Atheists actually believe that this happened by accident

>>126197129
>126191801
stop acknowledging they exist. Atheists will die out like faggots.

>>126197129
>What is the blind spot?

Stupid dingus.

Human vision isn't perfect though, you're still seeing blurry when you look at the nose, as we have evolved from sea.

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>>125637346
>>125637346
>>125637346

>how did you jump up that massive cliff, it looks impossible
>I walked up the gradual slope around the back you moron
>ohhhhh

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>>126198457
WE WUZ FISH

No they don't.

Evolution by natural selection does not happen by "accident." It is not a random process.

The genetic mutations which lead to changes/differences down the generations are random, but the successful mutations are selected by nature. The eye is the result of genetic mutations over generations, not random and not by "accident."

>>126197129
It's an imperfect design you dumb cunt, 'DUR GOD DID IT ON PURPOSE TO TEST OUR VISION'.

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>>126198761
>evolution has a logical explanation for OPs post

>>126198774
haha memes, praise kek!

>>126197129
>accident
>evolutionary pressure
pick one, idiot.

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Yo, imagine having better than human eyesight like some animals do, how would that look like, man?

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>>126197129
Cristcucks actually believe that someone designed this thing purposely

Daily reminder that (((atheists))) are going to be less then 1.3% of the world by 2020.

>>126197129
how come many animals have much better eyes? you would believe that his favorites would have the best but...no because...reasons

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>evolution provides the perfect arguments as to why the races are biologically different and will never be equal, why there are only two genders and they're biologically different and will never be equal, why it's defective to be gay or trans, why gender roles are real and shouldn't be perverted, why hierarchies are real and shouldn't be perverted, why property rights are real and shouldn't be perverted, why it's ok for humans to kill animals, ect ect, blowing out every liberal argument with the facts of reality
>american "conservatives" throw all this out because their middle eastern book that's been mistranslated a dozen times and is ripping off other religions a dozen times said their jewish god made earth in 6 days

>>126199065
Actually He did. Humans need servants.

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>american education: the thread

>>126197129
>most critical sense for survival
>probably most fragile part of your body

sick design.

>>126197129
Damn i got a 3mm square hole in my macula and cant see out of my right eye thanks god

>>126197129
DID GOD INVENT GLASSES TOO FAGGOT?

>>126197129
>we waz noas ark n shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
>we waz boat with carnivores that didnt eat meat n shieeeeeeeeet

>>126199027
I choose the accident one.

Also why are there so few species that are smart, have night vision, or live almost forever? Clearly if it evolved it wouldn't get rid of such imprortant features and with about a billion different species of animals there wouldn't be so little of an amount with that.

>>126199056
owls and eagles are a hoax just like dinosaurs

>>126197129
These threads are retarded.

>>126199273
what's new, saladonia

>>126199056
>Yo, imagine having better than human eyesight like some animals do, how would that look like, man?


I love mantis shrimp. I had a peacock for a few years. I can only imagine what they see. She was a great pet, and will be missed.

> see something complex
> "well shit I don't know how this works so it must be god"

wew

>>126199168
>this retarded arguement again

Now what if God created different races?

Also where did the first gender come from? The first life had to have asexually reproduce and how would that make a different gender?

>>126199056
big body bes deserves to be a bigger meme

>>126199168

That's overly simplistic, Nigel. Evolution also explains and justifies rape, but most of us understand that rape is morally reprehensible.

Nothing needs to be thrown out. We just need to approach reality with good morals and ethics.

>>126197129
Always doubting Evolution
when i see a post like this.
Please do not reproduce.

>>126199132
And yet we have thumbs and are more intelligent.

>>126197129
What do you mean when you say 'by accident '

>>126197129
Shouldn't religious arguments be in /x/?

I don't know about that but I know OP was born by accident

>>126199280

http://s.4cdn.org/image/country/nc.gif

>>126199701
>atheists
>morals

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>>126199776
>>126199892

>religion
>morals

Have you stoned any faggots today?

>>126199280
>>126199776
wrong link

>>125637346

>>126199577
but why would god create untermenschen you fucking christcuck

>>126200022
You know Jesus prevented someone from being stoned right?

>>126199331
species with night visions have night vision because they hunt at night
very few species are smart because when everything is out to kill you and eat you str/dex > int
i don't know about the not dying of old age thing, most species that have it are primitive little shits like jellyfish

>>126198774
Let me guess, you've watched Evolution vs. God and thought it was a good intelectual documentary.

>>126200105
slaves

>>126197129
Only the most minute mutations occur naturally as DNA fails to replicate itself perfectly through offspring. This is the only element that is accidental or "random". An overwhelming majority of these mutations are garbage and serve no purpose. These die out with the individual specimen as they more likely hinder than help. Only the occasional beneficial mutation becomes a trend, as it had to directly benefit the life of that specimen, which in turn, allows for more breeding opportunity which in turn propagates that helpful trait. The modern ocular organ took quite a while to form through this process.

I am also a Christian who understands this basic theory and observable principle in biology. Nothing about the concept of evolution is a threat to the tradition and lifestyle that goes with my religion.

>>126197129
>Atheists

I think scientists believes it happened slowly over millions of years of small changes.
Eye is also not that complex.

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Christcucks think THIS was purposely designed by their god, hahaha! Better chop off the tip tho!

>>126197129
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>126199892

Because you need to believe in a supernatural creator to not murder, rape, keep slaves and make war, even though the Abrahamic God advocated all of those acts.

Why are religious people so fucking retarded in general? Literally none of your arguments are logical.

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>>126197129
Argumentum ad ignorantiam

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>>126199418
One shudders to imagine what inhuman thoughts lie behind those eyes, perhaps they aren't merely seeing reality, maybe, they're touching the truth.

>>126200141
They would have to hunt at night for thousands of years then to get night vision.

Why are humans the only samart species? and the next ones are dolphins and pigs who are complete retards.

>>126199577

Oy vey shut up!!

Haha I always ask retard darwinist what the first fish to walk on land fucked. What did the first monkey fuck? They actually believe dolphins turned into cows even tho there isn't a single shred of evidence. Never has new DNA markers appeared from random mutation, only loss of DNA markers.

Dawkins has made a point about the eye.
https://youtu.be/mb9_x1wgm7E

>>126198794
You're wasting your time with these Christian retards.

>>126200385
no he didnt. maybe the war one though. And no muder is one of the commandments.

Also who decides what's moral? You? Ha that's no better than mohammed then.

