encompasses the whole of Christian existence from the first moment of faith through the increase in righteousness before God and man, to the final perfection of that righteousness in the eschatological city. Justification is about being made just."

Sell Catholicism to me. What does it have that other Christian denominations don't?

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>>126206123
Successive leaders of the Church convened councils &, over time, those councils decided on which books were indisputably authentic

>>126206713
My advice>
>Get the laudate app from the OP
>Read the 'Daily Readings' on the app
>Say your morning & night prayers (sounds easy, but you'll surprised how difficult it can be to find the energy)
>Find a sold parish & start going to mass (yu can't go to communion until you've been to confession)
>Eventually go to confession, but I appreciated this can be the hardest part so I won't rush you in to that

These, plus, as I said, try to find about saints from your country. If not, read up on other saints & read about their lives

>>126206713
I used to despise the Church as well, until I learnt how much is conspired against the Church.

>>126207250
p. 36 "Augustine demonstrates of iustitia, effected only through man's justification, demonstrates how the doctrine of justification encompasses the whole of Christian existence from the first moment of faith through the increase in righteousness before God and man, to the final perfection of that righteousness in the eschatological city. Justification is about being made just."

p. 185 "The medieval period was astonishingly faithful to the teaching of Augustine on the question of the nature of justification, where the reformers departed from it."

p. 186 "The essential feature of the Reformation doctrines of justification is that a deliberate and systematic distinction is made between justification and regeneration. Although it must be emphasized that this distinction is purely notional, in that it is impossible to separate the two within the context of the ordo sautis, THE ESSENTIAL POINT IS THAT A NOTIONAL DISTINCTION IS MADE WHERE NONE HAD BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE. A FUNDAMENTAL DISCONTINUITY WAS INTRODUCED INTO THE WESTERN THEOLOGICAL TRADITION WHERE NONE HAD EVER EXISTED, OR EVER BEEN CONTEMPLATED BEFORE. The Reformation understanding of the nature of justification - as opposed to its mode - must be regarded as a genuine theological novum."

p. 182 " Although Luther regarded justification as an essentially unitary process, he nevertheless introduced a decisive break with the western theological tradition as a whole by insisting that, through his justification, man is intrinsically sinful yet extrinsically righteous."

Source: Iustitia Dei

>>126203509
His hairstyle xDD

Why are pictures of 'holy peoples' so ugly and unattracitve? Everyone picture with Maria, Jesus, Saint Peter, Lukas etc. looks very idiotic.

>>126207413

Don't you prefer a lesbian woman as a bishop?

separated from God and sent to hell.

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 21 "You have heard that it was said to the men of old, 'You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.' 22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire.
Matthew 5:29-30 – Talking metaphorically Jesus says if a thing causes you to sin, it is better off to cut off body parts than suffer going to hell.
29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell . 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell .
Matthew 6:13-15 – If we are unforgiving we will lose God’s forgiveness.
13 And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. 14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Matthew 10:28 – We must have the fear of God, who can send us to hell over disobedience.
28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 12:32 – A sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven by God.
32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

So much for OSAS

>>126206931
I have a thesis for you. If the writings of St. Paul teach that justification is by faith alone, then the Roman Catholic Church is apostate, and Protestantism is true.
Let's test this theory:
And to the one that does not work, but believes in him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness, just as David speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works; "Blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin"
Romans 4:5-8

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>>126207579
Don't you prefer to eat shit?

>>126207624
separated from God and sent to hell.

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 21 "You have heard that it was said to the men of old, 'You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.' 22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire.
Matthew 5:29-30 – Talking metaphorically Jesus says if a thing causes you to sin, it is better off to cut off body parts than suffer going to hell.
29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell . 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell .
Matthew 6:13-15 – If we are unforgiving we will lose God’s forgiveness.
13 And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. 14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Matthew 10:28 – We must have the fear of God, who can send us to hell over disobedience.
28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 12:32 – A sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven by God.
32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Meanwhile.....

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>>126207570

>>126207355
>What does it have that other Christian denominations don't?
if you are to value denominations in this manner then trying to "sell" you catholicism wouldnt benefit you
try to change the way you "look" at this first. if you might have some trouble doing it then try to read some history about this topic

>>126207355
Art, history, culture, legitimacy, the crusades.

Dont worry about it though, its not for people like you.

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>>126207746
And from Biblical Scholarship

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>>126207570

>>126207760
wow, she is very sexy.

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>>126207797
>more biblical scholarship

>>126206849
>>126207624
Silly, anon. Catholics don't read the Gospel, let alone the rest of the Bible.

>>126206199
Luther outright removed the three deuterocanonical books because they support the doctrine of Purgatory.

He also wanted to remove Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation as well because they totally discredit his doctrines, but his followers stopped him.

So much for Sola Scriptura.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther%27s_canon

>>126207975
>sola fide
Meanwhile....


Romans 6:12-13, 16 – Sin can again reign in our body, it is possible to fall back into slavery to sin.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies, to make you obey their passions. 13 Do not yield your members to sin as instruments of wickedness, but yield yourselves to God as men who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments of righteousness…16 Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to any one as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?
Romans 8:12-13 – We will spiritually die if we live according to the flesh.
12 So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh-- 13 for if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live.
Romans 11:20-22 – If we do not continue in God’s kindness we will get cut off.
20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.

stop deifying mary

>>126207975
It's read every mass.

>>126208053
>because they support the doctrine of Purgatory.
You literally admit it's a Roman Catholic doctrine and wonder why they wanted them removed.

Catholics are truly retarded.

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Is there any good arguments for Roman Catholicism over Eastern Orthodoxy? Especially when you look at the state of the church today and how much drama/dysfunction there has been within the Latin church throughout history. Catholics are Christian as well as Orthodox, but which system is correct? Was a universal pope really a good idea? Especially mandating celibate priesthood, I feel more sympathy for the Eastern church especially when the Latin bishop tried to enforce these novel and arguably quite damaging traditions over the entire church.

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All Roman Catholics

>>126208053
The Didache

"You shall not waver with regard to your decisions [Sir. 1:28]. Do not be someone who stretches out his hands to receive but withdraws them when it comes to giving [Sir. 4:31]" (Didache 4:5 [ca. A.D. 70]).

