Have the Greeks been Germanized?

>>126136236
They just had a riot again yesterday because they had to agree to another Troika austerity strike on them.

The thing is: They won't see a cent out of their surplus. It will all be used to pay denbts.

KRAUT'D

I don't get it, the Greek government made a profit, so instead of having to pay back the Germans they are getting more money instead?

>>126139168
Thanks to the budget surplus they can make debt to pay back older debt

>>126139304
>>126139168
And here we see the system that the globalists want. Keep us all in debt forever, never able to approach their cherished thrones.

>>126139450
Honestly it's in part Greece's fault for not being fiscally responsible. Without the bailout funds they would have been basically forced to declare bankrupt and become Argentina-tier

Greece is dumb as fuck

They combat their crisis by making it harder and harder for people to earn money and turn in a socialist state that steals from their citizens to pay back debt lol

>>126139751
And you're even dumber for allowing them to spend your credit card..

You don't deserve any money back imho as a warning to you for future reference.

>>126139168
>instead of having to pay back the Germans they are getting more money instead?
No, they have less debt now to roll over. The alternative was letting them default, i.e. not giving them a guarantee to roll their debt over.
But it's just not enough. They are fucking broke while being squeezed to death already. Let them go already and let's make up some transition gibs for them. After all it's still Europe.

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>>126139626
LET IT BE THEN

>>126138986
This.

Greeks are being absolutely squeezed.

But they had it coming. I hope they recover fast

>>126139819

pay 100 Billion Brexit DEBT!

>>126136236
Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen.

>>126136236
No. They only made a profit because they sold everything that wasn't nailed down.

didn't they have some of the highest working hours in europe according to some study a few years ago? maybe if they could get rid of their corrupt leaders and actually bring themselves to pay taxes their country wouldn't be in such a state.

>>126136236
On another note:

The German cuckoldry towards the EU was always been shaped in words like "We don't want a German Europe but a European Germany".
Not sure how much of that is left. Even our dumbest fuckwits of politicians (apart from the far-left ones) want to impress a German understanding of the world on Europe. And I'm not only talking of the moral imperialism that Orban complained about.
It's really everywhere, from monetary politics to labour organizations and environmental stuff to even simple things that were formerly a part of local culture and way of life.

And I really don't really see how Germany is now European - except for half of Europe migrating here because it's the last place where you can get a job and make money.

there's no budget surplus, it's all lies
the government is holding onto the reserve cash of contractors and pensioners. They haven't been paid for several months.

>>126143627
*some pensioners

>>126136236
I hoped they would collapse desu, because it seems like the only way they could learn.
Hard to believe that one of the greatest civilisations in the world got this tainted by dumb turk genes.

>>126139626
Wouldn't that be better at this point?

>>126146831
It would be an interesting question for sure. Ask the Greeks if they want to have their culture changed in ways that make them more similar to the German one but also more economically successful.

Or if they'd rather reject Germany's help and suffer through hardship for a while but retain their own cultural identity.

Both sides have pros and cons, but no one would ever dare to word the question so clearly. Instead they'll continue with half assed shit and going behind the back of the population.

>>126146831
No, because then who would (((they))) launder money through?

Last I read their new data looks rather fishy. Like it's 1980 all over again.

>>126147052
>but also more economically successful.
Yah, no so sure about that buddy. Just look at their gdp growth rate.
Besides, cultural suicide sound infinitely worse than a bit of hardship.

>>126147628
Germany, as in the country, has basically nothing. Weather changes so strongly between seasons that we go from people freezing to death in winter to people dying from heat shocks in summer, it has scarcely any natural resources (at least none that matter today) and there isn't much food provided by the environment, you need to grow and raise it yourself.
Yet Germany is an economic super power due to its culture (which borders on turning people into robots at time).

I am pretty sure that if you slapped German culture onto Greece, it would economically recover.

I do agree with you though, cultural suicide is worth than a period of poverty. Would still be interesting to see how the majority thinks about it though.

>>126147884
>cultural suicide is worth than a period of poverty
*worse obviously

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>>126147052
>>126147628
>>126147884
the majority of people dont want change, they just vote for whoever promises the most gibs, like they did back in the 80s
it is why everyone with half a brain leaves the country eventually

>>126149188
I have a friend who studies in Greece and told me that shops only work at certain days of the week and at only a few hours. Is this true?

>>126150440
(I am not the one you quoted)

Yes, it is true. Greece has traditionally been full of small/family businesses, and these businesses could not have had their stores open 24/7. So they made it illegal for everyone, to keep competition down. Nowadays there are many exceptions to the above rule.

>>126150754
>these businesses could not have had their stores open 24/7
...Why?
There's loads of family owned stores here and they all open every day of the work week and mostly Saturday.

>>126153208
OK, "could" was too strong a word. They wanted EZlife (ie, "Just let everyone know that stores are open specific hours, and customers will adapt around that schedule").

Although I don't agree with it (I am in favour of competition), this made some sense back when Greece was more or less isolated with a small internal market. It did not make sense any more when we enter the EU, but voters demanded it so that small businesses leveled the ground a bit with the incoming corporation onslaught.

Nowadays the situation is better, although there are still some problems.

>>126147884
> I am pretty sure that if you slapped German culture onto Greece, it would economically recover.
You can't just slap a culture on to something and expect a huge amount to change or for the old culture to go away, there are so many (actual) memes, ideas, etc. entangled up, do you know how complex culture is and how hard it is to get it to change?

>>126158359
They sure as fuck managed to kill of large parts of the Prussian mindset, so it definitely doesn't seem impossible.

>>126139751
It's literally logistically impossible for them to truly pay back their debt in normal terms though. They would either have to
a. Slash taxes and bring about a huge number of incentives to massively spur foreign investment and domestic innovation and increases in productivity through things like becoming an IT center, software hub, etc.
This option means they won't get the necessary taxes to pay things off
b. Continue with normal growth and raise taxes drastically
This means they'll choke their economic growth and even with good enough marginal tax returns won't be able to get enough total returns to pay off their debt. That's also coupled with Greece's large problem of tax evasion.

I'm sure the submarines were worth it, though?

>>126158473
Yeah who would have thought that killing shit tons of people is one way to change things, especially most of the people with a particular mindset. Note that I said hard, like a war would be, not impossible.

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>>126158359
>You can't just slap a culture on to something and expect a huge amount to change or for the old culture to go away,

Of course you can do that. Germans can make Greeks into Germans. Greeks just need to adopt our flag and learn German and accept our overlordship and governance - and eh voila, in a few years, they are perfect, hard working, wealthy, export crazy Germans.

