What the World Rejected: Hitler's Peace Offers 1933-193

>"pls no bully" - Gaydolf Shitler, 1933
lol

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>>113044197

>What the World Rejected: Hitler's Peace Offers 1933-1939 [Published in 1940 by the Washington Journal]
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/nothanks/wwr00.html

>Hitler speech on peace and alliance with England
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWGBJBwfxac

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>>113044843
>Churchill's War by David Irving
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLloM6ufVgk

>Churchill was financed during the "wilderness years" between 1930 and 1939 by a slush fund emanating from a secret pressure group known as the Focus. The Focus was financed by a slush fund set up by some of London's wealthiest businessmen -- principally, businessmen organized by the Board of Jewish Deputies in England, whose chairman was a man called Sir Bernard Waley Cohen. Further details of Churchill's financing by the Czechs, as well as the facts of Churchill's financial rescue by a wealthy banker of Austro-Jewish origins, Sir Henry Strakosch. When Churchill was bankrupted overnight in the American stock market crash of 1937-1938, it was Strakosch who was instrumental in setting up the central banks of South Africa and India, who bought up all Churchill's debts.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p498_okeefe.html

>From 1800 to 1947, the House of (((Sassoon))) controlled most of the trade within India: banking, trading, shipping, insurance etc., from their Mumbai headquarters.
>But the House of (((Sassoon)))’s handled the trading in opium and other goods in India. House of (((Openheimers)))/Rhodes handled the gold and diamond mining business. The American operations were handled by the House of Rockefellers, (((Seagrams))), (((Sassoons))), (((Japhets))), Jardine-Mathesons etc. The Houses of (((Rothschilds))) and (((Warburgs))) coordinated the banking aspect of this trade.
http://greatgameindia.com/controller-houses-east-india-company-eic-series-part-iv/

>>113044197
Now that's inconvenient truth to some
And there's a ton more evidence where that came from
unlike some fallacious claims involving WW2

>>113044197
>dude you invaded half of Europe! This is your last warning: invade Poland and there will be war
>invades Poland
>whaaaa ze joos are plotting against ze German nation! Judea declared war on us! Who could have foretold this?!?!

>bump for justice

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>>113045247
>complains about Germany invading Prussia
>literally has an empire that covers a quarter of the earth
>completely ignores the fact that the USSR also invaded Poland and allies with them and lets them occupy Poland for the next 45 years
Really makes you think.

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>>113044197
The most amazing thing in life has been the discovery that the truth is hidden in plain sight, obscured primarily by the desire of the world not to look at it, to protect their comfortable illusions.

>>113044197

God bless Saint Adolph, the greatest man of the 20th century.

I cannot believe there's people here claiming to be redpilled that seriously think Hitler was a peaceful guy who wanted to avoid war

>>113044197
"Peace" offers.

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>>113044419
Did a giggle.

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>>113045247
>England spends ten years lobbying Poland to help them start a war with Germany
>Poland finally agrees, *rubs hands*
>Germany offer anti-soviet German-Polish alliance
>Says: we'll build a Polish autobahn, and defend you if Stalin invades
>Poland: no fuck you England is our friend! *attacks Geliwitz*
>Germany: this means war, faggots!
>England: dude you invaded half of Europe! This is your last warning: invade Poland and there will be war
It must suck to be bluepilled from birth; every Pole on this board has a head full of Soviet propaganda, and sounds like a Jew. Entire nation of cucks.

www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/History/polandbetrayal.htm
jane-griffiths-my-book.blogspot.com/2013_03_01_archive.html

>>113046048
>>completely ignores the fact that the USSR also invaded Poland and allies with them and lets them occupy Poland for the next 45 years

We didnt let them occupy Poland without resistance.
It was called the cold war jackass.

>>113046492
>what is Generalplan Ost

"I hope every German west of the Rhine River and wherever we attack, will be destroyed." - R.F. Keeling

Winston Churchill: "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)


"Germany becomes to powerful. We have to crush it." - Winston Churchill (November 1936 to US-General Robert E. Wood)


"Germanys unforgivable crime before WW2 was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an own exchange system from which the world-finance couldnt profit anymore. ...We butchered the wrong pig." - Winston Churchill, The Second World War (Book by Winston Churchill, Bern, 1960) [Amazon]


"The war wasnt only about abolishing fascism, but to conquer sales markets. We could have, if we had intended so, prevented this war from breaking out without doing one shot, but we didn't want to." - Winston Churchill to Truman (Fultun, USA March 1946)


"Should Germany merchandise again in the next 50 years we have led this war (WW1) in vain." - Winston Churchill in Times (1919)


"This war is an English war and its goal is the destruction of Germany." - Winston Churchill (Autumn 1939 broadcast)

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>>113046643
>"The war wasnt only about abolishing fascism, but to conquer sales markets. We could have, if we had intended so, prevented this war from breaking out without doing one shot, but we didn't want to." - Winston Churchill to Truman (Fultun, USA March 1946)

fucking masonry man, when will be the they that they dissapear? they are fucking my country since de spanish empire

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>>113046622
>what is Generalplan Ost
A myth like "mastubation machines", "holocoasters", and everything else at Nuremberg. The only evidence is the testimony of a single clerk. But I bet you believe in giant electrocution chambers, and rows of electric chairs that killed 10,000 jews a day too.

>>113046857
>a myth

When in doubt, claim it's a myth. Typical stormweenie bullshit. Get Dresdened, fagatron.

