Zenit is Back, Tovaritches.

>>3136589
Пoшeл нa хyй.

>>3136589
Please use the A7S sensor, please use the A7S sensor, please, please, please, please.

I could use one of those at 1000 bucks. RAW files will be so small. Perfect for snapshits.
Nice versatility for night time which my main isn't good at.
Also, please have a super short flange so I can adapt my other manual lenses. This is important...
Also please use a huge fucking battery. Thanks.

>>3136600
>battery
>implying it won't be selenium-powered

>We [...] consider the option of industrial cooperation, since competence on the component base in the country is currently absent.
That pretty much means Sony, because I heavily doubt Zenith is interested in the 6Dm2 sensor.

>KMZ is involved in manufacturing infrastructure for the production of optics for these cameras. And electronics will be manufactured abroad.
I'm not sure if this also means they will purchase processing chips like Bionz X as well. It might.

It's tough for a new restarted company to create their own image processing microchips.

>>3136600
A used Sony A7S is already around $1000 give or take like $200.

>>3136612
I'm thinking in terms of what's already on the market.
36MP FF sensor already have Nikon, Pentax, and Sony in the fray.
24MP FF sensor already have Canon, Nikon, Leica, and Sony.

12MP FF so far is just Sony. This is Zenit's best chance to carve a niche that can stand out.
It just needs to offer something the A7S doesn't offer. Whether it's pricing, or larger battery, or larger full size grip, or complete weather proof, etc.
It will be easy to find some spots where the A7S is weak at, and improve there.

>>3136589
>sonyfags switch to slavshit since most of them adopt vintage lenses anyway

I'm ready

>>3136627
Imagine if Zenit joined E-mount though... It would be wonderful. It would become the m4/3 standard for Full Frame.

They are already halfway there, since they have E-mount lenses in the pipeline.

>>3136589
KMZ cannot produce modern cameras, so 10bux says it's either vaporware or a Zenit-branded chink camera. Enjoy your full frame Yi M1.

>>3136645
They are outsourcing the electronics to someone else. So they only have to deal with the shell, the grip, the dials, the battery, the lens, etc.

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>>3136649
>they only have to deal with the shell, the grip, the dials

Oh, that's even worse considering their track record.

>>3136600
Based fucking Zenit. Please do this and exactly this.

Maybe I will finally retire my 5Dionsaur.

KMZ made Zorki too, not just Zenit. Maybe its going to be a Rangefinder style.

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>>3136589
okay, but what lens mount???

m? m39? e?

have they actually started selling those lenses they demo'd last year?

a digital zorki would be cool

>>3136656
>e?
Yes please. I don't want a new lens mount. That would be uphill battle for Zenit.

E-mount should turn into a FF alliance between Sony/Olympus/Zenit, it would be the best news since forever.

>>3136656
>tfw sold my 4K
Don’t make me reret it Anon

Also screen cap this it’ll be a digital M42 screw mount with a new range of bokelicious Helios glass.

>>3136656
>Digital Zorki
a M10 ripoff would be cool

In few months comes 100 year since communist revolt.

There is Zopkuu 4 50 years edition of 1967. Him I having already.

Now wait for 2017.

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>>3136658
They should use the M39 SLR screw mount from the 50s to fuck with hipsters.

>>3136912
>>3136658
They already confirmed it will be a mirrorless body. Plus they are already designing lenses for E-mount.

So there is a little chance the body might be E-mount.

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>>3136589

>inb4 licensed e-mount camera

>>3136916
I don't think they will choose that route though. The article said "It will be modernized, but the characteristic contours, ergonomics, camera lines will be integrated into it".

So the body shell is designed by them. But the sensor is obviously purchased.

>>3136914
Both distance of 39 screw mount works on E-Mount so all is needed is an adapter.

I'm actually exited about this.
Haven't been exited for a camera since the GR.

>>3136917

So it will be an a7 in a fuji style body?

I'd buy it.

>>3136925
I hope not. That kind of grip isn't big enough for me.

