To all russians: how does it feel to not have democracy?

How does it feel for westerners to pretend to have democracy?

I do not like my wolves to be in sheepskins. If they are going to be wolves, I would rather they show themselves and get it over with damnit.

Good.

>>126153659
What does /pol/ think of Westernized Russian music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2AOjb9HW2E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FH-q0I1fJY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah8QWamNXWk

>>126153659
Says polack. How does it feel to have religious nutjobs in charge?

On a more serious note. Our governemnt has 80%+ approval rating, despite every single russian knowing that there is corruption involved. We like the results, basically.

What use is a democracy if you hate your government? What harm is an autocracy if leader is belowed?

>Implying Poland is not a corrupt shithole as well

It's just that Russia gets more attention than Poland, because they're relevant

>>126153659
Feels pretty mediocre. Not bad though.

>>126153659
Can't say. Have nothing to compare to.

Besides, democracy is heavily overrated.

>>126153659
>>126154198

With all my hate for ruskies, I gotta agree with this faggot. Putin might be a tyrant, but he does a good job from the point of view of everyday russians.

Besides
>hurr durr you have no democracy
as if it was a bad thing. Democracy was a mistake. Monarchy is the way to go

>>126154543
>Besides, democracy is heavily overrated.
It certainly is. It's window dressing on rule by managerial bureaucrats who won't let any real changes occur (see the US today for a good example).

Also worth noting that the countries in Europe that have been democracies for longest are dying the fastest (except the Swiss which are a unique case). There's probably some sort of correlation there.

>>126153659
Russian government is more honest about it, which is respectable. Its not like US is even trying to deny that the deep state and democrats do what they want

Would much rather have Russia as overlord than US at this point, if forced to choose

>>126154586
You know your country is fucked when your people falls for some grade B+ populism measures. Same thing going on all over Europe, people falling for emotions, no more rationality around.

>>126155136
Wrong. The fact that AfD is polling in the single digits and Le Pen suffered a humiliating defeat proves that rural and suburban retards are only strong in the anglosphere.

Mainland Europe is doing fine, the embarrassing fallout from Trump and Brexit has woken people up.

Good.

>>126155830
t. Mehmet

>>126155830
I can only wish, but seeing as people are falling in deeper in the instant gratification hole I'm not that optimistic. Maybe I'm close minded though, this new generation that is coming up might bring some changes.

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>>126153659
But muh progressive causes

>>126153659
Pretty good desu. Democracy is almost a swear word in Russian after 90s and American ""democratizations"" of various countries in 00s.

Pretty bad desu. In my view, Russia looks like a big and exuberant christmas GULAG decorated not with tinsels but with worms, rotten bodies and colorful mildew, the Paradise for the gangrenous and tubercular Kremlin Elder and the Hell for every free individual who adheres to the Western Values. As a prostitute in the leprosarium, barely suppressing vomit, our democratic opposition is forced to play these cruel games, submerge into the bubbling pus of abscesses of dictators, suck from bedsores of General Secretaries and ulcers of the Tsars, rub their bodies off the lichen of the Orthodox church.

>>126155830
>humiliating defeat
You do realise she doubled the best result her party ever had and had successfully transitioned herself into mainstream?

>>126156399
>>126156537
wow mildly different opinions huh

>>126154586
glad to see another monarchist on /pol/

>inb4 hur dur murican monarchist

the american revolution was a mistake, america belongs to england.

>>126153659
what is democracy?

>>126153659
>how does it feel to not have democracy?
Not quite good, but definitely better than having western (((democracy))).
>>126154198
>Our governemnt has 80%+ approval rating
>This is what olkas actually believe

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>>126156537
>individual who adheres to the Western Values
Found the fag.

>>126156537
there is still hope, you can vote for gary kasaparov world wide respected chess master and a true democrat.

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>>126153659
P*land isn't even relevant enough topic to be talked about

>>126153659
I'm sure a Federal Constitutional Republic is absolutely horrible isn't it? Ahhhh...if only masculine skanks with mental problems were in charge, right?

>>126156808
Too late for that I'm afraid. Russia has already boarded the last train heading straight to the abyss where failures of history are buried, It's driven by the fake misborn midget Putin. It sounds like an old jamming gramophone playing a disc of old Soviet newsreels. It smells just as Europe’s privy, it feels as a miscarriage of the Western Values, as a totalitarian pigsty and a communist hencoop. A tiny bloody midget, hands covered in shit up to elbows, standing on his knees pissing into his own soup, shitting into his own pasta.

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>>126153659
kinda ok since we actually never had it

>>126154198
>What use is a democracy

the main use is that you can change the leader peacefully after x years. In autocracy this won't happen and you have to wait until someone stages a coup or the autocrat dies of an illness or something.

Autocracy can work but it has a very low probability, much worse than democracy. For every Lee Kuan Yew you get 10 Sese Sekos and Gaddafis.

>>126153659
It is our tradition to have Kings and be slaves! Fuck off libshit!

But Putin is democratically elected. What do you mean?

