Jordan B Peterson and Jared Brown testimony on Bill C-16

Bump. Thanks for sharing

Wow. Watching it right now

>>125994088
Jesus fucking Christ, how the fuck can anyone possibly continue to argue against that smackdown.

>>125994640
The end where he mentioned gay therapy really rustled their jimmies

Last bump for the people to see.

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You know what, this is new levels of argument. I know it's not necessarily a debate but he's topped Hitchens in a way.

Also, notice how he used the word "Smoking Pistol".

This needs to get out there.

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Just finished. Jordan represented well. Really enjoyed the woman implying that him being an authority in his classroom was somehow a problem or discrediting.

What were the best argument points /pol/acks?

I liked the gay conversation angle, and the both A and not A statement (objectivist boner)

>>125996550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEfgf2GRk3Q

>Random polling comment

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>>125994088
jordan b peterson just brutalized these guys, holy fuck that was amazing to watch.

I hope C-16 passes. The pendulum needs to swing a bit higher. We'll never get a race war if liberals like Peterson maintain the system.

>>125994088
Watched a few hours of JP videos over the past few days. The leaf is near unstoppable.

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>>125994088
thanks for sharing it leaf

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What is xir's endgame, /pol/?

>>125997458
Peterson pretty much says what their end goal is: communism. Or at least a very left leaning authoritarian system.
That's why he repeatedly says "I don't believe this is about the pronoun issue for one second. Because that's a very minor (and stupid) issue. It goes deeper."
I can't bring up the videos where he actually says what their end game is, because most videos with him are long as fuck, but you can look it up.
The far-left's end goal is basically well, communism.

>>125994088
Not a leaf but, why not? I'm underemployed and have time. I'll just stash it away in my watch bin for now. The sun will be up soon.
>Hisses and crawls into crypt

>>125997458
To be honest I find these people place behind the witnesses, ESPECIALLY on this occasion, on purpose.
I literally watched closely to see what he was writing, he was doodling.

The other 3-4 fat feminist women behind him were scoffing and nodding in a "no" way.

It's a new tactic in political filming: having bystanders say a message with their body language.

You also had conservative bystanders who would nod and listen in closely.

You see this with Trump a lot also. Congress, etc.

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>>125998254
Fish mouth confirmed.

tl;dr why leafs are burning

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>>125997626
>The far-left's end goal is basically well, communism.
it's worse than that, they're not just worried about economics. they want to tear down western civilisation in its entirety, and this includes something as simple as there being two distinct genders with two distinct roles. distinct genders is actually an act of oppression, society imposes your gender on you when you are born. your role as male or female is oppression imposed on you by the state and culture. it seems they do not want genders to exist in any capacity. they believe humans are absolutely malleable, that we can be socialised to be absolutely anything, including nothing at all.

i cant imagine what kind of society they wish to institute, but it seems like it would be something far far worse than anything imagined in 1984 or a brave new world. it's so far down the deconstructionist rabbit hole that it is basically a nothing society, but would end up being so staunchly authoritarian and brutal to anyone not following the orthodoxy that it would quickly descend into such an unbearable hellhole that it would quickly collapse. it wouldn't just be poor, or totalitarian, or oppressive, but would attack your most basic human nature from the moment of your birth. fuck only knows what they'd put into their kids with the latest in scientific advancements, but it'd be ruinous and evil.

they must be stopped, these people are insane and evil.

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>>125998566
But they are so full of life and zeal!

>>125998709
there were three landwhales on my bus today with brightly coloured hair, aside from all the chinamen and indians. our world has been absolutely fucked.

>>125996915
this
>>125996838
What do you expect he was being asked questions by emotional affirmative action strong empywyred brown wymyn with

>>125998566
Lol I read this with an Aussie accent

>>125996767
That was killer. I need to steal that point. Happens all the time with appeals to authority.

>>125999287
>>125999174
i read this imagining a fat mouth full of burger trying to splutter coherently

>>125999089
>has landwhales (fat country)
>rides the bus (poor)
>is half abbo
>also half Chinaman and Indian
>>125999464
>is mad too apparently

>>125998566
You don't need to imagine it, just look up how Communism in practice worked.

Always the same game, they implement a ways justify arbitrary punishment (fuck the gender pronouns, only useful idiots care about that)
Once this is in place they can go against whomever those in power do not like, whose property they want to steal, or who is not doing as he or she is told by them.

We can all see the writing on the wall. If the leftist mainstream media and particularly opinion peaces are to be taken seriously then being a white male in itself will qualify us for punishment.
It will likely be about supposedly negative qualities that white males possess and whoever can't suppress them will be punished.

Our unelected senators, everyone.

>>125999671
>You don't need to imagine it, just look up how Communism in practice worked.
These people aren't just a vanguard for old school communists, they're the vanguard of a newer more modern movement that wants to fundamentally tear down and restructure society. Fundamentally is the key word, because they want to attack us at the absolute roots of what it is to be human.
It would be worse than historical communist regimes, they aren't just attacking rich people, they're attacking people for their nature. They want to enforce draconian laws that directly contradict how society must function as a result of our biology and the social structure inherent to it. The USSR would look tame compared to this, they killed people based on wealth and orthodoxy to ideology. This will be exterminating people for the fundamental realities of what life is. It's not just gender pronouns, it's that our society is predicated at every level on oppression, and every single aspect of that must be dismantled.

>>125999642
I'm still imagining it

>>126000609
Explain. I'm not an expert in Leafistan.

Well just be careful with idolizing mere mortals. They are human and if they slip you'll go down with them.

>>126000692
Fellow Froganon, do you think this dumb shit will be debated in parliament? Is a social liberal, Macron might turn a blind eye.

>>125997458
>>125998341

I loaded up this thread about the time it began. I watched the whole video and repeated a few parts, knowing full well that when I refreshed the page this fucking guys face was going to be posted several times.

That fucking guy. THAT FUCKING GUY.

>>126000692
Holy fuck dude thank god you're here to warn us.

>>126000668
I can't even finish reading it I'm laughing so hard imagining an Aussie saying this in a serious manner

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>>126000947
let's not derail the Peterson thread

>>125994088
Bump for the only canadian who ain't a cuck

>>126001173
This was a fun read too

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>>125996915
Fuck off faggot, push agitation in your own country.