I am not even kidding, this is 100% possible.

>>126158668
The submarines are to protect them from the cancer that lies in Anatolia. They probably jerk off every day about dreaming about those Greek island and to their gay wrestling.

Can someone bomb us please? It has gotten boring losing more and more money every year with no end in sight.
Just kill us please or make us wage a war or something.

>>126158639
The 2nd has been happening since 2010.
They take measures that massively increase taxes and then they increase them even more when said measures backfire because businesses start going out of business.
It's stifling the market and there's no end in sight.

>>126159201
Say youre not paying any debt, say fick you to getmany and leave EU

>>126159441
Wish it was my decision or even my countrymen's but it's obvious the government gives 0 fucks about public opinion.
I mean even during the referendum that happened a few years back Greeks voted No to more austerity measures and the government was like "nah fuck that shit mane".

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>>126159441
>Say youre not paying any debt, say fick you to getmany and leave EU
That is what we told them years ago. They fucking refused.

>>126159441
And then be Venezuela-tier for 10 years?
Especially now that Erdoroach is going crazy and we know for a fact we can't rely on you or any other NATO ally?
Cyprus found oil. We also found oil. Recovery will come in time.

>>126158639
we dont need more taxes, we spend way more than we should but no party is willing to reduce our gov.spending by a significant amount

>>126159642
Their government was too addicted to easy money and gibs. Makes sense desu familia.
>>126159441
That's almost certainly not going to happen, Varoufakis basically talked about how it would make Greece South America-esque.

>>126138986
People don't even care nowadays.

Yesterday the parliament voted on massive cuts and the people were watching Survivor, instead of protesting

>>126158473
The "german" mindset of today is mostly just the Prussian mindset minus the war mentality. Of course it's a change, but you make it seem like some other part of Germany pushed their culture on Prussia, even though it was mostly the other way around.
For me it seems like even though most of Prussian (and German) culture in general has been lost or forgotten in recent years that's not because they got taken over, but because of several "influences".

>>126150440
9:00-14:00 mo/we/sa
9:00-14:00 + 17:00-21:00 rest of the week and sunday off is like the standard hours for whole country but most open at 8:00
i worked 9:00 to 21:00 at a small store, it's basically where you live at, on tourist areas they work like 18 hours day, even the small businesses

Fuck off niggers we'll never pay
annex germanistan when

>>126159623
They voted "No" to the measures that were proposed at the time.Then Tsipras went to EU and said "Here,we deny these measures cause the people don't want", they replied with "Ok,either get out then or get these new harsher measures" and Tsipras agreed, so he technically kept his end of the bargain, denied the first measures.He's just so smart!

>>126161147
>annex germanistan
Shouldn't you first worry about not being annex by us?
Not like I'm pro EU or anything, but I don't think pride when there's nothing to be proud of is something you should display.

>>126136236
>245 billion went to Greece

Hahaha, wtf did they buy?

>>126159646
I've been hearing about those oil reserves we have since i was born, still nothing.Worst thing is that people probably overestimate them.

Anyone with basic knowledge of modern Greek history knows this is our fault

Going to say this before /pol/-tards start spewing ignorant bs

>>126143627

Also this for anyone who believes Greece has a "surplus" It's an artificial budget surplus

>>126161322
>germany
>anything to be proud of

kek

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>>126161398
No, they're legit.
People have been speaking about them since the 80s. Then all the data was 'lost' in the 90s and up untill 2010 everyone said that oil in Greece is a conspiracy theory.
Then Cyprus found a huge amount and the same vein runs inside our own seas.
Early studies suggest there's decent amounts in the Ionian as well, and very large amounts south of Crete.
We're talking about reputable professors here, not conspiracy theorist nutjobs.
We do have oil and we're gonna need it because who the fuck is gonna support all these pensions for the next 20 years when already 400k young people have left.

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>>126161331
>Hahaha, wtf did they buy?
A shitton of F-16s. No joke. I think they have like 150 of them. The problem is that Greeks are so stupid, they let their F-16s stand outside on the parking lot so that unemployed Greek youngsters can spray them full of graffiti.

>>126161331
Financial crisis.

>>126161715
All going according to plan
we will nuke you desu
we'll buy the nukes with your gibs

>>126141268
They don't have the capital to work with.

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>>126161715
Don't forget the LEO2A6 tanks we bought from you.
You also wanted to sell us EF Typhoons and G36 rifles but the whole financial crisis thing happened.
And let's not forget the subs that you delivered faulty initially.
You weren't so smug about our spending when we were still buying weapons from you.

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>>126161678
>missing the point completely
I didn't express my opinion on the current state of Germany at all, however it's a fact that at this point in time, Merkel is the de facto ruler over the EU and Germany is in the process of germanifying Greece.
You're not at all in a position where you could even try to annex us, whereas there's a real possibility of it happening to you under the guise of us helping you with "economic restructuring".
Which is why I told you to keep your delusions and pride in check. Being unaware of your own position is what probably got you into this mess in the first place.
Germany is in a bad position, but that doesn't mean that you could in any way capitalize on that or that you're in any better of a position.

>>126161702
>We do have oil and we're gonna need it
Well,that's good i guess.I just think that,even if we do end up paying our denbts (somehow), we'll still end up in a shitty position later since the biggest problems is our mentality (and politicians huehue).

>>126162255
tl;dr stay mad krauty

>>126161702
Just because you have oil doesn't mean you can make an appreciable amount of money off of it. There are so many factors that go into it.
> Extractability, how you can do it, how much it costs
> Market saturation, if there's already a lot on the market you might barely make any money from it or none at all
> Quantity, if you don't have a good amount it won't do much because you'll be priced out by bulk producers like the Saudis
But the biggest is oil quality, if you don't have high-quality, sweet crude oil and instead sour with a lot of sulfur in it and you don't already have the refining plants built up from already being a producer than you'll have to export your oil for refinement and won't make nearly as much money as you would have from it. That was in large part Venezuela's biggest problem with their oil.

>>126160124
Probably getting tired of doing the same protest every couple of weeks

>>126162353
Epic comeback. You truly showed the intellectual might of the Greek spirit.

>>126162306
Lol we're never gonna manage to repay before the EU collapses
oil will be useful when we join UBF tho

>>126136236

Nur noch ein bisschen Bruder. Dann gehört Europa uns.