Pseudo-Barnabas

"Since, therefore, [Christ] was about to be manifested and to suffer in the flesh, his suffering was foreshown. For the prophet speaks against evil, 'Woe to their soul, because they have counseled an evil counsel against themselves' [Isa. 3:9], saying, 'Let us bind the righteous man because he is displeasing to us' [Wis. 2:12.]" (Epistle of Barnabas 6:7 [ca. A.D. 74]).

Clement

"By the word of his might [God] established all things, and by his word he can overthrow them. 'Who shall say to him, "What have you done?" or who shall resist the power of his strength?' [Wis. 12:12]" (Epistle to the Corinthians 27:5 [ca. A.D. 80]).

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>>126207880
She's a holy woman, a bride of Christ, she's beautiful not "sexy"

>>126208119
lol. In Latin.

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>>126208102
Meanwhile....

>>126206279
Unless he explicitly invokes the authority of his office and speaks ex cathedra, Catholics don't have to listen to anything the Pope says. Those are just the opinions of a man as quoted by journalists (professional liars).

>>126203509
Fuck off. This isn't >>>/x/, this is not the place for you to circlejerk about your superstition.

>>126208250
Irenaeus

"Those . . . who are believed to be presbyters by many, but serve their own lusts and do not place the fear of God supreme in their hearts, but conduct themselves with contempt toward others and are puffed up with the pride of holding the chief seat [Matt. 23:6] and work evil deeds in secret, saying 'No man sees us,' shall be convicted by the Word, who does not judge after outward appearance, nor looks upon the countenance, but the heart; and they shall hear those words to be found in Daniel the prophet: 'O you seed of Canaan and not of Judah, beauty has deceived you and lust perverted your heart' [Dan. 13:56]. You that have grown old in wicked days, now your sins which you have committed before have come to light, for you have pronounced false judgments and have been accustomed to condemn the innocent and to let the guilty go free, although the Lord says, 'You shall not slay the innocent and the righteous' [Dan. 13:52, citing Ex. 23:7]" (Against Heresies 4:26:3 [ca. A.D. 190]; Dan. 13 is not in the Protestant Bible).

Irenaeus

"Jeremiah the prophet has pointed out that as many believers as God has prepared for this purpose, to multiply those left on the earth, should both be under the rule of the saints and to minister to this [new] Jerusalem and that [his] kingdom shall be in it, saying, 'Look around Jerusalem toward the east and behold the joy which comes to you from God himself. Behold, your sons whom you have sent forth shall come: They shall come in a band from the east to the west. . . . God shall go before with you in the light of his splendor, with the mercy and righteousness which proceed from him' [Bar. 4:36- 5:9]" (ibid. 5:35:1 [ca. A.D. 190]; Baruch was often reckoned as part of Jeremiah, as it is here).

>>126208292
viking funeral pile

>>126208152
What's wrong with celibate priesthood? Jesus was celibate too.

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>>126205111
No, but I've been seeing increase in these christcucks shitpost threads.

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>>126208314
>>125637346

Fuck off plebbit

>>126208460
They are deifying him by protestant standards

>>126206356
If an angel visits you and tells you your baby is the Messiah then you might want to give her the benefit of the doubt.

1 Corinthians 3:13-17 – Judgment of our works, we will be destroyed by God if we destroy God’s temple.

13 each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. 16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17 If any one destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and that temple you are.
1 Corinthians 6:8-11 – Corinthian believers are acting sinfully. Such actions, including immorality, lead to our disinheritance. We are deceived if we think otherwise.
8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud, and that even your own brethren. 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

>>126208212
>a bride
??
Jesus had a bride?

>>126208463

There's nothing wrong with it, but should it really be mandatory universally? There's a reason why the church is filled with homosexual priests

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>>126208471
DEUS VULT

>>126206279
Islam has the same God, as it is the God of Abraham. They do not have the same interpretation of God and reject Jesus as the resurrected Logos.

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>>126208623
Yes

Get used to it

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>>126208676
They don't have the same God anymore than atheists have the same God.

Hippolytus

"What is narrated here [in the story of Susannah] happened at a later time, although it is placed at the front of the book [of Daniel], for it was a custom with the writers to narrate many things in an inverted order in their writings. . . . [W]e ought to give heed, beloved, fearing lest anyone be overtaken in any transgression and risk the loss of his soul, knowing as we do that God is the judge of all and the Word himself is the eye which nothing that is done in the world escapes. Therefore, always watchful in heart and pure in life, let us imitate Susannah" (Commentary on Daniel 6 [A.D. 204]; the story of Susannah [Dan. 13] is not in the Protestant Bible).

Cyprian

"So Daniel, too, when he was required to worship the idol Bel, which the people and the king then worshipped, in asserting the honor of his God, broke forth with full faith and freedom, saying, 'I worship nothing but the Lord my God, who created the heaven and the earth' [Dan. 14:5]" (Epistles 55:5 [A.D. 252]; Dan. 14 is not in the Protestant Bible).

Cyprian

"In Genesis [it says], 'And God tested Abraham and said to him, "Take your only son whom you love, Isaac, and go to the high land and offer him there as a burnt offering . . . "' [Gen 22:1-2] . . . Of this same thing in the Wisdom of Solomon [it says], 'Although in the sight of men they suffered torments, their hope is full of immortality . . .' [Wis. 3:4].

Of this same thing in the Maccabees [it says], 'Was not Abraham found faithful when tested, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness'" [1 Macc. 2:52; see Jas. 2:21-23] (Treatises 7:3:15 [A.D. 248]).

Is the Holy Spirit responsible for Donald Trump being President?

>>126208188
Needs de Valette

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>>126208543
When atheist attack "Christianity" they, almost 100%, are talking about protestants.

>>126208729
You preach the heresies!
On the pile! Burn down!

>>126207355
Apostlistic succession. A lthough some other churches have that, they're in schism.

>>126208879
In their most "compelling" examples and often their initial motivators. The spirit atheism attacks is Catholicism.

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>>126208854
I agree and King Baldwin and Richard the Lionheart.

