What's the difference between a Libertarian and an

Libertarians get ass for free Anarcho-Capitalist name their price and pay for whatever ass is on the market.

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>>126011677
Ancap is the finally evolution of the libertarian ideology

>>126011677
BRAAAAPPPFFF!!

>>126012021
+1

about 4 years

>>126012021
Do you think her asshole smells good? Has anyone here ever smelled a woman's asshole? It's always been my fantasy.

>>126012763
If she's got good hygiene, it doesn't smell anything. Maybe a bit of sweat.

>>126012763
A clone hole's smell is intoxicating.
Almost as if it unlocks the most carnal areas of a male brain.

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>>126012763
Smells like shit. What do you expect?

>>126011677
autism vs aspergers

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>>126011677
A Libertarian (usually) is for a minimal state, where the state still has a function to maintaining courts, law, armed forces, borders and such. Usually things that they don't believe markets can do.

An An-Cap believes that the markets can do everything better and more efficiently than the state can, and/or the state doing things is immoral.

An An-Cap might call himself a libertarian since it's basically the libertarian position taken to the logical end (or extremes).

>>126011677
Only one of those has a chance of being enacted, while the other is a fantasy

>>126013140
I don't know what I expect. I guess a musky smell. But for some reason it just seems so hot if the girl is attractive.

>>126011677
The latter is a subset of the former.

>>126012763
If dirty smells like shit, really it will make you want to puke.

If clean (and bit of sweat), hard to describe but kinda musky smell, which is really arousing.

>>126012012
And like the extreme end of any ideology it doesn't work

>>126013305
Seek help you nigger, the butt hole is where poop comes out of, thats where the worst thing your body produces, purges from..and you think it would be like smelling a rose? If you want life to get better drop your sick fetishes

Degrees of sheltered sociopathy

>>126011677
ancaps are the delusional bunch who think we can do it without a government

>>126013347
>If dirty smells like shit, really it will make you want to puke.
Why have you smelled a female's DIRTY asshole? Wouldn't she want to be more or less fresh before letting you do that?

>>126013347
definitely an acquired smell, but boy, once you enjoy it, you can call it nature's viagra.

>>126013483
pee comes from dicks, so women who do bjs are into watersports.

>>126011677
Libertarians see government as a necessary evil thats contained to the very minimum for things like a police force, a military, courts and the like.

An-Caps see the ideal world as a post apocolyptic wasteland where the NAP is the only law of the land and breaking that law is almost certain death.

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>>126013375
REAL capitalism has never been tried before

>>126012763
Smells brappy

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>>126013614
>sex organ vs poop deposits

Really stimulating my receptors

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>>126011677
If you have no government, therefore no borders and no other rules, i don't know. Happy eating food out of plastic from some private company guy(multiple people, multiple different freedoms) who doesn't needs regulations.

>>126013305
It smells earthy I suppose. It's not really a bad smell, very unique.

Licking an asshole is a delectable experience. Girls LOVE it. They coo and moan and beg for more. They know they are doing something dirty and naughty and it drives them up the wall.

>>126013582
Tbh, I thought she was clean. In this case I didnt even went to sniff her asshole, just kissed her ass nearby, but the smell was so bad I could feel it from the distance.

Some girls are stupid and think doing a bit of wiping is enough to make their asshole completely clean.

>>126013645

Ok, this made me laugh. Capitalism doesn't mean no laws though, it just means no force. As in, a donation based system of government where people choose how much they want to pay for their government as they see fit.

Of course people with a lot to lose have good incentives to pay more to protect their property, but like with taxes, citizens ultimately pay more combined so it doesn't pay for cops to go around acting as private police who violate rights.

It's an interesting thought experiment to say the least. It would remove the whole "appeal to authority" fallacy from government. They wouldn't be able to do whatever they wanted just because they got elected like they can now.

>>126014025
Wouldn't a handful of super rich have total control?

>>126013778

That's a leftie fallacy, it would just mean no government extortion for money in the form of taxation on everything.

Imagine being able to ask someone to do something for you and pay them, end of transaction.

>>126013857
>They know they are doing something dirty
They know YOU are doing something dirty, same with cunnilingus
There's a reason only slaves in Rome licked cunt

>>126014163

That's the situation we have now. Super rich people control governments through force. In a donation based society, everyone would have to get your money by providing you with goods and services. People can just stop doing business with asshole owners. We see this with FaceBook and Minds.com now.

>>126013614
Couldnt agree more. Was dating 18yo cutie with big ass. While doing 69, I took the opportunity and boy I was rock hard.

>>126013876
Race of the girl?

>>126014190
How are you going to arrest people if they have no IDs? They can change names any day. Oh right, there is no police anyway.

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>>126014163
Super rich with a direct stake in the well being and prosperity of their local community and home.

I am now more interested in discussing female buttholes than Libertarians and AnCaps.

>>126014362

I don't know, how do we arrest illegals without papers today? You'd of course have to incentivize people to have some sort of registration for the use of services like the police. But, if you want to buy a piece of woodland and live off the land, that's fine too.

Do you not want police? I do want police, just not the kind we have today which goes around beating and arresting people for tweeting illegal opinions while letting off foreign child rapists. So as long as they do a good job, I donate. If they start violating people's rights, I don't.

>>126014025
pretty much this. i would unironically and gladly pay more in taxes if the actual services of my authorities weren't absolute dog shit.

>>126014625
We don't arrest illegals much, this is why they get away with rape, but there is still the core of system who follows laws so we can somehow extract those illegals since we eliminate legals from the guilt formula, but still have to find which illegal, then we start narrowing it down to city and look for illegals there. So there are still legal things around illegal things, which is why it works.
What is Sweden doing now? Lets see:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/samhalle/a/yAVxg/regeringen-avskaffar-id-kontroller
>02 maj 2017
>Regeringen avskaffar id-kontroller
>The government abolishes id checks

>Anledningen är att antalet asylsökande i dag inte är lika många och att kontrollerna då inte har någon funktion.
>The reason is that the number of asylum seekers today is not as many and that the controls have no function at all.

So you see, this is why Sweden has the biggest crime on planet, since they also have very little police, but who cares about that, right? If an illegal dies, nobody knows, only those who known the illegal know, so country can still pretend nothing happened.

>>126014362

Look at America's spending in 2015 for example. Over 99% wasteful spending on bureaucracy and Communist programs. Imagine paying 99% less taxes than you do now and how much decision making power that gives you. Not only that, but money is a claim on value. By giving money to people who don't produce value in return, you just make the money worth less.

nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

>>126015020

That's exactly right, if these people want to keep their jobs by securing donations they have to show that they add value. Right now police officers think they are God and that everyone who doesn't work for the government is property.

>>126013645
This is basically what countries do.

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>>126015080
Communists had the lowest tax, monarchies the highest. What is feudalism? Farmer had barely anything to eat, everything else it was given to king. Even today monarchies have the biggest tax, picture related.
Why would Socialism have big tax? You want big GDP, Socialism wants small prices, doesn't needs to inflate prices to pretend to be millionaire. If you can buy a house for 1000 euro, then house obviously ain't worth 1 million. Socialism had one type of simple credit at end of Socialism with static ratings. When people own industry they want predictability and no competition, since everybody personally wants to predict his life. Only capitalism wants everything dynamic and unpredictable, so they can speculate and steal, to trick you. What do they do with stocks? Speculate and predict and compete, they gamble.

>>126015023

The idea behind such a donation based society would be to secure property, so identifying yourself and the property tied to that identity is a huge incentive to register in itself.

People don't need IDs to get arrested, just evidence of their crimes. Burning your papers does not make you immune from prosecution of any kind.

In such a donation based society there would also be no social programs other than the ones people actually want, as they can choose to participate or not. So there's no incentive for low IQ unskilled people to come over for free shit. Of course, everyone would also be armed so petty crime would inherently become so risky that it's not worth the risk.

America was very close to being a society like this between 1700 and 1900, until the federal reserve took over the government in 1913.

