Perfect countries do not exis...

chetiri moreta

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I fixed your map. Unless your rests on the condition that no Albanian population exists in those borders.

>>123527000
>Mfw these are all third world countries with Muslims in them
How is Bulgaria perfect, again? Far as I know, every road has insane amounts of potholes in it, it's ex-communist and people are so damn poor that nobody has a car and they have to walk everywhere.

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fuck turkgaria

>>123527000
That country doesn't exist you dingus

>>123527273
You removed northern greece as well, which is historic south slav clay.

>>123527000
>>123527222
Kek DEFINITELY wills it

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>>123527358
Piss off Crypto-Greek/Alboo Southerner shit,we spent the whole Medieval ages fighting those subhumans.

>>123527317
Cheap ass bait burger

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>>123527000
That is very true

>>123527000
#bringvladback

>>123527603
Cheap ass country, communist.

Protip: the city I live in has more people and more money than all of Bulgaria.

>>123527554
soon

http://archaeologyinbulgaria.com/2015/12/07/archaeologist-discovers-8000-year-old-nephrite-frog-like-swastika-in-slatina-neolithic-settlement-in-bulgarias-capital-sofia/

>>123527597
back to bosilegrad with you my turkish foe

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>>123527597
No you guys didn't! Fucking check the Ortodox population before and during the Turks and see how your fucking nobles sucked off the Ottomans to let their churches to have the remains of the Croat nation.

Why would you want Russia 2.0?

>>123527953
What the fuck is Bosilegrad kek?

>>123528033
???????????????????????????????????

The one who has sent us to Croatia was the Austrian archduke Leopold,not the Ottomans retard.
>Your nobility

Most of our nobility was magarized.

>>123527944
>44

praise him

>>123527932
Great, now piss off.

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>>123528071
>doesn't even know his own country

pathetic

>>123528033
Also i have no idea what fighting Ottomans has to to with fighting Greeks,kek.

>>123527000
>Perfect countries do not exis..
>nice trips
until they get the shit bombed out of them

Remove Albos, even Tito didn't like them

>>123528446
>Population 2600
>Southern shithole

Well excuse me.

>>123527597
Calm down Ahmed.

>>123528641
thats where your bulgarian brothers live, now go suck their cock

nigga

>>123528267
I was referring to the ones in Bosnia, not Croatia. The ones in Croatia were the few actual Serbs in the world that aren't Croatian or Vlach.

>>123528821
We spent the entire Medieval ages fighting Bulgarians too negro,go shill for Greeks more faggot.

I know an Albanian and he is white (orthodox). Is he to be hated?

>>123528927
Kek.
South-Eastern Bosnia was always Serbian majority,in fact it is one of the lands Serbs first inhabited with Monte Negro.Norther-Eastern Bosnia was also a part of the frontier.


Perhaps you are confusing Medieval Bosnian territories with Today's Bosnia?

>>123527000
>>123527222

4 moreta 2 okeana when ?

>>123527000
exist

>>123527554
Will yugoslavia be the new home of the Kek people

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>>123527222

Ah, yes Greater Albania

>>123529564
Hello shiptar, what is your honest opinion on recent developments in macedonia?

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>>123529564
Ah yes,Greater Albania collapsed way to soon,time for another one kek?

>>123529746
I got no idea whats happening desu im just shitposting
i dont really follow politics
all i do is play vidya watch anime and masturbate all day like the rest of u

>>123527000

I for one, welcome our Bulgarian conquestors

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>>123529746
I doubt he can think at all with his head like this :>

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>>123528971

>greedily take clay that is not yours
>insult people who end up in your country
>collapse amidst internal struggle and collapse

it's like you fucks never learn, do you ?

People laugh at Albos but those niggers will soon get Great Alboland and will fuck us all

>sips chamomile tea and watches the Ionian sea while Balkanshits fight each other

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R8 me balkan pol

>>123530137
Kekked;

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>>123530021
They will get it alright. The question is how much time are they going to hold it like this?

>>123527508
How retarded do you have to be to claim land that has been Greek for 4000 years is "historic slav clay"?