I want to make one like this with 4 great Roman Catholics but I need a 4th. If you have any ideas let me know and ill write it down. And use it

>>126208150

> "Bible is infalliable and final autorithy"
> Removes books
> "Bible is infalliable and final autorithy"
> Female bishops
> "Bible is infalliable and final autorithy"
> Gay marriage in church
> "Bible is infalliable and final autorithy"
> muh 30000 denominations with different opionons on the bible

Protestants are morons.

>>126208795
Are you saying that there exist more than one God, or that the God of Abraham is not the true God? Their God is the God of Abraham, but they reject the Logos.

>>126208854
Welcome reminder that yesterday marked the day 6,000 Catholics btfo 40,000 Ottomans in the Siege of Malta

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>>126208935
You hate christ chan?

You go to hell

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>>126208879
Oy Vey it's true

>>126208676
You're an idiot and Islam is the beast of revelation, you have been tricked. Mecca is the image they bow to worldwide. The Quran calls for beheading of christians, the Bible warns beheading or being forced to worship this god that claims to be the Abraham of god and denies Christ is the son. The Bible warns of a figure that resembles Jesus but is the voice of Satan that will cause all to worship the beast. The Quran has "Jesus" coming back and denying he is the son and sayin all must worship allah or die. I have more references upon request

>>126207355
>A line of apostolic authority directly from Christ himself while on earth.
>There are more Catholics than any other religion on earth.
>Consistent beliefs. Mass in Tokyo, Houston, and Hungary are the same.
>Theologically sound, every belief has been thoroughly debated before adoption
>Short services always under 45 minutes
>Daily mass usually morning and afternoon
>Best church parties
>Deus Vult

>>126207624
>I have a thesis
Stopped reading right there. If you came up with the idea, then it's not from the Bible, and we both know that any thesis not explicitly endorsed in the Bible is automatically wrong.

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>>126209185
I wonder why fatalists removed a book affirming free will.

Kek

11Do not say: “It was God’s doing that I fell away,

for what he hates he does not do.

12Do not say: “He himself has led me astray,”

for he has no need of the wicked.

13Abominable wickedness the LORD hates

and he does not let it happen to those who fear him.

14God in the beginning created human beings

and made them subject to their own free choice.

15If you choose, you can keep the commandments;

loyalty is doing the will of God.

16Set before you are fire and water;

to whatever you choose, stretch out your hand.

17Before everyone are life and death,

whichever they choose will be given them.e

18Immense is the wisdom of the LORD;

mighty in power, he sees all things.

19The eyes of God behold his works,

and he understands every human deed.

20He never commands anyone to sin,

nor shows leniency toward deceivers.

If someone has Faith he will also do Works right?
If someone says that he has Faith but lacks Works then he has no Faith in the first place

But then, doing Works without Faith is impossible?
Or is it possible for people lacking in Faith to do God's Will?

>>126209199
Revelation warns of an entity claiming to be the god of Abraham, the Quran claims allah is but twists all of the teachings into a horrid heretical abomination. All of the teachings are turned upside down and evil. Allah is that blasphemous name spoken of in the Bible. The only sin that cannot be forgiven is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which takes place in the Muslim decree and throughout the Quran. You've been had my friend

>>126208102
No one deifies Mary. She's the Queen of Heaven.

>>126209185
>> "Bible is infalliable and final autorithy"
>> Removes books
>> "Bible is infalliable and final autorithy"
>> Female bishops
>> "Bible is infalliable and final autorithy"
>> Gay marriage in church
1 sect does it therefore all Protestants
>> "Bible is infalliable and final autorithy"
>> muh 30000 denominations with different opionons on the bible
Muh 1 interpretation of the Bible...interpretation...even if it's wrong or corrupted...

Really made me think, Catholic. Really made me think.

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Getting a walk through on how to follow along with a missal and a meeting in person with a priest (father? Pastor?) Thursday next week.

Any tips would be appreciated. Haven't gone to Church in ten years and when I did it was non-denominational and I was just a little kid.

I consider myself Christian and have been interested in attending Latin mass for quite some time.

>>126209905
Protestantism only HABE one sola

SOLA EGO

>>126209905
>Really made me think, Catholic. Really made me think.

Glad to hear it, then I hope you stop your heresy and come back to Christ.

No salvation outside the Church.

>>126209957
don't go

>>126207812
ATTENTION

total red pill, for free, enjoy

>>126210084
Sola gratia justificamus et sola fide justificamur et sola scriptura docentur. I'm good, thanks.

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>>126209957

Also have never been baptized and have never received communion. My mother and her family are catholic but my Mom drifted from her roots in her early adulthood and is a hippie nowadays. I'd like to rediscover those roots.

My catholic family lives on the other side of the country.

red pill me on the christianity tree.
where all the branches are coming/came from?

>>126210225
Hippolytus

"What is narrated here [in the story of Susannah] happened at a later time, although it is placed at the front of the book [of Daniel], for it was a custom with the writers to narrate many things in an inverted order in their writings. . . . [W]e ought to give heed, beloved, fearing lest anyone be overtaken in any transgression and risk the loss of his soul, knowing as we do that God is the judge of all and the Word himself is the eye which nothing that is done in the world escapes. Therefore, always watchful in heart and pure in life, let us imitate Susannah" (Commentary on Daniel 6 [A.D. 204]; the story of Susannah [Dan. 13] is not in the Protestant Bible).

Cyprian

"So Daniel, too, when he was required to worship the idol Bel, which the people and the king then worshipped, in asserting the honor of his God, broke forth with full faith and freedom, saying, 'I worship nothing but the Lord my God, who created the heaven and the earth' [Dan. 14:5]" (Epistles 55:5 [A.D. 252]; Dan. 14 is not in the Protestant Bible).

Cyprian

"In Genesis [it says], 'And God tested Abraham and said to him, "Take your only son whom you love, Isaac, and go to the high land and offer him there as a burnt offering . . . "' [Gen 22:1-2] . . . Of this same thing in the Wisdom of Solomon [it says], 'Although in the sight of men they suffered torments, their hope is full of immortality . . .' [Wis. 3:4].

Of this same thing in the Maccabees [it says], 'Was not Abraham found faithful when tested, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness'" [1 Macc. 2:52; see Jas. 2:21-23] (Treatises 7:3:15 [A.D. 248]).