>>126015651

Under Communism there is no tax because there is no personal property. Everything belongs to the government, which supposedly represents the people. The most important personal property you have is your body and your thoughts. Under Communism, torture is okay, taking your kidneys to give to someone with more value to the nation is okay, killing you for wrong opinions is okay.

People who actually lived under Communism wrote about their experience:
https://archive.org/details/TheGulagArchipelago-Threevolumes

>>126014495

>Super rich with a direct stake in the well being and prosperity of their local community and home.

Lol, yeah.

>>126015668
>people don't need IDs
Then you are an illegal
>people will jail people
Jails are build by government or at least regulated by them, else they can torture people and nobody will know.
>people will play police
Like in Ukraine when they started civil war by pulling down Russian speakers and annoyed them? Sounds like Africa to me, where every border got corruption and you pay more than you should. Some guys sitting in tent and pretending to be police isn't justice.

>People don't need IDs to get arrested, just evidence of their crimes.
What is evidence if not ID check and witness check for which you first have to have a witness that is truthful, one with ID.
You complain that media is fucking with you, but they are because they don't go though any evidence check, they invent evidence, there's no 3rd party to check them, they are free to write any garbage they want and coin it as evidence. Who's going to be the truth speaker in anarcho-capitalism where everybody wants to be the one to be on top, you will have as many versions of truth as people, nobody needs to check anything, since there are no IDs. You get a witchhunt.

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>>126013483
you kiss a woman on her lips and plenty of shit comes out of her mouth

>>126016332

I didn't even say half of those points you are "debunking". I've made my case, you are the one claiming a donation based society can't have police.

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>>126016078
>implying that wouldn't be the case
It would be a hell of a lot better than what we have now. Where the super rich live in mansions in Switzerland isolated from the problems they cause all the while using us all as cattle.

>>126015861
Communism didn't rent, which means they had way more personal property than capitalism. When workers own means of production then that implies industry, not your own house. Your own house is your personal property, but capitalism doesn't even wants to give you this, since they create high prices and renting. You promote a system with no government control and yet you want international government control of elites who create money. Would be wiser to create money yourself in the country you live in? Why have dollar all around planet? Isn't that government controlling you? That's international government and you don't influence that at all. They tell you how much your money is worth and what money to use.

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>>126014557
>>>/b/

>>126015651
>Why would Socialism have big tax?
Venezuelans can't afford bread while sitting on the biggest oil reserves on the planet. Complete retardation.

>they want predictability and no competition
Leading to stagnation and high prices.

>so they can speculate and steal
Ironic coming from a lefty.

>What do they do with stocks?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_mechanism
Politicians tried taxing high frequency trading before. It resulted in destabilization of markets and lower liquidity.

>>126016643
>capitalism doesn't even wants to give you this
>PAAAYY
How about you work for it?

>you want international government control of elites who create money
Most libertarians are against central banking in the current form.

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>>126016703
>Venezuela is Socialism
Only complete retards think that. First of all the official name of Sweden is Kingdom of Sweden, secondly Venezuela has constitution, same as in USA, they have identical system as in USA. Venezuela and whole of Latin America was fucked by USA, not Communists. There is no Communism in Latin America, it's all congress and their democratic ways, they even have same delegate system in some countries. But you wouldn't know that, since your pedo priests constantly shit in your brains in church.

Ancaps are retarded. Libertarians are retarded and smoke weed.

>>126017009
>How about you work for it?
How about i kill you and take my money back you price increasing leech from USA?
I don't need to work, you need to work and stop pushing dollars around and selling companies to USA, start doing production you useless Microsoft faggot.

>>126016552
its called feudalism, because the only reason the super rich would care, is if they owned it.
The super rich would care about you (in a way) if they owned you yes thats true

>>126011677
nothing. anarcho capitalism is an internet meme. it's literally the same thing as libertarianism with a meme title.

>>126011857
underrated

>>126016552
lel, automation is coming and it is going to turn the idea of benevolent elites on its head.

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>>126017068
>they have identical system as in USA
Funny I didn't know the US is a centrally planned hellhole where you starve after getting robbed by the army.

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>>126011677
End result sage

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>>126011677
I use to think I was both... but they both pretty much have their heads up there asses and live in a fantasy land just like communists. libertarian is a bit more realistic but both overlook the fact there are people will so much resources in the world if you removed government power they would probably cull the population of the world to a billion or less and force them into slave factories to build the shit they want.

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>>126017189
>How about i kill you and take my money
Go suck Tito's dick.

>>126017498
Yes, funny that everybody can't be rich in a system run by morons like you who want to exploit other people, funny how selling everything to rich people will not force rich people to give you more money. Yes, those Christian sheep literally have no brains, they think selling equally elites giving them more money, because obviously in their stupid brains they think church elites buy shit so they can waste more of their money to increase salaries.

>>126011677
AnCap is just anarchism. If you get rid of the government, regulations, taxes etc, you end up with capitalism. It's redundant to call it anarcho capitalism, anarchism is capitalistic by definition.

Libertarianism is for reduction of the state power. It's for smaller government. It acknowledges that the Anarchists are right about most things, but Libertarians aren't against the state entirely. You can convince a Libertarian that some regulations, laws and taxes can be in place as long as you can justify their existence. An Anarchist is not going to accept any of it, because they base their values on universal principles.

There are some pretty huge fucking differences. A Libertarian can even support more government, if they believe it will lead to less government in the future. A lot of Libertarians are white nationalists who believe that you need more deportation and a stronger fascist government to create a white society, because without white people you are never going to have a Libertarian society. As long as shitskins exist, the government is just going to continue to grow until it takes over every part of your life.
AnCaps are purists. Libertarians are more pragmatic.

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>>126017515
kek

>>126017585
I don't suck Tito's cock, but you surely suck a lot of dollar penis and haven't worked a day in your life producing anything at all besides waste paper from hamburger.

ancap is someone who - when faced with knowing libertarianism is globalist and cuck as fuck and unable to actually remove anyone - comes to another level of delusion and attempts to double down on this type of thinking and becomes " ancap " and believes that even less government will mean they can achieve ethnic nationalist or culturally conservative goals.

>>126017905
shut up leaf... stop making sense... your giving your fellow leafs a bad rap.

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>>126017733
kekeke

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>>126017684
>selling everything to rich people
If you sold them something then you got their money, no?

>force rich people to give you more money
More commie talk. The biggest living standards increase happens in the freest economies like Hong Kong and the US back when they had a free market. Anyway I'm gonna assume I'm getting trolled. Lurk more if you're an actual unironic lefty.

>>126013614
>>126014300
>>126013347
wtf, why is everyone in your country weird

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>>126017716
>AnCaps are purists. Libertarians are more pragmatic.
How are minarchists going to achieve their society in a democracy? More autistic screeching?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_ybi1MeC3c

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>>126018468
you can do your degenerate consensual sex in the missionary position with the lights out for the sole purpose of procreation, but some people enjoy other forms of sex.

>>126018581
that's why the USA is a republic. duh...

>>126018304
>If you sold them something then you got their money, no?
No, you didn't get money, you got bribe and people will have less money as result, maybe you got money in that moment. Are you economic illiterate? Somebody has to build/produce what you sell. If the country doesn't builds own things any longer it's poor and the country who you sold it to is rich. Everybody that deals with selling and money should be lined up and tortured to death, none of those turds has ever produced anything at all and only lowers the richness of any country. Commies created 100% of everything you morons are selling, now you blame Commies because you sold it all. You are too dumb and to lazy to create anything new, now you import illegals to lower the salaries. You are anyway complete illiterate retard, everybody from those American-German economic schools is, no wonder we killed such high-educated low IQ morons in Socialism, you literally know nothing at all. People who deal with money aka with dollar are retards, complete retards, sell-outs who can't create anything, a flabby shits, worthless human life, waste of air. Planet doesn't needs dynamic money, it needs to kill those money trades, money exists, can be used, that's as simple concept as water flowing, there is no need for money manipulation.

>>126017515
I never understood why ancaps would have copyright law

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>>126017905
>achieve ethnic nationalist
You are aware that most of your countrymen despise your views? It's when these people vote to increase immigration and fund it with taxes that the problems with immigration begin.