>>113046921
>When in doubt, claim it's a myth
When you have no evidence, claim it's true. That's you. That's how you sound.

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>>113046921
Not an argument

>>113046622
Entirely fiction. Wikipedia even admits that there is nor original document about it.


>Nearly all the wartime documentation on Generalplan Ost was deliberately destroyed shortly before Germany's defeat in May 1945.[2][3] Thus, no copies of the plan were found after the war among the documents in German archives. Apart from Ehlich's testimony, there are several documents which refer to this plan or are supplements to it.

According to Heinrich Himmler the re-Germanization of Posen/Warthe and Danzig/Westpr. (Corridor), thus the 2 recovered provinces bordering Poland, would be a task for 2 generations. In reality Germans from all over Eastern Europe, Ukraine were resettled already during the war westward into these "Neugewonnene Ostgebiete" -Gaus at the expanse of the Poles, who in return was resettled East into the GG-Poland.

Seriously, where would these German settlers that were supposed to settle in the East stem from? Even under Hitler the birthrate was still too low, and Germans themself prefer to move to Italy or where it is warm, there is no drive to move to the East. East-Prussia had the reputation of being a the "German Siberia" for teachers and administrators who had done deeds, relocation to East-Prussia as a disciplinary measure was legendary since the Kaiser time.

There would have been no voluntary German settlers, not to speak of the millions the "Generalplan Ost"-fantasy talks of.

>>113044197
Trump wants to "be friends" with Russia just like Hitler did but the only difference (so far) is that Hitler ended up killing 6 million jews

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The English made a pact with the devil and his chosen people, the Jews.

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>>113047050
Literally "rollercoasters beneath the gas chambers that launched people into ovens" tier.

>>113046847
>when will be the they that they
Wat

>>113047005
>>113047018
I'm so glad Trump won so that four years from now people will look back at the shit you guys post here in the same way we look at fedora posters now.

You think you're part of some far-right zeitgeist and that history is about to vindicate the man who ruined Europe but in reality you're a fucking joke. Get off my internet webzone.

>>113046643
>every quote from Churchill is from before he was in power
>Churchill was completely right about Germany being a warmongering nation of fags 4 years before the war started
Really makes you think

>>113044419
the best post here

>>113047188
Yids always were good at comedy.

>>113047286
This thread is about Adolf Hitler, not about Trump.

>>113046857
>A screencap of a guy's post on Discord

Excellent historical evidence you've got there.

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>>113047286
>some bullshit about Trump
>I don't have evidence for my myths, so everyone who disagrees is a stormweenie
>some shit about Trump
>long string of incoherent adhoms
>look ma, my poo has corn in it
What kind of delusion makes you think we care about your feels, faggot?

>>113047340
>every quote from Churchill is from before he was in power
He spent a decade making deals with Lord Halifax to create war between Germany and Poland, it's well documented
>inb4 adhoms
All the brit-kikes are awake I guess

>>113047425
what's the difference?

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>>113046133
>Which of these men was the "war monger?"
>Pictures a bunch of cherry-picked quotes

>Conveniently leaves out which one declared war on eight countries in two years

>>113047050
>Seriously, where would these German settlers that were supposed to settle in the East stem from? Even under Hitler the birthrate was still too low, and Germans themself prefer to move to Italy or where it is warm, there is no drive to move to the East. East-Prussia had the reputation of being a the "German Siberia" for teachers and administrators who had done deeds, relocation to East-Prussia as a disciplinary measure was legendary since the Kaiser time.

Germany won WW1 in the east against Russia. They gained a huge chunk of land from the communists they helped get into power. But they lost ww1 and those gains were not realized. Ww2 was an attempt to regain their past glory.

>>113047501
>Complains about my "lack of evidence"
>none exists for Le Generalplan Ost
no discrepancy there

But didn't hitler break most of the deals the League of Nations and many European countries made with him? Not a libtard or a kike, I'm genuinely curious

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>>113047573
>muh cherry picking
All the quotes are true. Choke on it.

>>113047425
I'm just saying, man, his election marks the end of all this. Some people haven't gotten the memo yet and are essentially the equivalent of those kids who were still protesting Scientology in Guy Fawkes masks up to 2014. This will become increasingly apparent over the next year or two.

>>113047532
>He spent a decade making deals with Lord Halifax to create war between Germany and Poland, it's well documented

Any source for that buddy?

>>113047537
If you mean that as an actual question, you're a little short on historic knowledge.

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>>113044197

WE WANT PEACE N SHIEET - Shitler.

>>113046857
It's actually totally ridiculous how nazis deny historical facts that contradict their illusionary views while believing in stories like "50kk+ victims of bolshevism/stalinism, holodomor etc.

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>>113047141
>by Richard Spence

Imagine unironically believing in national socialism in the current year. How autistic do you have to be? lamo

>>113047798
Is that an argument?

According to /pol/ Germany needed the war to survive
According to /pol/ Germany also didn't want war and dindu nuffin

huh wonders which is true

>>113047188
i can remember we got stories like that told back then in school, hahaha like someone believed this shit
"then mengele cut out the living fetus of his mother and gave it a bath in acid in order to create an aryian"
i kid you not, the teachers back then told the children bullshit stories like those

gas the fucking kikes already

>>113047756
yesterday trump told a jewish person to "sit down" during a press conference

hitler told jewish people to "sit down" on trains that carried them to death camps

>>113047626
Hitler thought everyone else to be weak willed. They werent. He lost.