>>125998566
nice pic, mind if i save it?

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>actually proposing to force public forces to enforce individually-specific and individually-defined private laws onto the unfamiliar public
>then spending an hour debating the problem of forcing public forces to enforce individually-specific and individually-defined private laws onto the unfamiliar public

come on now

heres some cancer for you all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on13KuARU3E

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>>126001941
did you miss the part where the senator mentioned that without this legislation people's feelings could get hurt? there may even be depression or suicide as a result. you must've missed that part anon.

>>126001907
frig off

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>>126002106
It's like proposing a law that gives everyone $10k because it will cut suicides and depression then framing all opposed to the legislation as pro suicide and anti-depressed.

What a fucked up lobster hierarchy.

>>126001745
Nice OC

>>126002364
OC haha, I found it on 9gag and reddit. Those guys...

>>126002036
I couldn't bear the unorganized slop of a discussion they had. I think some points were okay though
>guy talked about self defined women in women's shelters
I couldn't focus on the rest

>>125994088

Never heard of this guy.

This was just... fucking badass.

>>126002516
Why does your committee have people asking questions in French? Sure you have French speaking provinces but why in fuck would you have senators that can't ask questions in common language? That's just needlessly clunky inconvenient.

>>126002665

Because French is an official language, so they speak in french. It's their native language, but i'm pretty sure they do it to piss people off and to be dominant.

>>126002665
Because muh quebec I guess.

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>>125994088
Getting pretty brutal at 24min in. JP bitch slapping these cuck leafs.

>>126002883
>but i'm pretty sure they do it to piss people off and to be dominant.
god i hate the french, how do you lot tolerate having those snobby cunts taking up so much of your land?

>>126003139
To be fair, they're just like us. They don't want to lose their culture.

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>>126000939
I'm glad i could help you figur your life out.

>>126002597
You should check out his talks with Joe Rogan they are amazing.

First:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE

Second:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USg3NR76XpQ

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I love Peterson...The impact he has and will continue to have on young men is a realistic turning point. I honestly believe that this man has the potential of being a living hero to many.

buy the 30$ sort
selfauthoring. com/purchase.html
the price will go up to 150$?
2 for 1 deal so give one to a /b/ro that like urself is a bit lost but you can see potential.

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>>126003501
Peterson's the only person I've found that could offer coherent and powerful arguments against nihilism.

He's absolutely based.

>>126003501

I bought it ages ago when he was tossing them around for free or a couple of cents. I never used it. Is it any good and will it still be available to me after all this time?

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>>126003501
Ever since I heard JP I've started to get into religion (Christianity and reading the bible). I've found meaning in life and started to seperate good from bad. Things are so beautiful.

I was just outside looking at the beautiful clouds, squirrels and birds.

I'm becoming more of a man every day

>>126003501
Fully agreed. He's the first person I actually am donating to.
>>126003593
>powerful arguments against nihilism.
As someone who struggled with nihilism, I completely agree. He's blown my thoughts on many things, but the anti-nihilistic viewpoint is one of the biggest ones. And he did it so concisely, too.
>well what does it all matter in a million years? Everything is meaningless.
>tell that to a suffering child today. do you feel that way if a loved one is in pain?
He basically opened my eyes to the double lives we lead - the one in our heads, and the one we act out, and the one we act out is reality. And we act out as if our lives HAVE meaning, and the lives of the people we love HAVE meaning. Basically nihilism = dead from that point on.

This video is no joke.

>>125994088

absolutely worth watching from start to finish

>>126004042
He assblasted them, roughly speaking.
>>126004050
Seconded. The ending was an amazing climax:
"Well if there's no fixed identity and it's all contextual, why is conversion therapy a problem?"
>utter silence
Beautiful.

>>126003305

Thanks, will do.

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>>126003908
Yeah spot on.

The hardest truth to swallow has been his idea that nihilism is ultimately just a means of avoiding responsibility. That you can either say everything is meaningless and therefore I have no responsibility for my life, or everything is meaningful and I have to take full responsibility for all of it. That's a terrifying thought, and it makes that perversely comforting position of nihilism, where you need not feel guilt for being a piece of shit untenable. I've found that a tremendously difficult idea to accept as it radically alters absolutely everything.

>jared brown
Who's this guy?

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>when he doesn't refer to you as xer

>>126004861
A based lawyer

>>126000668
These people are not communists, they are the actual useful idiots. Communists make the bill they want pushed, find a way to attach it to some moronic lefty movement, and then abuse that new law to its fullest until they have total power. These idiots would all then be purged, with government fully renovated (including the removal of this bill).

>>126004873
Can't tell if that lady is filled with utter contempt or das it mane.

>>125994088
The hand gesture he makes when he says "inordinate" at 4:05 is fuckiing awesome, it's like he is charging a Kekian kamehameha and releasing it on listeners. Love it

>>126005159
see
>>125998254

>>126005124
So who are these shady backroom dealers that are actually pulling the strings then? How do you know they are old school communists and don't hold to the very same deconstructionist philosophy as their useful idiots?

>>125994088
total ideological beatdown and a great closer, shout out to Doctor Peterson, he is that nigga

>>126004873
Seems Robin Williams didn't actually kill himself.

>>126003889
What vid is this with kermit in the pic?

>>126005124
Modern leftism is indistinguishable from (small-letter C) communism

>>126005538
it all makes sense now

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>>126005599
>00
>55
>99

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>Peterson face when dropping truth bombs on a bunch of displeased baby boomer trannies

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>>126005697
Badabing.

I'll take this opportunity to convert a fortuitous GET into intellectual capital by reminding everyone in this thread of the absolute final redpill.

Are you ready for this, guys?

>America is a communist country.

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/09/technology-communism-and-brown-scare.html

>>125996767
he sure is shaking badly.

>>126006633

i'd shake too.

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What was Mrs brown doing there? Is this the christmas special?

just finished, 10/10

bet it will still pass

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bampu dis bread, fuck slide threads this is good shit

>>126008485
Probably

By the way senators (((Frum))) and (((Gold))).