>>126209768

Doing the right thing and having faith mutually strengthen each other. It is possible to just do works in vain like a pharisee, you can do the right thing for the wrong reasons without any genuine love. Also strengthening your faith and love for Christ will make you want to do the right thing and overcome sin, out of love for God and everything good

>>126210225
Tell me when the early Christians believe that illogical pile of shit

>>126203509
Protestant Christians are best Christians.

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>>126209905
>All those charges against Protestantism
>"1 sect does it therefore all Protestants"

You do realize all protestants read a butchered Bible that's missing 7 books, right?

lol Catholics. The Bible says none can forgive sins but Jesus! But wait Mary can too. Call no man on earth father! But ask your local"Father" to forgive your sins. Do worship god as the pagans do! But here, use these prayer beads and pay for indulgences, also bow before this picture of "Jesus". Do not pray to the dead! Unless they're a saint or christs mother. Catholicism is the whore of Babylon that is seated upon seven hills, Vatican City. Islam is the beast that will behead if you do not bow to the image that is Mecca. The fallen star in Mecca, a literal image of Satan. It is the cornerstone of the black tent as Jesus is the cornerstone of the church. The beast will hate the whore and tear her flesh, just as Islam has hated Catholicism for centuries. Remember the crusades. Remember constantinople. The beast will sit in the temple of god and claim to be god. The dome of the rock sits in place of the holy temple site TODAY where allah is worshiped day and night, claiming to be the one true God of Abraham. Denying Christ is the son and died on the cross. How are people so blind?

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>>126210141
Thanks it's the best

A Video Made In The Spirit (KJV)

>Part 1: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEPMX7Ez3QY

>Part 2: www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8GlbboyDuc

"They wanted to receive some light I said I've been meditating on that Bible for years so I took out some unleavened bread broke it in half and said brother here's your piece."

Now pass it around would ya!

>>126210373
Who hate the early christians

>>126209905
>immoral shitty english king wants a new wife because he's a degenerate
>catholic church doesn't let him get an easy divorce
>"i know, lets start a new religion thats basically the same only with 200% more degeneracy!"
>protestantism is born

Really makes ME think.

>>126210396
>remove seven books

Meanwhile

Hippolytus

"What is narrated here [in the story of Susannah] happened at a later time, although it is placed at the front of the book [of Daniel], for it was a custom with the writers to narrate many things in an inverted order in their writings. . . . [W]e ought to give heed, beloved, fearing lest anyone be overtaken in any transgression and risk the loss of his soul, knowing as we do that God is the judge of all and the Word himself is the eye which nothing that is done in the world escapes. Therefore, always watchful in heart and pure in life, let us imitate Susannah" (Commentary on Daniel 6 [A.D. 204]; the story of Susannah [Dan. 13] is not in the Protestant Bible).

Cyprian

"So Daniel, too, when he was required to worship the idol Bel, which the people and the king then worshipped, in asserting the honor of his God, broke forth with full faith and freedom, saying, 'I worship nothing but the Lord my God, who created the heaven and the earth' [Dan. 14:5]" (Epistles 55:5 [A.D. 252]; Dan. 14 is not in the Protestant Bible).

Cyprian

"In Genesis [it says], 'And God tested Abraham and said to him, "Take your only son whom you love, Isaac, and go to the high land and offer him there as a burnt offering . . . "' [Gen 22:1-2] . . . Of this same thing in the Wisdom of Solomon [it says], 'Although in the sight of men they suffered torments, their hope is full of immortality . . .' [Wis. 3:4].

Of this same thing in the Maccabees [it says], 'Was not Abraham found faithful when tested, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness'" [1 Macc. 2:52; see Jas. 2:21-23] (Treatises 7:3:15 [A.D. 248]).

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>>126210392
>missing

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>>126210659
How you'd like it?

>>126210396
>>126209796
>>126209383
The Islamic Mahdi will arrive on a white horse bringing Islam to the entire world by force if the sword. He will reign for 7 years.


The ANTICHRIST will arrive on a white horse bringing worship of the beast by the sword for 7 years. We're right in the middle of it all. RIGHT. NOW.

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>>126210716
>protestant intellectuals

YHWH is a false bronze age Jewish deity and you are all cucks for worshipping it.

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>>126210798
Isaiah 21, every region and city mentioned is in Saudi Arabia. Mecca is on 7 hills.
Isaiah describes Babylon as a terrible desert by the sea and calls it ARABIA

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>Believing in talking snakes and magic

Are you 10 years old or something?
Religion is like santa claus for adults. grow up

>>126210396
I prayed [to the Angel of Repentance, who is called the Shepherd] much that he would explain to me the similitude of the field…And he answered me again, saying, “Every one who is the servant of God, and has his Lord in his heart, asks of Him understanding, and receives it, and opens up every parable; and the words of the Lord become known to him which are spoken in parables. But those who are weak and slothful in prayer, hesitate to ask anything from the Lord; but the Lord is full of compassion, and gives without fail to all who ask Him. But you, having been strengthened by the holy Angel, and having obtained from Him such intercession, and not being slothful, why do not you ask of the Lord understanding, and receive it from Him?” I said to him, “Sir, having you with me, I am necessitated to ask questions of you, for you show me all things, and converse with me; but if I were to see or hear these things without you, I would then ask the Lord to explain them.”

The Shepherd of Hermas, 3.5.4
Rome, Date questionable; perhaps as early as AD 85-90, perhaps as late as AD 140-155 [1]

>>126210826
...anon wrote in a Semitic writing system,

>>126207812
Nice redpill, fuck niceties.

>>126210396

Priests don't forgive sins, they're a witness. From an Orthodox view, confession is not about forgiveness from God as he isn't bound to a priest to here peoples repentance, but it's about apologizing to your fellow man and community because sin hurts everyone around you and it's unhealthy to repress everything inside you. Jesus told us to confess our sins to eachother, the church gives people the sacrament of confession so that people will grow spiritually and morally. The problem with protestantism is that it's too easy to justify everything you do

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>>126211001
1.4 3rd Century Papyrus:

As we sing to Father Son and Holy Spirit, may all the powers join with us to say Amen. To the only giver of all good things be power and praise. Amen.