>>3136628
It is going to be e-mount, sony made it an open format a couple of years back, which is the only reason companies like zenit can try to make their own bodies.

It's gonna basically be a ruski fuji a7, 24mp sensor, proper dials, retro aesthetic, evf only, lack of frills. The only real downside rn is that android is the most likely platform, which is slow, bloated and takes an age to start up.

>>3136928
>24mp sensor
Better not be this piece of shit.
Give us the 12mp one or fuck off.

>>3136937
Bro, it's still a good sensor with decent AF. Especially if the camera is at a cheap price.

I agree with the 12MP one though. It's a great sensor that will work well with adapted old lenses.

>>3136928

It being an open format is also the only reason you get all these autofocus adapters for e-mount.

There are also rumors of Olympus releasing an e-mount body. They patented a few e-mount lens designs a year or two back.

>>3136928

>android is bloated and takes an age to start up

You should give a second gen a7 a shot. Outside of the initial boot after a batery change and a few oddball lenses, the a7 boot time is almost instant.

>>3136928
Wish they'd do open source firmware on it. Magic lantern squared, even android can be made good. I can deal with russian "no frills" better than chinese "no frills", i.e. fed/zorki/kiev88 vs. the xiaomi mirrorless thing.

What's Zenit / KMZ the company these days anyway? How come the brand is coming up in the blogs now?

>>3136977
Looking at their website, they and some other similar companies have been merged into a holding called Schwabe, specializing in optics and electronics which currently produces holographic sights for guns, medical equipment, microscopes, binos, nvgs, rangefinders and so on. Some of those who appreciate Zenitar and Helios lenses probably already know, they still produce a few of those, e.g. Zenitar 16 2.8.

>>3136955
Sony use a quasi-android approach, with 99% of camera functions done on separate HW/SW, they use android for apps and remote use and shit, hence why all the apps take a fucking age to open.

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>>3136977
>How come the brand is coming up in the blogs now?
After a decade of lying very low, they recently re-released a few of their most successful designs (including the hipster favorite Helios-40), as well as a couple new ones.

>>3137098
>tfw will never be rich and reckless enough to buy a 40-2

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There is 1 way cheap way they can get an amazing advantage over regular E-mount.
Create a modified E-mount with built-in Shifting effect.

Every lens whether they are native or adapted will now have Shifting capability.

>>3137126
Unless the draw circle is too small. So, no. Too many 135 lenses vignette to begin with.

>>3136589
Neat. ET was my first camera, followed by TTL, and then the "pro" 19, before I stopped being a poorfag and got a Nikon. I hope it won't be plastic shit though but built like a tank like the originals.

>>3136605
This nigga knows where it's at.

>>3136981
>>3137098
I see. Guess optics manufacturers don't exactly ever go entirely out of business, there's always some niches they can utilize for a decade or two. Are these lenses out yet, as in, are there youtube reviews and stuff like that? Honestly, a Russian f/1.5 sounds like nasty outlined bokeh wide open and sharp around f/4 to f/5.6 -- i.e. like those "classic" rangefinder lenses.

>>3137098
I like that the box looks left over from 1992. It's even sun faded and creased.

Probably they just scanned an old box and printed it, creases and all.

>>3137127
I guess it's not viable for Zenit, since they don't plan to make any APS-C bodies.

Though I heard about certain Nikkor lenses being useful for FF Tilt Shift due to their huge image circle.

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>>3136816

>mfw uses glorious m39 LTM

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>>3137320
Honestly nothing would make me happier.

>>3136589
blyat

>>3136600
>not wanting phase detect af.
haha

>>3136607
>not using panasonic processors
enjoy your overheats.

>>3137372
It simply depends on how much they charge for them I guess.

The newest Bionz X has an amazing buffer for still images.

>>3136589

I really hope it is e-mount.

If it is it's own special snowflake mount, it will never catch on. I don't wanna wait 10 years for the mount to fill out.