>>126009462
muh dick is officially diamonds

>>126009814
>I'm a free speech kind of guy
>but what about my feelings
>senator Marc (((Gold)))

This was much more well put than Gad Saad's message who ironically was using his own identity politics to back up points

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>>125994088
The triggered faces in the background are fucking hilarious, especially the rosaceous, bowtied, coiffed pudgelord mean-mugging for a whole hour. This vid is literally euphoric for me

>>126010243
Gad Saad is a bit of a blawddy wanker in my humble opinion

>>126005465
1) Anyone that's power hungry. Communism was never as much of an economic system as it was a political excuse to take absolute control over a nation. The appeal is obviously pretty strong, and useful idiots HAVE to be put down after obtaining power in order to burn the very bridge to that power.
2) Sort of covered above, but they aren't communists in that they believe state controlled economy is optimal, but rather people who desire full, personal control of a nations economy and population. I highly doubt Stalin believed in communist efficiency, so to me communist means useful idiot, while Stalinists are those who actually capitalize on, and often create, these measures.
3) It is very possible that useful idiots can organically create movements like this bill, but the very obvious backdoor to power via imprisonment and/or confiscation of property from opponents leaves only a few options. Either this was done purposefully, or if actually organic, the true Stalinists just simply enjoy a "free" powerplay, and will absolutely take advantage if it succeeds. Given the amount of media pressure around the world to accept the bill's line of unscientific, and thus false, reasoning, I'd say it's highly unlikely high up opportunists are not involved.

>>126010243
eh, he was fighting identity politics with identity politics to emphasise that there's no end to it. i thought he did pretty good

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ITS
NO
JOKE
MAN

>>126010243
Gad always rubbed me the wrong way, because everything he says seems vaguely dishonest. I don't know if it's the way he presents it, but there's a veneer of self-importance to everything he does.
He seems slimey
>remembers he's a jew
Well then.

>>126010886
>1) Anyone that's power hungry
Who specifically? The Jews? Soros? People always offhandedly throw out these conspiracies to just be assumed true, but we're so limited in our actual access to real information, and the world is so incredibly complicated that just penning it in as globalist conspiracy seems lazy.
Why are so many people readily becoming useful idiots? What has happened to these people since childhood that has led them into rabid ideological possession? How were they indoctrinated?
>Cultural Marxism
Doesn't really explain it, how were these ideas transmitted, why are they finding so much fertile ground, and who specifically stands to gain.
>Communism was never as much of an economic system as it was a political excuse to take absolute control over a nation
Then Lenin and Trotsky were either useful idiots, or were disingenously using their economic philosophy as a jumping off point to grab power for themselves. People make this same case for Hitler, that he did not believe what he was doing, but was purely opportunistic and megalomaniacal, but as with Lenin and Trotsky I can't believe it. When you listen to them it screams genuineness.
Obviously Stalin is a different matter, but it's not like Stalin was pulling Lenin's strings.

>>126012164
>penning it in as globalist conspiracy seems lazy
Calling it lazy doesn't make it either inaccurate or incorrect. In fact, that criticism isn't even an criticism it's more a complaint. I find your first argument, very lazy.
>Who specifically? The Jews? Soros?
You got your answer - anyone that's power hungry, and the potential for that hunger is in every human being. Ever heard of office dictators? Minor position bureaucrats who revel in whatever minuscule power they have at every turn. You don't need to look at a specific group, rather in the corrupting potential of power itself. You are trying to identify groups, when the problem is broader and in every person. Narrow-minded.
>how were these ideas transmitted, why are they finding so much fertile ground, and who specifically stands to gain.
If you'd watched any videos on Cultural Marxism, or even Peterson's videos on it, the answer has been clear for a few years now. Colleges are a cess pit of Cultural Marxism, as is the MSM, including movies and tv-shows.
>Then Lenin and Trotsky were either useful idiots, or were disingenously using their economic philosophy as a jumping off point to grab power for themselves.
>were disingenously using their economic philosophy as a jumping off point to grab power for themselves.
Exactly. Just because you "believe" you know what their motives were, doesn't make it so. Their actions speak for themselves. Their ideology turned out to be nothing more than a mass murdering power grab and a power play. Nobody prospered under communism except, ironically, the ruling class. Peterson suggests reading the Gulag Archipelago to find out exactly how their ideology, when enacted, became the horror that communism was, despite their "high-minded" rhetoric.

Jared Brown is a pretty smart guy

>that sanctimonious old french hag

>>126014512
The Indian one was worse to my mind.

Does this panel have any power?
Are the findings taken into account at any stage, there were only a couple of objecting opinions and they were complete cunts.

>>125999642
>calling other countries fat
>only countries fatter than USA are small island nations and rich muslims
56%

>>126013322
It was a complaint.
>You got your answer - anyone that's power hungry
What I want to know is was this philosophy created in order to subvert western civilisation, or is it only being used for that purpose? Would exposing and guillotining the conspirators fix the problem completely? Or is it more fundamental than that?
Why are so many people completely defenseless to evil nihilistic ideologies?

>Their ideology turned out to be nothing more than a mass murdering power grab and a power play
Well that's what happened after they were exiled and then assassinated. They themselves didn't have enough time in the hotseat to demonstrate whether they were simply corrupt or truly believed their ideology.
All character analysis points to them being devotees of what they preached, Trotsky and Lenin were fanatical. I understand what it actually eventuated into, but it's entirely possible they genuinely believed in the utopian future, without understanding the inherent flaws that corrupted it from the beginning and made that impossible.
Similar to Hitler, I'm quite certain he genuinely believed what he preached. He foresaw a utopia, and was willing to do whatever necessary to achieve it. His motivations and what eventuated were not the same thing.

>>125998566
have you read 1984? didn't they literally encourage people to be as gender neutral as possible to the point of discouraging sex and healthy relationships? It seems eerily familiar

>>126000839
There's no freedom of speech in our """Republic""".

>>126016302
I've read it a few times, with many years in-between.
I don't remember that, but I'm happy to be proved wrong.

>>126016302
They set up an anti-sex league that was compulsory to join for girls, and had scientists researching on how to remove via neuroscience the orgasm from the act of reproduction.
Orwell was satirizing how Communist regimes were literally trying to destroy the traditional family model through their laws.

>>126016684
I always thought communism was just an economic thing, why would they start shitting up families and relationships between people?