>>123530186
Your girl looks like a turk rape baby desu

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>>123530186
rapebaby/10

>>123530186
would fuck you
your brother can watch

>>123529919
Good, now I see albos are honest civilized people like the rest of us on /pol. Greater albania when?
>>123530021
I know right.
>>123529924
How many albanians are there in macedonia?

>>123529935
Like when?
When Bulgaria declared war on Serbia in 800's for no reason?
When Simeon and Samuil declared war on Serbia?
When Bulgaria declared war together with Byzantine on Serbia in 1300's?

Please tell us about this war on Bulgaria for expansion done by the ebil Serbs.

>>123530293
we got our ancient lands back from the clutches of the Albanian, the Slav, the Turk :')

>>123530474
>bulgar posts pic with 1 single serbian autistic king backstabbing them

> ignores complete history of bulgarian bacstabbings

bulgars gonna bulgar

>>123527000
fuck slavic untermensch

>>123530293
The coast was indeed majority Greeks. Once you started going up north Greeks were becoming less in number the further you moved.

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>>123530318
You do realize Bulgars and Bulgarians are nt the same? Are Hungarians Huns for you? Dumb fuck

>>123530835
so all those bulgar empires aren't related to modern day bulgaria then ? :^)

>be Bulgaria
>claim Albania
>become Greater Albania
There's a reason why Bulgaria is always on the losing side

>>123531387
how's Canada treating you, albozerg?

>>123531387
????????
And when did this happen kek?

>>123531482
I'm just look at OP map.
Who the fuck wants the Albanian containment zone?

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>>123531259
Im gonna cut it short as you are a butthurt child and im not intending on wasting time on you. Nowadays Bulgarians are a mix of Bulgars, Slavs, Greeks, Thracians and Turks. This is basically the mix of ANY Balkan nation, your shithole included.

>>123531259
Just give back our alphabet

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>>123530835
>>123531259
Are Romans still Roman?

>>123531744
Did turks leave legacy behind?

>>123531744
remove Turks and you're right

>>123531744
We don't have Thracians here,we have Vl*chs and Gre*ks.

>>123531744
if you don't have any real argument after accidentally BTFOing yourself then you can go back to >>>/int/

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>>123527597
fuck of kike

>>123532151
>Muh kikes

>>123532122
local Serbian peasant girls LOVED Greek and Vlach merchant men

>>123532143
original bulgars were not slavs just like original russians serbs croats carnioleans bohemians were not slavs.

>>123532299
Nah most of South Serbs moved to Hungary,then the Vl*chs came down from their mountains.

Gre*ks came because Dusan gave them human rights.Big mistake.

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>>123532122
Well yeah, vlachs as well. Remove Thracians and adapt it to something more region specific for you.

>>123532143
I recognise your autistic ass in every thread I see, always the same shit with you desu

>>123529921
Go back to bulgaria ivan

>>123532571
reminder that Dushan had to add AND THE ROMANS/GREEKS to feel good about his EMPIRELET

All the bosnians and albanians came to my city in US they're awful

>>123527000
western snob detected

whats so perfect about them? i live in croatia and its perfect shithole corrupted in a manner of latin america

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>>123532571
Stop bullying Greeks!

>>123527222
Dai malko i ot mamaligarite za dobrudja i sme med

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>>123532571
S-stop bullying g-greesu-chan o-OKAY?

>>123532929
Well yeah,Dusan was a self hating half Bulgar who almost made us speak Greek with his autism,basically restoring Greece with a Serbian minority.

But you know who poisoned lil Dusan?

Yeah,dumbass Gre*ks.

Not one of your brightest moves.

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>>123532571
oven dodgers are on the loose today, i see

>>123527000
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>>123532697
Hello bulgarians, please send me pics of hot bulgarian chicks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xaFspjIpkk

>>123533011
>>123533364
I think you just found your Great grand-cousin Southerner.Do try to get along now,as you have the same ancestor kek.

>>123533858
IMO Turkey and balkans are a genetic mess. It's kinda pointless since most of us are mixed somewhere through the changing ownership of lands.

>>123533796
That is funny,because if you actually weren't stuck in a Croatian concentration camp,you would know that we threw Jews under ice here instead of making BBQ.

>>123533399
t. pig farmer from Sumadija who migrated to Vojvodina two weeks ago :3

>>123534092
Most of the farming is done in Vojvodina despite the memes you may hear,Gr*ek.