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>>126200195
Bravo

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>>126197129
>happened by accident

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There is one true original prototypical consciousness that emerged in the Big Wow. All-powerful, Omniscient and All-being. All our thoughts emerge from it. It programmed every quantum event from the beginning to the end of time, and using relativity and retrocausality designs all the physical laws of the Universe. Your free-will is an illusion. God does not love you. You are as a hair on a pimple on his ass. All you are to God is eyes and ears and hands on his creation.

The BEST you can hope for is to be allowed to share in his infinite mercy.

Most likely you are cursed to feel isolated and not a part of. You are spiritually dead. It's like castration. Intentionally caused agenesis of the spiritual organs and continued suppression of conscious contact with the divine.

>>126198794
And yet there has never been an observed mutation for the benefit of an organism. All mutations are to the detriment of an organism. Atheists have sub par levels of intelligence

>>126200653

God condones the murder of people in The Old Testament. In fact, it's estimated that God himself killed over 2 million people through commandments of war, plagues, floods etc.

Great "moral" god you've got there, anon.

>>126201026
b-but they were gay and stuff!!

>>126200195
>I am also a Christian who understands this basic theory and observable principle in biology.
I am also straight. I only let guys fuck my ass twice a day. Nothing about the concept of anal sex between men whose balls don't touch is a threat to my heterosexuality.

>>126201026
>killing degerates is bad

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>>126201026
>Be you
>Judge God
>Think God cares what you think
>Be retarded like that.

>>126197129

But how do you know it was created by the god of Abraham, not one of the gods other people worship? What if it was created by aliens. Or Mithra?

>>126201139
And rapey, can't forget the rapey part.
Though letting the guy who offered his daughters to the rapist town does raise a few questions on morality.

Highly relevant video
>inb4 dawkins
Yeah whatever just watch the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Eb7k87gO0

>>126201001
Elephants have rapidly started appearing without tusks because poachers kill the ones with tusks the ones that have the mutation that means no tusks without are thriving.

>>126201001
antibiotic resistance in bacteria
Nylonese metabolism also in bacteria
lactose tolerance in humans
HIV resistance in humans
malaria resistance in humans through sickle cell anemia

and I could go on

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>>126200546
That is not quite how evolution works it is subtle changes over a very long time. It would be hard to say there was a first anything it slowly became what it is today.
I cannot however say there was not a divine mover behind this change. It may be that the changed happened randomly and those animals that changed to survive continued to breed or for all we know God made sure the changes went in the right direction.
I think the only honest answer from anyone religious or atheist is we do not have all the information. We can reasonably believe that change occurred based on the fossil record but we cannot discount a divine hand in that change.

>>126200546
>dolphins turned into cows

Christfags are this stupid.

>>126201001
>And yet there has never been an observed mutation for the benefit of an organism. All mutations are to the detriment of an organism.

Are you trolling or genuinely retarded? What do you mean exactly by "observed?"

And why the fuck are you talking about atheists in relation to this? Most atheists aren't biologists. Take your retardation to a biologist and they can explain it to you.

>>126201305

>>125637346

>>126201442
And also do not forget epigenetics

>>126201442
>That is not quite how evolution works it is subtle changes over a very long time

Not quite, the rate of change doesn't have so much to do with time scale as survival pressures. Increase the pressures you'll accumulate changes far more rapidly and through far fewer generations

>>126197129
>by accident
obvious bait

>>126197129
Theist actually believe that a being of infinite more complexity that an eye either happened by accident or was born from another of such entities.

How can you have a problem believing the universe just is but not with a being even greater than said universe just is?

>>126201892
I am no biologist, but just from what I know of natural history, if the environmental factors are changing to fast the organisms just die. I think that if evolution is in fact correct that it does work slow and the evidence is in how many species are dead now because they could not quickly adapt to the changes in their environment.

>>126200546
Well clearly it kept going out to land then back into water every day gor 20,000 years then without the population getting wiped out even though theyvare threatened and forced to do that dor thousands of years and slowly got lungs.

makes perfect sense

That's child's play. Try the Anthropic Principle for the real red pill (especially the stronger formulations, c.f. Tipler). That doesn't support the Christian God in any way though exclusively, but it suggests someone or something is pulling the strings.

For all we know, it could be a fucking simulation still or The Matrix, or the Devil fucking with us just for the hell of it. Or even something resembling a human deity.

Bullshit like the eye, or the fucking Devil burying fossils, is puny before the Anthropic cosmological principle.

>>126201558
you think fish turned into humans

Do athiests still believe that evolved spontaneously though? Seems like everyone I've encountered recently believes
>"we wuz a alien computer simulation"
OR
>"we wuz an alien genetic experiment"
The traditional "we wuz amino acids" faction seems to be a minority at this point.

>>126201442
>we cannot discount a divine hand in that change

A divine hand isn't required, and besides if you were to say that a god is guiding evolution than your god is quite the sadist given some evolutionary adaptations like in say parasites which infest ant and slug brains turning them into literal zombies or wasps which paralyses spiders so they can lay their eggs on them so when they hatch they eat the spider alive, or how about tape worms which burrow through your intestines leaving you with serious abdominal infections

>>126202409
My book is better then your book.

>people complaining the can't see visible evolution

You're joking right. It's a process that takes thousands of years when it comes to mammals. You live for 70 years typically, if you're healthy. 70 years is a small scope in the vastness of the Earth's history. You want to see evolution in action, read about super-bacteria and how they develop resistances to antibiotics. Hint hint, all the non-resistant bacteria die, only 1 bacteria needs to survive, 1 bacteria that happened to have mutated in a way genetically that the prescribed antibiotic fails to destroy it. That one bacterium reproduces an entire colony of resistant bacteria. That is natural selection at play.

>>126197129
Not only did it happen by accident, it happened multiple times in parallel across multiple species.

>>126197129
Nice straw man, bro. The eye was developed over something like 15 distinct evolutionary steps, each of which offered fitness advantages. I forget the exact sequence, but first photsensitive cells, then distinct patches of them under skin, then vitreous humor, then lenses.

Do all Christian authoritarians lie, or just the Democrats?

>>126202609
>God is mean so he isn't real
Huh I didn't know Dawkins used 4chan

>>126197129
Atheists believe a lot of stupid bullshit. You'll get used to it.

ITT: people who are just as bad as moslems

>>126202609
Is god a sadist? Can we attribute our values onto God? I could say maybe it falls into Gods plan but that's a cop out. Remember in the creation story we did not have these problems until our fall. If that is to be taken as any parable then the creation of these messed up animals is part of our struggle we are condemned to for our original sin.

