Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm
It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.
Resources:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
>>126000237
Tell us more about the joys of the gulag comrade.
Remember, it is wrong to eat your children.
>>126000665
Stalin ended the famines.
Keep dreaming, GOMMIE
>>126001351
and the family.
kys
>>126001351
After 9 million ukrainians starved to death, certainly. Do bear in mind he started the Holdomor by forcibly taking their food.
>>126001351
Here is evil capitalist history for you to ignore like a good little comrade. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/russia-1900-to-1939/the-great-famine/
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>>126002385
No man, those collectives were forced labour
Workers had no passports there.
They could not move
They got very tiny and miniscule pay
They were slaves/
>>126002385
Tell us the stats bud:
How many died in ukraine?
How many died in Ireland?
>>126002752
I assume by your low effort memes and avoidance of any discussion that you concede the previous argument?
Also, if capitalism is responsible for all of those deaths in those regions, is it not also responsible for the ongoing prosperity of those regions, including their falling mortality rates and increasing population?
Capitalism seems super popular for some reason, I wonder why.
Doesn't work
>>126003175
overpopulation =/= prosperity
>>126002752
>Look, I'm making shit up!
Well, we already know that you're a commie, no need trying extra hard to confirm this.
Dumping my lefty/pol/ dox/cringe folder
Remember to sage
>>126003439
Your arguing that overabundance does not lead to population growth?
What does lead to population growth then?
Does lack of food increase the population?
If we deprive a country of resources will they then grow in size? Will they flock to a state who has little and is shrinking its economy?
History mocks you.
The spanish autist is this guy
Lefty/pol/ mod
>>126003775
>overabundance
Some mentally ill ugly tranny from the lefty/pol/ discord
>>126003831
>Mendoza
>Spain
Various lefty/pol/ shitskins and queer
1/?
2/?
>b-but [political ideology] is bad because it kills people/makes people suffer!
people would die anyway regardless of the system, either because they were born in the economically unfortunate side of society or because they opposed the government.
3/?
Another shitskin teenager
4/?
>>126003982
tl;dr: morality is a spook.
Another crazy tranny abomination
5/?
>>126003887
>giving food to niggers so we can have more niggers so we can have even more niggers
Let them starve.
>>126003887
We have so much food we can afford to throw it away, even the poorest in the west can feast upon our trash, by third world standards our poor eat like kings.
The problem with africa is charity, each time we donate food to them the local farmers go bankrupt. Social justice is the problem.
Lefty/pol/ autism at their gay little discord group
Literal subhumans and 15 year old autists
Another lefty/pol/ fat mongrel
Lefty/pol/ Boston meeting photo
>>126000237
I feel sorry for you.
Lefty/pol/ mod
>>126004378
what do you mean comrade?
Another lefty/pol/ tranny
USA has taste in statues
Why are you lefty/pol/ spergs so effeminate?
Duo can't get more iconic than this
Another larping lefty/pol/ cuck
>>126003716
fuck someone beat me to it
Reminder that the elfty/pol/ BO is a tranny
>>126004584
get your own thread croissant
>>126004449
Serious question: why are you doing this?
I don't think I have ever seen a discussion here, people just make fun of communism until they get bored and then the thread 404's
>>126004771
What is it with commies being trannies?
>>126000237
back in the summer of 72' i learned communists make excellent compost.
I was driving home after a long day at the office and at a busy intersection, a bunch of coons, chinks and pasty fat kids were blocking the road with communist propaganda signs and an arm-link fence. this was the 4th time in 3 months. it was time to do something about it.
I got out, walked to the back of my car, and tore my license plate straight off. I then got back in, put on my driving shades, and hit the gas. the shrieks of terror and the thumping of their now-dead bodies colliding with my vehicle were the stuff of nightmares. apparently the sight of so many of their members being killed in the line of duty scared off the rest of those filthy stalinists, because before i knew it, anyone whose head was not splattered against the bumper of my car was now running for the hills, screaming all the way.
I had no idea if anyone had called the police in the ensuing panic yet, so i rightfully decided to book it. as i was running to the back of my car to try and reaffix the license plate in case any potential cops on the way home took notice, i thought to myself, "i can't walk away from something this big without some kind of souvenir." At first i thought id take one of their signs, but that would be too big to hide. Then i saw it: a severed hand, torn straight from the arm of some red cunt. At this point, i decided i'd do something interesting with it. You see, i had a small chili plant i kept on my windowsill that i felt hadn't received any type of nutrition for a long time, and seeing how worthless communists inherently are, i decided it was time that one of them was given a purpose in life. I wrapped the hand in some tissues, and when i got home, i lifted the pepper with all the dirt out of the pot and placed the hand at the bottom. to this day, those are the damn best tasting peppers ive ever had.
Fuck you. This is now a Steven Seagal General /SSG/
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>>126000237
dismissed for absolute retardation
>>126004645
You were in a thread 13 hours ago. Like Pedro, you have no fucking job.
>>126005055
Do you have a decent webm of him dancing in Chechnya? All I have is a shitty gif...
>>126005356
Never found one, mate. I might make it myself one of these days.
>>126002752
National Socialist wasn't capitalist and the 11 million number for the death toll is literally an admitted lie.
http://archive.is/gGnmb
>The “5 million” has driven Holocaust historians to distraction ever since Wiesenthal started to peddle it in the 1970s. Wiesenthal told the Washington Post in 1979, “I have sought with Jewish leaders not to talk about 6 million Jewish dead, but rather about 11 million civilians dead, including 6 million Jews.”
>Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims – 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews. “I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in an interview Tuesday. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”
>“I have been to many Yom Hashoah observances — including those sponsored by synagogues and Jewish communities — where eleven candles were lit,” she wrote in an article in the Jewish Review of Books in which she lacerated Wiesenthal’s ethical standards. “When I tell the organizers that they are engaged in historical revisionism, their reactions range from skepticism to outrage. Strangers have taken me to task in angry letters for focusing ‘only’ on Jewish deaths and ignoring the five million others. When I explain that this number is simply inaccurate, in fact made up, they become even more convinced of my ethnocentrism and inability to feel the pain of anyone but my own people.”
And if you're going by the logic that Communism is better than Capitalism because it caused LESS deaths than automatically National Socialism is a better system because it caused less deaths than both of the other ideologies
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>>126003775
>Responding unironically to thoughtless "I was just pretending to be retarded" deliberately retarded and ingenious bait commie pasta spam.
Stop feeding trolls and just report the spam.
>>126005753
Bugger. Have a кинo Cигaл
>>126005796
The first thing on that list is bullshit, the levees weren't built high enough simply because a hurricane of that magnitude was considered so unlikely.
The whole thing is bullshit he made up since the last list he used went back to the 1400's to reach the same number of people killed by communism in 80 years.
>>126006273
But its fun to sage and refute them simultaneously, I want them to know in detail how retarded their ideology is.
>>126004477
Yeah... That statue has got to go...
>>126006452
No it doesn't, only thing it's missing is Stalin next to him
>>126006398
This mentally ill gross spannish commie tranny has started around 600 threads like this. Maybe it's time to stop trying arguing with it and just make fun of them
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/Hello%20Comrades/country/ES/type/op/
Thoughts on this book?
>>126006398
>I want them to know in detail how retarded their ideology is.
Honesty this.
Pedro started out posting all kinds of wacky infographics, referencing papers written by marxist professors and actually replying to people. He started out with a half dozen people helping him.
Now, there's never more than three of these unemployed shitters in a thread, they don't try to discuss anything seriously and shitpost anime and old propaganda since their inforgraphics get torn to shreds.
They've actually gone backwards.
>>126006559
Get a job.
>>126006889
That guy doesn't look like a brainwashed "revolutionary" LARPer at all
>>126007264
>that fucked-out image quality
Pedro you nigger put down the sangria
>>126006941
It's also excellent for practicing against their shitty arguments, they tend to reuse them and pass them round, kill it here and you can kill it wherever it rears its orifice next. It's shit like this that makes pol stronger.
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>>126007619
And eventually they stop arguing, because their argument collapsed in 1991.
>>126007865
Pretty much.
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>>126007799
Yet another image Pedro posted without thinking it through.
>>126004231
I am not even remotely surprised that these are the people who post these threads
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>>126008712
>Being THIS assblasted
Go to sleep, it must be late there
/pol/ should read Adorno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_y0LxcANic
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>>126009659
Relax, Kimmo and Pedro are just going to self bump every 20 minutes or so till they get bored.
>>126010940
/pol/ should still read Adorno though.
>>126006736
This is the OP? Holy fuck hahahaha, and i thought this shit was only memes!
>>126004231
>/leftypol/ discord
that's the r/socialism discord you mong
communism has never been tried.
>>126000237
>Spaniard again
Either this is just a long elaborate joke or you are a devout leftypolfaggot. But I think someone pays you to post this cancer EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY. FUCKING COMMIESHIT.
>>126013311
So much estrogen in one .jpg
>>126000237
Also did someone doxx this fag or I have to do it myself? I can drive to Spain with a baseball bat and bash his place up with minimal expenses.
>>126013488
Multiple times a day. And they're expanding too so when Pablo is sleeping Mikko the Finnish commie takes over
>>126013816
Undialectical.
>>126014059
Suck a dick and die you retarded cringy faggot
>>126014059
You stinky faggots are infected with goymmunism. Your country should be part of Africa not Europe because there is nothing European left about you only monuments built by your ancestors that weren't tainted by mudslime and nigger hordes.
>>126014377
What a reactionary thing to say.
>>126015179
Fucking kill yourself
>>126015179
Communism works fine until you run out of other people's money
>>126015112
Marx wasn't european?
>>126015709
Communism is moneyless.
>>126015932
Good luck with that. Unless you want to live in the stone ages you need currency. It's impossible to have a state of autarky and still live in a 21st century nation, you simply will lack resources to do things. To get the resources you need you will have to trade with capitalist nations. No money, no trade, no resources = agrarian society of peasants
>>126016346
Communism is achieved after generations of global socialism. Socialism need to capture every country first.
>>126017488
Ah, so it's a pipe dream
>>126017789
Nope, we are seeing an increment in the socialism interest in USA thanks to Trump, Stalin popularity is increasing for the first time in 20 years in Russia and more than 50% there want the USSR back. In Spain the so called 'radical left' is still dangerously close to win the general elections eventually and overall people have access to understanding socialism better than anytime before. So no, I don't think so.
>>126000237
I feel sorry for you.
>>126018891
Deja vu.
>>126000237
Star trek is a tv show faggot. Communism is just a pipe dream of the weak and stupid. They will eventually kill off the weak in communism as well.
>>126019429
The internet was science fiction too, or space travel before the soviets invented it.