>>126018899
Made up of democratic states where universal suffrage is mandatory. I always cringe at this "argument".

>>126017068
>they have identical system as in USA. Venezuela and whole of Latin America was fucked by USA, not Communists. There is no Communism in Latin America, it's all congress and their democratic ways,

You should read our constituition before saying anything you know nothing about. You are very misled if you think our system has anything in common with that used by the US.

>>126019359
Most ancaps reject IP. These jokes have no base.

>>126019386
oh the founding principles are so long gone that it is not even a democracy anymore it is some combination of a corporatocracy and technocracy.

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>>126018907
>Are you economic illiterate?
>coming from a socialist
DOHOHO

>If the country doesn't builds own things any longer it's poor and the country who you sold it to is rich.
Yea you SOLD it to someone. So invest the money, retard.

>Commies created 100% of everything you morons are selling
(you)

>>126012763
Depends on the chick, how recent she's showered, how well she cleans up, how recent she's shit.
>t. ashamed reformed degenerate

>>126011677
Roads

>>126019359
Personally if they did not abuse the fuck out of the copyright laws (thank mickey mouse for this bullshit) they could be fine. IP should be limited to 1 year from release date. and maybe 2 years on mechanical/electrical devices. but 100 year bullshit is insane

>>126019454
Brazil had extract elector college as USA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_college
>During Brazil's military rule period, the president was elected by an electoral college comprising senators, deputies, state deputies, and lawmakers in the cities. The electoral college was replaced with a Two-round system direct election in 1989, after the restoration of democracy.

Brazil's major bank is owned by British:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ita%C3%BA_Unibanco
Ownership:
http://sleekmoney.com/itau-unibanco-holding-s-a-itub-stake-held-by-sumitomo-mitsui-asset-management-company-ltd/1620552.html
>Schroder Investment Management Group increased its position in shares of Itau Unibanco Holding by 39.9%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schroders
>Schroders plc is a British multinational asset management company

You have stock exchange:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM%26F_Bovespa

So don't meme me about how you are Socialism. There's a big difference between political party and system of laws. Just because you elect a political party with name "Social" doesn't implies Socialism. Goddman retard. It's just a fucking name.

>>126017226
This
>yes goy, make the world completely run on money
Ancapism is just one step away from communism, all it takes is a private army and some ((friends)) to turn the ideology on its head

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>>126019756
You sold Steklarno Rogaška, a europe's best glass company to Zvon, a religious company, who ruined it. Now you Americanized morons show me glass from Germany or USA which is much lower quality and teach me about how those are geniuses.
You church morons also own island Bled now. You church morons fucked up the bank by increasing stocks to lure people in, the lowered it to fuck our own bank to sell it to foreigners. You have no clue how to do business, you Christian privatizing shitlords should be all shot. You sold our Rogaška Slatina, because natural spring water, that's not what GMO faggots want, you want chloride water? Yes, so the dollar says. Lets kill all our native competition and producing and pretend those money traders are competition, lets pretend they know what the fuck they doing just because they have money. There's not one smart billionaire, all of them are complete retards that play their illuminati baphomet games and fuck themselves in the ass, since you Christian cancer keep giving them money in funeral/wedding and beyond to Israel, then they use that money and fuck you hard. Then you blame Communism, you little shit.
>btw the picture is from when Trump visited, so take it from Trump that you are a moron

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>>126020488
>make the world completely run on money
It's more about freedom. As in the government shouldn't enslave you with massive debt.

>a private army
If the elites wanted to install a commie dictatorship it'd be easier to just co-opt the existing government.

>>126020104
Our country has little in common with US. Your idea is baseless.
First, the power is centralized. This is a huge diffrence, because each US state has its own criminal law, while we have one that "works" for the entire country (there are regions where you will get killed for killing or raping someone, so, it is not universal in practice, but "legally" speaking, it is).

Second, our constituition grants a lot of rights without too many duties. This results in a situation where the law says something, and the practice is another. Not all laws that are imposed are in action, because some laws don't "pega".

Third, we are obliged to vote. If you don't, you may pay a small fee, but without voting, you can't work formally or frequent university.

Forth, our worker law is CLT(Consolidação da Lei Trabalhista), a relic of fascism Getúlio Vargas left and this stubbornly prevent our economic growth. The minimum wage is adjusted every year due to inflaion(of course people lose buying power until the adjustment). In the US, the worker laws are very different. The inflation is lower, the taxes are lower, the law is more decentralized.

The caracteristics you took are not arguments. US and Brazil(Latin America in general) have very different systems.

>>126021379
>Our country has little in common with US. Your idea is baseless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Brazil
You have 50 political parties, Socialism has 1.

>>126011677

there is none

>>126016703

The venezuelan issue is the end result of hyperoil production methods employed by the US and its allies, petroleum cracking (really bad for the environment by the way).

When the US cranked oil production, they were capable of fucking over most of their enemies economies, because they depended majorly on oil sales (iran, venezuela etc etc..)

Many economic woes in venezuela today are a direct result of the fall of oil prices, since their economy was not very diverse.

This is why just a few years back, Chavez had money extra enough to send all over the place, but now the economy in venezuela is fucked.

Also, the venezuelan gov is literally less communistic than the american gov, they dont have tons of gov money being thrown around in welfare, medicare, medicaid, tricare, ebt cards and all that other wealth distribution shit that americommies love so much

>>126021268
I know, but I mean in case of ancapism ever happening
>it's more about freedom and less government enslavement
Give the government too much power and it enslaves you, give the rich too much power and they will enslave you too, man will always be opportunistic and ambitious for power, it's just better to keep these two in a balance

>>126021476
I never said it is socialism, socialism is impossible, retard. I just don't know where you came from stating that Brazil and US have much in common.
Technically, it is a "social democracy".

>>126011677
libertarians still have a government to take care of things like roads and other public problems

>>126020864
I didn't sell shit. The government owning things will lead to inefficiency. Like with your bank example. We pump it full of money during the crisis only for them to start with risky investments again. Just like the corrupt American banks.

And about the government selling things. There's bound to be collusion with financial interests. Because the politicians don't actually own the companies. So of course they're just gonna use the opportunity to line their pockets. Also I'm not Christian lol. But I like how you just compartmentalize people like it's just left and right and nothing else exists.

>>126021925
Social democracy existed in 1985, 5 years before end of Socialism. You don't have Social Democracy, since Social Democracy can't be created by Social Democrats, it's a transit system between Socialism and capitalism, which is EU. Social Democrats will never create Socialism, neither they wish so, since they were main political opponents of Communistic party in Germany and in Yugoslavia.

>>126022478
Man, you got reading problems.

Have a nice day

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>>126021912
>give the rich too much power
And how do they have power? They're somehow gonna gather enough mercenaries to BTFO millions of well armed people? It's gonna happen unless they have massive support from the people.

>>126022425
No, they sold it to Zvon and they didn't pay them salaries, so they were forced to end it. Always the same story. You(they) sold Mercator and now we see high prices compare to German Lidl, that's their plan, to ruin us so we use only foreigner products. Now you have a choice to buy foreigner products in native supermarket or buy in foreigner supermarket which has lower prices.

>>126011677
WE the ancaps fuck 9-10/10 white girls. Libertarians are gays, virgins or fuck second tier bitches.

>>126022320
>Wanting shitty state-run roads
>Being libertarian

Government funded things are always less efficent than private ones

>>126022622
It's not technically "Social Democracy", there's nothing social about it, you got favelas which would be bulldozed by Socialists. Social anything is about having social control that reaches down to workers, they don't even registered your monkeys there in slum.

>>126015020
>>126015215
never thought of it like that. .. but it would basically be paying a subscription for government service

>>126022681
So buy Slovenian if you care that much. Or start a company. Most people will take the lower prices apparently.

>>126022830
>getting memed by the "muh roads" argument
the sec you bring up private roads some fag is gonna start that

and I'm already used to shitty state-run roads from living in montana

>>126022667
In a world where money rules everything, the people with the most money will always dominate, sounds reasonable doesn't it?