>>126016302
Only for party members. Big Brother didn't care what the proles did: the oppression was of the outer party mainly.

>>126017144
Power. Sheer exercise of power was the motivating factor behind everything in 1984. Plus, Orwell wasn't tackling commies but all totalitarianism.

>>126016211
Ivory tower intellectuals believing they've come to the correct answer for social ills if they had enough control to action them. Communist might be the best descriptor because they see themselves as a 'meritocracy' with themselves as the leaders.

Its not like a group of guys get together in a back room somewhere and say "we're going to use trannies as a political hammer to break the system".
Academics form a consensus identifying a problem (e.g. muh oppression) then they say "heres the data on the problem, if we had X legal power we could mitigate that problem".
After it passes out of academia its picked up by people that say "this is interesting" which creates a demand for media.
If the media is accepted it reinforces the impression that they have merit through consensus.
Then a lawmaker picks up the proposition of legal expansion and gambles on it to expand their status.

The academics view everything between their consensus to the idea becoming policy as red tape to saving the world.
Politicians that are happy to go along with it generally do so because its a useful landmine to throw under an opponent and/or its been framed in a way that support makes them look like a savior.
If the academics ever implement enough of their policy to be in reach of power the politicians cut them down.

>Why are so many people completely defenseless to evil nihilistic ideologies?
The well intentioned quick fix is attractive and since its endorsed by the intellectuals you must be a pretty smart to endorse it too! Why, you're so smart I bet you could fix everything if you were in power.

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>>126017144
>just an economic thing
Oh my sweet Finnish friend, for a country famed for fighting the Soviets for so long, you know little of what madness gripped them.

Utopianism. A belief in totally remaking the world by destroying its tribes, moulding them into the one super and equal tribe. You see this belief carried on through cultural marxism, which espouses diversity as strength and multiculturalism, whilst ignoring the obvious question that if every nation is multi-cultural, does any nation have a culture?
From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.

But for such a paradise, you needed first to burn the old world. Family was just one more loyalty that creates inequality, for you would place loyalty for your children over your loyalty for the 'state'. Which has become an abstract replacement for the God that the Communists are also busily knocking down by demoralizing the faithful and knocking down the churches, asking why if there is such a thing as a higher power, he doesn't intervene to stop them.

Then a story of a young boy who overhears dissent from his parents, reports them to the KGB. And is hailed a hero and touted as a role-model for children across the Union. People would have the story relaid to them day and night via loud-speaker, telling them of his courage and honor to the state over the criminals.

That story isn't told because the authorities or the people think it noble, it is done to further demoralize them. What they know in their bones is wrong, is told day and night is right, and thus the fault must lie with them.
Making them deny basic truths is the perfect way to tell them obvious and complete lies.

Communism is about power. Power in the most cynical and traitorous of ways. No school of thought has been such a cancer on the earth as Communism.
FREE
HELICOPTER
RIDES

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>>126018016
>some people actually idolize soviets and other commies
>some people actually want a world like this

>>126018016
>A belief in totally remaking the world by destroying its tribes, moulding them into the one super and equal tribe.
You just described Islam.

>>126018629
Hence the retarded and strange alliance between Islam and the Prog Left. Historians will study this in the future with great essays and explanations on society and psychology. Logically the two are completely incompatible when you look at their views, but their goals align and thus the strange bedfellows march to the slaughterhouse.

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was just browsing peterson's twitter and saw this article

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/lolas-story/524490/?utm_source=twb

i was NOT ready for these feels

>>126019714

read that yesterday, the feelings lola still had for both him and his mother were surprising.. To still be able to care for people who treated you that way, she was truly a good woman.

>>126019714
Sad, but NOT related.
Make your own thread, blackpiller.

It's amazing how we can all agree on Peterson. Not saying that we all share his views, but that we see how he uses logic and arguments and slowly adapt his views.
He's a serious man who takes stuff serious and I'm glad that most of us are taking him serious too.

I'll take myself serious from now on, too.

>>126022173
He speaks what he at least believes to be true, with a great deal of prior thought before and much reflection after. Very rare in a person, but made invaluable in our post-modern society.
It makes him an impressive person to listen to, even if you disagree.

>>126021511
it's hardly a blackpill. it reminds me of the story peterson told on his first JRE appearance i believe about that tormented and downtrodden woman who still sought to bring some light to the severely mentally disturbed. unbounded and non-contrived goodness in a person most would find pathetic. it's pretty much the complete opposite of blackpill.

you should give it a read

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Bamp cause this is really good stuff.

Also
>SAVAGE

>>126022526
She's ugly in both pics

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>>126005465
>So who are these shady backroom dealers that are actually pulling the strings then?
Oy vey!

>>126022577
What a waste of two equal numbers. Sad!

>>125994088

Fuck me. Peterson is literally the only thing that could bring me back from the black pill.

It's amazing how well he speaks, with barely any notes, at a governmental debate.

>>125994088
well i can burn an hour on this, thanks op.

>>125994088
Holy Jebus. He fucking savaged them. And the leaders are such dumb schmucks, how the fuck do they get power again? Muh gibs?

>>125994088
thanks leaf, i like listening to court arguments like this. the travel ban appeal one was pretty comfy.

>>126003305

JRE 958 was the best episode I've ever watched. So informative and well thought out. I've watched it (at 1.8x speed) 3 times now and.

>>125994088
the definition of btfo. How did parliament not just die of shame.

Hello I would to enlist in your group pols I like to support our glorious adventure oh and praise kek

>>125998566
not to bring it into (((that))) territory, but I watched this film last night The Believer and the crux of its argument about the Jews is that their entire religion is predicated on authoritarian adherence to the torah and "nothing but nothingness''

funny that it always ends up pointing the same direction

>>126015832
>100% mad

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>>125994088
i just learned about peterson a few days ago. he is truly a saint.

>>126000673
In Canada our Senators are appointed by the PM. Not elected to their position.

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>>126027348
>pm is an open traitor
Well fug

>>126000947
Shut the fuck up you fucking under aged faggot.