>>126156772
Many of them shame us and make us a laughing stock all because of their attention neediness. They say "Hey! Look at meeeeeeeeeee!!!!" comes from not having fathers, I believe. no one is going to take a military full of drag queens, queers and obese women seriously, nor should they.

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>>126156537
It came here too

>>126154198
>How does it feel to have religious nutjobs in charge?
Well we have antiblasphemy laws and it sucks.

>>126156537
You an artist, good sir.

>>126156993
>communism
>not democratic

kek

>>126157088
>But Putin is democratically elected.
Have you heard the Parable of the Clowns in Orange Wigs? Let me tell you.

When Lenin was brought to a circus, he ordered all clowns and female acrobats to undress and then ordered the clowns to rape the acrobats and choke them with orange wigs. And he was standing nearby with his pants and underpants down and was massaging his crotch (with his left hand) and screaming “In the ass! Fuck her in the ass!” And all who did not laugh (mostly Whites) were later tortured in the cellars of NKVD. And all who did laugh happened to be Russians. Such a foul nation they are, they look at an anal rape, they touch themselves between the legs and think democracy has come. And everything with the hands of the left-wing opposition.

The moral: history is developing spiral-wise. And once again, the hand of the democratic opposition is stuck between two legs: one of the KGB, the other of the Orthodox church.

And that's all you need to know about the so-called "democratic elections" in Russia.

>>126154166
I would like to nut on grimes' face desu

>>126156890
t. Non relevant country, Cambodia of Europe

>>126157362
can you explain this parable in a way a non-russian can understand it? wtf am i supposed to get from this

>>126157448
> USA flag
> does not understand

/Thread

>>126157007
You're taking ideal perfect democracy and comparing it to a real imperfect autocracy. Except in real world you can't actually change the leaders to those who would represent the people and not just elites because elites can control and influence the public opinion. And even if somehow you succeed in that despite all odds, your leader won't be able to do anything because those elites would oppose him on every step. See Trump. At least in autocracy, if you have a good leader he has more power and can sometimes act against the elites, even global ones.

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>>126156991
i feel your pain for true russian heroes such as gary kasparov are neglected and suppressed by the totalitarian state that makes even people in amazon tribes weep tears on daily bases / . .\

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzcs6B-3ZDI

>>126153659
Putin seems like a good leader.

I would like us to have a leader which can fire all those corrupt, lazy fucks in parliament if they are not doing their jobs!

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>>126157441
And you're not a country, you're a potato field. Go back to your home, you're not ready yet.

>>126157579
Kasparov is a globalist and anti-Trump, for one.
He's not Russian by the way.

>>126157448
Everything in Russia is under control of state. There are no independent political figures they must follow Putin's orders. Russian politics is just a big clown's show to entertain masses here and in the West.

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>>126153659
our democracy is as fake as everyones

>>126157441
>ireland calling the defenders of europe irrelevant

hilarious, get back to us when you stop the slav menace.

>>126157448
Basically, it's about the fact that the Russian democratic opposition has lost the ultimate battle for the liberal values against KGB ghouls and dirty, hypocritical heterosexuals in foot wraps.

But will you ask me why why Stalin has no ribs? I’ll tell you: he created Putin from one rib and fucks him in the ass with the other one.

“Excuse me, please, what is your name?”
“My name is Vladimir Putin, and I am a Soviet shit-eater. And what is yours, dear sir?”
“My name is Joseph Stalin, and I am a bloody tyrant.”
“Before you start fucking me in the ass with your rib, Joe, let me ask you one important question: why are there so many flies swarming around?"

THE FLIES ARE US.

>>126157007
>Autocracy can work but it has a very low probability
Look at russian leaders. Stalin, Peter, Grozniy(Ivan the terrible). All monsters. All great leaders. Every time we have a strong autocrat in charge we get the country running like clockwork. Everytime some weak, naive, puppy eyed moron takes power, such as Fyodor, Nicolay, or Gorbachev. We pretty much collapse.

It's hard to say why, but top heavy governments that rely on popular support tend to produce best results. Far better than any democratic product ever did. With notable exception of lenin, who was following what we now know to be an idiotic doctrine.

And far more importantly than all of that, it's working for us now, today, the quality of life doubled under him, the greatest concern is not some policy of his but question of successor, which he never fails to deflect with "we are a democracy, go vote" ("lazy fucks" remains unspoken).

His greatest error in all of his time in office was mishandling ukraine, and even than he managed to extract a half decent outcome out of the catastrophe EU worshipping ukrainians inflicted upon themselves.

On Gadaffi: Sure beats what Libya is now.

>>126157999
Every one in Russia is globalist and after Syria bombings also anti-Trump.

>He's not Russian by the way
Like 50% of Russian Federation public and government figures? It is not a problem in the truly multicultural country.

>>126158237
>Gorbachev collapsed country.
Lol.

>>126154586
This, democracy was a mistake, majority of people are stupid

>>126157167
We have those laws yes, but they apply pretty much only near churches. And were caused by a bunch of radical libtard morons having orgy in one. Go figure.

>>126157448
Ehh, it's pretty much "Russia is shit, Russians are inhuman monsters who enjoy watching people tortured" kind of self-hate that plagues oh so much of russian opposition.