>>126022870
>be paying a subscription for government service
like bribes?

>>126018581
>what must be done
>describes european feudalism

>>126011677
Small state vs no state.

>>126012763
I once got banned for two days for posting a comment like this on /pol/.

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>>126023081
It doesn't. When people start relying on the state for everything the influence of family and community is strengthened. Don't you find it weird that it's leftists who are the greediest people? I wonder why it's them who want to expand state power.

>>126023150
no
taxes
read the other posts you fucking leaf

>>126016643

>gommunism
>workers own the memes of production

Really Andreiy?

>>126023058
Yes goy, lets buy Slovenian, we did, then they figured we bought too much Slovenian so foreign CEOs decided to steal money and ruin the bank/supermarket so it can be ready to be purchased by foreigner elite and after purchase they raised the prices in case goyim doesn't understands that everything native truly has to die. Same with Mura, in Yugoslavia it was working, even had more contracts with foreigners in Germany than now in open free trade and when Socialism ended they hired some extra high educated bosses in American/German economy. Now they haver new boss every half year and many bosses, they all take a chunk and the company was getting smaller, now it's a walking zombie, but hey goy there are those products at 20 times the prices, please goyim support native products.

>>126011677
one is JUST slightly more autistic than the other

>>126023324
*stop relying
obviously

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>>126018468
Have you ever seen German porn?
It is pretty hardcore shit dude, they do tons of piss fetish porn, or hardcore rape type stuff.

It really gives you an idea on the Germanic mindset.
Hence the cuck-ness.

>>126018737
Suddenly the question why Islam, religion targeting goatfuckers and pedos is also second most common religion in your country (even if only at 7%) answers itself. Degenerates sticks together.

More seriously, I don't mind it that you're into freaky shit but go to /d/ or /trash/ with it.

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>>126023375
Stop increasing state power then. There'd be much more competition in a free market. The current system in Slovenia is so far gone you could just call it corporatocracy and be done with it. And you get taxed to oblivion on top of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3N2sNnGwa4

It's either an umbrella term for small government and pro-capitalist ideologies (minarchy and ancap); or someone who believes in having a bigger government than minarchy yet smaller than classical liberalism.

>>126017716
>anarchism is capitalistic by definition
toplel

>>126011677
Libertarians want a government consisting mostly of a military, a police and a judicial system

>>126023324
They indeed are, the problem is that some of the ((rich)) want to cooperate instead of compete, and create a state of their own. People like soros don't want freedom, they want enslavement of the masses, and they prefer using their money to accomplish these things than arms. If money rules in a society, people like him absolutely dominate, and they could turn the tables really fast

>>126024193
I guess it would be anarchy without the police.

>>126024029
State power didn't ruin anything, it was foreign bosses, those puny little brain Christians of PHD moronic economy of America. Lets say we would now buy clothes at 20 times the price and pet the Mura company back to glory, what would happen then? They would be getting another PHD moron jackass educated in American/German shitcapitalism and he would again steal money and then you would have 30 times the price to pay for those products, since it's either you sell the company or bail out the stupid capitalistic boss's mistakes. Then there is 3rd option, the country bails it out. I got a 4th option, lets kill all foreigners and everybody that has a PHD in economy in this country.

>>126022683

> hurr we fuck mo bitches hurrr

I have never seen a capitalist that wasn't a sexual degenerate, not once

>>126011677
6 months.
>t. former minarchist turned AnCap

>>126013483
Pretty sure remains of food are not that horrible. Piss, though... that's another story. Oh, and menstrual blood.

>>126013778
Enjoy government lobbyists poisoning your alcohol to push prohibition.

>>126011677
A nation.

>>126012763

smells like a tinge of sweat

>>126011677
the former is super autism while the latter is hyper autism

>>126011677
Libertarians love to preach, but don't have the balls to stand for any of it.

>>126011677
What's the difference between a set and one of its elements?

>>126011677
one is in 8th grade, the other isn't

>>126024921
What's the use when people were too dumb to understand it well enough over Ron Paul's entire Campaign Trail?

>>126015404
Yeah and look where that has gotten us

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>>126024270
They have more influence when they can buy politicians. If in a nation you have a liberty minded majority with tons of weapons (and people do seem to like guns) how are you going to take over with your shitty private army? A billion doesn't buy you much. Not when you have to go against millions of local militias and insurers/rights enforcement agencies or whatever you wanna call them. And again I don't see why you think money rules everything under ancap. It's sort of like me saying that the strongest rule under a state. It's not true.

>>126011677
Libertarian = small government
Ancap = no government

>>126024717
Word lobbying implies privatization of government you moron.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee
>One of several pro-Israel lobbying organizations in the United States,[4] AIPAC states that it has more than 100,000 members
>private donations

My alcohol is poisoned by illegal privatized wine makers who use too much sulfur or don't use grapes at all, then sell it to private supermarket where inspectors are best buddies of boss and i be drinking wine out of chemicals like they do in USA. You government is already privatized, unless they send you papers to home where you decide the laws. I don't know what you understand under public ownership or ownership in general, but if you are the owner you decide. You decide shit in capitalism concerning what your government does, all you do is vote.

>>126011677
The amount of chromosomes, usually

>>126024368
>State power didn't ruin anything
>bail out the stupid capitalistic boss's mistakes
...

>>126025318
>State power didn't ruin anything
>where inspectors are best buddies of boss
>You decide shit in capitalism concerning what your government does
.....

>>126025469
We are in EU buddy, every Christian voted to enter into EU, they mobilized them in church. In EU central bank of EU puts your bosses inside banks and even if we weren't in EU, when you allow dollar and foreign companies on your land then you aren't independent any longer and all you can do is kill them in next war and then kill you for even allowing this.

>>126025665
We have EU parliament, that's where EU laws are made, your Mickey Mouse political parties with different names mean very little. Check out defense ministers, bunch of women, since you wanted NATO, now you have both economy and protection petted by your beloved Americans. Why are you still blaming the state? Blame those who tell the state what to do, your free market billionaires.

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>>126025790
>EU
>free market
REEEE

>when you allow dollar and foreign companies on your land then you aren't independent any longer
That's because the state gets lobbied. It's a result of democracy. You think if it weren't Americans but Slovenians lobbying it'd be any different?

>>126025224
A billion could buy a lot, by recruiting all the private armies, mercs, private police and hitmen for your cause ancap land would be no more, remember that not everyone can afford a gun, and many people would be attracted to the prospect of power and money anyway, and most of all, just imagine a militia fighting against a proper army, who would win?
>but Vietnam
Vietnam was an ocean away, domestic combat would be easy to win with a properly equipped army
And isn't ancap supposed to be a society where everything is privatized? Correct me if I am wrong

>>126026444
What did you think free market is? Those fairy tales? I told you already we outcompeted every glass maker and they ruined the best. We were the best, you just a worm who thinks some fatasses in foreign lands are the ones who can only make everything, they convinced you that least fittest are the best, that's your Christianity, you worship the weak cross kike. Free trade is such a dumb concept, as well as competition, considering they inherited trillions of dollars from monarchy and beyond. Are you going to compete with your 1000 SIT?

>>126026079
EU laws are not made in eur parliament, laws are made in European Commision. The commision which needs to be taken down.

>>126026740
>remember that not everyone can afford a gun
I don't live in Greece where the state already robbed everything you had. If a private army of Soros went against the population of the US they'd get slaughtered.

>just imagine a militia fighting against a proper army, who would win?
The original concept of America didn't even include a standing army. There's a simple reason for this. The sheer numbers of armed citizens dwarf any professional army. Add military equipment and PMCs hired by insurance agencies and you shouldn't get invaded by an equal sized nation unless they have a death wish.

>Vietnam was an ocean away
That's not why they "lost".

>domestic combat would be easy to win with a properly equipped army
So Soros is gonna BTFO the entirety of the US?

>>126026079
>We have EU parliament, that's where EU laws are made
as >>126027623 said, unlike every other parliament on this planet, the EU-parliament CAN NOT introduce new law-proprosals.
Only the undemocratically assigned Commission can introduce laws for the Parliament to vote on.