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>>123534092
he's a kikeshill
ignore him

>>123527000
t.

>>123534203
The reason being Southerners can't even aford Tractors and use Oxes,and Albani*ns don't even have that so they literally send mail order brides to get Oxes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1cmHDSPjBM

Yes,this is real.

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>>123534312
>he doesnt support my lunatic opinion so he must be a jew/turk/shill

>>123527358
kek that Croatia/Bosnia chunk

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>>123533858
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>>123534203
Go away merchant we aren't buying!

>>123534275
come on, send me the hottest bulgarian friend you have on kikebook.

>>123534580
I know the South is poor,you don't have to tell me.

>>123527597
E1b1b is literally the original Thracian haplogorup. The ones from North Africa and Asia are different subclades.

Slavs should unite under one country and put in place a mandatory 3 child policy and become the worlds fourth largest power after USA, China, and India.

>>123534871
Bahahaha, no. The 3 child policy will be funded by what?

>>123534312
he's a Serb from Vojvodina

>>123534203
the traditional stereotype about PIG FARMING, not farming in general, is about Sumadija. where is the industry most concentrated today though?

#UnitedBalkanStates

Make it happen! We'll remove kebab in WW3 together.

Albanians and Bosnians should be put on ships to Turkey.

>>123534993
The macedonian taxpayer

>>123534768
Nah,Tharcians where described with Blonde and Red hair.E1b has dark Hair.

The Tharcian group is R1b,which is why it goes up to 20% in Bulgaria and and Albania,but only 5% in Serbia,as Serbian teritories where never in Thracia.

That and we also cleansed GERMans and R1b also has Germanic groups kek.

>>123535111
>Macedonia
>Taxes
Pick one please. If we actually do that the entire one country would collapse just one month after the unification.

>>123535015
Belgrade of course.

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one big gypsyland, should be nuked and women taken as slaves. for the reich!

>>123534993
If you don't have three by a certain age your taxes would rise to 50%. Affordable housing would be expanded. Taxes would be lowered to 5% for those who do. Progressive tax for millionaires/billionaires would be put in place.

>>123535291
lol outside the obvious one I mean

>>123535206
R1b seems to have an inverse relation with R1a/I2a in the Balkans which seem associated with the Slavs. so my guess is that the areas most affected in the patriline by Slavic migrations decreased the R1b (though some R1b in the Balkans is clearly Western European too). those happen to be in the more Eastern parts of the Balkans and Albanians/Greeks

>>123535424
t. Alban Shakiri

>>123532521
what were bohemians and serbs originally?

>>123535506
Harmful thing like tobacco would be banned. Taxes would rise on junk food and Alcohol. This would save many billions of dollars in health costs.

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>>123535732
Ayy lmaos ofc.

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>>123534605
I looked though instagram for people posting from Bulgaria and scrolled to find this chick. She's dark but still looks pretty good

>>123527603
The burger is right though.

>>123535572
I2a is from Ukraine,at least the branch in Serbia.

Many times people forget that branches exist,and the go "AHAHA,I2a is Proto-European so they must be Balkanite hehe,What?You think Sardinians are South Slavs EKS DEEEEEEEE i am so smart".

Meanwhile in reality Serbs are I2a Din-s L-621 while Sardinians are I2a M26.

So yeah,I2a and R1a are related because they are fucking Sklavs who ruined Balkanar kek.

>>123535732
>bohemians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boii
>serbs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serboi

When will people realize that Slavism is a culture and not a blood/genetic line ? People from the Balkans have different mixed genetic backgrounds because a shit load of people were moving around those areas, from Romans to Turks. So it would be dumb to focus on genetics because there aren't any genetically pure people in Europe, so we rather focus on ethnicity.

>>123536282
then we agree. Ithough I'm still a bit agnostic on those issues since estimated dates and places of origins based on modern data are still imperfect

>>123536158
vaj blek her? vaj not blond her

>>123536663
cuz ja wasn't able to find one that's attractive. Bulgarian blonds girls look like they have Down syndrome

>>123536436
Mhm,but they can be easily split into immigrant bloodlines I2a,I1,R1a,R1b,N(actually Serb) which make 74% of the population and Old-lander E1b,J2,J1,G,T(Non Serb,needs to be removed) which make 24% of the population.