Nobody has democracy. All democratic countries ended up as oligarchies. The rest of you are just better at masquerading it.

Who gets elected in US/EU/UK/etc? Parties/individuals who spend the most money on their campaigns. Who funds those campaigns? Oligarchs, corporations, foreign governments and special interest groups.

Wherever you're from, you'd have to be completely delusional to think that we're any different.

>>126158252
>Every one in Russia is globalist
Nah, just libshits.
>after Syria bombings also anti-Trump
Not really, just not wearing rose glasses. We'll have to see some actually important actions to decide one way or another for sure.

>>126156606
Nothing prevented you to create the American kingdom, except royal families would not like to piss off the Island. America was too pleb to have a monarchy basically and gone with what had left.

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>>126158303
b..based russia isn't controlled by je-

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>>126153659
Russia has too much democracy

>>126158309
It is, demonstarbly, true. His blind liberal reforms and luck of will to use tools such as red army and NKVD to enforce unity in time of troubles allowed selfish unintellegent goons like Yeltsin and Kravchuk to tear apart the union from the inside. And his refusal to put down the rebellions he caused by dropping Iron Curtain ensured USSR's demise.

>>126158526
the united states is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

>>126153659
Look at the way the people in control are reacting in America after not getting their way with their election, and after subsequent geopolitical stances put forward by Trump's team, and tell me they actually have a choice. US 'democracy' is little different to Chinese one party government, or that of Russia - they're just more honest about it.

>>126154198
What results
Russia is second world
Your economy is so far behind a first world

>>126158877
It was even more complex problem stretching from arms race, oil prices to just Gorby's mercantile wife and all the things in-between.

>>126158475
i see >>126158187 >>126158056
i prefer your psycho chauinists to these guys

>>126154198
>What harm is an autocracy if leader is belowed?
The problem is (((they))) don't get any control over it, because they can't use media power to tell the masses what to think, and how to vote.

>>126157566
I was not talking about ideal democracy. The peaceful transfer of power is one of the core things for the system to be called democracy at all. And if you look at the western world this has been happening after the elections in almost every country for a long time.

>>126158877
First of all USSR was the country of peoples democracy (libshits will try to object this). Authority figures were mere translators of peoples will. And people uniformly voted to reform USSR (such reforms were the part of soviet constitution BTW)

>inb4 referendum about USSR continuation
Exactly dumb underage libshits don't even bother to check what question was really asked during this referendum lol.
EVERYTHING WAS ACCORDING TO PEOPLE'S WILL!!!

>>126158085
except yours is fake and everyone elses mostly is not

>>126153659
>hya hya hya hya hyA vut are yuu talking about we are of great democracy and of great free

>>126159626
>implying you're any different from the ruskis
top lel

>>126159551
>USSR is a direct democracy
it was a representative democracy with a professional class of bureaucrats. They did not "retire" into a civil life after 5 or 10 years of service, they were there for life.

>>126159535
Yes, that's true, but what if the leader sucks and ruins your country? You replace him next elections democratically except nothing changes because the leaders are not actually in charge, but various powerful elites are. Revolution or violent riots become the only way to actually change something again just like in autocracy, except when autocracy can drive people to that because it's blatant, in democracy you're given an illusion of being able to change your future and you don't protest thinking you will just fix things next election peacefully.

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>>126159271
Quite, but it's about direction, not position. In the 90s people were, quite literraly, starwing. In Moscow. In the motherfucking MOSCOW.

And now we live happy content lives, with plenty opportunities for self fulfilment in private or public sector. Our industries are slowly being rebuild, our international influence is ramping up insanely. We finally made peace with china. I could go on and on, but suffice it to say we are in a good place. And while many argue that it was all oil prices, Oil collapsed and, yet, here we are. Took a blow to be sure, but didin't lose our footing.

>>126159283
Americans have a phrase, all presidents are taught as they take office. "Buck stops here". You can argue and whine about it all day long, but, ultimately, he was the only man in position to keep it together, and he let it fall apart.

>>126159535
Yes, but that isn't the point is it? All major western powers are going trough the crisis of trust with their govt's, with the exception of perhaps Germany. We, on the other hand, are quite happy with ours.

>>126159551
It doesn't mean he get's a pass for screwing up that reform.

>>126153659
>how does it feel to not have "something" you are truly never had.
Same goes to you.
How does it feel to not have independence?

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>>126153659
>not have democracy
ha-ha-ha

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>>126157999
look at the bravo.jpg in my previous post and read what i wrote again svetoslav:) i know who gary the cunt is and what his goal is.

was messing with your 5th collumn friend, so read again keketeeekek.

>>126158173
> Finland
> defender of Europe

AGAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

>>126161641
You know, I bet that entire crowd was fucking screened, or is outright siliviki in civil clothing.

Nothing wrong with that, mind you, just an amusing thought.