>>126202261
adaptability is another factor in evolution, how quickly basically the organism can reproduce and its mutation rate, survival pressures though is the most important factor as when they are high changes tend to occur more rapidly and in fewer generations. Yes this leads to some loss in diversity and can also lead to extinction but nature isn't kind. Some species do go extinct if they can't adapt

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>>126197129

>>126201026
Yes, and satan only kills Job's family, because god keeps insisting "Do the worst you can to him, he will still love me! hahahaha! kill his family!" and satan didnt want to but yahweh kept pushing it.

>>126203156
Fruit fly experiment.

>>126203087
>Can we attribute our values onto God?

You just did, so why shouldn't I?

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>>126202997
>the super complexity of the eye happened in 15 mutations

>>126201338
Yeah or the 42 children torn apart by two bears God sent to tear apart and kill them for calling Elijah "baldy"

This is considered one of Elijahs two miracles that made him a prophet/saint of god, lol. 2 Kings chapter 2.

>>126197129
Alright you dumb fucks, why do we have an appendix that has to be surgically removed so it doesn't kill us? Why is our biological system for absorbing water so piss poor and inefficient. Why do so many people need glasses? If this was intelligent design and we are all literally perfect life forms then why do we have so many things wrong with us?

kys you sleepy faggot

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>>126201001
I use'd to know for sure when trolls and bait posts, but considering the level of American stupidity nowadays I just can't tell anymore.

so I humbly give you "Observable"

>>126198936
you wouldnt know an argument if we tied it to your dads dick and shoved it down your throat.
and no THIS IS NOT AN ARGUMENT. Its an insult faggot

>>126202342
For those who don't know, the Anthropic Principle states that since their are so many variables that needed to happen for humans to exist, that means their must be a higher power.
Of course, this merely boils down to
>It's unlikely, therefore it couldn't have happened.
>Thus, God.
Which is an absurd claim to make.

>>126203499
>15 distinct evolutionary steps
not 15 individual mutations
Fook, can't you even read?
Oh wait, you're an American.

>>126202859
Natural selection is not evolution. For that 1 bacteria to survive, it needed the genetic material preprogrammed to resist the antibiotics.
Meaning those ((mutations))) are just genetic anomalies already stored, they didn't "evolve" or "change over time" the living physical representation of the species is still the same bacteria with the same genetic code, there were simply more prominent features and properties that'd guarantee its survival anyway.
Nice try, Darwin

>>126202859
This is not an example of natural selection. This is an example of human selection. Just like dogs have not evolved.

>>126203499
You know what, you stick to faith in god, it's more your baby minded level

>>126198774
found the sub 100 iq

>>126203772
The Fall of Man and sin answer all your questions, plus the appendix has a role to play, and there is no "junk DNA" nor are there any "vestigial appendages".

>>126204092
Epigenetics look it up.

>>126203949
considering OPs post has more than 15 parts. No it wasnt in 15 steps

>>126197129
>Cuck believing it is a "design" by some entity....

>>126200444
>tfw they can see colors we can't even comprehend

>>126203782
>>126203782
please dont rope us in with these retards. this is christian stupidity, not american stupidity

>>126203499
Eyes are actually one of the simpler organs in terms of evolution especially since every step in the evolutionary process still exists today in species which didn't require to evolve their eyes further, also because eyes seven times independently from each other throughout the animal kingdom

its evolution is very well understood. I'm surprised creationists don't pick something much more complex like says photosynthesis or sugar metabolism

>>126204249
Has to be his designer, don't forget that.

>>126198936
If you're implying it doesn't you haven't actually looked into it at all

Hard to argue with someone who doesn't even understand the most basic concepts

>>126202609
Exactly. No spider teaches another how to spin a web. Bees are not taught how to do their job and what job is required of them. Science cannot explain how eveloution programmed DNA to carry out instinct.

>>126204057
>believing we came from fish makes you smart
>t. fedorautist

>>126203966
Saying Natural selection is not part of evolution is like saying gravity is not part of physics

>>126199277
>DID GOD INVENT GLASSES TOO FAGGOT?
Yes. You better believe it.

>>126197129
>thinking a trillion monkeys couldn't type Shakespeare

>>126197129
>1 post by this ID
Fuck it, let's keep posting.

>>126203966
>the bacteria that died are the exact same as the one that lived anyways

That's not how it works.

Not true, the bacteria that survives requires differences in genetic code.

It does not have the same genetic code as the ones that die.

It is improbable that molecules would spontaneously assemble themselves into an eye. But the eye evolved slowly through many stages. Over eons there are trillions and trillions of random mutations. Most mutations are harmful, but a tiny fraction are beneficial and move the eye to a higher state of complexity. The good mutations self-replicate and survive. The bad mutations disappear. That is evolution.

>>126204382
I sincerely hope you're not white because sharing my race with you would severely embarrass me.

>>126203269
Created really bad and deformed fruit flies that would have had zero chances of surviving.

Advanced systems actually eliminate randomness and chance.

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>>126204355
>Science cannot explain how eveloution programmed DNA to carry out instinct.

I'll take socio-molecular genetics for 500 Bob.

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>>126197129

Yet this still doesn't prove that a God exists.
Seems the religo nut reasoning is find something complicated that you don't understand and say just because you can't figure it out, nobody can. So it has to be a gawd.

Yeah I know of eye doctors who can explain how the eye works. That diagram also is brought to you by people who know how it works. So if mere humans can figure it out...

I don't contemplate my existence, my parents fucked. Problem solved.

>>126204740
evolution of the gaps

just say everything took trillions of years and that makes it all slide together

>>126204054
artificial selection still causes evolution, because the genes that humans saw beneficial survived, just like natural selection causes evolution because nature selected the genes that worked best.

>>126204277
>elvolving to get and eye is easier than a leg
the eye is probably the 3rd most complex organ

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>>126200261
looks quite perfect to me

Not "by accident". Epigenetic pressure and adaptation pressure had some influence on it

>>126204618
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2AJ_O_vRDo

>>126203337
I did not though, I only said that God was punishing us. Whether we think it is moral or not does not matter to him and since we are condemned as a species he is either operating on different moral values or he is a dick.

>>126204834
>I don't contemplate my existence, my parents fucked. Problem solved.
I don't know why, but I find this funny.

>>126200116
You know Jesus wasn't real, right?

>>126204092
The apendix along with some other organs have no real role to play anymore and are only there because at some point we adapted it, and evolution does not know or care if such useless things exists because it works on a basis of changing small things randomly and if that mutation is still able to breed and pass down its genes, then it will continue.

There is no design, it is simply what it is, a result of a very long time of breeding and passing down genetics that are slightly altered each time.