>>113047708
>All the quotes are true

You know what cherry-picking means, right?

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>>113047050
How about this? I've heard that Hitler's table talks translation in English are biased and inaccurate, can anyone confirm that this is a correct translation?

http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres10/HTableTalk.pdf

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>>113047626
>didn't hitler break most of the deals the League of Nations and many European countries made with him?
Like the Treaty of Locarno?
>no that was France
>Like the French-Soviet German Containment Pact
>France again
Like failing to meet disarmament quotas for Versaille?
>no that was Britain
Like starving and dehydrating POWs at Rhine-Meadows?
>no that was the US
Like attacking Germany at Gleiwitz?
>no that was Poland


>>113047752
>Any source for that buddy?
Any chance you fags bother to read the thread?3rd time posting this

www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/History/polandbetrayal.htm
jane-griffiths-my-book.blogspot.com/2013_03_01_archive.html

>>113047920
Germany didnt want war but jews dragged it into the war.

>>113048025
Please stop trying to derail this thread with Trump.
Secondly, trump tells a lot of people to sit down once they annoy him. (univision for exmp)

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>>113048051
>You know what cherry-picking means, right?
It's what people say when they're handed uncomfortable facts, and don't actually have any context to cite to show how the quotes and misleading or unfair. Churchill made numerous quotes like he was trying to impress the room with how vicious he was.

JIDF shitting up the thread. kek

>>113048202
that's because Trump is racist towards mexicans like Hitler would've been

>>113048025
im a #cruzemissle now

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>>113048105
>I've heard that Hitler's table talks translation in English are biased and inaccurate

>>113044197
>invades 3 countries with flimsy justification
>invades another 8 without any justification at all
>DAT DARN CHURCHILL WHAT A WARMONGER

>>113046492
>unironically believing the Nazi false flag attack on the radio station was Polish

>>113047883
CURRENT YEAR LMAO
YOUR AUTISTIC LAMAO

this is your argument

>>113046857
Hitler mentions 'lebensraum' and a thrust Eastward more than a dozen times in mein kampf you retard. But yeah, I'm sure you're right, the fanatical Hitler definitely wouldn't act on his beliefs, right?

>>113048677
>LMAO

canadians arguments...

just leaf

>>113048677
grats on the reading comprehension there "kamerad" hahahah

utter state of you lot

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>>113047833
>Russian flag
>muh holodmor
What's really funny is that Event A might be true, but is the same category of even as Event B or C, and then someone claims:
>if you deny B and C, then A must also be false
I can kill person A, but not kill person B or C, and that fact doesn't mean I couldn't have killed person A, does it, genius?

For example, the Germans were charged at Nuremberg with the Katyn massacre. It was "historical fact" for 50 years, then the Soviet Union collapsed, and opened their archives. Surprise, surprise, look what came out of them:

https://youtu.be/Geu0R4xGAi4

>>113048347
No, I think that reporter of univision was genuinely being rude, and I don't I would have to remind you all Trump's children are married to Jews. That's not something Hitler would do.

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>>113048506
>muh christfaggotry
Goebbels and Speer talked about that already.

>>113048774
>Hitler mentions 'lebensraum' and a thrust Eastward more than a dozen times in mein kampf you retard
Yet, none of you actually read Mein Kampf, or ever quote it so we can see how you twist it. Show me the Chapter and Volume?

'Lebensraum' is often intentionally exaggerated by those wanting to push the fractal "Hitler planned to exterminate all races" meme. The actual meaning of Lebensraum referred to the security of the German borders, and the need to provide living space so that Germans aren't threatened by outside forces. To claim that "living space" meant solely "to exterminate and re-populate more land than there would have been Germans to inhabit, for several generations after the war" is absurd, and contradicts the policies of "Germanization" that were ACTUALLY PRACTICED by the Germans regarding their Slavic allies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ra-ChcOiuU

Hitler didn't consider Russians subhuman. He considered them inferior. Because in terms of living, they were. Seriously, look at the living style of the average Soviet, then compare them to a German in 1930, they were, by all accounts inferior. He even talks about how some Russians of the old rich class were Germanic. There were multiple reasons for the invasion of the Soviet Union, for example:
>1. To gain the necessary resources to fuel a long time war, something that Germany was severely lacking.
>2. To prevent the inevitable invasion of Europe by the Soviet Union. If you gonna start a war, it's best to have the first strike.
>3. To disband the Bolshevik and Jewish regime in the Soviet Union, something Hitler knew would be a threat to Germany.

True, the Germans would've gained land from defeating the Soviets and would certainly have sent its citizens into this newfound land, just like the allies did to German clay they gained after WW1 and WW2. The Germans wouldn't have exterminated Russians. They simply would have governed them.

>>113048866
just pointing out your lack of arguments.

>>113048864
look at
>>113047883

>>113048506
That is what I was talking about, the translation of Genoud is wrong, not the whole ting.

>>113049209
I'm getting like 5 replies per minute, this thread is intense. All the JIDF on the board at once? What's going on in here? But anyway, yeah the Genoud translations are fabricated. Hard to tell what else is accurate.

>>113048879
You didnt get me.

You always claim that there are no proofs regarding crimes and atrocities commited by nazis but at the same time, as I already said, believe in ridiculous stories about soviet crimes which have no evidence at all. But you just want to believe in these due to absence of rational thinking.

>>113047573
>declared war on eight countries

When did either country do this?