>>126156114
new generations all along the west are going to be more brown and LGBT than the current one, this is basically the last 5 years retards like Trump can get into power

and even he needed Russia to hack the election to win by some 100k votes

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>>126153659
(but we need republic, not democracy)

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>>126159900
>It doesn't mean he get's a pass for screwing up that reform.
Nothing was screwed. People asked of CIS they got EXACTLY what they asked. True servant of people. Unlike on the West where "will of the people could be wrong" and they "should be guided to (((right decision))) by authorities (see brexit). Gorbachev had more balls and honesty than all american presidents (LA included) combined.

>>126153659

lol, of all countries, Poland... I`m looking at Western Europe, what`s happening with EU and I`m thinking we chose wrong union desu

>>126154198
This.

The Western democracy is meme and no more anyway.

>>126153936
We are controlled by lizards.
Time to move to kekistan.

>>126162078
>I bet that entire crowd was fucking screened, or is outright siliviki in civil clothing.

Of course, comrade! Everybody of them are FSB workers, even children.

>>126161980
>5th collumn
Did you really fall for the Soros is the enemy of Russia meme? Well, the only enemies of Russia are senile tubercular midgets, geezers with kidney stones, and old hags with genitals falling off, for one's enemies are one's measure. Russia does not even deserve to be reaped by the Grim Reaper: instead of him, God will send three cripples with a shovel and a barrow. God shall not erect stone statures to perpetuate the memory of those yelling “Russia”; instead, he shall send a blind gravedigger and two mourners, one deaf, the other mute. For their enemies are their measure.

>>126153659
You don't have democracy as well

In Athens you didn't have bureaucratic judiciary, constitutional courts, judiciary was collective and it was performed by citizens and citizens were able to appoint people to offices during popular assembly through random picks

Democracy in contemporary discourse has lost any meaning, because it's used only so people can claim that they have more "noble" motivation than their opponents

Both Russia and other countries don't have democracy. I'd say Switzerland is the only democracy

>democracy
>wanting stupid mob rule
Give me back my totalitarian rule back.

>>126162731
You are right, as a greek i can say that today we don't have democracy

>>126162731
it's because ''''human rights'''' has been so broadly expanded. Even today Switzerland gets hit pieces occasionally for being too mean in its democracy.

People aren't allowed to make choices any more, because human rights extends to giving everybody fucking internet or letting everyone move to your country -- and good goys can't vote against human rights! So you can only make democratic decisions on things that don't matter, like what filthy yid puppet is going to enforce the human rights that no one ever decided on

I don't even hate jews but this is factually true desu

>>126162887
true democracy in modern day would lead here, because this is what everyone wants. without God as an autocrat there is no way to find meaning except in the state. Give me my fucking autocrat on earth you already killed him in heaven you damn kikes

>>126162402
>EXACTLY what they asked
That's the fucking problem, mate. The entire point of the argument against democracy is that you can't teach housewife to run a superpower. No matter how much Lenin tried. A good government should be moving in the direction that people want but at a sustainable pace and with keen awareness of all the pitfalls. Putin, for all his KGB habits, did more and better reforms in Russia than Gorbachev ever could. Because he listened to the experts, listened to the people, and did what he thought was best. Instead of running on pure mindless populism like gorbachev.

Look no further than our ukrainian brothers for "Be careful what you wish for" examples. "Lets piss off moskow and shit on the constitiution, that will make us true europeans". Guess what, they now have a candy man in charge whos only peice of political technology is xenophobia.


>>126162731
>I'd say Switzerland is the only democracy
Scandinavia should probably be included. Tho sweden is iffy.

>>126162708
IF you think for a second they can't, you vastly underestimate our gov.

>>126162949
>that today we don't have democracy
You didn't have democracy even before. Do you know how athenian democracy worked? They didn't have modern bureaucracy, they could appoint all officers by themselves!

>>126163228
>Scandinavia should probably be included
Scandinavia is a typical example of a bureaucratic, non-democratic state lol. People there are brainless and completely subservient to state authority. People there think like a mob and cattle

>>126163333
So you are saying that there wasn't real democracy at all

>>126154166
Its garbage

>>126161641
>one country allows guns
>the other doesn't allow guns

>>126154166
What does /pol/ think of Unwesternized Russian music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnyeTcUYovA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zadhMLuWtjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5c9dGt-kYU

>>126159900
What am I looking at? Is that economic growth compared to rest of the world?

>>126163826
>>126163826
Sweet, sweet summer child. In the 90s russia was run by warring mobs. There are still more guns in circulation, legal or not, than in the fucking middle east.

>>126164108
GDP PPP per Capita compared with world average.

>>126153659
Not that bad, actually.

>>126162727
every country on this earth has a 5th inbuilt or imported or inserted due to human greed, envy and hatred. due to many reasons that are out of the scope of discussion. my posts were for lolz. except for the 5th. and gary the cunt is the 5th.

And that thing you got going on about god's vengence is very poetic but utter bullshit excuse me.

If you allow your lands to be infiltrated by ideologies or foreign interest such as anglos, french and germans have allowed you are going for a deep end batyushka. Did you forget soviets allready...how nice they were to russians, oh how nice...

>>126163826
Lol, we can buy rifles for hunting, with optics of course.

And we also have a LOT weapons since WWII. You can simply dig pistols, rifles, machine-guns and grenades from the ground.