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>>126197129
fuck off

t. medfag

Genetic mutations are referred to as genetic defects. They are not beneficial to survival. Why don't we call birth defects "evolution"? Name me one single genetic mutation someone has that insures their chances of reproduction over another. You cant, because genetic mutations decreases your chance of reproduction.

>>126204841
Still better than saying an almighty omnipotent being just happened to make everything this way.

We have fossil records, vestigial appendages, dna records, and studies of newly evolved traits (like the oxygen efficiency of tibetans) to back claims.

the fact that we see everything upside down and our brains correct the image to right side up is actually pretty good proof that our bodies were in a different position when our eyes first developed.

This is a common point made by darwinists.

Why do you creation fags think god put our eyes in upside down?

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>>126205213

Evolution itself is based on randomness, if you don't buy that then stop praising the digits which also come at random.

>>126201285
He isn't talking to god you retard. He is talking to you christfags who think that god would be moral if he existed. Typical stupid niggers who cant figure out the world for themselfs so they make up stories.

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>>126197129
Do ameridumbs really learn creationism in school?

>>126205179
Jesus probably did actually exist just as Muhammad actually existed, just the story of Jesus is exaggerated on a very grand scale

>>126204905
Not really, the eye is actually fairly simple, both in form and in function. So simple in fact that people were replicating what it does 1000 years ago with the first camera obscuras

>>126202997

There are some fish that just have photosensing cells and even some that have primitive "clusters" of these cells that more align with the conceptof an eye.

>>126205441
Only private schools.

>>126205059
You just did it again. You are attributing the god to your concept of a god, ie assuming that this god conforms to the values you place on that god.

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>"""Virgin""" Mary got pregnant from the neighbor
>Tells Joseph, the cuck, that she is still a virgin, so she must be pregnant from God
>And Joseph, the dumb cuck actually believes it
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

LITERALLY the religion of cucks

>>126205904
This

>>126199577
I know you're probably shitposting but this is a pretty good read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_sexual_reproduction

>>126205228
If you can understand this article, it basically summarizes a more efficient form of a protein that evolved in a remote location of italy.

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2016/11/16/the-long-saga-of-apo-a1-milano

So yes, beneficial mutations have been observed, they're just rarer

>>126205477
How can I evolve some bioluminescence. I would be able to reproduce better than others if I develop this characteristic.

>>126205904

was also my first thought upon hearing the story. mary was probably a basic bitch and that was just the best lie she could come up with. what a bizarre quirk of fate.

>>126198794
What he most likely means is that the sheer complexity of the human eye is something that could never have happened via a mutation which is, by all means, accidental. C'mon Ireland, you're supposed to be Catholic.

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>>126197129
>Using the eye as an example of complex organic structures
>Not the musculature of the hand

>>126206352
>How can I evolve

I don't think you understand how evolution works

>>126206352
You can't, evolution usually happens before you're born.

>>126206619
I'd point to our nervous system or pulmonary system myself. Both are pretty complex in comparison to the eye.

>>126205904
>>126206114
You fucking retards. Please explain to us how that explains Jesus himself, then?

Does it surprise you that God would become incarnate in a special way?

Just because *you* are a bunch of fucking whores, doesn't mean everyone else is, you fedora tipping faggots.

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>>126206416
>Mary was a whore that betrayed her dumb husband and know she is worshiped by millions of cucktholics around the world
Really makes you think

>>126206848
Jesus was a bastard son
Mary was a whore
Joseph was a dumb cuck

>>126202342

I think Genesis mentions fossils. Something about "the beast that dies of itself."

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>>126200444
OC of my loved pet:

>>126206221
How has this protein defect benefited the people over others who don't have this defect? They just say that it is not as destructive as they thought it would be.

>>126206666
>Mutation usually happens before fertilization or happens during Metaphase II of meiosis

Fixed that for you

>>126205179

You know how I know sweden will burn in hell?

>>126207029
No, the article states that the protein actually breaks down cholesterol much more effectively than the initial protein.

>"the mutation did seem to have an unexpected cardioprotective effect"

The second half of the article is about trying to replicate the protein as a drug, but they are having trouble doing that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApoA-1_Milano
The protein significantly decreases risk of cardiovascular diseases. (There are citations of scientific studies on the wikipedia article.)

>>126197129
>Atheists actually believe that this happened by accident

you mean millions of years of evolution?

>>126197129
not accident, it's called evolution

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>>126207131
This is what a genetic mutation looks like.

>hourly """""american education""""" thread

>>126197129

> I don't understand biology therefore it is impossible it could have occurred the way it did

>it must be a mysterious invisible man, that is the only logical conclusion.

kys.

>>126207131
Thanks for the fix, that is more accurate.

>>126207749
See >>>126207616
and >>>126206221

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What do you guys think the average IQ of this people is?

>>126201373
>>Elephants have rapidly started appearing without tusks
That means nothing. That's a reduction in complexity. It's a removed feature. If elephants started growing guns to fight back against hunters, that would be an example of evolution adding a feature.

>>126205333
>the fact that we see everything upside down and our brains correct the image to right side up is actually pretty good proof that our bodies were in a different position when our eyes first developed.
So you're claiming that for millions of years, proto-humans were seeing things first the right side up, then 1 degree to the left, then 2 degrees, and so on, until 360?

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>>126202609
You're trying to comprehend the morality and intent of an omnipotent entity that exists outside of normal causality. It's like an amoeba trying to comprehend human philosophy. It's just not within the realm of possibility.

Honestly, think about it: this entity has observed everything that has ever happened and knows everything that will ever happen. Based on that viewpoint, it's impossible for us to make moral judgments because we're limited to our basic human perception.

>>126207616
>>"the mutation did seem to have an unexpected cardioprotective effect"
followed up by the presumptive statement
>how else to explain the unfavorable blood profiles with the lack of the usual problems?
They are basically saying, they thought the mutation would be bad, but it didn't turn out to have the problems typically associated with such a mutation, so it must somehow be beneficial.

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>>126208003
I think it's safe to assume that nobody there is gonna be splitting the atom

>>126208288
No, they are saying the person with the mutation could live with blood levels that would ordinarily kill people who didn't have the mutation.

>>126207749
>This is what a genetic mutation looks like.
Do you think she asked for a tall one?

>>126206999
Spoken like a true, piece of shit filthy little kike nigger.

Stop projecting.

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>>126208603
Stop worshiping the religion of cucks
Religion is only a mean used by jews to control you:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/10/13/pope-francis-you-cant-defend-christianity-by-being-against-refugees-and-other-religions/

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/02/21/pope-francis-protecting-worlds-migrants-and-refugees-moral-imperative

>>126204841
>evolution of the gaps

There were no gaps.