>>126162416
>wasn't even a comeback
>kraut is mad

seems good

>>126161715
Its called the Domination victory, retard

>>126141268
Yeah but how much of the time they spend "working" is actually working? That's one of the major problems of hours worked in terms of trying to quantify productivity, ask any German you come across what work is like even if they have low working hours, when they work they do fucking work and get things done. It's probably way different across different countries, but there's probably a lot of non-work going on in many Southern and other European countries.

>>126139450

>mfw literally this
>mfw Germany is the only country in the world that actually tries to reduce its debt
>mfw bankers around the world all cry about germany not increasing its debt in times of low interest rates

The fact of the matter is that Greeks just need to work harder. They're not very hard working people. And they're certainly not as hardworking as the Germans. Arbeit macht frei

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3337243/Teenage-prostitutes-selling-sex-price-sandwich-Greece-s-crippling-recession-pushes-prices-time-low.html
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/greek-prostitutes-sell-sex-little-price-sandwich-1530949
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-22/greek-prostitution-soars-150-youth-unempoyment-hits-75-some-areas
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/young-greek-women-selling-sex-for-the-price-of-a-sandwich-new-study-shows/2015/11/27/c469695e-94d9-11e5-b5e4-279b4501e8a6_story.html

brb making my sandwiches on the way to athens to germanise the greasypussies

>>126162522
>"Uns"
Ja sicher, als ob wir irgendwas davon hätten außer mehr Nafris.
>>126162546
You completely misunderstood my position, my simple friend.
I'm anti-EU and anti paying denbts, therefore I am not mad at all.

>>126162391
I'm not sure about quality and such, but from what I understand the matter was not looked into in the 80s because it would cost too much to mine it back then.
But now, with Europe so reliant on Russian oil and natgas, it's not only a financial but also a strategic matter.
Even if the preliminary studies turn to be a bust, all the LNGs and pipelines that will bring Israeli and Cypriot (both have started mining) oil and natgas into Europe will go through us, elevating our position.

>>126162678
>burger

checks out

>>126162691
you actually expected me to read what you wrote kek

>>126162415
Honestly this, protests should mean something (theoretically) but people here have become desensitized to them.Basically protests in Greece usually end up being "Just another Tuesday" or an excuse for public sector workers to get a 3-day weekend.

>>126162907
March on the capital with the protests and take it over

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>>126162904
Let me guess: You were just pretending to be retarded.

>>126162907
meh if we don't completely shut down big areas nothing will happen

do you think a coup is likely? i doubt it desu

>>126163183
No, still tl;dr
stay mad

Can't we just abate some of the debt

>>126163591
pay reparations Hanz

>>126163318
If it's even possible for you to not understand sentences this short with a single glance (which you must have made since you replied) I truly fear that there's no future for Greece.
I am, by the way completely aware of the fact that you're just trying to "troll" me and others. I'm mainly posting this for other people who have similar tendencies, to show them how much of an idiot they may make of themselves by acting like this, even more so when representing their country.
I also believe that it is you who is mad.

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>>126163591
>Can't we just abate some of the debt
What does "abate" mean? This word and the word "forgive" is not in my vocabulary.

Also, a bit of hard work never hurt a soul.

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>>126136236
Now you know why (((they))) want to destroy us

>>126163805
>being this mad

wew lad

>>126163986
oy vey delet this goyim

>>126164058
Such a display of anger and probably despair doesn't make me mad at all. It just makes me sad, especially since we're on the same side politically.

>>126164175
reddit pls go

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>>126161715
Dont forget the subs and 400 of these bad boys

>>126164218
Anything else you want to tell me? I'm there for you.

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>>126163986
i didn't know your country was muslim

>>126158639
Pretty much this.

They're going with B and they're killing all business because nobody wants to lower government spending.

>>126164231
I don't think I quite understand this.
Why spend gibs on weapons instead of infrastructure? And if buying weapons was part of the deal, what good does it do you?
It's not like 400 tanks will help you economically.

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>>126164310
then Sweden and UK should have been first

>>126136236
>Have the Greeks been Germanized?

Not really, the surplus is not sustainable.

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>>126164440
that's a good point

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>>126164231
>nothing to eat
>no jobs
>no money
>but look at all this shiny military equipment

I will never understand why poor countries think the military is more important than economic stability and wealth.

Hans isn't an enemy.

We simply need to accept that salvation only exists outside of the EU. It's a model that served nice and less nice but developing Eastern economies. Greece is in a de facto economic depression despite the IMF using recession as a term to avoid having to anger our European partners.

Give national currency a chance and we will be out of this hell in ten years. While tech exports will be lower and all tech stuff infinitely more expensive like 60s Greece, food prices will be relatively okay.

Accept the necessity of abandoning our cushy western bed and we will recover.

>>126136236
They're lying obviously. Greek people always lie about their finances to get more free shit. This is true both when it comes to individuals and governments. If you ever go to a bar with a Greek (don't!) they will drink round after round without ever buying a single one themselves.

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>>126164411

You are not the one who is surrounded by enemies.We literally had war with all of our neighbors

>>126164574
pretty sure most greeks think that by now
grexit when

>>126139940
It will take a long time to recover from a situation like that.

A default would have been probably much better than what it become now.

>>126136236
The Greeks? Germanised?

If you mean overrun by rampant immigration and violence with a certain 'religion' linked to it then you are correct...

>>126164658
>We literally had war with all of our neighbors
>saying that to a German
Hmm...

>>126164683
It's 4 out of 10.

I am sad most of our compatriots pick the easy path of apathy and politician blaming.

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>>126164658
not everyone ;)

>>126164728
Well played...Seig heil

>>126164574
>Give national currency a chance

Hahahah... Hans don't let them do it.

No seriously I don't want to line up for bread and milk every morning.

>>126164728
You're cucking them through economics. Well, you're trying to. Somehow Poland is remaining pretty much mudslime free.

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>>126164791
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oh shit wrong picture

>>126164728
France doesn't have territorial claims in Germany.

Turkey, Albania and Macedonia do.

>>126164728
>France
>Poland
>Swiss
>Denmark
>enemies

wew

>>126164828
There won't be bread lines. Food imports won't be an issue.

it's tech that will be expensive

>>126164828
LOL under the EU you could be...Might need to give up land and housing for new immigrants if Merkel carries on islamizing Europe

>>126164521

Tell me about it.

*cries in burger*

>>126164521
What's the authority of a state that cannot defend its own existence?

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>>126164521
>I will never understand why poor countries think the military is more important than economic stability and wealth.