If it is an old screw mount, it will have some popularity with hipsters, but will never become popular either.

E-mount is the best option, it will have a well developed lens line along with whatever it launches with (which will probably be some pretty cool classic styled lenses).

>E-mount
Sonycucks, no.
M42 forever!

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>>3137398
Well some of us just see the cleverness in making the latest Zenit lenses to work with new Zenit body.

If the body isn't E-mount, the lens won't work on it...

>>3137126
That's dumb as shit, makes much more sense to just use 5 axis ibis for t/s movements.

>>3137394
It is e mount, this is confirmed.

>>3137398
M42 is one worse than m43 tho.

>>3137402

E-mount with bundled M42 adapter is the way to go.

They could even go techart pro style and include some fancy autofocus.

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>>3137394
>I really hope it is e-mount.
They have an E-mount lens already. It honestly be silly to port the glass into a new mount, just to isolate yourself.

>>3137405
>makes much more sense to just use 5 axis ibis for t/s movements.
For Shifting, it's more expensive to make a camera with IBIS. Keep in mind their goal is to make profit, and stay at a price point just above the expensive smartphones. That about 1000 dollars.
A mechanical shifting that isn't IBIS based is much more affordable.

For Tilting, you're right, IBIS would make the most sense. But it's still too expensive.

>>3137407

They are also making Canon and Nikon lenses.

Though they did say a partnership with a big manufactuerer. Of the three big ones, only Sony has a fullframe mirrorless system. Canon doesn't partner with anyone. I doubt Nikon would either.

>>3137406
>tfw native screw mount and in-body diaphragm autofocus for vintage glass
Truly the camera of my dreams

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>>3137420
>>3137406
>Screw mount in this day an age.
Move on guys. E-mount is top modern technology.

Fast enough bandwidth for 2 motors driving separate focus groups.
Lens firmware update.
Lens buttons programmable from the body.
Lens data correction on-chip inside lens applicable to jpegs in the body.
OSS coordination with IBIS.

>>3137422
Does it have swirleh bokeh though?
I think not.

>>3137408
>ibis is too big $
Lmfao
Bom for ibis is about $30.
Sensors and micro motors are cheap af thanks to phones.

>>3137433
I'm not sure about this. If you want IBIS that can shift -10 +10 in both Axis, it's going to be very big, and very large.

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>>3137139
Photography was always a side business for Soviet/Russian optics manufacturers, their bread and butter is military shit.

>Are these lenses out yet, as in, are there youtube reviews and stuff like that?
They've been out for a while, you can google samples. Unsurprisingly, the new Helios-40-2 is exactly the same as the old Soviet one, the only difference is that it's now available in F and EF mounts natively.

> nasty outlined bokeh wide open and sharp around f/4 to f/5.6
The bokeh is actually fairly decent. Helios-40-2 is very soft, but has a characteristic "swirly" bokeh that made it so desirable for bokeh whores all over the world (but also ironically was one of the reasons why Zeiss dropped Biotar decades ago). The new Zenitar 50/1.2 and 85/1.4 have less swirly bokeh and are sharper, but still a far cry from Sigma Art and such. I suspect that they're not actually new designs, but unreleased Soviet ones they dug up from the archives.

>>3137429
This

The way I see this "new Zorki" shaking out is: Zorki/Leica style body, thicker than the film bodies but still rounded on the sides; not chunky like X-pro. Basic cellphone touchscreen on rear; menu system operated with touchscreen and "back/menu" button. Control layout is aperture ring, shutter speed dial, EC dial, two-stage threaded shutter release w/ on/off collar, lens release, EVF, playback button, trash button, back/menu button. One configurable fn button for backbutton autofocus. RAW capture, auto white balance, auto ISO (or menu only), basic b&w film simulation in firmware (besides sony's default stuff), batteries interchangeable with NEX series. E-mount w/ adapters to LTM and m42 in the box. No IBIS, focal plane shutter will be loud and its movement barely compensated for.