>>125994088
How the fuck are these old men so stupid

>>126029384
>It's a genocide
oh fuck, I was screaming in my head at that asshole

>>125994088
>the disguised merkel glowering behind Peterson

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>>126026772
yeah i'm mad that our countries average IQ scores are the same despite your country being the fattest in the west. makes me disappointed in Australia or think that burgers skew their results - there's just no way you can be that obese without being dumb as fuck as well. does stephen hawking bring the rest of you up or something???

>>126024215
What is the point of that? Go listen to maps or meaning or something instead, Joe drags the conversation down.

>>126004674
Exactly. And the thing is, nihilists don't actually act as though they believe any of this. If they really believed in nihilism, and acted it out, they would literally starve to death, because why bother eating? What difference does it make? What does it matter? But does that stop them from eating? No.
And more importantly, what nihilism really does is allow one to be a victim. Nothing is my fault because nothing matters. Therefore I am totally justified in not doing anything to better myself or my life or anyone else's life. All I have to do is play the victim and whine about how oppressed I am, etc. What a complete and utter bunch of bullshit.

>peterson getting mad around 41 minutes
too good

>>126002106
>there may even be depression or suicide as a result
they certainly didn't take that into account in the family courts

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>>126031519
>nihilists
AND THAT'S THE BLOODY THING WITH IDEOLOGIES. YOU KNOW I ALWAYS SAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE IDEAS, IDEAS HAVE PEOPLE. AND THAT'S THE BLOODY IDEA THAT'S WRAPPED ITS HEAD AROUND AN UNDERWATER KOREAN BASKET WEAVING CARTOON MESSAGE BOARD.

IT'S LIKE.

IT'S LIKE YOU DECIDE OK, OK SO LETS SAY YOU TURN IN AN ESSAY OR A TEST AND YOU GET A PRETTY POOR GRADE YOU KNOW, ONE YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE GOING TO GET. NOW YOU'VE ENCOUNTERED AN ANOMALY. YOU'VE LEFT THE TREES AND YOU'RE ON THE VELDT, AND THAT'S THE BLOODY THING. IT'S NOT ON YOUR OWN VOLITION OF COURSE. SO YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OPTIONS YOU CAN BUCKLE DOWN AND TRY HARDER. OR LETS SAY THIS BAD GRADE THROWS YOU SO. FAR. OFF. THE. TRACK. THAT YOU SAY WELL I COULD JUST DROP THIS CLASS. I COULD JUST DROP OUT OF COLLEGE. I COULD DROP OUT OF THE NORMS OF SOCIETY. AND THEN YOU CAN DROP OUT OF LIFE.AND BELIEVE ME. THAT IS NOT A ROUTE YOU WANT TO GO DOWN. YOU CAN EXTRAPOLATE THE CONSEQUENCES OF A BAD GRADE ALL THE WAY TO GENOCIDE. AND THAT'S NO JOKE

fucking frog senator refuses to speak english

>>126001745
saved

What is wrong with compelling people, legally with legal consequences, to say certain things in the workplace, education, organizations?

seems reasonable and civilized.

>>126033014
Good, lets bring back classroom prayers led by the teacher

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>>125996033

>smoking pistol

Achieving levels of sorting no one can ever reach...

>>126033332
I can't just call a coworker anything I want whenever I want just because MUH FREEDOM

There should be laws that you must use someone's preferred pronoun in the workplace, in school, when treating them as a patient, in non-profits.

simple.

>>126033635
sure. it's much better when you have to call him whatever he wants you to call him. 'massa' would be one possible example.

>>126033014
>What is wrong with compelling people, legally with legal consequences, to say certain things in the workplace, education, organizations?
you are probably a troll, but if not, then you are tremenduously stupid. there's one hour's worth of video in the OP explaining exactly what's wrong with it; it's what we are discussing.

>>126034662
so i can call a co-worker nigger or cracker every time I see them and you wouldn't be against this?

>>126034420
well within reason, you can't make someone say something that degrades them. But what is degrading about calling someone Mr. or Mrs. as they prefer?

Did you guys also see last week Gad Saad's testimony on the same bill?

He is pretty based.

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>>126035073
>He is pretty based.
agreed, Gad and JBP have talked on jewtoob and it was 100% awesome

>>126033551

Hahahahaha.
I love this site.

>>126034941
>so i can call a co-worker nigger or cracker every time I see them and you wouldn't be against this?

What if someone wants to be addressed as nigger? Which law would be transgressed at that point?

>>126033551
is he going to be okay?

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>french politicians speaking in french

>>126036130
why are you arguing your point with made up hypotheticals and not answering what I asked?

>>125994088
but what are the chances that they're going to listen to him?

wow... that bitch at 51m actually tried to launch a character attack against peterson. based chair shut her down

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man or woman
PLACE YER BETS

>>126036336
>made up hypotheticals
uses this straw man
>so i can call a co-worker nigger or cracker every time I see them and you wouldn't be against this?

And you expect me to give a fuck about your question? You have your answer. Call me nigger because that's how I want to be addressed or you will be prosecuted. You call me nigger, now I have you prosecuted anyways

fuck off faggot

>>126036543
idk but zhi's angry as fuck

This is a Peterson fucking smackdown. Thanks OP

>>125994088
Fuck the lads went in hard and destroyed them

>>126036543
okay. example. say you work with this person. she's someone's mother and a woman. everyday you come into work and insist on calling her "Mr." and refuse to call her anything else b/c you think she looks like a male. your argument is that Jordan B Peterson told you you could.

Is that what you niggers really think should happen?

>>126036649
what the hell are you going on about now? you think even one autistic troll in canada will insist on being called nigger? Realistically maybe a thousand or two canadians will prefer Mr. or Mrs. even if it isn't clear. I think we should focus on the few thousand people, and not your one stupid example.

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>>126036820
you are literally retarded

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>>126036820

>>126037053
sorry for wanting a civilized country where people can't just call anyone anything they want

>>126037338
Who gets to decide what people are called? Why should it be them and not some other interest group?

>>126033551
>smoking pistol
I don't get it, isnt it just another word for smoking gun? What makes it so much "better"?

>>126031860

10/10

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>>126037338
again, you're literally retarded if you think that's what this is about

>>126037465

No, why shouldn't it be ME.

I fucking decide what I call people.

Peterson's argument about how you can't just demand someone to recognize YOUR identity is spot on. YOUR identity has a lot to do with how everyone else in the world perceives you, you don't just get to choose your own identity and expect the rest of the world to adhere to it. Much less force them.