Who kicked the turks out of the balkans in the 1800s. Me, that's who.

>>126165009
Well played American, show the Greek the redpill...

>>126165051
Ignore such bait, brother.

Burger say, burger do.

>>126164720
We're talking about being germized, not UKUCKED

>>126165009
Isn't the point of our military to scare the Chinese from the South China Sea and Taiwan? I don't any other purpose for a military this fucking huge.

>>126165122
You cannot impose a culture with austerity.

Exit from the EU and defaulting on our enormous debts is the only solution.

>>126164411

Because of the fucking turks you dumb shit. You never know what these roaches are planning and greece literally needs a decently strong military so it doesnt get pushed around by erdoshit.

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>>126162678
>They're not very hard working people

wew lad

>>126165073
>Who kicked the turks out of the balkans in the 1800s. Me, that's who.
That was quite some time ago. I am talking about today. The Turk is not threatening your country. You are just imaging them threatening you. You can concentrate on your economy if you wanted to.

>>126165122
M8 you could Germanise jackshit afer WW2...Couldnt even put your seed in the dirt without NKVD being all over your ass...KEKY BOII, how can white Germen men even compete lol

>>126165239
This is clear bait when Turkey violated our airspace over a hundred times two days ago.

those lazy greeks should be enslaved and made to labour in work houses or concentration camps until their debt is paid off.

>>126165373
1 post by this ID

>>126165073
Now wars are done with economic leverage, without it you won't count nothing, see the various economic sanctions againist various european countries like mine, mostly only germany controls the european union and with that it's attacking the various economies of the other countries.

A good exaple is the infraction againist FCA because of a car that has sightly higher emissions, something like that happened with the Wolkswagen group and guess what happened?

Nothing.

>>126147052
>Ask the Greeks if they want to have their culture changed in ways that make them more similar to the German one but also more economically successful.

So... import nogs and goatfuckers. Got it.

>>126165224
>>126165122

Can't blame the German people for Merkel's mistakes...any politician that supports ethnomasochism shouldn't be in power.

>>126165239
>The Turk is not threatening your country

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2017/05/16/turkey-continues-to-violate-greek-territorial-waters-airspace/

>>126138986

you mean the 0% interest rate denbts, which will disappear anyway when italy leaves the eurozone?

>>126165236
>be Dutch
>work one hour
>get paid 25 bucks

>be polka
>work a week
>get paid 5 bucks

>>126162255
Stfu

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>>126136236
No

Just wait till you see the colossus of rhodes theyre making

>>126165529
Pay isn't the same as productivity.

If anything you argue we should be paid more.

Thanks

>>126165335
>This is clear bait when Turkey violated our airspace over a hundred times two days ago.
and you did fucking nothing, did ya?

>>126165611
T. Mehmet
Einmal döner mit allem

>>126165611
No joke here but...Germany would probably rely on NATO to resolve any military dispute with Turkey

>>126165611
We intercepted them and they went flying back.

>>126161715
are you retarded?

>>126165239
>The Turk is not threatening your country.

It's power balance that keeps the peace.

>>126136236
>unlocking more bailout funds
Sounds like a video game.

>>126165723
This.If we had a small and weak army they would have already invade our islands

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>>126136236

Germany will use the influence and FORCE Greece to accept immigrants... MANY immigrants

>>126165855
You do have a small and weak army...its NATO that keeps the peace...

>>126165601
>productivity.
over here we get paid for our efficient productivity.

You're prolly right but then again, you peeps have to bribe anyone in the local go's to get anything done.

>mr. garbage man can you take away muh garbage pls
>sjoer! but first pay me a 100euro's pls ehehe

>>126165611
This is an every day thing by now.
We send our own planes/ships to intercept.
It was all fun and banter untill Erdoroach went full neo-Ottoman and asking for some of our islands.
There's also the oil the Cypriots are starting to mine that Erdoroach wants a piece from but he can't get.

>>126164855
>Poland is remaining pretty much mudslime free
And I hope it stays that way.
>>126164873
Actually, France, Russia and Poland are at this moment occupying German land.
>>126164873
>Turkey, Albania and Macedonia
>being strong or brave enough to attack a NATO and EU member
>>126164920
>>126165224
I admit that Greece is in a hostile environment, while Germany is only threatened by Russia, you don't honestly want to tell me that when you're in a state of total economical collapse and get gibs that would be enough to buy infrastructure which would have a real chance of getting the economy running again, the best course of action is to buy fucking tanks and planes.
If you just buy weapons with the money you get and to pay denbts you just raise taxes that business is dying even more then you'll never get your economy back and at some point, when Germany doesn't pay anymore because it's a Caliphate, you'll sit there with rusting tanks and no economy against Turkey who actually do have an economy.
>>126165573
If you have differing opinions please voice them. I'm happy to discuss.
>>126165895
The migrants are already in Greece. That's where they land.

>>126136236
being germanized is the worst fate a man can endure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMQkV5cTuoY

>>126165959
>Netherlands
>Small country
>Small population
>high productivity
>big wages

should look at the swiss, they roll in money

>>126165959
Not the garbage man, but I agree corruption is big here.

We should direct reforms towards that and set out harsh punishments for it.

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>>126165950
>You do have a small and weak army...its NATO that keeps the peace...

>>126165950
NATO sucks roach dick on a daily basis over Incirlik.
Every single time there's been some sort of dispute our 'allies' are always on the roach side despite international law being on our side.
Our military is comparatively large for our small country, and it needs to be to make it more trouble than it's worth for the roaches to invade.

>>126166006
NATO is notoriously Turk friendly.

Nobody would bat an eye if Turkey attempted to seize important islets.

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>>126136236

Guess what, they always were!

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>>126136236
Okay and now it's our turn, give us more gibs so we can rebuild old german architecture.

>>126166329
Alright, since I don't really have grasp on local politics there I'll just have to believe you.

>>126165950
We have the biggest army in the EU.Even from you.You only have bigger fleet

And your army is pathetic lol.Got crushed by IRA rebels ahahaha

>>126166438
What Greece could do is sell the more expensive offensive weaponry and opt for its good strategic assets.

>>126166567
Wrong.
Our ability to strike strategic targets deep within their mainland is one of the biggest factors that's holding the balance.

>>126166073
Yeah because their country is in large part built on being a banking center for rich people to offshore shit tons of assets, not like it has to do anything with being astoundingly more productive than anybody else.

>>126166085
Do you think corruption this wide spread is easily dealt with? or even reasonably easy?