>>113048106
>www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/History/polandbetrayal.htm
Doesn´t even mention Churchil, nor a "decade making deals to create war between Germany and Poland".
>jane-griffiths-my-book.blogspot.com/2013_03_01_archive.html
...You do know blogs aren't reliable sources, right?

>It's what people say when they're handed uncomfortable facts, and don't actually have any context to cite to show how the quotes and misleading or unfair.
No, it means taking quotes that suit your narrative and stripping them of context and/or ignoring quotes that claim otherwise.

For example, ignoring the fact that Churchill fought against Germany in WWI, and that Hitler had repeatedly stated he would rip up the peace treaty that ended said war, as well as spending 3/4ths of the government budget on the military by 1935, the year before any of these quotes were said (the one about the Kurds being the exception.)


Also, claiming the quote in your picture entails enthusiasm despite the fact that Churchill explicitly states in the book that he thought the war was horrible.

>>113049325
If you actually read what it says, it's different from Generalplan Ost and it's not too bad. He talks about how Crimea is rightful German clay, not the whole Russia.

>>113049325
Thread is probably intense because people here want truth be told, and then ofc JIDF coming in buttmad.

>>113049156
>Seriously, look at the living style of the average Soviet, then compare them to a German in 1930
>get rekt by germans in ww1
>try to actually make things better this time
>things start getting better by 1940
>fucking germans invade again

>>113049156
>>1. To gain the necessary resources to fuel a long time war, something that Germany was severely lacking.
This wouldnt have been needed if Hitler didnt invade Poland.

>>2. To prevent the inevitable invasion of Europe by the Soviet Union. If you gonna start a war, it's best to have the first strike.
Its best not to strike first because if you do you will loose your moral high ground. Also it makes certain what isnt certain...the future is never certain.

>>113049625
Jezus, everyone is after our little peninsula it seems. Shoo, shoo!

>>113049518
1st September, 1939: Hitler declares war on Poland
9th of April, 1940: Hitler declares war on Denmark and Norway
10th of May: Hitler declares war on Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands
April 6th, 1941: Hitler declares war on Yugoslavia and Greece
June 22nd, 1941: Hitler declares war on the
Soviet Union

Is American education this bad?

>>113044419
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>>113047573
>checks flags
All (((allied))) countries

>>113050129
>non country with a waffle instead of flag

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>>113049830
>inevitable invasion of Europe by the Soviet Union.
It's a myth. Stalin actually stopped this world revolution bullshit and disposed of jews like Trotsky that planned to use Russia as expendable firewood for it. Faggots from Comintern were arrested during great purge and whole organization abolished by 1943. It was one of the reasons for his popularity and rise to power, nobody wanted a new fucking war after civil war.

>>113050100
Read objective history for once and not something written by jews. 50% chance youre baiting but you clearly dont know enough to have an opinion

>>113044197
Oh woe is me, I didn't mean to invade Poland.
Oh woe is me, I didn't mean to invade France
Oh woe is me, I didn't mean to invade Russia.

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then just as suddenly, all the replies stop...
>>113049510
OOPS! Spoke too soon.
>You didnt get me.
Get you what? I didn't understand you? You said that I'm inconsistent for denying the 20 gorillion figures, or denying German atrocities, but I'm always talking about the Holodmor. But I didn't mention the Holodmor, you did. So I mentioned Katyn, and the false narrative of German guilt that covered Soviet guilt.
>You always claim that there are no proofs
Now you want to talk about what I always claim, like we're old friends. You're just having a conversation with the last person that disagreed with you, nothing you're saying applies to me. I haven't made such claims.

>>113049567
>Doesn´t even mention Churchil
No, it doesn't, does it. The second link does: its a book review, I posted the title here before you asked: >>113047532

>>113049791
>that doesnt count
>we wuz good, Soviet good and stronk
>Soviet = Russian pride
>You insult Russia if you insult Stalin
>I can't possibly separate the two, I was taught Stalin is sacred father figure of my people
Well done. Clap, clap. Try to think for yourself at least once before you die.

>>113049830
Your formatting fucked up, I hope I'm replying to your actual comments:
>This wouldnt have been needed if Hitler didnt invade Poland.
Poland attacked first at Gleiwitz, and we now know Stalin had diverted almost all resources to armament production so he could invade Germany, starting back in 1939. The Germans discovered this during Barbarossa. Entire towns had been turned into "production Gulags" for tank production. This also helps explain famines like the Holodmor (that triggers the fuck out of Russians even today, good little patriots). They couldn't comprehend the amount of output, but it all fits together once you understand the scale of production Stalin had achieved. Hitler mentions it in his Mannerheim recordings, and Suvarov verifies in his book (pic related)

(skip to 13:45)
https://youtu.be/l85RvOvtMsw?t=13m45s

>>113050320
>Read objective history for once and not something written by jews.
See >>113050263

And what do you disagree with in my list?

not allowed to be watched in germany.

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>>113050534
>its a book review

So much for "well-documented"

>>113050810
>So much for "well-documented"
Its a reference you twat. You think I exist to copy paste entire books for you? Find the fucking book it mentions you lazy tard. I've read it, you have no excuse. I told what to find.

>>113046492
France and England didn't want war. We even proposed a preventive war against Germany somewhere in 1935, and they refused.