>>126027623
Parliament has to agree. Laws are actually made by USA and corporate lawyers.

>>126011677
Libertarians aren't retarded.

>>126027914
EU stated in 50ies, pretty much everybody knew what they joined into by the time we joined after 2004. Laws were made in 50ies, already migration.

>>126015020

Good call. Capitalism requires laws and an active court system to enforce contractual relations.

>>126026873
Hong Kong and early US isn't a fairy tale. On the other hand Venezuela definitely isn't either. You can keep babbling how the state is gonna fix everything but history shows otherwise.

>>126027888
I really doubt that, but anyway let's move on
it doesn't even have to be America, any country could become ancap utopia, the problem is not everyone can afford a gun, so only a minority would be the militia, and people tend to change sides when lots of money is on the menu
It surely would be easier if it was directly bordering it though wouldn't it?
Soros isn't the only guy out there with such ambitions, most Jewish families in the US seem to have common interests, and some of the richest people in America tend to be related to Jews or be Jews themselves

>>126028557
>Hong Kong and early US isn't a fairy tale.
That's like saying old /b/ was good.
USA had niggers from start, when they claimed they had under 10 million people, but actually had many more illegals. It took some time to legalize it. So you are saying then that you support Socialistic USA? Since they had segregation of black and white children, which was kind of like minime of multiculturalism. We segregation in Socialism, but we didn't fuck around with our minorities.

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>>126028611
So we're back to trillionares taking over shitholes where people can't even get a gun.
>Moving the goalposts (or shifting the goalposts) is a metaphor, derived from association football or other games, that means to change the criterion (goal) of a process or competition while still in progress, in such a way that the new goal offers one side an intentional advantage or disadvantage.[1]
Going for a run. Can't be bothered with autistic garbage.

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>>126012012
Wrong, Anarcho Trans-Humanism is the final evolution.

>>126013280
That makes sense. Guess I lean more towards libertarianism. Thanks.

>>126011677
Libertarian: work within the framework of democracy to bring about capitalist reforms
Anarcho-capitalism: revolutionary anarchist capitalist ideology

>>126012763
It literally smells like ass. Like shit. How did you think it would smell?

Trust me, a lot of your fetishes go away once you start having sex with girls, including ass sniffing.

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>>126029944

>>126011677
libertarian = small government
anarcho-capitalist = no government

>>126030280
It would be nice if this illogical ideologies had any laws, so we could look like how it works in practice, but too bad it contradicts explanation, since it rejects government and therefore can't have any laws, it can't even exist.

>>126017189
>How about i kill you and take my money back
And the subhuman communist reverts to its natural demeanour. This is why you and people like you will never be successful. You think you're victims and you live like it.

>>126030641
>small government
It's not about how small or big it is, it's about who controls it. If you control everything, including your government, then you probably want it to be as big as possible, considering your capitalistic logic where more is better and here you are: USA has very small government, but a lot of baggage of military, since more deals equals more money. Your government is small because 1 guy write executive orders and decides which country to attack, that's very small government.

>Libertarian
Fuck you starve on the streets
>ancap
Fuck you starve in the community pooping hole

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>>126029093
>let me project and use a strawman
>every country except the US is a shit hole
Slovenia confirmed for most Jewish poster

>>126030921
What's British Empire? You killed innocent people, i kill guilty ones. Guilty: foreigner. To be judged: native criminal. Good: native non-criminal. Do you want foreigners in your house you capitalist? I sure don't, so... don't privatize-invite them.

>>126031055
i'll spare everybody a few seconds of their time by telling you that this moron is COMPLETELY clueless with regards to what "big government" and "small government" mean.

Libertarianism is the advocacy for extreme private tyranny.

Anarcho-capitalism is extreme private tyranny.

>>126013140
Flowers, butterflies, perfume
The usual thing adolescent virgins expect.
Just like fanny, they get their first opportunity to go down on a girl expecting it will be like making love to roses, and when they go down all they can smell is cod.

>>126031527
The size of government isn't how much money government has, since little amount of products can produce little or lots of money. The size of government is determined by how many people it needs to make a decision and how quick that decision is made. If you had a small government of worthless army equipment you wouldn't be worth as much, then you might think the government got smaller or what?
Governing = decision making = smaller amount of people make decisions = smaller the government.

>>126031711

>this

>>126031711
Of course, the smallest government is king, since king literally controlled every company, all the nature and all the people he could fuck without being prosecuted for rape.

>>126032001
It's about how many functions of life the state controls, not the literal number of people in the government, you uttah fookin moron

All americans should be libertarian or they are traitors, don't believe me go read up on your founding fathers.

Ancaps take shit too far and will destroy society.

>>126032001
>smaller amount of people make decisions = smaller the government.

just stop. you're out of your league and completely clueless. cut your losses and bail.

>>126019386
Whether its taxes or the corps paying for immigrant cheap labor in your soil, you're still stuck with shitskins. Cause nothing will stop corps from bringing cheap labor, otherwise you're enforcing.

>>126030669
But it can have laws.

>>126011677
Same as with naïve and insane.

>>126035462
Wouldn't happen in an AnCap society.

>keeping the fruits of your labor is tyranny

wew lad, when did westerners become so cucked

>m-muh super rich

In any welfare state the middle class gets cut in half only to get a bag of dogshit in return.

>>126035827
fuck off anon allow a small group of jewish people to take whatever they want from you and your family or you're a fucking evil jew

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>>126012615
underrated comment

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I like how every loser on this site not only is an expert on economics, but also thinks he knows how to fix the world economy.

Anarcho-capitalism does not exist, as it is a contradiction in terms.

>>126036194
what the fuck you just btfo my entire ideology

>>126036144
Yeah 'cause let's not hear peoples' ideas but believe (and swallow) what the klepocracy gives us.

You cuck.

>>126036144
yeah, those extremely arrogant people thinking that it's better to leave decision making to the accumulation of the knowledge pooled in the market rather than by a small group of hyper-intelligent planners who know more and better than the rest of the entire planet

>>126013375
How do you know that?

>>126036446
>>126036446
hyper-intelligent maxist planners.

There fixed it for ya.

>>126034294
How about no federal government

>>126035827
>>>keeping the fruits of your labor is tyranny
It's not, but if everyone always kept the fruits of their labor, the thing called "civilization" wouldn't exist.
The tyranny part is when other people own your labor, I guess.

>In any welfare state the middle class gets cut in half only to get a bag of dogshit in return.
by "any" welfare state you mean cucked democratic-socialist welfare states.

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>>126011677
In a nutshell

>>126035755
Yes it would. Who's gonna stop them, a private army of ethnic enforcers? What happens when the corps start bribing them to give the ok? Literally shitskins villages would form around mega industrial zones and nobody could raise enough $ to pay the enforcers to give war, or give a fuck to prevent it.

>>126012021
Beat me to it hahahaha! that's such a hilarious comment.

>>126036243
Does it upset you that your ideology is even less real than communism?

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>>126011677
an ancap believes there should be no goverment but there should be capitalism(free market) but no gov means no regulations on what your allowed to sell so you can start a slave trade corparation and as long as you dont violate the nap you should be fine.

and a libretarian believes in a limited goverment and the free market.

>>126037454
Apart from the self-segretatory nature of ethnicities and the fact that discrimination of housing would be legal (obviously) in AnCapland, and the fact that the most segregated / discriminatory areas were in and around Victorian Britain ("no German" signs, no Jews, no Irish, etc.).
Apart from these, there would be the extra fact that the increased costs brought by foreigners would have to be borne by either the foreigners themselves or the companies that bring them over. These costs exist - the costs are why you dislike the foreigners, the costs are a signal of these defects. You currently pay taxes for a police force that is barely used by you and is mostly used by those who actually commit crime and get into criminal circumstances - those who you dislike, that is. People would pay more to not live next to people who increase their security insurance payments, and would have far more incentive to be good at self-defence and to live in a low-crime neighbourhood. Guess what low-crime neighbourhoods are full of.