I know from countries like Vietnam or arab countries corruption is so embedded in society its virtually impossible to fight and even sustains the actual economy (people's economy) more then anything governments can do.

>>126166797
It's always worth a try than giving up.

>>126166714
If you honestly believe the war will extend beyond Thrace/Islands and maybe Cyprus I am keking excessively.

>>126166956
>It's always worth a try than giving up.
tru dat bro

>Greekniggers hire (((Goldman Sachs))) to cook their books and get into the EU
>Rack up huge denbts on gibsmedat
>Chickens come home to roost
>Refuse to pay denbts

Is there anything more pathetic than Greeks?

>>126166956
You don't seem to understand.
Our ability to strike at those bases, dams, hydroelectric stations etc etc with long range weapons or air strikes is what makes such a conflict unfeasible for the roaches.
Why do you think the roaches are trying to buy a strategic AAA system and trying to develop their strategic M/SRBM capability?

>lie on your numbers
>bubble explode
>germany steps in to save your ass but demand budget cuts
>lie on your numbers again
poor germoney

>>126167164
But that's literally what the German leaders hoped for.
They want to make the whole of the EU a German protectorate.

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>>126167127
>implying not paying back the jewish bankers is not the ultimate redpill

kys abo nigger

>>126167363
>Greek taxation is 45% + 25% for > 40k Euros
ROFL

Literally a communist country. Nuke it.

Do you kiss the boots of the government for the measly 30% of your income they let you keep? Holy fucking shit.

>>126167132
Touche

>>126167271

This is also partly true.

>Work hard in Greece
>Get decent 60k Euro job
>Nearly three quarters goes to fund the gibsmedat of the niggers you import

How have you not literally suicided? Holy shit.

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>>126167164
>idiot bankers give unlimited loans to people who basically are broke
>idiot politicians let them into the euro zone so that they have an overvalued currency
>idiot people keep voting for these politicians
>country eventually crashes
>German bankers look like pic related
>German bankers beg their government again for tax money because they are too dumb to manage a bank
>government spins it so that it looks like we're helping Greece pay their debt back but essentially we only bail out our banks
>Italian dude on /pol/ falls for it

>>126167625
The amount of actual niggers here is small.

You have to be a Greek citizen to receive welfare.

The welfare state has also been decimated by austerity cut.

Please do a better reading on the situation next time, anon, it will really help you improve.

>>126167898
So it goes to the gibsmedat of the boomers and white niggers?

Not only does 3/4ths your income get taken from the start, but you have a fucking 24% sales tax.

How do you even afford to live in Greece?

>>126167987
You leave bills unpaid or you immigrate.

>>126167833
>idiot bankers give unlimited loans to people who basically are broke
Yes, Goldman Sachs are definitely idiots.
How fucking out of touch can you be?
>idiot politicians let them into the euro zone so that they have an overvalued currency
See >>126167271

The rest is just plain bs.

>>126166453
>Got crushed by IRA rebels
citation needed

>>126167987
Tax evasion. None of the rich Greeks actually pay.

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>>126167512
>>126167625
nobody pays that shit m8

>>126165969
>It was all fun and banter untill Erdoroach went full neo-Ottoman and asking for some of our islands.

Dodecanese to italy.

>>126139168
they made a profit and all that profit goes to creditors, so they are doubling up so that more greek profit goes to creditors... a la ponzi.

>>126168276
>>126168247
Is your IRS that incompetent? If you tried that in Australia you would have some tax suits on your doorstep quick.

>>126167987
>>126167625
Tax evasion is basically a national sport in Greece.

>>126168310
Please get your shit in order first, Alberto.

How's the mafia doing down there in the south?

Getting bullied by India in the Indian Ocean?

>>126136236

What do Greeks do all day? Do they just kind of hang out all day?

>>126168371
Greeks are very good at laundering money.

>>126168482
Do businesses hire people cash-in-hand (under the table)?

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>>126168310
When Milan wins another CL maybe.

>>126136236
I hope not
When i visit them i want to experience greek things

>>126136236

Greek guys are cute :^)

>>126168527
If only that was the only thing they do.

At the height of the tax-evasion culture they would carry baby product boxes and rig their machines.

>>126158777
Spoken like a true leftist who has no sense of how much thought processes are influenced by culture.

>>126168637
carry the money, that is

>>126136236
>get in debt
>get given more debt
>destroy future of nations inhabitants with austerity
>get rewarded with more debt

One does not escape the debt cycle my dude
You die and it keeps going

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>>126168634
We wuz girls n sheit?

>>126168697

FUCK OFF DEGENERATE BREEDERSCUM

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>>126136236
>budget surpluses
>good for the economy
the point of a government isn't to make profit

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>>126168753
W...wa....what?
What is the matter Vācieti?

>>126168173
>Yes, Goldman Sachs are definitely idiots.
I'm not talking of Goldman Sachs. I'm talking of Deutsche Bank you fucking idiot.
>The rest is just plain bs.
Tell me why it's bs you fucking pleb. Then go suck more CDU cock. Wake the fuck up. People in Greece don't receive 1 cent.

>How fucking out of touch can you be?
Yeah right I'm the one that is out of touch. Ever heard the word "bailout"? The big banks only still exist because of nepotism.

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>>126168879

Oh, it's you <3

>>126168821
>When the government loses billions paying for gibsmedat, you win
Fuck off Trudeaunigger.

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>>126164521
because since nixon we have a fiat currency that is backed up by nothing but our military pointing a gun to the world's head.

>>126168371
>muh gubmint is way better than yours
lmao you really think that rich Australians don't evade taxes? Jesus this board...

>>126168821
Fucking wtf do you think the purpose of the surplus is? To spend it on other shit.

>>126136236
thought the "greeks" were basically turkish genetically, actual greeks having been genetically bred out by conquering turkish hordes too many times?

>>126169072
It's literally impossible to evade income taxes. The ATO (IRS equiv) scans all bank transfers. If you receive more than you claim you get audited.

As a company you can evade taxes with complicated legal structures, however.

Personal taxes, you aren't evading that shit.

>>126169094
Then it wouldn't be a surplus.
Austerity as a response to economic problems is a retarded policy, you need govt. demand to at least temporarily make up for all the private demand lost.
The only one who wins here is Germany.

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>>126169267
>thinks that rich people have their money at an Aussie bank

>>126167625
>>Get decent 60k Euro job

60k a year ?!

>>126168930
oh hey bavariabro <3

>>126169044
DELETE THIS.