Probably Egyptian, 3rd Century AD hymn [4]

>>126209957
"Latin Mass" basically doesn't exist outside of Rome. Stop getting your ideas of Catholicism from anime.

Also, you haven't even been fucking baptized? Your mom should be ashamed of herself, and her and her family aren't very Catholic at all if they let that happen.

No mother remotely serious about Catholicism would let their child go unbaptized, you have no idea how seriously fucked that is. You might be overestimating your family's religiosity.

>>126210998
*unsheathes katana*
Fuck off, kike.

>>126204378
Found this one recently

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTjWaPNXRP_cimmdHsV2uCQ

Does no one have the balls to even comment on the fact that Islam and allah are the beast of revelation? The 7 heads are 7 kingdoms. The 7th will be mortally wounded but will rise again. The 7th is also the 8th. The Ottoman Empire fell in 1922, but a new Muslim empire is well on its way. Look at Europe. Look at the forced normalization of Islam and the forced acceptance. Look at the Middle East and the rise of Islam, for the first time since Christ there is a religion that is rising faster than Christianity. It is taking over. Our days are numbered. READ MY POSTS IF YOU READ ANYTHING IN THIS THREAD

>>126208575
Baka nihonjin the angel visits the WOMAN
If his wife tell an angel visited her then he has to accept it

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>>126211192
YES

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>>126206304

Not sure if you're still online or not, but do you have any recommended reading or should I just go to wikis?

>>126211257

I believe that it is. It's going to be a dark day when muslims take over a western country with nuclear missiles

>>126211315
Wrong.

>>126211135
27) The painter, then, on the first day made an outline of [John the Apostle] and went away…later John…went into the bedchamber, and saw the portrait of an old man crowned with garlands, and lamps and altars set before it. And he called him and said: Lycomedes, what meanest thou by this matter of the portrait? can it be one of thy gods that is painted here? for I see that thou art still living in heathen fashion. And Lycomedes answered him: My only God is he who raised me up from death with my wife: but if, next to that God, it be right that the men who have benefited us should be called gods -it is thou, father, whom I have had painted in that portrait, whom I crown and love and reverence as having become my good guide.
(28) And John who had never at any time seen his own face said to him: Thou mockest me, child: am I like that in form, [excelling] thy Lord? how canst thou persuade me that the portrait is like me? And Lycomedes brought him a mirror. And when he had seen himself in the mirror and looked earnestly at the portrait, he said: As the Lord Jesus Christ liveth, the portrait is like me: yet not like me, child, but like my fleshly image; for if this painter, who hath imitated this my face, desireth to draw me in a portrait, he will be at a loss…
(29) …But this that thou hast now done is childish and imperfect: thou hast drawn a dead likeness of the dead.

The Apocryphal Acts of John, 27-29 [10]
Circa AD 150

An early protestant against saint woeship

From the second centuey gnostic source

>>126211143
There's links to Latin Mass in the OP

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>>126210992
That may be true. But this still gets me. The adulterous Catholic Church and their pagan traditions engulfed into Christianity plus the fact the beast hates the whore and tears her flesh makes me believe it is the RCC

>>126205602

The Apostles were Catholics, not Protestants.

They couldn't have been Protestants, because Protestantism is based on sola scriptura, which was impossible for the Apostles because the NT hadn't been written yet.

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>>126209957
Download the Laudate app from the OP anon. It has the order of mass (when to sit, stand, what to say etc)

Also, fo the Latin mass http://www.ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm
You can check your state there. Every church on that site says the Latin mass

>>126211478
IKR

Look at this true christian refuting TJEM

27) The painter, then, on the first day made an outline of [John the Apostle] and went away…later John…went into the bedchamber, and saw the portrait of an old man crowned with garlands, and lamps and altars set before it. And he called him and said: Lycomedes, what meanest thou by this matter of the portrait? can it be one of thy gods that is painted here? for I see that thou art still living in heathen fashion. And Lycomedes answered him: My only God is he who raised me up from death with my wife: but if, next to that God, it be right that the men who have benefited us should be called gods -it is thou, father, whom I have had painted in that portrait, whom I crown and love and reverence as having become my good guide.
(28) And John who had never at any time seen his own face said to him: Thou mockest me, child: am I like that in form, [excelling] thy Lord? how canst thou persuade me that the portrait is like me? And Lycomedes brought him a mirror. And when he had seen himself in the mirror and looked earnestly at the portrait, he said: As the Lord Jesus Christ liveth, the portrait is like me: yet not like me, child, but like my fleshly image; for if this painter, who hath imitated this my face, desireth to draw me in a portrait, he will be at a loss…
(29) …But this that thou hast now done is childish and imperfect: thou hast drawn a dead likeness of the dead.

The Apocryphal Acts of John, 27-29 [10]
Circa AD 150

>"Catholics can't think for themselves?!" How dare they?! I'll show them!
>copy paste all the things my catholic recruiting bosses told me to post
>provide zero arguments other than the Pope issued Papal doctrine that the Pope is always right
>lol sure showed them Protties

lol. Catholics are truly a lost cause.

>>126211347
What stage would you say you're at, anon? Are you Catholic? Do you believe or want to believe etc? Not prying, but it makes any recommendations easier

reminder: once saved, always saved

>>126209905
All protestants are the same. When there is no authority and christianity becomes whatever retarded fanfic some random retard calls "truly biblical", everything goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKKWjNWPtQc

>>126211600
>I hate history
Protestant logix

Sola ego

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>>126211420

>>126211684
Aka bullshit

>>126211600
>catholic recruiting bosses

Are you brain damaged?

DUES VULT

>>126211143

Lol the Church I contacted explicitly stated they perform Latin mass.

Also, on the topic of my mother and her lack of faith, it boils down to this; she was a flower child raised in the 70's who quickly moved to California after turning 18, where she attended college and subsequently lost her faith in its entirety.

She struggles with what she believes today.

The rest of my family is fairly religious and most of them attend Church regularly.

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Can any protestant tell how they feel about Martin Luther having a lifelong devotion to Mary the mother Jesus? Why is one the greatest protestant churches in Germany called "FrauenKirche" meaning "Church of Our Lady"? Seems pretty "heretical" to me according to you people.