>>113050534
>I was taught Stalin is sacred father figure
Actually our capitalist overlords teach us commies were ebil and we should accept being poor as such is natural order of things and goys should not try to change it or question where rich got their wealth from.
But yeah, tell me about my country

>>113044197
>rob the bank
>"ok tell the police I'll stop now, let's be friends"

>>113050627
mirror
https://youtu.be/UZYiuWoIMxE?t=1m

>>113050534
>But I didn't mention the Holodmor
Nigga, by you I mean nazis on 4chan in general. It's been a thoudand times when nazis came up with such stories about bolshevism while going mad if someone mentions german atrocities (esp. Holocaust, it turns them into hysteric retards).

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>>113050534
Not a JIDF shill, but could you give me a quick run down on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and why it was signed?

>>113048515
The casus belli was recovering rightful german clay you shitlord.

>>113051039
>France and England didn't want war
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Go home, you're drunk.

>>113051073
>Actually our capitalist overlords teach us commies were ebil
Then why the fuck do Russians and Poles so consistently pretend to be Jews and drone on about "MUH 200 GORILLION" all day? Why are you always so assmad about anything that paints the Soviet union in a negative light? Anything at all is met with sperg rage, every fucking time. Its like Eastern Europeans are congenitally incapable of criticizing their own governments or past governments. You think I worship my own? Jesus. Like fucking ants.

>>113050100
Everything other than Poland was for strategic reason against Brits and French.

>>113050534
>vitor suvorov
that guy is considered to be a freak by all serious historians in Russia; no sane person takes him seriosly.

>>113051142
not available either.

>>113051381
Actually not everything, Greece and yugoslavia was because of commies and Italy, Soviets also because of commies.

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>>113051224
>could you give me a quick run down on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and why it was signed?
Hitler tried Poland first, but Beck had taken the opposite attitude as Pilsudski had. If Hitler had become chancellor slightly earlier, Pulsudki would have endorsed the German-Polish anti-comintern pact, and together faced Stalin. But Churchil and Halifax courted Beck successfully, even during the talks with Germany, and derailed them. The Pact you mention wa realpolitik to buy time on both sides, for Stalin: to build arms, for Hitler, to have a more ideal moment to invade the USSR.

>>113051447
>that guy is considered to be a freak
Not an argument, he was a successful intelligence analyst before defecting, with many honors. Defectors are generally persona non grata after the fact. It shouldn't stop you from reading the book and trying to debunk his claims yourself.

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OY VEY

>>113051294
No we didn't, otherwise we would have modernized our armies before any conflict.

Germany was the only one to have a modernized one, Hitler wanted war while he still had an edge over all his ennemies.

>>113050968
Yeah I know, but one book isn't a lot of evidence. Surely, it must have sources of its own for a decade of planning?

>>113051644
>No we didn't
The Franco-Soviet German Containment pact, and your abrogation of the treaty of Locarno say otherwise.

>>113044419
Kek'd, but you're still a cunt.

>>113051574
>The jew got jewed

>>113051294
If they wanted war so badly, why didn't they do it five years before '39? Germany would have to fight on two fronts, without navy, before they rebuilt an army, and any diplomatic consequences would be smoothed out. You'd have to be a retard to want war and not declare it there and then.

>>113051254
>Norway
>rightful GERMan clay

>>113051686
>Yeah I know, but one book isn't a lot of evidence.
It could be one pamphlet, if the sources it uses are primary sources, its the best there can be. Stop making excuses and read the book, unless you're too cowardly to challenge your assumptive framework.

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>>113051381
>Germany invaded the USSR for strategic reasons against the Brits and French

And "strategic reasons" are a pretty shit reason to invade neutral nations.

>>113051254
>Okay Germany, we just kicked your ass. We will stop kicking your ass and won't destroy your cities if you promise not to do this list of things.
>Okay, we promise
>And you understand we are going to kick your ass again if you break your promise?
>Yes.

Hitler:
>What's this list? A list of things for me to do? Let's start doing all of them in order.

>>113051294
>Why are you always so assmad about anything that paints the Soviet union in a negative light?
Because it's always aimed against modern russians at the end. I don't know why but it is. Hurr pay reparations, apologize, acknowledge your ebil deeds, accept NATO expansion as rightful thing because other people afraid you. Oh and you never did anything positive in 1918-1991 too admit it and pay for it too!
Fuck that.

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>>113044197
The Allies were a mistake

>>113051854
>If they wanted war so badly, why didn't they do it five years before '39?
Good question. Churchill tried for ten full years before he found Beck. That was his lucky strike.

>>113051867
>Stop making excuses and read the book

I don´t own it lad. By the time I can get my hands on a copy this thread will be dead. I might do it later, but for now I can only look up internet sources. So I'm asking you politely: does your book list any sources I can look at?

>>113051568
>he was a successful intelligence analyst before defecting, with many honors
Not an argument also. He was an analyst but not a historian.

He was born in 1947 so he couldnt know real Stalin's intentions so his books are just tales for those who want to believe in them.

Debunking his claims is like trying to debunk IS propaganda, for example. Would you bother to debunk some religious fanatics?

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The Gleiwitz “False Flag” Incident is Pure Fiction

https://carolynyeager.net/gleiwitz-%E2%80%9Cfalse-flag%E2%80%9D-incident-pure-fiction

The only “evidence” for the Gleiwitz radio station attack as a Nazis operation consists of the uncorroborated "confession" (signed statement) in 1945 of a German SS officer, Alfred Naujocks, who was then in the hands of the Allies

>>113051941
>Because it's always aimed against modern Russians at the end.
Not that I've ever heard of, but I guess that explains your reaction. Modern Russians weren't alive then, no one was. Its as pointless as abusing modern Germans for that time period too. The point being, none of us should be living under the tyranny of lies. All our countries lied, and committed atrocities. The modern world order is predicated on those lies, and its an atrocity in itself. None of us are free until we escape it.