>>126164151
Nice growth but isn't wealth distribution still a big problem in Russia? You got cities like SPB, Moscow and Yekaterinburg which are well developed economically and socially but then you have places like Norlisk.

>>126158598
Putin is a jew

>>126163876
What does /pol/ think of Westernized Unrussian music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yxTG5XmOT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yobppwrWm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBQhsoY82sI

>>126164469
He has finngol roots, you dumb monkey.

>>126157007
Here in germany we live under dictatorship

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>>126164616
Probably that international scum has more than one root.

>>126153936
This

>>126153659
>no having (((democracy)))
Feels good man.

>>126153659
Fuck democracy.

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>>126164354
Indeed, MSk and SPb were rebuild first. Than 1mil+ cities. We have to keep an economy working parallel with reconstruction effort, so we can't just do it all at once at the expense of the people like soviets would, but generally it's nice and steady progress. We also asspulled one of the most impressive demographic U turns in history of humanity. Tho central asians were involved.

>>126158309
T.12 year old amerifat under proxy

>>126164849
>has more than one root
Technically speaking, everyone's mixed to some extent. Hell, just remember how you were fucked over by poles and mongols before.

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>>126165107
What did your say?

>>126155830
>>126156114
a gypsy and a kebab licking each other's but

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>>126165107
At this point what EU and USA have is, first, not democracy at all and, second, "democracy" literally means "degeneracy and host nation suicide". A virus.

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>>126165831

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>>126165831
based

>>126163228
>A good government should be moving in the direction that people want but at a sustainable pace and with keen awareness of all the pitfalls
This what was done!

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>>126166302
>minarets

>>126165630
Sunt mai alb decât e mă-ta la buci

>>126153659
>implying poland has democracy
just a bunch of delusional cucks sucking on the EU tits

>>126166947
Than what, pray tell, the USSR isn't on the fucking map. As I said, following the will of the people is not an excuse for weakness or incompetence

>>126168336
>EU tits
Ehh, I'd take sucking tits over dick which so many other small nations do. Their staunch refusal to take any refugees is a sign of independence few are possesed of inside the EU

>>126167709
I work in media, you would shit yourself if you saw the orgy of Russian demonizing. From every corner of anything can produces negative effects/emotions, it is immediately applied to Russia and will only be applied to Russia.
>Leadership
Regime, dictator, tyrant, hitler, fascist, ussr
>Putin
Threat to stability/world peace/security/freedom.
>Putin's persona
Tryhard, overcompensating, cult, small, old, weak, projecting insecurities
>Christians
Persecution of Syrian Christians, radicalizing Christianity within Russia, re-birthing orthodox bigots, muh gays
>Islam
Brutal ethnic cleansing of Caucasus muslims, brutal genocide of crimean tartar, illegal chechen war, death squads, most suicide bombers and ISIS volunteers, igniting Islamic radicalism through brutal campaign in syria.
>LGBT++++++
Anti gay, kill gays, influence muslims to kill gays, kremlin secretly full of raging homosexuals, putin is actually gay, projecting insecurites, russia actually very gay but can't accept itself
>Russians
poor, abused, need democracy, too stupid to elect their own leader - need the western peoples help, bigots, weak, insecure about themselves

>>126168701
>Their staunch refusal to take any refugees is a sign of independence
mate, sucking on EU tits (getting the most cash from EU) is the opposite of indenepdence.

>>126168888
And yet they have shown more independence then france.

>>126169205
the opposite is true. france is in on it, meaning what they're doing is what they want to do.

>muh le pen
women can't lead, and if a politician is pro-israel, she is confirmed controlled opposition.

>>126154198
'80% approval rating'

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>>126168888

CHECK
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Feels good man

>>126153659
>Russis
>democracy
Wat?

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>>126168758
I don't get the hateboner the west has for Russia. Isn't the big economical threat to the west China?

>>126168556
>the USSR isn't on the fucking map
Will of the people. EU kikes would try to object this.

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>>126162638
>Time to move to kekistan
How difficult would it actually be to establish a sovereign nation of poltards?
The biggest problem to its continued existence would probably be procreation, but artificial wombs might make that a non-issue
It would definately have a civil war between the Fashies/NatSocs and the Libertarians/AnCaps and everyone would blame it on the jews

i can only talk for myself but everytime the murican gov says something and say "it was russia" we always chuckle.
i dont know if it's a masterplan of putin but if it is, it is working and making US looks just stupid. add trump to this equation and it look like a circus.

>>126169806
You don't shit where you eat. If anyone is pocketing Western official/politicians, its the Chinese and to some extent the Arabs (saudis mainly).
Plus Russia really is the perfect scapegoat, younger generations can hate them for their social 'backwardness', older generations can hate them for their soviet past.

>>126169809
Yeah, right. Even if that was true, it was advice that shouldn't have been followed. Much like Ukraine's 2014 maidan.

>>126169402
Gallup isn't good enough for you? I know you are used to your race to the bottom system, but that's precisely why we don't want it.