>>123536878
https://www.google.si/search?q=bulgarian+women&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjI4qKvnc3TAhXnIpoKHaUCAEAQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=671#imgrc=wbRkhGUDUIiRuM:

This one lookes fine

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CARINTHIA MASTERRACE

>>123536297
>Serboi were Iranian or Proto-slavic
i have a right to say we wuz farsi n shit

literally would be the shittiest country in europe lol

>>123537151
correct.
>>123537169
ČAKA KOROTAN ČAKA ŠTAJERSKA ČAKA SINJE JADRANSKO MORJE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl13XlMcKPk

>>123537088
how are say I1 and R1b "actually Serb" as opposed to the rest? either the "Serbs" became Serbs in situ so all of those are "Serb" or they already came formed and only I2, R1a and maybe some N are "Serb"

>>123537268
indeed. All slavs do. We wuz aryans who brought sanskrit into india n shiet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptDVaVlw9m4

>>123537088
yes both of our states need to cleansed to an extent(t*rks, vl*hs, g*psy etc.)

>>123527273
That nation would be perfect for being a second wall against Islam if Greece couldn't hold the line

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>>123537136
I can find good Bulgarians ones on google images like this one but I like to go on instagram to see what actual every day chicks look like

>>123537581
the "Aryan" tribe that conquered ancient India and Persia had cavalry and iron weapons, while Slavs 2000 years later didn't have either, rather were led by nomad tribe cavalry like Bulgar, Hun, Alan and Avar

>>123537389
ZDAJ V ROKE PUŠKE

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>>123534092
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>>123537423
R1b maybe not,I1 most definitely came with Serbs.

You can see all Serbs have a I1 spike compared with their South Slavic Neighbors.
Croatia 5.5
Bulgaria4.5
Bosnia.:4.5

Meanwhile Serbia has 8 and Bosnian Serbs(Who are literally 18% E1b and 11% J2( have 7.5

I believe this is because Sorbs are West Slavs.As we can also see that East Slavs also lack I1(And they where literally rueld by a Scandinavian Dynasty)
Belarus:5.5 I1
Russia:5 I1
Ukraine:4.5 I1

Meanwhile West Slavs have an I1 spike the same way Serbs have.
Czech:11% I1
Poland:8.5% I1
Slovakia:6.5% I1
Slovenia:9% I1

Therefor it can be seen that larger I1 amounts are exclusive to Western Slavs,and a popular theory is that Serbs are Sorbs(Western Slavs)

Btw the Serbian DNA website,which rather then using Sample groups combines all the payed DNA tests from Serbia,Bosnia and MonteNegro has Serbs at 9 I1.

This of course is just a theory.

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>>123537868
pic related is what I got.

>>123538501
*molests ur gf*

>>123538227
the proto-Indo-Iranians didn't have iron weapons or cavalry but they had horses. those two are later innovations

>>123538227
come on, let me wewuz some more

>>123538697
those are still small differences, 5 vs 8...I have no clue what the I1 subclades are but for all I know they are the result of pre-Slavic Germanic movements to the Balkans

>>123538697
those haplogroups show very little, 'cuz the mutations happened thousands of years ago, not recently enough to make some bold claims

>>123538893
buh we wuzn't

>>123539068
They are small,but you can see a clear difference,no?And it has nothing to do with North/South migrations as Croatia,Slovakia,Ukraine,Russia all have less even they are far North.

>>123531833

Balkan cuisine is influenced by the ottomans. However we are level 30 butthurt and everyone has its own version of said dishes. Banitza/burek, moussaka, etc etc etc

>>123539155
It does not matter,as the Serbs brought it with them 1400 years ago,unlike E1b and J2.

>>123539592
so who are croats then?

>>123530186
looks like every other person
0/10

>>123539592
yeah but 5 vs 8 is a bit meaningless. chance gives you that difference. and unless you find some more specific info via subclades, who knows who brought them there

maybe Goths lel

>>123539866
can people through exercise of both mind and body mutate a new haplogroup?

>>123527273
we wuz greeks n shiet

Croatian, Serbian, Slovenian women >>> Romanian/Bulgarian women

They are more pure. Less turkish rape babies.