>>126038308
>you can start a slave trade corparation and as long as you dont violate the nap you should be fine
>don't violate property rights
>work in the slave trade
>buy and sell the rights to another person's body

What did he mean by this?

>>126012763
Tastes like roasted garlic sometimes.

>>126038500
Sounds like the free market in action

>>126033918
Laws control your functions in life, privatized or not. Public or private school, still follows the laws. USA has no real public schools, since that would imply the public wrote the laws for school system and parents visit schools to check if everything works according to those laws.

>>126038362
But you'd still have shitskins in your country. Yes the companies would pay for their related cost, having taken this into account when choosing to hire them instead of a native.
That is, if you'd still have a country or any meaningful borders by them. I simply cannot see how nationalism and capitalism can work together. Capitalism has a tendency to globalism by the very nature of the free (today international) market.

>>126038818
By then*

>>126038500
>implying slaves have to be enslaved through aggression
>implying the rights to your body can't be bought/sold like any other property

Wow the ancap doesn't even understand his own ideology, shocker.

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>>126038308

slavery violates the nap retard

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>>126038500
you dont understand unless you have law witch you need a goverment for to dictate you have no rights understand?
no goverment no laws.

the nap is an agreement that if you dont fuck with me i dont with you kindof thing.

>>126038818
Capitalism with nationalism is mercantilism

>>126039044
see
>>126039023
Let the ancap meme die, anon.

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>>126031299
>accuse me of using a strawman
>every country except the US is a shit hole
The irony. Like nobody outside the US can get a gun. Come up with a decent example and don't change the criteria every time you get btfo. Then we can have a discussion.

>>126038818
The free market in goods is not equal to the free movement of people. The absolute free movement of people requires there to be no such thing as property rights.

>>126039023
It is a priori impossible to sell your body, you can only rent it. I understand my ideology. In selling something you are engaging in a contract that you claim ownership over. In renting your body (in a non-absolute way) you claim ownership over the contract that you will receive payment for your labours. If you claim that you've sold your entire control over yourself, you've not claimed so.

>>126039153
and what's to prevent ethno-mercantilism from going civic?

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>>126039044
>no goverment no laws to dictate and force.


that means everybody is armed to the teeth to defend their nap.

thats the basics im giong to explian in more detail in my next post.

Anarchocapitalism is a subset of Libertarianism.

All ancaps are libertarian. Not all libertarians are ancaps.

The other libertarians are pretty much all minarchists, who believe that a small govt, rather than none at all, is desirable.

As an ancap, I personally find the minarchist position to be fucking retarded. It is impossible to keep a govt small.

When you give someone the legal authority to kill and initiate force, it will always be used to expand the user's power and enrich his cronies.

The USA was founded on minarchism. Less than 200 years later it was the largest state in human history.

Libertarians are roadcucks.

>>126039451
No they're not, they hire people to protect them.

>>126039319
fine then, the companies don't bring shitskins but move their factories overseas where there's almost free labor. How do you prevent that?

>>126012763
Full-bodied aromatic musk... Really nice stuff, similar to other bodily aromas, butt not as tangy, more warm.

>>126039599

you don't.

what you do is raise awareness about the bad business practices so that competitors can act accordingly.

>>126037514

>comment

did you upvote it?

>>126039319
>people dont own their own bodies in a way that they could possibly and freely sell it
Well you could make that argument for just about any object because people die eventually. But i suppose selling your body would be the differnce between freehold and leasehold.
You rent your body leasehold until you die

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>>126037454
They can bribe politicians more easily. You know, like they do now.
>government imports trash and transfers costs onto taxpayers
>hurr the government will fix it
I really don't get how people think that a free decentralized system will be easily taken over but a centralized system where you only need to bribe a couple politicians with massive amounts of power is somehow impervious to corruption.

>>126039542
and the also defend themselfes.

but can also hire protection from a company
thats why its called an capitalism.

but agian no goverment no rights to dictate so you have to protect your own or hire it from your local warlord.

the whole idioligy is terribly flawed.

>>126038308
desu if anyone destroyed my stefan molyneux statue I would let the nukes fly

>>126039319
It's not. That's you making up yet another moral rule that you think can somehow magically be upheld over a large enough population to constitute a self-sustaining society.
>you claim ownership over the contract that you will receive payment for your labours
If that were part of the contract, you wouldn't be enslaved. You'd be an indentured servant.

>>126039744
that awareness means nothing if a same product costs 50% less cause it was made by slave labor in some shithole. You'd end up with no industry.
Some global economic crisis where countries turn to autarky and you're back to the middle ages.

>>126013140
>>126013347
>>126019796
>>126030129
Do you imply that women shit?

>>126039599
Wouldn't happen. There was a reason why the U.S.A. had the reverse of current trends in the 1950s - that is, it had the highest real wages but still had a capital inflow rather than a capital outflow. It's because it had the highest productivity stemming from highest human capital, capital per worker, low taxes and adherence to property rights. Companies are moving abroad now because other countries are more welcoming to businesses and don't have ridiculously inflated labour costs. Venice 1400s didn't have capital flight, 1700s Britain didn't, 1500s Netherlands didn't, 1800s-1950s America didn't, China doesn't now.


>>126039803
You could still break the contract, though. You wouldn't have to be a slave, just take the punishment for breaking the contract that the courts see fit.

>>126011677

what a flat ass

>>126039419
Nothing.
Civic nationalism is not an economic system

>>126017068
Why does America insist on being governed under non-white systems?

>>126040023
Why does it break the contract?
Are you telling me there arw contracts that are not permissable in an ancap society that only involves 2 parties?

>>126011677

One's for government and the other's not.

Anarcho capitalists are dipshits.

>>126040023
You can break any contract.
Are you under the impression that slaves aren't able to flee from their owners and become free by having escaped?

>>126039811
Because if those politicians are worth a damn they'll never put their self interests above the people, country and race he belongs to. Thats why we who support a state, its never in democracy. A serious leadership must be formed, born from the masses and approved. Not a financial meritocracy.

With no goverment you're stuck with companies. Which predominately act in self interest, and will bring trash cheap labor to your country or move all factories to a hellhole. These companies will with time form conglomerates and become huge, and way more scary than any state which ever existed.

>>126040073
Then you would have immigration of non-whites.

And thats why we oppose you

>>126039917
>and the also defend themselfes.
Gun ownership would probably rise, yes - you'd get lower security insurance costs by doing so.

>but agian no goverment no rights to dictate so you have to protect your own or hire it from your local warlord
Warlord seems to be a loaded term, but I fail to see the issue here.

>the whole idioligy is terribly flawed.
I understand that you disagree with it

>>126039938
Claiming that my opinion requires magic doesn't actually propose any form of rebuttal.

>You'd be an indentured servant.
A job.

If I understand where you're coming from, then of course it's "possible" to be enslaved in an AnCap society. Someone could kidnap you and force you to do stuff or you'd get shot. I don't see how this is flaw in the ideology.

>>126040284
No, I'm just saying that you aren't "permanently a slave", in the same way that signing on for rent and leaving without a month's notice doesn't make you permanently a tenant of the landlord. You get a fine for breaking contract.

>>126040300
>Are you under the impression that slaves aren't able to flee from their owners and become free by having escaped?
If they successfully flee they escape, yes.

>>126038308
Dude, it's an ideology to take into account when making present-day political decisions. Something to strive for. How can you justify the massive US oligarchy? I live there so my ideology is shaped by this fact.

>>126039463
>The USA was founded on minarchism. Less than 200 years later it was the largest state in human history.
Did that have something to do with the civil war it had and the two world wars it participated in?

>When you give someone the legal authority to kill and initiate force, it will always be used to expand the user's power and enrich his cronies.
You're trying to blackpill yourself to avoid addressing the fundamental flaws in your meme ideology.
What magical force stops me from initiating force to expand my power and enrich my cronies in ancapistan? Why does having the "legal authority" to do so make that much a difference?

>>126040679
Its up to the people in charge to ensure their system works.
Nothing works in perpetuity without effort

>>126011677
x=>5

>>126040679
Strange that the biggest force to unwanted immigration is the provision of public services to non-taxpayers.