>>126169806
It's not the west, it's essentially left wing of american corporatist elites. They have been bitching about russia ever since we fucked their plan in ukraine, after they fucked our own plan in there mind you. It's mostly an internal US thing with russia only being used as satan to demonize trump and republicans. Because guess what, Corporate left has only 2 paths, stop being corprate and go with sanders, or make their humiliating defeat not-so-humiliating by getting rid of trump.

>>126167836
si cacatu' daca-l lasi prea mult in soare se face alb
you're on a mongolian basket weaving forum. speak fucking english you degenarate

as long as you support the current system of european integration you're just as good as an unwashed gypsy
.

>>126170121
Here, have a laugh.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-spies-chaos-election-2017-5

I fuckin envy them that,

I hope one day a true King will rule The Brigthest Republic (it's not an oxymoron, learn polish history)

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RUSSIANS
I HAVE A REAL QUESTION:

Why when Putin is sitting on a chair he sits in a weird way that it seems like hes got an egg on his ass? or like a device that doesn't allow him to sit right?
I don't want to sound disrespectful but i always wondered why sometimes he sit kinda weird

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>>126170494
>stupid goy we know better

>>126170571
Liniște că îți dau o palmă de ți se împrăștie fața aia de trollău prost cu educație de chan

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>>126170843
> he sits in a weird way
What do you mean exactly?

>>126159900
>Americans have a phrase, all presidents are taught as they take office.

That's a BS phrase meant to distract people from the fact that the CIA keeps criminally installing dipshit drone presidents who are blackmailed into following orders against the citizens.

>>126153659
Feels great

>>126171370
ive seen some videos of him on meetings and he always sit leaning towards some side (right of left) but usually right.
i may be wrong though.

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>>126170843
He's short but is sitting in a encompassing power exuding position as a show of strength/dominance. Sometimes this looks awkward depending on the angle of the photo.

>>126170843
It's a matter of not crouching. Crouching is seen as below his station. Part of the carefully crafted image he has to maintain maximum popularity. probably doesn't even account for 1% of support, but hey, it's cheap.

>>126171222
scrie ba abominatia pizdii in engleza ca ne facem dracu' de cacat. si oricum la ineptiile exprimate de tine poti sa te apuci sa uiti romana
ia hai cu palmele prin tastatura neiubitule.

>>126171678
thanks for the answer ivan.
>>126171634
thats what i was talking about. this picture shows the position that i found weird.
thanks for the answer too.

>>126153659
No one has democracy , silly

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>>126153936
>>126153936
This one hundred percent. I am always gonna get blasted in the ass by some faggot, the least they could do is not pretend it's anything else.

i may have been fooled by russian propaganda, who knows, but when he talks he sounds far far into reality than most world leaders. it seems he knows history and this is important to understand present.
meanwhile trump talk shit and blame his people for not knowing.
and china is on the rise even though i doesn't think this is a good idea.

quick note to ivans, mikes and wang fus: please forget we exist in case you guys get into a war. we may be stupid but some of us actually loves to live.

>>126172769
Eh, you are way too far for us to care really, we don't even have a navy decent enough to reach.

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>>126153659
I wish this self-hating Russian fuck can fuck off. Everyone can see through your script and its getting repetitive. It's dull, boring, and pathetically laughable.

You are literally in every Russian thread. You should really fuck off. I know your father probably abandoned you and you are putting your frustrations of him towards our glorious country.

Seriously fuck off to your faggot master Soros.

This goes to every self-hating libshit who dares post under the Russian flag.

If you love western values so much I suggest you trek from wherever your living to Libya and go together with those filthy rapefugees. You fit them so dearly.

In Russia one must believe in only 3 things. God, Tsar, and Country.

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Daily reminder that median monthly income in Russia is 370$.
Daily reminder that Russian government spends significant amount of money on Internet propaganda (including paid shills on 4chan)

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>>126173012
wonderful. let's keep that way. we also don't have a decent navy and i'm kinda glad of that right now.

>>126153659
FeelsGood

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>>126173382
unlike you, the internet warrior for truth and the higher purpose of liberal tolerance yet without an arbitrarily selected position amirite

>>126153659
Democracy doesnt even exist in modern times.

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>>126157007
>the main use is that you can change the leader peacefully after x years

Kek, keep believing that if it makes you feel better.

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>>126154198
>when more than 100 percent of your population turns out to vote

>>126153659
Are you implying democracy is a good thing?

>>126171846
Numai un prost ca tine se poate face de căcat vorbind în limba strămoșească.

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“If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.”


― Mark Twain

>>126154427
It feels pretty mediocre over here too.

>>126177242
ba imbecilule, sa scrii aici in romana ii ca si cum ai vorbi in arba pe bus in Berlin, denota proasta crestere.
Ideea ii ca daca esti pentru Uniunea Europeana ii ca si cum ti-ai baga pula in tot ce tine de tara si istoria ta.
SI inca astept palmele alea bai orfanule

>>126180132
Îți tragi singur palme cu memeurile tale de copil. Numai autiștii și tinereii anti sociali văd ceva rău într-o uniune care garantează pacea în Europa de 70 de ani.

Marș la Putin câine.