>>113052090
>I don´t own it lad
Well that's not my fucking problem, is it? Do you want me to feed you and wipe your ass? Go fucking find a copy, its not going to cost you much. Jesus, the instant gratification millennial crowd is gay af.

>>113051467
>>113051574
mirror
https://vimeo.com/204546307

Anyone who talks about WW2 without intimate knowledge of WW1 and it's aftermath, both internally in Germany, and the wider IR sphere should probably just shut up and fuck off back to shitposting in NatSoc generals.

Hitler invaded shit and then asked for peace like a bitch when he realized he'd bitten over more than he could chew.
You people are ridiculous.

>>113051893
see >>113051530
If Brits didn't declare war, there would have been no reasons or invasions of named Germanic countries.

>>113051780
they had to pay their debts.

pacts are only for protections against future threats.

>21 posts by this ID

degenerate.

As said in my previous post
>>113051644
which totally prove my point and expose your total ignorance.

Now I don't expect you to suddenly accept the truth, deluded people like you just don't care about the truth.

>>113050557
At first I did not even want to reply becuase seeing from your other posts youre too lazy to do your own research and want things spoonfed. But ill give you an example:

Imagine youre the prime minister of your country and its 1935, your countries politicians made you lose a world war that was not yet lost but because other countries teamed up on you knowing youre the strongest country in europe, cheated by asking help to america (who made billions from germanys economical crisis) and then your people is being slaughtered by the thousands by the polish. You give them a few chances to stop and they dont. What do you do?
Let your people die like a cuck or fight back because youre a man of values, stength and honor?

>>113051980
So you want to tell me that they wanted this war for full ten years, and for that they needed Poland's help? They spent these ten years not modernizing their forces and strengthening the Maginot Line, waiting for the support of a country that's been existing for ten years?

>>113046133
>Which one of these men was the "war monger"?
The one that invaded Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, France, and Russia

>make peace offer
>invade surrounding area anyway

>>113052401

this. Peace to hitler was getting whatever he wanted

>>113052149
>Not an argument also. He was an analyst but not a historian.
SO your argument from authority is? Mainstream academics dislike him, so he's shit? I've read hundreds of shit books that won awards, by famous authors. I trust a trained intelligence officer's historical and methodological approach over most university hacks. But that's me. It shouldn't stop you from evaluating the book on your own. I did, that's how you find redpills, you read things you aren't sure of and subject them to scrutiny. Its a well documented and reasoned book.

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>>113052442
>cheated by asking help to america

>Cheating
>In war

Jesus christ.

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>>113052511
>the man who started the war wasn't the warmonger, the one who kicked the ass of the men who started it was
Well done lol

>>113044197
>What do you mean you won't give us every piece of land we might ever want without a fight?!? You evil warmongers!!!

Please follow Hitler's example and kill yourself.

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>>113052738
>follow Hitler's example and kill yourself.
you first

>>113052401
It could hardly be called a world war until france and britain declared it on germany

Poland and the other annexed nations were still recovering from the GD and practically welcomed effective prosperous nazi rule

>>113051780

He still has a point, though. Britain especially had a weaker and smaller military than both France & Germany, let alone a military geared for fullscale war.

>>113052477
>and for that they needed Poland's help?
Well, they used Poland as an excuse, and then abandoned you to your fate to "keep their powder dry". But you're fine with that.

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>>113044419
>Anglo
enjoy living a zionist ruled world filled with shitskins

>>113052560
The problem with his works is what they all are based on his own thoughts, guesses and assumptions. He, for example, claims that Stalin was going to attack Germany in 1941, but there is no evidence at all supporting this point of view.
So that's not about just mainstream academics disliking him,.

>>113052909
Britain + France + Poland is what we're actually talking about, not any of them individually. And they thought they had it in the bag. Beck joked with Churchill that they'd "be in Berlin in two weeks time". Oopsie.

>>113052947
This

The allies never cared about or helped poland

They used them as a european pearl harbor/911

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>>113052254
>Getting this mad over an argument on /pol/
I just asked if your book had sources man, Jesus Christ
>>113052421
There was still no reason to invade Denmark, except to make it easier to invade Norway, which had still not done anything to warrant invasion.
>>113052442
>and then your people is being slaughtered by the thousands by the polish.
[citation needed]
>What do you do?
Build an air force against the rules of Versailles, demand a plebiscite in the Saar and send troops into the Rheinland?

>>113051644
>No we didn't, otherwise we would have modernized our armies before any conflict.

More precisely, if England and France had any hostile intentions towards Germany whatsoever, there would be no conflict to speak of. Rolling in as soon as Hitler tried to make one step beyond the terms of Versailles, overrunning the joke army Germany was allowed to have, and doing whatever you want to the country would have been trivial.

Just as it is happening today, you've ruined Europe by being nice to your none-too-subtle mortal enemies.

>>113052635
Let me rephrase it simpler for you

Cheated by giving palestine to the rothschild who then created israel (balfout declaration)

Look up americas and uk's military aid to israel. Look up why jfk had to die

(((Coincidence)))

>>113053030
>The problem with his works is what they all are based on his own thoughts, guesses and assumptions.
The book is full of very specific documents referenced, dates, names, events, figures, and his work to get Moscow to release them in full. He succeeded in getting them to release redacted versions of the ones he cites in the book. Its an ongoing issue, like many others. Like Katyn and th NKVD for example.