>>126040798
>you arent permanently a slave
Well until you die isnt technically permanent is it

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>>126039463
The tree of liberty must....
who fucking cares anymore.

>>126013631
>anarcho-
>breaking that law
>law
How do ancaps answer this basic logical inconsistency?

>>126040929
A simple law closing borders and deporting all non-whites would suffice. Lift a huge burden from the hardworking taxpayer and a rejoice of cultural rennovation.
Only a powerful goverment with a non corrupted leadership can do that. This is not possible in anarchy.

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>>126040548
>if those politicians are worth a damn
Good luck with that. Meanwhile in the real world they are complete trash.

>born from the masses and approved
But that's democracy. You need to go the other way if you'd actually want to improve government.

>stuck with companies. Which predominately act in self interest
Everyone acts in their own interest. Grow up and stop believing in altruism. It doesn't exist. And that's especially true of politicians. If you give people power they're gonna use it for their own benefit. At least in a free market the companies are forced by competition to provide a decent service. No where in libertarian theory is it presumed that a CEO of a company needs to like you to provide you with a decent service. In government it's the exact opposite.

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>>126011677
Slighty different degrees of severe autism.

>>126016643
Multiple families co-habited in your shitty commie-blocks, I don't know what you are talking about, you were allocated shitty student dorms as grown working men. Communism is utterly retarded.

>>126040865
>What magical force stops me from initiating force to expand my power and enrich my cronies in ancapistan?
>Heh what magical force stopsm e from just blowing up the world in your ideology haha your ideology just got BTFO where's your magical forcesh uh magic doesn't exist therefore your STUPID

Production of Security - Gustav Molinari
A Theory of Capitalism and Socialism - H. H. Hoppe (last two chapters)

Trying to explain the intricacies of a proposed security system in AnCapistan is difficult, because I am not the owner/CEO of a security company and I do not know exactly how security would be provided. In order to critique anarcho-capitalism you have to critique it's systemic claims, not just propose the idea that suddenly there'd be a massive monopoly and everyone would die

>>126041286
Because law need not be provided by state and includes protected property rights in a loose manner.

>>126041024
If I refuse to be a slave even though I am contracted to be one I do not have to fulfil the contract, just endure a punishment. If I sign a contract saying I will meet somebody at x location tomorrow and I do not go, I will not be forced to go back in time and go there, I will just have to pay a punishment fee.

>>126041291
>A simple law closing borders and deporting all non-whites would suffice.
And a single leader at any point in the future doing the opposite would open the flood gates back open. Monopolies always expand if they're protected by force, the state is the clearest example of this and will always seek its own best interest, it is no benevolent God.
By the way, if your society is red-pilled enough to actually elect or stand behind a leader who wants to exclude all white people then it follows that your society prefers white people a significant amount over non-white people and would therefore pay more to live next to and around white people.

>>126040798
Your ideology is fueled by your opinions? This is good why?

>A job
You can freely quit a job. What does the word "indentured" mean?

And no you don't have to be kidnapped and threatened with being shot. It's capitalism, meaning there's an infinite number of desperate situations you can end up in, and be forced into doing things just to save yourself.
And this isn't to point out a flaw in ancap, there's plenty that's been demonstrated as it is. Just correcting you trying to correct the Belgian guy.
A slave trade is perfectly acceptable in ancapistan as long as there's no aggression.

>If they successfully flee they escape, yes.
And they're no longer slaves, then.

>>126041291
>muh laws
The problem isn't writing laws but actually enforcing them.

>Lift a huge burden from the hardworking taxpayer
A minimum state would accomplish that more easily.

>>126041304
Ensuring your community prospers is in your own interest too. If every one goes full autist your civilization would collapse.
Basic human interaction: its is in my interest to help my community prosper so in turn I'll prosper too. By me prospering I can give more to the community and prosper even more.

Property legitimizing a man instead of the man and his capacity legitiziming property is what led to shit politicians. Bunch of shitty, corrupted individuals with huge amount of wealth influencing politics for their benefit. How would ancap solve this problem?

>>126041792
Why would you reneg on a contract that you signed yourself?
The argument is that a person can freely and deliberately sell himself into slavery in true free market. Or at least in leasehold until death, as the case may be.
There is precedence for such activity, such as medieval serfdom, which was a true contract between lord and serf in every sense we use today.

>>126041792
Nobody said shit about blowing up the world. The argument was that a person having the legal authority to be violent towards others means they'll use it to become even more powerful.
Explain why the "legal authority" to do it is anymore of a factor than the physical ability itself, because there's plenty of examples of it happening without the legal authority.

>He expects people to follow his ideology without being able to explain how his ideology is functional

>>126042082
>enforcing
Impossible in anarchy. The state both writes the law and enforces it with manpower.
In anarchy there is no community because there is no representation.
>Minimun state
Get invaded by an imperial state and you're done. Imagine 3x China ultra communistic with 3 billion soldier. Their methods would be unhuman and tyranic, but effective if conquer is their goal.

>>126011677
one is usually more logically consistent

>>126041792
a massively armed population would remove any commie in leadership who attempts anything of the sort, obviously since 99% of the pop would be against immigration.

>>126017716
Capitalism is government-derived protection of capital. It's what enforces property rights so you're not constantly warlording to protect land and assets by your own defense. Business (trade) is a separate concept from capitalism, existing wherever people are naturally free to interact at their own risk.

>>126011677
Feudalism by any other word.

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>>126042126
>Ensuring your community prospers is in your own interest too.
Glad you're on my side then. The influence of communities has been decimated by the growth of state power. Like welfare programs destroying private charity and state run healthcare destroying mutual organizations.

>capacity legitiziming property is what led to shit politicians
Bureaucracy led to shit politicians. They can get away with it because idiots vote to expand state power.

>How would ancap solve this problem?
Takes power away from uneducated morons and gives it to consumers. It's easier to compare service quality and prices rather than learning a politicians history and economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_ignorance

>>126041840
You can freely not be an indentured servant in AnCapistan because contracts can be broken and you will pay a punishment fee for breaking them. All other contracts work this way.

>It's capitalism, meaning there's an infinite number of desperate situations you can end up in, and be forced into doing things just to save yourself.
You misunderstand freedom and force. If someone is offering you a job, they are not forcing you to do anything.

>A slave trade is perfectly acceptable in ancapistan as long as there's no aggression.
By entering into a "slave" relationship voluntarily you pre-suppose that you own yourself. It is a logical contradiction. If you sell your services, you can always break the contract. If you break the contract, you will cease to be a slave, you will just have to pay some punishment price.

>>126042338
If you didn't want to follow the contract anymore then you could break it, that is all. A person can sell themselves into a pseudo-slavery, but he can also break the relationship and will always retain a true ownership over his self. Yes, slavery occurred in serfdom.

>>126042504
>He expects people to follow his ideology without being able to explain how his ideology is functional
You misunderstand. If I say that bread should be made in the market, I do not need to explain to you exactly how bread would best be made and sold in a market environment. I do not know, this is for the baker to know.

>>126042527
>In anarchy there is no community because there is no representation.
There was no community in monarchic times?

>>126042905
So people are so willing to have an ethnostate that they'd shoot all those who tried otherwise? Why do you need a leader, then. There preferences would clearly lead to an ethnostate purely through market forces, in the same way that people who prefer car journeys over swimming to work get roads instead of pools on the path between their house and their job.

>>126041792
>If I refuse to be a slave even though I am contracted to be one I do not have to fulfil the contract, just endure a punishment. If I sign a contract saying I will meet somebody at x location tomorrow and I do not go, I will not be forced to go back in time and go there, I will just have to pay a punishment fee.

If you sell someone a house, is that a "contract"?

>>126042527
The muh laws comment was towards anti-immigration laws, they cost a lot to be enforced properly, you can't talk about reducing the tax burden if you are implementing a massive police state at the same time, immigration is less of a problem if there isn't wefare anyway.

>minimun state
One of the only services that it has to provide is exactly that, security, you can't say that it would do a worse job than a bloated state because there's no correlation between the presence of the state in the economy and its military power, the most powerful countries aren't the more socialist ones.