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>>123538728
you have to go to the location search not hash tag. You can put the entirely of Bulgaria (which moves quickly) or specific cities.

>>123540054
they're us who converted hundreds of years ago to be Catholics. Same as Bosnians converted to be Muslim.

>>123540638
yes, but I wanted to point out the fact that the first picture when you type in #Bulgaria was a nigress with niglets. ew.

>>123540836
That is why I can never respect Bosnians or Albanians. Fucking traitors.

>>123540895
I actually saw a nigger today for the first time in a long time. He was with a nigger girl , maybe they're just passing through on their way to sweden

>>123540109
That is what i would think,but the fact that Both Bosnian Serbs and Serbs have a higher amount,while Croats and Bulgars and Macedonians all don't is just a coincidence.

The fact that 4-5% is the range of BOTH of South Slavs is also a coincidence.

The fact that average I1 for West Slavs is 8.5 is also a coincidence.

Let's not forget the other 2 theories of origin of Serbs.
1.Serbs are from Iran because there is a tribe with a similar name(LOOOOOOOOOOOOL)
2.Serbs are Illyrians with Superhuman Slavic nobility who fucked Illiryans and Byzantine together even though they where less in number and made all the Illyrians speak Slavic(Usually done by retards who think I2a Din-S is native to Balkans)

Also the theory of Serbs being Sorbs was actually done by a Kraut rather then a some We wuz Serbs.He claims that the Unknown Archon was a soon of a Sorbian knez.


Either way the main point was that I1 came with Serbs,while e1b and J2 are Vlachs,Greeks and all other kinds of Balkanites.

Goths are probably Danubian Germans who we cleansed after WW2.

Not to mention that if it was the Kraut populations then Bosnians Serbs would have the same amount that Croats and Bosnians do.

>>123541050
>maybe they're just passing through on their way to sweden
kek. I hope so.

>>123527000
This can only work under Bulgarian rule with Bulgarian as the national language. To imply anything else is absurd and traitorous

>>123540302
Mutations is completely based on chance.Most I1 Serbs have the Scandinavian Branch of I1 so it is not some random mutation.

>>123540836
Wrong.
The term Croats existed before Christianity split therefore your theory is impossible.

The most popular Non we wuz Germanic theory on Croats is that they are a Slavic tribe that was allied with Avars across Danube.

Their name deriving from the word Rvati meaning to Restle.

Bosnians are Medieval Bosnians who converted because their Heretical religion goes well with Islam.This is why Muslim part of Bosnia are in the Bosnian?Croatian part of the country while RS remains the same size.

This is also why those Bosnians don't exist anymore while Croats and Serbs still exist in Bosnia.

Converted Serbs are in Sanjdak

>>123541465
what about Gothic miner that came to Serbia in middle ages and assimilated

>>123541339
>while e1b and J2 are Vlachs,Greeks and all other kinds of Balkanites

right, those two are found in significant amounts in Serbs and are part of the native Balkan population the Slavs assimilated to end up forming the Serbs as we know them

>The fact that average I1 for West Slavs is 8.5 is also a coincidence

well, at those percentages, it's hard to make theories like that. but West Slavs being like that (or even higher) might speak to shared "Germanic" ancestry in both the Balkans and the West Slavic area that's ultimately unrelated except for the trek some East Germanic tribes took from Poland to the Balkans

>>123541933
Those are not Gothic but Saxons,and as Thracia never in Serbia probably the R1b carriers.

Also don't forget that all of the mines where in Kosovo so thefore they do not have a lot of influence in today's Serbia,and that they where also COLONIES meaning that they where isolated from Serb villages.

Also did i mention that Sorbs shared a border with these same Saxons?

Just another coincidence that the Serbs where the only people who had the idea to call them to mine Kosovo even though hit was also owned by Byzantines and Bulgaria for quite a long time.

>>123542357
>probably the R1b carriers

at least some (most?) of the R1b in Serbs seems Balkan-specific based on subclades, from what I remember

>>123541928
croats were known as Horvati, horva in old church slavonic means hill, therefore hillbilies (no offence), similary Poles fildlanders
the bogumili cult was monastic christian, not similar at all to islamic practices, so this "gladful conversion" is not so exact

>>123542078
Hence why i said that the explanation for this is that we are Sorbs(who are Western Slavs and also share this Germanic ancestry).