>>126168634

oh, hello there :*

>>126169537
How do you get it back in the country genius?

>>126169424
>you need govt. demand to at least temporarily make up for all the private demand lost
How about government not messing with the economy and only taking what is necessary to protect the borders and grant social peace?
>The only one who wins here is Germany.
German banks. German big business. People with a lot of money. The average German citizen gets fucked by paying for all that shit remember?

>>126168904
It's bs because the German leadership wanted Greece to be in the EU and be poor so they could assert more influence over the region. It's pretty obviously working.
The bailouts weren't because of Greece.
>People in Greece don't receive 1 cent.
When did I ever say that.
In this very thread I'm complaining about them buying German tanks instead of infrastructure.

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>>126169930
>How about government not messing with the economy and only taking what is necessary to protect the borders and grant social peace?
That would be libertarianism, which is not practiced in most European countries.

>>126169424
The surplus is going to be spent on debt, I never said anything about austerity or anything, which is retarded, but in this instance it isn't like the Greeks have any other choice.

>>126169884
PROTIP: You don't

>>126169959
>It's pretty obviously working.
So what influence did we gain in Greece?
>The bailouts weren't because of Greece.
Yes but they are part of the same scheme. Banks doing bad business. Tax payer has to pay for it.
>In this very thread I'm complaining about them buying German tanks instead of infrastructure.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Look at your tax Euros go to the pocket of a filthy rich weapons contractor in your own country. And the best thing is: You don't even have a say in it.

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>>126164873
FYROM you idiot(malaka), not macedonia

>>126170949
We might as well accept that Macedonia is the name now.

Δεν μπορεις να kανεις αλλιως.

>>126170677
>So what influence did we gain in Greece?
Economic reforms and after the next economic crisis I'm guessing a protectorate.
>>126170677
>Banks doing bad business. Tax payer has to pay for it.
The 2008 financial crisis is something separate from Greece's cooked books.
As far as I'm aware the only bank that helped to falsify Greece's books was Goldman Sachs, which won billions during the crisis.
>Look at your tax Euros go to the pocket of a filthy rich weapons contractor in your own country. And the best thing is: You don't even have a say in it.
But I didn't even say anything about that to you and I definitely am not in favor of bailing out Greece. I personally think the EU should be disbanded or changed drastically.
>>126170786
>everyone who disagrees with my economic view is a commie
Socialism works pretty great for Germany (except for all the people coming to Germany for gibs and ficki of course).

>>126171238
> Socialism works pretty great for Germany
Germany isn't socialist

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>>126136236
>Have the Greeks been Germanized?

I don't know. Do the Greeks enjoy the taste of Muslim semen?

>>126136236
Greece has the following problems
1 Politicians steal too much
2 Population steals too, is lazy, slacks off.

Greek businessmen are sleazy cocksuckers, they'd rather sell their mothers to albanian pimps than pay taxes or respect the law.

>>126171532
Yes it is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

>>126171040
C UC K

>>126136236
The eternal fuckin' kraut
Leeching like the Jews of Europe they are

>>126139751
i'm sorry did you fucking krautsoup call my country *dumb as fuck* you goddamn children of killers uptight ashole fucking hag piece of shit. hypocrite liar

HEY you helped yourself to Greek money in WW2, where the hell is it you fucking punk, you still havnt payed a dime back.

dont you shake your finger at me you fucking babboon , i'm going rip it off and feed it to your children

faggot deutsch trashcan whore GFYS

>>126171755
That's still a capitalist market economy.

>>126169930
>How about government not messing with the economy and only taking what is necessary to protect the borders and grant social peace?
Recessions without govt. intervention take a very long time to resolve themselves.

>>126171926
Don't worry greekbro, summer is here, you can have your share of fertile germanic wombs to fill up with hellenic cum.
Your romanian bros will also send german women back to the fatherland happy they were consensually colonized by thraco-dacian virile seed instead of weak german-turk diseased cum.

>>126171796
>cook books
>get into EU
>go broke
>borrow money from Germany
>ok, but you have to change some of your wasteful policis
>ok, will do
>does
>netherlands: FUCKING KRAUTS
>>126171933
I wouldn't exactly call 70% income tax a capitalist market economy.
Maybe my understanding of this is flawed, but as I understand it, in /pol/ jargon socialism just means high taxes, welfare state and big daddy government, which Germany all has.
It's even in the name of the economic system.

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>>126172174
>money from germany
>implying you didn't leech all that shit off other EU states as well
The biggest Jew scam in all of European history. Well done.

>>126172353
>implying you didn't leech all that shit off other EU states as well
As far as I know all of that money was gained through trade. What country and in what way has Germany leeched off?

>>126172174
The fact is that Germany is pretty much the only country to benefit from the EU free trade and strong currency.
Exporters win, importers lose.
The EU was never sustainable in the long term.

>>126172174
> Maybe my understanding of this is flawed, but as I understand it, in /pol/ jargon socialism just means high taxes, welfare state and big daddy government, which Germany all has.
That's because /pol/ is retarded about the subject, socialism is basically the abolition of private property and the creation of a workers' state where the workers own the means of production and the second to last step to communism. What you just described is state capitalism with some extra stuff layered on, but it's still fundamentally capitalist underneath it. Private property, the most important part, still exists, people can still make tons of money off of merely owning and manipulating capital, etc.

>>126172438
Germany DID dismantle other country's industry by proxy through EU policy and by outright bribing politicians to sell it for scrap metal/buy it and make it into scrap metal.

We have a few foreigners in prison for that, including our own politicians, more are going to get jailed soon.

Maybe that is what he was talking about ?

>>126171238
>Economic reforms
We would have much more radical economic reforms if we just put them out of the Euro, let them devalue their currency and thus encourage private investment in Greece.
>The 2008 financial crisis is something separate from Greece's cooked books.
Recognize the pattern: Banks do retarded investments. Tax payer has to pay if they lose their money. Tax payer gets nothing if they gain money. Jesus this isn't so hard to understand is it? Also read this: http://www.handelsblatt.com/finanzen/banken-versicherungen/griechenland-krise-deutsche-bank-stellt-sich-auf-hoehere-abschreibungen-ein/4653536.html
>Socialism works pretty great for Germany
No it only works for rich people. These are the people that hold shares of or own companies who employ cheap labor. This cheap labor is subsidized by the middle class (google "Aufstocker").

Refugees are here so that labor stays cheap. They also create vast amounts of jobs in the asylum industry who is basically another siphon for money earned by people with real jobs.