More likely it won't have an EVF or an EC wheel despite seeking comparison with Leica. There may be a built-in flash.

Besides clinical details, what points of character would be expected of an east bloc revival camera, to make it distinct from de/jp/cn stuff? Lack of design emphasis on body weight or modern fighter jet super car polycarbonate shell? User serviceability? Tested to work in Siberia? Ethanol fuel cell grip?

>>3137449
Oh yeah. The jupiter-3 also loses most of its wide-open aberrations if stopped down just a touch, like to f/1.8 or f/2. Any number of manufacturers have questionable performance wide open; in this regard ex-USSR stuff is very adequate.

>>3137542

I'd love to see an evf only camera with no screen. Just a black/white led one showing basic settings on the back.

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>>3137406

>E-mount with m42/m39 adapter

I won't drop my Df for one but if they make it look like a Zorki 4 or some variant of Soviet RF and give it manual dials like the Df I might just grab one as a sidearm.

Soviet propaganda is always relevant in these threads

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>>3137542

Most of your USSR stuff pre-1970 is actually pretty decent, back when they had something to prove against Capitalism. Some of the earliest stuff from the 40s and 50s had German elements in it. I have been away from it for a while building my Nikon system but secretly, I want to build a Soviet system now that I can afford all of the exotic m39 glass like the Orion and Russar. Of all the 35mm cams I shot the FED-2 was the most fun.

>>3137544
It's not worth it - you save a couple millimeters of thickness, but make image review and sorting difficult. Plus, articulated screens are really nice for overhead or low shots.

>>3137542
>Any number of manufacturers have questionable performance wide open; in this regard ex-USSR stuff is very adequate.

It's adequate up to the late 70s at most. The quality of Japanese lenses steadily went up, especially with the advent of CAD, while the Soviets mostly kept producing 50s-60s stuff, with slipping quality control, up to the very end (this isn't exclusive to photography, same shit happened to most consumer tech)

>>3137575
Absolutely. The east bloc did miss the boat on CAD and particularly the use of aspherical elements, post-1975 multicoating and/or glass dopants. General soviet decline aside, we'd do well to always separate classic and modern glass in discussions like this; mainly because outside the extremes, anything with asph + mc > anything without.

>>3137548
The fed 2 was good enough to expect consistent results with. Every frame a pleasant surprise. But building a soviet system the long way around is silly because it's all anti-gear for those people who don't want to use plastic lenses anyway.

Wish I had that 35mm lens that goes too far into the camera to be compatible w/ autoexposure LTM/M-mount bodies, though. Just for shits and giggles.

>>3137544
>leica monochrom
>costs more than the model with a screen
>must use colour filters on lens again

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>>3136589
It is time once again, Comeraden.

>“This is a very high demand product,” said company director Vasily Brovko. “We want to make it a luxury device, analogous to the Leica.”

If it's not a tier 2 digital rangefinder this ain't shit and has no reason to exist. Better be like a proper RF X Pro

>>3137896
zenit never made rangefinder. they'll probably end up making a classic SLR that happens to have a digital sensor. that would be pretty luxurious

>>3137899
Zenit is the model, KMZ are the manufacturers. And they made loads of rangefinders. I wouldn’t be too surprised if they put out a rangefinder under the Zenit brand just because it’s much more recognisable than Zorki.

>>3137899
Lol I dunno, what is the Zorki series?
Hell, the original Zenit was literally just a Zorki rangefinder with a mirror box. It kept the same body, levers and buttons, and even the same M39 mount (though the FFD changed due to the mirror, leading to a lot of confusion about lens compatibility)

>>3137150
My sides

>>3137449
>tfw no Zenit 50mm .95 yet

kill me

>>3137405
IBIS systems have like a couple of mm of "free" movement in each direction, not quite enough if you want to use it for shift purposes in real-world scenarios.

>>3138542
Pentax cameras can do that, but the movement is so short that I don't think I've ever seen anyone use it.

>>3136589
>re-badged A7 classic
It will be shit