As there are no Scandinavian immigration to the Balkans,aside from the Varangian Guard,which where in Greece only.Greece today has 3.5% I1,so they are not the reason.

>>123542671
Yeah,either way they are not Catholic Serbs.

>>123542747
>Hence why i said that the explanation for this is that we are Sorbs(who are Western Slavs and also share this Germanic ancestry).
we don't even remotely look like them

attempt to organise the prison of folks №1488

>>123542357
those Saxons were running from mongols, while no mongol reached Lusatia

>>123542855
Obviously Anon,as they where raped by Poles and Germans for 1400 years,while we mixed with Balkanites for 1400 years.

You can be a 99% nigger and still carry White Y-DNA.

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>>123527000

First - nice trips.

Second - why would you want fucking Serbians and Albanians constantly chimping out? We just need to roll over Macedonia, leave some part to the Albanians and the capital to the Serbians.

>>123541928
>Bosnians are Medieval Bosnians
so what were/are they, serbs or croats?

>>123543053
The Saxons where invited by Uros,Mongols broke into Serbia during Milutin.

>>123543104
Croats who did not want to get ruled over by Magyars.

>>123543214
This also the reason while the plebs where followers of the Bosnians church,the Bosnian nobility was Catholic.

>>123543104
Serbs with a weird cult

>>123543214
how did you separate croats from serbs before then came to the balkans?

>>123543481
*they

If it's so perfect please stay there and stop invading Italy

>>123543481
What?Medieval Bosnia never had Eastern Bosnia as a part of their lands until it took it when Serbia was collapsing in 1300's if that is what you are asking.

Which is why Eastern Bosnia is inhabited by mostly Serbs.Northern parts of Bsonia being inhabited by Serbs are parts of the Millitary frontier.

But the same military frontier had a lot of Vlachs which is also why Bosnian Serbs have such a higher percent of E1b and J2,but also an higher of R1a then mainland Serbs.

>>123542747
wouldn't it make sense that a north to south movement would overall have less presence in the south than the north on average even if you have areas where that doesn't hold true?

I mean sure, anything is possible especially without taking subclades into account but building specific theories based on small differences seems misguided. either way, maybe what you're saying is true, who knows

I2a2 seems somewhat higher in Greece than Serbia overall, for example. what specific theories can you make up for that exactly?

>>123543856
This is also where the Croatian theories about all Millitary frontier Serbs being just Vlachs come from

>>123543856
East and central Bosnia was inhabited by muslims(origin disputed), west by catholics, rest by Serbs

>>123543971
What?If you are asking where I1 is concentrated,then there is no such place it is spread all across the country.

Obviously I2a is all across Serbia,but the highest concentration is in Western Serbia.

>>123544287
what about montenegro?

>>123544168
Which is what i said.

But the Muslims are most certainly Medieval Bosnians.The only reason why Serbs try to claim them is because the last Bosnian King wanted to fuse Serbia with Bosnia as bastion against Turks so he licked our asses.he even gave up on the idea in the end.Every other Bosnian king did not give a fucka bout Serbia,but that one letter where he writes in both Cyrillic and Latin is enough reason for Serbs to WE WUZ.

>>123527000
>European countries most people forget even exist

Ftfy

Hi, I realised this thread was missing my flag

>>123527358
Looks like once more someone needs to get their tractors ready

>>123544287
and what about south serbia? i know east serbia is closest to bulgarians

>>123544599
it is 'cuz Serbs were dominant even though stateless, they migrated north and west to Bosnia, and southern Hungary and intermixed and imposed their language. Original Croatian and Bosnian were more similar to Slovene than to Serbian.

>>123544287
I meant that we'll expect an overall North to South gradient of any element that entered the Balkans from the North relatively recently, even if such areas (say those of the Serbs) show somewhat higher % due to whatever, unless there's a strong founder effect (like with I2a1 in Bosnia).

either way, let's say your theory about the difference of a few % of I1 is right. what about the slight difference for I2a2 in parts of the Balkans? are we really seeing a different influence of a specific say Germanic group or just a bit of luck?