There are only gaps in the record of fossils which have survived and been discovered.

>>126208449
>just over 3% of the village, so maybe three dozen people in all had mutation.
>one guy had very low HDL and elevated triglycerides
>One would normally think that someone with that profile was at great cardiovascular risk, but the patient showed no signs of atherosclerosis or any other problem of the sort
>Conclusion: evolution

>>126199277
Needing glasses would mean that sky dad screwed up.

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>>126197129
Ahh yes. The eye "argument". 'Tis a good time to take my leave.

>>126197129
> being this retarded

>>126209142
Has anyone stopped to think he may still develop problems? No, he's evolved

>>126207006
What is this and why do i want one?

>>126199701
Rape within the ingroup is morrally reprehensible because it is not benificial. Rape conducted outside one's group is fine because it does not hurt your group. The only objection is feelings because of white pathalogical altruism. Thus why muds rape white women.

Isn't it more feasible that any living, natural thing almost implies an innate tendency towards what is best (as opposed to just anything at all, even its own necessary destruction)?

Aristotle, for instance, seems to deny evolution in the sense that nature would tend to produce absurdities or monstrosities, except by accident. He does, however, at the same time insist that nature tends to what is best.

Does our concept of evolution not also smuggle in the idea that nature tends to what is best?

>>126204740
>Over eons there are trillions and trillions of random mutations.
How many steps do you think something like that would take? Why hasn't anyone actually done the math on it? How many steps would it take for one eye segment to mutate randomly, then spread through the genetic pool enough for another eye segment to mutate and so on? How many trillions of years would it take just for one single organ? And why would these partial mutations even propagate if the organ wasn't even working until completion?

>>126209450
Does our concept of evolution not also smuggle in the idea that nature tends to what is best?
>126207749

Eyes are just a mutation resulting from us all being mutations due to inbreeding.

Adam and Eve began it all?
Who did their children mate with?

>>126209350
The point is the mutation is beneficial since it decreases chances of death from cardiovascular issues.

Also, every beneficial trait starts out small, usually from one individual.

>>126197129
Eyes have actually evolved multiple times by multiple unrelated species.

It's not an accident, they're just useful as fuck

>>126209450
>Does our concept of evolution not also smuggle in the idea that nature tends to what is best?
>>126207749

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>>126197129
If it took billions of "accidents" which it did, then yes.

>>126203966
Are you fucking retarded. Why do you think there is a different vaccination for the flu every year?

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>>126198761
Congrats, that post was good enough for a screen cap.

>>126209515
The organ could change purposes and effectiveness multiple times. Eyes were originally only basic sensors to tell dark from light, which could be useful for many different organisms.

Also, nature doesn't necessarily have to evolve one organ at a time.

>>126206848
>frottage is "special"
Fookin brihyant mate.
4 is a board of knowledge. Go fap to your own ignorance on reddit where that shit is welcome.

>>126199079the number of atheists and agnostics will conintue to grow alongside bether education. stop crying

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Food goes in poop comes out, you can't explain that

ATHEISTS BTFO

>>126199339
trolling?

>>126210022
I'm still not seeing the math. Come on, probability calculations and time needed. Surely it's been calculated?

>>126199216
arabs are servants to white people though. lmao look at the whole middle east.

>>126209413
It's a mantis shrimp and you want one because they look amazing. Might have some sources on them, but I'm not sure if they're bluepilled or not.

>>126209873
>billions
per year, at that. The lottery is easy to win when you have so many tickets.

>>126209450
Kill yourself, liberal. Evolution tends toward the cheapest that's good enough for the conditions.

Where does the "desire" to evolve in a specific way is stored over millions of years? DNA? How do cell understand the concept of storing information?
If its stored in neurons does that mean if several generations of humans think "i would like to fly" will they grow wings eventually?

>>126199421
>see something complex
>"wow this must have evolved for no apparent reason over time from a single cell organism created out of an explosion from a magical near atomic particle which contained everything, and was created and formed by nothing-it just always existed and randomly exploded for no apparent reason thus creating a snowball effect leading to all life theists are so dumb xD"

>>126210228
i guess you havent been to dubai yet.
better dont because you cannot take it.

>>126208185

basically yes, regardless of what position our eyes are in, relative to the position of our bodies, gravity always goes the same way, down. Therefore our brains correct the image to reflect where ground and sky is regardless of where our eye is.

Every baby born sees everything upside down when they are first born. Then as they experience gravity more and more the image corrects.

>>126201373
>Elephants have rapidly started appearing without tusks because poachers kill the ones with tusks the ones that have the mutation that means no tusks without are thriving.
The tuskless elephant gene is an interesting one. It was always there in a very small minority of elephants and it a defect. The tuskless elephant could not protect itself from predators and more importantly it could not compete with tusked males during mating season. Early ancestors of the elephant had tusks at least 12 million years ago.

Suddenly a new predator emerges and the roles reverse. Only the elephants with the largest tusks are killed by this predator, and soon the predator becomes less fussy and kills all tusked animals they can find.

Female elephants were untouched by this new predator, as were the "forever alone" tuskless males. Now the tuskless elephants with the rare genetic flaw each had their own harem and they passed that rare tuskless trait on to their offspring.

In parts of Africa the "rare" tuskless trait now makes up 60% of the population. If left unchecked soon all African elephants would become tuskless. Millions of years of being a tusked animal and suddenly within a century the species is shifting to be tuskless. Without protection the entire species would be tuskless in another 100 years.

Evolution works in leaps and bounds like that. A once unfavorable mutation that lingers for thousands of years being useless or even harmful and it suddenly becomes favorable due to a change in the environment or emergence of a new predator.

Now imagine a future scientist with no knowledge of the 20th century. They would have fossil remains for 9000BC and then tuskless remains from 2500AD. They would ask "where is the missing link? Where is the elephant with half-sized tusks?" as if the tusks shrank over the millennia and then vanished. That is a common mistake made by researchers even now. Sometimes evolution is just a violent and sudden shift.

Eyes blow my mind. I really have no idea how they work. Someone give me the rundown.

>>126209116
Top kek you really triggered the christfag portubro. This is how I have always felt as well. Even as a kid I couldn't help but think to myself, "Virgin mary, huh? Sounds like someone was sleeping around and looked for a way out of getting stoned". Then the superstitious brainlet joseph actually believed it, what a cuck!

>>126210227
Not sure, there would be many factors to account for, like how many units of life are there at any point in time, how likely to mutate are they, how often did they die, etc.

Evolutionary rates tend to depend heavily on how big populations are and how quickly they die, so smaller more short lived things evolve much faster.