>>126043230
The contract is nulled once the ownership rights of property have been exchanged.
We can call it a contract, though. You can break that contract too, you can pretend that it's your own property. You'd pay the fine for breaking such a contract and you'd have to pay damages, just like as if you were a burglar.

>>126043525
To follow this, though: you wouldn't have to necessarily give him the exact same house and "fulfil" the previous contract - just pay the fine as prescribed by the preferred court of the area.

libertarians are a less extreme version of anarcho-capitalism

>>126043186
>they are not forcing you to do anything.
If someone buys all the farms around me and I'm unable to get food from anywhere else, they're forcing me to buy food from them.
You either agree with that or you support "freedom to starve to death" in which case, great argument for capitalism pal.
>By entering into a "slave" relationship voluntarily you pre-suppose that you own yourself.
Only up until you sign on the dotted line, from which point you are their property.
There is no contract to break. If you want to stop being a slave, you run away, kill your master, etc.
Then you're no longer their property.

>If I say that bread should be made in the market, I do not need to explain to you exactly how bread would best be made and sold in a market environment.
You need to explain why the bread "being made in the market" is a more efficient or sustainable or whatever system. In the case of ancap, you can't, so that's not really a good analogy.

>>126043525
>>126043661
In other words
>Slave trades are perfectly acceptable in ancapistan, I'm just going to overlay it with capitalist terminology to make it look like it's not barbaric.

>>126041792
>Because law need not be provided by state
Semantics. Any place adhering to laws inherently backed by force is under a government. It becomes a state. That's not anarchy. If you mean voluntary law like strong behavior guidelines, get ready for when someone doesn't behave or when you're falsely accused by mobs. Most people aren't angels. "Ancap" is an oxymoron.

>>126043186
>you can break contracts anytime you like
But why would you

>>126039299
Never made these points my friend, you did
Maybe stop projecting and try again

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>>126044240
> get ready for when someone doesn't behave or when you're falsely accused by mobs
His response to this will literally be "that wouldn't happen"
Because the meme ideology of ancapism is designed with the same delusional utopian concept as communism; the society it describes is one where, magically, everyone is in agreement

>>126043038
Your community prospering means general well being and health too. By community i mean your countrymen of your race and common heritage. If you only deem community to your inmediate surroundings, then you can't have modern civilization. Thus a welfare system of healthcare would ensure an organized, centralized system of medicine which would work towards general health and not profits.
Problem with today welfare is its benefiting mostly immigrants and non-working scum.
Paying taxes don't hurt that much if you can easily see them well invested in the infrastructure, beauty and organization of your cities, towns and villages.
>I said man should legitimize wealth/property by his character and capacity. What we have today is rotten people who amassed fortunes through either inheritance or banking practices.

Ie, you are entitled to that land and that big house cause you earned it through your effort.
What we have today is usurers and speculators coming with stashes of $$ and buying everything they want without breaking a sweat.

Giving power to intelectual, moral and spiritual elites solves many problems too. Platon was right

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>>126044179
>explain why the bread "being made in the market" is a more efficient or sustainable
http://dailysignal.com/2016/09/22/what-happened-when-new-zealand-got-rid-of-government-subsidies-for-farmers/
>Removing government assistance completely, New Zealand officials say, freed farmers to produce what people really want, and to do so in an efficient way that could turn a profit.

>Since the reforms, New Zealand farmers have cut costs, diversified their land use, and developed new products, Clark says.

>Additionally, productivity in agriculture has grown faster than the New Zealand economy as a whole.

Meanwhile Venezuelans are fucking starving.

>>126044361
>we're hitting cognitive dissonance levels that shouldn't even be possible

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>>126012615
wew lad

>>126044179
>If someone buys all the farms around me and I'm unable to get food from anywhere else, they're forcing me to buy food from them.
Okay, but why would this scenario actually occur?
You could just walk through their land. If they take you to court you just pay like £5 or something. If they shoot you they go to court for excessive use of force. If they encircle you, this is, with your goal being to get to the other side.
What's with all of these ridiculous hypotheticals that will never happen?
>If somebody buys literally everything then refuses to share it with you then you will die if you do not initiate force against him
Well, yes, okay, I grant that.

>Only up until you sign on the dotted line, from which point you are their property.
Why? People would probably prefer to patronise courts who didn't allow two year olds to scribble their name upon paper and then suddenly be a slave until death. Read some AnCap literature on courts (you won't)

>>126044240
A government is a monopoly on security and force. Competition in the field of security is not a government.

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>>126044467
> socialist
> talking about degeneracy
I bet you'll vote yes this weekend. Neck yourself.

>>126011677
Ancaps hate the environment.

>>126043421
Wouldn't really need to be enforced that much if most people agreed that immigration is shit.

State administring aspects of the economy can be beneficial too. It can ensure corps business is acting in the benefit of the nation.

>>126011677
Roads.

>>126044615
Nice horseshoe theory reference, really got my neurons firing. I appreciate you replying with my exact viewpoints too, friend. Good argument indeed, I tip my fedora to you.

>>126044906
>i claim some people can't afford guns
>you claim I claimed they can't even get guns
>somehow I'm the bullshitter
Nah

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>>126043018
Well yes ancap is essentially feudalism
But is that bad? Feudalism gave europeans the most dynamic cultural periods in history such as the italian classical renaissance and the enlightement

>>126045035
Conservation of the environment works better under private property than public property. Try again.

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>>126044797
>centralized system of medicine which would work towards general health and not profits
Are you running for something? That garbage might sound good to idiot voters. But it sounds like garbage to me. Free market healthcare is vastly better than socialized. Not only is it less efficient because of bureaucracy it's because of incentives as well. In a socialized system what do people say when the system isn't performing as it should? Hurr durr need mo money for dem programs. And they get it. Because they can just the people. So the government employees actually have an incentive to not perform.

>>126045087
>It can ensure corps business is acting in the benefit of the nation
>a fucking Argetinian saying that

It can ensure the corps busines is acting in the benefit of their pockets, FTFY.

>>126044615
Exactly. Everyone eventually is put into the grinder of "might makes right." Everyone is dealing with how to cope with life on limited lands and resources, where other groups will prey upon them when able. It can turn into a fatalistic existence quickly. It's a triumph of epic proportion to have the Bill of Rights still standing up even a little to the constant internal and globalist assault.

>>126036144
>>126036446

I see the Gypsy's point, though. I used to work for a think-tank and you'd be blown away by the amount of PhDs who study every obscure piece of economic history in order to present a better way forward for undeveloped and developing countries, and after 2008, developed countries as well.

They work so hard to "fix" the world's economic hot zones, the ideas are out there, but ultimately, it's not up to them to implement them, they just have the ideas, they can't decide who acts upon them.

Granted, the ideas probably wouldn't work and we all eventually come back to same statement: "Things right now are as good as they're going to be given the circumstances. It could be so much fucking worse. Let's get lunch."

>>126045582
there's a graph missing of the percentage of citizens who can actually afford these wait-times.

>>126045582
>comparing my idea of healthcare system with what the U.S experimented with

ask yourself, which elements are leeching more from the healthcare?
those elements would've been taken care of in my system. You give a little of your earning for healthy countrymen (this would include the purging of health hazards and genetic diseases, mostly not allowing them to reproduce) in the long run. And when its your turn to be at the hospital you have already paid.
Its two different ways of organizing i guess. I would have both public & private.

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>>126045129
Yea you said that meant every country outside the US somehow. Retarded.
>>126029093
>shitholes where people can't even get a gun.
>>126031299
>every country except the US is a shit hole
And that's not to mention you can get a salt rifle in shithole countries for the price of chicken. Like what are you even arguing?

>>126045582

This graph is deceptive, in your Canadian emergency room, patients are sorted by order of need, so if you broke your ankle and another patient is in the middle of having a heart attack, the broken ankle guy is gonna have to wait a few hours.

Here, your sorted by your ability to pay/insurance. Yeah, they're legally obliged to stabilize you if you can't pay, but don't expect more than that.