>>123544586
Monte Negro was actually never proven to be inhabited by Serbs.

The Byzantine records spoke about Zahumlji,Pagania being inhabited by Sebs,but only says Duclea is ruled by a Serbian prince.
Not that it was actually inhabited by Serbs.

And since as we all know the prince who ruled Duclea lost to the prince who ruled Ras the countries got fused.

This resulted in todays Montenegro,which in Western parts has actual Serbs and in the Eastern parts probably Serbinized Balkanites.This also the reason why some Albanian and Serbian clans co-existed in there.

This is also the reason why Monte Negro is 40% I2a and 30 % E1b and also has 10% R1b.Double the amount MAinland Serbs have R1b.

Despite being so Balkanite,Monte negro still has 6% I1(While Slovakia has 6.5%),and even though being most South and having 0 Germanic influence at a higher % then our South Slavic neighbors.

>>123527000
They are called pig countries for a reason

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Duuuuude haplomemes lmao

>>123545166
South Serbia was literally left empty after the Ottoman invasion and inhabited by Albanians plus probs some Vlachs.If i remember correctly there is a Vlach settlement somewhere there.

When the Serbian uprising happened a lot of these Albanians got kicked out(There was even a shit ton of them in Nish( a town for "Bulgarian" restoration kek) .

Obviously some of the stayed and got Serbinized plus the Vlachs is the reason why there is a for Higher E1b.

South Serbia also borders Monte Negro,and there probably migrations from there.

And before you start saying Serbs would never mix with Albanians just watch the video in >>123534490 where Southern Serbs literally take Albanian order Brides.

>42 posts by this ID

WE WUZ HAPLOGROUPS AND SHIIIIET.

And why are people from Serbia dark just like Albos ?

>>123545636
i was reading some thread on forum.hr where some croats claimed that we descended from them, because the earlier chronicles of byzantines never mentioned us only croats, and that serbs appeared in the later ones where the stories of their origin and migrations where the almost same as the croat one, so that term "serb" was actually invented after christianization, so the orthodox tribes of croatian origin carried that name so they could be separated from the catholic ones

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>>123545203
The I2a difference?This probably has to do with Croats being mostly I2a.

However Croats have conquered Panonical Slavs and some Western "Slovenians". Which is why the dialect in that area is still closer to Slovenia(as we know Slovenians have much more R1a than I2a) and that's the main source for Croatian R1b.

Meanwhile isolated Hercegovac Croats literally have 70% I2a(the largest amount).

Bosnians being Croats much after they have conquered those Slavic tribes have both R1a and I2a,but much more I2a then Serbs as they are closer to Hercegovac Croats.

Bosnians also have less E1b and J2 then Croats,believe it or not.

This is probably because bosnians are Muslims and never intermarried with Serbs(who have a lot more E1b and J2) while Croats are Catholic and did intermarry picking up more E1b and J2.

If you are asking about the Sorbs,then they also have their I2a spike,up to 20%,while Poles,who the Sorbs are most genetically close to only have 5%.

>>123546503
Because dinarids are dark.

Why are Serbs 10cm taller then an albo on average?????

Why do you never let Montenegro play with you guys ;-;

>>123547817
not I2a1 but I2a2 which has small differences in the Balkans, like I1 does

>Bosnians also have less E1b and J2 then Croats,believe it or not.

the massive founder effect of I2a1 in Bosnia (however it happened) also potentially reduced everything else though. but looking at eupedia, non-Serbian Bosnians and Croats seem to have similar amounts of E and J, it's Serbs who have more? intermarriage makes sense anyway

>>123547929
depends on the Albanians, older anthropological works noted the they had huge height differences going from Montenegro to South Albania. the Montenegro Ghegs were some of the tallest people in the Balkans while the Tosks were the shortest by quite a bit. nutrition plays an important role in modern times (Albania was much more malnourished overall)

>>123546579
The first mentions of both Croats and Serbs are in the same fucking book,written by a same guy kek.
Maybe the Serbs later on got adressed by their state.

I know for a fact that Magyars callef Serbs, Ras.

Also the Medieval country was always called Ras/Rascia and it was never renamed to Serbia when Ras and Duclea fused despite the claims of our education system.