If basic eyes evolve from small organisms, there could be near a billion chances over one year if the organism's life cycle is about a month and there is a population of several million.

Now take that and make it 10,000 or 10 million years. It gets more believable.

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>>126197129
Which god in his right mind would make niggers, even if just for entertainment? Case closed

>>126210378
Oh come on, haven't you played Assassin's Creed? We all have memories of all our ancestors, and the golden apple shows us the way towards perfection.

>If its stored in neurons does that mean if several generations of humans think "i would like to fly" will they grow wings eventually?
No you see, they have to jump in the air a lot, and then the magical spirit of Darwin sees that they're striving toward something and grants them a little tiny tumor, then he makes all the females in their vicinity fuck them and inherit this tumor despite it not being stored in actual DNA, then they all get bigger tumors and so on, all while flapping their imaginary wings and jumping up, for gazillions of years, then Darwin's angel puts feathers on the tumors and they become the holy dove of evolution.

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>>126208089
yeah but evolution isnt an sentient being playing largescale spore with the world, its a process of elimination, things that dont work die things that work get to fuck and make more of working ones its all that evolution is it really is that simple. Also you shouldve learned concepts of rna dna its mutation processes including parental heritage in 8th grade bio class if only you werent a fucking idiot.

>>126210690
>muh dubai
Dubai will burn once oil runs out or we move on from it.

>>126200142
But you have no proof that one species evolves into another completely different one.

Evolution/paleontology is the fanfiction of science.

>>126210722
>>Now imagine a future scientist with no knowledge of the 20th century. They would have fossil remains for 9000BC and then tuskless remains from 2500AD. They would ask "where is the missing link? Where is the elephant with half-sized tusks?" as if the tusks shrank over the millennia and then vanished.
Everyone knows "evolution" can remove organs. Are you claiming that it can add organs instantly like that too?

>>126198774
Actually, we wuz.

>>126210378
You have less than even a cursory understanding of the most basic principles of evolution. Fucks sake do some fucking reading online at least. You can find simple information that will explain it all to you. Evolution is not about any "desire" to evolve, it is mindless, purposeless selection, selection not in the sense that someone or something is selecting for traits, but rather that animals who are slightly less well adapted than their peers to their environment will naturally over time die out more and more compared to those peers, especially before getting to reproduce. This allows for general changes to occur over time.

>>126210972
>playing ubisoft games
No wonder you're a christcuck brainlet, huh.

>>126197129
No they don't.

>>126210378
The environment. The desire comes from the need to exist and adapt to conditions. One cell randomly happens to mutate in a way that works with the envionment. It is then more likely to reproduce more and survive

>>126205470

Except cameras dont have a brain, they are making a copy via a lense. The eye goes further by sending signals to the brain.>>126207029
>How has this protein defect benefited the people over others who don't have this defect? They just say that it is not as destructive as they thought it would be.

You arent considering survival and reproduction. It should be obvious that there can be various mutations (all non beneficial or even destructive) occur in a subset of a population, whereby the "least destructive" mutation is passed on simply because the others died out.

>>126210984
>>yeah but evolution isnt an sentient being playing largescale spore with the world, its a process of elimination
So you agree that it can only remove complexity?

>Human eyes
>Well-designed

And God in his infinite wisdom designed the nose and ears so they perfectly fit a pair of eyeglasses

>>126208185
not proto humans btw, you would have to go further back in the tree for the eye to be in a position that is dramatically different from where it is now.

>>126210378
It's supposed to work completely accidentally, like - you have some mutation and you are born with a crest on your back or some additional skin between your fingers that increases your chances to survive, to find a parter and procreate (sometimes a feature that is attractive for your partner may fuck up your survival skills, but it may be still easier to procreate, even if you don't live much longer after that). Basically no special "drive" (this would be more Lamarkist(, just pure coincidence and time.

>>126206352

Youd have to do CRISPR and find a way to replicate to all of your cells that needed it. Unfortunately there is no surefire way to do this although using genetically modified virus to deliver DNA "payload" by infecting cells is currently being researched.

>>126210378
>f its stored in neurons does that mean if several generations of humans think "i would like to fly" will they grow wings eventually?

Things dont happen like this. Neurons or cells dont think. They dont consciously evolve.
For flying, there must be dramatical changes in our environment ( for ex. a new predator) majority of human will die. Only a few people will have mutations and they will have wings and learn to fly. But such mutations must be take very very long time. This is the only way.

>>126210290
>evolution is actually devolution
What

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>>126197129
Christians actually believe this happened by accident

>>126206862
Watch it I almost cut myself on that edge there.

>>126197129
Could you masterb8 on a forum that isn't this one? Faggot

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>>126210722
The elephant thing is very similar to the pepper moth evolving to be better camouflaged during the industrial revolution. The rare dark colored moth was fucked on light colored birch trees but during the industrial revolution tree bark darkened with soot and soon the rare dark moth become the dominant phenotype. They went from less than 0.01% (a once in a lifetime sighting for bug collectors) to making up 98% of the moth population in industrialized countries.

Over the years creationists have made pseudo-science arguments like "birds don't eat moths" or "moths don't land on tree" to try and deny that this rapid color shift ever occurred. Others argued that the moths just "absorbed" the pollution and that is why their color changed. They did not want to admit natural selection shifted favor to the rare dark moth.

>>126197129
I'm catholic but I think the human eye is a botched job, and here's some reasons why, from a medical standpoint:

Only a small portion of the eye (fovea centralis) has a good number of receptors, and provides sharp vision, most of the retina provide only distinction between dark and light, the fovea is speciallized in color perception.

Most peoples' eye chamber is either too small (hypermetropia, aka far sighted), or more commonly, too big (myopia, short sighted), and thus , requiring lenses

There's a blind spot in the retina

After the age of 50 the lens crystallin degenerates, making difficult to focus on close objects (presbyopia).

And a bunch of other issues.

>>126211097
thats because they don't. One creature changes very slightly, then that one changes slightly, then the next one changes slightly. Then after this happens millions of times the millionth one doesn't look like the first one any more. Please bear in mind when I say "the next one" I don't mean that literally in the sense that this is happening in a linear fashion from parent directly to their baby. These little changes happen here and there to a large group.

For some reason you creationists can't seem to get your head around the fact that evolution doesn't mean a monkey birthed a human one day.

>>126212573
How exactly was this evolution when both of those moths existed at the exact same time? Only one type got eaten by birds, and the other didn't so it thrived.

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>>126212726
>God botched it
What manner of heretical filth is this?

>>126213073
>One creature changes very slightly, then that one changes slightly, then the next one changes slightly.
And you know this how? Care to show some fossils that prove this? Or some transitional species living right now?