>>113053030
Stalin was a communist monster that was ramping up military production to full force levels and conscipting millions of soldiers

You think they weren't going to use that communist horde?

>>113053223
>Getting this mad over an argument on /pol/
Did you notice I'm carrying on 5 separate discussions, rapid-fire, not just with you, while you whine helplessly about the inconvenience of not being handed a stack of the proofs you demand. Fuck off.

>>113052729
>the man who started the war wasn't the warmonger, the one who kicked the ass of the men who started it was

>the man who started the war
Hitler, the one who invaded Poland

>the one who kicked the ass of the men who started it was
Churchill, who whipped Britain into shape and retook North Africa and France with US help

>>113053127

>Britain + France + Poland is what we're actually talking about, not any of them individually

How convenient, it's almost like they thought if Hitler did anything, their combined powers would make up for their military shortcomings.

>>113053127
>Britain + France + Poland

Britain + France did no move a finger to help Poland though. Must be hilarious for them, hey Poland is calling again asking when our offence starts, Warsaw is about to fall? oh tell them it's soon... i wish he'd stop calling us already. Oh he did, nice, back to business as usual.

>>113053290
*balfour

But still, im done replying to all your jew shil

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>>113053418
>while you whine helplessly about the inconvenience of not being handed a stack of the proofs you demand.

And you whine how hard it is to look into the sources at the back of your book because you're typing arguments on /pol/.

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>>113053419
>Hitler, the one who invaded Poland
Gleiwitz.
>Churchill, who whipped Britain into shape and retook North Africa and France with US help
After Hitler let his army escape at Dunkirk, then offered peace 3 times, then went back to war despite the "terror bombing" where Britain targeted civilians, while Hitler fought 5 enemies, including the Soviet union, on all fronts.

Laughable, you lot.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>113053316
>The book is full of very specific documents referenced, dates, names, events, figures

30% of them are outright fucking lies and fabrications. 50% are carefully cut and ripped out of context to provide an impression direct opposite to what a source supposedly cited really said. 20% are added just to give an air of plausibilty.

>>113053718
>>113050263

>>113053316
>and his work to get Moscow to release them in full. He succeeded in getting them to release redacted versions of the ones

Oh yeah, and this is an outright lie too.

>>113053742
>>113053810
Good luck to you all, I have to go to work. Thanks for the workout.

>>113053883
Now suddenly you're an expert on the man you refuse to read?
Shlomo, pls.

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>>113053505
Britain and France did jack shit to help Poland lol

They hid behind the Magnot line and waited for (((Capitalist))) America and (((Communist))) Russia to come in and fuck Germany out of existence

>>113052826

But anon, first I don't know your address to come and cave your skull in, and second, did you just mistook me for a commie, you motherfucking burger retard?

Just read the diaries of Ciano, the minister of foreign affairs of Italy. He describes how Ribbentrop was hellbend on starting the war in early 39 and how Himmler was really down after the Germans were allowed to annex Czechia in 38 because now another casus belli was gone. Also: years of appeasement somehow mean Britain constantly tried to start a war.

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>>113044197
hitler wuz a gud boi

dindu nuffin

>>113053337
>conscipting millions of soldiers
January 1938 - Red army is 1,6kk
February 1939 - Red army is 3,3kk strong

Yeah, he did after USSR got a border with fucking 3rd Reich in 1939. How aggressive of him, totally unnecessary measure.

>>113053968
>Now suddenly you're an expert on the man you refuse to read?

Hey, Cletus, when you outright lie in public, you need to make that just a little bit plausible, instead of typing the first accusation that comes to your excuse of a mind.

>>113053337
Perfect arguments.
>>113053316
>The book is full of very specific documents referenced, dates, names, events, figures
Of course it is, but using real documents he comes up with his interpretation of history which isnt actually based on anything.

>>113053804
>Gleiwitz
>"The Gleiwitz incident (German: Überfall auf den Sender Gleiwitz; Polish: Prowokacja gliwicka) was a false flag operation by Nazi forces posing as Poles on 31 August 1939, against the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz, Upper Silesia, Germany (since 1945: Gliwice, Poland) on the eve of World War II in Europe. The goal was to use the staged attack as a pretext for invading Poland."

>After Hitler let his army escape at Dunkirk
Which is why he tried so hard to sink all those ships at Dunkirk
>then offered peace 3 times
While demanding Britain abandon two of its most important allies.
>then went back to war despite the "terror bombing" where Britain targeted civilians
[citation needed]
>while Hitler fought 5 enemies
The Five being the USSR, the US, and who? Because with the UK, that only makes three, and Germany had its share of allies as well.

>What the fuck is wrong with you?
I have this weird disorder where i tend to look at facts rather than swallowing whatever narrative allows me to be contrarian towards my shitty American education of WW2,

>>113054210
Britain couldnt force its people to declare war that early

Popular opinion was still heavily anti war because or WW1 memories

Come on, even in holocaust museum visiting american schools they taught us that the allied leaders had a big problem convincing their people to go to wae

>>113053223
Going against the treaty of versailles and sending troops to the ruhr/rheinland is the same as war. And you would let your people die in poland so that makes you a weak leader and a man of no strength or character. Just like many of our european politicians nowadays.