Does anyone have the video of the tranny testifying against the bill

>>126022753
THEY. NEVER. LIE.

>>126031860

Reading this was like hearing Petersons voice in my head.

>>126038044
you don't decide what you call people. Have you ever worked a job in your life?

>>126037772
of course that is all this is about, some of you need to be civilized

>>126036820
Don't you think that's the exception? Do you really think the rules governing society ought to be made in the margins?

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>>126039242

Yes, I'm at work right now. And if I call my boss a fag, he's gonna fire me, which is his right, but no fucking mounty is gonna come and put me on his moose and take me to jail you fucking leaf retard.

>>126039314
people simply need to be protected from others, and these new laws are doing that. In canada we don't have life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, we have "Peace, order, and good government" and these new laws fit perfectly with that.

>>126039242
>you don't decide what you call people. Have you ever worked a job in your life?

So you admit there are already effective societal controls on rudeness.

case closed, now you can kys

>>126039242
>you don't decide what you call people

This is so retarded I had to give you two (You)'s.

I get to call people whatever the fuck I want, doesn't mean it's without consequence, but if that consequence is someone assaulting me or someone arresting me, that's insane.

>>126039551
what about your boss falling you a fag? or if your boss is black, calls you a cracker

>>126039242
>calling someone by the wrong thing should be punishable by jailtime
no

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>>126039242
>of course that is all this is about, some of you need to be civilized

>>126039836
What if one wants to be called those things?
It's a Catch 22 you fucking retard

>>126039737
there are some controls and there needs to be more.

>>126039983
say you don't want to be called cracker by your jewish boss everyday for the next 5 years, but it's a great job. you really think your boss as the right to do that?

>>126033551
Clean your room

>>126040157
If someone doesn't treat you with respect, simply return the favor. In the real world, respect begets respect.

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>>126040157

Yes, and I have the right to quit.

There is also a difference between my boss calling me a fag, and me saying "You have to call me bleep bloop every time you see me, and if you don't I will sue the fuck out of you and possibly get you put in jail/arrested."

There is a huge difference between banning speech (even though I'm against that too) and FORCING speech from someone.

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FUCK THOSE NIGGERS

If you hate niggers, jews, spics, arabs, faggots, commie scum as much as we do and you want to raid some tranny server once in a while, you should join the official Moon Central Discord! White people only. Introduce yourself in #introductions

https://discord.gg/rDSBTgq

1, 2, 3 ,4 I declare a race war!
Join us and lynch a nigger tonight!

14/88,
The Triple K Mafia

P.S Fuck Niggers

>>126040746
people need to show a modicum of respectability in the workplace. if they refuse to, they should be made to with laws, we can't allow a bunch of savages and autists to say whatever they want. we have to live with these people, the least we can do is to keep them under control

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>>126040746
Word, my nigga bleep bloop knows whats up

>>126040157

Also no one is going to want to work for the guy, so that is the natural consequence of a boss doing that to his employees, then his business will fail, no extra government intervention needed.

>>126036820
let's say you work with that creature and it orders you to call it "delxyao" and you struggle to remember it and slip eventually. now it sues you for harassment and violating its rights. Is that what you think should happen?

>>125994088
Thanks, OP. Peterson is a great leaf.

>>126041035
Cunt don't you have something better to do than pretend to be retarded.

>>126041035

This is most definitely bait, no one is this stupid.

Oh wait, Canada flag.

bump for justice

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>>126041245
>Peterson is the greatest living leaf.
ftfy

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>>126041013
Not joining your honey-pot Rabbi

>>125994088
I fucking hate these committee meetings in any country because they're bullshit. They'll pretend that it's an open forum and they're going to listen to citizen concerns, but its just a facade, and the decision to pass the bill has already been made.

>Yes yes we are here to discuss Bill 6,000,000 and how white males will be jailed on sight for misogyny, racism, sexism, capitalism, and being white.
>I object!
>That's nice. Motion passes, report to the camps goy

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REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>126041533
Will he ever run for office? Imagine a mind like his running Canada.

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>>126041013
haha xd I hate everyone haha lets team up in this voice chat guys cool we're all totally racists deus volt!!!

They all wanna tell their secret. "get out of the water, get out of the water, I have AIDS." The Panus in the Anus is what is killing greg luganus. its a cult and fancies giving SAL USA Segundus the butt clap.

>>126041290
you don't think there is a reason america has become so trashy? because no one stopped it. Canada does not deserve the same fate.

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>>126033014

>>126041893
There are better people for that.
A great leader doesnt need the understanding behind being a gread leader, if he's a great leader by instinct its better because then he can concentrate on the actual problems.

Like, a coach and an actual player in sports for example.

Can someone explain what the gay conversion argument is? Or give a timestamp? I don't have an hour.

>>126033014
>You MUST praise Allah or you will go to prison

Same idea

>>126019714
Dam man why u gotta do that im at work

>>126042580
Last 10 minutes or something.

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>>126041617
switzerland is posting this in other threads too

>>126040157
you cant criminalize mean speech you fucking retard, now get offended as much as you want, yes its rude and inappropriate, but its not a crime

the moment state criminalizes it the state becomes totalitarian regime

>>126041893
He said he thought about it but made the decision a long time ago that he wanted to operate on the cultural/philosophical level (where he would be most useful)

BUT I think he is a Cincinnatus type who would go into office if enough people called for it and we really needed him - this is he best type of person to have in government

>>126042641
It all stems from the idea in Canadian law that Jews must never be criticized or that will lead to genocide.
That's why the first retard Senator brought up genocide.

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>>126036820

I might *choose* to call her whatever she wanted, but to be *compelled* to do so by the state is abhorrent.

Legislation cannot create respect, it's earned.

>>126043659
These unelected and overpaid fucktards are intellectual shit stains next to Peterson. The Senate and most of Parliament ought to be liquidated

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>>125994088
>>125995219
Thanks for making this thread.

>>126043659
Which of course means the Jews run the country. The idea that you CANNOT criticize a very specific wealthy powerful group of people because of something that might have happened nearly a century ago is a fucking abomination and anti-democratic in the extreme.