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>>126211478
>meme

>>126211498
>The Apostles were Catholics, not Protestants.
lol. No they weren't you retard. Stop regurgitating shit your priest told you. He's just regurgitating shit Rome told him.

Actually do the reading and the research. In no way were they "Catholics". They weren't even called Christians until Antioch, 20 years after Christ's death. And even then, the term took a bit to spread around.

lol. fucking Catholic retards, I swear...

>>126209383
>>126209796
>>126210396
>>126210798
>>126211257
Agree with me or don't, these are the most important posts in this thread. This should be spread everywhere before it is too late.

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>>126206674
>You're just not worth saving.

Who do you think you are?

>>126211684

>you can say a prayer and become a satanist but you'll still go to heaven

Stop listening to pastor Anderson, he can't even justify why he believes in sola scriptura and kjv onlyism, he's leading people to self destruction

>>126211754
Meanwhile in early christian

Let your baptism be ever your shield, your faith a helmet, your charity a spear, your patience a panoply. Let your works be deposits, so that you may receive the sum that is due you” (Letter to St. Polycarp, 6).

>>126211684
>once saved, always saved
>Christ to St. Peter: 'Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.'

>>126211257

You have my attention. Is this like the Megadeth song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rVRwyRc6og

Please go on.

>>126211716
>When there is no authority
lol. Catholics actually believe Protestants don't believe in authority. We do retard. We believe in Christ's authority.

Jesus, help them. They know not 2 + 2.

>>126211891
Doesn't matter what they were called. They were Catholic by faith & practice.

>>126211891
And the early church fathers deny the five solaes

>>126211891
Guess they weren't "real" Christians because they weren't "Bible believing Christians" because, guess what, the Bible didn't exist then. Also they worshiped the Eucharist so that rules they were Christians to you, huh?

>>126212075
An authority that cannot be consistent

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>>126206674

>>126211257
I agree.

Revelation has the "Beast from the Earth," which will mark the followers of the the Antichrist and the False Prophet with the Mark of the Beast.

Islam has the "Beast of the Earth," which will mark the foreheads of the true followers of Isa ("Jesus") and Mahdi. They consider the Beast a good figure.

But the Pope wasn't speaking dogmatically when he said that Muslims have the same God as Christians so your point is moot.

>>126212163
They also deny sola fide

Therefore, let us not be ungrateful for His kindness. For if He were to reward us according to our works, we would cease to be (Epistle to the Magnesians, Ch. 5).

>>126211498
Wouldn't the Apostles be filtering out things Jesus did and said in writing the Gospels, as per John 21:25? Seems a leap to say that the only things Jesus did for the development of the faith while still on earth were filtered through only the written work of a handful of people, and that that written work is the only foundation of the church.

>>126211867
>Catholics actually believe Protestants worship Luther
lol. dumb fucking Catholics. Even Luther hated that it started being called Lutheranism. He called it Evangelicalism.

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>>126206674
OY GEVALT

>>126212296
>luther hated that it called lutheranism
He didn't dumbass

>>126211846
>cares about the pretentious nonsense of a mass in a dead language
>18 or older and hasn't been baptized

Get your shit together before you start worrying about Latin mass.

You want to know some Catholic theology? If you died tomorrow there is zero chance you'd go to Heaven.

>>126212055
Be sure and read my other posts. The beast has an image, and the other beast gives this image the ability to speak. In the Quran, "Jesus" will breathe life into the black stone at Mecca and allow it so speak. Islamic end times prophecy are the complete reciprocal of Christian prophecy. Islam is the religion of anticrhsitianity. We are here brother. This is it

Beneath your compassion
we take refuge, Theotokos.
Our petitions do not despise in time of trouble,
but from dangers ransom us,
Only Holy, Only Blessed

3rd Century Letter [5]
Egypt, Circa AD 250

Protestants hate this

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who are some of well known catholic writers who lived at least ~200 years ago
i can only name tolkien

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>>126203509
all Catholics read this

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>>126212240

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Was Jesus an honorary white man? He seems too pure to be a Jew.

>>126212240
Lol do your worst. The whore will give its power to the beast. The pope has said allah is the same god. Your arguments are invalid. Read the book

>>126211600
Just like you base your view of God on a little man that divided Europeans and caused all of Europe to bleed

>>126212473
Explain this

But since we are persuaded that we must give an account of all our life here to God who made us and the world, we adopt a temperate, generous, despised way of life. For we think that, even if we lose our lives, we shall suffer here no evil to be compared with the reward we shall receive from the great Judge for a gentle, generous, and modest life (A Plea Regarding Christians by Athenagoras, ch.12).

>>126212086
>Doesn't matter what they were called.
lol. Jesus Christ you're pathetic.
>>126212163
>Guess they weren't "real" Christians because they weren't "Bible believing Christians"
>Christians
>Catholics
Know the difference.

>>126212169
>An authority that cannot be consistent
wew. Britirenaeus, I've been ignoring you and I'm going to continue, but denying Christ's authority...pretty low...even for you. Gonna add that one to the file.

>>126206916
>and I haven't muster up the courage to confess.
Do it, if you truly believe in him, he will forgive you

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>>126212467
Do you mean fiction writers, son of Stepinac?

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>>126212410

>random leaf trying to belittle me for having an interest in catholicism
>actually believes I give a fuck about his pathetic and angry predisposition towards faith

Thanks for your thoughts.

>>126210777
Eloquent and straightforward. Loved it. Also love the conversion of CS Lewis.

>>126212467
In English, Chesterton, Belloc, and Newman are famous.

>>126212681
Sola Scriptura is inconsistent

Deal with it

>>126212275
>Seems a leap to say that the only things Jesus did for the development of the faith while still on earth were filtered through only the written work of a handful of people

No, because Jesus specifically commissioned those people (the apostles) to preach in His Name / communicate His teaching. They were ordained and sent for that purpose.

>and that that written work is the only foundation of the church.

The foundation of the Church is not the written work. It is the authority of the apostles (who wrote said works), especially Peter, whom Christ calls the "rock" (i.e. foundation) of His church.