>>126213162
this. Anon is a retard

>>126212573
They were both there you fucking retard just one was less likely to be eaten so it could pass on its genes easier. It's genetics not evolution

>>126213318
The fossils they have, have big gaps in between. So they don't

life couldn’t form from sugar, protein, water, and lightning we have all that stuff and haven’t been able to create life and the Big Bang form from literally nothing. And the single celled organisms we have found which would be like in what atheists to believe the first forms life have 8-12 chromosomes pairs and 8,000 genes. That doesn't come from lifeless sugar, protein, water, and electricity. Also then where the hell did trees come from too? Also before you say fungus/mushrooms those are more related to animals than plants.

From what I remember the first forms of life were thermalsynthesis (bottom of the ocean at thermal vents). The cell would have to solve all of these problems within it's short lifespan before it drifted too far from the heat, or got destroyed by something physically:

1: Process/digest energy.
2: Establish a barrier between self and the outside.
3: Establish- either actively or passively- some form of Homeostasis.
4: Grow and develop from it's infancy. Hence produce and develop more complex proteins.
5: Reproduce.

You can't explain all of those things in detail, that isn't even the full list. And the odds against it happening within the first 3 billion years of the planet's existence is astronomical.
Nobody understands the big bang. I heard it described as the "everywhere stretch" as the amount of space that existed today did all exist, but was smaller. Or something.

What we do know is our laws of physics break down, and nothing makes any sense. Potentially when the creator was writing/programming them?

Anyone with any experience in higher math and physics will tell you how often triangles, trigonometry and a few irrational, infinitely long and infinitely complex numbers (pi, e, square root of 2, square root of 3, 1/2 square root of 2, the convergence of the fibbonaci sequence) all come up. This is not out of coincidence..

>>126211974
If any Christian is so foolish to imagine that such a beautiful painting was the result of chance or accident, then he deserves a smack on the side of his head.

>>126197129
I'm a theist, but that is a stupid argument.
i can't see shit without my glasses or contacts

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Here is the series of events which degenerate atheists want you to believe happened:

1) A giant explosion/expansion happened for no reason when a wave fluctuation happened and caused an imbalance between energy and negative energy (LOL) which spread countless trillions of tones of material over 90+ billion light years in diameter.

2) All of this protomatter arbitrarily separated itself in to groups for no reason, all the light gasses formed stars and all the heavier elements formed planets and rocks.

3) After several billion years of being a deadly environment which is hostile to life and amino acids, some water and lightning evolved in to amino acids in this toxic environment.

4) Over a billion years those amino acids and other stuff that impossibly formed collected together and arranged themselves in to life for no reason.

5) This DNA was bacteria and this eventually evolved in to fish.

6) Then were forced on to land or be eaten then somehow didn't dry up and die but got back into the water and did that for thousands of years.

7) The ones that survived doing this for dozens of thousands of years without dying, mated and bred with each other and grew legs and lungs.

8) Fast forward a billion years and fish evolved in to dinosaurs, and then dinosaurs evolved in to birds.

9) A few monkeys randomly got larger brains and discovered the art of making tools for the purpose of tribal warfare.

10) 200,000 years after this, tle black science man and Bill Nye the Bachelor of Engineering Guy are making TV shows while dancing around like buffoons to teach people they are stupid animals who are alive for no reason and are a collection of biological cells governed by random electrical impulses in their brains, yet they somehow are superior to Christians and have better morality, even though they change their opinions every single year and would accept Islam when their life is threatened.

human eyes actually suck though, if this is the work of a God, I am not impressed.

>>126213810
But you see with them because we have an intellect sufficient to correct or make up for any such defects.

>>126213318

we can start with fossils of humans that were different from us, or the fact that humans were smaller than they currently are just a few hundred years ago.

Yes I could show you loads of other stuff, but look here, its a good start

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylogenetic_tree

>Atheists actually believe
never start a sentence like that
>happened by accident
someone doesnt understand evolution, no accidents needed.

>>126213542

depends on what species of animal you are talking about. We can trace certain animals all the way back to very simple life forms, manatees happen to be one of them.

>>126211127
>Everyone knows "evolution" can remove organs. Are you claiming that it can add organs instantly like that too?
Don't be silly. Tusks are just elongated teeth and they are not losing organs. It is mostly things like changes to bone structure, hair, color, and behavior that help an animal adapt. We can replicate these easily through selective breeding.

Pure bred dog breeds are only a few hundred years old. Breeders would find a desired gene or mutation and then inbreed the animal to harness that trait. Smaller dog. Muscular dog. Shaggy dog. Docile lap dog. Hunting dog. Sheep dog. Poodle. Doberman. These are all very new and very different versions of the same animal made by allowing only the animals with the favored trait to breed.

Inbreeding will not cause a new organ to emerge. That would be weird. Mammals overall have virtually the same organs we have had for millions of years. There are misconceptions like "cows have 4 stomachs" but that simply isn't true. Specialized versions of the normal organs do exist in some species such as ruminant stomachs but the core building blocks are the same for any mammal.

>>126198031
>>What is the blind spot?

Especially considering species exist without blind spots.

Plants need sunlight to survive, so it's not hard to see how natural selection favored plants with sunlight friendly cells. The same with mammals. It's just slightly more sophisticated.

Actually with the blind spot, WE SEE INCORRECTLY. It's not just a minus, it actually causes the eye to see wrong if you look into it. Which makes sense if nature took what was there and developed something "good enough". Not if it was designed though.

I don't know why I even type this, since I no how futile explaining logic to these dumbasses is.

James Watson (who thinks whites are superior to blacks so /pol/ should love him) said he rarely meets people who don't believe in natural selection. Because people he meets who say they don't believe in it know nothing about it. It would be like me saying the Copenhagen Interpretation is wrong without even knowing what a wave function is.

>>126204841
>trillions of years

Learn to read.

>>126214083
>someone doesnt understand evolution
This rejoined is becoming annoying. Every time I hear it is almost always followed up with some peculiar idea of evolution.

>>126213849
>calls people degenerate
>le BLACKED meme

>>126214347
i think i know what you mean but give me an example or 2.

Even evolution seems like it was created by intelligent design. A system that adapts. Why would believing in evolution mean that there is not a higher power?

>>126197129
Atheists don't think it happened by accident, they still consider it was something called the "cosmos" they just aren't Christian, not hard to understand. They still label God as the "cosmos".

>>126197129
People like you dent evolution because you are still an ape and envy the rest of us.
I rest my case... Up yours Jamal

>>126211312

No

>>126214008
>the fact that humans were smaller than they currently are just a few hundred years ago.
Did they have less legs? Less arms? No head? No liver?