>>126042824
Thanks, that was great. As a gay man, Peterson aptly points out my own fears towards all this identity relativism of late.

>>126044015
omar comin yo ayo omar

>>126041035
>we need to monitor all speech and keep records of everything everyone says in order to be able to enforce free speech laws
>in order to monitor all speech, we need to create a total surveillance infrastructure that also monitors people's locations and financial transactions (to make sure they're not donating to organizations engaged in unlawful speech)
>as automation accelerates, the unemployed uneducated masses will demand total communism, and all those opposing it will be identified from records of their speech and purged as class enemies

There, I spelled it out for you.

>>126016211
Peterson touched on the 'why' during the latest joe rogan podcast. Marxists comprise of intellectual men that struggle to compete in the dominant cultural system, western civilisation, which over time awards the most truthful and hard working, responsible individuals. So instead of changing themselves they try to change the world.

They're cucks.

>>126043835
>The Senate and most of Parliament ought to be liquidated
The real power are referred to as the Laurentian Elite
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/darrell-bricker-and-john-ibbitson-saying-goodbye-to-the-canada-we-once-knew

So pastors can't preach against homosexuals dressing up as women? What about freedom of religion?

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>>126042580
Peterson is saying: if people are claiming, as their most tightly held stance, that they are BORN a certain way (i.e. their gender and expression are rooted in biology), then they can't ALSO say that gender and expression are "social constructs" which can be mutable at whim. If they ARE social constructs, then why would there be a problem with the notion of gay conversion therapy?

He is pointing out that their set of presuppositions are fundamentally logically incompatible.

If gender is fluid
and just a social construct
and it can be changed at will and whim
why can't people change their expression to match their biology?
(trying to change biology has a 100% fail rate)

furthermore, why should 99.7% of people, whose biology and expression ARE coherent, be expected to walk on eggshells for fear of public and career ruination, even to the extent of criminal punishment, for failing to understand and navigate someone's set of internally incoherent and mutually inconsistent beliefs?

His meta remark is that this is the thin edge of a wedge that is being driven into our society by those who would seek to exploit the confusion of the marginalized in their own poisonous, ideologically driven grab for power

>>126044303
Okay, interesting conclusion, but I'm at this point in my life a lazy pudgy virgin who is slacking, living in my own filth, wasting my own potential, have never had success with women or money or anything outside of my chosen hobbies.

Why aren't I one of these cunts? I would never want to influence what others say or think. I have pride in my race and nation, despite my personal failings.

>>126044824
>Why aren't I one of these cunts? I would never want to influence what others say or think.
Peterson tries to answer that with his "Maps of Meaning". Why do people belive stuff and how can someone do something evil.

>>126034941
>What's degrading about forcing somebody to pretend to think that a man who puts on a wig, a dress (and may or may not have had his genitals mutilated) is a woman?
Just die.

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>>126044597
Capped for future use. Thanks anon.

>>126044597
>furthermore, why should 99.7% of people, whose biology and expression ARE coherent, be expected to walk on eggshells for fear of public and career ruination, even to the extent of criminal punishment, for failing to understand and navigate someone's set of internally incoherent and mutually inconsistent beliefs?

this is by and large my biggest gripe with all of this special snowflake bullshit. The people who are capable of quietly living like functional members of society are the ones who need to make a bunch of changes to ensure the new batch of olympic-level mental gymnasts don't feel marginalized for being insane.

>>126037047
>you think even one autistic troll in canada will insist on being called nigger?
If your position is everybody is good so nobody would ever abuse laws that are trivially easy to abuse, then there is no need for laws in the first place. Your position is logically incoherent.

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>>126045320
this quote illustrates it nicely

There's no way I'm learning 10 new pronouns.

If you refuse to be called he or she I'm going to call you "it"

>>126045697
just ask them if they're XX or XY and assign a 'he' or 'she' to them based on that.

If they answer anything other than XX or XY they are referred to as "mutant"

>>126044303
>>126044824
he didn't say that. he said that MALE FEMINISTS struggle in the prevailing dominance hierarchy, so they become SJW feminist "allies" in order to get close to women.

his stance on marxism is roughly that it's a consequence of modernity blowing out the metaphysical foundation of our culture which lead to materialist utopianism (which inevitably ends up causing a great deal of suffering).

>>126039836
Then no one would want to work for that person if they treat you that way. You would probably do a shit job, etc...

Jesus christ you are actually so fucking retarded. You need to sort yourself out and get your throughts straight and stop appealing to empathy. Appealing to empathy is not how you run a society.

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>>126041035

> we can't allow a bunch of savages and autists to say whatever they want

That "we" really being you, and of course you will hold the power and able to decide who qualifies as a savage and autist.

Remember when we thought tumblr would just stay online and never affect the real world, back in the 2000s? Now it's almost 2020 and they're making their way into international law.

Language matters: Suspending Kevin Pillar for apparent homophobic slur should be no-brainer for Toronto Blue Jays
http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/mlb/language-matters-suspending-kevin-pillar-for-apparent-homophobic-slur-should-be-no-brainer-for-toronto-blue-jays

>If he said what it looks like he said, this is an absolute liability offence

SENATE SORTED OUT.

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so this guy was defending the bill in the video,another neurotic jew of course.Why is /pol/ always right?

(((gold)))

(((Marc Gold)))

>>125997458
>What is xir's endgame, /pol/?
Crashing the country with no survivors

>>125996033
it's such a shame hitchens passed away so early, i'd love to see a debate between these too, it would be absolutely epic

>>126037638

You don't understand... Jordan is so completely and utterly sorted out that he's now moved on to sorting out phrases and making them more specific.

Here's the exact same video uploaded to his channel. Must have just taken a bit longer on his end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIAAkSNtqo

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>>126044055
>>126047044
checked

there is no getting around the observation that one particular group - who self-identify, by the way - appears to be highly... shall we say... invested in the progression of identity politics.

I'm not sure if anyone can reasonably make the claim that this is entirely defensive

>>126046720
>Suspending Kevin Pillar for apparent homophobic slur should be no-brainer for Toronto Blue Jays
Fuck-off faggot

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the overwhelming majority of trannies want to be known as either a male or a female, not something inbetween

>>125994088
Kek. Watching this over tea, my (non-political) wife half listening - she comes out with "jesus Christ, we need to shoot them all"

>>126031860

Bucko-posting is a great new meme.