Our whole economy is completely artificial and becomes less and less stable with each day. One day this country will crash bigly. The elite will be long gone by that day. But you will have to stay in your caliphate.

>>126172525
>where the workers own the means of production

Wrong, the state does and by the state I mean the government officers.

>>126172089
>Implying there is a recession without government intervention

>>126173189
It's a natural part of capitalism.

>>126173189
Piove, governo ladro.

>>126172514
Which is why thee EU should be left by anyone that doesn't want to be a German colony in 10 years.
>>126172525
And what exactly would the difference between socialism and communism be with that definition?
>>126172631
Honestly didn't know that at all.
If that's true on a large enough scale to have actually made a country go from a trade surplus with Germany to a trade deficit, then I would definitely count that as leeching.
I don't really think this is the case though. German media reports pretty much every single bad thing you could even think about if it's about Germany itself.
>>126172830
>Tax payer gets nothing if they gain money
Didn't I make it clear enough that you don't need to tell me that? I know that the elites fuck people over, that doesn't mean writing something about Deutsche Bank wanting money belongs in a Greece greentext.
>No it only works for rich people.
I'm not rich and I'm getting a pretty good education for free. My city (Hamburg) is beautifully kept for the most part (at least better than most other cities I saw, including pretty much all American one's), healthcare is free (hospitals aren't healthcare in Germany though, they're health hazards, but as long as you visit a doctor instead of a hospital you will actually be treated well).
You can also get nice jobs and earn lots of money with the free eduction you're provided with. What's not to love (other than people trying to leech off our system)?

>>126172144
YOURE RIGHT BROMANIAN BRO . I“MA FUCK PUSSY ASS AND MOUTH ONLY GERMAN WHORES THIS SUMMER. AT LEAST 10 GERMANS WILL HAVE HAD THEIR MOTHER SUCK ME OFF AFTER I FUCK HER ASSHOLE. I'LL ENJOY IT MUCH.
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>>126139837
KRAUTS, YOUR. MOTHERS ARE THE PROSTITUTES OF GREEK SUMMERS. EVERYTIME YOUR MOTHER KISSED YOU A GREEK WAS PROBABLY FILLING THAT HOLE WITH CUM 10 SUMMERS AGO AND THE LIPS ON YOUR CHEEK WERE WRAPPED AROUND HIS DICK.

HUE HUE HUE
OPA OOPA COME
ZORBAAAA ,
WE EXPECT YOU

>>126173376
Tell me how it happens. Maybe you are right.

>>126173610
it's that time of the year again?
when the sun shines and the weed is running out?
gas yourself nigger

>>126173922
ADE GAMISOU RE POUSTI GAMIMENE, POULIMENI KOUFALA

>THAT WAS YOUR PERTINENT REPLY

>>126173623
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/businesscycle.asp
Explanations deffer depending on which school of economic thought you subscribe to but, I prefer to explain it with the accumulation of private debt that occurs during expansions by businesses and households.
Companies borrow to expand production as they expect a lot of demand, at some point that demand doesn't materialize and companies can't repay loans, companies default on loans, workers lose jobs, and then you have the classic spiral of less jobs>less demand>less jobs.
Capitalists are still human and don't make perfectly rational decisions.

>>126173557
>that doesn't mean writing something about Deutsche Bank wanting money belongs in a Greece greentext.
Dude this shit isn't about Greece. This shit is about you and me paying for our bad banks and shady corporations. This shit is about abolishing capitalism for corporatism. Deutsche Bank plays a great part in it. Go deeper:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantik-Br%C3%BCcke#Extract_of_member_list
>What's not to love (other than people trying to leech off our system)?
That it's not sustainable, unjust and will get worse in the future. Also do you really think that you couldn't afford all the things you mentioned if 50% of your or your parents paycheck (before VAT etc.) didn't go to the government?
http://www.oecd.org/berlin/presse/belastung-durch-steuern-und-abgaben-in-deutschland-weiterhin-deutlich-ueber-oecd-schnitt-11042017.htm

Can't Greece just tell germany to fuck off and pay its denbts to NATO instead?

>>126136236
They've been Germanized to some extent. That's why some of them look Greek, some others look like Turks.

>>126138986

Remember how Hitler got his power in Germany?
>make Germany pay impossible debt
>make German companies sell patents
>French literally took brick by brick and rebuilt it in their country

Any similarities with Greece? Funny how in Germany they teach that Hitler just got to power because "post-WW1 conditions were unfair leaving the perfect scenary for someone like Hitler", but then they literally do the same shit with Greece.

>>126173557
T.amerinigger

mimim we are such a backwards country build only on lies and deception and now everything is coming out muh guns muh dick.

fuck ami you gota go home!

>>126168904
>People in Greece don't receive 1 cent.
Yes, they do. About one third of the money is used to pay denbts, another third is used to keep banks liquid and the remaining third goes into the Greek budget paying for everyday shit.

>>126136236
>AADE, an independent organization not controlled by the government, collects every income to the state and handles it as they like (Pay creditors first policy)
>TAIPED, an independent organization not controlled by the government, catalogues every state property including resources and national wealth, to sell for "investments".
>"Investors" take money to invest out of the "bailouts", which were already meant for Greece anyway - so essentially they make their "investments" with our own money.
>Besides that, Greece doesn't receive the bailout funds itself, these go to pay old debt by creating new debt and therefore recycling the debt problem eternally.
>If fiscal targets are not reached, creditors according to latest MoU (voted only last night) can independently decide on more austerity until fiscal targets are reached, bypassing lawmaking procedures.
Oh we sure have been germanized!

So I guess it's wrong to say that the government doesn't pay its contractors, so we appear to surplus. Because the government is not in control anymore.
But yeah, just like it's been said before in this thread, the only reason we appear to have surplus it's because contractors who work for the government are not being paid. Also some pensioners and public state employees are not being paid. The government is unofficially withholding its payments to these people just to reach its fiscal targets.

Also
>245 billions have gone to Greece
>Germany footing most of the bill
Come on, you guys, I thought mythology was a thing of the past.

>>126174516
This shit is about abolishing capitalism for corporatism
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?
I'M TELLING FOR 3 POSTS NOW THAT I FUCKING KNOW THAT.
>That it's not sustainable
I don't know, so far it works and it has for a long time now.
>unjust
How so?
>inb4 taxation if theft

>will get worse in the future
That's speculation.
>Also do you really think that you couldn't afford all the things
I couldn't, since my parents aren't wealthy. Why do you think people come out of college with 100k debts in the US?