>>126153659
With all that is happening right now in Poland I just hope you won't be forced to find that out for yourself. Russians are fucked hard without lube by their tyrant. But our little bully has already started goping us.

>>126181860
ba incultule, echilibrul intre NATO si tarile apartinatoare Tratatului de la Varsovia au garantat pacea. Din momentul in care s-a dezmembrat URSS au fost razboaie chiar langa noi.
Si o Uniune Europeana ca cea de dinainte de Tratatul de la Mastricht ar fi fost perfecta. Ce vezi acuma ii o monstruozitate care distruge natiuni si culturi mult mai eficient ca comunistii

>>126182888
Am realizat că ai sub 18 ani așa că nu are rost sa continui discuția.

>>126183316
probabil is mai batran ca tine.
nu, probabil ai realizat ca nu esti in stare sa continui discutia si mai bine taci dracu decat sa te faci de cacat

>>126171634
>He's short but is sitting in a encompassing power exuding position as a show of strength/dominance.
Everyone with half a brain realizes that's only because he has no strength and is not dominant.

>>126153936
If we are pretending why do you bother to follow us, just go full retard.

>>126154198
It's good you don't have democracy I suppose, idiots who admit they are idiots shouldn't be allowed to govern.

>>126185231
Say with me. "President Donald Trump"

>>126185547
It's great to say that, now go bow to your emperor.

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>>126153659
Honestly, is Poland so much better off than Russia?

>>126185547
At least we are not saying President Hillary Clinton. Good job on that by the way, you guys do great work. Give us four more years, for a laugh?

>>126154198
I want to move to Russia. Humans like leaders. We need leaders. Russia has a strong leader who is looking out for the country and the people of the country. That's what I want.

>>126185926
go for it.

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>>126185547
>>126185926

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>>126185926
Might want to learn Russian first

>>126153659
>he thinks that Russians want liberty/democracy/freedom
Russia functions properly only when the boot om it's chest is the heaviest.

>>126185920
>At least we are not
That's the problem with US corporate democracy. They are selling 2 piles of shit and asking you to chose the one that doesn't make you vomit.
>>126185913
He is not quite that vain.
>>126185926
Do be forewarned, what is good for one culture is death for another.

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>>126153659
auful

>>126153659
to all americans: how does it feel to have russia?

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>>126186755
>That's the problem with US corporate democracy. They are selling 2 piles of shit and asking you to chose the one that doesn't make you vomit.
But the problem with having a "Dear Leader" type of guy like Putin running the show for decades is that he eventually dies... then there is usually a bad time.

>>126169806

the chinese infiltrated our media silently, but are now openly buying out hollywood

>>126153659
>EU
>democracy

Ruskie są spoko kiedy akurat nie planują zniszczyć Polski

>>126153659
democracy is so great. having a bunch of uninformed, indoctrinated morons voting in idiot after idiot is so fucking essential to a free society. Obviously Russians are suffering for lack of this flawless system of government.

>>126157297
>USSR
>communist

>>126187146
That is true, but the thing is, putin wasn't born yesterday, and not some lone maverick. He is a product of a long standing autocratic tradition educated by the last respectable institution of USSR, who is to say that Kremlin doesn't have a replacement or two lined up. Given UR size, I'm pretty sure there are plenty statist bastrads with a touch of kleptocracy and imperialism to replace him. The problem really is to pick successor that is satisfactory to all factions. Striking balance is the real issue.

>>126156769
Even western polls put it around 80% you're wrong.

>>126187665
>who is to say that Kremlin doesn't have a replacement or two lined up.
Putin will never die
he will just switch his brain to another clone
this is why you are doing head transplant for that programmer with terminal disease this year

>>126162474
You are free to brexit and join back with your motherland.

>>126186755
I somewhat disagree with your first statement.

I'm not sure about your second statement.

I totally agree with your last statement
>Do be forewarned, what is good for one culture is death for another.

>>126187665
>Striking balance is the real issue.
Exactly. Putin is perfect for the Russian spirit of the times as it stands right now, but if he dies at a bad time and Russia becomes polarized between, say, Neo-Bolsheviks and Orthodox Fundamentalists, it could be a big problem.

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Democracy is serving Israel. Oy vey .

>>126186392
дa, я знaю.

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>>126188844
Google translate says you're speaking Bulgarian, which I assume means you're doing a good job. Very cool. Keep it up Anon!

>>126153659
Fucking great man!

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>>126153659
Imperia does not need democracy and tolerance. But Imperia need good education for everybody plus simple and clever laws.

Vote for Putin's clone in 2050!

>>126153936
SPBP

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>>126153659
democracy doesn't work

>>126189001
Didn't use google translate dick face. If I did I would have done something longer like "
Дa, я пытaлcя yзнaть этo нeкoтopoe вpeмя, нo ни c кeм здecь, ктo гoвopит этo, этo дepьмo пoчти нeвoзмoжнo. Я нaпиcaл этo из oгpaничeннoй cyммы, кoтopyю я знaю, нo вы знaeтe, чтo тaкoe FUCKING LEAF! Иди, тpaхaй ceбя, Клeн Hиггep!"