At the end Peterson just destroyed the idea that gender is contextual and changeable.

If it is then homotherapy(whatever it is called that tries to change people who are homosexual into hetersexual) should work. But it doesn't. People are saying it should be illegal; and the best argument people have for acceptance of their gender identity is that they are 'born that way'.

Sexual identity is tied to biology.

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>>126048065
Not gonna lie, former Jordan Peterson supporter here. It's hilarious watching him crash and burn like this. But in all seriousness, we can't let this guy get the codes to the collective unconscious.

>>126047573
yes ok, and in which way is pistol more specific than gun? I mean, why not say smoking rifle?

the sjws really fucked with the wrong guy

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remember anon
perspective is everything
muster your arguments and master your logos

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>>126048318
But what about Sam Harris and his emails?!

At least we have Jordan Peterson and not the criminal who bombed Benghazi and killed Seth.

>>125994088
>4:04

Dr. Peterson ALMOST says "bullshit" in a Senate hearing. You can tell he's just seething about this. Ahhh, this is gonna be a good video.

47 mins in, hes talking about how things backfire once you start to change something

the tranny on the back that wears black seems to be sobbing perhaps crying, seems like its putting into perspective how the transition from male to female didnt workout as intended

this is so good

>>126048306
they are mentally ill
you can treat the symptoms, but there is no cure

>>126047928
We're literally making a bill that applies to maybe a few thousand people in Canada. Fuck man on those grounds any small group should be warrented a law forcing others to recognize them. Shit is so damn retarded I can't believe my tax dollars are anywhere near this.

The Trudeau government is just operating on a feels basis. Which is not how you run a god damn society. Anyone can make a fucking sob-story. Life sucks, and you have to learn to deal with it. Making it law to recognize these people won't stop them from killing themselves. Jesus if anything people are going to resent them more because now you're forced to call them by their pronouns that are shoved down your throat by the government.

I'd be mad as hell. We're creating a feels society that will not survive. If we continue down this path we'll be treated like fucking children by the government where the 'punishment' for calling someone an asshole will be jail time. I swear to god the Liberal government is the dumbest thing ever. He needs to realize that he is screwing up social policy and this will lead to extreme consequences.

I just want him to fix his shit and just kill himself. And let someone more compentent to lead.

>>126047543
the superior hitchens still lives

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>>126048616
this picture is the perfect fucking explanation of what Jews strive for. Not the natural to be left alone, but to tear everything down to nothing completely.

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>>126031860
lol, i actually downloaded pinocchio and am going to watch it tonight, just so i can better appreciate jbp's lectures

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>>126048788
>Making it law to recognize these people won't stop them from killing themselves
checked
and as i understand it the vast majority of trannies just want to live as a man or as a woman and be left the fuck alone. they want no part of this gov't BS.
real trannies (actual gender dysphoria) don't want anything to do with identity politics, and rightly so. what is being done in their community's name is reprehensible.

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>>126049176
well done friend; it's a literal masterpiece of a movie.

>>126048740
It's really the saddest part in all of this. The people who made the transition banked EVERYTHING - their body, their health, their identities - on this eventually being shoved down everyone's throats. Now that people are resisting, it's really tragic that they must realize there is no turning back. They're left to try to convert children out of a twisted buyer's remorse.

>>126048473

Claus, if you had sorted yourself out, you would be able to think this over clearly

A gun can mean anything from a cannon on a ship to a fucking glue-gun for arts and crafts.

A pistol is the most common form of firearms that people use to commit crimes.... rifles are more for hunting and killing wild niggers...

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>>126048306
And it may indeed emerge that - as a possible example - conditions in the womb such as higher levels of cortisol due to the mother being stressed out at certain crucial stages of the development of the fetus - could lead to an epigenetic modulation that imprints the future endocrine expression, or the neurological firmware pathways, or some other biologically emergent factor, of the child.

Or perhaps in early childhood environment, in the developmental stages, if a child does not have a same sex parent to map their identity on to, that's another way things can go sideways

Peterson is quite certain that it's all sorted out by age four.

If this does come out, society might have to start acknowledging the utility of stable, traditional families and communities

Peterson playing 42D chess

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>>126049561
>The people
YOU FUCKING BIGOT
I'M NOT A FUCKING HUMAN
ADDRESS ME AS WORMSELF OR I CALL THE RC

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>>126049787
I knew he was a nazi all along.

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>>126049787
>If this does come out, society might have to start acknowledging the utility of stable, traditional families and communities
it's insane that such a statement even needs to be acknowledged. i mean, it seems so self-evident.
what a culture we've inherited from our father's, eh

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>>126050139
it goes deeper than that m8
he imagines himself as a nazi and forces his students to do so as well

>>126030411
>stephen hawking
Is a brit you knobrash. Aussie crap IQ confirmed

>>126044597
GOOD LEAF POST

>>126049787
there's some speculation that (male) homosexuality is the side-effect of a childhood infection by an as of yet unidentified virus. epidemologically it makes sense. I'd seriously consider the possibility that gender disphoria is just another manifestation of the same or a related kind of infection.

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>>126050357
>tfw reading Gulag Archipelago to discredit Marxism and Communism in order to promote Christian values

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>>126049561
How about the confused little boy that somehow (somehow) gets the idea in their head (from all the virtue signalling adults and TV campaigns) that they want to be a girl (because they can already tell what a raw deal it is to be a man in the 21st century), and demands hormone blockers, and GETS THEM, and then proceeds to grow a micropenis, and then wants to attempt fullscale surgical conversion, but the doctor tells them they don't have enough tissue to turn inside out and make a fake vag with?

How are "THEY" going to feel?

I wonder if JBP ever reads these threads...

I have my youtube volume internal volume and speaker volume maxed out and in can't hear shit.

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>>125996033
If you want more in depth views of him, listen to him on Joe rogan's podcast. He's on it twice.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE

>>126051005
tweet it to him
he is fascinated by Kekistanis

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>>126051225
sage in the options field

>>126049176
>yiffy

Day of the rope.

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>>126050654
>try to read gulag archipelago
>like 3000 pages
>get bored 500 pages in and give up