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>>126211671


Haven't been to mass in a decade plus. Kind of tried a couple of decent enough, but way more low-key churches. I miss the respect, and my concern is that's what bothers me so much about some other churches.

In catholic churches, guys wear nice sweaters, slacks etc. Women in proper women stuff. Comparatively many of the other churches I have seen have people bringing God about the amount of respect they'd take to a 7-11 with their kids going nutz etc.

It's nice being amongst civilized people. You don't think you miss it until you're not around it as often. Used to think the trip was boring and stuffy, now I miss it like crazy.

>>126211968
has nothing to do with eternal security
>>126211961
>I didn't watch the video but will regurgitate what someone else said anyway the post
>>126211950
>he thinks you can become a satanist if you were saved
>he thinks prayer is all that's needed to be saved in the first place

>>126212615
>Just like you base your view of God on a little man that divided Europeans and caused all of Europe to bleed
lol yes. No catholic ever caused any European any problems whatsoever. What lovely little angels all catholics were to europe from ad 480 through to now. such beautiful people.

lol. What a crock of shit.

>>126203509
>Jewish law following, kike loving, child molesting, refugee loving shitskins

When fascism comes you Christ cucks are going up against the wall

>>126212410
>baptism by desire

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Are they any Lutherans in the house? Why do you still worship the Eucharist? so much for sola scriptura

>>126212839
>regurgitate what the early christians say
>it is bullshit

Theophilus (approx. AD 180), an Eastern Father, spoke of a life of doing well and obeying God’s command to procure salvation:

To those who by patient continuance in well-doing seek immortality, He will give eternal life everlasting life” (Theophilus to Autolycus, Bk. I, ch. XIII). “For man drew death upon himself by disobeying. So, by obeying the will of God, he who wants to can procure for himself life everlasting (Bk. II, ch. XXVII).

>news and politics

>>>/his/

>>126212681
"Bible believing Christians" and "Christians" are synonymous according to protestants.

>>126212620
>
what the photo? Ok the tldr is the Vatican help funded the islamic empires and catholicism is a false religion that turned away from christ himself. The pope told muslims that jews and Christians are thy enemies and dont attack catholics the muslims became uncontrollable so the muslims said fuck off and the pope did the crusades to defend himself and his church they were given mercy in the end

>>126213027
I mean the quote from Athengoras

>>126212736
not necessarily, just need some that lived in the last ~200 years

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>>126212763
Good good. You know I've heard that Orthodoxy by Chesterton is good too if you like Mere Christianity.

>>126212473
>Islam is the direct child of pagans and Gnostic heretics.
>The church had little or no contact in the Arabian peninsula
>gnostic holdouts made up the Christians there.

TLDR: post is full of shit because Islam is rife with heretical gnostic teachings.

>>126212988
/his/ is shit

I prayed [to the Angel of Repentance, who is called the Shepherd] much that he would explain to me the similitude of the field…And he answered me again, saying, “Every one who is the servant of God, and has his Lord in his heart, asks of Him understanding, and receives it, and opens up every parable; and the words of the Lord become known to him which are spoken in parables. But those who are weak and slothful in prayer, hesitate to ask anything from the Lord; but the Lord is full of compassion, and gives without fail to all who ask Him. But you, having been strengthened by the holy Angel, and having obtained from Him such intercession, and not being slothful, why do not you ask of the Lord understanding, and receive it from Him?” I said to him, “Sir, having you with me, I am necessitated to ask questions of you, for you show me all things, and converse with me; but if I were to see or hear these things without you, I would then ask the Lord to explain them.”

The Shepherd of Hermas, 3.5.4
Rome, Date questionable; perhaps as early as AD 85-90, perhaps as late as AD 140-155 [1]


Protestants hate this

>>126212777
Of course, I was just "thinking aloud" my question about how the Protestants reconcile sola scriptura with the fact that Jesus (and the apostles and early Christians) did more than just play out the events which they recorded in the Bible).

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>>126212748
I'm not belittling you. I'm telling you your mom and your extended family didn't care enough about you going to heaven to get you baptized.

Sorry about the facts bruh.

Feel free to get a second opinion from any of the Catholics here on where unbaptized spawn of whores have any possibility of getting into heaven.

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>>126212848
Say that to my face and not online and see what happens.

>>126213188
Now supplication and plea and thanksgiving may be offered to people without impropriety. Two of them, namely pleading and thanksgiving, might be offered not only to saints but to people alone in general, whereas supplication should be offered to saints alone, should there be found a Paul or a Peter, who may benefit us and make us worthy to attain authority for the forgiveness of sins.

On Prayer, 14.6 [3]
Alexandria, Circa AD 253

>>126211600
>>126211600
Indeed. You can't argue with catholicucks. They can't understand the (((catholic))) church is a globalist machine

>>126213322
Explain why the early Christians contradixt protestantism

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Also which Bible do you guys recommend? I only have the KJV and some JV bible I got when I was a kid. I haven't read either of them but I'd like to read whatever you guys recommend

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>>126213322
OY VEY

You're gonna call PETER a CVCK?

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>>126213279

>I'm not belittling you.
>I'm just belittling you for circumstances that were out of your control.

Do go on, leaf. I'm enjoying your autistic babble.

>>126213216
What's astounding is that the Church of Rome is the only church in the entire world that can trace its lineage directly back to any apostle at all; and not only to any apostle, but to Peter himself. No other church can produce a list of names that goes from Apostle -> current day successor, like the Church of Rome.

>>126213421
>why the early christians
How could the early christians contradict something still were 1000+ years in the making?

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>>126213554
It's great
Deus Vult

>>126213488
First of all, you sure like that word "belittling" huh? Maybe you should look up the definition, because it isn't a catch all for "waaaah, someone is being mean to me."

Second, there's a reason no one else is replying to your inane shit, and it's because the idea of an unbaptized hippy baby asking about latin mass is ludicrous.

>>126213592
Hahahahahaha protestantism btfo

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>>126212932
Lutheran pride world wide!

>>126213592
By living their faith nothing like a protestant would

>>126212828
Ah, then for you, although I will recommened some books, getting back in to the habit of praying is most important. Commit to saying your morning & night prayers (sounds easy, but you'll be surprised how often you think 'can't be bothered').