You keep saying my jews argument is not an argument but its clear you dont know as much as I do.

Keep on defending jewry, jew boy

>>113053907
Nice debating with you anon, see you next thread. I'll try to have that book by then.

>>113053804
>>113053804
You think Hitler offered peace because he was just such a nice guy or something?
There are military realities underlying these actions, like the fact that Hitler knew he couldn't successfully invade England.

>>113054640
He didnt start sinking ships at dunkirk for days

>>113054640
Are you quoting wikipedia? Such an honest and totally not subjective source

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>>113054750
>Going against the treaty of versailles and sending troops to the ruhr/rheinland is the same as war.
I'm not sure if you're serious and suffer from a large case of cognitive dissonance, or are being sarcastic and just missed the point.

>And you would let your people die in poland
[CITATION NEEDED]

>that makes you a weak leader and a man of no strength or character
>Belgium calling others weak leaders

>You keep saying my jews argument is not an argument but its clear you dont know as much as I do.
>I know so much my only arguments are ad hominems

>>113054785
Hitler wanted peace and a united Europe because he knew ultimately he was going to have to fight the real jewish superpowers: (((The Capitalist USA and The Communist USSR)))

Churchill couldve saved Europe by siding with a unified Europe and fending off the communist hordes while America wouldve attempted a suicide mission trying to invade normandy without british support

Dunkirk thread on this board btw
>>>/tv/

>>113054798
Being late doesn´t mean you meant to be late
>>113055038
I'm quoting the A World At War documentary series, actually. What are you quoting from?

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>>113044197
>>113048984
New thread felow autists.

>>113044197
>What the World Rejected: Hitler's Peace Offers 1933-1939
German Nationalism meant that the (((internationals AKA communists))) could never have globalization are rule over the world.

(((they))) literally wrote a book about steralizing the entire German nation. (((they))) fucking hated germany and (((they))) had hands in every major government at that time

>>113055088
>My country is who i am as an individual

It doesnt matter what I say, keep on believing (((their))) side of the story

>>113053223
>there was no reason
>gives a reason
thanks for debunking yoursel
For what reason did brits cuck you Icepotatoniggers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iceland

>>113055180
Pretty ironic that he ended up making them greater superpowers than they'd ever been.

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>this content is unavailable in your country

>>113055746
>there was no reason except one
>Point out how it wasn´t a good reason
>American education

>>113054054

>Russian
>Not a commie

Pick one, devushka.

>>113055835
>https://vimeo.com/204546307

>>113056191
That's really nice of yours, thanks.

>>113054785
>You think Hitler offered peace because he was just such a nice guy or something?
Yes.

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>>113055881
>is arguing with me about strategic invasions
>there was no reason to invade other than strategic invasions
>exactly what I'm arguing for
>keeps defending cucker of his country

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>hey now I'm the reasonable guy here, I'm asking you to ignore all the military treaties you signed and let me invade whoever I want so this doesnt get out of hand

>>113055623
Links to those? Please. Even the names would be fine.

>>113056342
>implying strategic invasions to support a not-really-strategic invasion is a good reason to start an invasion

>>113056526
>implying startegic invasion of denmark wasn't strategic to invading norway which was strategic location against strategic war with British

>>113044419
Are you with the BBC?

>>113056191
Danku voor het delen

>>113056745
>Norway was a strategic location against the British
>Implying invading sovereign nations for a simple strategic advantage isn´t warmongering isn't warmongering

>>113054744

It wouldn't have made a difference if the Germans attacked Czechoslovakia or Poland, in both cases the Brits could have said "Germany invaded our ally, it's war". Hell, they didn't even bother using diplomatic pressure because of all those violated treaties like Germany rearming, reintroducing conscription or sending troops into the Rhineland. There would have been a lot of ways to stir up shit and start a war but the allies didn't use those opportunities. In '39 they even asked the Italians if they could manage to calm down Hitler.

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>>113057144
>implying it wasnt
>implying I am claiming that he was not a warmonger and not just giving some context

>>113057266
>if the Germans attacked Czechoslovakia

But the Germans did annex Czechoslovakia

>>113047410
I

>muh ayran mustard face

>>113052947
You're still missing the point. You'd have to assume that everyone in England and France were retards who wanted the war so much that they did absolutely nothing to win it for ten years until three months after the provocation they wanted to happen and made happen. With this kind of logic you're probably one of those people who are also firmly convinced SU was never planning a war against Germany.

>>113057432
>implying it wasn't
It wasn't stopping shipments in any way, and ore could stilll be shipped through the Baltic
>implying I am claiming that he was not a warmonger and not just giving some context
Sorry, I must've misunderstood then.

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>>113058041
I'm not talking about ore. see 1st and 3rd reasons

>>113044197
>oy vey the British made the Polish make us want to invade them so they could declare war against us
did I get the gist of it right?

>>113046492
>*attacks Geliwitz*
stop reading right here

>>113044197
>nazi germany is literally the bullied kid that gets a gun and starts a school shooting

>>113044197
>This content isn't available in your country

REEE! I hate germany.

>>113059938
Censorship like in Nazi Germany. Enjoy.

>>113059938
>>113056191

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>>113054640
>I'm losing the debate. What can I do?
>Oh wait, I know
>The Gleiwitz incident was a false flag
>Haha, I win by simply claiming everything was a false flag.

>>113060812
>False flags are only genuine when they fit my narrative

>>113059938

Get a VPN nigger