The country called Serbia was in 1817.

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>>123534702
still not buying it (((merchant)))

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>>123543079
no Dimitrov
what you need is 60% of Macedonia, Skopje included
and we and greece need like 20% each to connect ourselves

>>123548836
I2a1 and I2a2 where the same as I2a1b got renamed to I2a2 in 2008. South Slavs are I2a2,not I2a1,which is found Germanics to a small extent.

I2a1 is only found in North Western Serbia and North Croatia(1-2%).

This is probaly like you said Germanic influence.It is also counted as I2a in Eupedia

>>123551228
Like you could aford it fagg

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>>123551706
retarde prestanie da larpujes sa glupostima

dabogda te nekrotirajuci fascijatis pojeo
mamlaze

>>123551807
(disregard previous post, i've meant this:)
your first answer was directed to >>123549309

>>123552295
Yea ups.

>>123551807
huh? Din is under I2a1 surely?

>>123551706
>>123552173
I see you are losing.

It is nice that you are awere about being retarded.

However self hatred is not good and talking to your self is not either

>>123552705
Yup,formerly known as I2a1b-L-621.

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>>123552905
pogresio sam post
pa...???

sta ces da ucinis povodom toga?
da me prijavis ADL-u?

>>123553082
then what did you mean with
>South Slavs are I2a2, not I2a1
>I2a1 is only found...

did you mean "South Slavs are I2a1, not I2a2" and "I2a2 is only found"?

because that was my point, that I2a2 has similarly small differences in the Balkans like I1 does so coming up with specific theories about why it's a bit more here and a bit less there is a bit too certain when it almost looks like chance

>>123553342
Da,jel to problem?

>>123553786
sta si ti poreklom, jevrej?

>>123553589
I have already posted that the I1 in Serbia is the Scandinavian branch and not some othet random one in one of my previous posts.

Sadly,this specidic detail can be only found on the Serbian DNA site,which is on Serbian.

>>123554257
Nisam zidov debilu,aj sad nastavi da pusis Grcki kurac.

>>123554632
sta su ti grci skrivili?

>>123553589
I meant that aside from Din-S you can also find I2a2 in Serbia and Croatia up to 2%.

>>123554854
Aj citaj malo istoriju pa ces ti prestati da larpujes a ne ja.

Nisu mi nista Grci skrivili ali nisu nam ni prijatelji.

>>123554485
that doesn't change anything about how it got there...we're just talking in circles anyway, partly because you're misunderstanding me, so we'll stop here

>>123527273
Say goodbye to the western third of your country and Kosovo

>>123555260
Yeah,ok.It is late anyway.

>>123527000
>Albania a perfect country

LOOOOL
O
O
O
O
L

>>123528522
No shit, they aren't Yugoslavs

>>123529183
>asking /pol/ to be objective about Albanians

>>123527000
What the fuck is this abomination?

>>123530440
1/4 of Macedonia is Albanians, but 1/3 is Muslim because of Turks/Bosniaks/Muslim Macedonians

>>123556097
Albanians might be approaching 30% by now

>>123535206
Most Balkan peoples have dark hair. I'm E1b1b but the paternal side of my family is lighter haired.
Haplogroups are pretty meaningless anyway when it comes to physical characteristics.

>>123530318
>Dingling
Excuse me?

>>123555220
moraces nazad ustaso

>>123552649
lol

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>>123555260
dude he's either a croat or a bozgor living in serbia and larping as serbian
do not listen
he is full of shit

>>123541047
That's dumb, why do you think conversion happened in select regions and others mostly weren't touched? Politics in certain regions against the inhabitants' control determined if they would convert or not.

>>123527000
Take out 80% of Albania, all of Bosnia and Kosovo, and we're cool.
>>123537767
That's what it historically was.

>>123557350
well I agree with at least some of the things he writes about genetics. his connecting those to history is definitely much less certain and arguable. and his personal views on Serbian identity and Serbian relations are his own, of course

>>123557374
sorry, we don't want to join the new Yugoslavia either if possible

>>123556493
Their birthrates have slowed a lot in the past decades though, so it shouldn't get much higher. I think Albanian women in Macedonia have 0.2 more kids than Macedonian women.