Go back to mass. Sit at the back & semi-hide if you must, but get back in to the routine of going. It may turn out (sadly, they do exist) you end up at a mass with a cuck priest. Try another one. The churches here are latin masses, & they are very, very rarely liberal http://www.ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm. So try one of those if you don't like your closest parish.

Books
>Read the bible or at least the daily readings (link in the op) each day
>Catechism (especially the Baltimore catechsim). Again, don't read too much at once. Go slowly. understand it's message
>Orthodoxy by G.K Chesterton
>Pope Benedict XVI has some very good books
>PEter Kreeft (or listen here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAu5VL6mImA&index=1&list=PLZDj5nM0KbdVxHLiIMu8UHFBg_pecFRfH)
>C.S Lewis books (although he's Anglican, he doens't go deep in to theology)

>>126212939
>an Eastern Father
>And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

God gives eternal life through faith, not works. Because that life is eternal, it will not be revoked. For God to do so would be to go against His character.

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>>126213554
>Protestants believe St. Peter's is secretly a spaceship UFO founded on the Church's underground infinite wealth

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>>126213438
KJV and Common English Bible are both great.

ESV for lighter reading, especially Paul's letters. Or Catholic Edition of RSV

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>>126213476
No because he died to his faith instead of hiding behind 100 armed guards and complaining people how sold your guns aren't true Christians™

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>>126213438
Or the Douey Reims, or if you feel like learning another language then go with Latin and read the Latin Vulgate, which is very easy to read if are learning to read latin. It's not like Cicero with all this weird grammar.

>>126213896
>works of torah
>cannot call anyone father yet Paul does it

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>>126213762

>implying I cannot be baptized in the future
>implying any of the shit your spewing has any credence

I was very forthright with the individual I spoke with who scheduled my meeting at the Church next week and everything your saying contradicts their very welcoming and understanding view of the circumstances in which I have grown up with.

To belittle means to put down, or to make another person feel as though they aren't important. That is what you're doing when you vomit up statements such as...

>I'm not belittling you. I'm telling you your mom and your extended family didn't care enough about you going to heaven to get you baptized.

It's not that my mother didn't care enough about me. It's that she didn't understand the importance of faith and God.

I'm not damned to hell for the mistakes of my mother.

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>>126205911
1) council of Nicea removed and burned gospels several early church fathers have quoted from, but have never seen the light of day.
>>126205413
2) the vatican removed 14 books in 1684
3) the catholic translations do not hold up to the masoretic and greek texts, look up the interlinear bible
4) Luther did not start the reformation, Erasmus of Rotterdam, John Calvin, Peter Waldo, John Wycliffe and Jan Hus did
5) you can very easily prove that the catholic church invented Islam in the symbolism alone
6) Catholicism is a Luciferian counterfeit of Christianity.
7) every single catholic is guilty of idolatry, and ignores the teachings of Chirst, and replaces him with the church as an Idol
8) Roman Catholicism did not become a thing until 380AD under Theodosius the 1st.
9) Catholics did not invent the bible, the 5 gospels Luke, Matthew, Mark, John, and Thomas were around long before any kind of church was established
10) The catholic church was only 1 denomination of Christianity at the council of Nicea, which is 300ish years after the death of christ
11) all 13 disciples started churches all over the middle east Peter was not special
12) Martin Luther attacked home teaching and personal study of the bible as much as the catholic church did, but I doubt he ever burned mothers alive at the stake for teaching their kids the bible in english
13) Catholic "church fathers" are the leaven of the pharisees Christ warns about in matthew 16:6
14) the punishment of heresy in the catholic church is death, or excommunication, 2 things that are completely unscriptual, no true church of Christ would ever resort to torturing people, nor killing people for sinning, or "heresy" which is only a word for disagreeing with the church

>>126213896
grace of God in vain.

20 So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. 2 Corinthians 6 1 Working together with him, then, we entreat you not to accept the grace of God in vain. 2 For he says, "At the acceptable time I have listened to you, and helped you on the day of salvation." Behold, now is the acceptable time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
2 Corinthians 11:2-3 – Even though betrothed to Christ we can be led away from Him by the devil.
2 I feel a divine jealousy for you, for I betrothed you to Christ to present you as a pure bride to her one husband. 3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
2 Corinthians 13:5 – If we fail to meet the test, we will no longer have Christ in us.
5 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are holding to your faith. Test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you? --unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

>>126213896
Having Faith without Works its fruitless, for if you have Faith you will do Works, but if you say to have Faith but you don't do God's Will then you have no Faith in the first place

>>126213488
Also:

>not being baptized
>out of your control

How do you figure that's out of your control?

Are you 18? Then you have the right to get yourself baptized.

Are you under 18, which I suspect? Get the fuck out.

Either way, it's probably time to head back to rebbit if you can't handle bants.

>>126212839

God gave us freewill, we have the full freedom towards self destruction or cooperation with God's grace. Eternal security as Andersonites believe is irrational and a lie people tell themselves to ignore the brutal fact that their actions have consequences

>>126207812
I am an ex catholic who received a weak education of Christianity and the bible growing up. I abandoned it all together when I was about to get a confirmation. Lately I have a strong desire to return to Christ and want to learn the true word of God. It's overwhelming to just open the bible and start reading, so I've been looking for bible lessons online and such. Is there anything you can recommend as a resource?

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>>126213969
>>126214194
>>126213920
Thanks guys I think I'll read the KJV for now and maybe 'upgrade' later when I have more dough.

>>126214319
Meanwhile before Nicaea

"Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."

"Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.

"Come together in common, one and all without exception in charity, in one faith and in one Jesus Christ, who is of the race of David according to the flesh, the son of man, and the Son of God, so that with undivided mind you may obey the bishop and the priests, and break one Bread which is the medicine of immortality and the antidote against death, enabling us to live forever in Jesus Christ."

-"Letter to the Ephesians", paragraph 20, c. 80-110 A.D.

Care to explain?

>>126214366

My God you truly are pathetic.

>>126213131
Chesteron, Belloc, Evelyn Waugh (fiction), Christoper Dawson (historian), Erik Von Leddihn,

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>>126214069
OY VEY

A House tales after it's father because a son knows his father's ways and a son loves his father's ways.