>>126174614
What? Did you reply to the wrong post?

>>126173557
Socialism is just a transitional state to communism. In socialism there's still probably a government which owns much of the property, money can still exist, a state as we know still exists, etc. Communism is basically stateless, the workers own pretty much everything, and there's no money.

Serious question:

Is this fake news or EU propaganda?
I went to econ school and this doesn't make any fucking sense. Greece has been raped by the EU for years, and without ant monetary policy it is virtually impossible to get out of such crisis.

I feel like this is some german plot to say "s-see? The EU wasn't the cause of the crisis".

>>126175212
I prefer the definition of Socialism as it was used in National Socialism (e.g. high taxes, welfare state but still with private property).

>>126175256
When you read things like Greece has received 245 billions and Germany's footing most of the bill, you know it's bogus.

>>126174567
Greeks don't look like turks, turks look like greeks

>>126165239
You prepare for war in times of peace, German or Turkish anon.

>>126174492
Ok now the same cycle with the state in it:
>Companies borrow to expand production as they expect a lot of demand
>at some point that demand doesn't materialize
>companies can't repay loans
>bank risks losing money
>workers risk losing jobs
>government jumps in, takes money from profitable branches of the economy
>subsidizes branches of economy that aren't naturally profitable
>profitable branches are under more pressure from government
>unprofitable branches barely survive
>fast forward 10 years
>even profitable businesses crash because of competition from abroad
>people aren't trained to work in profitable branches
>people abruptly lose their standard of living
>everybody loses

>>126174614
PUT a sock in it you lying cumhole
>>126174567
this man knows, thät why most common näme in Greece for boys is Gunther and. everyoñe frantically looking for cabbage to put in their salad. KEK

>>126174614
shut up you dumb mongrel, you dont have enough IQ pts left to speak you fucking cunt

>>126175010
go to krautchan you fucking malaka did you even read what your other kraut is trying to tell you, thick piece of wood, go to hell

>>126175363
i prefer the definition where a german is a evil and hypocrite jealous hun ultimarely without soul, with dreams of colonial conquest and the refinement of a outhouse made of logs

what you say

>>126165239
put a cock in that mouth so it gets obstructed from spewing error. after error

ffs

>>126175256
>I feel like this is some german plot to say "s-see? The EU wasn't the cause of the crisis".

Greece will take ages to recover, just because Germany, sorry I mean the ECB, kept the interest rates very low when Portugal, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Greece needed high interest rates because their economies were booming.

>>126165239
Yes, they are. Erdogan is so fond of making war threats, however the kemalists are worse.

Of course though! Let a german tell you that Turks aren't a threat.
You will be the first to backstab us when the Turks will attack!
I bet you're in cahoots with them already. You're crippling our economy so they can have an easier time fighting us.
Always knew Turks and Germans are the best of friends!

>>126165236
>Quantity vs Quality

Also we retire at 68.
You at what? 50?

PAY DEBNTS!

>>126175363
That's not socialism then, that's state capitalism. True socialism was originally defined by the left and is anti-property. The only reason the National Socialists were called that is because it was originally the Strassers running things and they actually were socialist but they were kicked out of the party and after that it just kept its name.

>>126176341
>Retire at 50
Another good myth from Greece is that there were some huge giants with only one eye on their foreheads. They were called cyclopes.
In reality though, we retire at 67.

This whole issue was originally the fault of Greece, but their GDP has been contracting for ten years now, thats the fault of the policies of the EU. Extreme austerity causes fiscal contraction and makes them less capable of paying debnbts.

>>126175845
>go to krautchan you fucking malaka did you even read what your other kraut is trying to tell you, thick piece of wood, go to hell
Thanks man. Maybe you now understand the mental pain I have to endure day by day in this country.

>>126176704
Our only fault was joining EU to begin with and allowing them to corrupt us.
Our ancestors were right: Never trust a german.

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>>126176132
>Germany, sorry I mean the ECB, kept the interest rates very low

>>126176825

you're both idiots

>>126176985
ade xesou re malaka kathusterimené, astadialo

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>>126177199
lel enlighten me faggot

>>126177324

Who do you think profited most from the bank bailouts?

>>126176825
How about you explain to me exactly your position without relying on WAKE UP SHEEPLE [insert link here].
I am under the impression the both of us share the same opinion that the elites are playing everyone against each other and that neither the German not the Greek people gain from this.
What exactly do you want me to agree with you on here other than what economic system we favor?

>>126177473
The...jews?

>>126177126

Pre-Crisis interest rates were too low for countries with booming economies like South Europe and while it was ideal for Germany. Basically it allowed to create a bubble. But hurr durr German were afraid of inflation.

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>>126177543
New thread guys

>>126177698

Nope. Is that your best?

>>126174570
I'm not in favour of the treatment that Greece gets. I'd kick them out of the EZ/leave the EZ. Then we could start to do some actual useful stuff. I'd be even ok transfering some more money down there to remedy the situation afterwards. But right now we're just wasting money and ruining that country. With the consequenze that tons of olive niggers wash up in Germany.

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>>126177718
>>126177126

>pic related
Germany had low growth, so it need low interest rates

>>126178004
I was more or less joking.
Also not the guy you were originally talking to.
No real idea beyond that.
Go ahead and tell us.

>>126177613
You favor the current system because you say it is working. Yet you admit that neither the Greek nor the German people profit from it. Also you say you aren't part of the elite. It just doesn't add up for me.

>>126136236
>>126136236
LMAO They started cooking the books again

>>126136236
Oh yes, like any bad whores, they got money (from you) to get fucked. But like any good whores, they gave their pimp (also you) the disease.

>>126176825
>>126177324
i will enlighten you a la Alois Irlmayer


in the great war there will be great care to not use nukes in europe to not have a global thermonuclear war

a russian submarine will break the curfew and with only its own weapons load which is considerable (15--200 warheads) will set france and germany alight

ENJOY MOTHERFUCKER< BE SURE TO WRITE KEK
I 'M NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU WILL ENDURE I|M MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU 'ON ALL FRONTS
I SUPPOSE I CAN JUST TELL YOU TO ..
>BURN WELL ?

>>126177613
I want you agree you are a degenerate race with a permanent jealousy complex to the total of Greek civilization. One you will never solve because deeds cannot be erased unless you shine yourself you fucking midgets.

I'm not going fraternize with a germcunt to have another one tommorow gang up with other braut kraut to mock me as a Greek . we no longer fraternize with foolish and socially innept backstabbers , end of story