>>126153659
Do you think there's real difference between western style and russian "democracy" besides weapon rights?

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>>126189696
I wasn't accusing you of using google translate. I used google translate on your post. Learn to take a compliment, dick face.

Democracy breeds degeneracy. Wish we didn't have it here in Amerifat.

>>126189034
>British isles gone
Is this how you repay the anglo after centuries of fun?

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>>126190484
Sad as it is, you are correct. I read that the fall of the Soviet Union spread degeneracy such as crystal meth to Russia. Personally I'm still quite glad to live in a free country but freedom comes with its price.

>>126153659
how did it feel to have your entire government assassinated in a plane crash?

Still better democracy than usa

>>126190847
savage

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>>126155830
>doing fine

>>126186255
Putin has a good cute girl laugh. Pretty man.

democratic countries tend to be the most cucked. if USA was a "real" democracy, we'd all be saying madame president.

>>126189885
LOL! I think something happened and I was distracted which lead me to completely misreading your post. Sorry about that Leaf. You're a cool guy.

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>>126153659
I dont associate democracy with freedom or well being, so it feels fine. Never understood how having an option of chosing who out of 8 candidates will do what Soros tells him to do is essential. Moreover, you are not a democracy too, since you are in the EU, which ruled by people who nobody voted for and have no options to remove them or their laws and regulations they forcing upon you.

>>126188472
Those my friend, are not the factions of the russian eltie. There are roughly speaking 4, 2 general, each divided in 2 specific. First level of split is Civilian and Military. Civilian breaks down into oligarchs who only care about money and the bureaucrats, who run the country and write laws. The Military is devided between army and spec ops.

Those are pretty much all the factions we have. Our political parties are more or less for show. I mean, yes, there are more beurocrats in Commie party and UR is full of businessman and spec ops representatives. LDPR is pretty much run by KGB since day 1, and everyone knows, Zhirik only gets votes because he is funny.

As to Orthodox folks, Kiril is ex-KGB, so is half the fucking church.

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>>126153936
THPOOKY LIWARD PEOPLETH MAKE ME GO DOO DOO IN MUH PANTSU

>>126192346
>I dont associate democracy with freedom or well being
I don't know about you, but having a choice is typically considered to be better than none. If you think the choice doesn't matter, then you don't have to choose, which is itself a choice.

>>126153936
*tips fedora*

>>126189696
Лыcый кoт!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RCE6yFO15A

>>126193053
> having a choice is typically considered to be better than none
Nah, it gives you an illusion of being able to really influence things, leading to unfounded expectations from reality.

>>126193533
well if you are that pathetic, ya you shouldn't bother.

>>126156537
This post makes me want to read a Dostoevsky novel!!!

>>126193812
Enjoy voting for two identical parties forever, I guess.

>>126153659

Slavs can't be trusted with a real democracy. They'll just vote for whoever promises them the most free vodka.

>>126156537
This is actually pasta, but I don't remember the source.

>>126156772
Gosh, put a fucking wig on him and that boipucci would belong to me.

>>126154586
>>126154198
Even Athens knew a Tyrant was necessary to refresh a democracy.

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>>126184874
>The strong are actually weak

>>126197827
You must be a putin pussy.

>>126170843

Russians - is this true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsbq94Qypho

Do your military leaders or FSB agents walk with this gait trained on purpose?

>>126199012
I don't know about his walk, note that Medvedev is shown walking the same way and he was never a KGB officer. If I were to guess it's just what happens when you are used to keeping one hand in your pocket while walking, and then suddenly you have to wear suits and you can't do that.

More importantly, the whole "KGB" thing is ridiculously overblown.

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>>126153659
>To all russians: how does it feel to not have democracy?

You have illusion of democracy. You have two party system where only two parties have any chance of getting elected and both parties have same interests.

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>Country has its royal dynasty murdered by Jewish Bolsheviki
>Keep the Bolshevik leader's dead body on permanent display
>Kremlin still allows this to go on today despite knowing what Lenin and the rest of his Jews did

Why? Why do Russians actively revere Jews who enslaved and murdered them? Why does the Russian government continue to go along with it? With all the information Russians have access to, how is it Lenin's body hasn't been vandalized and dragged though the streets yet?

>>126153659
Soon you'll find out.

>>126199012
>>126199489
I suspect it's a combination of factors. Immitaion is of course the highest compliment. I further suspect that our top officials are trained in self defence by KGB regardless of their origin or position. Call it institutional paranoia. We call it not getting shot.

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>>126199598
Survey of Russian people.

First chart: how do you feel in general about
Lenin
Khrushev
Brezhnev
Andropov
Gorbachev
Yeltsin
Putin

Second chart: How do you feel about Stalin?

Colors: Dark green - reverence, dark red - disgust, hatred, and all shades in between. Blue - don't know.

>>126200160
It's just homo bravado, male version of the catwalk.

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>>126198256
Nope. Just recognize slave morality for the shit it is.

You will never amount to anything.

>>126201351

Yes, especially given that despite watching OUR politics for years I have not seen it before today.

Stop projecting. Macho, for a russian, is a foreign word.