>>126211255
>The eye goes further by sending signals to the brain
Learn to read, homeschooler. The photosensitive proteins and the neural connections came first. The packaging came later.

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>>126210228
Top kek. We've always been the masters weak faggot. Even your president knows this.

>>126211096
>Burger education
Dubai doesn't have much oil at all.

>>126214515
>i think i know what you mean but give me an example or 2.
All I mean is that sometimes, e.g., people will say that evolution is not random or accidental; others will insist that it is. Some will describe it as being highly individualistic; others, happening collectively, etc.

I tend to try to judge evolutionary theories through more philosophical lenses, personally. I'm more concerned about basic rational principles and what implications evolution has for them or what principles are underlying those theories and can be drawn from them.

>>126214915

no, they were humans, humans have all those things. But they were different nonetheless. Point being if humans from 200 years ago could be shorter, then why would it be impossible for humans from millions of years ago to be something entirely different from what they are now? So different they weren't human at all?

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>>126214391

>>126199216
And now the only thing those servants are serving is your wife's pussy.

>>126197129
>Accident
Someone's a retard.

>>126211921
Exactly. What isn't useful under the conditions goes by the wayside. That's why the appendix, an organ meant to digest bones, goes away in humans who don't eat animals whole, and melanin goes away in humans who spend less time in the sun.

All that Augustinian liberal horseshit about striving for excellence is and has always been a self-absorbed fraud designed to create children, not adults.

>>126214199
So you're saying we can trace manatees back 3 billion years to where the first life formed while every mutation is accounted for?

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nigga the human eye is shit compared to the cephalopod eye

>>126201239
so because you cant think of a good argument you call him a faggot?

>>126215524
Wew projecting this much while Tyrone and Jamal are spitroasting your wife, eh? I think you should go clean her up now.

>>126215412
Because it is. The only proof for "evolution" that exist is microevolution within the same species (such as breeding dogs, which ultimately all have the same organs and whatnot anyway), and negative mutations that take away features/complexity/organs or are simply freak mutations (such as two headed cows etc) that can't be inherited genetically.

There is absolutely no proof that a species ever evolved into another species, or that major features can be added from scratch.

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Atheists know only the love of their fedoras.

>>126215389
Well let me be a bit more clear what i ment.
If evolution was not at all random or accidental i would be an exact copy of my father, i wouldnt call the fact that im not, an accident.
Mutations could be called accidents, but they are not needed for evolution to happen or even to have measurable effects on a population.

But yeah i see what you mean, average people dont have a good enought grasp on evolution to talk about it and im not a biologist either, i actually have very little actual education on the subject.

>>126215662
If we had the DNA of every individual manatee, we could do so with mathematical precision. It's all very easy to defer the accounting to an absentee imaginary landlord, isn't it.

>>126215662
You won't find the origin of life from the manatee. The great oxygenation event killed off most of the original methane based life.

>>126197129
>accident
retard

>>126215662

I doubt every mutation, but every significant mutation that separates one species from the next. This is what a phylogeneticist stated at a lecture I went to. I didn't trace it myself.

The tree that teams of phylogeneticist are working on currently is miles long and very complex. It would have been impossible to do without computers. Everyone saying there are huge gaps everywhere are thinking about the little tree drawings Darwin did.

>>126216100
so we can't

>>126199331
>I choose the accident one.
Then you're just strawmanning. Fuck off

Good vision is very energy-demanding. Your vision is as good as it has to be. Living forever is not favorable because it slows down evolution and harmful mutations accumulate in the individual

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unironically belives in the christian meme

>>126215862

You're right, it's impossible to prove because it happens slowly over time. But observation and examination strongly suggests evolution is a thing.

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>>126210722
very informative post

>>126213162
>How exactly was this evolution when both of those moths existed at the exact same time?
One trait simply becomes dominant and the other old formerly dominant one struggles to survive. This doesn't necessarily result in extinction of the old one. Same as elephants. The tuskless trait is dominant in some areas now but not all. It would take a few hundred years of constant or degrading environmental conditions for the old trait to totally die off.

It is like asking "if we evolved from apes why do apes still exist".

>>126213381
>It's genetics not evolution
Evolution is just a species passing on a favorable trait. If a new trait emerges that helps the survival of the animal then that trait will be passed on more frequently. The old trait may or may not be wiped out. You are 100% right that it is just genetics.

>>126215598
>All that Augustinian liberal horseshit about striving for excellence
You realize this is like the penultimate virtue of civilizations, right? To strive to do all things with excellence?

>>126201001
>And yet there has never been an observed mutation for the benefit of an organism
How the fuck do you think insects can get more resistant against pesticides over time? God damn, you're retarded

>>126216574
>>You're right, it's impossible to prove because it happens slowly over time.
Yet apparently fast enough that there's no transitional fossils.

>>126201001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grPUHJmTXGg

>>126215793
They have good eyes? I thought birds had 5/5 sight as they can see small animals from heights of hunderds of meters.

I wish I could have that, imagine being able to read small text from 50 meters.

>>126215862
One hypothesis of human origin considers the human a hybrid of apes and pigs, where human features missing in apes, like the bent tailbone and cancer, are easily found in the pig. Some dude by the name of McCarthy goes down the list of morphological and biological distinctions between apes and humans and finds hundreds of such features in the pig.

>>126216768
Kill yourself, liberal. Virtue is also a load of horseshit. Back in ancient times, honor was more important than larping to please some imaginary friend.
>captcha: church bs11

>>126216524
>Then you're just strawmanning. Fuck off
But it is accident. An animal when being devoled isn't just like "Oh shit I'm going to grow part of an arm" then has it happen.
>Good vision is very energy-demanding.
I'm pretty sure eagles are weaker than humans
>Living forever is not favorable because it slows down evolution and harmful mutations accumulate in the individual
While there are a few that do live for ever by preet much getting younger than older again repeated till it gets killed a way by not old age. Also that literally is the best mutation you retard never dying meansyou can reproduce an insane amount of time

also
>ignoring the one about intelligence

>>126197129
>Atheists actually believe that this happened by accident

Not an accident, but millions of years of a biological arms race and whoever develops the ability to see first, gets the advantage.

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>>126217028
I meant to post this too

>>126217027
> being devoled isn't
developed*. like when it's a fetus

>>126217013
>>One hypothesis of human origin considers the human a hybrid of apes and pigs
But a human head is clearly a hybrid of a cuttlefish and a coconut.

>>126217028
Whoever develops the ability to see first in a dark environment, such as in a cave or undersea, makes a tastier meal.